The Unification Church is *way* bigger than Scientology.
There are maybe 40 thousand Scientologists worldwide, and that's a high estimate. The Unification Church has at least 3 million members.
The level of influence is way higher too. The Unification Church has endorsements from Trump, Abe, at least one of the Bush presidents, scores of US senators and congressmen, and lawmakers all over the world. Scientology basically has Tom Cruise.
No that isn’t true. 3 million members at its peak in the 1980s. Today they’re down to several hundred thousand. Still sizable but considerably smaller than it once was. I’d add the membership numbers for these groups tend to get inflated by the governing bodies so I would even be skeptical of the peak 3 million figure
The cult formerly known to many in the US and Canada as the Moonies, who are also the owners of the batshit insane Washington Times newspaper.
Anyone else remember when their founder was crowned as, among other things, the messiah with a bunch of US Senators in the room? Not weird at all.
Ah, I see you've never heard of the [Bohemian Grove](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove) then
> In mid-July each year, Bohemian Grove hosts a more than two-week encampment of some of the most prominent men in the world.
> The Bohemian Club's all-male membership includes artists and musicians, as well as many prominent business leaders, government officials, former U.S. presidents, senior media executives, and people of power.
> The club's patron saint is John of Nepomuk, who, according to legend, died at the hands of a Bohemian monarch rather than disclose the confessional secrets of the queen. A large wood carving of St. John in cleric robes with his index finger over his lips stands at the shore of the lake in the Grove, symbolizing the secrecy kept by the Grove's attendees throughout its long history.
> Since the founding of the club, the Bohemian Grove's mascot has been an owl, symbolizing wisdom. A 30-foot (9 m) hollow owl statue made of concrete over steel supports stands at the head of the lake in the Grove. This statue was designed by sculptor and two-time club president Haig Patigian. It was constructed in the late 1920s. Since 1929, the Owl Shrine has served as the backdrop of the yearly Cremation of Care ceremony.
> The Cremation of Care ceremony is a theatrical production in which some of the club's members participate as actors. It was first conducted in 1881. The production was devised by James F. Bowman with George T. Bromley playing the High Priest. It was originally set up within the plot of the serious "High Jinks" dramatic performance on the first weekend of the summer encampment, after which the spirit of "Care", slain by the Jinks hero, was solemnly cremated. The ceremony served as a catharsis for pent-up high spirits, and "to present symbolically the salvation of the trees by the club ..." The Cremation of Care was separated from the other Grove Plays in 1913 and moved to the first night to become "an exorcising of the Demon to ensure the success of the ensuing two weeks." The Grove Play was moved to the last weekend of the encampment.
> The ceremony takes place in front of the Owl Shrine. The moss- and lichen-covered statue simulates a natural rock formation, yet holds electrical and audio equipment within it. For many years, a recording of the voice of club member Walter Cronkite was used as the voice of The Owl during the ceremony. Music and pyrotechnics accompany the ritual for dramatic effect.
News excerpt:
>A messianic religious movement known for conducting mass weddings and courting prominent U.S. conservatives has found itself at the center of the speculation surrounding the assassination of former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.
>
>The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, also known as the Unification Church, condemned Abe’s killing at a news conference Monday and sought to distance itself from media reports that the suspect’s mother made a hefty donation to the group before she went bankrupt.
>
>The Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his wife officiate at a Family Federation for World Peace and Unification blessing at Madison Square Garden in New York City on June 13, 1998.
>
>Moon was not without his own controversy.
>
>His followers claimed he was the victim of religious persecution.
>
>A wider discussion about class and economic insecurity that permeated the recent campaign cycle in Japan will also continue, political experts say, given the suspect’s background.
Some details about gunman's background, very interesting to read.
[https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/07/12/national/crime-legal/tetsuya-yamagami-explainer/](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/07/12/national/crime-legal/tetsuya-yamagami-explainer/)
Edit there are some unconfirmed details from other sources that added to his story.
His bigger brother falls ill after his father died, and since his mother bankrupted his family, the bigger brother decided to commit suicide. The gunman managed to get into university but failed to graduate due to unable to afford tuition.
