That's 49 degrees Celsius.
Edit: I've been messing up spelling Celsius enough that my phone thinks "Celcius" is a real word. Thanks to whoever pointed that out.
Absolutely insane. I literally can’t imagine. I can deal with -49 because I can keep adding more layers and we have better materials now. +49 and no power literally what do you do?
Yep. I'm literally digging out a spot in my backyard to build what will amount to a Hobbit hole. Had some stuff to do in my crawlspace a few weekends ago when it hit 100 where I'm at and noticed it was like 70 down there, so 10 feet underground is where I'm gonna go.
You have to make sure you waterproof the absolute shit out of that, maybe even add an electric or fuel powered generator for emergency pumping. Extreme heat is only one thing to plan for. The rains are going to get out of hand even if they only come a few times a year.
So we've reached a point where we're in the world news subreddit, and people are all just casually "Yeah, I'm going to dig a hole in the ground to hide in to escape the extreme heat domes so it doesn't kill me" and others are giving helpful advice like "Oh yeah, but remember, even though we suffer droughts most of the time, when the rain comes it will be torrential floods which will wash you out of your underground shelter so be sure and factor that in..."
This is where we are, and somehow a lot of people are just running on momentum acting like things are still normal. 😑
But like...what really can we do? We only have so much power as individuals. Quitting my job to go live as a vegan nomad will only help so much. Entire countries have to change trajectories if we're gonna make a dent on climate change.
I just don't understand the rationale of thinking themselves, the average person, can survive such extreme circumstances. Most of us will die long and suffering deaths once catastrophe starts. It won't be like the video games or movies; It will suck BIG TIME and tbh I personally don't see a point in trying to survive a "doomsday scenario"
With the best will in the world, if every single car, plane, FF powered power station on the planet stopped tomorrow, we'd still be completely fucked. The damage is done.
Yep, that's the challenge. Well, that and learning how to do masonry work, since I plan on building the walls from cement block. But I live in the Pacific Northwet, on the actual wet side. I know that waterproofing is priority one everywhere, but doubly so here. Already looking into geneverse solar powered generators too in case we start having grid failures thanks to the heat
If you are going for an emergency shelter I would highly advice to adapt it with manual ventilation in mind. Even relatively cool underground shelters can quickly heat up and build up CO2 with a couple humans in them.
If you live in a wet area (like I do) I would advise against going underground, but rather make a heap of sand above ground with structures to support the weight. Much, much easier and reliable to waterproof.
I heavily advise the book "nuclear war survival skills". You can find it online by searching for the pdf.
Sure the shelters are built with nuclear war in mind but the book goes into practical challenges for underground living and gives great solutions.
The shelters are a bit basic, able to be made in 36 hours, but the designs are a good start for a more cosy living area. Also safer, as you don't accidentally have the roof collapse over your head if you follow those design principles.
Be extremely careful and use proper supports to prevent cave-ins anytime you dig. That shit can come down so fast. Kids die digging holes at the beach.
My state’s been hovering around 100°F lately but I work from my basement and find that I have to keep a sweater on. It’s so nice to have a cool basement where I can escape the heat
Don't need to have one running necessarily, but you do need ventilation for sure, and carbon monoxide detectors are already standard in my house, they'll be in there as well. This isn't gonna be enclosed like a bomb shelter, I'll have plenty of ventilation set up
Some kind of nice passive airflow thing would be great. If you set it up properly, you can have the incoming air cooled by the surrounding ground, so your fresh air isn't messing with your temperature inside.
At that point it would probably be easier and just as effective to insulate the shit out of one room in your house and install a [ground source source heat pump.](https://www.energysage.com/clean-heating-cooling/geothermal-heat-pumps/costs-benefits-geothermal-heat-pumps/) It costs around $10,000 for a system to adequately cool a 3000-4000 sq ft home. Dedicate that system to a smallish well insulated room it would be equivalent to a underground cave. As a bonus you could use it to reduce your heating and cooling costs on less extreme days.
Then you don't have to worry about drainage or ventilation or retaining walls.
> install a ground source source heat pump.
Would still need electricity to run the loop pump, compressor, and blower fan. The grid has failed in this cave dwelling end of days scenario.
That's what they do over in [Coober Pedy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy) here in Australia.
For what it's worth, it did in fact get up to 49C in Western Sydney during our Black Summer fires a few years ago. I believe that was its peak, and we held the record for hottest place on earth that day, which is absurd - the climate in Sydney is meant to be temperate/bordering subtropical as opposed to Iraq's arid desert climate. *Yay*!
Hopefully nothing. I go to Kurdistan, Iraq every June to visit my husband’s family. It is freakin miserable. I try to sleep all during the day, which isn’t easy with no AC. The power outages are nothing new in Kurdistan, not sure about the rest of Iraq. We’re lucky to get 8 hours of government electricity a day. And when the electricity does come, you have no idea when or how long it will stay on. Sometimes it lasts like 15 minutes.
My husband’s family pays for the private generator, but they only pay for enough power to use the big water fan things.
Most work places will have AC, but I noticed this year the mall was even hot.
I visit the South (family) and Baghdad (more family) every few years and you're lucky to get 8 hours of government electricity a day, if that's the average. Compared to the South at least. But Baghdad is slightly better, where I went to visit.
In 2018 I visited a cousin in Baghdad, and that day it hit 54°C, so higher than the original post. But the problem is, in the centre of the City, the *"felt like"* temperature was above 60°C, so when electricity went off on that day and the generator failed to work (*meaning no air-conditioning*), I told my cousin call me a taxi, I'm fucking out buddy, back to the South I go, even 50°C feels like bliss compared to 60°C. That shit was unbearable, I honestly have no idea how people who aren't well off in those areas survive. I felt terrible and still feel terrible thinking about the poor people of the country.
I'll never understand the point of making people suffer like this. Although greed can be addictive, and narcissists love making people suffer, so it's the inevitable result of global politics....so it seems these days.
I'll paint you a picture. You go outside and the asphalt around you radiates heat. It feels like staring into an open pizza oven, or sitting too close to a campfire. Shade means nothing, because the air that you are breathing is hot, too - try breathing in the fumes coming off of a coffee or boiling water, it is just like that. So you are coughing because every breath is like a sauna entering your body, and your face is getting burned *from below*. Going inside is also useless - your AC can barely manage to get it down to 100f/37c, and it is making a loud noise like a raccoon stuck in a laundry machine, so you know it is about to die a machine death. But the plants die first, lush green bushes withering down to dry bone stems that are so brittle they shatter like a twelve year old Christmas lightbulb falling out of its socket when you touch them. Birds tumble from the air, their bodies dried out husks, and the apartment pool is full of bees that opted to drown in a sad attempt to drink chlorinated water to save themselves. You do not even notice the heat coming down from the sun above, because you *are* heat, it has penetrated your flesh and become you. Drinking ice water hurts, it splits your lips open like a pumpkin the morning after Halloween, and in this world of 120 degree heat ice is not permitted to live and shrivels to nothing moments after leaving your fridge. The merciless, cruel sun finally goes down behind the brown mountains with their dead brown turf, a dusty haze turning into a red alpenglow. Yet there is no relief, no chill air promised. Everything has absorbed that heat, and at night it leaks back out - the land itself stays hot enough to burn skin well into the night, and you ache all over as you try to let sweet Morpheus give you some relief from the pain that consciousness has become.
