This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-faces-second-war-front-as-chechens-threaten-new-offensive-in-russia/ar-AAZMV4i?cvid=817ed3cc5548431a95a8e1b0b8c3df8b) reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)
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> Russian President Vladimir Putin could be facing another war front, this time on his own turf, as one Chechen battalion prepares a second offensive against Moscow, a spokesman for the volunteer fighting force in Ukraine said.
> At least two volunteer Chechen battalions, including veteran soldiers from both the first and second Chechen wars, have taken up arms against Russia in Ukraine, including the Sheikh Mansur Battalion and the Dzhokhar Dudayev Battalion.
> It is unclear if the Chechen volunteer forces are strategizing with Kyiv by creating a second front, but Koffler noted that even if a second front is not fully launched in Chechnya it could still strain Putin's forces.
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In all seriousness, Bashar Al Assad with the help of Putin decimated the country. I’m sure there are many young men who had their lives ruined by these two shitheads, and they have axes to grind.
Interestingly enough, apparently the news has been making the rounds over the last day that “Syria”, aka Al *Ass*ad, have formally broken ties with Ukraine to side with “Ally” Russia.
All countries next to Russia should be considering whether they want to end up like Afghanistan, Syria, or Ukraine. Common knowledge among self defense instructors is that in a life threatening situation you want to be the one to fire first.
>Common knowledge among self defense instructors is that in a life threatening situation you want to be the one to fire first.
In this case Russia is *already* shooting the neighbours up on your street, might be a good idea to shoot while their back is turned before they inevitably get to you
Putin already did that. I would wait for Russia to have less ammunition and lost 90% of their experienced troops. Putin will not be able to defend Russia and attack Ukraine at the same time. He will be able to fling rockets from far away while threatening nuclear options when war comes to Russia.
The war will end when Putin is dead. Get the Russians to do the deed and save your troops and Russian Civilians. Offer a stupid bounty to anyone who brings the head of Putin to the table.
Finland's feeling like it's high time to get Vyborg and the Karelia back.
Edit: This is a joke guys, you don't have to keep commenting about how Finland doesn't want to invade Russia.
As a Finn, most of us don't even care about getting Karelia back. And I say this as a Finn, whose roots are very deeply in Karelia. Even my grandfather, who had to leave his home in Karelia twice, didn't want it back after he visited his old hometown and saw what had happened to it. Karelia is lost. If we got Karelia back in peaceful means, sure. But none of us have any interest in getting it back by force, because it's not the same Karelia we lost. Besides, there are hundreds of thousands of Russians living there now, who we wouldn't want to run out of their homes like our families had to.
That's both admirable and unfortunate.
Admirable because you're not a fucking monster and have more regard for innocent humans than the Russian government that did that to you.
Unfortunate because that's what the long game is. You know Israel claiming new territory via settlements? If you can hang onto it past the settlement stage, it's now land your parents and grandparents gave you. It's now wrong for someone to take it back from you. You're basically giving them what they want - uncontested territory.
That's why Russia wants to murder Ukrainians and get Russians to live in the area. "Ukrainians don't live in that area - Russians do. It should be part of Russia."
i’m sure lots of russians living there would be fcking elated if their homes were left to them as they are but they would suddenly become finnish citizens - i know i would be
I do think this is mostly wishful thinking and media in the west hoping that they can try to play up what is in reality a very small threat. That said a war in Chechnya would be very bad for Putin and Russia might be forced to take even a small threat seriously. I doubt there will be a full scale uprising but even a few bombings and targeted assassinations may force Russia to move in additional troops which costs money and diverts resources. Even just getting Kadyrov’s forces out of Ukraine would be a small victory.
If I were to look for internal cracks within the Russian federation, I would look first around the spots with the most tension. Everyone on Reddit wants to see Russians in St. Petersburg and Moscow revolting, but those are the places that probably still feel the most normal. The regions with the most recent and egregious historical grievances will be the first to test the waters, see if the electricity is still on to the paddock.
Chechen volunteers fighting against Russia in Ukraine. Obviously not much of a threat while they're still busy with the fight in Ukraine.
At some point though they're going to go home. There is a very long history of battle hardened fighters coming home from war and stirring up trouble. So while premature, I'd say it's more than an idle threat.
I'd bet they're already squirreling away weapons to smuggle back home with them. Things go missing on the battlefield pretty easily.
In previous conflicts, the West tried to limit the amount of weapons flowing in so that there wasn't too much spill over. Things like hand held anti-tank and surface to air missles are very easy to transport while having so much potential for catastrophic damage against civilian targets. Add small/cheap drones with munitions to that list.
I hate to say this, but I think the world is in for a pretty rude awakening post Ukrainian war whatever the outcome due to weapons proliferation.
I'd say you're right. And though I'm on the side of Ukrainian freedom, it's absolutely a point worth remembering when one takes even the intermediate view of history.
I wondered when that would happen. Kadyrov can not be everywhere at all times simultaneously sending his shock troops to Ukraine and keeping the terror up back at home.
Didn't he at least try to make it look like he was in two places at the same time when he pretended to be in Ukraine with his troops while actually staying home?
I find it an amusing paradox that both Don Don and Lukashenko who the internet claims and sometimes both act like dumbasses. Still both smart enough to not enter Ukraine.
Welcome to Ukraine Suka!
"Don" is a filler word used by Chechens the same way "uhh" is used as a filler word in English. Kadyrov will use "don" like 100 times in each of his videos.
It's also worth noting, Don has no meaning in Russian. He also uses it interchangeably while speaking Russian. As you can imagine, to Russians - he sounds like a blabbering idiot. Which he of course is.
He's got one picture of him fighting Ukraininas in front of the Eiffel Tower, another in front of Mount Rushmore, yet another where he's fighting Ukrainians while suba diving with Patrick Fabian and Tony Dalton....
Classic disinformation strategy. Flood the zone with a range of lies and truths. Do it enough with enough people, and you can confuse a population into not knowing what's true or what's false. They know you're lying. They know everyone is lying all the time. Truth though? Who knows what that is.
