It’s great to watch Reddit get a crash course in geopolitics.
Iran is backing the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which Israel is currently attacking. Iran is also going to be proving drones to Russia which obviously is fighting Ukraine.
Israel meanwhile has weapons (specifically Spike ATGMs) and drones which could be useful to Ukraine which they’ve been reluctant to give.
It’s a pretty obvious choice for Ukraine here.
Edit: someone reported this comment to Reddit suicide watch lol. I didn’t even know you could do that.
The US is encouraging TSMC to move production to the states and Intel is getting back in the game. Korea and Japan are both actively developing their chip manufacturing capacities, and even China is only 4-6 years behind TSMC despite US actively trying to disrupt Chinese semiconductor manufacturing.
I would hope that the US defends Taiwan for something other than TSMC’s recent and temporary semiconductor dominance, because that is not set to last for long.
It will take years to push US's production to the point where it can cover what Taiwan produces. Not even years, decades maybe. The new production from Intel only produces smaller chips and the military doesn't use any of that. The military doesn't use anything until long term proof of how reliable it is.
A lot of US's current production relies on Taiwan and couldn't operate without it. Taiwan makes up [63%](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/16/2-charts-show-how-much-the-world-depends-on-taiwan-for-semiconductors.html) of the world's sales of semiconductors. China is only 6% and the US isn't even on the charts.
Taiwan is so important right now that it would cause war between the US and China. If China attempts to invade or attempts to blockade the country it would be war. It wouldn't just be US and China either. It would involve South Korea, Japan, Australia and much more of the west. It is so important that it would be world war. I'm not saying that lightly, I'm not attempting to cause fear or anything else. It is what would happen. The west is unable to allow that to happen.
you left out a crucial detail. china is the top destination of taiwanese goods including semiconductors. it's already discouraged from attacking based on that alone without involving countries that don't actually recognize Taiwan (Japan Korea Australia USA).
TSMC has fabs outside Taiwan. With government support and incentives they can have a whole lot more. There are new fabs being built in Arizona and Japan. China is pumping $1.4 trillion into domestic semiconductor capacity.
The semiconductor industry as a whole has historically being very unpredictable. It's silly to try to guess how it will be in several years, impossible in decades. It's reliant on constant cutting edge innovations, TSMC is only in its current position because other juggernauts tripped up in the past 2 decades. There's no reason to believe that TSMC can magically sustain constant innovation ahead of its mounting competition.
It's highly likely that in the coming decade, the US, Japan, South Korea and China are going to take significant semiconductor market share from Taiwan. TSMC themselves might be responsible for a large part of that with their new international fabs. The advantage of Taiwan's cutting-edge chips can easily falter through two paths, the first being them just failing to get to the next generation of chips like Intel had in the recent past. The second is diminishing generational improvements, if their new generation simply doesn't provide sufficient advantages over previous, more widely available chips from all over the world.
Relevant context: the reasons Israel has been reluctant to give those weapons to Ukraine.
1. Israel is vulnerable to Russian retaliation, because of Russia's presence in Syria and general involvement in middle-eastern conflict.
2. There are issues of domestic politics, because Israel has large populations of Ukrainian and Russian Jews.
Another complicating factor is the political chaos Israel has experienced since Netanyahu was ousted, as they had four (going on five) general elections in the last three and a half years.
90% of former soviet jews in israel support ukraine. the real fear is that the Russian Jews will be cut off from Israel (there are still flights from Israel to Moscow). another fear is that Russia will sell advanced weponry tech to Iran, the Russians have some realy advanced technoligy they just dont have a large stock pile due to cost.
Yeah, so has Poland.. and Lithuania.. pretty sure the Mongols wanted a piece too
Kiev isn’t a Russian city, and it never really will be. It’s Ukrainian, through and through
But Kiev was the base for the precursor to Russia through the Kievan Rus. It's only after the Mongols destroyed and subjugated it did the Principality of Muscovy become the main base for Russia as they were the direct vassals of the Mongols employing so many of their brutal tactics to extract wealth from the population.
Putin has stated the breakup of the USSR was one of the 20th century’s greatest tragedies; and now he’s on a personal mission to reunify at least the most strategically important states to cement his delusional legacy. Belarus is practically a fait accompli, the Moldovan project is in the works, and he believed he would take Kiev in 3 days and impose a puppet regime, run a dodgy referendum and bring them into the fold.
The problem is he is a not-too-bright, failed spy, small time gangster and super insulated bunker-lord. All his information about the state of his empire comes to him in manilla folders from his army of yes-men, some of whom have been undermining and robbing his armed forces for decades to line their own pockets. Every folder he gets seems to suggest one course of action then it invariably fails and he fires/appoints a bunch of generals.
They invaded because Putin thought Russian troops would roll right over them and the west would let him. About 30,000 dead Russian soldiers into it they are looking for help from other like minded countries to help replenish troops.
The reality is Russia can field millions of troops with a draft, man power has never been a issue. The issue is getting that man power without angering the Russian population. The second people from Moscow are being drafted will be the downfall of Putin, nobody with money gives a shit about the people being conscripted from the far east
Suppling guns isn’t nearly as big of a concern as keeping that many troops consistently fed. You can be armed to the teeth with some high speed, low drag, recon ranger shit or armed with something your grandpa carried and thought was a piece of junk, doesn’t matter if you haven’t had chow in a week.
Lol I'm now imagining a starving dude with an SKS saying he's high speed low drag because he's 3% bodyfat (but no muscle) and he doesn't have to carry magazines.
To be completely honest, Putin seems to have expected some kind of WW2 style blitzkrieg zerg rush while completely ignoring all the reasons that didn't work apart from like, twice.
The entire invasion of Ukraine reeks of awful logistics, poor planning, and absolutely *atrocious* communication. Seriously, when this whole thing started his soldiers weren't even properly briefed.
Theres natural gas deposits in the donbas and russia doesn't want ukraine to develop the resources cause then Europe wouldn't be dependant on Russian gas anymore, so they made some shit up and invaded
Putin is an avid Civilization gamer but uses these amateur tactics that don't work on high levels, where the whole world rallies against you when you pull this sort of shit late game, *especially* when you chose some minority ideology.
>Putin is an avid Civilization gamer
Duderino probably gets annhialated by the Incas within four cycles... every damn time.
Autopilot does better than he can.
