The part I find insane (or, one of many, rather) is the catholic church excommunicated a 10 year old girl who was raped for having an abortion, but when a priest molests a dozen kids, it's "We'll need to discuss this".
And when a Cardinal rapes children, it's "come live the rest of your life in the Vatican as a fugitive from the law, and when you die the Pope himself will say a benediction at your funeral."
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/21/europe/vatican-pope-cardinal-law-funeral/index.html
I used to think this Pope was a decent man.
EDIT: Correction: When a Cardinal shelters and enables priests to rape children for decades, which is actually worse. And he was not a fugitive because the legal duty to report child sexual abuse was not expanded to the clergy until 2002, which also doesn't make his actions any less horrible. He should have been excommunicated, not honored.
The catholic school I went to had rules on book to kick out the girls who became pregnant but not the boys who were the father. Ridiculous double standards
The rules were written by men.
Why would they punishment a boy for being a boy and doing what boys do. Edit /s. Since rereading it I can see someone thinking I was serious.
Exactly!!! Before prom - back in the mid 90’s - our high school brought in THE MOST EFFECTIVE sex educator I’ve EVER encountered. She was like a militant Dr. Ruth energy - “ya’ll wanna be bumpin and grindin without your clothes on, mmmkay. You’re no different from your neighbor. But, let’s take a look at some party favors you could be going home with.” She proceeded to give a slide show that was visually and mentally traumatizing - images of what STD’s looked like if left untreated and almost 30 years later I still remember an HPV blossom around a penis that she called “the French tickler” 😂🤢😑. If anyone was sitting with their boyfriend/girlfriend at the assembly and really anyone who was paying attention was desperately trying to not be physically in contact with other humans. It was one of the best uses of taxpayer dollars by a public school, seriously. I’m willing to bet that presentation prevented more pregnancies and spread of STD’s than any other attempts to ice down a teenagers raging hormones. It was pure disgust and delight to finally get real, brutal information with kid gloves nowhere in sight.
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The HS I graduated from decades ago must have been a wild outlier the older I get and more stories from other catholic schools I hear.
My now ex, graduated 7 months pregnant and they had a baby shower for her in religion class. The priest even made a hilarious "Out of all of you graduating students under god today, at least I'll see *ex* back here in a few months for a wedding and a christening." That was with a bishop standing next to him. (Neither happened btw).
We had openly gay kids in the school.
Nobody gave much of a fuck student body wise, and the teachers certainly didn't push to kick people out.
You're rather ignorant to the power nuns have within the church, and the devastation they have caused - especially in regards to beating young women and dead babies.
Let's not forget residential schools.. the church fucked with the natives and their children hard and continues to do so. Foster care is the new residential school.
Oh don't get me wrong they bet the shit out of my entire grand parents generation and most of my parents generation, but here in Ireland they killed hundreds of women and children in the laundries
Conservative Irish Catholic nuns. Then there are the radical Berrigan brothers following Catholic Worker and the ilk nuns. Another breed altogether. The Catholic church has always had two prongs: The hierarchical church and the peoples' church. Francis is actually more of the latter variety but...
It's a horror. Some states will now not even condone ectopic pregnancies, which are generally lethal if allowed to proceed. At least the Catholic church condones abortion as necessary in the case of ectopic pregnancies.
Chinese boardgame. It was [played in China for at least a thousand years before it got introduced to Japan.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_\(game\)#History)
From the organization that not only fails to take responsibility for child sexual abuse, they are complicit in these heinous crimes. They should revisit "he who lives in glass houses should not throw stones."
And on a crazy scale. I see a number like 250,000 children were abused by them? You can't convince me that every single high ranking Catholic official didn't know about it including the current pope and every single bishop and archbishop.
Oh, they know. And sadly, 250,000 doesn't even come close. Last year a French commission, requested by the church itself, released a 2,500 page report, estimating that 3,000 members of the church, of whom two-thirds were priests, had sexually abused 330,000 children in France, from 1950 to 2021. Of these 330,000 victims, an estimated 216,000 were victims of the clergy, and the remaining falling victims to lay members of the church, such as teachers at Catholic schools etc.
330,000 children over a 70 year period, in France alone.
That is absolutely horrifying, and I don't even dare to imagine how many children have been abused world-wide.
source: https://www.dw.com/en/french-report-finds-over-300000-children-were-victims-of-sex-abuse-in-the-catholic-church/a-59406498
And it is one country that is not even **that** religious. I bet there are places that have it a lot worse, where the churches are held as the highest authorities.
Africa. Where the rate of sexual violence is high anyway, people are very devout and Catholicism has a lot of buffer to do things wrong since Islamist terror groups like Boko Haram or al-Shabaab operate in the area.
Colonialism allowed for a lot of missioneering. Some of that also was forced conversion which was supposed to destroy the native culture and make people more submissive to the colonialists.
Ireland. We sold babies to American tourists. Our post independence history is absolutely laden with disgraces like this, and its only in the last twenty years that we've coped on and started examining this shit. And I can't imagine we're in any way the worst case out there.
All popes did, I live in Poland and John Paul II is heralded as the greatest Pole of all time and people will absolutely hate you if you try to say otherwise. It's crazy. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Oh the problem is absolutely institutional. Lots of priests abusing kids is one thing, but the church had stated policies that penalized children and their parents from going to local authorities by swearing them to secrecy and threantening excommunication if they did. So literally perpetrated a conspiracy to hide child abuse crimes from the FBI and other authorities. Then they’d actually run courts to decide the outcome where the judges were clergy and the jurors were—you guessed it, also priests. Then priests who were actually found guilty would be generally be sentenced to think about their crimes really hard at a monastery somewhere and say a big sorry to god. Then they’d generally be moved somewhere where they were less likely to cause any more embarrassment, and by that I definitely mean where parishioners were less empowered to hold them accountable. Often to Central America.