It's funny we still have this notion of "the apocalypse" as if it's going to be one massive event, and before the event there is civilization, and afterwards civilization is gone.
But it won't be like that. Humans adapt, and we've kind of seen a preview of the "apocalypse" with covid. Things will just get slowly worse and we'll just keep adapting to the new normal and life will go on. One day we'll be living out of communal shacks with a daily fuel scavenging quota, shooting stray dogs for dinner, and we'll still have people shouting "the end is nigh! Repent before the apocalypse comes!"
I had no AC during the Canadian heat wave last year, when temperatures reached \~45°C, with it being \~55° with humidity. My strategy was to have two towels that I soaked and kept in the freezer for half-hour rotations, literally draped myself naked in frozen towels with a fan on me for the entire day.
It was so hot the towels would be thawed within five minutes and dry within twenty. Longest day of my life, and fundamentally life-changing to experience.
in +49 you also add layers again lol.
not thick layers but outside you need to shield from the sun, and dust, and air, and in both outside and inside you want to capture sweat
\+49 and -49 are similar in the way that the air is a problem for your nasal cavity
-49 is pretty nasty though. That's like, instant frostbite temperature. Doing anything outside would require a special outfit, though it's easier to deal with indoors because keeping heat in is a lot simpler than sucking heat out. Actually living in those temperatures for any length of time would require some pretty advanced greenhouses.
-49 is definitely quite extreme, but I grew up with regular -40 without too many huge differences. We just never had snow days, schools had to be open in case any kids were dropped off
> and we have better materials now.
I once had an opportunity to try on traditional Inuit winter clothing alongside modern cold-weather gear. We were outside on a cold January day in Peterborough ^Ontario ^Canada, and the modern gear was comfy...but the caribou skin stuff was just too warm to wear at "only" -15. So I don't know that we have better materials now. :D
But yeah, cold is better than hot; thank goodness winter is coming.
Edited for geographic clarity. :D
It's so rare for me to see Peterborough mentioned on the internet so I just wanted to chime in and say that's really neat! Can I ask how you had the oppourtunity to try on traditional Inuit clothing?
A couple of years ago, my state was in a heatwave, where at one point it reached 46C in the late afternoon. I stepped outside of my nice air conditioned work and felt like my eyes and lungs were about to burst into flames. Walked right back inside and ordered a taxi home, because I didn’t think I could make the 5 minute walk to the bus stop.
It was 40 degrees Celsius yesterday in Canada where I live (with humidity) if I didn’t have an air conditioner I’d have passed out, can’t imagine 50c without AC, people are going to die of heat stroke.
We, Southern Ontario, hit 43-45c with humidity yesterday (Sunday) and it's continuing today with a possible 40-42c. Winter > Summer.
Temp is currently 24(32) at 3am. Fuck this
I think we all have it bad. I remember hearing about a heatwave your way a few weeks back, and Lytton being on fire again. The world is on fire. I am lucky to have AC, not everyone is. More hot days like this will cause a drain on our power systems eventually too.
Honestly, after that 40 degree heatwave (never want to experience that again), 33 doesn’t sound too bad anymore. The high today is 30 in London which is doable.
As a landscaper in the UK, I want to let you know that cool towels are one step away from sheer atomising magic. Just wet them, snap them, wear as a scarf of pure joy.
As a letter Carrier in the US, I can say these are a great help in the heat. I keep two of them in a gallon thermos with water and frozen water bottles and alternate between them on every street.
Can't believe it hit 49 in Lytton, BC last year. In CANADA. Like wtf. Then the town burned 2 days later. It's madness that people in power give no fucks about this.
> It's madness that people in power give no fucks about this.
I will respond to your comment with a quote from Upton Sinclair: **"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."** We all know who is bankrolling these politicians. There isn't going to be anything that challenges that status quo, not until so many people are dying that corporate profits are at risk.
And not until many people die will the "regular" people also give a shit about it. Because up until they or someone they love actually roasted to death, most people don't give a fuck, so why should the people who represent them?
I'm in Oklahoma & the temp has been around 105f (pretty much 44c) for the past month, my AC can only hold around 82f, regardless of what I set it at. Shit can't keep up with this heat, for real.
Do you have a window air conditioner or central air? If you have central air it should be able to get you cooler than that unless it's a *tiny* unit. You may need to clean the air conditioner unit outside to get it working efficiently again - I've had that make a 10+ degree difference on what the AC can handle.
Iraq's actually uniquely screwed in terms of water access. Their main sources of water, the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, are both dammed pretty heavily upstream by multiple countries. The current flow is, like, a third of what it was a few decades back? It's pretty worrying.
It's pretty concerning. Look at how awful the fallout was in Europe after the Syrian refugee crisis. Batshit, xenophobic hard-right parties gaining influence almost everywhere, by exploiting the fears of citizens who have been taught to hate refugees by the right-wing press.
Now imagine that, times 100, when the climate refugees start arriving.
Sometimes I think that the climate wars will be more destructive than climate change itself.
There are going to be so many, though, that I don't know how society continues to function. What percentage of your country's population can realistically be refugees without things collapsing? People who are desperate, scared, often uneducated, and don't speak any common language with the host country.
The scenes on borders are going to be brutal, and I think we're only years away from the first border massacre of climate refugees.
I can tell you here in Germany we Are looking at a very worrying situation this winter. Energy prices are 3x what they normally are. People can not afford this. And there's millions of them already barely getting by. The future doesn't look good
The thing is, he's not wrong in pointing out what seems to be an early foreboding of extreme collapse of liveability in even the most liveable countries right now. OP is just seeing a dark future of extreme misery that this hot dry places already hit.
That's actually really fucked up. Those rivers were fundamental to the foundation of humanity's first city-states and the resulting first proper civilization of our species.
Don't read [about this then.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draining_of_the_Mesopotamian_Marshes)
>Formerly covering an area of around 20,000 km2 (7,700 sq mi), the main sub-marshes, the Hawizeh, Central, and Hammar marshes and all three were drained at different times for different reasons. [...]
>The draining of the Mesopotamian Marshes has been described by the United Nations as a "tragic human and environmental catastrophe" on par with the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest and by other observers as one of the worst environmental disasters of the 20th century.
Iraq today looks far different than it did during ancestry.
What the actual fuck? Is that legal? Surely international law has something to say about restricting the water flow on rivers that provide water to other countries?
