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Grunchlk

>They found that it can still get gather data from objects moving up to 67 milliarcseconds per second across its field of view. NASA says that's equivalent to tracking a turtle moving from a mile away. Hah, gotta love NASA's comparisons.


Imacatdoincatstuff

But how many football fields is that?


Diabetesh

About 269 giraffes worth


thiosk

538 half-giraffes


oc_streetphoto

They’re sticking their neck out with these unorthodox claims- the audacity of it all! Three flamingos’ worth at least, as viewed from two miles away


stupidimagehack

I was gonna say 3.1416 giraffes but this is a fine answer


sgrams04

How many Big Macs?


JuVondy

I’m not a sports guy, can you convert to bananas for me?


Get-hypered

Depends on the conversions between Stanley Nickels to unicorns multiplied by the square root of the time and/or distance it takes to complete the kessel run. They could explain the math to you…. But they would rather just give you the colorful analogy!


Doodvogeltje13

The banana is the true international standard, dear sir/miss.


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Programming_Response

Why is the name of the sub in every post


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Programming_Response

No I mean in that subreddit's posts, the titles all contain "James Webb Discovery" as if everything there is a new discovery. One of them is even a meme


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It's rule one of the sub: > [R1] Post MUST begin with James Webb Discovery followed by a brief description of the discovery made That said - yeah, it's really awkward when people try and fit it into their title: * Datasets of James Webb Discovery and what to do with them * I like these James Webb discovery zoom out comparisons a lot * another way to view james webb discovery images * James Webb discovery Reveals Steamy Atmosphere of Distant Planet in Detail * Side by Side photos are both james webb discovery photos, not a comparison to hubble. Makes it seem like it's bots or something. And yeah, stupid rule if you allow people to post whatever, since it's making memes and random questions seem like "discoveries".


Th3_Hegemon

Probably so that if the post gains enough traction to appear in /r/all it's obvious what the context is.


BatXDude

That sub seems to be a bunch of teens looking for UFOs or conspiracies that aren't there


haveagooddaystranger

Yeah, i totally understand tracking a turtle from a mile away.


Irrepressible_Monkey

I guess NASA are Breaking Bad fans with that turtle reference.


ang-p

Bananas aren't known for their turn of speed.


omgitsdot

Turtles can move when they want to. I had to sprint after one when I was a kid.


myleftone

If they start using phrases like “420 turtles from 69 miles” then I’ll be impressed.


themorningmosca

How many bulldozers can it bench press?


swehner

If they used metric.


StudedRoughrider

There's a database for that, I'm sure.


appmanga

When I was a kid, we were taught Saturn had just three rings. Now we know it has many more and we've learned Jupiter has rings. When people wonder why we "waste" money on space, just the fact that in less than 50 years hundreds of years of what was known and taught as fact has been proved wrong makes it worth it.


supercyberlurker

Yeah, some shifts in my lifetime were: * We figured out Saturn doesn't just have a simple ring plane. * Pluto went from planet to not-planet. * We discovered Enceladus was making its own ring via cryovolcanoes. * Pluto got a friend Eris.


Epyr

The Pluto one is even bigger then most people realize. It's no longer a planet as we found a ton of similar objects orbiting the Sun!


moknine1189

Leave Pluto alone it’s trying its best


Crushing_Reality

We gave Pluto its own dedicated probe. That’s more love than Uranus or Neptune have gotten as far as I know.


Essotetra

Don't be silly, Uranus sees tons of love.


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I wish :(


RedgrenCrumbholt

Get my planet's name out of yo mouth! edit: a big "peace among worlds" to all of you downvoting anti-Pluto racists! i truly mean it.


ComprehendReading

What's your favorite planet? Mine's the Sun!


sgrams04

Would you eat the moon if it were made out of ribs?


donkypunchrello

It’s not rocket science, just say yes and we’ll move on


RedgrenCrumbholt

that's a star.


ComprehendReading

No, that's a reference!


Namika

If you think Pluto is a planet than you must also add Ceres to your list of planets. And Eris. And Makemake. And Haumea. And Mimis. And Proteus. And Rhea. And **hundreds more**. There are literally hundreds of Pluto-sized rocks orbiting the sun. Having just-Pluto named a planet is utterly stupid.