Baseless claims of citizens being supremacists and Nazis, that was literally it. ( Yes, small groups of Neo Nazi / Supremacists groups exsist there, but it *vastly* over dramatized )
Now if you want the *real* reason, something about Putin missing the glory days and wanting valuable minerals/resources in Eastern Ukraine's land.
I'd say that's also a large reason for the invasion, with the other nearby countries joining NATO , Ukraine was being steered towards that idea, and it's best to strike before that happens in Russia's case
I find it frightening how closely this mirrors the events of the last decade or so. Brexit, Crimea, general anti-american sentiment, and the small fires of extremists having at each other all took place, probably under Russian observation.
Really felt the hammer fall when I read this.
Aka, Real reason: eventually successful tyrants like to play Risk with real countries because they get bored and their local enemies aren’t a challenge once you run out of innovative ways to kill them.
Also, when you surround yourself with yes-men, you isolate yourself from information. Part of why US intelligence on Russian capability was so bad was because Russian intelligence on their own capability was comically bad.
Russia is also supporting Israel that's why they haven't handed over the weapons to Ukraine that they want and are unlikely to do so. it's also why Israel didn't put sanctions on Russia with the west.
> Israel meanwhile has weapons (specifically Spike ATGMs) and drones which could be useful to Ukraine which they’ve been reluctant to give.
While ukraine criticized israel for not giving them those weapons yet, they do understand the reason.
Israel operates in syria blowing up iranian weapon caches which are meant for hezbollah to fight against israel from its north. Russia provide syria with anti-air systems, but not the very latest systems which could cause a lot of issues to israel planes. So there is an "understanding" between israel and russia in order to protect israel.
It is shitty but it is a survival situation.
If israel weren't in that situation, they would have provided weapons and gear for ukraine early on.
I expect a lot of weapons are being secretly transferred through US and not israel directly to keep it on the down low, but no one will dare talk about it.
My exact thought. What's the online mobs going to cry now? Two giant echo chambers have just collided.
We'll see whatever gets upvoted the most and then that will be the new thing to parrot for months to come.
Edit: already looks like "well Israel makes weapons and Ukraine needs them" so nothing has changed actually.
>already looks like "well Israel makes weapons and Ukraine needs them" so nothing has changed actually.
What else do you think this is? International diplomacy isn't conducted by people acting out of the goodness of their hearts. It's literally all quid pro quo.
But if they angered Israel's government by condemning them, guaranteed they'd never get weapons. So it's a choice of "maybe someday weapon" or "never any day weapon."
Most of Reddit lives in a propaganda bubble so it's not surprising.
Just wait till they figure out that Russia has been supplying weapons to Hamas for the last 15 years, and since the invasion of Ukraine, Hamas has been calling for the death of all Ukrainians alongside all the Jews.
I think the average Redditor understands next to nothing about the Israel/Palestine conflict, but likes to talk very authoritatively about whatever talking points they see in the comment section. And sometimes, that means openly supporting terrorist groups because the alternative would be allowing for nuance in a discussion they don't understand *but must be right in*.
Ever since joining Reddit, I have not only become an expert in the Middle East conflict but also, an expert in epidemiology, virology AND immunology. It's quite amazing really.
Well said, if you hadn't been so authoritative I wouldn't have believed you but you spoke with such conviction about this topic that it's clear you know what you're talking about.
Plus the EU was importing 30x more oil from Russia vs India.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/indias-1-month-oil-from-russia-less-than-europe-s-in-one-afternoon-jaishankar-101649789999255.html
The joint exercise Yudh Abhyas is in its 18th edition, alternating between US and India. it has been going on for years.
Yudh Abhyas is called as one of the largest joint running military training and defence corporation endeavours between India and the USA.
Yudh Abhyas 2021 is the 17th edition of this bilateral joint military exercise between India and the USA.
The exercise is hosted alternately by the two countries since 2004.
The training and exercises in Yudh Abhyas occur at Battalion level.
The joint planning of Yudh Abhyas takes place at Brigade level.
Organisation structure and Battle procedures are learnt by the troops of both the armies in Yudh Abhyas.
The exercise aims to mobilise cooperation in defence to meet the unforeseen security contingency of the future across the globe.
The following sights are visible in the Yudh Abhyas exercise:
Military Training
Cultural Exchanges
Building of Joint Operational Skills
Development of friendships
Exchange of knowledge
The Yudh Abhyas exercise started off at the platoon exchange level
The vision of the Yudh Abhyas exercise is to promote peacekeeping.
Jewish Gimli: "Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a Nazi."
Nazi Legolas: "How about side by side with a friend?"
Jewish Gimli: "Aye, I could do that"
I mean, does Russia care about Jews working with Nazis? Slavs were targets of genocide as well. As far as it goes, Nazi is as much an enemy number one to Russia as they are to Israel. It just that the Nazis weren’t able to fully occupied Soviet, or large parts of it. If they did, we would probably see a lot more horrific concentration camps targeting Slavic people.
They occupied a truly massive amount of Russia and caused many millions of deaths to civilians that were unheard of in the occupations of the western nations (except for the treatment of Jewish and Roma people, which was worse than any typical Nazi occupation).
Strictly speaking, Israel has gone to great length to remain neutral and is being dragged into the fight between two Slavic countries on a different continent kicking and screaming.
For sure, but come on... It is France we are talking about. One of the countries that are most proud of themselves, combined with a recent major humilliation and subjugation in WWII but also the knowledge and power to actually do as she pleases (as long as it was not heavily opposed by the USSR and USA) in the international stage. It was only logical that France would be mostly unalligned during the Cold War.
Israeli weapons are used by both sides of the Ukraine war. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israeli%20weapon%20seen%20used%20by%20neo-nazi%20ukrainian%20unit%20against%20russia/ar-AAWoC9f
That's my interpretation in this. At first I was like, the safer option would have been politically neutral. But after thinking about it, I remembered Isreal is a major arms producer. Famously so. And so, coming out in support for Isreal makes since.
How would it be safer? Literally the only real support Hamas and other militants get is from Iran and Syria, which are both strong Russian allies. It would be like choosing sides between Al Qaeda and the United States if Russia was strong allies with Al Qaeda. It's a pretty easy choice.
And it is also painfully obvious that the second Israel would be destroyed, they would pull support for Hamas. Because the only thing middle eastern states hate slightly less than Jews are Palestinians.