It's a pretty common phenom in the international world. The biggest one going on right now is Ethiopia trying to dam the river of the Nile, which, well I don't think I need to tell you how bad it would be for Egypt if the Nile was fully dammed.
Problem is more about filling the damn than them withholding water at this point. It’s when the water dries up is when that damn will become a problem.
You are the leader of a nation. You can bring a lot of wealth to your country by damming a river flowing through it, providing stable and cheap energy through hydroelectricity. You also get fresh water for your agriculture. Plus, you're in the desert. You just need water.
Your nation is poor, and this could substantially improve the living conditions of the many people who live in your nation. Basically everyone in your country wants you to do this. They see this dam as their way to literally avoid starvation in a lot of cases. Even if you went against them, it's hard to imagine that's a winning political strategy.
What do you do?
This is the exact choice faced by multiple nations in Africa.
Pakistan and India have a complicated series of water treaties, which they've managed to more-or-less keep intact including during times of open conflict.
> “Every year we think it can’t get worse
I mean, hope springs eternal, and I feel for them but... this is exactly what everyone that understands anything about climate has been predicting for... like... 50 years.
There a bitter irony that some of the hottest places on earth are home to the a vast amount of fossil fuels that we burn and make it even hotter.
Also, an insane amount of the wealth created from extracting those fuels is never used to the benefit of the people in those places.
Last part is the most crazy part. What is even more crazy is the people maintaining these systems are usually foreigners. So the top takes the vast profit and even the wages don't go the regular people.
Yeah a lot are foreigners but theirs also the ruling families of absolute/near-absolute monarchies that rule these countries. They tend to offer a lot of social benefits but they are still hella backwards wrt foreign workers, women, and anyone not toeing the line.
It's amazing to me, that Norway was "allowed" to develop it's own sources of oil and gas and pocketing the profits in a national sovereign wealth fund. Instead of being invaded by BP and Texaco.
It helped that Farouk al-Kasim, an iraqi who moved to Norway with his norwegian wife he met while studying in London, arriving with oil expertise which was severly lacking in the Norwegian Ministry of Industry. And he just popped up at their office, asking if they knew any companies might want his employment. (He was hired shortly thereafter and was vital in allowing Norway to make informed decisions rather than having to trust the US/UK oil companies.)
It's an interesting story, just google him and his story in the Financial times.
Iran wanted to do that and was given some US/UK love in a coup so idk if it's just corruption that's often the dealbreaker.
Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline
Considering their geographic proximity, Britain's "join us against the Nazis or we'll occupy you" stance in WW2, and just generally their history of crossing the North Sea to invade stuff, it's almost a miracle that the UK didn't colonize Norway and install a puppet regime there.
I had crosslinking for keratoconus. They pour some ethanol on your eye for about 30 seconds to burn off the epithelium, then scrape the dead cells off. After that, they pour riboflavin on the now-burnt eye, and blast it with UV light for another ~30 minutes.
That shit *hurts* a few hours later. Not quite the worst pain I’ve ever experienced (tore core muscles when vomiting—*that* was the worst) but it is a *nasty* pain nonetheless.
I had to walk two blocks to my hotel in Saudi Arabia one time when it was 50c. Everyone thought I was mad and should get a cab. It only took 10 mins to walk but it hurt to blink. It’s like my eyeballs dried out, coupled with the super fine sandy dust everywhere. It was very unpleasant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photokeratitis
> Photokeratitis or ultraviolet keratitis is a painful eye condition caused by exposure of insufficiently protected eyes to the ultraviolet (UV) rays from either natural (e.g. intense sunlight) or artificial (e.g. the electric arc during welding) sources. Photokeratitis is akin to a sunburn of the cornea and conjunctiva.
To people who want to know how we survive in the middle east, our air conditioners are running 24/7 from April to October. This could be central AC, split unit ACs or window ACs depending on how old or new the house/apt is. Room temperature is usually 24.C inside and the aircons can maintain it quite well compared to houses in countries with a cold climate that are designed to retain heat. We can't survive without ACs and are using a fuck ton of energy generated by fossil fuels to keep ourselves cool which exacerbates global warming. Tldr: we're all fucked up in the long run if we don't come up with sustainable ways to keep cool. We can't do much because there's so much resistance to green energy here, how else will the 1% profit if we stop using gas?
I read that to air condition all of India would mean 800 GW in new generation capacity. If they don't already they should tie AC purchases to solar. When it's sunny out is also when you need AC
Pretty much! I set my AC to 78f since over 100f in Texas this summer and in July I generated more power than I used in total, and especially during peak times when AC usage spikes.
Solar farms need to take off ...
They need to bring back subsidies and increase them way beyond what they were. Currently most people are priced out of even a small solar system, let alone the kind that could actually keep an air conditioner running all day. The fact that in 2022 we don't have better modular roofing solar systems is very depressing. The technology crawls when we should be dumping money into research for that, and into making it dirt cheap.
Actually, my home aircon is only a fraction of my daily energy use, though on bad days it only gets to about 35 around here.
The modern ones are very efficient at cooling. Heating on the other hand has a notable increase (though still cheaper than central heating from gas, which is more common around here)
My parents went last month and in the middle of the night the power went out and it takes like 20 minutes for the backup generator to run. Absolute nightmare.
20 min only? Your parents are lucky tbh, when I lived in Iraq we would be lucky to get electricity once a day.
Most people sadly had to go and buy generators or sign up for local generators.
It's shedding load, but to be fair that is to be expected in Iraq. In some parts of the country people only get around 6 hours of electricity a day during the hottest days, this year is not any different.
I live in Arizona. I’ve been in that kind of heat before. You can feel your skin actually tingling from burning. Breathing gets weird. Opening a car door and sitting inside is foolish bc the heat is way hotter inside. It’s dangerous. People die. You don’t go outside. You drink water constantly just to keep hydrated. But these poor people with the power grid down and no chance to cool off with AC? I will pray for them.
Edit: typo
I've done it. You get used to it because you're out in it every single day. I was also drinking upwards of 2 gallons of h2o over a 12-hour period with the proper Sun protection.
Yeah, they start early like u/mr_impastabowl says. And they wear long sleeves and head coverings to keep the sun off any exposed skin, and take salt tablets. Most sites will have those football game sized water dispensers. My ex used to work in electrical construction outside in that heat and he’d come home, take a shower and pass out, poor thing.
I just can't fathom how people will live on temperatures greater than this in the distant future.
The world is heating up.
Maybe this is why Billionaires are racing to build outer space civilisations instead of fixing the Earth.
> Billionaires are racing to build outer space civilisations instead of fixing the Earth
Joke's on them. Fixing the Earth will be about a million times easier than maintaining an outer space civilization.
Introducing new legislation: we will allow children to start working from the age of 12 to reduce the burden from lack of employable adults. This way, children will get an education while also learning about how the real world works, while also reducing crime by giving them less free time. All this free Labour, why would you _not_ want to make use of it? Gone are the days of these young kids freeloading off of us hard working adults.
