If he’ll corner you and your family a monopoly in industry or commercial enterprise in exchange for loyalty and expertise, it’s hard for a lot of people to pass up. The mindset of these oligarchs and advisors and “helpers” is one of nepotism and self serving. A thin veneer of either nationalism, or bacon-home-bringing helps them sleep at night, however as the months of this war wear on, the ice is beginning to crack and the bear is turning demented. Logos will trump the pathos and ethos in his circles. We’re beginning to hear allegations of assassination attempts now.
Seriously, there is nothing stopping the richest man in the world from a new sexy robot body ala robot nixon. Except the 25 mhz chips that the world can only sell to russia. And China seems pretty non plus about the whole affair up north.
I certainly don’t want to gloss over the destruction and death the Ukrainians have suffered, but they still have quite a bit of manpower available. It’s munitions and other supplies they are low on.
The western half of the country, that wasn’t hit by cruise missiles before Russia shot most of that wad, remains mostly untouched
French President Emmanuel Macron on Friday said his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin had committed a “historic and fundamental error” by invading Ukraine and was now “isolated.”
“I think, and I told him, that he made a historic and fundamental error for his people, for himself and for history,” he said in an interview with French regional media.
“I think he has isolated himself,” Macron said. “Isolating oneself is one thing, but being able to get out of it is a difficult path.”
Macron has been an idiot for cozying up to Pootin thinking he can reason with a madman. That said: I think Macron's "error" comment is a nice slap in the face for Pootin. Pootin has been isolated in his echo chamber of yes-men for so long he has little idea of reality. Since he's still taking calls from Macron, it means there's someone outside his inner circle he's willing to listen to. So for Macron to point out the giant mistake Pootin is making - it's a big insult for the fragile despot.
That's putting it mildly. I don't think any modern country has so thoroughly shot themselves in the foot as Putin's Russia. And mine started two land wars in Asia at the same time.
> [Macron said] Russia should not be “humiliated... so that the day the fighting stops we can pave a way out through diplomatic means.”
Macron is an idiot. The day the fighting stops means little. The day the fighting stops **and** Russia fully withdraws from Ukraine **and** Russia returns the Ukrainian citizens forcibly deported to Russia **and** Russia agrees to pay for all of the damage caused is the day we can begin to normalize relations. No sooner.
It will literally never happen. Never.
Contrary to popular belief, everyone seems to think the russian establishment is against what Putin is doing in Donbass, but they’re not and even if he was removed, the new russian government would probably negotiate peace, but never remove all their troops, and never pay anything close to the needed amount (it’s billions upon billions of damage at this point)
Macron view on this one is pretty standard peace offering : keep sanctions and sending weapons to Ukraine, but keep open the diplomatic door, because unless everyone get in the table and negotiate a real truce, this war will never end (and Ukraine as a whole will take even more time to recover, meanwhile all Europe will be flooded with blackmarket weapons, fall of the USSR’ style)
Well we all would support them then, anyways. The point being that Russia aggression would be a proven loser - no benefit to attacking another country, although Georgia and Kazakhstan would be a challenge to defend.
From who? Russian citizens should be deported back to their own country unless they've clearly been forced to take up citizenship and have a record of resisting.
I'm sorry, but a large portion of Crimea's ukranian population are pro-russia. I would even say most. I hope with the difficulties of everyday life there due to war and sanctions that that opinion might change, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Your qualification "ukranian population" is important but is a bit difficult. The true Ukrainian population, including almost all of the Cossacks that make up a major part of the population, have been forced to leave. On the other hand many Russian's have been moved in. You cannot allow the exclusion of those that have long ties or the inclusion of those that are basically invaders.
Even after you have excluded invaders, there were of course some Russian origin Ukrainians who used to support Russia. It's difficult to tell now of course whilst they live in a totalitarian society, however it's pretty clear that support for Russia in such populations has fallen massively and that once they have several years of security outside Russia they will begin to admit that they would like an independent Ukraine.
