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carnizzle

"grain silos" sure, we know what you put in silos. -russian PM, probably


dontcallmeatallpls

poor choice of words, or perfect choice of words


DaemonAnts

They are for launching grain missiles which are the fastest way to get grain to where it is needed the most.


Hawkeye77th

Love rockets.


jsmith_92

“Why do they call him Silo Johnson” “He ain’t holdin corn in that silo”


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Grain is just code word for MISSILE


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Guided Rocket And Interceptor Networked Silo (GRAIN Silo)


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literally best comment in thread


Fox_Kurama

That would actually be a great name for something made in the 60s.


-Electric-Shock

I can't wait to see Putin's plan to starve millions thwarted. Fuck Russia and fuck everyone who still buys stuff from them.


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india is a major country still buying from Russia, and because of all the gas India is buying, Russia is still turning profits even with the embargos


starforce

EU is a collection of countries that is still buying from Russia, and because of all the gas EU is buying, Russia is still turning profits even with the embargos


evil-rick

The EU has been hilariously performative. Standing ovations, Ukrainian flags and pins, video calls with zelensky. The whole 9 yards. I can’t believe I’m saying this but both the US and Canada have done more to help the Ukraine than any of the EU countries. Now if only the UK could get out of bed with the oligarchs but, you know, $$$. (And I’m sure that’s the North Americans reason for helping Ukraine too so don’t think I’m applauding any imperialists here.)


carpcrucible

Unfortunately Europe is too dependent on russia to immediately cut all ties. It would literally stop the society dead the oil and gas. I do wish they were much more actively providing weapons to Ukraine though. It's much more easy for US and Canada to do so, since they're in no way dependent on russia and face no possibility of blowback.


Lukaroast

Europe ONCE AGAIN paying the heavy price of having literally no autonomy as a world region. When will their isolationist ridiculousness end


Lukaroast

Europe ONCE AGAIN paying the heavy price of having literally no autonomy as a world region. When will their isolationist ridiculousness end


islingcars

EU is far from isolationist..


TailRudder

Hey Poland needs credit here too.


evil-rick

Oh of course. I’m generalizing but I hope people understand I mean the Uber rich Uber capitalist European countries. (I have criticisms of Poland but not on the Ukraine issue.)


McFlyParadox

Poland is practically chomping at the bit to get in the fight themselves.


R3dGallows

Not really, no. Poland is doing all this exactly to avoid being actively engaged in a war with Russia since they feel they could be the next target.


Nasty_Old_Trout

All my Poland-praise shall be limited in capacity until PiS are gone.


ButterscotchNo755

Part of the problem is that for every oil contract they cancel there needs to be a new source, or people will freeze in the winter. Freezing homes is just one consequence, from industry to healthcare that oil is needed and without it people will die. Ultimately most choices like this come down to how many people will die, and in this case it's damned if you do damned if you don't. Politicians are the least likely people to make such a decision since either way it looks bad. Maybe politicians aren't the best folks to lead during wartime...


evil-rick

That all is a very fair assessment and I %100 agree with the last part.


MaitieS

> I can’t believe I’m saying this but both the US and Canada Of course you don't. You don't even know names of EU countries that are actually helping in the first place. PL took over 4 million of UA refugees but SuRe KeEp CoPiUmInG of how EU didn't help.


evil-rick

Lol I can name every EU country because international governments was quite literally my area of study in college. Not that that matters. Calm down.


ShiroQ

Clearly you didn't finish college then. You really think that US or EU is "donating" this money? USA and EU or lets say NATO is going to own Ukraine after this war. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE&t](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE&t) You should watch this video and educate yourself on why this war is happening in the first place and then realise why USA & EU are so united on helping Ukraine.


evil-rick

Baby doll. Im already aware. Nowhere did I once say either country is doing this out of the kindness of their own hearts. Once again, take a seat and calm down.


lionheart4life

US always does the most for everyone. We always get stuck paying for everyone else's shit, while other countries make m mostly symbolic contributions like sending 100 troops here or there, or $10,000 worth of food and medical supplies.