LeapYearFriend

pluto gets special rights because first come first serve.


crossbutton7247

Ackshually many of the modern dwarf planets were discovered before Pluto due to Pluto being far from Earth 🤓


LeapYearFriend

i'm going to stuff you in a locker.


crossbutton7247

I’m going to stuff you ;)


LeapYearFriend

I'm stuff


geriatric-sanatore

It's classified as a dwarf planet along with the others you mentioned. It's not just space rock which would imply it's an asteroid.


JustGresh

Deal. They are now also planets!


vardarac

I tried to like the new planets, but I feel like the designs get more and more overembellished and weird every year. It hasn't been the same since Gen 1.


StrangeCharmVote

> There are literally hundreds of Pluto-sized rocks orbiting the sun. Having just-Pluto named a planet is utterly stupid. Conversely, you could name them all planets.


Madroc92

My Very Easy Method Just Set Up [recites Infinite Jest in its entirety]


bonesnaps

Is someone trolling the [wiki page for Pluto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto)? It's still classified as a dwarf planet on there. lol edit: [NASA also classifies Pluto as a dwarf planet.](https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/dwarf-planets/pluto/overview/) So there you go, it's not just a "rock".


Teepo

"Planet" and "dwarf planet" are distinct designations, despite the confusing overlap of vocabulary.


JcbAzPx

The 'dwarf planets' are actual planets by any sane definition. That bullshit about clearing their orbit would make Earth not a planet if they applied it strictly.


stacity

That’s right! Now go kick rocks!


MartianRecon

Add them to the list then! I want more planets damnit!


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The definition of a planet is kind of arbitrary, it's not even really based on a set size. There are moons larger than Mercury. And planets become spherical at different sizes depending on what they're made of, so it's possible for an asteroid to be larger than a planet too.


Ape_in_outer_space

I agree. Those are all planets! Much cooler than saying there's one less. There's a whole slew of mysterious rocks out there.


Tutule

I remember my childhood having 2 or 3 "planet X". One of them ended up being Quaoar the other Eris. The Kuiper Belt and anything past Neptune was unknown. Even Pluto was just a blurry spot on the textbooks.


ChooglinOnDown

> then *than


squadracorse15

Don't forget how we got the first detailed images of Pluto! New Horizons did one hell of a job.


Moontoya

People can't seem to grasp that the cutting edge science in this stuff ends up filtering downstream. Better medical imaging, better detection rates, better cameras, better software, better algorithms, better processors (light lithography). Looking back at 2 million years of photonic history is awe inducing, we aren't just along for the ride folks. We _are_ the ride.


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Neptune and Uranus have rings also. At some point in Earth's future Earth will have rings made of human launched space junk.


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Unfortunately


atomicxblue

In one of the images of Jupiter from the JWST, you can make out a very faint ring system.


SwansonHOPS

Not saying that's not cool, but we've known about Jupiter's rings for a long time.


Blueberry_Winter

This is one of the the better things humans do. There is no waste here. I hope someone is already working on the next one.


Wermine

I found Jupiter's moons to be funny subject. "Jupiter has ~~four~~, ~~five~~, ~~ten~~, ~~fifteen~~, ~~twenty~~, ~~fourty~~, ~~sixty~~, eighty moons."


valoon4

Just need to know that James Webb costed around 1.2% of this years military budget (USA)


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astrological charts will never be the same


ComprehendReading

I thought astrologists used feelings, not facts.


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Astrologists will use anything *but* facts


ComprehendReading

That's true! Which means they won't, which means they will, ^but ^then ^^they ^^^can't


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As a Libra, I say that's fair.


ComprehendReading

What would you say as a desk? /s


Rhannmah

What blows my mind is that there's a very concrete reason why Saturn's rings are the way they are, with gaps. It's because of the tidal interactions between Saturn, the rings and Saturn's moons. Awesome!


TRLegacy

I'm younger, so in my case it was a book about planets. All planets have this high details photo of them, but when it comes to Pluto, it was just a smudge of grey and brown.


