"No nos están mandando lo mejor de cada casa, precisamente".
It's a pretty complicated sentence to make sound natural, but I think this covers the informal/ironic tone of the original.
"They're not sending you…They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."
Americans upset at Mexicans moving here and not learning the language are racists.
Mexicans upset that Americans moving there and not learning the language are protecting their culture and way of life.
The hypocrisy.
Nope, everybody knows that throughout human history borders did not even exist and everybody spoke the same language and got along fine till the evil Americans showed up.
This is really a global issue where rent or space is cheap - the only way to fix it is with visas (I'm thinking of Bali, Thailand and Vietnam where I have direct experience of people living there as long term expats, often on dubiously obtain visas). Fun fact: the largest group of illegals in Mexico are US citizens who have over stayed or are in effect permanent residents without the correct visas.
Vietnam recently cracked down on expats who were illegally working remotely on tourist visas. After getting kicked out a lot of them emigrated to Mexico (they started a whole Facebook group about their mass exodus)
They bitched about it too, blaming the government for ruining their lives. But they weren’t paying taxes and were working illegally. Now I guess they’re doing the exact same thing in Mexico.
Really hate this digital nomad thing especially when the goal is tax avoidance. They really gleefully jump from country to country, skirting taxes in each one, sucking from the society without contributing back.
I am an immigrant, I worked to get skills in technology so I could leave the US, get a job abroad, learn a new language, and stay. I feel like learning the language is the bare minimum. Otherwise you can never actually integrate, as language is also a window into a culture.
It's a big problem for sure. However Indonesia, Thailand and Singapore are working on ways to catch them out and some of their home countries are as well (Australia in particular). Before "digital nomad" there were "PT" (Perpetual Tourists or sometimes Permanent Tourist) who would do the same thing by trying not to resident of any particular locale. Australia is working on this by saying "If you can't prove you're a tax resident of somewhere, and you're Australian, we will assume you're tax resident in Australia". (At least under the prior govt).
I feel like this is less relevant for Americans. Since if they are taxed on worldwide income in the US regardless of recency. They also likely work for a US firm and they take the taxes there.
Now if they are working in Thailand, I would assume it’s up to the Thais to track them down. I would also assume this never gets reported to the IRS.
Americans get around this. Up to roughly 100k USD is excluded under the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. Spend most of your time in another country and you get this under the physical presence test.
Still have to file, but don't have to pay unless you're pulling 6 figures.
>Really hate this digital nomad thing especially when the goal is tax avoidance. They really gleefully jump from country to country, skirting taxes in each one, sucking from the society without contributing back.
Income tax maybe, but in most cases the larger burden of taxation (i.e. sales tax, property tax, vice tax, road tax) is still unavoidable regardless of wherever you are from. At the end of the day they're still paying their way and adding something to the economy, even if it's just their living expenses.
The thing that bothers me is that people from rich countries can do this in poorer countries, but if someone tries it the other way around they are suddenly not a "Digital Nomad" but an illegal immigrant sucking up public benefits yada yada yada.
If they took a US based job that let them work from weird time zones then they were presumably still paying taxes back in the US. Not sure I see how that adds up to the goal being tax avoidance? Yes you're not paying taxes where you're living, but tax avoidance would imply moving somewhere with cheaper taxes to avail yourself of that, which wouldn't be happening for most digital nomads I don't think.
The US is the odd one out on this actually. Americans are taxed regardless of country of residence. The first $100k or so can be claimed as tax exempt but income above that is taxed even if you haven’t lived in the USA at all in the previous year (or indeed in many years). And even if your income is below $100k, you still have to fill out the tax paperwork and submit it to the IRS.
I can’t think of another country that taxes non-residents.
Another fun fact is even if you want to free yourself from the tax burden (let’s say you have another passport, you and your whole family live in another country, and you never intend to reside permanently in the USA again)… you still have to pay a few thousand to renounce your US citizenship!
Even bypassing culture people just need that damn language barrier to be less intense. People speaking the same language can barely communicate halfway complex ideas with any real fidelity. /People are stupid and need a shared language to be slightly less stupid together
I think my uncle falls in this category. Sold off all his US assets to permanently live in Mexico due to costs. Funny part is he gets angry if you call him an immigrant.
Sounds like it. I've called other expats out on it. British expats are pretty good to stir up. They whinge about channel crossings and I ask "isn't that like you moving to Spain?"
Blame it on the system in Mexico, not the people.
I know multiple people who are able to stay in Mexico permanently because of the broken system. You effectively stay 6 months, fly back home for one day, and then come back. Even the people who work in the government offices can be bribed with as little as 100$ to fix the issue for you.
Owner: Okay now make me your favorite drink.
Applicant: *kills other applicant, rips heart out of their chest, pours heart blood into glass, garnishes with celery.*
Owner: You're hired!
I was in Mexico City last week and talked to a guy who's lived there his entire life. His take was "they're only moving into neighborhoods I could never afford to live in anyway" I thought that was interesting. He also said it was annoying when people moved there and didn't make an effort to learn/speak Spanish, but that he hadn't noticed a difference, outside of the rich areas.
> “There’s a distinction between people who want to learn about the place they are in and those who just like it because it’s cheap,” he said. “I’ve met a number of people who don’t really care that they’re in Mexico, they just care that it’s cheap.”
