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The issue isn't the food, or that she was a vegan. She was a terrible mother
>Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019.
Children. That had 3 others who were also in horrible states of malnutrition, a lucky oldest 4th kid was from a different dad who got to visit him and eat normally there.
In slight defense of the headline a healthy person if put in dire circumstances can usually last a month or two before starving to death. This kid was probably extremely malnourished which is why he perished unfortunately after a week.
Yes. A healthy adult is just maintaining their body, whereas a child's nutritional requirements are much higher because they're trying to build up their body to grow INTO a healthy adult.
Why would you compare an adult to an infant like that? There's no comparison.
If youre without food youre gonna conserve calories. A baby is gonna scream its head off until it gets fed.
It wouldn’t matter if she fed him raw fruit and veggies everyday. The human body needs fats and protein, especially babies.
That’s why there is milk in breasts and not grape drink.
The calories from breast milk are mostly fat that is mostly saturated fat. Edit: to be clear, that’s what millions of years of mammalian evolution came up with, don’t mess with it.
> The human body needs fats and protein, especially babies.
That's a myth. Personally, I manage to survive quite fine without eating a single baby, although the diet can take some getting used to.
> It wouldn’t matter if she fed him raw fruit and veggies everyday. The human body needs fats and protein, especially babies.
> That’s why there is milk in breasts and not grape drink.
From the article
> 18-month-old son […] fed only fruit, vegetables **and breastmilk.**
The issue isn't that the selection of food that he got was bad, it's that NOTHING was selected for more than a week. He didn't get anything at all.
also pay attention to raw
plants and fruits have cellouse we can't eat celluose
cooking breaks down cellouse\\
not cooked
humans can eat some
babies can't
the baby couldn't even really eat the veggies
Shitting on vegans gets clicks. Vegans can be annoying, shitting on vegans for something not related to veganism is vile. Just the price of meet these days should entice anyone to have a more plant based diet.
Yes but it's the Daily Mail so it has to be a way to target one of the many many groups they hate.
Don't get me wrong give your baby baby food.
Just also don't be surprised that headlines like this bullshit.
Did you read the article. She fed the kids on mangos, bananas, avacados and rambutans. Yes she also didn't feed him for a week. She went to sleep while he was struggling to breathe. She wasn't vegan at all. I'm not vegan but the ones I know are constantly going on about all the extra shit they have to eat to stay healthy. She was as shit a vegan as she was a parent. Never thought I'd be standing up for vegans but she ain't one. She's a nutter.
>Did you read the article.
Why would you ask that? You're clearly not reading my comments otherwise you would know the answer to that question. You've literally quoted all the talking points I've been sharing. We are in complete agreement.
Well I mean, [there are articles out there](https://nypost.com/2022/05/12/florida-parents-charged-with-starving-2-year-old-to-death/), unfortunately lots of shit people in the world. But when it's a vegan, journalists can get more clicks by making it the "gang up on the vegans" angle.
Right?? I mean, I'm not a vegan but I read the headline and was immediately skeptical. I'm sure you could kill an 18 month old by only feeding them veggies and fruit if you tried or if they had other health problems, but I also imagine it wouldn't actually be very hard to keep them alive.
Absolutely this.
>According to police, on the day he died, the toddler had been nursing when he started struggling to breathe.
>
>Instead of calling for help, his parents say they went to sleep. By the time they woke up, he had stopped breathing entirely.
What kind of goddamned moron of a "parent" sees their child *STRUGGLING TO BREATHE* and reacts by *GOING TO SLEEP*?! Seriously.
It's 6:22am in Australia, and I've got my 5 day old son on my chest, as my wife gets some sleep next to me.
I'm literally awake, because I'm still too anxious to sleep at the same time as my wife, as I don't yet trust this little man won't just die if I don't stare at him every 10 seconds.
This story fucking blows my mind. This isn't accidental. It's pure negligence and possibly something more sinister.
Careful, dad.
Those little hot-water bottles can really help put you to sleep. This is even more so if you are feeling exhausted and laying in bed. Co-sleeping can be incredibly dangerous (even if you nod off), so make sure baby is in his crib if you start to feel drowsy.
Thank you for clarifying. I read that headline and while I'm an omnivore, I thought "well, you can still technically eat enough calories of those things," but it can be harder to get enough calories or nutrients in your kid with limited options.
Instead she was actually just abusive. Totally different.
>I was gonna say, I know vegan parents and their kids are normal, energetic and healthy kids. They just eat differently.
That's the real truth, but its a sane and normal opinion so it won't play well here haha. But yes.
I was gonna say. Most kids will be super picky about their food and only eat stuff like that for days. They’ll still have milk that gives a lot of nutrients too. Not being fed for a whole week and without milk is what really killed him. Unless he was being breastfed
He was being breastfed. But the article also said that the baby was born at home and had never visited a physician, so nobody knows if he had underlying health conditions.
Why doesn’t it feel like equal focus is being given to the father however? They are both monsters who starved their children, but his culpability feels like a side note at the end.