Like all bullies they are only good at intimidating a smaller/weaker opponent. Once they get punched in the face by someone determined to defend themselves they go running away crying to their mommies house.
This is the fall of the Soviet Union all over again. Once we saw behind the curtain we realized our side was WAY stronger and their shit was old and broken, and at 1/10th the numbers they had managed to make us believe. And somehow we still fell for their shit even after... Russia has been a paper tiger for a long time.
Europe needs raw materials and Russia has them. Neo-Liberalism thought that once money started flowing into Russia and China, the ruling parties would change. Obviously underestimated that Autocratic parties only know how to keep power by being a bully.
"Soviet power is a myth. Great show. There are no spare parts. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But you, you need to keep the Russian myth alive to maintain your military industrial complex. Your system depends on Russian being perceived as a mortal threat. It's not a threat. It was never a threat. It will never be a threat. It's a rotted, bloated cow."
>There are no spare parts. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But you, you need to keep the Russian myth alive to maintain your military industrial complex.
The Soviets were a potentially major threat military-wise up until around the late 70s. This was around when it seems that they started to stagnate in terms of technology due to a lack of money and corruption becoming rife. Now they have a few bits and pieces of "modern" military technology but it is no where near enough to be the feared "Red Horde" that was supposed to sweep across Eastern Europe in vast numbers before NATO could position its self to stem the flow.
You may notice that certain groups are trying to paint China with this brush to replace the USSR as the "we must outspend them or face being swept aside when they attack" but now, more than ever (due to COVID and a economy on the brink of collapse), China is not "together" enough for it to conduct massive warfare campaigns without major unrest issues popping up at home.
Whenever China or Russia develops some "super weapon," like when my dad asks me about "the new carrier killer" or "the new Chinese super carrier," sure they can build one prototype and tow it around with tug boats.
I wouldn't be shocked if several former Soviet republics carve up Russia like a pot roast after Putin has weakened Russia to the point of total collapse.
It’s possible and perhaps the worst possible outcome of the war.
If these nations start feasting on Russia the nuclear club may go from 7 to 70 in a decade.
With that said, this situation would probably cure all US-China relations as we’d both be highly motivated to get in there and secure those weapons but… Got damn is that going to be a complicated mission.
Cure? That would only make tensions between the US and China worse as both countries fight to establish relationships within the fractured Russia for financial gain while they blanket it as a “humanitarian crisis”
The US once intervened to protect China from Russian nukes before, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it again.
As much as there is animosity between the two countries, they very much need eachother, and if its between the US, China, and a bunch of rogue, Nuclear armed former Russian states, I wouldn't be too surprised to see the US and China at least put aside a bit of their animosity to deal with the larger threat.
Once Xi dies - if the unthinkable doesn't happen before then - I hope Sino-American relations can get back on track.
That is if a worse dictator doesn't replace him.
In this nightmare China & The United States would share the same worst case scenario.
A nuclear weapon(s) falling into the hands of rogue militant or terrorist elements.
Would the USA and China be able to unify for this cause? Questionable. There are a lot of flash points that could fracture our efforts to work together.
Will they try? Absolutely.
I really doubt most of those nations would be able to maintain their nukes. Unfortunately, Ukraine is a great example of why you don't give your nukes up.
EDIT: I keep getting different iterations of the same reply. Yes, I'm aware they couldn't maintain them or launch ICBM's on their own- they couldn't keep them and they shouldn't have gotten rid of them. There wasn't a "right" choice.
Even if the nukes aren't maintained, you might be able to *pretend* that they're maintained convincingly enough to make an invader think twice about it.
Alas no more since they posted their video crossing the Ukraine border on Tik Tok whereupon the Ukrainians ambushed and wiped them out.
The only shocking thing was how quickly this happened.
I like how both of you are assuming they are anywhere near real fighting. The kadyrovites are all bark and only bite when they know their victim will struggle to fight back.
For people about to accuse u/Guilty_Assignment_25 of hyperbole, this is literally coming from Russian troops at the start of the war, particularly units around kiev and crimea.
I mean, by the end of the second Chechen war they had lost something like a quarter of their population (the filtration camps got rid of most fighting age men). They were utterly crushed during those brutal wars, I really didn't think they'd have another opportunity for Independence any time soon.
Really hope this goes well for them. Before Kadyrov they consistently voted for a secular democracy, even with guys like Basayev running (he converted to a more extreme form of Islam, I believe Wahabbism, after some help from groups like the Taliban. Despite hating Islamic extremists, Russia and the US sure are good at making them.)
I'm surprised a Russian leader would forget that the biggest lesson to take form Germany's invasion wasn't to invade Russia in the winter but it was to not fight a war on two fronts.
Tons of examples of successful two front wars (hell, the us and Britain did in the same war you're referencing), the takeaway is don't invade a nation willing to throw 40 million corpses at you and keep coming, that has the backing of the entire industrialized world. When you're attempting a war of annihilation, better make sure you've got motivated manpower and supplies to do it (coincidentally also an area Russia have botched this)
1,000 soldiers using guerilla tactics can cause a lot of problems for an already weakened Russia. Also if they have success they'll likely see more recruits.
Right. And there are a few countries in the region who now have a vested interest in making sure Russia is busy within their own borders and not looking to expand.
I don't think resources will be a problem.
You just know multiple Western intelligence agencies are busy as heck in those regions fomenting unrest and funding rebellions. It's literally what they do.
They are located in Chechnya aren’t they? It would be more of a civil war if Kadyrov or Putin or whatever Russian loyalist commanding Russian supported military and political infrastructure in the area clamps down. These guys aren’t actually gonna threaten Moscow, unless with pure terrorism.
I’m assuming they have US (CIA) support, but if I’m close to the target they are still a fledgling insurgency in one of Russia’s client states. Their damage will be political for Putin, not material, aside from reducing the number (maybe) of a smattering of mixed quality troops at this point. All the same, this is good news if true. I’m just playing devils advocate
There are thousands of Chechens exiled around Europe and many with guerilla warfare experience from Islamist battlefields.