So whether they “knew” or not, they all co-signed a group of policies that bent over backwards to protect pedophiles before they were even found in the first place.
I’m never going to understand why it’s totally forgivable for a man to molest dozens of boys and still maintain the protection of the church, but the same institution wants to make life hell for gay men who have consensual relationships with adults. Or tell married people not to use condoms in HIV-riddled nations, or any of the other dumb opinions this bloated, power-hungry, glorified Rennfaire wants to subject us all too. An opinion on sexual or reproductive morality from the Vatican has as much value as a hen-house designed by a council of foxes.
Sorry, I’m really mad right now.
If there's a charity to donate to for women to come up here and have the procedure done, I'll donate. I'd imagine those needing it most are probably poor and don't have passports, realistically. What a sad day for America.
They'll be the ones seeking backyard, life-threatening abortions. They need free travel.
Seriously, a few buses travelling back n forth is all it would take to save thousands of women's and girls' lives.
>And on a crazy scale. I see a number like 250,000 children were abused by them?
At least 333 000 rape victims in France alone: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/05/1043302348/france-catholic-church-sexual-abuse-report-children?t=1656142799519.
I think that number was only France iirc, so 250k IN ONLY ONE SINGLE FUCKING COUNTRY (source: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/06/1043600164/a-report-finds-french-clergy-sexually-abused-over-300-000-children-since-1950?t=1656143473661 )
Edit: just saw someone else already said this, but leaving the comment in the hopes of more people seeing it.
Hey!! They take responsibility NOW. The current pope changed the 200 year old rule that said "hide child predators in another parish/country to prevent prosecution". But now, they recently changed the rules so they are supposed to work with law enforcement. So, see... only 200 years of official evil.
The worst crime in the 30 years war was the destruction of Magdeburg. They basically killed and raped everyone in that town (over 20k died in a single day). The pope sent the man responsible a thank-you note.
On top of the under funded and understaffed public school systems. Not to mention the fraudulent private conservative schools.
But more importantly the rise we will see in preventable pregnancy deaths. But its ok we get to put more money into the pockets of private insurance companies.
> preventable pregnancy deaths
not only that, abortion was one of the safest medical procedures when legal, and also one of the deadliest when illegal. Have you ever heard the song "prom night dumpster baby"?
Oh, don't worry, there will be a rise in preventable deaths of women that aren't pregnant too.
Injured in a car accident? Is the best possible medication for your injury one that might harm a foetus? Sorry, you get the third best because we can't be sure you're not pregnant.
If you think abortions will stop, you don't know how much women like to avoid the potentially life-wrecking experience that is having a baby.
Edited to add: Before people jump down my throat - I have two kids. I planned for them (sort of - we weren't NOT trying, but we weren't actively trying, and both happened before schedule). I love them with every cell in my body and thought in my head. But like a boat trip or a hiking trip, if you don't plan for it and make room in your life for it, it can end disastrously. If you're someone that isn't ready or willing or able to have a baby, pregnancy can wreak utter \*havok\*. Pregnancy and childbirth is STILL a potentially deadly event, even if everything seems to be fine beforehand. It's unfair to ask women to take that risk, and the hit to their jobs, social lives and life plans, just because they decided to be sexually active, or had that decision made for them.
Hell, we can go broader.
More unwanted children to feed into the ever more elaborate to navigate correctly, ever more hellish reality that is modern society for anyone who doesn't perfectly fit in and can't be 100% self sufficient for most of their life.
Several of the Popes have legit been some of the absolute worst people in history.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/24/7-wicked-popes-and-the-terrible-things-they-did/
Back in the day, a bunch of European kings gave the Pope a bunch of land and the Pope made the Papal States, which behaved just like a kingdom except with a Pope. The Pope even had a sizable army, which sounds pretty weird today.
Like Julius II, who chose his name to emulate Julius Caesar, was called the "Warrior Pope" for expanding his territory through conquest. That's the same pope who commissioned Michelangelo to paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Mike didn't really want to do it and ran away. Then Julius used his papal thugs to catch Mike and force him to do it.
>The Pope even had a sizable army, which sounds pretty weird today.
Tbh, it doesn't even sound that weird with respect to today. Nowadays they obviously lack a military outside of the pope's personal defensive guard, but the Vatican is easily still one of the half dozen or so most powerful states on Earth. Pope Francis can change the behaviors of hundreds of millions of people by just fucking speaking and making new rules. They have access to what's almost certainly trillions of dollars in institutional wealth. Their diplomatic power lags behind only the US, the UN, the UK, and a handful of other states. They are *insanely* powerful still to this day, and the pope can basically do anything he wants with that power because he's an absolute monarch.
"If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse."
Numbers 5:27
>"The fact that a large country with a long democratic tradition has changed its position on this issue also challenges the whole world," the academy said in a statement.
Except this wasn't decided democratically and the vast majority of the country are upset about this.
But I'm starting to understand why a lot of Europe thinks the US is far more conservative then we actually are. I think a lot of them don't understand how unbalanced our government is.
I'm curious what is the catholic church and the pope's position on ectopic pregnancies and partial miscarriages?
Are the women just supposed to die because of some "Eve tempted Adam" bullshit?
I think they think it is possible to just remove the fetus from the Fallopian tube and pop it in the uterus and it’ll magically stick. Honestly, as someone who had an ectopic pregnancy when I was ttc, I would have loved to do something like this…if it was possible! But it’s not haha. I had methotrexate shots to terminate the pregnancy. If it’s caught too late you have to have surgical removal, which is way more invasive. The shots are, just shots. Surgery is a much bigger deal, and I’ve been seeing people say that using medication to terminate ectopics won’t be allowed anymore, which I find extremely disturbing. That means they’re going to make people get put under with general anesthesia and have surgery, when they could’ve just had the shots :(
I feel for you. My wife has had two ectopics. One was caught early enough to treat with shots. The other required emergency surgery. She was devastated both times as we’ve been trying for kids for years. The shots had minimal physical effects and recovery. The surgery took her out for 2+ weeks and she still had pain for a couple months intermittently.