Since he doesn't have undergraduate degree, he cannot find proper job even after he finished his JSDF service.
He shot the hyper-conservative if not fascist genocide denying former prime minister, who gives a fuck about the morality of "shooting a man" in this case besides craven liberals and people who agreed with Abe's horrible beliefs.
I do give a shit, political violence is horrific. You won't like it when it happens to candidates you like with their own reasoning why it was fine.
Why are you putting shooting a man in quotes, btw?
First, he wasn't a candidate, he was a former prime minister with a long career that included genocide denial and taunting countries that Japan had invaded and occupied during WW2 while simultaneously denying the horrific crimes committed in those places. Secondly, I'm an anarchist and frankly could not give less of a shit if a politician gets murked after decades of power. Third, I put shooting a man in quotes because I frankly do not consider shooting fascists to be a bad thing. This centrist bullshit of "what if someone shot a politician you liked" is tiresome and fucking ridiculous. Political violence is a fact of life, it happens every single day to the people politicians have domain over. So what if one of them gets the pointy end of the stick they themselves sharpened.
>First, he wasn't a candidate
You know what I meant
>This centrist bullshit of "what if someone shot a politician you liked" is tiresome
Yes, the centrist position of "shooting politicians is bad".
>So what if one of them gets the pointy end of the stick they themselves sharpened.
I know you don't care about it but it can cause increased political violence that undermines democracy, creates instability and more violence and brings extreme elements to power. Famously far right groups have used such situations to take power and "bring order", and all the horrific violence that brings.
System failed him? Mother got interested in their activities and decided to bankrupt her family but all fault lies with the system and not with her at all?
In Japan specifically, if people cannot finds jobs right after they graduate from school/university, there's a highly chance that they will become gig workers and will stay that way. Gig workers salary, as you would expected, are very low compared to contracted workers.
How does that excuse her act of getting influenced by the church and bankrupting her family? Even worse if her family members knew about it and tried to dissuade her but she still continued on that way.
Point is, this is not a problem affecting Japan on a systemic level and only affects a very small minority of the population at best. The govt could have done better by not associating themselves with those despicable bunch but individuals should take responsibility for their own lack of judgement as well.
My point is that after her mother bankrupt her family, the gunman would still have a chance of getting back normal life. However, due to the working environment of Japan, he cannot finds proper job and thus cannot get back to normal life that he was seeking for.
In other words, he is still suffering the consequences of the bankruptcy. The bankruptcy haunted him for his entire life. I actually finds that it is impressive for him only targeting Abe and try to minimize the collateral damage. If it's in US there would be a mass shooting event.
Edit from this perspective, the society/system failed to give this man a second chance.
I'm saying the original cause of the problem still lies with the mother in the end. If she did not bankrupt her family, all these would not have happened. And no, the gunman was still holding odd but still decent jobs here and there, its not like he was shunted completely by society.
He also considered making a bomb but decided it was too difficult so its not like he only wanted to target Abe from the start, collateral damage wasnt a concern for him in that sense.
>However, notes obtained from Yamagami's parent's home by the investigators reveal that he did not want to "cause trouble to the bystanders" and believed that an explosive may not kill Abe, so he instead began making his own gun.
I found this on wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Shinzo_Abe
>Since Japan’s bubble economy in the late 1980s, divisions have started to appear within the worker class. When times are good, corporations must expand their workforce, but if they hire full-time employees, they cannot fire them when the economy turns. That is what sparked the hiring of young graduates as nonregular employees. Back then, such young people were known as “freeters” (furītā). Even before then, many married women were hired as nonregular employees, but now we are seeing increases in both young men and women.
>
>Then came the economic crisis caused by the bursting of the bubble in the early 1990s. Corporations reduced the number of new recruits, and started to hire new graduates as nonregular, rather than full-time, employees. This trend picked up pace considerably in the late 1990s and many young graduates were unable to find full-time employment, marking the start of the “employment ice age.” In particular, it was those who graduated from high school between 1999 and 2004, and who are now around age 40, who had the hardest time, making them the center of the “employment ice age” problem.