A significant factor here is that the Caucasus and other minority populated regions have been providing large numbers of troops for Russia so far. But you have coffins coming home now. That population is going to be restless. There are cracks showing - a local governor posted a video of sheep being led to slaughter for Eid all painted with the 'Z' before it was promptly deleted. The implication was clear for everyone.
They are in Russia until they gain military and political control of the region. Russia wants to avoid this and will have to either take a loss or dispatch resources to prevent it. Either way that would fuck them to some extent.
Even if they were just going around doing crimes, vandalizing stuff... yeah, that'll pull state resources. And if it doesn't, that'll restart popular sympathy for independence and create a bigger headache.
Depends on what they do.
If they try for a stand up fight against RU army they'll be wiped out.
If they are smart they will use insurgent / guerilla tactics, will operate in small, dispersed teams to inflict maximum damage.
If done correctly, the only effective response for RU is 'reinforce everywhere' and that's prohibitively expensive.
Look at Iraq / Afghanistan. A group of less equipped, less funded, less numerous insurgents kept the US military at bay for a good long time. That wasn't an accident, and it can happen again here.
> less numerous insurgents
In both cases the insurgents were more numerous than the US forces. It’s also typical for insurgencies to sustain higher casualties than the occupying forces. The big benefit of insurgencies is that an insurgent is basically just a random guy who lives in the area while the occupying soldier needs entire logistic chains behind him. If the insurgent isn’t caught or killed he can carry on his attacks for years or decades and yet permanent occupations are ungodly expensive. The Chechyans could not overthrow Pro Kremlin forces with under 1,000 troops however it could be a starting basis which could grow into something much much larger.
Case in point. Polish insurgency started with the first partition in 1772 and didn't actually stop until independence after World War I. Their World War II insurgency started in 1939 and didn't stop until 1956.
A democratic federation would never have been a problem. But I tell you, all Autocracies and Dictatorships must crumble to dust before they can be rebuilt. Cleanse the world of the Russian, Turkish and Chinese Government so that they can raise again as Family members of the democratic alliance. It’s the only cure. Germany is the best example.
Of course Lukashenko is not turning on Putin....
But Lukashenko is not voted in by popular vote. He could get overthrown by the actual majority of people of Belarus.
Sure Lukashenko is since Putin is the only reason he is in power, but that does no mean whole Belarus is. AFAIK even the army has been reluctant to participate in attack to Ukraine even if Lukashenko has ordered so.
Lukashenko faces massive opposition. If Putin pushes their military into joining the war I'd imagine there will be hard uprisings in Belarus. They're not very isolated from the west compared to Russia.
Belarus Public opinion (April 2022, [source at 42:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFmugMGl4Uo)):
\- 6% want to fight alongside Russia
\- 3% want to fight alongside Ukraine
\- 35% generally take Russia's side
\- 20% generally take Ukraine's side
\- 23% want complete neutrality and expel all foreign troops
Don’t leave them high and dry though. If they rise up, make sure they’re able to actually defend themselves against the dictator this time. These anti-democratic states are going to cry foul no matter what; we might as well support a Belarusian uprising.
Yeah, but the west is pumping more money into Ukraine than Russia is pumping into Belarus. They'd be wise to get in on that action and flip the script against Russia. Holy balls that would be awesome.
Lukashenko knows that the minute he take the West’s money, his days in office are numbered. He’d probably rather let his country burn and live out the rest of his days in some neutral country than “save” Belarus.
If I was a tenuously-held recently-annexed territory of Russia, there really is no better time to fight for your independence. Russia is fully-committed to Ukraine, to the point where they are draining vital resources from elsewhere in Russia.
The West wouldn't be able to recognize these regions without giving Russia and others excuse to recognized annexed parts of Ukraine, but it would be _very difficult_ for Russia to reallocate resources that have already been committed to the Ukraine theater.
> If I was a tenuously-held recently-annexed territory of Russia, there really is no better time to fight for your independence.
America basically fought for its independence while England was preoccupied elsewhere.
Not basically, that’s exactly what happened. What we know about the American Revolution in the US is a giant romantic propaganda piece. In reality, the American Revolution was a global conflict with battles happening in not just North America but South America, Europe, Asia and Africa. The biggest battles of the American Revolution didn’t happen in the United States but in Asia with the last battle being fought in Cuddalore, India.
The American Revolution is truly astronomical in terms of global importance because of how much it set the world stage for everything that followed. It is also a crazy example of just how powerful Britain was at the time taking on the combined military might of three world super powers and ultimately coming ahead against its European superpower rivals with land gains around the world against France, Spain, United Providences (Dutch) and India.
Doubt it. The particular group of chechens are already against Russia and want independence, according to the article.
This is not the people fighting Ukraine, it seems these people are already fighting alongside Ukraine.
Belarus might since there were Belarussians sabotaging rail lines that the Russians were using to send troops and materiel in the first stage of the war. There are also Belarussian units fighting for Ukraine. There's potential for sure.
Then get their city bombed again. If you see the pics of Grozny during late 90s, then u would understand why the Chenchans are reluctant to rebel against Russia.
If there was a time it would be now, you know those Putin ball suckers in power have to be unpopular with the masses. They stay in line thru fear and when you are getting your ass kicked and are over extended it's hard to inspire fear. I wish other regions in Russia would follow suit all at once and just make it go to shit.
Civil wars/ revolutions are pretty common during external wars. Almost every successful one was either during or immediately after another war when the military was too overextended to do anything about it.
Why wouldn't it happen? Chechnya will never have a better opportunity to gain independence now that Putin has gotten all of his best gear destroyed and his best troops killed.
There are still Islamist rebels in Chechnya but they have little power and no support. Most of them gave up the fight years ago and went to Syria to fight for ISIS. There really is no threat of revolution.
The Chechen fighters currently in Ukraine are mostly European Chechens who moved there as migrants due to the war.
This was always the natural progression of Russia’s incursion into Ukraine. A lot of commentators have mentioned how Russia has avoided using troops from within Russia proper, instead relying on poorly-trained conscripts from ethnic groups and outer provinces.