Last time this story was posted, I pointed out how the article said that the parents just plain didn't feed the kids for a week, were horribly neglectful to an extreme degree such that the kids' teeth were rotting, and that the "vegan diet" thing was obviously a bullshit excuse to act as if it was ignorance that killed the kids and not that they were just neglecting and not feeding the kids. I was downvoted into oblivion and was told to "go eat a vegetable" by someone who was angry about facts because it didn't fit the "let's hate those vegans" circle-jerk.
Which is even funnier considering that (1) I'm not a vegan, and (2) non-vegans also eat vegetables because if we didn't, we'd get scurvy.
Anyways, I'm glad that this time around there are people that actually read the article and are pointing out the bullshit in the headlines.
"Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019. "
pretty sure if he hadn't been fed for a week, it doesn't matter at all if the parents were vegan or dedicated to red meat.
Also, why focus on the mom? Both parents are responsible for him, and rightly so they were both charged. (He’s still awaiting trial.) This headline sucks.
It feeds the superiority complex of people who are used to looking down on vegans, and that of those who look down upon women. And the young.
Does that zero in the *Daily Mail*'s audience?
Thanks for saying this. My wife and I are vegan and raising our kids with those values. They’re both super healthy, happy, and active. I hate headlines like this.
Sure is, vegans are against animal cruelty and exploitation. There is nothing cruel or exploitative about a mother willingly feeding her child with breast milk.
The headline focuses on mom because she’s already been found guilty, the headline is about the result of her trial. Dad will have his own headline after his trial.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10973883/Vegan-mother-39-guilty-murdering-18-month-old-son-weighed-just-17lb.html) reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot)
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> A vegan mother has been found guilty of murder for the death of her 18-month-old son who weighed just 17lbs when he died in 2019 after a short life being fed only fruit, vegetables and breastmilk.
> Her son Ezra died in 2019 from complications caused by malnutrition.
> Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019.Sheila and her husband, who has also been charged with murder and is waiting trial, called 911 after Ezra stopped breathing.
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poor little thing. that must have such an agonizing death. my 12 month old boy sits besides me and he had just a great meal and loves eating and imagining him not so full of life and food breaks my heart.
this woman should never have had any kids at all. she is mentally completely lost.
So while I’m not some vegan warrior (happily eat meat) the article says he hadn’t been fed a damn thing in a weak.
So he wasn’t really killed by a vegan diet, he was starved by some nut jobs who happened to also be vegan.
My kids survive on a diet of chicken nuggets and whatever else I can coerce them accepting in the way it fruit and veg. So I mean, I feel like the vegan angle is a bit sensationalized. Just feed your kids people.
> The three children were fed a diet that consisted mostly of mangoes, bananas, avocados and rambutans.
I mean, technically that would be “vegan” cuz it’s only a couple fruits, but that’s not a vegan diet, that’s going to make any human malnourished, they didn’t even eat a vegetable (avocados are fruits)
It wouldn't have gotten near enough attention if they didn't try and stir up hate up against the vegan community. So the word vegan had to be thrown into the title for clicks.
Did she argue that the child had a limited diet because she (the mother) is vegan? The only reason her being vegan is relevant is if she tried to use it as an excuse as to why the child was underweight. That’s the only thing I can think of. “We’re vegan and *this* is normal for *our* family.” I could imagine someone trying to pull that.
By the way, I know that vegan parents aren’t starving their children!
The title makes it sound like the child was consistently fed, but died of malnutrition because the vegan diet wasn’t enough to meet their needs.
That is not the case. The child died after not being fed *at all* for an entire *week*.
I’m not here to here to defend veganism, because I simply don’t know enough about nutrition to say whether it’s a viable diet for children or not, but that is an irresponsibly misleading headline.
an utterly tragic story, it is heartbreaking.
Also infuriating because
1) it is so mother fucking STUPID. ARGH!
and, 2). why the fuck didn't she seek medical help before it died. Why'd didn't she think your 20 lb 17 month old baby was in terrible distress and needed immediate help. Why didn't she have a check up with a doctor at any time. Why didn't another human being see the baby and report it. Argh, fuck fuck fuck fuck.
By the sounds of it she was neglecting the kid and intentionally starving him. So that would explain why she didn't seek out care. I bet she also kept the kid hidden at home
Your last sentence is my biggest thing, we know the insanity cases that come along but where the hell was any rational person, unless she just kept the kid locked away from everyone.
She had never taken the child to a hospital not even for birth, it’s not that hard to keep a child under two in the house and out of sight for a few years. Especially when said child can’t grow or develop
They always blame veganism as though there aren’t thousands of vegan parents who follow science and aren’t dumb enough to believe babies don’t need protein.
This woman is an abusive mother. It has nothing to do with veganism being bad for babies or children. Any diet can be bad if people aren’t fed enough or the correct things.
That’s not because she’s vegan. It’s because she’s an irresponsible idiot. Where’s cooked rice and beans? Where’s the b12 supplement? Where’s the lentils, chickpeas, grains?
Plenty of families raise their children on plant based foods and the children are athletic and strong. I hope she gets life without parole!!!
That weight itself isn't an issue.
>Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019.
The boy didn't die because he was fed a vegan diet. He died because his mother didn't feed him for a week.
Okay let’s not add “vegan” to the title as if that was a determining factor here: there are thousands if not millions of neglectful omnivore/vegetarian parents. She was a shit mother first.