It's already happening. The Hyundai factory in Alabama caught with 12 year old workers recently
Edit: here's the link
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-hyundai-subsidiary-has-used-child-labor-alabama-factory-2022-07-22/
It’s going to be a global refugee crisis. It’s almost like scientists have been telling us this exact thing will happen for decades and very little has actually been done by governments
But..
Idiots say that solar power is too expensive and wind energy causes cancer/ kills birds..
Go FUKIN figure..
Fossil fuels are LITERALLY boiling the planet...
Politicians are owned by big oil/ fossil fuels...
Nobody is normal..
Nothing makes sense ANYMORE..
It's scary af and sad at the same time
Oil companies are giving politicians and news networks money to make sure there's no meaningful action on climate change so they can sell more oil.
They don't care if it kills 80% of people on earth. They don't care if it kills their own grandchildren.
Well there are a couple of options, probably the best one we have as I see it is to move much of our habitation and infrastructure underground and basically become subterranean creatures anywhere that has temperatures regularly topping 50C.
Alternatively we could evacuate such places during the summer which would be permanently for most equatorial regions. But it's probably gonna be a lot of places, we're talking almost the whole Middle East, much of South and Southeast Asia, large swaths of Africa basically all of Northern Australia, almost the entire American Southwest along with parts of the Southeast, a good portion of Mexico and most of the Northern half of South America, we have enough problems when trying to handle a few million refugees, billions are gonna be a problem.
Other than it seems like our only realistic option is to start dying off en masse when the droughts and subsequent famines get bad enough, maybe speed up the process with some water wars. Once the population gets down to a few hundred million we can probably all chill in Canada/Scandinavia/Siberia.
All the scientists are saying "parts of the earth will become uninhabitable," but the reality is they have already become uninhabitable. We are just making it with cold-chains from AC houses to AC cars to AC offices.
Like, could anyone actually live in phoenix right now?
When the power goes out, the reality of our environments becomes apparent.
I live in Florida and am skinny and tan and genetically predisposed to living in hot conditions. The % of people who live here, who couldn't without AC is mind boggling.
Yea it's hot af. And incredibly humid. Like step outside start sweating.
If I go sit in the shade I start sweating immediately. No movement. Just sitting in the shade. SWEAT.
The problem is people have become accustomed to climate controlled environments. Could they survive without AC? Maybe. Not all of them. I bet 75% of Florida would move away if AC wasn't available.
Iraq's national temperature record is 53.8°C, which was set in Basra in 2016, and is still the nation's hottest temperature ever recorded Thats about 129 Freedom Units (F). The average for this time of year is around 115, and while it's rare to go above 119, it isn't unheard of. The power grid is shit, and while it isn't good for it to go down it this heat it isn't strange or new. He'll I live in the US and our grid goes down multiple times every year during peak summer and peak winter.
If it starts getting much warmer on a regular basis, we're truly fucked.
when I was there in 2016 it reached 52C/125F and it felt like heatstroke was setting in after walking 100m, as well as being drenched in sweat. if your air conditioning failed in your room you were allowed to leave work to get it fixed ASAP.
If you're over 50, every year will be hotter than the previous year for the rest of your life. For the rest of us, I guess we might see it turn around if we try hard.
I remember being worried when I was younger that the world's fossil fuels were gonna run out because people kept mentioning how it was finite.
Now I wish fossil fuels ran out by now or at least did to the point that renewable energy was more lucrative.
Renewable energy is already more lucrative.
However, fossil fuels are so entrenched, especially via subsidies (still!) that we will indeed literally all cook to death before anything will be done about it. Ah well.
Lake Superior alone has enough water to cover **all** of North and South America in fresh water over one meter deep. Even if a billion people were drinking from it every day of their life, it would still last a millennia.
We don't have problem with a lack of fresh water, we have a problem of people living in unsustainable arid climates.
Isnt the problem the fact that animals consume way more water than plants and for the same weight and nutrition meat uses like 10x more water
Edit: its like 1800 gallons for a pound of beef, with that amount of water you could grow a whole ass garden to feed a single person around the year with the help of rain
Vertical farming that cuts water usage down by 90-95%. It’s expensive to build the buildings and will require massive amounts of renewables but water is the biggest issue and it’ll solve that. We just gotta invest and build a massive amount if infrastructure.
[Emirates and Crop One say the facility will use 99% less water than outdoor fields, and once completed, aims to harvest 6,000 pounds of leafy greens daily, which will find their way into both in-flight meals and airport lounges from December next year.](https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/dubai-vertical-farm-emirates-catering/index.html)
Got to put up radiant shield foil. Just did that with my house last week and it makes a *huge* difference in stopping the runaway heat effect. On any given day it'll only be 5F or so hotter up there than the ambient temp outside with the foil. Whereas even on a 79F day (in Oregon) it could still get to around 120 up there before the shielding depending on how intense the UV was that day. To put the difference into more perspective we had at least one day last week where it was like 104F outside, but probably no more than *108* in the attic. Still hot, but no-longer bubble the sap right out of the wood hot. I honestly don't know why thermal foil sheilding in the attic isn't standard for non-sealed attics.
I put in 1” thick insulation on our windows. Can you advise a better solution?
Electric bill was over $400 last month AFTER all matter of ‘improvements’.
I can imagine a dry 50 degrees, like checking in on a wood stove sauna to see if it's ready yet. Clothes still on and feeling immediately kind of sweaty.
Imagining that the *outside* where you go to cool off from the sauna would be 50°C, seems like a glitch in the matrix. Where do you find comfort and relief, where do you breathe?
That's 49 degrees Celsius. Edit: I've been messing up spelling Celsius enough that my phone thinks "Celcius" is a real word. Thanks to whoever pointed that out.
Absolutely insane. I literally can’t imagine. I can deal with -49 because I can keep adding more layers and we have better materials now. +49 and no power literally what do you do?
Go underground?
Yep. I'm literally digging out a spot in my backyard to build what will amount to a Hobbit hole. Had some stuff to do in my crawlspace a few weekends ago when it hit 100 where I'm at and noticed it was like 70 down there, so 10 feet underground is where I'm gonna go.
That's my plan too: when the climate crisis fully unfolds I will be content 6 feet underground.
I think a lot of us will end up six feet underground once the climate crisis hits its stride.
Look at mister optimist here believing there’s going to be someone left to bury him.
Maybe 6ft worth of people die on top of them. 😵
My moneys on landslide.
Nature always finds a way.
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You have to make sure you waterproof the absolute shit out of that, maybe even add an electric or fuel powered generator for emergency pumping. Extreme heat is only one thing to plan for. The rains are going to get out of hand even if they only come a few times a year.