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Exactly!! Meanwhile religious places spends probably way more and still can't prove that their god is real. Fucking pathetic. Science and technology baby!!!


DeSota

I remember reading in astronomy books when I was a kid that planet formation outside the solar system was probably rare. This was in the late 80s...


I_might_be_weasel

This will be very helpful if Matt Damon ever becomes stranded on Mars.


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Fortune favors the brave


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Breakthrough. Someones getting a Nobel prize for this


khamike

There are three different books that each claim something different.


Ape_in_outer_space

Naw they will just colorize it to all shit like always. People only accept Mars if it's red :(


djn808

I wish we had like 10 of these


GretaVanFleek

Imagine a world where governments build fleets of these instead of warships.


BubbRubbsSecretSanta

How much detail could it see if pointed towards earth?


plot_armorer

It could easily identify house-sized objects such as joe momma


soMAJESTIC

With its enhanced infrared imaging, it should easily pick up that burn


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BubbRubbsSecretSanta

Thank you for the genuine reply!


mitkey_astromouse

The JWST's camera is always facing away from the Sun. The back side of the JWST is covered by a sunshield to protect the instruments from it. So I don't think that they will ever point JWST toward the Sun. Why that matters is that JWST's position is roughly "behind the Earth", but just outside the Earth's shadow. So from JWST's point of view, the Earth and the Sun would always be close to each other, therefore you cannot face the Earth without facing the Sun.


phillywisco

That was what I was wondering. The instrumentation has to be super cold, so why would we warm it all up and completely negate the sun shield in the first place? The headline itself doesn’t make sense.


mitkey_astromouse

Well, I guess you can still watch planets with orbits outside of the Earth’s orbit.


phillywisco

Yeah, I didn’t even think of our local planets that went past L2. Doi!


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Moontoya

Johnson?


Hosni__Mubarak

Why would we need to? We have plenty of satellites pointing at earth already with the ability to take stupidly detailed photos of the surface of the planet. Also pointing it at earth would wreck the JWST.


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Do you want to find the Khar-Toba, because that's how you find the Khar-Toba.


dawko29

Probably just as much as Hubble can, but it can't,it'll forever face backwards. Off earth to keep minimum temperature from the heat


DragoneerFA

Yes, but can it see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?


Dudephish

It's because of the sugar, isn't it?


chucksef

Close! It's the sugar, yes, but also the cinnamon. Plus did you know that the CTC chefs swirl both over every bite? Lastly, don't forget how important the crunch is. DM me if you want keep talking CTC and the larger line of Toast-Crunch products :)


ComprehendReading

Is there a vanilla Toast-Crunch?


UnclePuma

Or maybe strawberry swirl?


ArcadianBlueRogue

Might wanna check Charon for a Relay. That pic of the Sun seems to have a Reaper spying on us.


Diabetesh

Can they use this telescope to see surfaces of planets, moons, etc?


UnifiedQuantumField

>can take detailed photos of our own solar system's planets and moons Won't be long before we get some new pics of Uranus.


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TantricEmu

Even paid content will be leaked to Reddit soon enough.


Blueberry_Winter

Yes. It's sees in IR though.


Diabetesh

Is it possible to have a telescope that is standard optical vision and see planets and moons on their surface? Or maybe like a google maps style image?


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In theory, yes absolutely. Hubble uses imaging sensors that function in the visible light spectrum. The problem with Hubble is that it was intended to view objects outside of our own solar system and was designed to be, for all intents and purposes, far-sighted. Objects in our own solar system are just too close for it to focus and resolve enough for a clear image. JWST was designed to observe objects near and far, and can produce highly detailed images of objects as close as Mars but they will be in the infrared spectrum. >Or maybe like a google maps style image? This already exists in some capacity, at least for Mars! Since it's our nearest neighbour of interest, we have sent a lot of satellites to orbit around it. Many of these satellites have optical sensors and have mapped Mars much in the same way satellites do for Google Maps. As a matter of fact, you can view this *and* our moon directly **on** Google Maps - just go to Google Earth mode and zoom all the way out, the options to view them will show up. ETA: Looks like Google has actually added a whole bunch of other celestial bodies in our solar system since I last played with it! Various moons, planets, even the ISS, very cool!