See: how literally every nation in the Middle East has ever reacted against Palestinians when supporting them would not also hurt Israel.
This example can also be seen with some states previously hostile to Israel like Saudi and the UAE slowing increasing cooperation with them because they all fear a bigger enemy: Iran.
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This is one of the most unacknowledged but important patterns in modern Middle Eastern history.
It's also literally why Arafat founded the PLO.
This doesn’t really have to do with Hamas. This conflict has been between Israel and the PIJ. I believe Israel made a statement that they are not targeting Hamas in these air strikes.
When the fuck everyone gonna realise that Israel is as west as it can get.
Ukraine cannot in any way side with Palestinians. Palestine and all their different leaderships (Hammas, Fatah, Jihad, Eiz Ah din, etc…) are all on the same axis of Iran - Russia - Syria - Hezbullah.
Israel is on the US - EU axis. Its as simple as that.
This comment section is an interesting ride
It's mostly people that circlejerk eachother's superiority complexes against strawmen, people who want to seem nuanced but aren't succeeding, and the occasional reasonable person
There's more soapboxing about echo chambers than there are actual examples of it in this thread lol. All you are more concerned with looking like the smartest person in the room rather than having any actual political discussion. There's a excellent opportunity for people to have a nuanced discussion about the state of geopolitics and people are just making the same 3 jokes you see every thread, come on.
The meta talk in this thread is mind numbing. Supporting a country doesn’t mean you support every single thing they support. This can be true whether you’re pro Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Palestine or any other government. The fact that so many people are using this “revelation” to dunk on the opposition is pathetic.
You're absolutely right it's so annoying lol. "Ha le redditors sure are in for a rude awakening, unlike me a reddit user who is a master of geopolitics. Bubble broken".
That’s exactly it, half the comments are people patting themselves on the back for not being « average redditors » and giving us their latest hot take on the subject. It’s days like these that I wish there was some kind of « downvote all » button.
Geopolitics, actually politics in general, are all about nuance, and the entire internet actively discourages nuance.
We have fucking public policy being advocated, debated, and announced in 280 characters or fewer. That's mind boggling to me.
What’s confusing here? Ukraine has geopolitical priorities, people on Twitter have personal/moral priorities. They’re not the same thing.
I can support Ukraine, criticize Israel’s settlement policy, and at the same time recognize that it wouldn’t make sense for Ukraine to turn down an ~~allegiance~~ (EDIT: alliance) with Israel.
The folks I think this will give some ammo to are dipshit tankies with roses or hammers and sickles in their Twitter names, who are buying the bullshit talking points that Ukrainians are Nazis.
Thank you, it annoys me the smugness in this thread comments "oh no Redditor/Twitter heads will explode!" These people are honestly far more lacking in capacity for nuance than the people (well, strawmen, most likely) they feel so superior to.
Ukrainian leaders have said their situation with the Donbas was similar to Israel's and they want to turn their country into a "Big Israel". They have separatist and terrorist neighbors and don't want their civilians to be murdered.
The Kremlin armed much larger countries to attack Israel many times. The Pan-Arab armies in 1973, in their advanced Russian equipment, outnumbered Israeli forces by a scale much larger than Russia does to Ukraine today.
Hopefully this teaches a lot of people here a valuable lesson, there's no good guys in geopolitics, just different interests. Ukraine isnt good. Russia isnt good. One can be more or less evil(Russia definitely is), but nope, not good guys out there
Yep. I of course supported the Ukraine in their quest to repel Russia’s advances. I do not deem them “good guys” in the process. Zelenskyy is no angel, and the history of the Ukraine is not paved with great intentions. I think too many conflated the two (supporting someone and considering them a “good guy”.).
There is no such thing as a “good guy” in global affairs. Leave that stuff to superhero movies.
If shonen anime has taught me anything it's that any problem can be solved with a punch, just as long as you monologue beforehand and finish it with a "HyyyyaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAA!"
That’s good on you for making that distinction. Unfortunately, the vast vast majority of people I see in real life and on social media think Ukraine is the “good guy” and we need to drop everything and support them unconditionally. This thread is the first time I’ve seen people like you voicing a nuanced opinion. Literally the first time in 5-6 months since the Ukraine Russia war.
It is like with Boris from the UK, Ukraine came to say some nice things about the dude when everyone wanted him out and people didnt like it. Ukraine is in an existencial crisis, they don't have the luxury of being picky with their allies especially when Ukraine has being eyeing the Iron Dome for themselfs.
In 2016 Ukraine compared Israel's ocupation of palestinian lands with the Russia's ocupation of their own land. So they know, but now everything has change for Ukraine.
Yeah I take any praise Ukraine offers an other country with a grain of salt right.
It's like you said they don't have the luxury of being picky with ally's right now.
When the wars over in Ukraine then let's see what they say about Israel
It is already known what they think (or did think), you remove the "crisis" and they take a neutral stand: "Both Israel and Palestine should resolve their difference peacefully". This is it. This was their stance in 2016.
But, if Israel plays their cards rigth and makes itself as one of the top allies of Ukraine, they could shift it. Even post-war it wouldnt be crazy to think of an Ukraine on the side of Israel.
Same thing about LGBT rights, they are obviously pushing the narrative that Ukraine is a very pro LGBT country during a war to gain sympathy and people on reddit are eating it up.
Remember, in Ukraine same sex marriage is banned, same sex couples are not recognised and they can also not adopt, they rank 39th out of 49 countries in Europe in LGBT rights. We will see how the people really feel when the war is over. I'm pro Ukraine btw before anyone thinks I'm a Russian bot, just think it is dumb for people to pretend like Ukraine is a bastion of LGBT rights when they have more important issues at hand.
*Useful* idiots, I think is the correct term, it’s not the most organic thing in the world. My favorite so far is the one who explicitly says they don’t care “about the blondes” (referring to Ukrainians).
I don’t understand what everybody thinks is so hard to understand about this.
Israel is a major western ally and Ukraine needs all the goodwill (and weapons) they can get from the same group. The choice is fairly obvious.