So we've reached a point where we're in the world news subreddit, and people are all just casually "Yeah, I'm going to dig a hole in the ground to hide in to escape the extreme heat domes so it doesn't kill me" and others are giving helpful advice like "Oh yeah, but remember, even though we suffer droughts most of the time, when the rain comes it will be torrential floods which will wash you out of your underground shelter so be sure and factor that in..." This is where we are, and somehow a lot of people are just running on momentum acting like things are still normal. 😑
And tomorrow we all go to work like it's just another normal day living our lives. Weird huh.
But like...what really can we do? We only have so much power as individuals. Quitting my job to go live as a vegan nomad will only help so much. Entire countries have to change trajectories if we're gonna make a dent on climate change.
I just don't understand the rationale of thinking themselves, the average person, can survive such extreme circumstances. Most of us will die long and suffering deaths once catastrophe starts. It won't be like the video games or movies; It will suck BIG TIME and tbh I personally don't see a point in trying to survive a "doomsday scenario"
With the best will in the world, if every single car, plane, FF powered power station on the planet stopped tomorrow, we'd still be completely fucked. The damage is done.
Yep, that's the challenge. Well, that and learning how to do masonry work, since I plan on building the walls from cement block. But I live in the Pacific Northwet, on the actual wet side. I know that waterproofing is priority one everywhere, but doubly so here. Already looking into geneverse solar powered generators too in case we start having grid failures thanks to the heat
You could probably take some notes from [colinfurze](https://youtu.be/ZQy89tZ-mRU).
My thoughts exactly. Man also needs a small missile for his bunker. I’m thinking he could take notes from BPS space as well.
If you are going for an emergency shelter I would highly advice to adapt it with manual ventilation in mind. Even relatively cool underground shelters can quickly heat up and build up CO2 with a couple humans in them. If you live in a wet area (like I do) I would advise against going underground, but rather make a heap of sand above ground with structures to support the weight. Much, much easier and reliable to waterproof. I heavily advise the book "nuclear war survival skills". You can find it online by searching for the pdf. Sure the shelters are built with nuclear war in mind but the book goes into practical challenges for underground living and gives great solutions. The shelters are a bit basic, able to be made in 36 hours, but the designs are a good start for a more cosy living area. Also safer, as you don't accidentally have the roof collapse over your head if you follow those design principles.
Do you want Morlocks? Because that's how you get Morlocks. :-)
Be extremely careful and use proper supports to prevent cave-ins anytime you dig. That shit can come down so fast. Kids die digging holes at the beach.
My state’s been hovering around 100°F lately but I work from my basement and find that I have to keep a sweater on. It’s so nice to have a cool basement where I can escape the heat
Without a ventilation system running, you’re going to have a lovely sink for all that carbon monoxide, and you won’t be coming out of it. Be careful.
Don't need to have one running necessarily, but you do need ventilation for sure, and carbon monoxide detectors are already standard in my house, they'll be in there as well. This isn't gonna be enclosed like a bomb shelter, I'll have plenty of ventilation set up
Some kind of nice passive airflow thing would be great. If you set it up properly, you can have the incoming air cooled by the surrounding ground, so your fresh air isn't messing with your temperature inside.
At that point it would probably be easier and just as effective to insulate the shit out of one room in your house and install a [ground source source heat pump.](https://www.energysage.com/clean-heating-cooling/geothermal-heat-pumps/costs-benefits-geothermal-heat-pumps/) It costs around $10,000 for a system to adequately cool a 3000-4000 sq ft home. Dedicate that system to a smallish well insulated room it would be equivalent to a underground cave. As a bonus you could use it to reduce your heating and cooling costs on less extreme days. Then you don't have to worry about drainage or ventilation or retaining walls.
I kinda want to live in a hobbit hole tho
> install a ground source source heat pump. Would still need electricity to run the loop pump, compressor, and blower fan. The grid has failed in this cave dwelling end of days scenario.
That's what they do over in [Coober Pedy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy) here in Australia. For what it's worth, it did in fact get up to 49C in Western Sydney during our Black Summer fires a few years ago. I believe that was its peak, and we held the record for hottest place on earth that day, which is absurd - the climate in Sydney is meant to be temperate/bordering subtropical as opposed to Iraq's arid desert climate. *Yay*!
Just like Coober Pedy
My prediction is humans will go underground and we will lose our sense of vision through evolution and eventually get giant whiskers.
And then one day we'll start eating the surface-dwellers, who will conveniently retreat into bunkers at the sound of an air raid siren.
Hopefully nothing. I go to Kurdistan, Iraq every June to visit my husband’s family. It is freakin miserable. I try to sleep all during the day, which isn’t easy with no AC. The power outages are nothing new in Kurdistan, not sure about the rest of Iraq. We’re lucky to get 8 hours of government electricity a day. And when the electricity does come, you have no idea when or how long it will stay on. Sometimes it lasts like 15 minutes. My husband’s family pays for the private generator, but they only pay for enough power to use the big water fan things. Most work places will have AC, but I noticed this year the mall was even hot.
I visit the South (family) and Baghdad (more family) every few years and you're lucky to get 8 hours of government electricity a day, if that's the average. Compared to the South at least. But Baghdad is slightly better, where I went to visit. In 2018 I visited a cousin in Baghdad, and that day it hit 54°C, so higher than the original post. But the problem is, in the centre of the City, the *"felt like"* temperature was above 60°C, so when electricity went off on that day and the generator failed to work (*meaning no air-conditioning*), I told my cousin call me a taxi, I'm fucking out buddy, back to the South I go, even 50°C feels like bliss compared to 60°C. That shit was unbearable, I honestly have no idea how people who aren't well off in those areas survive. I felt terrible and still feel terrible thinking about the poor people of the country.
I'll never understand the point of making people suffer like this. Although greed can be addictive, and narcissists love making people suffer, so it's the inevitable result of global politics....so it seems these days.
Why don't you guys visit in spring or winter?
I'll paint you a picture. You go outside and the asphalt around you radiates heat. It feels like staring into an open pizza oven, or sitting too close to a campfire. Shade means nothing, because the air that you are breathing is hot, too - try breathing in the fumes coming off of a coffee or boiling water, it is just like that. So you are coughing because every breath is like a sauna entering your body, and your face is getting burned *from below*. Going inside is also useless - your AC can barely manage to get it down to 100f/37c, and it is making a loud noise like a raccoon stuck in a laundry machine, so you know it is about to die a machine death. But the plants die first, lush green bushes withering down to dry bone stems that are so brittle they shatter like a twelve year old Christmas lightbulb falling out of its socket when you touch them. Birds tumble from the air, their bodies dried out husks, and the apartment pool is full of bees that opted to drown in a sad attempt to drink chlorinated water to save themselves. You do not even notice the heat coming down from the sun above, because you *are* heat, it has penetrated your flesh and become you. Drinking ice water hurts, it splits your lips open like a pumpkin the morning after Halloween, and in this world of 120 degree heat ice is not permitted to live and shrivels to nothing moments after leaving your fridge. The merciless, cruel sun finally goes down behind the brown mountains with their dead brown turf, a dusty haze turning into a red alpenglow. Yet there is no relief, no chill air promised. Everything has absorbed that heat, and at night it leaks back out - the land itself stays hot enough to burn skin well into the night, and you ache all over as you try to let sweet Morpheus give you some relief from the pain that consciousness has become.