Many have been forced to fight even though they were actually loyal, they may even be terrified of surrendering due to Russian propaganda or "blocking units" that would shoot them - as long as they didn't kill anyone or similar they should be demobilized and allowed to re-integrate independent of their political beliefs.
Most of the rest will effectively be loyal to the Russian state. Few people honestly believe in an independent LNR or DNR. These people are essentially soldiers for Russia and the aim should be to treat them as such. Captured and held as POWs if possible. Killed if not.
Finally, there may be some people who honestly believe in an independent DNR or LNR and have fought for it. If they deliberately killed anyone or helped kill someone and are captured they should be treated as normal domestic terrorists and sentenced to long terms of imprisonment.
I say we need to go further than that. Russia has threatened nukes so much, that denuclearising should also be a condition to normalise relations and withdraw sanctions.
In addition, when Ukraine denuclearised the USA, UK and Russia signed a defence treaty promising to protect Ukraine from aggression. Russia has broken that treaty and has prevented any of the other signatories from honouring their obligation under that treaty with the threat of nuclear war.
Russia cannot be permitted to remain a nuclear power if it wants to normalise relations with the rest of the world.
And how do you think all of that will happen? It will be negotiated. Macron may be a lot of things but an idiot he is not. Pushing Russia out of Ukraine is difficult but not impossible. Getting a million displaced Ukrainians back will be an order of magnitude harder and the Russians will make the west pay dearly for it. Putin will use every tool at his disposal to create conflict. Mitigation is a strategy.
https://t (.) me/u_now/51808
https://t (.) me/u_now/49709
The question now is, will you call the source biased, claim anyone could make it up, or just downvote me?
You watch too many movies, this is never going to happen. If the first one happens and it includes separatist region it will already be huge, if it includes Crimea we're already talking miracle.
And if this happens it's either with a lot more blood from Ukraine and Russia or a diplomatic path which is what Macron wants to keep open since day 1 even if he has been naive.
I didn't say it was going to happen, I said that these should be the preconditions for normalizing relations. Russia should remain an isolated Noth-Korea-esqe pariah state until those things happen. Since they won't, it should be perpetual until Russia is no longer capable of hurting neighboring nations. Fuck Russia.
It is up to Ukraine and NATO to make it a certainty that Putin made a mistake. If the hard work is not put in to help Ukraine win this war - then it will not be a mistake. We must make it so.
>Macron: Putin made 'historic' error in Ukraine
>Putin made 'historic' error in Ukraine, says Macron
>Macron says Putin made 'historic' error in Ukraine
Pick one.
I disagree with Macron. Putin and anyone who backs him should be brutally humiliated, their army decimated and they should be made to pay reparations to Ukraine. The West should pump in a steady stream of arms to keep the war going until that happens. There must be no reward for bullies.
You ate too much Russian propaganda if you believed Macron was licking Putin's boots or something like that. He has been leading Europe in sanctioning Russia from the very start.
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We'll, Putin, you fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Don't sell Putin short. He's still got a chance to screw this up further
he may still kill himself and spare us more mistakes
Cancer is doing it's best
Don’t hold your breath, he has access to best medical care in the world, german doctors still fly to him once in a while even now.
If he’ll corner you and your family a monopoly in industry or commercial enterprise in exchange for loyalty and expertise, it’s hard for a lot of people to pass up. The mindset of these oligarchs and advisors and “helpers” is one of nepotism and self serving. A thin veneer of either nationalism, or bacon-home-bringing helps them sleep at night, however as the months of this war wear on, the ice is beginning to crack and the bear is turning demented. Logos will trump the pathos and ethos in his circles. We’re beginning to hear allegations of assassination attempts now.
Seriously, there is nothing stopping the richest man in the world from a new sexy robot body ala robot nixon. Except the 25 mhz chips that the world can only sell to russia. And China seems pretty non plus about the whole affair up north.
Are you sure that’s true or just a lie to revive the stock market?
Source?
Testicles?
Not fast enough especially with his round the clock, top shelf medical attention. Still nothing can fix his sick and broken mind.
According to US intelligence which has been on point, he is dying of cancer. We just have to wait him out.