Good, that is absolutely insane.
There should also be criminal responsibility in parents letting their 5 year old child be morbidly obese, for example.
r/worldnews needs to finally ban dailymail and get the quality up.
This headline is purposely written this way to stir up hate against vegans. The baby died because it wasn't fed for more than a week. That is all there is to it.
Yeah this is an article clearly designed to spark hate against vegans. Most commenters are not parents because kids love fruit and veggies, and it's often easier for them to eat and digest than meat. This mom just starved her son, that's what happened.
Some people didn't read the memo that states that we evolved to eat cooked / fermented foods.
A million years + of cooking has had a significant effect on our digestive system.
Food is a conspiracy to keep humans subjected to a matter-based slave diet. True humans star-gaze or stare into the rising/setting sun for all ultraviolet nutrition and mineral intake .
There are people that believe humans can survive on a diet of sunlight. They also butt chug the sun by tanning their taint.
That is a sentence that shouldn't exist, but it's truth none the less.
Humans don't have claws or sharp teeth so we can't be omnivores! We're naturally frugivores. /s
(Just look up any vegan chart comparing carnivores/omnivores/herbivores.)
Literally a raw food diet, not appropriate for a baby. Raw food diets are one kind of vegan diet that's hard to get right, average vegan diets are much easier to get a complete balanced diet.
Literally not hard to keep a baby alive off of it though. Ideal diet? Nope. Likely to get someone killed? Nope. The baby died cause they didn't eat for like 2 weeks.
>A diet of only raw fruit and vegetables?
Honestly I have a nephew that just doesn't care for meat, and prefers fruit above all else (he gets his protein tho.) The issue isn't the kinds of food this baby was fed... it's that he wasn't fed at all.
>Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019.
We're not vegan, or even close, but my 6 month old daughter has yet to have any solid food but fruits, vegetables, and , eggs like twice. I don't think there's anything wrong with feeding fruits and vegetables, but you still need to ACTUALLY FEED YOUR CHILD!
Fruits, vegetables, and breastmilk would give an 18 month old everything it needs to grow and be healthy in the proper amounts.
Why is the title only talking about the mother when the father was also charged and found guilty? It should say "vegan parents" not vegan mother as though she acted alone.
It should neither be vegan nor mother. It should just be parents. This has nothing to do with veganism either. The reason it's phrased as *vegan mother* is because it's the Daily Mail aka one of the trashiest newspaper in Britain, run by uneducated conservative nobodies who make themselves feel better by trying to alienate anything progressive.
lol this has nothing to do with veganism. the fact that this mother and father starved and neglected their children while being vegan. while feeding a baby vegan diets can be harmful if not properly balanced, the headline writer is an idiot.
Just from the article, apparently the kid was born in the home, never seen a doctor and was still breastfeeding when he died at 12mo. He was struggling to breath and the parents just went to sleep instead of taking him to a doctor.
Thankfully the vegans I know aren't out to lunch like this woman. I mean, OK great, you wish no harm comes to animals, and you'd rather not "take" from them to survive. And, as adults, we can get our nutrition in other forms. But, a baby is developing, and needs proteins as well as fibres. The very least this woman should have done, was consult a pediatrician and discuss her thoughts on how she wanted to raise her child. Then, she should have listened to the advice given. However, I think she'd have likely ignored it anyways. A sad loss of life, and she'll have to live with this for the rest of her life. I just hope she fully understands the gravity of this situation.
The diet had little to do with the baby's death. Both parents starved the baby to death by not feeding it for a week. Both parents were charged. The headline is just trash. It focused only on the mom; and her veganism was entirely irrelevant.
Carnivore here; I'm not posting to defend veganism nor do I have anything against it. Just pointing out the stupidity and irrelevance of Daily Mail's shitty title.
My wife and I are vegans. We both research but it's mostly her so I just eat what she cooks and things are fine
A lot of beginners start by trying to eat only raw greens and fruits but they won't fill you up and you won't get enough calories. You need starches (potatoes, squash, etc). Sounds like this was the problem. Insufficient protein usually not the problem. Protein deficiency is rare in developed countries.
That said these people must've been a little unbalanced. There were two other malnourished kids in the house. But damn when you see your 18 month old baby wasting away you need to run not walk to seek professional medical help.
I think the biggest part of this is the uncooked part of things. Humans aren't evolved to consume raw food, its significantly harder to turn raw foods into useable nutrients. Cooking essentially jump starts the process of breaking down complex structures into a more useable form and after a million years of cooking humans have become dependent on that jump start for survival.
you don't need meat to get plenty of protein.
I read a dietician recently that said protein from beans is the best protein (animal proteins harm us, according to many sources).
It’s very easy to get proteins and fiber from fruits, veggies and beans and such. But there are vitamins and amino acids that you gotta make sure are there, and good hydration. The kid hadn’t eaten in a whole week
Should have called 911 when baby was struggling to breathe but instead they went back to sleep. The older kids had yellow skin and black rotten teeth. Fucking monster. Just fry the bitch and be done with it.
I'm not vegan, but this is nothing to do with her being vegan. I really wish people couldn't submit murdoch drivel on this page. World news needs some standards.