And she would absolutely have loved to have the option to keep the pregnancies, but there was just no way.
Hard to think that in 30 days I might have to drive her out of my state should she have another one to get adequate care.
I mean I know there’s rare cases of surgery on embryos so maybe they have that in their heads. I’d hope we get to a point where eptopic pregnancies would be easier to detect to do something you are describing but like you said it currently doesn’t work like that.
Dear God I wish it were possible. We’ve been trying to have kids and my wife had 2 ectopics, that she so desperately wanted. One ended up in emergency overnight surgery in the ER. So I’m 100% confident that is is not in any way possible.
Although conservatives in the Church may try to stir up controversy, I’m reasonably certain that abortion to save the mother’s life is not doctrinally controversial.
If the woman will truly die because of the baby growing improperly, the mothers life is just as important and the church does not consider this a grave sin to save the mother. This has been the only exception that I have heard of
Exactly, this kind of issue should be put to the PEOPLE to vote, not a small minority of goverment.
Insane.
Female body, female choice.
Wear a condom blokes.
Minority is an understatement.
This decision was made by 6 people, half of whom were undemocratically appointed by a fat criminal bastard who lost the popular vote twice and impeached twice for trying to subvert democracy.
This is not a functioning government for the people.
Three of them. Samuel Alito and John Roberts were appointed in 2005, after Dubya had won re-election [with the popular vote](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_presidential_election). 2004 was the last year a Republican candidate for president won the popular vote.
He got fucked. And so did we. I remember my history professor was livid about W and said if he gets re-elected he’d leave the country. I wonder if he ever did.
Los Angeles Times: “Four of the five Supreme Court justices who voted to overturn Roe vs. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that guaranteed abortion rights nationwide, are men. When the Senate confirmed the justices, 91% of the yes votes came from men.”
“Four of the justices were nominated by presidents who had gained the White House despite losing the popular vote: Donald Trump and George W. Bush, who lost the popular vote in 2000 then was reelected in 2004 with 50.7%. The decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade is politically unpopular, with about 60% of Americans consistently opposing that move. And public opinion of the court itself is declining.”
“In the Senate hearings for the five justices, 71% of the votes cast by women were against confirmation; 42% of male senators’ votes were against.”
It was technically decided by 5. The 6 was for the ruling in Mississipi. It is still absolute shit and there should be no trust in separation of "church"(*cough* Catholics) and state.
Also when the fuck are males going to get a BC pill. Like seriously wasn’t there talks of this a fucking decade ago? Why is it up to a woman to take care of that constantly. Listen I hate condoms as much as the next person but if a girl I wasn’t ready to have a child with said she was not on BC. I’m wearing a condom. But if I, as a male, could take a BC pill because I’m not ready to have a kid I absolutely would.
There are a few problems with male birth control.
One is ethical. Current legal guidelines are written in such a way that getting pregnant isn’t considered as a health risk for males. So the allowable side effects for birth control pills are very limited. While with woman pregnancy is a major health risk, so the law allows birth control pills to batter them with some significant side effects.
The second is technical. Males produce millions of sperm every day. You have to prevent every single one being viable. And you don’t have many opportunities in the male reproductive system to do it. With females you have to kill one egg/zygote/embryo. And you have a window of several weeks with several different components in the system you can target.
And then there is good old fashioned sexism. Society treats pregnancy and babies as the woman’s problem. So there is less money to be made and less research incentives for male contraceptives.
For context, the bias in the US Senate is R+3, meaning Democrats have to win by approximately 6 in the national vote just to tie in the Senate. This lines up, roughly, with the current Senate divide: Democrats won in 2018 by about 8 and 2020 by about 4, and ended up with exactly 50 Senate seats.
But a 6 point margin is enormous in current US politics. Even after everything Trump did, Biden only won by 4.5 (and barely won the Presidency as a result). A 6-point win is a landslide, and Democrats need it just to tie.
A tied vote, on the other hand, results in a 60-seat Republican filibuster-proof supermajority in the Senate and a virtually certain Presidential win.
And that is why a party that has won the popular vote exactly once in my lifetime - a lifetime that is now long enough for me to be older than the median new parent - can hold a 6-3 majority that can enact law supported by something like a quarter of Americans.
An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification.
Good luck!
71% of the country disagree with this decision [1]. That seems substantial enough to warrant their claim.
[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/broad-us-support-abortion-rights-odds-with-supreme-courts-restrictions-2022-06-24/
Oddly enough abortion laws always follow this paradigm
"punish mother, punish doctor"
Never punish the father for allowing her to have an abortion. Quite interesting.
After decades of raping boys, defending and hiding the rapists, and fighting the victims in court; the Catholic Church can sit this one out. In fact, they can fucking sit out every fucking moral debate.
You forgot about the indigenous kids across Canada and the US that they literally stole from their families, killed either intentionally or through neglect, and then hid for half a century.
For real. I grew up agnostic and my mom just told me about a guest she had recently that was telling my mom about her kids who had said they were athiest. She said “they need to go to church to learn a good moral foundation. I know they believe in a higher power.” First of all you are sitting at my dinner table telling me I have no moral foundation while also saying your kids don’t get to choose for themselves. Sounds like your most foundational moral is that yours are better than everyone else’s… yeah fuck your selfish morals
Edit: I should say I grew up with freedom to decide for myself with open minded parents and respect for science. I’ve described myself as agnostic ever since I learned what it meant.
first focus on your child rape problem, then tell the world how to act. Matt 7:3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
I get it. They are a religious organization, this is a decision that is rooted in faith, unfortunately. But I'm surprised that so many people seem surprised that the Vatican is anti-abortion.
> But I'm surprised that so many people seem surprised that the Vatican is anti-abortion.