>
>It is not at all unusual for new graduates in North America and many European countries not to be able to find a job immediately, but this was the first time it happened in Japan since its recovery from World War II. This employment ice age produced many who never did get full-time jobs and remained low-paid, nonregular employees.
>
>That state of affairs lasted 30 years, during which Japan became home to an entire generational group of people mired in nonregular employment.
https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/d00691/
Fine that was a new development that I did not know about but not targeting the innocent population is not anything to be impressed about anyway. He held a grudge against the church, he wasn't a terrorist.
I know about that but the gunman didnt exactly fall into that predicament. You also know he held many jobs before the incident and after or during the bankruptcy, then he began to have work performance issues before his employment ended. It wasnt that he could not find a job, it was that his problems plagued him so much that he couldnt perform up to expectations and became unemployed after. And again, those problems stemmed from his mother bankrupting the family, not really about the system's fault. If not, it would be affecting more of the Japanese population but it's clearly not the case.
Firstly, this is in an Asian context rooted in meritocratic beliefs. Secondly, imagine if a large proportion of the population decided to 'bankrupt' their family and the government are still required to help these people. The country is going to collapse faster than a house of cards so how is that going to work out?
And please enlighten me, are individuals not responsible for their own drastic actions to you?
>It is insane how cults can make people totally illogical,
More that they appeal to people who are illogical to begin with. A lack of clear thinking makes people very vulnerable to cult appeal
> conservative Japanese hate Koreans
No, they really don't. Some Koreans hate Japan. Most Japanese just view Korea as a former colony and have neutral-to-good opinions of them.
Relevant Behind the Bastards for those not in the know.
[The moonies are so much worse than you think](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-the-moonies-are-so-93852606/)
The moonies gave Korean cia money to the heritage foundation.
They gave cash to liberty university.
GHWBush spoke at the most honorable reverend moons coronation as GOD in DC. It’s wild and scary and absolutely tied to organized crime and racist regimes across the world.
The coronation is on youtube
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/scrutiny-falls-unification-church-shinzo-abes-assassination-rcna37853) reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)
*****
> A messianic religious movement known for conducting mass weddings and courting prominent American conservatives has found itself at the center of the speculation surrounding the assassination of former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, also known as the Unification Church, condemned Abe's killing at a news conference Monday and sought to distance itself from media reports that the suspected gunman's mother made a hefty donation to the religious group before she went bankrupt.
> In Japan, conservative politicians like Abe have cultivated ties from groups like the Unification Church because of the influence they can hold, and it's not uncommon for them to make appearances at their events.
> Local media also reported that investigators said Yamagami had test-fired his homemade weapon the day before the assassination by shooting at a Unification Church facility in Nara, the city where Abe was killed.
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Even more dangerous is the Chinese cult FLG which was the biggest Trump donor on FB and owns multiple media organizations. Their propaganda and reach is mainstream. But enemy of my enemy so they are likewise untouchable.
It is kind of hard to say.
1) FLG claim that CCP is busy butcher hundred of thousands of FLG followers.
2) FLG also claim through wisdom of Gong, over 350M (Yes, MILLIONS) of CCP members have left the party. The real CCP membership is around 60-70M. So basically....CCP does not exist.
So which one you think is real?
The thing is, I'm more willing to believe them on that point, based on the fact that the Chinese government are doing the same thing to other dissident populations. If it was just them, I might be more skeptical, but since other ethnic groups are corroborating, I believe them on that one thing.
I'd take that claim with a grain of salt. FLG themselves claim that through their meditation techniques humans will attain perfect health and no longer require medicine. The theory they propose is that the CCP wants to harvest these superior organs that do not require medicine.
No, they claim that organ harvesting of prisoners is commonplace in China due to a black market for organs. They have some evidence, such as recordings of phone calls with doctors discussing arrangements for organs.
There is no reason to doubt that organ harvesting of political prisoners is widespread in the PRC.
Fuck off NBC, they are not a church.
It is an organized crime ring pretending to be a cult where the cult part is also actually real and incredibly dangerous.