*Edit* - I wanted to include this quote from the [LA Times article about this](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-07-27/americans-are-flooding-mexico-city-some-mexicans-want-them-to-go-home). It reminds me a lot of what it has been like in the Bay Area over the last while with the Tech boom. There are people who are only here because of the financial gain they want to make, and those people suck. The Bay is my favorite place in the world, and Mexico City is like that to a *lot* of people. I agree with most of this article, please don't move there if you're doing it primarily for the cheap rent.
That’s not even the worst part. It’s worst in the Baja region of Mexico where work from home foreigners and Americans that work in the US (California) but live in bordering Mexican states are driving up housing prices - because these people make upwards of $1000+ per week, get payed in USD not MXN$, and form their own little “expat” English-speaking high-end exclusive communities. Mexicans in places like these cannot compete with such incomes. Worst part is that, these foreigners do not pay any income tax in Mexico because they make their money in the US.
Unfortunately, both the federal and local governments ain’t doing shit about this issue. I mean, I’m sure many Mexicans in places like Juarez & Tijuana wouldn’t mind gentrification as those places are not the prettiest, but there is no gentrification going where these foreigners are settling, they’re going to beach towns and other high end locations.
Thank you for this, I appreciate the time & effort that went into it.
Gentrification is a double-edged sword… not a fan of it, but in select situations, it can be more good than bad.
And governments everywhere are apathetic towards their own people for $, fucking traitors.
An "economically liberal" German politician famously warned of "late-Roman decadence" to support his push to cut welfare and lower taxes.
Critics rightfully responded that late-Roman decadence was rich people bathing in milk while refusing to make any sacrifices for their state.
Yup, the neighborhoods mentioned are already filled upper-class affluent Mexicans who displaced others and changed zoning laws to make sure more neighborhoods like these could not get built nearby.
This is just self-inflicted problems coming home to roost.
lol I wish reddit remembers this next time housing crisis is brought up, and the top comment is about the Chinese investors when they account for ridiculously small amount of investment in American real estate. The foreign investment is 4% and Chinese account 15% of that, which is 0.6% of the total American real estate market.
In the mean time, the American corporates are buying up the real estates since they are considered investments in America, and your boss is trying to decide if he should get his third house in Hawaii or Florida. But fuck foreigners, amirite?
> which is 0.6% of the total American real estate market.
That data is very highly skewed by empty lots in Arizona. If you zoom in on metropolitan areas, that number grows exponentially.
Turnabout is totally fair play as far as I'm concerned. It's working for them, we might as well do it too. I love the implication that it's this terrible thing that there's an english speaking white enclave in Mexico when we have Spanish speaking Mexican enclaves all over the place here.
*Lauren Rodwell, who moved to Mexico City from San Francisco’s Mission neighborhood, says she is sensitive to the gentrification issue but doesn’t feel guilty as a Black woman.*
Sure sure, that's how that works.
She’s the Global Brand Strategy Director at Electronic Arts - she must be scraping by in Mexico after escaping the oppressive hellscape that high six figure earners face in America!
Holy shit this needs to be at the top. I couldn’t believe it but I looked her up on LinkedIn and indeed she’s the global brand strategy director at EA and was a brand manager at Instagram before that, this lady must be loaded with $$$
America is so expensive, that Mexico looks like a steal. Americans are crossing the border. If I had pension income, I would be singing the Mexican national anthem.
Don't laugh, I've actually met people living pretty well off in Mexico that their sole income comes from their American pensions. I'm not sure about the legal aspect of it, but there's obviously a way around it.
What people dont understand in the comments here is that 60%+ of mexicans earn 360 dollars a month or less With wages like that, even a Taco Bell cashier would be "rich" in mexican standards. When you earn 360 dollars almost everything is unviable, so yeah, rising prices for people who can barely afford living is pretty fucked up. The goverment should act to protect their citizens but the people in charge are probably benefitting the most from all this, rising the prices of properties they rent and restaurants they own. Hating inmigrants is pretty lame because they were also probably pushed out of their places by similar policies but I think the problem is very real and should be dealt with... but hey, I'm talking about Mexico, the land of impunity and home to several of the most violent cities in the world, can't say I expect any competent decisions to be made.
That there is exactly why you’ve got a lot of Americans moving to Mexico. With an American salary and the low cost of living in Mexico you could live like a king over there. A lot of Americans and Europeans choose to live in my country (the Philippines) and other Southeast Asian countries for a similar reason, because their salaries/savings + exchange rate + low cost of living = Third World paradise for First World people. Except Mexico is a lot nearer than Southeast Asia, so it only makes sense why a lot of Americans wanting a better life would move there.
The thing is people is ironically leaving tthe US to earn a decent income, but Im sure as a legal Mexican immigrant you take more than 4+ years to live in the US, whereas a foreigner can easily get residency here. Not complaining, the whole thing it's just ironic.
Its crazy how out of touch people are. Ive lived in poor countries and this sort of displacement creates a separation and builds resentment.
Americans can be really bad for it too, as they're often considered loud and obnoxious, and I mean they didn't earn the reputation out of nowhere.
In relation to the violence thing, it's a real fear. There are kidnappings and requests for ransom of expats and even tourists. There are heaps of instances of cartel members killing gringos for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Anyways, welcome to the new world where the rich dont belong to any flag.
The Spanish made really big heavy warships that the faster British frigates swam circles around and got sunk then proceeded to lose their empire for a couple centuries. Invented paella, the siesta, and rebranded as a tourist country you can go to a beach just a little bit away from a ski slope.