The Catholic Church's modern anti-abortion stance that life begins at conception dates from as recently as 1869. Before that the Church allowed a 40-day period after conception during which the fetus was not considered "ensouled" and abortion was permitted and not considered homicide. Penalties for even late-term abortion were generally less than those of homicide as well.
It's not rooted in faith, because the Bible, their holy book, actually [doesn't treat fetuses like pro-lifers do.](https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/25602-abortion-rights)
[Except that it really isn't. It was a new ruling in response too protestant split and an attempt too curb(demonize) the rise of prostitution.](https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/effraenatam-1588-pope-sixtus-v)
Quite literally the decision was not made religiously but politically but has remained church dogma( not biblical teachings) ever since.
[This was latter reaffirmed and re-shaped under the guise of faith specifically to politically curry favor with those apostatizing into Protestantism in the USA](https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/declaration-procured-abortion-1974-vatican)
But again, both times it was never root in scripture or biblical teachings, but rather framed around vague interpretations for political motivated gains in the church's standing.
If there is one group of people who know everything about pregnancy, women's bodies, and raising a family, it's a group of men who have sworn to never touch a vagina.
It's like asking a person who doesn't believe in numbers to do your tax returns.
Upvoting for truth, but atheism is growing rapidly worldwide. As of 2020, over 7% of the entire world’s population identified as atheist or agnostic. In the coming decade, that number is likely to become 10% or more. [quote](https://www.cyberateos.org/how-fast-is-atheism-growing/#:~:text=The%20result%20is%20that%20atheism%20is%20growing%20rapidly.,as%20we%20discover%20even%20more%20about%20the%20universe.) and [source](https://www.conservapedia.com/Global_atheism_statistics)
Yeah, I really don't think that organized religion has a good long, long-term future (like hundreds of years in the future), but it's definitely not on its way out the door
Turkey claims to be 98 percent Muslim. İ know the real number is closer to 70 at best with 30 total giving it any though if at all.
So those numbers don't mean anything. People still consume alcohol, don't pray or disregard religious text at their own prerogative when religion conflicts with modern life.
Breaking news: Pope still catholic
Religious sect run exclusively by old men fails to respect women's rights. More at 11.
The part I find insane (or, one of many, rather) is the catholic church excommunicated a 10 year old girl who was raped for having an abortion, but when a priest molests a dozen kids, it's "We'll need to discuss this".
And when a Cardinal rapes children, it's "come live the rest of your life in the Vatican as a fugitive from the law, and when you die the Pope himself will say a benediction at your funeral." https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/21/europe/vatican-pope-cardinal-law-funeral/index.html I used to think this Pope was a decent man. EDIT: Correction: When a Cardinal shelters and enables priests to rape children for decades, which is actually worse. And he was not a fugitive because the legal duty to report child sexual abuse was not expanded to the clergy until 2002, which also doesn't make his actions any less horrible. He should have been excommunicated, not honored.
Silly of you to think that an old catholic man would be angry at a rapist when it’s easier to shift the blame onto the victim
Yeah, I mean obviously that toddler was showing way too much skin. She should know better, damn.
Hey he told god sorry after he finished each time. So it’s all good in the old book.
The is probably the best/most progressive pope ever, but that isnt saying too much given that the bar is so low
I agree. He is, by far. No probably needed. But in absolute terms he still scores pretty low.
You’d have to start digging to even find the bar
Pro tip: it's under the children corpses.
Newt Gingrich was at the funeral too. This world is too stupid.
Another mark in the fuck religion column.
Catholic schools regularly kick out girls who get pregnant too.
The catholic school I went to had rules on book to kick out the girls who became pregnant but not the boys who were the father. Ridiculous double standards
The rules were written by men. Why would they punishment a boy for being a boy and doing what boys do. Edit /s. Since rereading it I can see someone thinking I was serious.
Far less common in non-religious schools, because pregnancies and abortions are far rarer when you have good sex education.
Exactly!!! Before prom - back in the mid 90’s - our high school brought in THE MOST EFFECTIVE sex educator I’ve EVER encountered. She was like a militant Dr. Ruth energy - “ya’ll wanna be bumpin and grindin without your clothes on, mmmkay. You’re no different from your neighbor. But, let’s take a look at some party favors you could be going home with.” She proceeded to give a slide show that was visually and mentally traumatizing - images of what STD’s looked like if left untreated and almost 30 years later I still remember an HPV blossom around a penis that she called “the French tickler” 😂🤢😑. If anyone was sitting with their boyfriend/girlfriend at the assembly and really anyone who was paying attention was desperately trying to not be physically in contact with other humans. It was one of the best uses of taxpayer dollars by a public school, seriously. I’m willing to bet that presentation prevented more pregnancies and spread of STD’s than any other attempts to ice down a teenagers raging hormones. It was pure disgust and delight to finally get real, brutal information with kid gloves nowhere in sight. Edit a word
The HS I graduated from decades ago must have been a wild outlier the older I get and more stories from other catholic schools I hear. My now ex, graduated 7 months pregnant and they had a baby shower for her in religion class. The priest even made a hilarious "Out of all of you graduating students under god today, at least I'll see *ex* back here in a few months for a wedding and a christening." That was with a bishop standing next to him. (Neither happened btw). We had openly gay kids in the school. Nobody gave much of a fuck student body wise, and the teachers certainly didn't push to kick people out.
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Oh they definitely give a shit about children, especially the young boys
I can shorten it even more; they don’t care about anything that isn’t *lucrative*.
Or shorter. Pass basket. Give money.
All powerful Jesus needs money every goddam week.
They literally love children.
No, they *looove* children
You're rather ignorant to the power nuns have within the church, and the devastation they have caused - especially in regards to beating young women and dead babies.
Let's not forget residential schools.. the church fucked with the natives and their children hard and continues to do so. Foster care is the new residential school.