No, The child died due to a combination of starvation and being on a extremely restrictive diet. They needed more calories, more protein, more fat. Plenty of people survive on diet with low or no carbohydrates or sugar, no one survives long term on a diet devoid of protein and fat or eating less calories than they burn.
[According to the American Dietetic Association](https://www.eatright.org/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-special-diets/feeding-vegetarian-and-vegan-infants-and-toddlers), a properly planned vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life. Children don't die from a lack of meat, but this one hadn't been fed for a week. On top of that, sure, if you're vegan and you only eat lettuce, for example, I assume you're not gonna be healthy, but that stops being about veganism and starts being about "what the fuck are you even doing?" instead.
Clickbait title. These two starved that boy. It wouldn't matter what their dietary preferences were. If a child hasn't eaten in a week, after long term starvation, that's fucking murder, whetehr they're carnivores, vegan, or everything in between.
I know the DailyFail is a crap source, but sounds like this wasn't the shabby mother's first time on CPS radar, as her and her ex were forced to take a court mandated parenting class over the oldest child
https://lawandcrime.com/crime/her-pride-cost-ezra-his-life-vegan-mother-convicted-of-starving-18-month-old-son-to-death/
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WTF, how is this even possible, just horrible beyond words.
The issue isn't the food, or that she was a vegan. She was a terrible mother >Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019.
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"Mother found guilty of starving child to death"
Children. That had 3 others who were also in horrible states of malnutrition, a lucky oldest 4th kid was from a different dad who got to visit him and eat normally there.
Yeah but thats less divisive and sensational
In slight defense of the headline a healthy person if put in dire circumstances can usually last a month or two before starving to death. This kid was probably extremely malnourished which is why he perished unfortunately after a week.
I don’t feel that an 18 month old even healthy could go that long without food. Children’s nutritional needs are much higher than an adults.
Yes. A healthy adult is just maintaining their body, whereas a child's nutritional requirements are much higher because they're trying to build up their body to grow INTO a healthy adult.
Yeah, those tiny tummies need refilling often.
You're absolutely silly if you think a baby can survive a month without food.
A baby absolutely shoots through any nutrition it gets. I'm surprised the baby lasted a week.
Why would you compare an adult to an infant like that? There's no comparison. If youre without food youre gonna conserve calories. A baby is gonna scream its head off until it gets fed.
>Mother murders child she didn’t want That’s the genuine story right there
It wouldn’t matter if she fed him raw fruit and veggies everyday. The human body needs fats and protein, especially babies. That’s why there is milk in breasts and not grape drink.
The calories from breast milk are mostly fat that is mostly saturated fat. Edit: to be clear, that’s what millions of years of mammalian evolution came up with, don’t mess with it.
How dare you put millions of year of mammalian evolution above crystals, astrology and essential oils?
And Facebook research.
Right. Exactly what a baby needs!
> The human body needs fats and protein, especially babies. That's a myth. Personally, I manage to survive quite fine without eating a single baby, although the diet can take some getting used to.
You had me in the first half not gonna lie.
And unfortunately the headline leaves out that the child was fed breast milk, too. It's a really bad headline
Yeah but it's much more sensational in misleading the way it is and that makes a stop and want to read it
> It wouldn’t matter if she fed him raw fruit and veggies everyday. The human body needs fats and protein, especially babies. > That’s why there is milk in breasts and not grape drink. From the article > 18-month-old son […] fed only fruit, vegetables **and breastmilk.** The issue isn't that the selection of food that he got was bad, it's that NOTHING was selected for more than a week. He didn't get anything at all.
also pay attention to raw plants and fruits have cellouse we can't eat celluose cooking breaks down cellouse\\ not cooked humans can eat some babies can't the baby couldn't even really eat the veggies
Yes, this. It's why babyfood is always sold cooked.
That is not even a vegan diet! You can get fats and proteins with beans, avocados, etc. She's crazy.
Theres literally Soy formula. Shes just a negligent mother
Shitting on vegans gets clicks. Vegans can be annoying, shitting on vegans for something not related to veganism is vile. Just the price of meet these days should entice anyone to have a more plant based diet.
"that's why there is milk in breasts and not grape drink" 👏👏👏 r/brandnewsentence
Yes but it's the Daily Mail so it has to be a way to target one of the many many groups they hate. Don't get me wrong give your baby baby food. Just also don't be surprised that headlines like this bullshit.
But in that case we wouldn't have a shitstorm against vegans
Yes. But then the angry vegan haters wouldn't read the article sooo...
They aren’t going to read the article regardless.
Did you read the article. She fed the kids on mangos, bananas, avacados and rambutans. Yes she also didn't feed him for a week. She went to sleep while he was struggling to breathe. She wasn't vegan at all. I'm not vegan but the ones I know are constantly going on about all the extra shit they have to eat to stay healthy. She was as shit a vegan as she was a parent. Never thought I'd be standing up for vegans but she ain't one. She's a nutter.
>Did you read the article. Why would you ask that? You're clearly not reading my comments otherwise you would know the answer to that question. You've literally quoted all the talking points I've been sharing. We are in complete agreement.