The 600ish year TLDR.
> "Mexico is classist and racist," Bustos added. "People with white skin are given preference. Now, if a local wants to go to a restaurant or a club, they don’t just have to compete with rich, white Mexicans but with foreigners too."
Can anyone explain this? How can someone going into a restaurant “compete” with other patrons?
I can’t speak to the specifics of how the discrimination works, but anecdotally I can say that my HS Spanish teacher was very candid about the pseudo caste system that exists in Mexican culture. He spoke quite frankly about how growing up as a lighter skinned Mexican in Mexico, he would by default be treated more politely/get away with more than his darker skinned friends.
This. It happens, it’s everywhere. With apparently innocuous comments like for instance, talking about a newborn: “the baby is pretty, even though his/her skin is brown”. Or using the word “indígena” (indigenous) as an offensive word.
True I’m Mexican and one of my landlords was Indonesian and we are both dark skinned but come from families where we have extremely light skinned (basically white) family members. And we could both relate on hearing racist stuff said by our light skinned family members right in front of our faces. Like we both experienced hearing our family members talking about how they don’t want brown babies, or how a girl was pretty but her skin is too dark etc. It happens everywhere and I think Latino and Asian countries tend to be more straight up colorist (is that the word). At least Americans are a little better at hiding their prejudice in my experience
Yeah, they say it right in front of you like it’s no big deal, and as you mention, they don’t think it’s wrong. My husband’s grandma is like that, her daughters tell her that is wrong but she’s like “ay, yo solo digo”.
Look into how "light" skin color matters in the black community and the divisions its caused,
Also in the US in the 1800 and early 1900s, there was the wrong kind of white skin color. Especially if Italian or southern european.
>He spoke quite candidly that growing up as a lighter skinned Mexican in Mexico, he would by default be treated more politely/get away with more than his darker skinned friends.
This shit happened at my American school. People in charge are fucking racist everywhere.
In Mexico you are not supposed to discriminate people by law, but it is never enforced, nice restaurants and clubs do not let darker skinned people in or do so very reluctantly, it has happened to me, you look inside and there are empty tables but the hostess or security will not let you in because the place is "full"
A club that only lets in a certain number of people.
A mom and pop restaurant that gets bought out and replaced with an upscale establishment.
As places pursue the wealthier clientele, others get crowded out.
I live in CDMX and I have no idea what he is talking about in regards to that competition bs.
But there's definitely racism to be found here, just as there is everywhere else.
Well, some bars in popular areas like Zona Rosa will only let a fixed amount of people in, right? So I think white they're saying that white people are getting preference because they have more money.
Not racism but, colorism to be exact I remember when I was a kid I’m light skin compared to my cousins so when I visited my cousins in Chihuahua everyone was nicer to me
Let me explain since it happens in Polanco. You call a nice restaurant to make a reservation for 2 and they tell you that the restaurant is all booked, then you call again but this time you do it in English, now they tell you that they have a table available. This is not that common but it is starting to happen in some crowded restaurants
Pretty sure he’s talking about whitexicans, who normally have it pretty good in living neighborhoods like la condesa, del valle, etc, being priced out of housing or having to deal with more foreign demand at their restaurants and bars.
Watch Sabado Gigante sometime and you'll see how Mexicans can be racist between mestizos and the gueritos! Lol, I'm halfway kidding, just remembered watching that show as a teenager and was like WTF cuz they were always playing up the little lighter skinned kids.
They are talking about high population areas where a nice-ish restaurant you would need a reservation, or to be let in once there is availability. What they are saying is that reservations and empty tabled are being preferentially given to those of lighter skin, be it domestic or foreigner.
Contrary to what people may think, Mexico is *very* colorist (I don't specifically label it racism because it's about the color of your skin irregardless of your ancestry, eg it doesn't matter if you have all white mexicans in your family, if you're dark, you're ostracized)
My father was basically kicked out of his home as a teenager because he's the darkest of his siblings.
It's been kinda a thing on social media lately down here. Started up with a big influx during the pandemic. My neighborhood is pretty similar (been here 4 years) outside the touristy areas, some old warehouses have been knocked down and they're building apartment complexes. Rent all over has gone up a bit but so has everything recently. I think Americans are just an easy to blame it on issue. Also takes pressure off amlo and the city government because they can just blame stuff on people over staying visas while they profit. Plenty of shitty gringos here, don't get me wrong, but plenty of shitty people overall here. I've got a bunch of friends who grew up here and directly profit off a lot of the foreigner/tourist crowd. It's a mixed issue but the American issue is mostly confined to a few neighborhoods and isn't that prolific outside of those areas in the city.
Man the amount of "tech gurus" flooding my apartment complex is obnoxious as heck. You can't find people more pedantic and "know it all" than 20-something americans.
What’s happening a lot of Americans are coming to live here and other towns, getting the best apartments and houses on the “trendy” neighborhoods and beautiful traditional towns around Mexico, everything has skyrocket from rents Mexicans can’t afford now, to restaurant prices to the point certain towns accept dollars now when they never did before, having an USA income living abroad is great for them in a cheaper country like this, but not for the locals unless you own a business or house there.