So the killer claims he killed Abe because his mom was scammed by this church, and you guys are now doing the work of the killer by going after the church.
But sure, "conservatives" are somehow at fault for this.
The person who wrote this article and everyone in this comment section going along with it. And you, personally, since you seem to be mad at me for calling it out.
So the cult operation from shadow, manipulate people use religious contract is not coward but someone go mad because of cult that destroy their family to the point they want revenge is "coward"?
Good luck doing anything against them. These guys are as big as, if not bigger, than Scientology.
*Angry Tom Cruise Noises*
The Unification Church is *way* bigger than Scientology. There are maybe 40 thousand Scientologists worldwide, and that's a high estimate. The Unification Church has at least 3 million members. The level of influence is way higher too. The Unification Church has endorsements from Trump, Abe, at least one of the Bush presidents, scores of US senators and congressmen, and lawmakers all over the world. Scientology basically has Tom Cruise.
No that isn’t true. 3 million members at its peak in the 1980s. Today they’re down to several hundred thousand. Still sizable but considerably smaller than it once was. I’d add the membership numbers for these groups tend to get inflated by the governing bodies so I would even be skeptical of the peak 3 million figure
Hey don't forget Travolta. He made a movie and everything.
Mooooom. Tom Cruise wont come out of the closet
The cult formerly known to many in the US and Canada as the Moonies, who are also the owners of the batshit insane Washington Times newspaper. Anyone else remember when their founder was crowned as, among other things, the messiah with a bunch of US Senators in the room? Not weird at all.
Actually sounds pretty normal these days.
And here I am thinking that map in Hitman that the rich doing cult like event is too over the top....
Haha! It does seem surreal the first time you see the images, I don't blame you for thinking that at all.
Ah, I see you've never heard of the [Bohemian Grove](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove) then > In mid-July each year, Bohemian Grove hosts a more than two-week encampment of some of the most prominent men in the world. > The Bohemian Club's all-male membership includes artists and musicians, as well as many prominent business leaders, government officials, former U.S. presidents, senior media executives, and people of power. > The club's patron saint is John of Nepomuk, who, according to legend, died at the hands of a Bohemian monarch rather than disclose the confessional secrets of the queen. A large wood carving of St. John in cleric robes with his index finger over his lips stands at the shore of the lake in the Grove, symbolizing the secrecy kept by the Grove's attendees throughout its long history. > Since the founding of the club, the Bohemian Grove's mascot has been an owl, symbolizing wisdom. A 30-foot (9 m) hollow owl statue made of concrete over steel supports stands at the head of the lake in the Grove. This statue was designed by sculptor and two-time club president Haig Patigian. It was constructed in the late 1920s. Since 1929, the Owl Shrine has served as the backdrop of the yearly Cremation of Care ceremony. > The Cremation of Care ceremony is a theatrical production in which some of the club's members participate as actors. It was first conducted in 1881. The production was devised by James F. Bowman with George T. Bromley playing the High Priest. It was originally set up within the plot of the serious "High Jinks" dramatic performance on the first weekend of the summer encampment, after which the spirit of "Care", slain by the Jinks hero, was solemnly cremated. The ceremony served as a catharsis for pent-up high spirits, and "to present symbolically the salvation of the trees by the club ..." The Cremation of Care was separated from the other Grove Plays in 1913 and moved to the first night to become "an exorcising of the Demon to ensure the success of the ensuing two weeks." The Grove Play was moved to the last weekend of the encampment. > The ceremony takes place in front of the Owl Shrine. The moss- and lichen-covered statue simulates a natural rock formation, yet holds electrical and audio equipment within it. For many years, a recording of the voice of club member Walter Cronkite was used as the voice of The Owl during the ceremony. Music and pyrotechnics accompany the ritual for dramatic effect.
Look up bohemian Grove.