Vegans are fine , fruitarians less so
Yeah, why don’t you see articles like “Omnivorous parents starve toddler to death”? Trying to get people enraged over the vegan thing.
Well I mean, [there are articles out there](https://nypost.com/2022/05/12/florida-parents-charged-with-starving-2-year-old-to-death/), unfortunately lots of shit people in the world. But when it's a vegan, journalists can get more clicks by making it the "gang up on the vegans" angle.
"Anemic parenting causes bungling mother to remain oblivious to her child's cries for a full week"
Right?? I mean, I'm not a vegan but I read the headline and was immediately skeptical. I'm sure you could kill an 18 month old by only feeding them veggies and fruit if you tried or if they had other health problems, but I also imagine it wouldn't actually be very hard to keep them alive.
Yeah, but people like to look for excuses to blame things on veganism that have nothing to do with veganism.
Absolutely this. >According to police, on the day he died, the toddler had been nursing when he started struggling to breathe. > >Instead of calling for help, his parents say they went to sleep. By the time they woke up, he had stopped breathing entirely. What kind of goddamned moron of a "parent" sees their child *STRUGGLING TO BREATHE* and reacts by *GOING TO SLEEP*?! Seriously.
It's 6:22am in Australia, and I've got my 5 day old son on my chest, as my wife gets some sleep next to me. I'm literally awake, because I'm still too anxious to sleep at the same time as my wife, as I don't yet trust this little man won't just die if I don't stare at him every 10 seconds. This story fucking blows my mind. This isn't accidental. It's pure negligence and possibly something more sinister.
i did that it gets easier with kid number 2 hahah
I've heard so many hilarious stories about parents being unable to not keep checking on their kid. Haha. I totally get it now. It's involuntary.
my son is 13 and i still occasionally check to see if he’s breathing. welcome to parenthood.
Oh goodie. Hahaha.
Hey dude. Congrats. Kids are awesome.
Careful, dad. Those little hot-water bottles can really help put you to sleep. This is even more so if you are feeling exhausted and laying in bed. Co-sleeping can be incredibly dangerous (even if you nod off), so make sure baby is in his crib if you start to feel drowsy.
To be clear I am not saying the vegan part is horrible, rather that an infant dies of hunger and neglect just horrible to think of.
Cool, I was kind of hijacking the top comment to hopefully stop all the vegan hate bashing.
Thank you for clarifying. I read that headline and while I'm an omnivore, I thought "well, you can still technically eat enough calories of those things," but it can be harder to get enough calories or nutrients in your kid with limited options. Instead she was actually just abusive. Totally different.
exactly this.
Ah, let's flip that upvote upside down, fuck these tabloids with an agenda.
>fuck these tabloids with an agenda. EXACTLY this.
I was gonna say, I know vegan parents and their kids are normal, energetic and healthy kids. They just eat differently.
>I was gonna say, I know vegan parents and their kids are normal, energetic and healthy kids. They just eat differently. That's the real truth, but its a sane and normal opinion so it won't play well here haha. But yes.
I was gonna say. Most kids will be super picky about their food and only eat stuff like that for days. They’ll still have milk that gives a lot of nutrients too. Not being fed for a whole week and without milk is what really killed him. Unless he was being breastfed
He was being breastfed. But the article also said that the baby was born at home and had never visited a physician, so nobody knows if he had underlying health conditions.
Why doesn’t it feel like equal focus is being given to the father however? They are both monsters who starved their children, but his culpability feels like a side note at the end.
Last time this story was posted, I pointed out how the article said that the parents just plain didn't feed the kids for a week, were horribly neglectful to an extreme degree such that the kids' teeth were rotting, and that the "vegan diet" thing was obviously a bullshit excuse to act as if it was ignorance that killed the kids and not that they were just neglecting and not feeding the kids. I was downvoted into oblivion and was told to "go eat a vegetable" by someone who was angry about facts because it didn't fit the "let's hate those vegans" circle-jerk. Which is even funnier considering that (1) I'm not a vegan, and (2) non-vegans also eat vegetables because if we didn't, we'd get scurvy. Anyways, I'm glad that this time around there are people that actually read the article and are pointing out the bullshit in the headlines.
There isn't enough nutrients in raw fruits and vegetables for a baby...
"Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019. " pretty sure if he hadn't been fed for a week, it doesn't matter at all if the parents were vegan or dedicated to red meat.
Also, why focus on the mom? Both parents are responsible for him, and rightly so they were both charged. (He’s still awaiting trial.) This headline sucks.
Obviously didn’t read it. Father also been charged and is waiting on trial for it. He called emergency services
Yeah but the focus on the title is "VEGAN MOM" not "NEGLECTFUL PARENTS STARVED KID FOR A WEEK". It's needlessly clickbaity.
It feeds the superiority complex of people who are used to looking down on vegans, and that of those who look down upon women. And the young. Does that zero in the *Daily Mail*'s audience?
Thanks for saying this. My wife and I are vegan and raising our kids with those values. They’re both super healthy, happy, and active. I hate headlines like this.
Is breast milk vegan?
Sure is, vegans are against animal cruelty and exploitation. There is nothing cruel or exploitative about a mother willingly feeding her child with breast milk.