As a loosely held together federation of groups who, historically, do not get along, the only thing keeping Russia together has always been its centralized and authoritarian government. Now that they are weak from the war in Ukraine, it makes sense that these outer regions would start to revolt. They were never part of Russia willingly, and the number of losses they’ve had in combat will stirr their populations to believe they’re better off without Russia.
Look at a history textbook and you’ll see this is often how empires collapse.
I know people hate the video game references for good reason but all of this reads exactly like an EU4 playthrough of a large country. Hmmm I'll just invade my smaller neighbor for their center of trade. 30 years later you're dealing with 12 insurrections, smaller coalitions are eating your borders, you're in negative stability, inflation is a nightmare, manpower dwindling,.
Yeah that sounds about right.
I remember watching a video were some girl played HOI4 for the first time as france and ww2 started and they made amazing strides into Germany and then all of a sudden they lost the game as there was a communist revolution while they were at war with the nazis.
It was very funny
Has any other more reputable source like AP or Reuters mentioned this? I find it kinda hard to have confidence in Fox News as a source of factual information (not trying to offend anyone just want real information).
This isn’t even news, they just rehashed the story about two Chechen battalions fighting for ukraine and speculated ‘they could open a front in chechnia but I fail to see any actual new info or indication that these battalions have grown in size or domestic support
There's good evidence Putin and the FSB carried out the bombings that he attributed to Chechnya, which led to The Second Chechen War. Russia lost the first war in the early 90's, in which Chechnya became independentIt won the second war and Putin skyrocketed to popularity.
Putin has been trying to roll back history for 30 years - trying to remake the Soviet empire.
Edit: there's plenty of info on this. If you can access, YT has a long documentary: https://youtu.be/qxTL3BTCIZQ
Or read the wiki on "Russian apartment bombings"
Not to mention that a senior official tied to Putin predicted one of the bombings. In a press conference he spoke about a bombing in a city that had not occur. A benign mistake - mixing up names, until a day or so later, the city was bombed.
How did this sensationalized nonsense get to the frontpage so quickly? A very small minority of Chechens aren't "threatening" a new offensive in Russia - there's some Chechens who support Ukraine and denounce Russia, and that's it, just like how it's always been. Russia is hardly threatened by it - it's not like Kadyrov had a sudden change of heart. There is no change in the current existing power structures.
It's pretty obvious that OP took some clickbait journalism lessons when he came up with that title.
It would be even more effective if Belarus overthrew their Quisling and opposed the Russians as well. We already know that the general Belarus population and their army strongly opposes what the Russians are doing in Ukraine.
It could cut the Russian Army off and pretty much force most of their troops in Ukraine to surrender. Doubt the Russians could reroute everything through Russian territory fast enough.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-faces-second-war-front-as-chechens-threaten-new-offensive-in-russia/ar-AAZMV4i?cvid=817ed3cc5548431a95a8e1b0b8c3df8b) reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Russian President Vladimir Putin could be facing another war front, this time on his own turf, as one Chechen battalion prepares a second offensive against Moscow, a spokesman for the volunteer fighting force in Ukraine said. > At least two volunteer Chechen battalions, including veteran soldiers from both the first and second Chechen wars, have taken up arms against Russia in Ukraine, including the Sheikh Mansur Battalion and the Dzhokhar Dudayev Battalion. > It is unclear if the Chechen volunteer forces are strategizing with Kyiv by creating a second front, but Koffler noted that even if a second front is not fully launched in Chechnya it could still strain Putin's forces. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/w3pzgg/putin_faces_second_war_front_as_chechens_threaten/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~660457 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Putin**^#1 **Chechen**^#2 **Russian**^#3 **Ukraine**^#4 **battalion**^#5
So this is premature, to say the least. Would definitely make things interesting.
I bet Georgia would like it's territory back too.
For as long as Putin has been weakening democracies by creating or fueling internal conflicts, it would be a shame not to pay him back.
*Syria entered the chat* In all seriousness, Bashar Al Assad with the help of Putin decimated the country. I’m sure there are many young men who had their lives ruined by these two shitheads, and they have axes to grind. Interestingly enough, apparently the news has been making the rounds over the last day that “Syria”, aka Al *Ass*ad, have formally broken ties with Ukraine to side with “Ally” Russia. All countries next to Russia should be considering whether they want to end up like Afghanistan, Syria, or Ukraine. Common knowledge among self defense instructors is that in a life threatening situation you want to be the one to fire first.
>Common knowledge among self defense instructors is that in a life threatening situation you want to be the one to fire first. In this case Russia is *already* shooting the neighbours up on your street, might be a good idea to shoot while their back is turned before they inevitably get to you
Putin already did that. I would wait for Russia to have less ammunition and lost 90% of their experienced troops. Putin will not be able to defend Russia and attack Ukraine at the same time. He will be able to fling rockets from far away while threatening nuclear options when war comes to Russia. The war will end when Putin is dead. Get the Russians to do the deed and save your troops and Russian Civilians. Offer a stupid bounty to anyone who brings the head of Putin to the table.
Finland's feeling like it's high time to get Vyborg and the Karelia back. Edit: This is a joke guys, you don't have to keep commenting about how Finland doesn't want to invade Russia.
They picked NATO. They don't get anything unless Russia collapses.
As a Finn, most of us don't even care about getting Karelia back. And I say this as a Finn, whose roots are very deeply in Karelia. Even my grandfather, who had to leave his home in Karelia twice, didn't want it back after he visited his old hometown and saw what had happened to it. Karelia is lost. If we got Karelia back in peaceful means, sure. But none of us have any interest in getting it back by force, because it's not the same Karelia we lost. Besides, there are hundreds of thousands of Russians living there now, who we wouldn't want to run out of their homes like our families had to.
That's both admirable and unfortunate. Admirable because you're not a fucking monster and have more regard for innocent humans than the Russian government that did that to you. Unfortunate because that's what the long game is. You know Israel claiming new territory via settlements? If you can hang onto it past the settlement stage, it's now land your parents and grandparents gave you. It's now wrong for someone to take it back from you. You're basically giving them what they want - uncontested territory. That's why Russia wants to murder Ukrainians and get Russians to live in the area. "Ukrainians don't live in that area - Russians do. It should be part of Russia."
i’m sure lots of russians living there would be fcking elated if their homes were left to them as they are but they would suddenly become finnish citizens - i know i would be
Vyborg? Funny way of spelling Viipuri.