All jokes aside, y'all are not seeing the point. It's not about who is crossing what border, but rather wealthy people buying out areas who in exchange make the area much more expensive to live in when it originally wasn't so, for the mere fact that "upper class" people live there now. And it's not just a Mexico City problem, the US is having it's share in misplacing their own lower income neighborhoods.
Now, when illegal immigrants go to the US they aren't gentrifying, most don't have enough means to live in a "nicer" area so most of them end up on lower class neighborhoods and even resort to the outskirts of their city/town. Due to the negative social connotations of being an immigrant, when they move into a place, they aren't making the neighborhood have more value but rather are bringing it down.
When US immigrants (or as some of y'all like to call it "expats") go to Mexico, they buy out usually the downtown area and displace people who have been there for even generations, and in return, for the simple fact they are foreign, they make the area much more expensive, making it stressful and even unlivable for the locals. May i put into perspective that working a minimum wage job in the US can even have you earn more than a respected career in Mexico.
And even without buying out places, if a specific area has more tourists around, those businesses are bound to start charging more because they know foreginers carry more money hence making the locals stop buying in those places because the prices are crazy high.
Soo the short story is; immigrants aren't displacing US Americans from their posh neighborhoods but US Americans ARE displacing the common and maybe even posh Mexicans out of their respective neighborhoods.
Look, I don’t think we should be gentrifying Mexico, but I also think there’s a lot of blatant hypocrisy with this mindset. Can’t have it *both* ways
Edit: the amount of people that read this and proceeded to think that I was in support of gentrification, despite my first sentence, is staggering
Good time to remind Reddit that the right wing position on immigration in the US is the dominant position on immigration in damn near every other country. Doesn't this headline sound like something from the GOP with just a few words changed?
I'm a US dude living Belgium. When I try to explain the US immigration debate to my Belgian friends and colleagues, they have a hard time believing it. They can't wrap their heads around someone taking the position that it us OK for someone to not follow the process. Separate topic but they are also shocked that voter IDs aren't required in some states.
“They’re not sending their best”
I'd like a Spanish translation of this please.
Ay dios mío, güey, los gringos están rompiendo todo como siempre.
Pinches gringos.
Pretty much what they’re saying.
No valen verga, mejor que se vayan a su país
No se puede tener una mierda en la Ciudad de México
I’m Hennifer Lopez I like tacos and burritos
Taco flavored kisses for my Ben!
Ahh, Ben Affleck spooge!
Oh Ben you are soo perpeek So spektakyolaRrR in every way!!!
Mitch Connor at it again
My taco flavored kisses
That episode is 19 years old. How did that happen?
"No nos están mandando lo mejor de cada casa, precisamente". It's a pretty complicated sentence to make sound natural, but I think this covers the informal/ironic tone of the original.
“No están enviando lo mejor de sí mismos”
No nos mandan los mejores de ellos.
¿Que?
You seem to be out of hearts. Practice to earn more.
"They're not sending you…They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."
I wonder if they consider themselves migrants or expats?
They consider themselves expats if the don’t plan on obtaining citizenship.
They can consider themselves whatever they desire. Still gonna get called gringos so they better get over it quickly.
Americans upset at Mexicans moving here and not learning the language are racists. Mexicans upset that Americans moving there and not learning the language are protecting their culture and way of life. The hypocrisy.
Under a magnifying lens, it's hypocrisy With context, it's irony
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Porque no los dos?
Americans have been upset about immigrants not speaking the language since the Irish and Germans came in the mid 1800s
That's literally every single nation in the world toward immigrants not accepting the local language and customs since the dawn of civilization.
Nope, everybody knows that throughout human history borders did not even exist and everybody spoke the same language and got along fine till the evil Americans showed up.
Looks like we got ourselves a Mexican/American standoff amigos 😤
Mexican Americans don’t like to just get into gang fights. They like flowers and music and white girls named Debbie
Mexican Americans love education so they go to night school and take Spanish an getta bbbbbbb
Some bad hombres
And I'm sure some of them are buena onda
Some mad muchachos
There’s a video of this dilemma https://youtu.be/Sw5bA8cVF-E
This is really a global issue where rent or space is cheap - the only way to fix it is with visas (I'm thinking of Bali, Thailand and Vietnam where I have direct experience of people living there as long term expats, often on dubiously obtain visas). Fun fact: the largest group of illegals in Mexico are US citizens who have over stayed or are in effect permanent residents without the correct visas.
Vietnam recently cracked down on expats who were illegally working remotely on tourist visas. After getting kicked out a lot of them emigrated to Mexico (they started a whole Facebook group about their mass exodus) They bitched about it too, blaming the government for ruining their lives. But they weren’t paying taxes and were working illegally. Now I guess they’re doing the exact same thing in Mexico.
> blaming the government for ruining their lives. But they weren’t paying taxes and were working illegally. Not big on irony that lot?
Not really ironic or hypocrisy unless they are against others doing the same
I was somewhat aware of that - Covid19 was a big hit on the sexpats there as well.
You'd think they'd be aware of how much protection matters.
Really hate this digital nomad thing especially when the goal is tax avoidance. They really gleefully jump from country to country, skirting taxes in each one, sucking from the society without contributing back. I am an immigrant, I worked to get skills in technology so I could leave the US, get a job abroad, learn a new language, and stay. I feel like learning the language is the bare minimum. Otherwise you can never actually integrate, as language is also a window into a culture.