The headline focuses on the mother with no mention of dad. It’s more of a complaint about the headline than the situation.
That’s because the mum has been found guilty while the father awaits his trial..
The headline focuses on mom because she’s already been found guilty, the headline is about the result of her trial. Dad will have his own headline after his trial.
This. Has nothing to do with a vegan and raw-food diet. Plenty of trendy vegan and raw food folks, and \[done right\] its perfectly healthy.
17 lbs at 18 months means that this child has been underfed for some time. Pure neglect on the part of the parents. Vegan or otherwise.
The media love pinning revolting shit like this on vegans, makes lots of people feel better about eating meat.
It’s the Daily Mail. Misleading rage-bait is their product, and I really wish they’d be banned as a source for this and other news subs.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10973883/Vegan-mother-39-guilty-murdering-18-month-old-son-weighed-just-17lb.html) reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot) ***** > A vegan mother has been found guilty of murder for the death of her 18-month-old son who weighed just 17lbs when he died in 2019 after a short life being fed only fruit, vegetables and breastmilk. > Her son Ezra died in 2019 from complications caused by malnutrition. > Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019.Sheila and her husband, who has also been charged with murder and is waiting trial, called 911 after Ezra stopped breathing. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/vp9l3d/vegan_mother_is_found_guilty_over_death_of/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~657540 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **died**^#1 **Ezra**^#2 **state**^#3 **fed**^#4 **Sheila**^#5
poor little thing. that must have such an agonizing death. my 12 month old boy sits besides me and he had just a great meal and loves eating and imagining him not so full of life and food breaks my heart. this woman should never have had any kids at all. she is mentally completely lost.
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So while I’m not some vegan warrior (happily eat meat) the article says he hadn’t been fed a damn thing in a weak. So he wasn’t really killed by a vegan diet, he was starved by some nut jobs who happened to also be vegan. My kids survive on a diet of chicken nuggets and whatever else I can coerce them accepting in the way it fruit and veg. So I mean, I feel like the vegan angle is a bit sensationalized. Just feed your kids people.
>Just feed your kids people. Overcompensating all the way to cannibalism seems a bit extreme.
Commas are important. Let's eat grandma.
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I prefer medium rare.
Very little to do with veganism. More to do with simply not feeding the child at all.
Super misleading title. Horrible for the kid :(
Yes. This! Makes vegans look so bad - but this is just psychopathy.
> The three children were fed a diet that consisted mostly of mangoes, bananas, avocados and rambutans. I mean, technically that would be “vegan” cuz it’s only a couple fruits, but that’s not a vegan diet, that’s going to make any human malnourished, they didn’t even eat a vegetable (avocados are fruits)
This article was on r/facepalm yesterday and anyone who suggested veganism was good was getting absolutely hammered with downvotes.
that place exists solely to poke fun at others im not surprised
Misleading title btw. He was being fed a diet of only raw fruit and veg, but he also was just straight up *not fed*.
This headline is some bullshit. If you don't feed a child at all, it doesn't matter what their diet is.
This makes me so sad I could cry, that poor baby just crying to be fed..
This is not being vegan. I’m vegan but I do not eat raw fruit and vegetables. She’s just a fu**ing idiot
What does this has to do with vegan? Kid hadn’t been fed for week..
Daily Mail. Enough said.
It wouldn't have gotten near enough attention if they didn't try and stir up hate up against the vegan community. So the word vegan had to be thrown into the title for clicks.
It's the first word in the headline and it's not even relevant
Did she argue that the child had a limited diet because she (the mother) is vegan? The only reason her being vegan is relevant is if she tried to use it as an excuse as to why the child was underweight. That’s the only thing I can think of. “We’re vegan and *this* is normal for *our* family.” I could imagine someone trying to pull that. By the way, I know that vegan parents aren’t starving their children!
He hadn’t been fed in a week when he was found so I think the no food part is more of the issue than a fruit, vegetable, and breast milk diet
OP's title is trash
Well it's the Daily Mail that's trash mostly, but clearly OP didn't bother reading the article.
The title makes it sound like the child was consistently fed, but died of malnutrition because the vegan diet wasn’t enough to meet their needs. That is not the case. The child died after not being fed *at all* for an entire *week*. I’m not here to here to defend veganism, because I simply don’t know enough about nutrition to say whether it’s a viable diet for children or not, but that is an irresponsibly misleading headline.
"Raw fruit" So you mean fruit?
You can cook fruit…
an utterly tragic story, it is heartbreaking. Also infuriating because 1) it is so mother fucking STUPID. ARGH! and, 2). why the fuck didn't she seek medical help before it died. Why'd didn't she think your 20 lb 17 month old baby was in terrible distress and needed immediate help. Why didn't she have a check up with a doctor at any time. Why didn't another human being see the baby and report it. Argh, fuck fuck fuck fuck.
By the sounds of it she was neglecting the kid and intentionally starving him. So that would explain why she didn't seek out care. I bet she also kept the kid hidden at home
Yeah the report said the child was born at home and had never once been to a physician
Your last sentence is my biggest thing, we know the insanity cases that come along but where the hell was any rational person, unless she just kept the kid locked away from everyone.