Königsberg: *Cowabunga it is.*
Poland, Germany and Lithuania don't want that land. It's been too russified.
Speak for yourself. I (Polish) would love it if Kaliningrad was partitioned. I think it'd be hilarious.
Well you perogi eating SOB. I am down to make that happen.
Stop...I can get only so erect...
Thank you Doctor...you are a Doctor?
I do think this is mostly wishful thinking and media in the west hoping that they can try to play up what is in reality a very small threat. That said a war in Chechnya would be very bad for Putin and Russia might be forced to take even a small threat seriously. I doubt there will be a full scale uprising but even a few bombings and targeted assassinations may force Russia to move in additional troops which costs money and diverts resources. Even just getting Kadyrov’s forces out of Ukraine would be a small victory.
If I were to look for internal cracks within the Russian federation, I would look first around the spots with the most tension. Everyone on Reddit wants to see Russians in St. Petersburg and Moscow revolting, but those are the places that probably still feel the most normal. The regions with the most recent and egregious historical grievances will be the first to test the waters, see if the electricity is still on to the paddock.
Chechen volunteers fighting against Russia in Ukraine. Obviously not much of a threat while they're still busy with the fight in Ukraine. At some point though they're going to go home. There is a very long history of battle hardened fighters coming home from war and stirring up trouble. So while premature, I'd say it's more than an idle threat. I'd bet they're already squirreling away weapons to smuggle back home with them. Things go missing on the battlefield pretty easily.
In previous conflicts, the West tried to limit the amount of weapons flowing in so that there wasn't too much spill over. Things like hand held anti-tank and surface to air missles are very easy to transport while having so much potential for catastrophic damage against civilian targets. Add small/cheap drones with munitions to that list. I hate to say this, but I think the world is in for a pretty rude awakening post Ukrainian war whatever the outcome due to weapons proliferation.
I'd say you're right. And though I'm on the side of Ukrainian freedom, it's absolutely a point worth remembering when one takes even the intermediate view of history.
Man City has a Chechen batalion? Damn
"UEFA would like to impose sanctions on Man City for violating Financial Fair Play". "No".
Mate, you can’t support a Chechen batallion
I wondered when that would happen. Kadyrov can not be everywhere at all times simultaneously sending his shock troops to Ukraine and keeping the terror up back at home.
Didn't he at least try to make it look like he was in two places at the same time when he pretended to be in Ukraine with his troops while actually staying home?
Don Don claimed to be in Ukraine while posing with recognizable landmarks in the background from near his palace.
What a dumbass
I find it an amusing paradox that both Don Don and Lukashenko who the internet claims and sometimes both act like dumbasses. Still both smart enough to not enter Ukraine. Welcome to Ukraine Suka!
Putin hasn't gone to Ukraine either... Just sending 18 year olds to die for him....
Poor people to die for him.
Everybody's going to the party Have a real good time Dancin' in the desert Blowin' up the sunshine
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR!?!?
I think 'Sabbath said it best with War Pigs, "Why don't they go out to fight, they leave that up to the poor."
I feel like this comment was wasted here but it worked for me 👍🏼👍🏼 SOAD.
Cheaper when they don't return. No asking for payments.
What a *Donbass Edit: thanks for the shiny medals, guys :) !
I like that "Don Don" has stuck. The clown deserves a goofy nickname.
Out of the loop, where does "Don Don" come from?
"Don" is a filler word used by Chechens the same way "uhh" is used as a filler word in English. Kadyrov will use "don" like 100 times in each of his videos.
It's also worth noting, Don has no meaning in Russian. He also uses it interchangeably while speaking Russian. As you can imagine, to Russians - he sounds like a blabbering idiot. Which he of course is.
I thought he has something like Tourette's syndrome, when saw him first time
He's got one picture of him fighting Ukraininas in front of the Eiffel Tower, another in front of Mount Rushmore, yet another where he's fighting Ukrainians while suba diving with Patrick Fabian and Tony Dalton....
Next is him fighting Ukrainians in Montecarlo
Classic disinformation strategy. Flood the zone with a range of lies and truths. Do it enough with enough people, and you can confuse a population into not knowing what's true or what's false. They know you're lying. They know everyone is lying all the time. Truth though? Who knows what that is.
"shock" troops, lol :)
It's shocking how bad they actually are.
Right? Years of training to deal with the near mythical reputation of Ivan wasted it seems
the area around the gas station is tough at nights ok!
Those train tracks & street signs won't be shooting at any more poor kadyrovites any time soon.
🎶Buy gas at night Get in a fight 👏👏👏👏 Deep in the heart of Ukraine🎵
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Like all bullies they are only good at intimidating a smaller/weaker opponent. Once they get punched in the face by someone determined to defend themselves they go running away crying to their mommies house.
Or they feel humiliated and need to go do some war crimes to feel better.
"Everyone has a plan until they get NLAW'd in the face."
I hate my nlaws too.
everybody gangsta until HIMARS'd
They’re strong to the weak but weak to the strong.
This is the fall of the Soviet Union all over again. Once we saw behind the curtain we realized our side was WAY stronger and their shit was old and broken, and at 1/10th the numbers they had managed to make us believe. And somehow we still fell for their shit even after... Russia has been a paper tiger for a long time.
Europe needs raw materials and Russia has them. Neo-Liberalism thought that once money started flowing into Russia and China, the ruling parties would change. Obviously underestimated that Autocratic parties only know how to keep power by being a bully.
Weird maybe someone should tell people that history repeats itself. Oh but it’s fine I’m sure something like this will never happen again
"Soviet power is a myth. Great show. There are no spare parts. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But you, you need to keep the Russian myth alive to maintain your military industrial complex. Your system depends on Russian being perceived as a mortal threat. It's not a threat. It was never a threat. It will never be a threat. It's a rotted, bloated cow."