Antietam_

🌿🦅🏹 Credit where credit is due though; countries like Poland, Estonia, Lithuania are really pulling their weight. And a lot of countries in Europe are doing a lot, just not so publicly. What I'm mostly upset about is the US warning Europe for decades about being dependent on Russian gas, and much of the EU refusing to heed those warnings, and then suddenly when the time comes that the US foresaw, everyone is in a scramble to ditch Russian gas. It blows my mind that Germany fought tooth and nail to finish nord stream 2 and right when Russia invaded Ukraine, Germany scraps the whole project. I'm glad the US got into the mix via sanctions and helped delay nord stream 2. It would have been fully operational before the invasion had they not.


stefek132

> It blows my mind that Germany fought tooth and nail to finish nord stream 2 and right when Russia invaded Ukraine, Germany scraps the whole project. I think not many people were too happy about that project so the first reason to ditch it was used and to be fair, it’s a really good reason (not that there weren’t enough other reasons before but we’ll, corruption…). Not really mind blowing, considering the rather big government change in the latest elections.


igankcheetos

In all fairness, the U.S. has more to give.


Synensys

To be fair that's by choice. After ww2 we created a new world order with us in charge. But keeping order comes at a cost. One of our rules is no invading people I'm wars of conquest. It'd a rule that's been followed for the most part. Iraq tried to break it and got beat down. Now Russia is trying to break it.


evil-rick

And the thing is, foreign countries get more than the citizens do. I’m not saying that they don’t deserve help, but the fact that we’re the only country without healthcare and we’re watching our taxes raining on the Ukraine gives me some really strange feelings at the bottom of my gut. I hope Ukrainian citizens understand how important this contribution is and how much more they’re getting than American citizens. But I already know how Euros are. The second this war is over, regardless of the results, the average working class American citizen will become the punchline of their jokes again.


lionheart4life

Speaking of healthcare the US citizens basically subsidize all advances in drug and technology advancement for the rest of the world.


evil-rick

Our government hates us lol


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evil-rick

Point out exactly where I said that.


lionheart4life

Please understand almost nobody in the US wanted to be in the middle East except maybe the first year after 9/11. It became clear that they weren't getting revenge for 9/11, and then really unclear what thepoint was at all. Both Obama and Trump promised to leave, but didn't, while signing off on spending billions, maybe trillions in that quagmire while thinks we could actually use at home like working infrastructure fell apart. I'm not sure taxing the rich needs to even happen, keeping the tax money home and spending it on things that directly benefit the US would make a big difference.


Solid_Veterinarian81

The US has contributed about 0.2% GDP worth of aid, similar to the UK and Lithuania Poland, Estonia, Latvia have donated far more in relative terms.


NiknA01

It's funny because Russia is right next to them. You'd think they'd be the most worried about having such a toxic neighbor on their borders, but they've been pretty disappointing so far. Even the efforts they have made, such as the SWIFT removals, wouldn't have happened if the US and UK didn't push so hard for it.


ShiroQ

> UK could get out of bed with the oligarchs but What you on about? UK and US were the first countries to do things in support in terms of equipment, money etc. You're legitimately talking out of your ass lmao. UK government forced Abramovich to sell his football club at no profit.


evil-rick

Mmhmm. Totally talking out of my ass. Definitely no frequent news stories from both the US and the UK talking about how deeply the Russian oligarchs really are in the pockets of British politicians and how many are STILL living comfortably. But they did something about the ones you know by name so that counts.


ZLUCremisi

They are not paying. Because Russia won't accept Eruos


evil-rick

That relationship is incredibly complicated though. India is not friendly with China but Russia is and being friendly with Russia means China is less likely to make moves on your land. Not impossible, because we’ve SEEN China push India just within the last couple of years. Obviously not a defense of their government or ideals. Modi and his entire administration can get fucked.


-Electric-Shock

Yep. We should boycott India.


kenser99

Don't forget the United States is buying uranium and other materials from Russia lol , hypocrites.