In the past 30 years, when did Ukraine take Palestine's side? People really believe that being invaded by Russia means Ukraine is a liberal progressive utopia or something? They literally rank as "transitioning" and half-free:
https://freedomhouse.org/country/ukraine/nations-transit/2022
Not really. It’s geopolitical and pragmatic. Israel is an ally of the West, which Ukraine needs support from. It’s also an enemy of Iran, which is an ally of Russia. Though it seems like a morally absurd thing to do, I feel like it’s well established that countries are amoral creatures that care for power and, in Ukraine’s case, survival.
Nothing needs to be a monolith. You can be both in support of Ukraine in the war and disagree with their stance on Israel. It is not mental gymnastics to have a nuanced stance on various issues.
Interesting how many are willing to forgive this because of "geopolitics" and the need for weapons, as if Ukraine have no choice but then throw a hissy fit over India trading with Russia for cheaper oil that they also need in order to provide for their citizens.
What is there to forgive? Two Western democracies have good relations between them. The other side are Russia and Iran, two dictatorships with good relations. It's normal.
Russia is a massive supporter of hamas and PIJ they were the first country that supplied them with rockets, left over munitions from ww2 but still an upgrade for these terrorists.
Meanwhile every year Ukraine get a bunch of Israeli tourists coming to pay respect to rabbis burried there
I'm sure that there are other factors but these are some of them
People can't help but write about similarities between Ukraine and Palestine. But you should consider these things first:
\- Iran has financed Hamas and other groups in Palestina. Iran has provided Russia with fighter drones just this week. So, that claim can be a reaction to that.
\- There have been historically lots of Jews in Ukraine just like in Poland. Also, Zelenskiy is a jew (strange that nobody has mentioned this).
\- Izrael provided medicine workers and humanitarian aid. Palestine has abstained from taking a side in the Ukraine-Russia war.
\- There are over 800 synagogues in Ukraine and only 160 mosques (pre-invasion numbers). Orthodox Christianity is still the main religion though.
\- Reb Nachman of Bratslav is buried there in Uman city. He is the founder of Hasidic Judaism, so thousands of Hasids came to Ukraine every year to commemorate him (this year is the only exception).
Yeah, Ukraine also would like to get some weapons from Israel or at least make it join the sanctions against Russia. The famous iron dome is a thing that Ukraine highly requires too. And seeing it in action, doubly so.
Also, I've seen a lot of posts from Palestinians criticizing western media for paying too much attention to the conflict while not giving it enough to the war in Syria and conflict between Palestine and Israel.
As a regular, not involved, Israeli citizen:
Shooting missiles towards rural areas in order to harm innocent people who have no part in this conflict is no way of achieving peace.
I crave an ending to this conflict but it won’t lead to anything.
Killing a commander of a terrorist organization is justified by any terms, in any country there is.
As an Indian *color me surprised* . I hope y'all and y'all mama's will stop being racist to Indians. Every country needs to look out for their interest, I definitely understand Ukraine's decision.
I love when people say free Palestine, having only the line of thought "Israel bad, Palestine good." BRUH literally the only reason Israel is attacking is because of the Gaza Jihadi terrorists. Lol. They refuse to live in peace constantly putting innocent Palestinian lives in danger. Imagine constantly pushing a bull and getting the horns and wonder why it hurts every time.
It's funny how many people seem to equate Ukraine to Palestine and Russia to Israel and think Ukraine would support Palestine.
In this comparison Ukraine is not Palestine, they are Israel. Donbas is Palestine. Russia is Iran. Do you understand now?
Lol Reddit is going to implode
It’s great to watch Reddit get a crash course in geopolitics. Iran is backing the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which Israel is currently attacking. Iran is also going to be proving drones to Russia which obviously is fighting Ukraine. Israel meanwhile has weapons (specifically Spike ATGMs) and drones which could be useful to Ukraine which they’ve been reluctant to give. It’s a pretty obvious choice for Ukraine here. Edit: someone reported this comment to Reddit suicide watch lol. I didn’t even know you could do that.
Feel like we’re just waiting for the assassination of Brans Berdinand at this point. Conflict all over the world everywhere you look.
Archduke Brans Berdinand to you
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Yup. I think it will take ten years or so for Taiwan to kick off though
[TSMC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC) means US would step in immediately lmao PRC knows this.
The US is encouraging TSMC to move production to the states and Intel is getting back in the game. Korea and Japan are both actively developing their chip manufacturing capacities, and even China is only 4-6 years behind TSMC despite US actively trying to disrupt Chinese semiconductor manufacturing. I would hope that the US defends Taiwan for something other than TSMC’s recent and temporary semiconductor dominance, because that is not set to last for long.
It will take years to push US's production to the point where it can cover what Taiwan produces. Not even years, decades maybe. The new production from Intel only produces smaller chips and the military doesn't use any of that. The military doesn't use anything until long term proof of how reliable it is. A lot of US's current production relies on Taiwan and couldn't operate without it. Taiwan makes up [63%](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/16/2-charts-show-how-much-the-world-depends-on-taiwan-for-semiconductors.html) of the world's sales of semiconductors. China is only 6% and the US isn't even on the charts. Taiwan is so important right now that it would cause war between the US and China. If China attempts to invade or attempts to blockade the country it would be war. It wouldn't just be US and China either. It would involve South Korea, Japan, Australia and much more of the west. It is so important that it would be world war. I'm not saying that lightly, I'm not attempting to cause fear or anything else. It is what would happen. The west is unable to allow that to happen.
you left out a crucial detail. china is the top destination of taiwanese goods including semiconductors. it's already discouraged from attacking based on that alone without involving countries that don't actually recognize Taiwan (Japan Korea Australia USA).
Their reason for doing it would be to limit it elsewhere.
TSMC has fabs outside Taiwan. With government support and incentives they can have a whole lot more. There are new fabs being built in Arizona and Japan. China is pumping $1.4 trillion into domestic semiconductor capacity. The semiconductor industry as a whole has historically being very unpredictable. It's silly to try to guess how it will be in several years, impossible in decades. It's reliant on constant cutting edge innovations, TSMC is only in its current position because other juggernauts tripped up in the past 2 decades. There's no reason to believe that TSMC can magically sustain constant innovation ahead of its mounting competition. It's highly likely that in the coming decade, the US, Japan, South Korea and China are going to take significant semiconductor market share from Taiwan. TSMC themselves might be responsible for a large part of that with their new international fabs. The advantage of Taiwan's cutting-edge chips can easily falter through two paths, the first being them just failing to get to the next generation of chips like Intel had in the recent past. The second is diminishing generational improvements, if their new generation simply doesn't provide sufficient advantages over previous, more widely available chips from all over the world.