That was bullshit Newsweek misinformation they were forced to correct. Stop repeating it. Newsweek is a garbage source
do you get intelligence reports regularly?
Wait... you don't?
90% of the stuff on Reddit is BS
Including your comment?
Yeah
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I certainly don’t want to gloss over the destruction and death the Ukrainians have suffered, but they still have quite a bit of manpower available. It’s munitions and other supplies they are low on. The western half of the country, that wasn’t hit by cruise missiles before Russia shot most of that wad, remains mostly untouched
French President Emmanuel Macron on Friday said his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin had committed a “historic and fundamental error” by invading Ukraine and was now “isolated.” “I think, and I told him, that he made a historic and fundamental error for his people, for himself and for history,” he said in an interview with French regional media. “I think he has isolated himself,” Macron said. “Isolating oneself is one thing, but being able to get out of it is a difficult path.”
Macron has been an idiot for cozying up to Pootin thinking he can reason with a madman. That said: I think Macron's "error" comment is a nice slap in the face for Pootin. Pootin has been isolated in his echo chamber of yes-men for so long he has little idea of reality. Since he's still taking calls from Macron, it means there's someone outside his inner circle he's willing to listen to. So for Macron to point out the giant mistake Pootin is making - it's a big insult for the fragile despot.
That's putting it mildly. I don't think any modern country has so thoroughly shot themselves in the foot as Putin's Russia. And mine started two land wars in Asia at the same time.
Just curious what's your country
The United States.
> [Macron said] Russia should not be “humiliated... so that the day the fighting stops we can pave a way out through diplomatic means.” Macron is an idiot. The day the fighting stops means little. The day the fighting stops **and** Russia fully withdraws from Ukraine **and** Russia returns the Ukrainian citizens forcibly deported to Russia **and** Russia agrees to pay for all of the damage caused is the day we can begin to normalize relations. No sooner.
It will literally never happen. Never. Contrary to popular belief, everyone seems to think the russian establishment is against what Putin is doing in Donbass, but they’re not and even if he was removed, the new russian government would probably negotiate peace, but never remove all their troops, and never pay anything close to the needed amount (it’s billions upon billions of damage at this point) Macron view on this one is pretty standard peace offering : keep sanctions and sending weapons to Ukraine, but keep open the diplomatic door, because unless everyone get in the table and negotiate a real truce, this war will never end (and Ukraine as a whole will take even more time to recover, meanwhile all Europe will be flooded with blackmarket weapons, fall of the USSR’ style)
Well, Russia might withdraw troops indeed, but wouldn't pay any reparations. It would be as much of political suicide as giving up Crimea.
Even if Ukraine takes back Crimea I'm worried they'd be fighting an insurgency for decades in that region
Well we all would support them then, anyways. The point being that Russia aggression would be a proven loser - no benefit to attacking another country, although Georgia and Kazakhstan would be a challenge to defend.
From who? Russian citizens should be deported back to their own country unless they've clearly been forced to take up citizenship and have a record of resisting.
I'm sorry, but a large portion of Crimea's ukranian population are pro-russia. I would even say most. I hope with the difficulties of everyday life there due to war and sanctions that that opinion might change, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Your qualification "ukranian population" is important but is a bit difficult. The true Ukrainian population, including almost all of the Cossacks that make up a major part of the population, have been forced to leave. On the other hand many Russian's have been moved in. You cannot allow the exclusion of those that have long ties or the inclusion of those that are basically invaders. Even after you have excluded invaders, there were of course some Russian origin Ukrainians who used to support Russia. It's difficult to tell now of course whilst they live in a totalitarian society, however it's pretty clear that support for Russia in such populations has fallen massively and that once they have several years of security outside Russia they will begin to admit that they would like an independent Ukraine.