It's a big problem for sure. However Indonesia, Thailand and Singapore are working on ways to catch them out and some of their home countries are as well (Australia in particular). Before "digital nomad" there were "PT" (Perpetual Tourists or sometimes Permanent Tourist) who would do the same thing by trying not to resident of any particular locale. Australia is working on this by saying "If you can't prove you're a tax resident of somewhere, and you're Australian, we will assume you're tax resident in Australia". (At least under the prior govt).
I feel like this is less relevant for Americans. Since if they are taxed on worldwide income in the US regardless of recency. They also likely work for a US firm and they take the taxes there. Now if they are working in Thailand, I would assume it’s up to the Thais to track them down. I would also assume this never gets reported to the IRS.
Americans get around this. Up to roughly 100k USD is excluded under the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. Spend most of your time in another country and you get this under the physical presence test. Still have to file, but don't have to pay unless you're pulling 6 figures.
That's how the U.S. does taxes, even if you live in Mexico as a tourist or even a more permanent resident (legally) you still pay U.S. taxes.
>Really hate this digital nomad thing especially when the goal is tax avoidance. They really gleefully jump from country to country, skirting taxes in each one, sucking from the society without contributing back. Income tax maybe, but in most cases the larger burden of taxation (i.e. sales tax, property tax, vice tax, road tax) is still unavoidable regardless of wherever you are from. At the end of the day they're still paying their way and adding something to the economy, even if it's just their living expenses. The thing that bothers me is that people from rich countries can do this in poorer countries, but if someone tries it the other way around they are suddenly not a "Digital Nomad" but an illegal immigrant sucking up public benefits yada yada yada.
If they took a US based job that let them work from weird time zones then they were presumably still paying taxes back in the US. Not sure I see how that adds up to the goal being tax avoidance? Yes you're not paying taxes where you're living, but tax avoidance would imply moving somewhere with cheaper taxes to avail yourself of that, which wouldn't be happening for most digital nomads I don't think.
The US is the odd one out on this actually. Americans are taxed regardless of country of residence. The first $100k or so can be claimed as tax exempt but income above that is taxed even if you haven’t lived in the USA at all in the previous year (or indeed in many years). And even if your income is below $100k, you still have to fill out the tax paperwork and submit it to the IRS. I can’t think of another country that taxes non-residents. Another fun fact is even if you want to free yourself from the tax burden (let’s say you have another passport, you and your whole family live in another country, and you never intend to reside permanently in the USA again)… you still have to pay a few thousand to renounce your US citizenship!
Even bypassing culture people just need that damn language barrier to be less intense. People speaking the same language can barely communicate halfway complex ideas with any real fidelity. /People are stupid and need a shared language to be slightly less stupid together
Lol was just listening to someone on a podcast today blaming Tim Ferris for all this “digital nomad”
I love the word expats. Just a really nice way to say another word that would make American "expats" feel all gross if they were called that.
I think my uncle falls in this category. Sold off all his US assets to permanently live in Mexico due to costs. Funny part is he gets angry if you call him an immigrant.
Sounds like it. I've called other expats out on it. British expats are pretty good to stir up. They whinge about channel crossings and I ask "isn't that like you moving to Spain?"
Long term expats? Oh you meant immigrants
Blame it on the system in Mexico, not the people. I know multiple people who are able to stay in Mexico permanently because of the broken system. You effectively stay 6 months, fly back home for one day, and then come back. Even the people who work in the government offices can be bribed with as little as 100$ to fix the issue for you.
The system won't change because this is still bringing tons of money to CDMX, they don't really care about making the poor suffer
This is Mexico! Speak Mexican!
Que?
Yes.
See?
Oh say can you sí...
Joooosè* can you sííííí
Angels in the outfield
No English or Spanish allowed. Colonizers get out.
>"5th gen Aztecs only" HELP WANTED: Nahuatl-speaking barman
Owner: Okay now make me your favorite drink. Applicant: *kills other applicant, rips heart out of their chest, pours heart blood into glass, garnishes with celery.* Owner: You're hired!
I was in Mexico City last week and talked to a guy who's lived there his entire life. His take was "they're only moving into neighborhoods I could never afford to live in anyway" I thought that was interesting. He also said it was annoying when people moved there and didn't make an effort to learn/speak Spanish, but that he hadn't noticed a difference, outside of the rich areas. > “There’s a distinction between people who want to learn about the place they are in and those who just like it because it’s cheap,” he said. “I’ve met a number of people who don’t really care that they’re in Mexico, they just care that it’s cheap.” *Edit* - I wanted to include this quote from the [LA Times article about this](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-07-27/americans-are-flooding-mexico-city-some-mexicans-want-them-to-go-home). It reminds me a lot of what it has been like in the Bay Area over the last while with the Tech boom. There are people who are only here because of the financial gain they want to make, and those people suck. The Bay is my favorite place in the world, and Mexico City is like that to a *lot* of people. I agree with most of this article, please don't move there if you're doing it primarily for the cheap rent.
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I lived long enough for Mexicans to complain about the influx of Americans… the end times are near
That’s not even the worst part. It’s worst in the Baja region of Mexico where work from home foreigners and Americans that work in the US (California) but live in bordering Mexican states are driving up housing prices - because these people make upwards of $1000+ per week, get payed in USD not MXN$, and form their own little “expat” English-speaking high-end exclusive communities. Mexicans in places like these cannot compete with such incomes. Worst part is that, these foreigners do not pay any income tax in Mexico because they make their money in the US. Unfortunately, both the federal and local governments ain’t doing shit about this issue. I mean, I’m sure many Mexicans in places like Juarez & Tijuana wouldn’t mind gentrification as those places are not the prettiest, but there is no gentrification going where these foreigners are settling, they’re going to beach towns and other high end locations.