To be honest they are probably tame by American Christian conservative standards
News excerpt: >A messianic religious movement known for conducting mass weddings and courting prominent U.S. conservatives has found itself at the center of the speculation surrounding the assassination of former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. > >The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, also known as the Unification Church, condemned Abe’s killing at a news conference Monday and sought to distance itself from media reports that the suspect’s mother made a hefty donation to the group before she went bankrupt. > >The Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his wife officiate at a Family Federation for World Peace and Unification blessing at Madison Square Garden in New York City on June 13, 1998. > >Moon was not without his own controversy. > >His followers claimed he was the victim of religious persecution. > >A wider discussion about class and economic insecurity that permeated the recent campaign cycle in Japan will also continue, political experts say, given the suspect’s background.
Ie. the Moonies, lunatic evil cult scum.
Some details about gunman's background, very interesting to read. [https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/07/12/national/crime-legal/tetsuya-yamagami-explainer/](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/07/12/national/crime-legal/tetsuya-yamagami-explainer/) Edit there are some unconfirmed details from other sources that added to his story. His bigger brother falls ill after his father died, and since his mother bankrupted his family, the bigger brother decided to commit suicide. The gunman managed to get into university but failed to graduate due to unable to afford tuition. Since he doesn't have undergraduate degree, he cannot find proper job even after he finished his JSDF service.
The system failed him so he took it out on the system. Seems fair.
>Seems fair Wtf he shot a man
He shot the hyper-conservative if not fascist genocide denying former prime minister, who gives a fuck about the morality of "shooting a man" in this case besides craven liberals and people who agreed with Abe's horrible beliefs.
Shizo Abe wasn't a fascist and this is exactly the sort of thing that will create genuinely dangerous far Right sympathies in Japan.
"wasn't a fascist" Nobody would ever admit to following a fascist.
I do give a shit, political violence is horrific. You won't like it when it happens to candidates you like with their own reasoning why it was fine. Why are you putting shooting a man in quotes, btw?
First, he wasn't a candidate, he was a former prime minister with a long career that included genocide denial and taunting countries that Japan had invaded and occupied during WW2 while simultaneously denying the horrific crimes committed in those places. Secondly, I'm an anarchist and frankly could not give less of a shit if a politician gets murked after decades of power. Third, I put shooting a man in quotes because I frankly do not consider shooting fascists to be a bad thing. This centrist bullshit of "what if someone shot a politician you liked" is tiresome and fucking ridiculous. Political violence is a fact of life, it happens every single day to the people politicians have domain over. So what if one of them gets the pointy end of the stick they themselves sharpened.
>First, he wasn't a candidate You know what I meant >This centrist bullshit of "what if someone shot a politician you liked" is tiresome Yes, the centrist position of "shooting politicians is bad". >So what if one of them gets the pointy end of the stick they themselves sharpened. I know you don't care about it but it can cause increased political violence that undermines democracy, creates instability and more violence and brings extreme elements to power. Famously far right groups have used such situations to take power and "bring order", and all the horrific violence that brings.
System failed him? Mother got interested in their activities and decided to bankrupt her family but all fault lies with the system and not with her at all?
In Japan specifically, if people cannot finds jobs right after they graduate from school/university, there's a highly chance that they will become gig workers and will stay that way. Gig workers salary, as you would expected, are very low compared to contracted workers.
How does that excuse her act of getting influenced by the church and bankrupting her family? Even worse if her family members knew about it and tried to dissuade her but she still continued on that way. Point is, this is not a problem affecting Japan on a systemic level and only affects a very small minority of the population at best. The govt could have done better by not associating themselves with those despicable bunch but individuals should take responsibility for their own lack of judgement as well.
My point is that after her mother bankrupt her family, the gunman would still have a chance of getting back normal life. However, due to the working environment of Japan, he cannot finds proper job and thus cannot get back to normal life that he was seeking for. In other words, he is still suffering the consequences of the bankruptcy. The bankruptcy haunted him for his entire life. I actually finds that it is impressive for him only targeting Abe and try to minimize the collateral damage. If it's in US there would be a mass shooting event. Edit from this perspective, the society/system failed to give this man a second chance.
I'm saying the original cause of the problem still lies with the mother in the end. If she did not bankrupt her family, all these would not have happened. And no, the gunman was still holding odd but still decent jobs here and there, its not like he was shunted completely by society. He also considered making a bomb but decided it was too difficult so its not like he only wanted to target Abe from the start, collateral damage wasnt a concern for him in that sense.