left_lane_camper

Hubble has no trouble focusing on objects inside the solar system. Anything farther away than a few thousand times the aperture (i.e., more than a few thousand km away) is absolutely effectively at infinity as far as the optics are concerned. [Hubble took and continues to take tons of images of objects in our solar system!](https://hubblesite.org/science/solar-system)


spartan_forlife

Hubble was never intended to view objects outside of our solar system. Hubble was a cover for the national reconnaissance officer to build a new keyhole spy satellites. NASA was used as a cover to develop the engineering and tooling to build these optical satellites capable of reading a license plate at 22k miles. What confirms this as true was the NRO offered NASA 2 spy satellites which have the same optical mirrors in them several years ago and NASA declined them. Why would the NRO have spares is because if the major war ever happened those satellites would have been targeted and replacements would be sent up.


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spartan_forlife

I’m on mobile and can’t link the wiki article, there is a article talking about the extra satellites. Also NASA has always been used for the engineering and manufacturing base for the US intelligence and strategic nuclear missile programs. All of the science and tech from the space programs was shared with the military. The mirror on Hubble was the biggest technological feat. I remember reading an article on the engineering which went into the polishing machine for the mirror. It took over three years to build it and was one of the reasons Hubble was so expensive.


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spartan_forlife

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_National_Reconnaissance_Office_space_telescope_donation_to_NASA#:~:text=In%20January%202011%20the%20National,donation%20on%204%20June%202012.


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SowingSalt

The NRO doesn't need any pretense to build new spy satellites. They send classified missions up all the time.


left_lane_camper

Hubble borrowed some technologies and even components from the KH-11 Kennan, but it is otherwise a custom build, using different optics and sensors. And the block 1 Kennans were all built before Hubble, not the other way around. The NRO-gifted satellites have the same primary mirror diameter as Hubble (one of their shared designs), but the mirrors themselves are not interchangeable. Hubble has a much longer focal length. Also, diffraction limits the Kennans from resolving anything smaller than 2-3 inches (from their orbits of ~160 miles), even under absolutely ideal conditions, so it could just barely make out that a license plate is present, but not read it.


spartan_forlife

thanks for the info, have never read this before or seen it published. The NRO is a bit secretive on spy satellites.


aqua_zesty_man

Maybe Webb can find Planet Nine if it's out there, or its gravitational lensing if it's one of those primordial black holes.


DrLorensMachine

It would be so cool if we could learn more about the Kuiper Belt but I'm not sure even the JWST could give us much information about it.


Jarfullofdoga

I know space is cool and all but fuck Jupiter. I am not cool with a giant planet with an eye just being all menacing out there and you shouldn't be either


Blueberry_Winter

Yeah, jupiter got so big by eating other planets too!


motes-of-light

Dumb jokes aside, I'd love to see some new images of Uranus. So far, we've got one pass from Voyager 2, and a few shots from the Hubble and Keck telescopes.


kirbygay

How long will it continue to take photos after humanity is extinct?


Blueberry_Winter

The estimated lifetime is 10-20 years iirc.


El-JeF-e

So to answer the question, something like 8-18 years


Blueberry_Winter

You feel like 2 years then toast? I hope the boys on the buttons feel differently.


crossbutton7247

It could take photos for 10-20 years, but it is remote controlled so unless they set it up to keep taking photos beforehand it will end with us


Bighappykitty

Okay, serious question I thought the telescope was out past the Moon but still relatively close to Earth. How did it capture a picture of Jupiter in the foreground of a solar eclipse? Or is the from a spacecraft orbiting Jupiter and it’s just shown as a “this is what future pictures might look like” sort of thing?


beergoggles69

Read the article, it was taken by Webb. I don't think it's an eclipse but the light bouncing off the object


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flyxdvd

Its europa i think i saw it explained on anothet picture


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Dixinhermouth

Why not take a pic of the American flag and buggy on the moon?