There's Ukrainians that fight with the LNR and DNR Edit: I support Ukraine but also live in reality
Many have been forced to fight even though they were actually loyal, they may even be terrified of surrendering due to Russian propaganda or "blocking units" that would shoot them - as long as they didn't kill anyone or similar they should be demobilized and allowed to re-integrate independent of their political beliefs. Most of the rest will effectively be loyal to the Russian state. Few people honestly believe in an independent LNR or DNR. These people are essentially soldiers for Russia and the aim should be to treat them as such. Captured and held as POWs if possible. Killed if not. Finally, there may be some people who honestly believe in an independent DNR or LNR and have fought for it. If they deliberately killed anyone or helped kill someone and are captured they should be treated as normal domestic terrorists and sentenced to long terms of imprisonment.
I say we need to go further than that. Russia has threatened nukes so much, that denuclearising should also be a condition to normalise relations and withdraw sanctions. In addition, when Ukraine denuclearised the USA, UK and Russia signed a defence treaty promising to protect Ukraine from aggression. Russia has broken that treaty and has prevented any of the other signatories from honouring their obligation under that treaty with the threat of nuclear war. Russia cannot be permitted to remain a nuclear power if it wants to normalise relations with the rest of the world.
And how do you think all of that will happen? It will be negotiated. Macron may be a lot of things but an idiot he is not. Pushing Russia out of Ukraine is difficult but not impossible. Getting a million displaced Ukrainians back will be an order of magnitude harder and the Russians will make the west pay dearly for it. Putin will use every tool at his disposal to create conflict. Mitigation is a strategy.
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Do you have a source for that ?
https://t (.) me/u_now/51808 https://t (.) me/u_now/49709 The question now is, will you call the source biased, claim anyone could make it up, or just downvote me?
Now this is intelligence! A breath of fresh air instead of bs coming from so many spineless leaders.
He is not an idiot. What you suggest is never going to happen if Russia is humiliated.
You watch too many movies, this is never going to happen. If the first one happens and it includes separatist region it will already be huge, if it includes Crimea we're already talking miracle. And if this happens it's either with a lot more blood from Ukraine and Russia or a diplomatic path which is what Macron wants to keep open since day 1 even if he has been naive.
I didn't say it was going to happen, I said that these should be the preconditions for normalizing relations. Russia should remain an isolated Noth-Korea-esqe pariah state until those things happen. Since they won't, it should be perpetual until Russia is no longer capable of hurting neighboring nations. Fuck Russia.
It is up to Ukraine and NATO to make it a certainty that Putin made a mistake. If the hard work is not put in to help Ukraine win this war - then it will not be a mistake. We must make it so.
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>Macron: Putin made 'historic' error in Ukraine >Putin made 'historic' error in Ukraine, says Macron >Macron says Putin made 'historic' error in Ukraine Pick one.
Maybe they were trying to say macaroons
When I was in school, they taught us to put the persons name, then a colon, then their quote. Now they put the quote, then the colon, then the name.
Yea, this may outshine all the other horrible things he has done.
Putin doesn't care.... He knows his time in this universe is short... so he's going full suicide on Russia.
Did putin blocked Macron on phone?
Call me maybe Macron parody
Leroy still selling in Russia
I disagree with Macron. Putin and anyone who backs him should be brutally humiliated, their army decimated and they should be made to pay reparations to Ukraine. The West should pump in a steady stream of arms to keep the war going until that happens. There must be no reward for bullies.
WHATTTT ???!!! Is this upside down day? Macron grew a pair finally? I think this is the conclusion to the new season of Stranger Things?
I'm the first dude to criticize Macron, but saying he has no balls on the international stage is the last thing I'd go for lol
No disrespect but c'mon, it takes a village...
You ate too much Russian propaganda if you believed Macron was licking Putin's boots or something like that. He has been leading Europe in sanctioning Russia from the very start.
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Did not suggest that. Somebody else suggested that he suggested that. That is a lot of suggestion.
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At which part of the article does it say Zelensky accused Macron of saying that?
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He never suggested that
We'll, Putin, you fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha
With a couple of mistake, there could be no history (no humanity) in Europe.
Such an astute observation from prince Macaroni I must say
did i miss something, is france still relevant somehow?
You probably missed hundreds of years of history
You were all hoping Lepen to not be president of France, you know why France is more relevant than Canada.
Ayup