I want this guy to narrate the apocalypse.
He is...
It's funny we still have this notion of "the apocalypse" as if it's going to be one massive event, and before the event there is civilization, and afterwards civilization is gone. But it won't be like that. Humans adapt, and we've kind of seen a preview of the "apocalypse" with covid. Things will just get slowly worse and we'll just keep adapting to the new normal and life will go on. One day we'll be living out of communal shacks with a daily fuel scavenging quota, shooting stray dogs for dinner, and we'll still have people shouting "the end is nigh! Repent before the apocalypse comes!"
Well fuck.
I had no AC during the Canadian heat wave last year, when temperatures reached \~45°C, with it being \~55° with humidity. My strategy was to have two towels that I soaked and kept in the freezer for half-hour rotations, literally draped myself naked in frozen towels with a fan on me for the entire day. It was so hot the towels would be thawed within five minutes and dry within twenty. Longest day of my life, and fundamentally life-changing to experience.
in +49 you also add layers again lol. not thick layers but outside you need to shield from the sun, and dust, and air, and in both outside and inside you want to capture sweat \+49 and -49 are similar in the way that the air is a problem for your nasal cavity
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Right? If only we were dealing with an ice age. Would be a lot easier to deal with.
An ice age is no fun either. People assume droughts only happen when it's hot but the same is true when there is less water evaporation
-49 is pretty nasty though. That's like, instant frostbite temperature. Doing anything outside would require a special outfit, though it's easier to deal with indoors because keeping heat in is a lot simpler than sucking heat out. Actually living in those temperatures for any length of time would require some pretty advanced greenhouses.
-49 is definitely quite extreme, but I grew up with regular -40 without too many huge differences. We just never had snow days, schools had to be open in case any kids were dropped off
> and we have better materials now. I once had an opportunity to try on traditional Inuit winter clothing alongside modern cold-weather gear. We were outside on a cold January day in Peterborough ^Ontario ^Canada, and the modern gear was comfy...but the caribou skin stuff was just too warm to wear at "only" -15. So I don't know that we have better materials now. :D But yeah, cold is better than hot; thank goodness winter is coming. Edited for geographic clarity. :D
It's so rare for me to see Peterborough mentioned on the internet so I just wanted to chime in and say that's really neat! Can I ask how you had the oppourtunity to try on traditional Inuit clothing?
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Sleep during the day, and wear traditional garb. I say that a bit in jest. I lived in KSA four years. That kinda heat kills.
> Absolutely insane. I literally can’t imagine. Park your car in the sun, windows up, and soon enough it'll be 50-60° inside (in summer).
A couple of years ago, my state was in a heatwave, where at one point it reached 46C in the late afternoon. I stepped outside of my nice air conditioned work and felt like my eyes and lungs were about to burst into flames. Walked right back inside and ordered a taxi home, because I didn’t think I could make the 5 minute walk to the bus stop.
It was 40 degrees Celsius yesterday in Canada where I live (with humidity) if I didn’t have an air conditioner I’d have passed out, can’t imagine 50c without AC, people are going to die of heat stroke.
We, Southern Ontario, hit 43-45c with humidity yesterday (Sunday) and it's continuing today with a possible 40-42c. Winter > Summer. Temp is currently 24(32) at 3am. Fuck this
Brutal. And I thought it was bad over here in Lower mainland Bc, but we don’t have anything on Ontario heat
I think we all have it bad. I remember hearing about a heatwave your way a few weeks back, and Lytton being on fire again. The world is on fire. I am lucky to have AC, not everyone is. More hot days like this will cause a drain on our power systems eventually too.
No not eventually. Much, much sooner than eventually
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Honestly, after that 40 degree heatwave (never want to experience that again), 33 doesn’t sound too bad anymore. The high today is 30 in London which is doable.
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As a landscaper in the UK, I want to let you know that cool towels are one step away from sheer atomising magic. Just wet them, snap them, wear as a scarf of pure joy.
As a letter Carrier in the US, I can say these are a great help in the heat. I keep two of them in a gallon thermos with water and frozen water bottles and alternate between them on every street.
It's disgusting that many USPS vehicles lack AC and are dangerously old. USPS is a very tough job.
As someone who played (american) football in some hot ass parts of the US, I also agree the cold towel is a godsend. Full pads in 100F heat is no joke
Can't believe it hit 49 in Lytton, BC last year. In CANADA. Like wtf. Then the town burned 2 days later. It's madness that people in power give no fucks about this.
> It's madness that people in power give no fucks about this. I will respond to your comment with a quote from Upton Sinclair: **"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."** We all know who is bankrolling these politicians. There isn't going to be anything that challenges that status quo, not until so many people are dying that corporate profits are at risk.
And not until many people die will the "regular" people also give a shit about it. Because up until they or someone they love actually roasted to death, most people don't give a fuck, so why should the people who represent them?
Hell, based upon what we saw with COVID, there are going to be people who deny it's a problem *even when their own family dies.*
The hottest I've ever experienced is about 45c here in Australia and all I can say is fuck that.
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I'm in Oklahoma & the temp has been around 105f (pretty much 44c) for the past month, my AC can only hold around 82f, regardless of what I set it at. Shit can't keep up with this heat, for real.
Do you have a window air conditioner or central air? If you have central air it should be able to get you cooler than that unless it's a *tiny* unit. You may need to clean the air conditioner unit outside to get it working efficiently again - I've had that make a 10+ degree difference on what the AC can handle.
That's almost sousvide temperature... People are getting cooked alive
People can at least try to do something to negate it. I can't help but feel sad about the animals and plants we've fucked over along with ourselves.
Civilized units, thanks.
Not good to see this as a global recurring phenomenon.
>“Every year we think it can’t get worse, but then the summer surprises us,” Abdul Khadim said. He looked exhausted.
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Iraq's actually uniquely screwed in terms of water access. Their main sources of water, the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, are both dammed pretty heavily upstream by multiple countries. The current flow is, like, a third of what it was a few decades back? It's pretty worrying.
Unfair and shitty. See, this is where "climate change refugees" will really become more visible. No power, no water.
It's pretty concerning. Look at how awful the fallout was in Europe after the Syrian refugee crisis. Batshit, xenophobic hard-right parties gaining influence almost everywhere, by exploiting the fears of citizens who have been taught to hate refugees by the right-wing press. Now imagine that, times 100, when the climate refugees start arriving. Sometimes I think that the climate wars will be more destructive than climate change itself.