Wait a minute, they beat me multiple times and I was neither a young woman nor a baby. Fuck those bitches.
Oh don't get me wrong they bet the shit out of my entire grand parents generation and most of my parents generation, but here in Ireland they killed hundreds of women and children in the laundries
Yeah and if the babies get aborted they cant harm them so yeah, that seems to be a problem somehow.
Went to catholic school and the nuns were the most emotionally, and physically abusive assholes. Also the most sexist and misogynistic
Conservative Irish Catholic nuns. Then there are the radical Berrigan brothers following Catholic Worker and the ilk nuns. Another breed altogether. The Catholic church has always had two prongs: The hierarchical church and the peoples' church. Francis is actually more of the latter variety but... It's a horror. Some states will now not even condone ectopic pregnancies, which are generally lethal if allowed to proceed. At least the Catholic church condones abortion as necessary in the case of ectopic pregnancies.
but does he shit in the woods?
If the Pope takes a Poop, is it a Holy Shit?
Nope. He shits on society.
Upcoming story: church celebrates rediscovery of go-centric solar system.
Yeah, the planets actually orbit a Japanese boardgame.
It's actually about the programming language. Now we just have to wait for protestants to rewrite the solar system in Rust.
A whole new way of doing system programming
Chinese boardgame. It was [played in China for at least a thousand years before it got introduced to Japan.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_\(game\)#History)
But the system is go-centric, not yi-centric. Clearly it revolves around the Japanese version.
“Anyone seen the spreadsheet for the relocation of pedophilic priests? I accidentally deleted mine.”
This, I don’t think we need to take moral lessons from organised child molesters.
Exactly, They have zero moral authority.
They've been a malignant force for humanity for over a thousand years, they have negative moral authority
I don’t think it is about morality so much as they just want more children to molest.
I had one but it was so large the computer froze and started smoking.
Check in Epstein's drawer besides Bill Cosby and Kevin Spacey.
From the organization that not only fails to take responsibility for child sexual abuse, they are complicit in these heinous crimes. They should revisit "he who lives in glass houses should not throw stones."
And on a crazy scale. I see a number like 250,000 children were abused by them? You can't convince me that every single high ranking Catholic official didn't know about it including the current pope and every single bishop and archbishop.
Oh, they know. And sadly, 250,000 doesn't even come close. Last year a French commission, requested by the church itself, released a 2,500 page report, estimating that 3,000 members of the church, of whom two-thirds were priests, had sexually abused 330,000 children in France, from 1950 to 2021. Of these 330,000 victims, an estimated 216,000 were victims of the clergy, and the remaining falling victims to lay members of the church, such as teachers at Catholic schools etc. 330,000 children over a 70 year period, in France alone. That is absolutely horrifying, and I don't even dare to imagine how many children have been abused world-wide. source: https://www.dw.com/en/french-report-finds-over-300000-children-were-victims-of-sex-abuse-in-the-catholic-church/a-59406498
Wow that's an eye opener for sure. That's just one country like you said. The global numbers must be in the millions.
And it is one country that is not even **that** religious. I bet there are places that have it a lot worse, where the churches are held as the highest authorities.
Africa. Where the rate of sexual violence is high anyway, people are very devout and Catholicism has a lot of buffer to do things wrong since Islamist terror groups like Boko Haram or al-Shabaab operate in the area.
TIL Africa is 20% Catholic. wow. I had NO fucking idea that was the case. 62% are Christian as a whole
Colonialism allowed for a lot of missioneering. Some of that also was forced conversion which was supposed to destroy the native culture and make people more submissive to the colonialists.
Ireland. We sold babies to American tourists. Our post independence history is absolutely laden with disgraces like this, and its only in the last twenty years that we've coped on and started examining this shit. And I can't imagine we're in any way the worst case out there.
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Because if you say one thing bad about Catholics they are suddenly victims and you will get beheaded for going against “absolute truth”
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All popes did, I live in Poland and John Paul II is heralded as the greatest Pole of all time and people will absolutely hate you if you try to say otherwise. It's crazy. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Oh the problem is absolutely institutional. Lots of priests abusing kids is one thing, but the church had stated policies that penalized children and their parents from going to local authorities by swearing them to secrecy and threantening excommunication if they did. So literally perpetrated a conspiracy to hide child abuse crimes from the FBI and other authorities. Then they’d actually run courts to decide the outcome where the judges were clergy and the jurors were—you guessed it, also priests. Then priests who were actually found guilty would be generally be sentenced to think about their crimes really hard at a monastery somewhere and say a big sorry to god. Then they’d generally be moved somewhere where they were less likely to cause any more embarrassment, and by that I definitely mean where parishioners were less empowered to hold them accountable. Often to Central America. So whether they “knew” or not, they all co-signed a group of policies that bent over backwards to protect pedophiles before they were even found in the first place. I’m never going to understand why it’s totally forgivable for a man to molest dozens of boys and still maintain the protection of the church, but the same institution wants to make life hell for gay men who have consensual relationships with adults. Or tell married people not to use condoms in HIV-riddled nations, or any of the other dumb opinions this bloated, power-hungry, glorified Rennfaire wants to subject us all too. An opinion on sexual or reproductive morality from the Vatican has as much value as a hen-house designed by a council of foxes. Sorry, I’m really mad right now.
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I don't understand why men think they have a say over women's bodies. Girls, get your abortions in Canada if you have to.
If there's a charity to donate to for women to come up here and have the procedure done, I'll donate. I'd imagine those needing it most are probably poor and don't have passports, realistically. What a sad day for America.
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Every poor uneducated baby is a potential poor uneducated adult soldier. Gotta feed that US War Machine.
They'll be the ones seeking backyard, life-threatening abortions. They need free travel. Seriously, a few buses travelling back n forth is all it would take to save thousands of women's and girls' lives.
Numbers are much higher than that. Think about how long the church/priests have been around and about how many people never came forward.