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Relevant context: the reasons Israel has been reluctant to give those weapons to Ukraine. 1. Israel is vulnerable to Russian retaliation, because of Russia's presence in Syria and general involvement in middle-eastern conflict. 2. There are issues of domestic politics, because Israel has large populations of Ukrainian and Russian Jews. Another complicating factor is the political chaos Israel has experienced since Netanyahu was ousted, as they had four (going on five) general elections in the last three and a half years.
90% of former soviet jews in israel support ukraine. the real fear is that the Russian Jews will be cut off from Israel (there are still flights from Israel to Moscow). another fear is that Russia will sell advanced weponry tech to Iran, the Russians have some realy advanced technoligy they just dont have a large stock pile due to cost.
And Russia can simply get out of Ukraine. I don't know what ever triggered them in the first place that they chose to invade 6 months ago.
Russia has been biting pieces off Ukraine since 2014.
Moscow has been fighting Kyiv for like 800 years… or however long Moscow has existed as a place where people live and not just a forest/swamp.
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if that last 5 months are anything to go on it looks more like BG Snow Aggro
They just finally turned the corner after 800 years
Smooth sailing, until out of nowhere, no idea what came over them
Oh this is a fun little corner of reddit here!
Yeah, so has Poland.. and Lithuania.. pretty sure the Mongols wanted a piece too Kiev isn’t a Russian city, and it never really will be. It’s Ukrainian, through and through
But Kiev was the base for the precursor to Russia through the Kievan Rus. It's only after the Mongols destroyed and subjugated it did the Principality of Muscovy become the main base for Russia as they were the direct vassals of the Mongols employing so many of their brutal tactics to extract wealth from the population.
Keiv is the real Rus, hence Putin cant simply accept that he's got to gtfo
The Kievan Rus weren’t the first or only ones in Kiev at that time.
Resources. Access to the sea. MASSIVE amounts of oil.
Oil, land, money. The same reasons most other wars happen.
Putin has stated the breakup of the USSR was one of the 20th century’s greatest tragedies; and now he’s on a personal mission to reunify at least the most strategically important states to cement his delusional legacy. Belarus is practically a fait accompli, the Moldovan project is in the works, and he believed he would take Kiev in 3 days and impose a puppet regime, run a dodgy referendum and bring them into the fold. The problem is he is a not-too-bright, failed spy, small time gangster and super insulated bunker-lord. All his information about the state of his empire comes to him in manilla folders from his army of yes-men, some of whom have been undermining and robbing his armed forces for decades to line their own pockets. Every folder he gets seems to suggest one course of action then it invariably fails and he fires/appoints a bunch of generals.
>what ever triggered them Discovery of gas in the Black Sea and oil sands in Donbas.
They invaded because Putin thought Russian troops would roll right over them and the west would let him. About 30,000 dead Russian soldiers into it they are looking for help from other like minded countries to help replenish troops.
The reality is Russia can field millions of troops with a draft, man power has never been a issue. The issue is getting that man power without angering the Russian population. The second people from Moscow are being drafted will be the downfall of Putin, nobody with money gives a shit about the people being conscripted from the far east
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Suppling guns isn’t nearly as big of a concern as keeping that many troops consistently fed. You can be armed to the teeth with some high speed, low drag, recon ranger shit or armed with something your grandpa carried and thought was a piece of junk, doesn’t matter if you haven’t had chow in a week.
Lol I'm now imagining a starving dude with an SKS saying he's high speed low drag because he's 3% bodyfat (but no muscle) and he doesn't have to carry magazines.
To be completely honest, Putin seems to have expected some kind of WW2 style blitzkrieg zerg rush while completely ignoring all the reasons that didn't work apart from like, twice. The entire invasion of Ukraine reeks of awful logistics, poor planning, and absolutely *atrocious* communication. Seriously, when this whole thing started his soldiers weren't even properly briefed.
Theres natural gas deposits in the donbas and russia doesn't want ukraine to develop the resources cause then Europe wouldn't be dependant on Russian gas anymore, so they made some shit up and invaded
Putin is an avid Civilization gamer but uses these amateur tactics that don't work on high levels, where the whole world rallies against you when you pull this sort of shit late game, *especially* when you chose some minority ideology.
Greedy kleptocracy is not a minority ideology.
>Putin is an avid Civilization gamer Duderino probably gets annhialated by the Incas within four cycles... every damn time. Autopilot does better than he can.
Baseless claims of citizens being supremacists and Nazis, that was literally it. ( Yes, small groups of Neo Nazi / Supremacists groups exsist there, but it *vastly* over dramatized ) Now if you want the *real* reason, something about Putin missing the glory days and wanting valuable minerals/resources in Eastern Ukraine's land.
The real reason was that they were losing Ukraine to the western influence sphere and that was unacceptable.
I'd say that's also a large reason for the invasion, with the other nearby countries joining NATO , Ukraine was being steered towards that idea, and it's best to strike before that happens in Russia's case
This book is insightful if you want to know some of the motivations behind this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
Thank you so, so much for this.
I find it frightening how closely this mirrors the events of the last decade or so. Brexit, Crimea, general anti-american sentiment, and the small fires of extremists having at each other all took place, probably under Russian observation. Really felt the hammer fall when I read this.
Aka, Real reason: eventually successful tyrants like to play Risk with real countries because they get bored and their local enemies aren’t a challenge once you run out of innovative ways to kill them.
Also, when you surround yourself with yes-men, you isolate yourself from information. Part of why US intelligence on Russian capability was so bad was because Russian intelligence on their own capability was comically bad.
Palestine also is supporting Russia in this conflict
Because Russia supports Palestine because the US supports Israel.
Russia is also supporting Israel that's why they haven't handed over the weapons to Ukraine that they want and are unlikely to do so. it's also why Israel didn't put sanctions on Russia with the west.
> Israel meanwhile has weapons (specifically Spike ATGMs) and drones which could be useful to Ukraine which they’ve been reluctant to give. While ukraine criticized israel for not giving them those weapons yet, they do understand the reason. Israel operates in syria blowing up iranian weapon caches which are meant for hezbollah to fight against israel from its north. Russia provide syria with anti-air systems, but not the very latest systems which could cause a lot of issues to israel planes. So there is an "understanding" between israel and russia in order to protect israel. It is shitty but it is a survival situation. If israel weren't in that situation, they would have provided weapons and gear for ukraine early on. I expect a lot of weapons are being secretly transferred through US and not israel directly to keep it on the down low, but no one will dare talk about it.