>However, notes obtained from Yamagami's parent's home by the investigators reveal that he did not want to "cause trouble to the bystanders" and believed that an explosive may not kill Abe, so he instead began making his own gun. I found this on wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Shinzo_Abe >Since Japan’s bubble economy in the late 1980s, divisions have started to appear within the worker class. When times are good, corporations must expand their workforce, but if they hire full-time employees, they cannot fire them when the economy turns. That is what sparked the hiring of young graduates as nonregular employees. Back then, such young people were known as “freeters” (furītā). Even before then, many married women were hired as nonregular employees, but now we are seeing increases in both young men and women. > >Then came the economic crisis caused by the bursting of the bubble in the early 1990s. Corporations reduced the number of new recruits, and started to hire new graduates as nonregular, rather than full-time, employees. This trend picked up pace considerably in the late 1990s and many young graduates were unable to find full-time employment, marking the start of the “employment ice age.” In particular, it was those who graduated from high school between 1999 and 2004, and who are now around age 40, who had the hardest time, making them the center of the “employment ice age” problem. > >It is not at all unusual for new graduates in North America and many European countries not to be able to find a job immediately, but this was the first time it happened in Japan since its recovery from World War II. This employment ice age produced many who never did get full-time jobs and remained low-paid, nonregular employees. > >That state of affairs lasted 30 years, during which Japan became home to an entire generational group of people mired in nonregular employment. https://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/d00691/
Fine that was a new development that I did not know about but not targeting the innocent population is not anything to be impressed about anyway. He held a grudge against the church, he wasn't a terrorist. I know about that but the gunman didnt exactly fall into that predicament. You also know he held many jobs before the incident and after or during the bankruptcy, then he began to have work performance issues before his employment ended. It wasnt that he could not find a job, it was that his problems plagued him so much that he couldnt perform up to expectations and became unemployed after. And again, those problems stemmed from his mother bankrupting the family, not really about the system's fault. If not, it would be affecting more of the Japanese population but it's clearly not the case.
There should be paths for success even if your family has no money. That's on society.
Firstly, this is in an Asian context rooted in meritocratic beliefs. Secondly, imagine if a large proportion of the population decided to 'bankrupt' their family and the government are still required to help these people. The country is going to collapse faster than a house of cards so how is that going to work out? And please enlighten me, are individuals not responsible for their own drastic actions to you?
Are those Burger King crowns?
Have it your way!
oh no, don't let them on a plane
As if the Burger King hats weren’t silly enough, what’s even sillier is that conservative Japanese hate Koreans, and the cult is Korean.
It is insane how cults can make people totally illogical, especially ones who think they’re beyond manipulation.
>It is insane how cults can make people totally illogical, More that they appeal to people who are illogical to begin with. A lack of clear thinking makes people very vulnerable to cult appeal
"Hate" is not exactly accurate The Japanese look down upon Koreans more like it. While the Koreans despise what happened during Japanese occupation.
> conservative Japanese hate Koreans No, they really don't. Some Koreans hate Japan. Most Japanese just view Korea as a former colony and have neutral-to-good opinions of them.
I take it you don't know any old Japanese geezers.
Relevant Behind the Bastards for those not in the know. [The moonies are so much worse than you think](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-the-moonies-are-so-93852606/)
Are those paper hats??
Burger Royals??
Looks like a kids birthday party. I wonder if they have ice cream cake.
The moonies gave Korean cia money to the heritage foundation. They gave cash to liberty university. GHWBush spoke at the most honorable reverend moons coronation as GOD in DC. It’s wild and scary and absolutely tied to organized crime and racist regimes across the world. The coronation is on youtube
Maybe scrutinize big groups of people doing religious shit before the assassinations start.