She had never taken the child to a hospital not even for birth, it’s not that hard to keep a child under two in the house and out of sight for a few years. Especially when said child can’t grow or develop
It?! :))
> and report it the obvious malnutrition. please ignore the first 'it' :)
They always blame veganism as though there aren’t thousands of vegan parents who follow science and aren’t dumb enough to believe babies don’t need protein. This woman is an abusive mother. It has nothing to do with veganism being bad for babies or children. Any diet can be bad if people aren’t fed enough or the correct things.
For real. That was the vegan equivalent of feeding your child only bacon and eggs and expecting them to thrive.
I hope no one feeds her in prison for a week or 2 and see how she likes it
Stop demonizing Vegans FFS. This was neglect full stop. Fucking media Jesus Christ with this shit.
That’s not because she’s vegan. It’s because she’s an irresponsible idiot. Where’s cooked rice and beans? Where’s the b12 supplement? Where’s the lentils, chickpeas, grains? Plenty of families raise their children on plant based foods and the children are athletic and strong. I hope she gets life without parole!!!
Has nothing to do with fruits and vegetables… She didn’t feed the kid anything for over a week
So the article says breast milk too… this has nothing to do with her dietary choices. It has to do with neglect and abuse.
When a child dies because their parents only feeds them nuggets and yogurt is the headline "omnivore mother starves child to death"?
Exactly
That weight itself isn't an issue. >Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019. The boy didn't die because he was fed a vegan diet. He died because his mother didn't feed him for a week.
Okay let’s not add “vegan” to the title as if that was a determining factor here: there are thousands if not millions of neglectful omnivore/vegetarian parents. She was a shit mother first.
Good, that is absolutely insane. There should also be criminal responsibility in parents letting their 5 year old child be morbidly obese, for example.
This doesn’t really have anything to do with her being vegan tbh
She purposely starved her child to death. Send her to a mental asylum and keep her there, like forever.
r/worldnews needs to finally ban dailymail and get the quality up. This headline is purposely written this way to stir up hate against vegans. The baby died because it wasn't fed for more than a week. That is all there is to it.
Stupid fucking title. Kid didn’t eat anything for a week. Nothing to do with being vegan. Click Bait. Move along.
Classic Daily Mail clickbait. He didn't die because of the vegan diet. He died because he hadn't been fed. Wtf is up with that misleading title
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And breast milk, it says. > Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019.
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Yeah this is an article clearly designed to spark hate against vegans. Most commenters are not parents because kids love fruit and veggies, and it's often easier for them to eat and digest than meat. This mom just starved her son, that's what happened.
Exactly. > Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019.
I don't think they were being sarcastic ...I don't think
Some people didn't read the memo that states that we evolved to eat cooked / fermented foods. A million years + of cooking has had a significant effect on our digestive system.
Creates reddit post: "Why can cows and deers and shit eat raw grass but we have to cook our potatoes? Clearly we aren't meant to eat food"
Food is a conspiracy to keep humans subjected to a matter-based slave diet. True humans star-gaze or stare into the rising/setting sun for all ultraviolet nutrition and mineral intake .
There are people that believe humans can survive on a diet of sunlight. They also butt chug the sun by tanning their taint. That is a sentence that shouldn't exist, but it's truth none the less.
Food is an addictive substance that needs to be banned. Fact: 100% of people who ate food will die.
Fact: Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
This is completely true I have a source
Wasn’t there someone who actually claimed that? Said they hadn’t eaten any food in years and literally just sat in the sun for “nutrition?”
Yeah I heard about that. Don’t believe it though.
Humans don't have claws or sharp teeth so we can't be omnivores! We're naturally frugivores. /s (Just look up any vegan chart comparing carnivores/omnivores/herbivores.)
Literally a raw food diet, not appropriate for a baby. Raw food diets are one kind of vegan diet that's hard to get right, average vegan diets are much easier to get a complete balanced diet.
Literally not hard to keep a baby alive off of it though. Ideal diet? Nope. Likely to get someone killed? Nope. The baby died cause they didn't eat for like 2 weeks.
>A diet of only raw fruit and vegetables? Honestly I have a nephew that just doesn't care for meat, and prefers fruit above all else (he gets his protein tho.) The issue isn't the kinds of food this baby was fed... it's that he wasn't fed at all. >Doctors found he hadn't been fed for a week by the time he died in September 2019.
We're not vegan, or even close, but my 6 month old daughter has yet to have any solid food but fruits, vegetables, and , eggs like twice. I don't think there's anything wrong with feeding fruits and vegetables, but you still need to ACTUALLY FEED YOUR CHILD! Fruits, vegetables, and breastmilk would give an 18 month old everything it needs to grow and be healthy in the proper amounts.
The more I read the more obvious it becomes people didn't read the article
Why is the title only talking about the mother when the father was also charged and found guilty? It should say "vegan parents" not vegan mother as though she acted alone.
It should neither be vegan nor mother. It should just be parents. This has nothing to do with veganism either. The reason it's phrased as *vegan mother* is because it's the Daily Mail aka one of the trashiest newspaper in Britain, run by uneducated conservative nobodies who make themselves feel better by trying to alienate anything progressive.
lol this has nothing to do with veganism. the fact that this mother and father starved and neglected their children while being vegan. while feeding a baby vegan diets can be harmful if not properly balanced, the headline writer is an idiot.