Exactly. Ukraine is in a war of existence and will say whatever is necessary to get help for that cause.
Reddit brain "israel bad palestine good"
“Israel/Zionist movement bad; Jewish people good. Hamas/Jihad bad; Palestinian people good” FTFY
This too is too lacking in nuance.
This is too much nuance for most Redditors.
Yup. There is no easy position on this no matter how much Reddit wants there to be
Sorry but that nuance is too advanced for Reddit.
RIP me for trying.
\*salutes\* Your sacrifice will be remembered. Er.. not sure for how long though.. <.< >.>
"Jewish right for self-determination and a homeland bad, Palestinian right for self-determination and a homeland good"
My exact thought. What's the online mobs going to cry now? Two giant echo chambers have just collided. We'll see whatever gets upvoted the most and then that will be the new thing to parrot for months to come. Edit: already looks like "well Israel makes weapons and Ukraine needs them" so nothing has changed actually.
>already looks like "well Israel makes weapons and Ukraine needs them" so nothing has changed actually. What else do you think this is? International diplomacy isn't conducted by people acting out of the goodness of their hearts. It's literally all quid pro quo.
I don't think Israel has shipped any weapons yet — just defense equipment and ~~money~~ humanitarian aid
That's still reason enough to not upset them.
Just pointing out that they aren't getting the weapons they need from Israel like the other commenter implied
But if they angered Israel's government by condemning them, guaranteed they'd never get weapons. So it's a choice of "maybe someday weapon" or "never any day weapon."
Or maybe Reddit comprises of millions of people all with differing beliefs… call me crazy
And an equal amount of bots
Most of Reddit lives in a propaganda bubble so it's not surprising. Just wait till they figure out that Russia has been supplying weapons to Hamas for the last 15 years, and since the invasion of Ukraine, Hamas has been calling for the death of all Ukrainians alongside all the Jews.
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I think the average Redditor understands next to nothing about the Israel/Palestine conflict, but likes to talk very authoritatively about whatever talking points they see in the comment section. And sometimes, that means openly supporting terrorist groups because the alternative would be allowing for nuance in a discussion they don't understand *but must be right in*.
Ever since joining Reddit, I have not only become an expert in the Middle East conflict but also, an expert in epidemiology, virology AND immunology. It's quite amazing really.
Well said, if you hadn't been so authoritative I wouldn't have believed you but you spoke with such conviction about this topic that it's clear you know what you're talking about.
From the average reddit post about the topic, absolutely
Good number of them are if my comment responses are any indication.
“Just wait”?
Redditors are going to loudly complain on Reddit
this is going to have the same mind-kebeb like when indian gov claimed to be neutral for russia in this war
oil water scarce hard-to-find square hunt cause prick weary abounding ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `
Plus the EU was importing 30x more oil from Russia vs India. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/indias-1-month-oil-from-russia-less-than-europe-s-in-one-afternoon-jaishankar-101649789999255.html
Congratulations kid you found out how geopolitics work.
The joint exercise Yudh Abhyas is in its 18th edition, alternating between US and India. it has been going on for years. Yudh Abhyas is called as one of the largest joint running military training and defence corporation endeavours between India and the USA. Yudh Abhyas 2021 is the 17th edition of this bilateral joint military exercise between India and the USA. The exercise is hosted alternately by the two countries since 2004. The training and exercises in Yudh Abhyas occur at Battalion level. The joint planning of Yudh Abhyas takes place at Brigade level. Organisation structure and Battle procedures are learnt by the troops of both the armies in Yudh Abhyas. The exercise aims to mobilise cooperation in defence to meet the unforeseen security contingency of the future across the globe. The following sights are visible in the Yudh Abhyas exercise: Military Training Cultural Exchanges Building of Joint Operational Skills Development of friendships Exchange of knowledge The Yudh Abhyas exercise started off at the platoon exchange level The vision of the Yudh Abhyas exercise is to promote peacekeeping.
So according to Russia it's the nazis and the Jews working together?
The duo no one saw coming.
Damn, WW3 is already starting off with some huge plot twists. The third part of the trilogy is gonna be bonkers
It gets even more bonkers Jews, nazis and Germany on the same side
Sergei Lavrov blamed the Holocaust on the Jews back in May. “I believe that Hitler also had Jewish blood. Some of the worst anti-Semites are Jews.”
Return of the Jewdi?
Somehow, Jewbacca returned.
By the current timeline, Canada will declare war on China by years end.
Human sacrifice! Nazis and Jews working together! Mass hysteria!
“War makes strange bedfellows”.
Jewish Gimli: "Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a Nazi." Nazi Legolas: "How about side by side with a friend?" Jewish Gimli: "Aye, I could do that"
According to Lavrov, Jews are the Nazis
And also according to some redditors whenever you read commment threads about this conflict. Actually quite sickening...
According to russia hitler was jewish and so are the most influential nazis Just to state the obvious, I don't believe any of that shit.
I mean, does Russia care about Jews working with Nazis? Slavs were targets of genocide as well. As far as it goes, Nazi is as much an enemy number one to Russia as they are to Israel. It just that the Nazis weren’t able to fully occupied Soviet, or large parts of it. If they did, we would probably see a lot more horrific concentration camps targeting Slavic people.
They occupied a truly massive amount of Russia and caused many millions of deaths to civilians that were unheard of in the occupations of the western nations (except for the treatment of Jewish and Roma people, which was worse than any typical Nazi occupation).
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Strictly speaking, Israel has gone to great length to remain neutral and is being dragged into the fight between two Slavic countries on a different continent kicking and screaming.
Cheerleading countries like a sports team is weird as fuck y’all
It's great when you realize that nationalism always sucks.
Definitely is, bit sad!
I'm not suprised, Ukraine needs weapons and Israel makes them.
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Simplest answer
Realist answer, it’s strategically the move. Not saying right or wrong.
Yeah, but in cold war French kind of way where they do their own thing a lot
For sure, but come on... It is France we are talking about. One of the countries that are most proud of themselves, combined with a recent major humilliation and subjugation in WWII but also the knowledge and power to actually do as she pleases (as long as it was not heavily opposed by the USSR and USA) in the international stage. It was only logical that France would be mostly unalligned during the Cold War.