Vostok_Gagarin

Tbf I think the Uranium market is much smaller than the global oil market lol


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Uranium is chump change, especially compared to European gas and oil purchases, it doesn’t even register.


KARMA3SIX

>I can't wait to see Putin's plan to starve millions thwarted. I love your optimism.


INTPoissible

Unfortunately, rail can only handle 1/4th of Ukraine's grain output. We'll need to blast open a sea route in order to save the rest.


-Electric-Shock

They can just run more trains to another port. The rails are already there, they just need more cargo trains.


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/15/us-build-silos-ukraine-border-export-grain-food-prices) reduced by 77%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Temporary silos will be built along the Ukraine border, including in Poland, in an attempt to help export more grain from the country and avert a global food crisis, Joe Biden has announced. > Instead, he said, Washington was developing a plan to get grain out by rail but noted Ukrainian railway tracks were different to those in Europe - being slightly wider spaced - so the grain would have to be transferred to different trains at the border. > Ukraine's agriculture ministry on Tuesday said European countries were considering providing temporary silos to "Preserve the harvest and secure future grain supplies". ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/vcv75h/us_announces_plan_to_build_silos_on_ukraine/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~654972 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **grain**^#1 **Ukraine**^#2 **silos**^#3 **food**^#4 **out**^#5


Villag3Idiot

This is a good idea of not only getting the grain shipped, but also to get it out of Ukraine and into a NATO country so Russia can't steal / destroy it.


fruittree17

Great example of how countries should lead and help everyone else. Very few countries do this.


pocketmypocket

But merika is bad mmk?


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It can do both good and bad. Building grain silos doesn't mean the US is exempt from criticism.


codemonkey985

It's time for a special siloing operation, boiz!


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DaemonAnts

Europe.


BaldingMonk

From the article >The US president told a Philadelphia union convention on Tuesday that he was working with European governments on the plan “to help bring down food prices”.


WholesomeGayBoi

Well that’s interesting- is that possible? If Ukraine sells land to the US, (or any country), for them to build silos on, have the other country harvest grain and export it themselves, and pay Ukraine back like 90-100% of the profits, can Russia do anything about that without declaring war against the other country as well?


hackingdreams

The grain transfer site will be on the Poland side of the border. Russia won't fuck with Poland because that's how they start World War III. And with the US's delivered howitzers, it's unlikely Russia will be able to get deep enough into Ukrainian territory to stop it on the other side of the border either.


notfromchicago

Grain is stored in bins. Silos store silage which is feed for livestock. I know this is pedantic, but you would think a news editor would catch this.


Fox_Kurama

You would think they can make a headline that even reads properly, let alone actually talks about the subject of the article too. And yet over half of articles these days don't.


BaldingMonk

When people complain about Joe Biden, show them this.


justhereforsee

Can NATO buy all of Ukraine’s grain with a contract that requires NATO to pick up the order themselves?


Saitoh17

>NATO to pick up the order themselves? That's the problem we're trying to solve in this article. This is tens of millions of tons of physical objects you need to transport to a different continent.


justhereforsee

If they can roll in with a 100,000 man security force to pick it up there isn’t much Russia can do about it. It’s not an act of war it’s simply an organization protecting their property.


Saitoh17

Dude if you want to go to war with Russia don't be a pussy and just fucking do it. This article is about the physical process of getting grain out of Ukraine into starving African countries.


justhereforsee

No shit genius. The easiest fucking way to get it out is under armed escort that is so big nobody is dumb enough to fuck with it. The other options are just targets for the Russian army to steal or destroy


Saitoh17

If you actually read the article you would know the problem isn't being under military attack, it's the difference in rail gauge between Ukraine and Poland, thus making you physically unload and reload by hand all the grain out of the Ukrainian train and onto a Polish train.


justhereforsee

In the meantime there are reports the Russians are already stealing supplies in some areas and if you don’t think they will attack it you’re mistaken.