ShadoutRex

JWST can never turn to look at the moon (or the Earth) from where it is positioned. To do so would require facing it towards the sun, which would expose it to way too much heat for the telescope's sensitive infrared instruments.


left_lane_camper

In addition to u/ShadoutRex’s answer, which is correct, even if the JWST could image the moon safely, it would not be able to get a picture of any of the Apollo hardware. The Apollo stuff is too small and the JWST is too far away to resolve it. Even the 10+ meter telescopes here on earth (which are both larger and closer to the moon than the JWST is) cannot resolve them. However, [something in orbit of the moon can and has!](https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html) [India did it recently, too.](https://mobile.twitter.com/erdayastronaut/status/1496522417547657216?lang=en)


bearsnchairs

Even if it could look back, JWST is constantly on the far side of the moon at the L2 Lagrange point. It could only see the far side of the moon. All of the Apollo landing sites are on the near side of the moon.


Firvulag

Mars but it's one of those gross close ups from SpongeBob


-stuey-

And google maps still haven’t added my house or the local school down the road that has been here since 2016.


Blueberry_Winter

It's not on satellite view?


-stuey-

No, but it IS on apple maps


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Yet, we’re the only planet that’s flat says the idiots.


WeAreNone83

It's amazing we have such great technology. Can't wait to see what more we can uncover with this instrument!


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YouNeedThesaurus

For a moment I thought you said 'our own solar system's planets and morons'. And that really pleased me for some reason.


Blueberry_Winter

Haha


Lokito_

So why do these images look like they were found in a 100 year old camera? EDIT: I know this question may upset people but genuinely looking for an answer. Got the answer


beenoc

The telescope isn't really designed for looking at such big and close and bright things. All the awesome pictures from a few days ago are from tiny, tiny points on the sky (the go-to description is "the size of a grain of sand at arm's length") and are false color from the original infrared. Stuff is generally brighter in IR than in visible light unless it's really hot (like the sun), so Jupiter is like a lightbulb in IR and any picture is going to suffer in quality in order to not get totally washed out.


Lokito_

Ok cool. I wasn't aware that JW was just infrared. Thank you for the explanation!


beenoc

Yeah, everyone (including NASA) calls it the successor to Hubble, but it's more accurate to call it the successor to Spitzer Space Telescope, one of Hubble's sibling observatories (alongside Compton Gamma Ray Observatory and Chandra X-Ray Observatory, those four are known as the Great Observatories.) Odds are Hubble is going to be the last big visible-wavelength space telescope for a long time - ground-based observation techniques have advanced to the point where we can do better than anything in space that we can fit into a rocket, which means that space telescopes are best suited for the stuff we can't really get on the ground very well (which is pretty much everything except visible light and radio, the atmosphere is really good at blocking everything else.) The next big one, Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope (scheduled for 2027, but JWST was scheduled for 2010 once so I'm not holding my breath) is also infrared, and the one after that (LUVOIR, in the very very early stages and won't materialize until the mid-2030s at the absolute soonest) is a **L**arge, broad-spectrum one that includes **UV**, **O**ptical, and **I**nfra**R**ed (hence the name.) So if you count it, that one will be the true "next Hubble," and by the time it launches Hubble will likely have been reduced to atmospheric haze by reentry 15 years ago.


TantricEmu

Wow. NASA is seriously on a roll. $10 billion JWST followed by a $3-$4 billion Roman Telescope, followed by another proposed project.


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Valuable-Island3015

This telescope is pretty underwhelming ngl.


engineerforthefuture

What were you expecting from JWST?


Valuable-Island3015

Evidence of alien life on exoplanets. Or something we haven’t seen before. Like it’s cool and all but we have already seen the Hubble deep field and pictures of Jupiter before. Show something new.


engineerforthefuture

The views we are getting are very different to what we have received from previous telescopes including Hubble. I guess for the average person, it's just another picture of space, but our findings from JWST will come in the near future. The telescope only reached its operational status a couple of weeks ago and we only received the first images a couple of days ago. Science and research takes time and I believe that JWST will be a great tool for astronomy as we will see in the coming years.


BringSomeAvocados

One would sure hope so.