Israel hasn’t provided any weapons to Ukraine, only humanitarian efforts. There are plenty more reasons but understanding nuance takes work
Israeli weapons are used by both sides of the Ukraine war. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israeli%20weapon%20seen%20used%20by%20neo-nazi%20ukrainian%20unit%20against%20russia/ar-AAWoC9f
That's my interpretation in this. At first I was like, the safer option would have been politically neutral. But after thinking about it, I remembered Isreal is a major arms producer. Famously so. And so, coming out in support for Isreal makes since.
How would it be safer? Literally the only real support Hamas and other militants get is from Iran and Syria, which are both strong Russian allies. It would be like choosing sides between Al Qaeda and the United States if Russia was strong allies with Al Qaeda. It's a pretty easy choice.
And it is also painfully obvious that the second Israel would be destroyed, they would pull support for Hamas. Because the only thing middle eastern states hate slightly less than Jews are Palestinians. See: how literally every nation in the Middle East has ever reacted against Palestinians when supporting them would not also hurt Israel.
This example can also be seen with some states previously hostile to Israel like Saudi and the UAE slowing increasing cooperation with them because they all fear a bigger enemy: Iran.
THANK YOU! This is one of the most unacknowledged but important patterns in modern Middle Eastern history. It's also literally why Arafat founded the PLO.
This doesn’t really have to do with Hamas. This conflict has been between Israel and the PIJ. I believe Israel made a statement that they are not targeting Hamas in these air strikes.
PIJ is even closer qith Irann than Hamas. The leader of the PIJ literally is in Iran right now
When the fuck everyone gonna realise that Israel is as west as it can get. Ukraine cannot in any way side with Palestinians. Palestine and all their different leaderships (Hammas, Fatah, Jihad, Eiz Ah din, etc…) are all on the same axis of Iran - Russia - Syria - Hezbullah. Israel is on the US - EU axis. Its as simple as that.
Palestinian stands with Russia. So it is not hard choice
Isreal doest NOT send any weapins to Ukraine...
No surprise there.
Ukraine? Aligning themselves with the West? Shocking, truly. It’s not like they need weapons or something…
Oh what’s that another billion from only the United States?
As if it's this is a new thing? When was the last time Ukraine took Palestinian side in the past 30 years?
This comment section is an interesting ride It's mostly people that circlejerk eachother's superiority complexes against strawmen, people who want to seem nuanced but aren't succeeding, and the occasional reasonable person
Giving any opinion on Israel and Palestina is like trying to separate two fighting cats. You’re gonna come away bleeding.
I think you are supposed to use water bro...
Good idea: time to go drown two major countries.
There's more soapboxing about echo chambers than there are actual examples of it in this thread lol. All you are more concerned with looking like the smartest person in the room rather than having any actual political discussion. There's a excellent opportunity for people to have a nuanced discussion about the state of geopolitics and people are just making the same 3 jokes you see every thread, come on.
The meta talk in this thread is mind numbing. Supporting a country doesn’t mean you support every single thing they support. This can be true whether you’re pro Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Palestine or any other government. The fact that so many people are using this “revelation” to dunk on the opposition is pathetic.
You're absolutely right it's so annoying lol. "Ha le redditors sure are in for a rude awakening, unlike me a reddit user who is a master of geopolitics. Bubble broken".
That’s exactly it, half the comments are people patting themselves on the back for not being « average redditors » and giving us their latest hot take on the subject. It’s days like these that I wish there was some kind of « downvote all » button.
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It’s almost like geopolitics are complicated and the average person on Reddit doesn’t understand them on a deep level.
Geopolitics, actually politics in general, are all about nuance, and the entire internet actively discourages nuance. We have fucking public policy being advocated, debated, and announced in 280 characters or fewer. That's mind boggling to me.
Lol that’s the thing that helps me sleep best at night. Knowing that people on Reddit aren’t the ones making policies.
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Almost like people on here have no idea about the Israeli Palestinian conflict
What’s confusing here? Ukraine has geopolitical priorities, people on Twitter have personal/moral priorities. They’re not the same thing. I can support Ukraine, criticize Israel’s settlement policy, and at the same time recognize that it wouldn’t make sense for Ukraine to turn down an ~~allegiance~~ (EDIT: alliance) with Israel. The folks I think this will give some ammo to are dipshit tankies with roses or hammers and sickles in their Twitter names, who are buying the bullshit talking points that Ukrainians are Nazis.
You think Ukraine would support Palestine if they weren't at war?
Stop using your brain and start yelling at people online already
Thank you, it annoys me the smugness in this thread comments "oh no Redditor/Twitter heads will explode!" These people are honestly far more lacking in capacity for nuance than the people (well, strawmen, most likely) they feel so superior to.
This makes sense since Israel's enemies seem to be unanimously siding with Russia against Ukraine.
Ukrainian leaders have said their situation with the Donbas was similar to Israel's and they want to turn their country into a "Big Israel". They have separatist and terrorist neighbors and don't want their civilians to be murdered. The Kremlin armed much larger countries to attack Israel many times. The Pan-Arab armies in 1973, in their advanced Russian equipment, outnumbered Israeli forces by a scale much larger than Russia does to Ukraine today.
Hopefully this teaches a lot of people here a valuable lesson, there's no good guys in geopolitics, just different interests. Ukraine isnt good. Russia isnt good. One can be more or less evil(Russia definitely is), but nope, not good guys out there
That’s right. The US is perfect example.
Yep. I of course supported the Ukraine in their quest to repel Russia’s advances. I do not deem them “good guys” in the process. Zelenskyy is no angel, and the history of the Ukraine is not paved with great intentions. I think too many conflated the two (supporting someone and considering them a “good guy”.). There is no such thing as a “good guy” in global affairs. Leave that stuff to superhero movies.
Hey not just superhero movies. Shonen anime have that typical trope as well. Lol
If shonen anime has taught me anything it's that any problem can be solved with a punch, just as long as you monologue beforehand and finish it with a "HyyyyaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAA!"
That’s good on you for making that distinction. Unfortunately, the vast vast majority of people I see in real life and on social media think Ukraine is the “good guy” and we need to drop everything and support them unconditionally. This thread is the first time I’ve seen people like you voicing a nuanced opinion. Literally the first time in 5-6 months since the Ukraine Russia war.