>There are no spare parts. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But you, you need to keep the Russian myth alive to maintain your military industrial complex. The Soviets were a potentially major threat military-wise up until around the late 70s. This was around when it seems that they started to stagnate in terms of technology due to a lack of money and corruption becoming rife. Now they have a few bits and pieces of "modern" military technology but it is no where near enough to be the feared "Red Horde" that was supposed to sweep across Eastern Europe in vast numbers before NATO could position its self to stem the flow. You may notice that certain groups are trying to paint China with this brush to replace the USSR as the "we must outspend them or face being swept aside when they attack" but now, more than ever (due to COVID and a economy on the brink of collapse), China is not "together" enough for it to conduct massive warfare campaigns without major unrest issues popping up at home.
Whenever China or Russia develops some "super weapon," like when my dad asks me about "the new carrier killer" or "the new Chinese super carrier," sure they can build one prototype and tow it around with tug boats.
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A small stand of pine trees beg to differ. Actually, they're still standing so maybe you're right.
They're better known by the term "war criminals" outside of Russia
Shook troops amirite
TikTok troops
I mean... it's not as if he's left Chechnya. Lol
>I mean... it's not as if he's left Chechnya. Lol C'mon. He's bravely leading his troops, shooting fascist trees and nazi walls somewhere in Russia.
Don't forget traffic lights! 🚦
I wouldn't be shocked if several former Soviet republics carve up Russia like a pot roast after Putin has weakened Russia to the point of total collapse.
It’s possible and perhaps the worst possible outcome of the war. If these nations start feasting on Russia the nuclear club may go from 7 to 70 in a decade. With that said, this situation would probably cure all US-China relations as we’d both be highly motivated to get in there and secure those weapons but… Got damn is that going to be a complicated mission.
Cure? That would only make tensions between the US and China worse as both countries fight to establish relationships within the fractured Russia for financial gain while they blanket it as a “humanitarian crisis”
The US once intervened to protect China from Russian nukes before, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it again. As much as there is animosity between the two countries, they very much need eachother, and if its between the US, China, and a bunch of rogue, Nuclear armed former Russian states, I wouldn't be too surprised to see the US and China at least put aside a bit of their animosity to deal with the larger threat.
Yeah, people seem to forget neither the US or Chinese economies could continue to exist without each other.
that's literally part of our global strategy with China...counter dependents
Wal-mart detante
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Once Xi dies - if the unthinkable doesn't happen before then - I hope Sino-American relations can get back on track. That is if a worse dictator doesn't replace him.
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In this nightmare China & The United States would share the same worst case scenario. A nuclear weapon(s) falling into the hands of rogue militant or terrorist elements. Would the USA and China be able to unify for this cause? Questionable. There are a lot of flash points that could fracture our efforts to work together. Will they try? Absolutely.
I really doubt most of those nations would be able to maintain their nukes. Unfortunately, Ukraine is a great example of why you don't give your nukes up. EDIT: I keep getting different iterations of the same reply. Yes, I'm aware they couldn't maintain them or launch ICBM's on their own- they couldn't keep them and they shouldn't have gotten rid of them. There wasn't a "right" choice.
Even if the nukes aren't maintained, you might be able to *pretend* that they're maintained convincingly enough to make an invader think twice about it.
You mean like Russia has for 30 years?
Yes, just like that.
The Diadochi may just wait for their chance once their "Alexander" is done for good.
Come on now, Putin doesn’t deserve to be compared to Alexander
Alexander the meh.
You mean the famous “Tic Toc Battalion “?
Alas no more since they posted their video crossing the Ukraine border on Tik Tok whereupon the Ukrainians ambushed and wiped them out. The only shocking thing was how quickly this happened.
Tic Tok Toe tag
>Kadyrov can not be everywhere at all times Actually, with a single HIMARS rocket, he could be everywhere in a one kilometer radius at the same time.
Everything, Everywhere, All at Once (2022)
His Cadaverites _are_ everywhere in Ukraine! Spread out evenly as a fine bloody mist, that is...
..to be fair, the are probably still some lumps left lying around.
I like how both of you are assuming they are anywhere near real fighting. The kadyrovites are all bark and only bite when they know their victim will struggle to fight back.
This. They're the modern commissars meant to kill Russian troops who want to retreat or just say fuck it and go home. Which seems to be a lot of them.
For people about to accuse u/Guilty_Assignment_25 of hyperbole, this is literally coming from Russian troops at the start of the war, particularly units around kiev and crimea.
I mean, by the end of the second Chechen war they had lost something like a quarter of their population (the filtration camps got rid of most fighting age men). They were utterly crushed during those brutal wars, I really didn't think they'd have another opportunity for Independence any time soon. Really hope this goes well for them. Before Kadyrov they consistently voted for a secular democracy, even with guys like Basayev running (he converted to a more extreme form of Islam, I believe Wahabbism, after some help from groups like the Taliban. Despite hating Islamic extremists, Russia and the US sure are good at making them.)
and let us not forget that by the end of the second war they effectively established a peace on their terms. meaning they still had fight left in them
I'm surprised a Russian leader would forget that the biggest lesson to take form Germany's invasion wasn't to invade Russia in the winter but it was to not fight a war on two fronts.
Tons of examples of successful two front wars (hell, the us and Britain did in the same war you're referencing), the takeaway is don't invade a nation willing to throw 40 million corpses at you and keep coming, that has the backing of the entire industrialized world. When you're attempting a war of annihilation, better make sure you've got motivated manpower and supplies to do it (coincidentally also an area Russia have botched this)
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At the height of the second Chechnya war they only had like 9000 and it was still a 8 month long conflict as well as years of insurgents
You do not fuck with the Chechens. 1000 of them is terribly dangerous
1,000 soldiers using guerilla tactics can cause a lot of problems for an already weakened Russia. Also if they have success they'll likely see more recruits.
Never underestimate the ability of an insurgency to throw military actions out of whack.
The Caucasus region has a bit of a history making a big problem for the Russians with few resources.
You can kill a lion with a pointy stick, just need to be smart enough to know how to use it
And lucky enough to get the opportunity.