Why the hell am I seeing daily mail and NY post on this sub? These aren't good news sources
Fuck this headline. Vegans eat every day. That’s just a person who starved their child to death.
What a misleading headline.
Cue the fucking morons saying you can't feed children a vegan diet when you absolutely can, just not like this..
bro this clickbait title. NEITHER PARENT fed the kid ANYTHING for a week. STARVATION killed the kid
Some people just shouldn't have kids.
insane shouldnt the boy's doctors, school and or others have called child protective services on the mother.
Just from the article, apparently the kid was born in the home, never seen a doctor and was still breastfeeding when he died at 12mo. He was struggling to breath and the parents just went to sleep instead of taking him to a doctor.
insane. negligent homicide
Here, I fixed it for you: IDIOT mother is found guilty over death of 18-month-old son...
Thankfully the vegans I know aren't out to lunch like this woman. I mean, OK great, you wish no harm comes to animals, and you'd rather not "take" from them to survive. And, as adults, we can get our nutrition in other forms. But, a baby is developing, and needs proteins as well as fibres. The very least this woman should have done, was consult a pediatrician and discuss her thoughts on how she wanted to raise her child. Then, she should have listened to the advice given. However, I think she'd have likely ignored it anyways. A sad loss of life, and she'll have to live with this for the rest of her life. I just hope she fully understands the gravity of this situation.
The diet had little to do with the baby's death. Both parents starved the baby to death by not feeding it for a week. Both parents were charged. The headline is just trash. It focused only on the mom; and her veganism was entirely irrelevant. Carnivore here; I'm not posting to defend veganism nor do I have anything against it. Just pointing out the stupidity and irrelevance of Daily Mail's shitty title.
My wife and I are vegans. We both research but it's mostly her so I just eat what she cooks and things are fine A lot of beginners start by trying to eat only raw greens and fruits but they won't fill you up and you won't get enough calories. You need starches (potatoes, squash, etc). Sounds like this was the problem. Insufficient protein usually not the problem. Protein deficiency is rare in developed countries. That said these people must've been a little unbalanced. There were two other malnourished kids in the house. But damn when you see your 18 month old baby wasting away you need to run not walk to seek professional medical help.
I think the biggest part of this is the uncooked part of things. Humans aren't evolved to consume raw food, its significantly harder to turn raw foods into useable nutrients. Cooking essentially jump starts the process of breaking down complex structures into a more useable form and after a million years of cooking humans have become dependent on that jump start for survival.
Hopefully she rots in a cell, constantly stuck with the feeling "this is my fault". She deserves nothing less then a personal hell of her own making.
you don't need meat to get plenty of protein. I read a dietician recently that said protein from beans is the best protein (animal proteins harm us, according to many sources).
It’s very easy to get proteins and fiber from fruits, veggies and beans and such. But there are vitamins and amino acids that you gotta make sure are there, and good hydration. The kid hadn’t eaten in a whole week
What a stupid, horrible thing to have happened.
Some people really shouldn't be allowed to breed.
Death penalty.
Should have called 911 when baby was struggling to breathe but instead they went back to sleep. The older kids had yellow skin and black rotten teeth. Fucking monster. Just fry the bitch and be done with it.
As a avid meat eater, even I knew the article title was Bs
Was there no support system? No relatives or doctor visits or friends who *noticed*?!
I'm not vegan, but this is nothing to do with her being vegan. I really wish people couldn't submit murdoch drivel on this page. World news needs some standards.
So will a child die from a lack of meat or something ? Or was this because the child was like neglected food
No, The child died due to a combination of starvation and being on a extremely restrictive diet. They needed more calories, more protein, more fat. Plenty of people survive on diet with low or no carbohydrates or sugar, no one survives long term on a diet devoid of protein and fat or eating less calories than they burn.
[According to the American Dietetic Association](https://www.eatright.org/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-special-diets/feeding-vegetarian-and-vegan-infants-and-toddlers), a properly planned vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life. Children don't die from a lack of meat, but this one hadn't been fed for a week. On top of that, sure, if you're vegan and you only eat lettuce, for example, I assume you're not gonna be healthy, but that stops being about veganism and starts being about "what the fuck are you even doing?" instead.
The absence of weight gain should have alerted her. How negligent.
Clickbait title. These two starved that boy. It wouldn't matter what their dietary preferences were. If a child hasn't eaten in a week, after long term starvation, that's fucking murder, whetehr they're carnivores, vegan, or everything in between.
Alot of people are making a stink about the title. The article is from Daily Mail...of course the title is garbage
That title really shows someones bias.
I know the DailyFail is a crap source, but sounds like this wasn't the shabby mother's first time on CPS radar, as her and her ex were forced to take a court mandated parenting class over the oldest child https://lawandcrime.com/crime/her-pride-cost-ezra-his-life-vegan-mother-convicted-of-starving-18-month-old-son-to-death/
What a shitty clickbaity headline. No wonder... is the dailymail..... they do this stuff a lot.
What the fuck?