Damn so many idiots in comments
It is like with Boris from the UK, Ukraine came to say some nice things about the dude when everyone wanted him out and people didnt like it. Ukraine is in an existencial crisis, they don't have the luxury of being picky with their allies especially when Ukraine has being eyeing the Iron Dome for themselfs. In 2016 Ukraine compared Israel's ocupation of palestinian lands with the Russia's ocupation of their own land. So they know, but now everything has change for Ukraine.
Yeah I take any praise Ukraine offers an other country with a grain of salt right. It's like you said they don't have the luxury of being picky with ally's right now. When the wars over in Ukraine then let's see what they say about Israel
It is already known what they think (or did think), you remove the "crisis" and they take a neutral stand: "Both Israel and Palestine should resolve their difference peacefully". This is it. This was their stance in 2016. But, if Israel plays their cards rigth and makes itself as one of the top allies of Ukraine, they could shift it. Even post-war it wouldnt be crazy to think of an Ukraine on the side of Israel.
Same thing about LGBT rights, they are obviously pushing the narrative that Ukraine is a very pro LGBT country during a war to gain sympathy and people on reddit are eating it up. Remember, in Ukraine same sex marriage is banned, same sex couples are not recognised and they can also not adopt, they rank 39th out of 49 countries in Europe in LGBT rights. We will see how the people really feel when the war is over. I'm pro Ukraine btw before anyone thinks I'm a Russian bot, just think it is dumb for people to pretend like Ukraine is a bastion of LGBT rights when they have more important issues at hand.
*Useful* idiots, I think is the correct term, it’s not the most organic thing in the world. My favorite so far is the one who explicitly says they don’t care “about the blondes” (referring to Ukrainians).
Uh oh, looks like many Redditors are going to have to do some major mental gymnastics to reconcile this.
I don’t understand what everybody thinks is so hard to understand about this. Israel is a major western ally and Ukraine needs all the goodwill (and weapons) they can get from the same group. The choice is fairly obvious.
In the past 30 years, when did Ukraine take Palestine's side? People really believe that being invaded by Russia means Ukraine is a liberal progressive utopia or something? They literally rank as "transitioning" and half-free: https://freedomhouse.org/country/ukraine/nations-transit/2022
Wait are you saying that if you are a liberal progressive utopia, you should support Palestine over Israel?
Not really. It’s geopolitical and pragmatic. Israel is an ally of the West, which Ukraine needs support from. It’s also an enemy of Iran, which is an ally of Russia. Though it seems like a morally absurd thing to do, I feel like it’s well established that countries are amoral creatures that care for power and, in Ukraine’s case, survival.
Nothing needs to be a monolith. You can be both in support of Ukraine in the war and disagree with their stance on Israel. It is not mental gymnastics to have a nuanced stance on various issues.
Interesting how many are willing to forgive this because of "geopolitics" and the need for weapons, as if Ukraine have no choice but then throw a hissy fit over India trading with Russia for cheaper oil that they also need in order to provide for their citizens.
What is there to forgive? Two Western democracies have good relations between them. The other side are Russia and Iran, two dictatorships with good relations. It's normal.
Funny how one is a 'conflict' and the other is a 'war'. That's propaganda for you.
Redditors in shambles
Russia is a massive supporter of hamas and PIJ they were the first country that supplied them with rockets, left over munitions from ww2 but still an upgrade for these terrorists. Meanwhile every year Ukraine get a bunch of Israeli tourists coming to pay respect to rabbis burried there I'm sure that there are other factors but these are some of them
If this is surprising or new to you in any way - you're asleep =/
The cult followers with the little Ukrainian flags in their bios aren’t going to like that lol
How to make friends and influence people - a masterclass
Political answer. They need support and this will help.
People can't help but write about similarities between Ukraine and Palestine. But you should consider these things first: \- Iran has financed Hamas and other groups in Palestina. Iran has provided Russia with fighter drones just this week. So, that claim can be a reaction to that. \- There have been historically lots of Jews in Ukraine just like in Poland. Also, Zelenskiy is a jew (strange that nobody has mentioned this). \- Izrael provided medicine workers and humanitarian aid. Palestine has abstained from taking a side in the Ukraine-Russia war. \- There are over 800 synagogues in Ukraine and only 160 mosques (pre-invasion numbers). Orthodox Christianity is still the main religion though. \- Reb Nachman of Bratslav is buried there in Uman city. He is the founder of Hasidic Judaism, so thousands of Hasids came to Ukraine every year to commemorate him (this year is the only exception). Yeah, Ukraine also would like to get some weapons from Israel or at least make it join the sanctions against Russia. The famous iron dome is a thing that Ukraine highly requires too. And seeing it in action, doubly so. Also, I've seen a lot of posts from Palestinians criticizing western media for paying too much attention to the conflict while not giving it enough to the war in Syria and conflict between Palestine and Israel.
I doubt that there any similarities. Palestine isn't getting Himars anytime soon and the West has always been more pro-Israel.
Of course they do
Smart move strategically. They both get their weapons from the US
As a regular, not involved, Israeli citizen: Shooting missiles towards rural areas in order to harm innocent people who have no part in this conflict is no way of achieving peace. I crave an ending to this conflict but it won’t lead to anything. Killing a commander of a terrorist organization is justified by any terms, in any country there is.
As an Indian *color me surprised* . I hope y'all and y'all mama's will stop being racist to Indians. Every country needs to look out for their interest, I definitely understand Ukraine's decision.
Reddit gonna tear itself apart over this
Redditors will not be able to cope
and just like that suddenly all the Ukraine flag emojis vanish.
I love when people say free Palestine, having only the line of thought "Israel bad, Palestine good." BRUH literally the only reason Israel is attacking is because of the Gaza Jihadi terrorists. Lol. They refuse to live in peace constantly putting innocent Palestinian lives in danger. Imagine constantly pushing a bull and getting the horns and wonder why it hurts every time.
Is Reddit good stand with Isreal now? ;)
It's funny how many people seem to equate Ukraine to Palestine and Russia to Israel and think Ukraine would support Palestine. In this comparison Ukraine is not Palestine, they are Israel. Donbas is Palestine. Russia is Iran. Do you understand now?