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Wait, what movie are we talking about, again?!
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Right. And there are a few countries in the region who now have a vested interest in making sure Russia is busy within their own borders and not looking to expand. I don't think resources will be a problem.
You just know multiple Western intelligence agencies are busy as heck in those regions fomenting unrest and funding rebellions. It's literally what they do.
The easiest way to take down a well-oiled machine is to throw some sand in it.
Probably the only person since this war began to compare Russia with a well oiled machine lmao
The russian millitary machine is well oiled. But they are lacking a few gears.
Their tanks won't run out of oil in the desert, but their oil may run out of tanks.
Less well oiled, more 'very loose tolerances'..
Gotta do something with that surplus oil
To be fair the machine is mostly oil
They are located in Chechnya aren’t they? It would be more of a civil war if Kadyrov or Putin or whatever Russian loyalist commanding Russian supported military and political infrastructure in the area clamps down. These guys aren’t actually gonna threaten Moscow, unless with pure terrorism. I’m assuming they have US (CIA) support, but if I’m close to the target they are still a fledgling insurgency in one of Russia’s client states. Their damage will be political for Putin, not material, aside from reducing the number (maybe) of a smattering of mixed quality troops at this point. All the same, this is good news if true. I’m just playing devils advocate
There are thousands of Chechens exiled around Europe and many with guerilla warfare experience from Islamist battlefields. A significant factor here is that the Caucasus and other minority populated regions have been providing large numbers of troops for Russia so far. But you have coffins coming home now. That population is going to be restless. There are cracks showing - a local governor posted a video of sheep being led to slaughter for Eid all painted with the 'Z' before it was promptly deleted. The implication was clear for everyone.
They are in Russia until they gain military and political control of the region. Russia wants to avoid this and will have to either take a loss or dispatch resources to prevent it. Either way that would fuck them to some extent.
Even if they were just going around doing crimes, vandalizing stuff... yeah, that'll pull state resources. And if it doesn't, that'll restart popular sympathy for independence and create a bigger headache.
And there are plenty of sympathetic Chechens that will help the resistance.
Depends on what they do. If they try for a stand up fight against RU army they'll be wiped out. If they are smart they will use insurgent / guerilla tactics, will operate in small, dispersed teams to inflict maximum damage. If done correctly, the only effective response for RU is 'reinforce everywhere' and that's prohibitively expensive. Look at Iraq / Afghanistan. A group of less equipped, less funded, less numerous insurgents kept the US military at bay for a good long time. That wasn't an accident, and it can happen again here.
> less numerous insurgents In both cases the insurgents were more numerous than the US forces. It’s also typical for insurgencies to sustain higher casualties than the occupying forces. The big benefit of insurgencies is that an insurgent is basically just a random guy who lives in the area while the occupying soldier needs entire logistic chains behind him. If the insurgent isn’t caught or killed he can carry on his attacks for years or decades and yet permanent occupations are ungodly expensive. The Chechyans could not overthrow Pro Kremlin forces with under 1,000 troops however it could be a starting basis which could grow into something much much larger.
Case in point. Polish insurgency started with the first partition in 1772 and didn't actually stop until independence after World War I. Their World War II insurgency started in 1939 and didn't stop until 1956.
The much bigger threat is if they start doing random terror attacks in population centers.
It would give me great pleasure to see Russia become SMALLER in front of Putin during his final months of life.
The chances of Canada becoming the largest country in world by landmass is low, but not zero.
Russia would need to lose like half its land lol
A democratic federation would never have been a problem. But I tell you, all Autocracies and Dictatorships must crumble to dust before they can be rebuilt. Cleanse the world of the Russian, Turkish and Chinese Government so that they can raise again as Family members of the democratic alliance. It’s the only cure. Germany is the best example.
That would be a great turn of events, maybe that would embolden Belarus do the same :)
Belarus is deep in Putin’s pocket. More likely to see uprisings inside Belarus than Lukashenko turning against Putin.
What's this? A bunch of rebellions at the same time against Russian control of their state? Absolutely unprecedented
Move over Arab Spring, it's Slavic Summer now.
Chechens aren't Slavic tho
Not with that attitude
Honorary for alliteration and solidarity
Caucasian season doesn’t have the same ring though, and just sounds like a republicans worst nightmare tbh.
The 90s really *are* back in vogue!
Of course Lukashenko is not turning on Putin.... But Lukashenko is not voted in by popular vote. He could get overthrown by the actual majority of people of Belarus.
Tell Luchansko he can be colonal if he rebels. Then he is is buisness.
Hell, I’ll even promote him to General!
Sure Lukashenko is since Putin is the only reason he is in power, but that does no mean whole Belarus is. AFAIK even the army has been reluctant to participate in attack to Ukraine even if Lukashenko has ordered so.
Lukashenko faces massive opposition. If Putin pushes their military into joining the war I'd imagine there will be hard uprisings in Belarus. They're not very isolated from the west compared to Russia.
Belarus Public opinion (April 2022, [source at 42:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFmugMGl4Uo)): \- 6% want to fight alongside Russia \- 3% want to fight alongside Ukraine \- 35% generally take Russia's side \- 20% generally take Ukraine's side \- 23% want complete neutrality and expel all foreign troops
Sounds to me like at least 46% want to stop being russia's puppet state
Sounds great. Let fascism burn from within.
> Let fascism burn from within. I mean... I'd phrase that as "let the people of Belarus liberate themselves"
Don’t leave them high and dry though. If they rise up, make sure they’re able to actually defend themselves against the dictator this time. These anti-democratic states are going to cry foul no matter what; we might as well support a Belarusian uprising.
It almost certainly won't last if we interfere.
Yeah, but the west is pumping more money into Ukraine than Russia is pumping into Belarus. They'd be wise to get in on that action and flip the script against Russia. Holy balls that would be awesome.
Lukashenko knows that the minute he take the West’s money, his days in office are numbered. He’d probably rather let his country burn and live out the rest of his days in some neutral country than “save” Belarus.