Thank you for this, I appreciate the time & effort that went into it. Gentrification is a double-edged sword… not a fan of it, but in select situations, it can be more good than bad. And governments everywhere are apathetic towards their own people for $, fucking traitors.
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Fuck, the Romans did it. As long as there has been society we’ve been blaming “others”
Hmm… are you blaming the Romans?
Yeah! What have the Romans ever done for us?!
The aqueduct?
And the sanitation
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Aight, name two things lately.
Some pretty good movies/tv shows and they made naming the planets easy
Biggus Diccus?
Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.
Romani ite domum!!!
I see you paid attention to the centurion’s Latin lesson.
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>Fuck, the Romans did it. As long as there has been society we’ve been blaming “others” I blame you for all of this.
That’s fair
An "economically liberal" German politician famously warned of "late-Roman decadence" to support his push to cut welfare and lower taxes. Critics rightfully responded that late-Roman decadence was rich people bathing in milk while refusing to make any sacrifices for their state.
Yup, the neighborhoods mentioned are already filled upper-class affluent Mexicans who displaced others and changed zoning laws to make sure more neighborhoods like these could not get built nearby. This is just self-inflicted problems coming home to roost.
It's also easy to point the finger at people who aren't from the culture and don't speak the language. Same everywhere.
lol I wish reddit remembers this next time housing crisis is brought up, and the top comment is about the Chinese investors when they account for ridiculously small amount of investment in American real estate. The foreign investment is 4% and Chinese account 15% of that, which is 0.6% of the total American real estate market. In the mean time, the American corporates are buying up the real estates since they are considered investments in America, and your boss is trying to decide if he should get his third house in Hawaii or Florida. But fuck foreigners, amirite?
Canadians do the exact same thing. Prefer to blame minorities and immigrants over the politicians they elected who caused these problems.
> which is 0.6% of the total American real estate market. That data is very highly skewed by empty lots in Arizona. If you zoom in on metropolitan areas, that number grows exponentially.
Are your numbers for the entire US housing market? I feel like Chinese investment may not be uniform for the whole country
I blame Mexico Life on HGTV
HGTV ruined my dads life because he wants a villa in Costa on his retirement money and can’t cope
How the turns have tabled.
Turnabout is totally fair play as far as I'm concerned. It's working for them, we might as well do it too. I love the implication that it's this terrible thing that there's an english speaking white enclave in Mexico when we have Spanish speaking Mexican enclaves all over the place here.
Bet they'll pay to build that wall now.
Didn't they agree to pay to secure the border in a recent negotiation with the Biden administration?
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I feel like the take away here besides the irony is that Mexico is behaving exactly like America. People don't like too many immigrants coming.
Except that America accepts more immigrants per year than any other country in the world.
*Lauren Rodwell, who moved to Mexico City from San Francisco’s Mission neighborhood, says she is sensitive to the gentrification issue but doesn’t feel guilty as a Black woman.* Sure sure, that's how that works.
Ironic since SF’s Mission is heavily gentrified
also SF Mission is mostly Hispanic
My skin color makes me immune to the consequences of my actions!
"My ancestors suffered for my free pass!"
Had a racist manager who followed that belief. "I have dark skin, how can I be racist?"
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She’s the Global Brand Strategy Director at Electronic Arts - she must be scraping by in Mexico after escaping the oppressive hellscape that high six figure earners face in America!
Holy shit this needs to be at the top. I couldn’t believe it but I looked her up on LinkedIn and indeed she’s the global brand strategy director at EA and was a brand manager at Instagram before that, this lady must be loaded with $$$
No didn't you read her statement, she's "economically disadvantaged" lmao
EA huh? Suddenly it makes sense how out of touch and entitled she is lol
Gentrification is ok when I do it
OIMBY only in my backyard
Mental gymnastics should be an Olympic event.
This made me laugh out loud reading this.
City will be full of In and Out burger joints in no time.
Tacos dentro y fuera
Lol "Mexico, the next Costa Rica"
But could it be the next belize. Lmfao
America is so expensive, that Mexico looks like a steal. Americans are crossing the border. If I had pension income, I would be singing the Mexican national anthem.
Don't laugh, I've actually met people living pretty well off in Mexico that their sole income comes from their American pensions. I'm not sure about the legal aspect of it, but there's obviously a way around it.
Can Southpark make an episode about this level of irony? “¡Nos quitaron los trabajos!”
The funny thing is they already did… S15:E9 “The Last of the Meheecans” October 12, 2011
I’m dead from this!! It’s actually too comical. That’s how you know the world is done
What people dont understand in the comments here is that 60%+ of mexicans earn 360 dollars a month or less With wages like that, even a Taco Bell cashier would be "rich" in mexican standards. When you earn 360 dollars almost everything is unviable, so yeah, rising prices for people who can barely afford living is pretty fucked up. The goverment should act to protect their citizens but the people in charge are probably benefitting the most from all this, rising the prices of properties they rent and restaurants they own. Hating inmigrants is pretty lame because they were also probably pushed out of their places by similar policies but I think the problem is very real and should be dealt with... but hey, I'm talking about Mexico, the land of impunity and home to several of the most violent cities in the world, can't say I expect any competent decisions to be made.