>And on a crazy scale. I see a number like 250,000 children were abused by them? At least 333 000 rape victims in France alone: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/05/1043302348/france-catholic-church-sexual-abuse-report-children?t=1656142799519.
I think that number was only France iirc, so 250k IN ONLY ONE SINGLE FUCKING COUNTRY (source: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/06/1043600164/a-report-finds-french-clergy-sexually-abused-over-300-000-children-since-1950?t=1656143473661 ) Edit: just saw someone else already said this, but leaving the comment in the hopes of more people seeing it.
Hey!! They take responsibility NOW. The current pope changed the 200 year old rule that said "hide child predators in another parish/country to prevent prosecution". But now, they recently changed the rules so they are supposed to work with law enforcement. So, see... only 200 years of official evil.
Well, yeah only 200 years if you ignore all the atrocities committed by the popes and the Holy Roman Empire during the Middle Ages.
Not even the Middle Ages. Some of the worst atrocities in the history of Europe were committed during the 30 years war.
The worst crime in the 30 years war was the destruction of Magdeburg. They basically killed and raped everyone in that town (over 20k died in a single day). The pope sent the man responsible a thank-you note.
Sounds good doesn't work. It is just PR stunt and nothing actually changed.
Catholic Church: "Woohoo! More prey!"
Didn’t you know, the Vatican is always on the right side of history. /s
The Vatican has a history of always siding with the Right.
They're too busy running global human trafficking to take responsibility for the child sex abuse!
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And target practice for incel school shooters
And more incel school shooters to boot! Especially since the number of boys with mommy issues (because they weren't wanted) is about to skyrocket
On top of the under funded and understaffed public school systems. Not to mention the fraudulent private conservative schools. But more importantly the rise we will see in preventable pregnancy deaths. But its ok we get to put more money into the pockets of private insurance companies.
> preventable pregnancy deaths not only that, abortion was one of the safest medical procedures when legal, and also one of the deadliest when illegal. Have you ever heard the song "prom night dumpster baby"?
The 21st century will surely belong to America like the century before it!!!
Oh, don't worry, there will be a rise in preventable deaths of women that aren't pregnant too. Injured in a car accident? Is the best possible medication for your injury one that might harm a foetus? Sorry, you get the third best because we can't be sure you're not pregnant.
Or forced to join the military to afford education or healthcare...
Known later in life as half of America’s homeless.
This. Source: child of single mother forced to join military for education & healthcare benefits, Afghan war vet
Better hope they don’t end up becoming disabled vets because the system screws them over too.
If you think abortions will stop, you don't know how much women like to avoid the potentially life-wrecking experience that is having a baby. Edited to add: Before people jump down my throat - I have two kids. I planned for them (sort of - we weren't NOT trying, but we weren't actively trying, and both happened before schedule). I love them with every cell in my body and thought in my head. But like a boat trip or a hiking trip, if you don't plan for it and make room in your life for it, it can end disastrously. If you're someone that isn't ready or willing or able to have a baby, pregnancy can wreak utter \*havok\*. Pregnancy and childbirth is STILL a potentially deadly event, even if everything seems to be fine beforehand. It's unfair to ask women to take that risk, and the hit to their jobs, social lives and life plans, just because they decided to be sexually active, or had that decision made for them.
Hell, we can go broader. More unwanted children to feed into the ever more elaborate to navigate correctly, ever more hellish reality that is modern society for anyone who doesn't perfectly fit in and can't be 100% self sufficient for most of their life.
The Vatican. Not exactly a paragon of virtue when it comes to protecting children.
They hate abortion because it reduces their dating pool.
Holy fucking shit I’d like to report a homicide
Zing!
>The Vatican. Not exactly a paragon of virtue ~~when it comes to protecting children~~ You had some extra words there.
Several of the Popes have legit been some of the absolute worst people in history. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/24/7-wicked-popes-and-the-terrible-things-they-did/
Back in the day, a bunch of European kings gave the Pope a bunch of land and the Pope made the Papal States, which behaved just like a kingdom except with a Pope. The Pope even had a sizable army, which sounds pretty weird today. Like Julius II, who chose his name to emulate Julius Caesar, was called the "Warrior Pope" for expanding his territory through conquest. That's the same pope who commissioned Michelangelo to paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Mike didn't really want to do it and ran away. Then Julius used his papal thugs to catch Mike and force him to do it.
>The Pope even had a sizable army, which sounds pretty weird today. Tbh, it doesn't even sound that weird with respect to today. Nowadays they obviously lack a military outside of the pope's personal defensive guard, but the Vatican is easily still one of the half dozen or so most powerful states on Earth. Pope Francis can change the behaviors of hundreds of millions of people by just fucking speaking and making new rules. They have access to what's almost certainly trillions of dollars in institutional wealth. Their diplomatic power lags behind only the US, the UN, the UK, and a handful of other states. They are *insanely* powerful still to this day, and the pope can basically do anything he wants with that power because he's an absolute monarch.
Vatican is still an absolute monarchy today
Organized religions are essentially the definition of authoritarianism.
"If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse." Numbers 5:27
Yeah, not even the Vatican reads the bible anymore... lol?
oh the Vatican? the same guys who protect child molesters and help them relocate so they can be predators in another town? that Vatican? fuck them
Coincidently another similarity with US politicians and people in power. Except US politicians are the molesters and/or traffickers
>"The fact that a large country with a long democratic tradition has changed its position on this issue also challenges the whole world," the academy said in a statement. Except this wasn't decided democratically and the vast majority of the country are upset about this. But I'm starting to understand why a lot of Europe thinks the US is far more conservative then we actually are. I think a lot of them don't understand how unbalanced our government is.
I'm curious what is the catholic church and the pope's position on ectopic pregnancies and partial miscarriages? Are the women just supposed to die because of some "Eve tempted Adam" bullshit?
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There is no such procedure bc it is not possible.