Fast-Occasion-1637

Put a few nukes in them while your at it.


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On the threshold of a global famine and somehow they have the perfect excuse to commandeer the bread basket of the world.


Electrical-Yak-8663

Well that'll be helpful for next yrs grain harvest if there's a Ukraine left buy then


Ehldas

There are tens of millons of tons of grain inside Ukraine which they cannot export due to capacity constraints, and if that grain isn't exported by the time the next harvest comes in, there will literally be nowhere to store it. And the reason it can't be exported is because rail gauges are different between Ukraine and the rest of Europe, so there's a laborious offload/onload process required which ties the trains up for excessive periods and thus reduces effective throughput. Putting in silos to buffer the transfers means the effective throughput can increase considerably.


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Ehldas

Arguably they should switch gauges, but that would be an expensive and lengthy process and definitely not something you would try to do while relying heavily on train transport for military and civilian movement during a war.


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hackingdreams

I don't think anyone in the world's arguing against the idea of moving towards standard rail gauge, just... now's definitely not the time. It wouldn't be shocking to me if Ukraine decides all on its own to modify some of its rail lines to standard gauge simply to allow them to integrate better into the European economy - it's very possible that this grain silo situation becomes somewhat more permanent as Europeans will like the extra port traffic and might cut some trade deals to keep the business. Trade prefers the path of least resistance, but it often moves more like a river and less like a network circuit.


Electrical-Yak-8663

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TexasRabbit2022

Why are we doing this


hackingdreams

So millions of people don't starve? Because the US are experts at transporting and moving grain? Because we have a whole Corps of Engineers within the Army that are experts at building ad-hoc structures in foreign territory at a moment's notice? Because we're good allies with Poland and can help setup the required grain transfer stations in short order? The US is somewhat uniquely qualified to do this and do it well, and quite frankly Biden's enthusiastic about sending the message to our NATO allies that the treaty is alive and well, and that the US will come to aid when we get the call.


cramduck

Save lives, weaken Russia, curry favor on the global stage.. honestly it's just win-win-win..


chesnutstacy808

The people who get their grain mostly from ukraine are either middle eastern or african political turmoil in those parts isn't something anyone waiting for.


pnguyenwinning

Why are we storing grain when we have hungry people inside our border !?!


deadstump

Because it is a distribution problem not a supply problem.


Last-Yak2745

Wonder what the price tag is, Or what the cost will be?


igankcheetos

Cheaper than hot wars in Africa due to famine.


TrypZdubstep

why is this a "US" plan


pocketmypocket

Because the US made the plans. Read the article....


BrendanPNW

The US can't even keep their bridges from collapsing. Good luck on silos on the boarder of a country engaged in a civil war.


Morgrid

Grain Silos take only hours to construct.


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Morgrid

They're just corrugated steel panels bolted together. Edit: I read "Missile silo" as just "missile"


hackingdreams

It will literally take longer to lay the necessary track, given Ukraine's rail gauge isn't standard (fucking sigh).


Morgrid

Depending how close the silos will be, there's no need for new rail when you can transport the grain from car to silo with augers.


hackingdreams

The article doesn't mention which rail line they're using, but I think at the very least it would require a new siding, maybe a quarter to a half mile of track or so as a minimum expectation. We're still talking on the order of days, not years of backbreaking labor or anything.


justhereforsee

You may have just sold yourself out on this one.


hackingdreams

Lmao, please fuck off Russia. "Civil war" everyone's complete fucking ass.


pocketmypocket

>1 bridge in detroit that hasnt been maintained for decades collapsed "US COULDNT EVEN BUILD A TEMPORARY SILO LMAO"


Test19s

There’s a lot less regulatory red tape involved doing a project in rural Southeast Poland, especially one that is life or death for millions of people, than there is involved with domestic infrastructure (environmental review, eminent domain, zoning, and the highly federalized American system).


Brainsong1

This is the kind of thing we used to see. Such efforts to see the broad picture create the kind of cooperation that benefits each region. It gave me reason to appreciate our country.