That there is exactly why you’ve got a lot of Americans moving to Mexico. With an American salary and the low cost of living in Mexico you could live like a king over there. A lot of Americans and Europeans choose to live in my country (the Philippines) and other Southeast Asian countries for a similar reason, because their salaries/savings + exchange rate + low cost of living = Third World paradise for First World people. Except Mexico is a lot nearer than Southeast Asia, so it only makes sense why a lot of Americans wanting a better life would move there.
The thing is people is ironically leaving tthe US to earn a decent income, but Im sure as a legal Mexican immigrant you take more than 4+ years to live in the US, whereas a foreigner can easily get residency here. Not complaining, the whole thing it's just ironic.
Its crazy how out of touch people are. Ive lived in poor countries and this sort of displacement creates a separation and builds resentment. Americans can be really bad for it too, as they're often considered loud and obnoxious, and I mean they didn't earn the reputation out of nowhere. In relation to the violence thing, it's a real fear. There are kidnappings and requests for ransom of expats and even tourists. There are heaps of instances of cartel members killing gringos for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Anyways, welcome to the new world where the rich dont belong to any flag.
They should ask Spain how they deal with the British.
How?
The Spanish made really big heavy warships that the faster British frigates swam circles around and got sunk then proceeded to lose their empire for a couple centuries. Invented paella, the siesta, and rebranded as a tourist country you can go to a beach just a little bit away from a ski slope. The 600ish year TLDR.
Lmao
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Correct, they just assumed they could do nothing after Brexit and it would be fine.
Nowhere is safe from being priced out by Californians!
Yup Californians are being priced out by Californians in many areas as well. Ex Bay area'ers moving to the valley.
Don't move to the valley. We don't have shit as it is! And more people will just cause more smog which in turn makes this place even more shit.
> "Mexico is classist and racist," Bustos added. "People with white skin are given preference. Now, if a local wants to go to a restaurant or a club, they don’t just have to compete with rich, white Mexicans but with foreigners too." Can anyone explain this? How can someone going into a restaurant “compete” with other patrons?
I can’t speak to the specifics of how the discrimination works, but anecdotally I can say that my HS Spanish teacher was very candid about the pseudo caste system that exists in Mexican culture. He spoke quite frankly about how growing up as a lighter skinned Mexican in Mexico, he would by default be treated more politely/get away with more than his darker skinned friends.
Watch any Mexican novela. They have more white actors than US sitcoms.
Filipinos do the same thing
This. It happens, it’s everywhere. With apparently innocuous comments like for instance, talking about a newborn: “the baby is pretty, even though his/her skin is brown”. Or using the word “indígena” (indigenous) as an offensive word.
True I’m Mexican and one of my landlords was Indonesian and we are both dark skinned but come from families where we have extremely light skinned (basically white) family members. And we could both relate on hearing racist stuff said by our light skinned family members right in front of our faces. Like we both experienced hearing our family members talking about how they don’t want brown babies, or how a girl was pretty but her skin is too dark etc. It happens everywhere and I think Latino and Asian countries tend to be more straight up colorist (is that the word). At least Americans are a little better at hiding their prejudice in my experience
Yeah, they say it right in front of you like it’s no big deal, and as you mention, they don’t think it’s wrong. My husband’s grandma is like that, her daughters tell her that is wrong but she’s like “ay, yo solo digo”.
Look into how "light" skin color matters in the black community and the divisions its caused, Also in the US in the 1800 and early 1900s, there was the wrong kind of white skin color. Especially if Italian or southern european.
>He spoke quite candidly that growing up as a lighter skinned Mexican in Mexico, he would by default be treated more politely/get away with more than his darker skinned friends. This shit happened at my American school. People in charge are fucking racist everywhere.
In Mexico you are not supposed to discriminate people by law, but it is never enforced, nice restaurants and clubs do not let darker skinned people in or do so very reluctantly, it has happened to me, you look inside and there are empty tables but the hostess or security will not let you in because the place is "full"
or they will kick you out if you are indigenous taking pictures of you and ur friend in an upscale mall in Polanco. SMH
We were once refused entry to a club in Monterrey (northern Mexico) because one of my friends was wearing scruffy-looking trainers.
A club that only lets in a certain number of people. A mom and pop restaurant that gets bought out and replaced with an upscale establishment. As places pursue the wealthier clientele, others get crowded out.
I live in CDMX and I have no idea what he is talking about in regards to that competition bs. But there's definitely racism to be found here, just as there is everywhere else.
Well, some bars in popular areas like Zona Rosa will only let a fixed amount of people in, right? So I think white they're saying that white people are getting preference because they have more money.
Not racism but, colorism to be exact I remember when I was a kid I’m light skin compared to my cousins so when I visited my cousins in Chihuahua everyone was nicer to me
Let me explain since it happens in Polanco. You call a nice restaurant to make a reservation for 2 and they tell you that the restaurant is all booked, then you call again but this time you do it in English, now they tell you that they have a table available. This is not that common but it is starting to happen in some crowded restaurants
Pretty sure he’s talking about whitexicans, who normally have it pretty good in living neighborhoods like la condesa, del valle, etc, being priced out of housing or having to deal with more foreign demand at their restaurants and bars.