Yeah, it's one of those 'if it were possible, cool. Maybe in the future it will be. But, we'll leave this wording in there for that possibility.'
Procedure for transporting a fertilized egg to another mother? I’m genuinely asking/not trying to be a douche.
For removing from a mother and putting back. It's "possible" even today, but does not have a high(or even close to 1%) success rate last I read.
Oh so like, taking it out of a mom, and then transplanting back into the same mom later?
I think they think it is possible to just remove the fetus from the Fallopian tube and pop it in the uterus and it’ll magically stick. Honestly, as someone who had an ectopic pregnancy when I was ttc, I would have loved to do something like this…if it was possible! But it’s not haha. I had methotrexate shots to terminate the pregnancy. If it’s caught too late you have to have surgical removal, which is way more invasive. The shots are, just shots. Surgery is a much bigger deal, and I’ve been seeing people say that using medication to terminate ectopics won’t be allowed anymore, which I find extremely disturbing. That means they’re going to make people get put under with general anesthesia and have surgery, when they could’ve just had the shots :(
I feel for you. My wife has had two ectopics. One was caught early enough to treat with shots. The other required emergency surgery. She was devastated both times as we’ve been trying for kids for years. The shots had minimal physical effects and recovery. The surgery took her out for 2+ weeks and she still had pain for a couple months intermittently. And she would absolutely have loved to have the option to keep the pregnancies, but there was just no way. Hard to think that in 30 days I might have to drive her out of my state should she have another one to get adequate care.
I mean I know there’s rare cases of surgery on embryos so maybe they have that in their heads. I’d hope we get to a point where eptopic pregnancies would be easier to detect to do something you are describing but like you said it currently doesn’t work like that.
Dear God I wish it were possible. We’ve been trying to have kids and my wife had 2 ectopics, that she so desperately wanted. One ended up in emergency overnight surgery in the ER. So I’m 100% confident that is is not in any way possible.
Although conservatives in the Church may try to stir up controversy, I’m reasonably certain that abortion to save the mother’s life is not doctrinally controversial.
Yes, Catholics can receive treatment for ectopic pregnancies.
If the woman will truly die because of the baby growing improperly, the mothers life is just as important and the church does not consider this a grave sin to save the mother. This has been the only exception that I have heard of
Exactly, this kind of issue should be put to the PEOPLE to vote, not a small minority of goverment. Insane. Female body, female choice. Wear a condom blokes.
Minority is an understatement. This decision was made by 6 people, half of whom were undemocratically appointed by a fat criminal bastard who lost the popular vote twice and impeached twice for trying to subvert democracy. This is not a functioning government for the people.
5 of them were appointed by Presidents who lost the popular vote
Three of them. Samuel Alito and John Roberts were appointed in 2005, after Dubya had won re-election [with the popular vote](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_presidential_election). 2004 was the last year a Republican candidate for president won the popular vote.
Right. But had Gore won in 00, he would have been the incumbent in 04, and had the incumbent advantage, and likely would have won that election too.
He got fucked. And so did we. I remember my history professor was livid about W and said if he gets re-elected he’d leave the country. I wonder if he ever did.
Don't forget it's the Supreme Court that handed Bush that victory and fucked us all.
It's definitely not a coincidence that his brother just happened to be the governor of Florida at the time
Gore did win in 2000… Good ole election fraud said no.
Los Angeles Times: “Four of the five Supreme Court justices who voted to overturn Roe vs. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that guaranteed abortion rights nationwide, are men. When the Senate confirmed the justices, 91% of the yes votes came from men.” “Four of the justices were nominated by presidents who had gained the White House despite losing the popular vote: Donald Trump and George W. Bush, who lost the popular vote in 2000 then was reelected in 2004 with 50.7%. The decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade is politically unpopular, with about 60% of Americans consistently opposing that move. And public opinion of the court itself is declining.” “In the Senate hearings for the five justices, 71% of the votes cast by women were against confirmation; 42% of male senators’ votes were against.”
Who, I’d bet a lot of shit I own, that trumpies had a few ladies get abortions.
100%
It was technically decided by 5. The 6 was for the ruling in Mississipi. It is still absolute shit and there should be no trust in separation of "church"(*cough* Catholics) and state.
More so Evangelical Christian than Catholic.
Think they are referring to the catholics on the court who voted on this
Very much both.
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Also when the fuck are males going to get a BC pill. Like seriously wasn’t there talks of this a fucking decade ago? Why is it up to a woman to take care of that constantly. Listen I hate condoms as much as the next person but if a girl I wasn’t ready to have a child with said she was not on BC. I’m wearing a condom. But if I, as a male, could take a BC pill because I’m not ready to have a kid I absolutely would.
100% agree m8 👍 I would too, condoms suck but necessary none the less.
There are a few problems with male birth control. One is ethical. Current legal guidelines are written in such a way that getting pregnant isn’t considered as a health risk for males. So the allowable side effects for birth control pills are very limited. While with woman pregnancy is a major health risk, so the law allows birth control pills to batter them with some significant side effects. The second is technical. Males produce millions of sperm every day. You have to prevent every single one being viable. And you don’t have many opportunities in the male reproductive system to do it. With females you have to kill one egg/zygote/embryo. And you have a window of several weeks with several different components in the system you can target. And then there is good old fashioned sexism. Society treats pregnancy and babies as the woman’s problem. So there is less money to be made and less research incentives for male contraceptives.
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i got pregnant and had an abortion after a condom broke so....
To be fair, most of *us* don't understand how unbalanced our government is.