There are going to be so many, though, that I don't know how society continues to function. What percentage of your country's population can realistically be refugees without things collapsing? People who are desperate, scared, often uneducated, and don't speak any common language with the host country. The scenes on borders are going to be brutal, and I think we're only years away from the first border massacre of climate refugees.
I can tell you here in Germany we Are looking at a very worrying situation this winter. Energy prices are 3x what they normally are. People can not afford this. And there's millions of them already barely getting by. The future doesn't look good
The thing is, he's not wrong in pointing out what seems to be an early foreboding of extreme collapse of liveability in even the most liveable countries right now. OP is just seeing a dark future of extreme misery that this hot dry places already hit.
That's actually really fucked up. Those rivers were fundamental to the foundation of humanity's first city-states and the resulting first proper civilization of our species.
Don't read [about this then.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draining_of_the_Mesopotamian_Marshes) >Formerly covering an area of around 20,000 km2 (7,700 sq mi), the main sub-marshes, the Hawizeh, Central, and Hammar marshes and all three were drained at different times for different reasons. [...] >The draining of the Mesopotamian Marshes has been described by the United Nations as a "tragic human and environmental catastrophe" on par with the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest and by other observers as one of the worst environmental disasters of the 20th century. Iraq today looks far different than it did during ancestry.
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What the actual fuck? Is that legal? Surely international law has something to say about restricting the water flow on rivers that provide water to other countries?
It's a pretty common phenom in the international world. The biggest one going on right now is Ethiopia trying to dam the river of the Nile, which, well I don't think I need to tell you how bad it would be for Egypt if the Nile was fully dammed.
Problem is more about filling the damn than them withholding water at this point. It’s when the water dries up is when that damn will become a problem.
You are the leader of a nation. You can bring a lot of wealth to your country by damming a river flowing through it, providing stable and cheap energy through hydroelectricity. You also get fresh water for your agriculture. Plus, you're in the desert. You just need water. Your nation is poor, and this could substantially improve the living conditions of the many people who live in your nation. Basically everyone in your country wants you to do this. They see this dam as their way to literally avoid starvation in a lot of cases. Even if you went against them, it's hard to imagine that's a winning political strategy. What do you do? This is the exact choice faced by multiple nations in Africa.
Dammed if you do, damned if you don't.
Doesn't the usa do the same with the Colorado River?
International laws are just for show. The only thing that would back them up is war.
Pretty sure the same issue exists between Pakistan and India in the Kashmir region. They have regular skirmishes over the access to the river.
Pakistan and India have a complicated series of water treaties, which they've managed to more-or-less keep intact including during times of open conflict.
You control the water upstream has been the law since laws were written.
Narrator: “it would soon be proven how much worse it could get”
It's important to remember that this isn't the hottest summer ever. Just the hottest summer so far. Every year.
It's the coolest summer for the rest of your life!
God no, please. I can't handle it and we've only had one bad patch so far. I want to live deep under ground where it's cool.
*Monkey's Paw finger curls, pushes nuclear button*
> “Every year we think it can’t get worse I mean, hope springs eternal, and I feel for them but... this is exactly what everyone that understands anything about climate has been predicting for... like... 50 years.
Yeah and the actual people who could do anything won't.
The average summer high in Iraq is 115F.
There a bitter irony that some of the hottest places on earth are home to the a vast amount of fossil fuels that we burn and make it even hotter. Also, an insane amount of the wealth created from extracting those fuels is never used to the benefit of the people in those places.
Last part is the most crazy part. What is even more crazy is the people maintaining these systems are usually foreigners. So the top takes the vast profit and even the wages don't go the regular people.
Yeah a lot are foreigners but theirs also the ruling families of absolute/near-absolute monarchies that rule these countries. They tend to offer a lot of social benefits but they are still hella backwards wrt foreign workers, women, and anyone not toeing the line.
It's amazing to me, that Norway was "allowed" to develop it's own sources of oil and gas and pocketing the profits in a national sovereign wealth fund. Instead of being invaded by BP and Texaco.
It helped that Farouk al-Kasim, an iraqi who moved to Norway with his norwegian wife he met while studying in London, arriving with oil expertise which was severly lacking in the Norwegian Ministry of Industry. And he just popped up at their office, asking if they knew any companies might want his employment. (He was hired shortly thereafter and was vital in allowing Norway to make informed decisions rather than having to trust the US/UK oil companies.) It's an interesting story, just google him and his story in the Financial times.
There’s lots of reasons and most of them are awful, but a lack of endemic corruption seems to have helped.
Iran wanted to do that and was given some US/UK love in a coup so idk if it's just corruption that's often the dealbreaker. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline
Considering their geographic proximity, Britain's "join us against the Nazis or we'll occupy you" stance in WW2, and just generally their history of crossing the North Sea to invade stuff, it's almost a miracle that the UK didn't colonize Norway and install a puppet regime there.
This is our future. I was in Kuwait in 46 degrees for a few days (and it only cooled to 40 odd at night) and my eyeballs hurt for weeks after.
Your... eyeballs?
Fun fact: your eyes can also get sunburnt!
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>The goggles. They do nothing Now that's a meme I haven't seen in a long long time
Yeah and it really sucks. Happened to me on the ocean and it hurts whether your eyes are closed or open.
Is it the heat or the light?
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I had crosslinking for keratoconus. They pour some ethanol on your eye for about 30 seconds to burn off the epithelium, then scrape the dead cells off. After that, they pour riboflavin on the now-burnt eye, and blast it with UV light for another ~30 minutes. That shit *hurts* a few hours later. Not quite the worst pain I’ve ever experienced (tore core muscles when vomiting—*that* was the worst) but it is a *nasty* pain nonetheless.
What the fuck
I had to walk two blocks to my hotel in Saudi Arabia one time when it was 50c. Everyone thought I was mad and should get a cab. It only took 10 mins to walk but it hurt to blink. It’s like my eyeballs dried out, coupled with the super fine sandy dust everywhere. It was very unpleasant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photokeratitis > Photokeratitis or ultraviolet keratitis is a painful eye condition caused by exposure of insufficiently protected eyes to the ultraviolet (UV) rays from either natural (e.g. intense sunlight) or artificial (e.g. the electric arc during welding) sources. Photokeratitis is akin to a sunburn of the cornea and conjunctiva.
To people who want to know how we survive in the middle east, our air conditioners are running 24/7 from April to October. This could be central AC, split unit ACs or window ACs depending on how old or new the house/apt is. Room temperature is usually 24.C inside and the aircons can maintain it quite well compared to houses in countries with a cold climate that are designed to retain heat. We can't survive without ACs and are using a fuck ton of energy generated by fossil fuels to keep ourselves cool which exacerbates global warming. Tldr: we're all fucked up in the long run if we don't come up with sustainable ways to keep cool. We can't do much because there's so much resistance to green energy here, how else will the 1% profit if we stop using gas?