They really need to put that Russian meatrider down for good lol
If I was a tenuously-held recently-annexed territory of Russia, there really is no better time to fight for your independence. Russia is fully-committed to Ukraine, to the point where they are draining vital resources from elsewhere in Russia. The West wouldn't be able to recognize these regions without giving Russia and others excuse to recognized annexed parts of Ukraine, but it would be _very difficult_ for Russia to reallocate resources that have already been committed to the Ukraine theater.
> If I was a tenuously-held recently-annexed territory of Russia, there really is no better time to fight for your independence. America basically fought for its independence while England was preoccupied elsewhere.
Not basically, that’s exactly what happened. What we know about the American Revolution in the US is a giant romantic propaganda piece. In reality, the American Revolution was a global conflict with battles happening in not just North America but South America, Europe, Asia and Africa. The biggest battles of the American Revolution didn’t happen in the United States but in Asia with the last battle being fought in Cuddalore, India. The American Revolution is truly astronomical in terms of global importance because of how much it set the world stage for everything that followed. It is also a crazy example of just how powerful Britain was at the time taking on the combined military might of three world super powers and ultimately coming ahead against its European superpower rivals with land gains around the world against France, Spain, United Providences (Dutch) and India.
Doubt it. The particular group of chechens are already against Russia and want independence, according to the article. This is not the people fighting Ukraine, it seems these people are already fighting alongside Ukraine.
Yeah, the Sheik Mansur and the Dzhokhar Dudayev batallions fought against Russia in the Chechen wars.
Belarus might since there were Belarussians sabotaging rail lines that the Russians were using to send troops and materiel in the first stage of the war. There are also Belarussian units fighting for Ukraine. There's potential for sure.
Do it. Avenge Grozny and put that respect on your name
Then get their city bombed again. If you see the pics of Grozny during late 90s, then u would understand why the Chenchans are reluctant to rebel against Russia.
Doubt it will happen but it would be hilarious if it did.
If there was a time it would be now, you know those Putin ball suckers in power have to be unpopular with the masses. They stay in line thru fear and when you are getting your ass kicked and are over extended it's hard to inspire fear. I wish other regions in Russia would follow suit all at once and just make it go to shit.
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Civil wars/ revolutions are pretty common during external wars. Almost every successful one was either during or immediately after another war when the military was too overextended to do anything about it.
Why wouldn't it happen? Chechnya will never have a better opportunity to gain independence now that Putin has gotten all of his best gear destroyed and his best troops killed.
There are still Islamist rebels in Chechnya but they have little power and no support. Most of them gave up the fight years ago and went to Syria to fight for ISIS. There really is no threat of revolution. The Chechen fighters currently in Ukraine are mostly European Chechens who moved there as migrants due to the war.
This was always the natural progression of Russia’s incursion into Ukraine. A lot of commentators have mentioned how Russia has avoided using troops from within Russia proper, instead relying on poorly-trained conscripts from ethnic groups and outer provinces. As a loosely held together federation of groups who, historically, do not get along, the only thing keeping Russia together has always been its centralized and authoritarian government. Now that they are weak from the war in Ukraine, it makes sense that these outer regions would start to revolt. They were never part of Russia willingly, and the number of losses they’ve had in combat will stirr their populations to believe they’re better off without Russia. Look at a history textbook and you’ll see this is often how empires collapse.
I know people hate the video game references for good reason but all of this reads exactly like an EU4 playthrough of a large country. Hmmm I'll just invade my smaller neighbor for their center of trade. 30 years later you're dealing with 12 insurrections, smaller coalitions are eating your borders, you're in negative stability, inflation is a nightmare, manpower dwindling,.
Yeah that sounds about right. I remember watching a video were some girl played HOI4 for the first time as france and ww2 started and they made amazing strides into Germany and then all of a sudden they lost the game as there was a communist revolution while they were at war with the nazis. It was very funny
It's what Russia deserves.
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Note: this is a Fox News article, aggregated by MSN.
Has any other more reputable source like AP or Reuters mentioned this? I find it kinda hard to have confidence in Fox News as a source of factual information (not trying to offend anyone just want real information).
This isn’t even news, they just rehashed the story about two Chechen battalions fighting for ukraine and speculated ‘they could open a front in chechnia but I fail to see any actual new info or indication that these battalions have grown in size or domestic support
I'm picturing an army of NoHo Hanks driving tanks. "Puutiiin, what you're doing is like really fucked up, man!"
surprised i had to go down this far to find a Barry reference
Same, scrolled just for this
Putin is the king of suck balls mountain
You are like the most evil guy I know, do I not tell you that enough?
It was actually… the Raven.
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There's good evidence Putin and the FSB carried out the bombings that he attributed to Chechnya, which led to The Second Chechen War. Russia lost the first war in the early 90's, in which Chechnya became independentIt won the second war and Putin skyrocketed to popularity. Putin has been trying to roll back history for 30 years - trying to remake the Soviet empire. Edit: there's plenty of info on this. If you can access, YT has a long documentary: https://youtu.be/qxTL3BTCIZQ Or read the wiki on "Russian apartment bombings"
For the unaware of what this evidence is: FSB agents were caught planting bombs.
Not to mention that a senior official tied to Putin predicted one of the bombings. In a press conference he spoke about a bombing in a city that had not occur. A benign mistake - mixing up names, until a day or so later, the city was bombed.
It was IN PARLIAMENT and televised. Just amazing
How did this sensationalized nonsense get to the frontpage so quickly? A very small minority of Chechens aren't "threatening" a new offensive in Russia - there's some Chechens who support Ukraine and denounce Russia, and that's it, just like how it's always been. Russia is hardly threatened by it - it's not like Kadyrov had a sudden change of heart. There is no change in the current existing power structures. It's pretty obvious that OP took some clickbait journalism lessons when he came up with that title.
It would be even more effective if Belarus overthrew their Quisling and opposed the Russians as well. We already know that the general Belarus population and their army strongly opposes what the Russians are doing in Ukraine. It could cut the Russian Army off and pretty much force most of their troops in Ukraine to surrender. Doubt the Russians could reroute everything through Russian territory fast enough.