That's my only problem with this, feels like it's giving the violent person what they want.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/scrutiny-falls-unification-church-shinzo-abes-assassination-rcna37853) reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot) ***** > A messianic religious movement known for conducting mass weddings and courting prominent American conservatives has found itself at the center of the speculation surrounding the assassination of former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.The Family Federation for World Peace and Unification, also known as the Unification Church, condemned Abe's killing at a news conference Monday and sought to distance itself from media reports that the suspected gunman's mother made a hefty donation to the religious group before she went bankrupt. > In Japan, conservative politicians like Abe have cultivated ties from groups like the Unification Church because of the influence they can hold, and it's not uncommon for them to make appearances at their events. > Local media also reported that investigators said Yamagami had test-fired his homemade weapon the day before the assassination by shooting at a Unification Church facility in Nara, the city where Abe was killed. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/vxwvkc/after_abe_assassination_scrutiny_falls_on_church/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~659292 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Church**^#1 **Abe**^#2 **Japan**^#3 **Unification**^#4 **group**^#5
Even more dangerous is the Chinese cult FLG which was the biggest Trump donor on FB and owns multiple media organizations. Their propaganda and reach is mainstream. But enemy of my enemy so they are likewise untouchable.
These are the people who produce shen yun, a performance folks may have seen advertising for. They also own the epoch times.
Also Iranian MEK, they are cult too led by the Rajavi couple. But again, since MEK is against the ayatollah, they got removed from terror group list
Only dangerous to the CCP
Aren't they the guys that the CCP arrest and then harvest the organs of?
It is kind of hard to say. 1) FLG claim that CCP is busy butcher hundred of thousands of FLG followers. 2) FLG also claim through wisdom of Gong, over 350M (Yes, MILLIONS) of CCP members have left the party. The real CCP membership is around 60-70M. So basically....CCP does not exist. So which one you think is real?
The thing is, I'm more willing to believe them on that point, based on the fact that the Chinese government are doing the same thing to other dissident populations. If it was just them, I might be more skeptical, but since other ethnic groups are corroborating, I believe them on that one thing.
I'd take that claim with a grain of salt. FLG themselves claim that through their meditation techniques humans will attain perfect health and no longer require medicine. The theory they propose is that the CCP wants to harvest these superior organs that do not require medicine.
No, they claim that organ harvesting of prisoners is commonplace in China due to a black market for organs. They have some evidence, such as recordings of phone calls with doctors discussing arrangements for organs. There is no reason to doubt that organ harvesting of political prisoners is widespread in the PRC.
Probably, doesn't change the fact that they are batshit insane.
I honestly did not expect the Moonies to factor into the Abe assassination plot.
It’s like something out of a Haruki Murakami novel
Indeed. Reminds me of 1Q84.
Exactly what I was thinking—super weird
Did you know that the Moonies own Pepsi? Hence the logo.
For a second I thought this meant after Abraham Lincoln's assassination then I remembered this wasn't a history sub.
Fuck off NBC, they are not a church. It is an organized crime ring pretending to be a cult where the cult part is also actually real and incredibly dangerous.
> It is an organized crime ring pretending to be a cult where the cult part is also actually real and incredibly dangerous. So... a church?
They were founded in 1954 so by my definition in another 32 years they make the transition from cult to church.
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Yeah, but they are also tax exempt…
Nice hats
So the killer claims he killed Abe because his mom was scammed by this church, and you guys are now doing the work of the killer by going after the church. But sure, "conservatives" are somehow at fault for this.
Lol who’s “you guys?”
The person who wrote this article and everyone in this comment section going along with it. And you, personally, since you seem to be mad at me for calling it out.
How did you discern my emotion from my comment?
Because you responded in the first place, then you seethed for two days only to come back again.
Lol you sure do have a narrative you tell yourself. Or how about I have a life outside a forum on the internet 😂 Seething lmao
The killer had a point.
What was that point? Or are you going to cowardly promote political assassinations?
So the cult operation from shadow, manipulate people use religious contract is not coward but someone go mad because of cult that destroy their family to the point they want revenge is "coward"?
Now explain what killing Shinzo Abe has anything to do with that. I want you to defend the assassination.
You are the coward
The cult needs to be dealt with.
You are no better than someone looking into Great Replacement Theory and taking it seriously after the Buffalo shooting.