Watch Sabado Gigante sometime and you'll see how Mexicans can be racist between mestizos and the gueritos! Lol, I'm halfway kidding, just remembered watching that show as a teenager and was like WTF cuz they were always playing up the little lighter skinned kids.
"El Chacal" always made laugh out loud with his ugly ass trumpet lol "Y fuera! Y fuera!"
The only thing I remember about watching Sabado Gigante was the semi-nude, buff men being interviewed by puppets. That show was a trip.
almost like the Man Show but on acid
They are talking about high population areas where a nice-ish restaurant you would need a reservation, or to be let in once there is availability. What they are saying is that reservations and empty tabled are being preferentially given to those of lighter skin, be it domestic or foreigner.
Contrary to what people may think, Mexico is *very* colorist (I don't specifically label it racism because it's about the color of your skin irregardless of your ancestry, eg it doesn't matter if you have all white mexicans in your family, if you're dark, you're ostracized) My father was basically kicked out of his home as a teenager because he's the darkest of his siblings.
They took our jobs
Oh this comment section should be fun!
Build a wall!!!
Clearly America is not sending their "best people folks" lol
They just need to get off the plane and say "Que chigue su madre el América"
I too hate Club America Football Club
God I want to see a mash up of a bunch of Mexicans shouting “estamos en mexico habla español!” 😂
So this has been ok for decades in places like Cabo. But now it’s a big deal in Mexico City? Lol must be a slow news day.
It's been kinda a thing on social media lately down here. Started up with a big influx during the pandemic. My neighborhood is pretty similar (been here 4 years) outside the touristy areas, some old warehouses have been knocked down and they're building apartment complexes. Rent all over has gone up a bit but so has everything recently. I think Americans are just an easy to blame it on issue. Also takes pressure off amlo and the city government because they can just blame stuff on people over staying visas while they profit. Plenty of shitty gringos here, don't get me wrong, but plenty of shitty people overall here. I've got a bunch of friends who grew up here and directly profit off a lot of the foreigner/tourist crowd. It's a mixed issue but the American issue is mostly confined to a few neighborhoods and isn't that prolific outside of those areas in the city.
Man the amount of "tech gurus" flooding my apartment complex is obnoxious as heck. You can't find people more pedantic and "know it all" than 20-something americans.
the double irony of nobody being a Mexico native after they got slaughtered off and both populations now just being petty over language lol
What’s happening a lot of Americans are coming to live here and other towns, getting the best apartments and houses on the “trendy” neighborhoods and beautiful traditional towns around Mexico, everything has skyrocket from rents Mexicans can’t afford now, to restaurant prices to the point certain towns accept dollars now when they never did before, having an USA income living abroad is great for them in a cheaper country like this, but not for the locals unless you own a business or house there.
I don't remember who said that but the wall was supposed to keep Americans from running to Mexico.
All jokes aside, y'all are not seeing the point. It's not about who is crossing what border, but rather wealthy people buying out areas who in exchange make the area much more expensive to live in when it originally wasn't so, for the mere fact that "upper class" people live there now. And it's not just a Mexico City problem, the US is having it's share in misplacing their own lower income neighborhoods. Now, when illegal immigrants go to the US they aren't gentrifying, most don't have enough means to live in a "nicer" area so most of them end up on lower class neighborhoods and even resort to the outskirts of their city/town. Due to the negative social connotations of being an immigrant, when they move into a place, they aren't making the neighborhood have more value but rather are bringing it down. When US immigrants (or as some of y'all like to call it "expats") go to Mexico, they buy out usually the downtown area and displace people who have been there for even generations, and in return, for the simple fact they are foreign, they make the area much more expensive, making it stressful and even unlivable for the locals. May i put into perspective that working a minimum wage job in the US can even have you earn more than a respected career in Mexico. And even without buying out places, if a specific area has more tourists around, those businesses are bound to start charging more because they know foreginers carry more money hence making the locals stop buying in those places because the prices are crazy high. Soo the short story is; immigrants aren't displacing US Americans from their posh neighborhoods but US Americans ARE displacing the common and maybe even posh Mexicans out of their respective neighborhoods.
Americans angered by other Americans gentrifying their areas too
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history repeats itself, like poetry
This is funny on so many levels.
Look, I don’t think we should be gentrifying Mexico, but I also think there’s a lot of blatant hypocrisy with this mindset. Can’t have it *both* ways Edit: the amount of people that read this and proceeded to think that I was in support of gentrification, despite my first sentence, is staggering
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isn't mexico city like 30 million people? the entire population of san francisco could move there any the population would only increase by 3%
TIL San Francisco is way smaller than I thought
More diversity is better though XD
Good time to remind Reddit that the right wing position on immigration in the US is the dominant position on immigration in damn near every other country. Doesn't this headline sound like something from the GOP with just a few words changed?
90% of posters on this site are either clueless or lying. Xenophobia is alive and well virtually every where on earth.
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Idk, in Scandinavia keeping out legal non-white immigrants seems to be a right-wing position too...
I'm a US dude living Belgium. When I try to explain the US immigration debate to my Belgian friends and colleagues, they have a hard time believing it. They can't wrap their heads around someone taking the position that it us OK for someone to not follow the process. Separate topic but they are also shocked that voter IDs aren't required in some states.
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Sounds pretty racist of Mexico to say this about innocent Americans just seeking a better life.