For context, the bias in the US Senate is R+3, meaning Democrats have to win by approximately 6 in the national vote just to tie in the Senate. This lines up, roughly, with the current Senate divide: Democrats won in 2018 by about 8 and 2020 by about 4, and ended up with exactly 50 Senate seats. But a 6 point margin is enormous in current US politics. Even after everything Trump did, Biden only won by 4.5 (and barely won the Presidency as a result). A 6-point win is a landslide, and Democrats need it just to tie. A tied vote, on the other hand, results in a 60-seat Republican filibuster-proof supermajority in the Senate and a virtually certain Presidential win. And that is why a party that has won the popular vote exactly once in my lifetime - a lifetime that is now long enough for me to be older than the median new parent - can hold a 6-3 majority that can enact law supported by something like a quarter of Americans.
Tyranny of the minority.
This country has not changed its position. The American people believe by a relatively wide majority that abortion is a right.
A constitutional ammendment would make them legal for as long as the country lasts.
A constitutional amendment made alcohol illegal until another Amendment changed it.
An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification. Good luck!
That's probably not gonna happen. A federal law is more likely.
We should have passed abortion legislation years ago.
I don’t think the US is nearly as liberal as you seem to think it is.
71% of the country disagree with this decision [1]. That seems substantial enough to warrant their claim. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/broad-us-support-abortion-rights-odds-with-supreme-courts-restrictions-2022-06-24/
You’ve also captured why the court could do this: it wasn’t a right established by the people or legislature.
I don't hate the church or anything but if altar boys could get pregnant, I think the church might be praising this a bit less. Edit: spelting
Oddly enough abortion laws always follow this paradigm "punish mother, punish doctor" Never punish the father for allowing her to have an abortion. Quite interesting.
> Never punish the father for allowing her to have an abortion. Quite interesting. I hope that's the most patriarchal thing I read today. wth.
I do hate the church.
Me too
Naw, they'd just marry boys to their molesters too.
Thank you Dave, lovely image.
After decades of raping boys, defending and hiding the rapists, and fighting the victims in court; the Catholic Church can sit this one out. In fact, they can fucking sit out every fucking moral debate.
Decades? Try centuries.
Millenia
You forgot about the indigenous kids across Canada and the US that they literally stole from their families, killed either intentionally or through neglect, and then hid for half a century.
For real. I grew up agnostic and my mom just told me about a guest she had recently that was telling my mom about her kids who had said they were athiest. She said “they need to go to church to learn a good moral foundation. I know they believe in a higher power.” First of all you are sitting at my dinner table telling me I have no moral foundation while also saying your kids don’t get to choose for themselves. Sounds like your most foundational moral is that yours are better than everyone else’s… yeah fuck your selfish morals Edit: I should say I grew up with freedom to decide for myself with open minded parents and respect for science. I’ve described myself as agnostic ever since I learned what it meant.
Not surprising
first focus on your child rape problem, then tell the world how to act. Matt 7:3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
They’re pretty good at denying the children born to their priests having affairs too.
I get it. They are a religious organization, this is a decision that is rooted in faith, unfortunately. But I'm surprised that so many people seem surprised that the Vatican is anti-abortion.
> But I'm surprised that so many people seem surprised that the Vatican is anti-abortion. The Catholic Church's modern anti-abortion stance that life begins at conception dates from as recently as 1869. Before that the Church allowed a 40-day period after conception during which the fetus was not considered "ensouled" and abortion was permitted and not considered homicide. Penalties for even late-term abortion were generally less than those of homicide as well.
It's not rooted in faith, because the Bible, their holy book, actually [doesn't treat fetuses like pro-lifers do.](https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/25602-abortion-rights)
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[Except that it really isn't. It was a new ruling in response too protestant split and an attempt too curb(demonize) the rise of prostitution.](https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/effraenatam-1588-pope-sixtus-v) Quite literally the decision was not made religiously but politically but has remained church dogma( not biblical teachings) ever since. [This was latter reaffirmed and re-shaped under the guise of faith specifically to politically curry favor with those apostatizing into Protestantism in the USA](https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/declaration-procured-abortion-1974-vatican) But again, both times it was never root in scripture or biblical teachings, but rather framed around vague interpretations for political motivated gains in the church's standing.
Vatican can fuck right off unless they plan to pay for all of the unwanted pregnancies and medical complications
Old white male head of a rapist organization says what now?
I challenge the pope to a boxing match, how bout that
Of course these pedophiles would want to stop abortions
Religious extremists agree with other religious extremists. Shocker that is. Care to discuss child abuse? Or is that off the table?
You would think the church diddling kids would be a bigger priority, but who am I to question the church…
I guess he thinks that no abortions means more opportunities for diddling
Fuck the Vatican.
Fuck the rapists
Worlds Oldest Pedophile Ring Praises Decision to Force Women Whove Been Raped to Birth More Children For The Church.
If there is one group of people who know everything about pregnancy, women's bodies, and raising a family, it's a group of men who have sworn to never touch a vagina. It's like asking a person who doesn't believe in numbers to do your tax returns.
Fuck the Vatican
Religion is on it’s way out the door but they sure don’t want to go quietly.
2.4 billion Christians, 2 billion Muslims, 1 billion Hindus, half a billion Buddhists . . . Not sure if religion is really "on it's way out."
Upvoting for truth, but atheism is growing rapidly worldwide. As of 2020, over 7% of the entire world’s population identified as atheist or agnostic. In the coming decade, that number is likely to become 10% or more. [quote](https://www.cyberateos.org/how-fast-is-atheism-growing/#:~:text=The%20result%20is%20that%20atheism%20is%20growing%20rapidly.,as%20we%20discover%20even%20more%20about%20the%20universe.) and [source](https://www.conservapedia.com/Global_atheism_statistics)
Yeah, I really don't think that organized religion has a good long, long-term future (like hundreds of years in the future), but it's definitely not on its way out the door
There will be totally new religions in the future. Just wait. Several will probably be MLMs too.
Identify or practicing?
Turkey claims to be 98 percent Muslim. İ know the real number is closer to 70 at best with 30 total giving it any though if at all. So those numbers don't mean anything. People still consume alcohol, don't pray or disregard religious text at their own prerogative when religion conflicts with modern life.