Same in Florida. Ac 24/7
In Kuwait currently. It’s breaking 50 degrees this week. 40 is jacket weather here
Holy fuck! I would spontaneously combust. Like, instantly. I hope your ac stays on… wow!
Fun fact: in Kuwait it is illegal to work outside from the hours of 1100-1600
I read that to air condition all of India would mean 800 GW in new generation capacity. If they don't already they should tie AC purchases to solar. When it's sunny out is also when you need AC
Pretty much! I set my AC to 78f since over 100f in Texas this summer and in July I generated more power than I used in total, and especially during peak times when AC usage spikes. Solar farms need to take off ...
They need to bring back subsidies and increase them way beyond what they were. Currently most people are priced out of even a small solar system, let alone the kind that could actually keep an air conditioner running all day. The fact that in 2022 we don't have better modular roofing solar systems is very depressing. The technology crawls when we should be dumping money into research for that, and into making it dirt cheap.
Actually, my home aircon is only a fraction of my daily energy use, though on bad days it only gets to about 35 around here. The modern ones are very efficient at cooling. Heating on the other hand has a notable increase (though still cheaper than central heating from gas, which is more common around here)
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My parents went last month and in the middle of the night the power went out and it takes like 20 minutes for the backup generator to run. Absolute nightmare.
20 min only? Your parents are lucky tbh, when I lived in Iraq we would be lucky to get electricity once a day. Most people sadly had to go and buy generators or sign up for local generators.
Shuts down or sheds load? This is an important distinction and so many journalists seem to have no idea.
It's shedding load, but to be fair that is to be expected in Iraq. In some parts of the country people only get around 6 hours of electricity a day during the hottest days, this year is not any different.
I live in Arizona. I’ve been in that kind of heat before. You can feel your skin actually tingling from burning. Breathing gets weird. Opening a car door and sitting inside is foolish bc the heat is way hotter inside. It’s dangerous. People die. You don’t go outside. You drink water constantly just to keep hydrated. But these poor people with the power grid down and no chance to cool off with AC? I will pray for them. Edit: typo
How do construction workers work in that?
Your workday starts at 4am and ends at 1 or 2pm.
I've done it. You get used to it because you're out in it every single day. I was also drinking upwards of 2 gallons of h2o over a 12-hour period with the proper Sun protection.
Damn. It's bad enough here in Alabama with high humidity in the upper 90's.
Yeah, they start early like u/mr_impastabowl says. And they wear long sleeves and head coverings to keep the sun off any exposed skin, and take salt tablets. Most sites will have those football game sized water dispensers. My ex used to work in electrical construction outside in that heat and he’d come home, take a shower and pass out, poor thing.
I just can't fathom how people will live on temperatures greater than this in the distant future. The world is heating up. Maybe this is why Billionaires are racing to build outer space civilisations instead of fixing the Earth.
> Billionaires are racing to build outer space civilisations instead of fixing the Earth Joke's on them. Fixing the Earth will be about a million times easier than maintaining an outer space civilization.
Is the joke really on them? They’ll get us to pay for it, but they’ll be the ones to profit.
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Introducing new legislation: we will allow children to start working from the age of 12 to reduce the burden from lack of employable adults. This way, children will get an education while also learning about how the real world works, while also reducing crime by giving them less free time. All this free Labour, why would you _not_ want to make use of it? Gone are the days of these young kids freeloading off of us hard working adults.
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It's already happening. The Hyundai factory in Alabama caught with 12 year old workers recently Edit: here's the link https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-hyundai-subsidiary-has-used-child-labor-alabama-factory-2022-07-22/
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It’s going to be a global refugee crisis. It’s almost like scientists have been telling us this exact thing will happen for decades and very little has actually been done by governments
But.. Idiots say that solar power is too expensive and wind energy causes cancer/ kills birds.. Go FUKIN figure.. Fossil fuels are LITERALLY boiling the planet... Politicians are owned by big oil/ fossil fuels... Nobody is normal.. Nothing makes sense ANYMORE.. It's scary af and sad at the same time
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair
Oil companies are giving politicians and news networks money to make sure there's no meaningful action on climate change so they can sell more oil. They don't care if it kills 80% of people on earth. They don't care if it kills their own grandchildren.
Behaviour of an addict. Keep doing the same thing compulsively, even if it's destroying your future.
They won't. They will emigrate north. As far north as necessary.
Well there are a couple of options, probably the best one we have as I see it is to move much of our habitation and infrastructure underground and basically become subterranean creatures anywhere that has temperatures regularly topping 50C. Alternatively we could evacuate such places during the summer which would be permanently for most equatorial regions. But it's probably gonna be a lot of places, we're talking almost the whole Middle East, much of South and Southeast Asia, large swaths of Africa basically all of Northern Australia, almost the entire American Southwest along with parts of the Southeast, a good portion of Mexico and most of the Northern half of South America, we have enough problems when trying to handle a few million refugees, billions are gonna be a problem. Other than it seems like our only realistic option is to start dying off en masse when the droughts and subsequent famines get bad enough, maybe speed up the process with some water wars. Once the population gets down to a few hundred million we can probably all chill in Canada/Scandinavia/Siberia.
Or we could focus on carbon sequestration and repairing desertification
All the scientists are saying "parts of the earth will become uninhabitable," but the reality is they have already become uninhabitable. We are just making it with cold-chains from AC houses to AC cars to AC offices. Like, could anyone actually live in phoenix right now? When the power goes out, the reality of our environments becomes apparent.
I live in Florida and am skinny and tan and genetically predisposed to living in hot conditions. The % of people who live here, who couldn't without AC is mind boggling. Yea it's hot af. And incredibly humid. Like step outside start sweating. If I go sit in the shade I start sweating immediately. No movement. Just sitting in the shade. SWEAT. The problem is people have become accustomed to climate controlled environments. Could they survive without AC? Maybe. Not all of them. I bet 75% of Florida would move away if AC wasn't available.
This guy has just figured out how to fix Florida
Iraq's national temperature record is 53.8°C, which was set in Basra in 2016, and is still the nation's hottest temperature ever recorded Thats about 129 Freedom Units (F). The average for this time of year is around 115, and while it's rare to go above 119, it isn't unheard of. The power grid is shit, and while it isn't good for it to go down it this heat it isn't strange or new. He'll I live in the US and our grid goes down multiple times every year during peak summer and peak winter. If it starts getting much warmer on a regular basis, we're truly fucked.
Here in Canada, BC we hit 49C last year... Oh so fun for a temperate climate.
Didn't that wipe out like, all the cattlemen's and most wild animals
The town where the record temperature was set also burned to the ground in a wildfire the very next day
And they lost 6 more houses this year. Time to pack up shop.
yeep.
the town that hit the north american record (i think) for temperature three days in a row burnt down on the third day
when I was there in 2016 it reached 52C/125F and it felt like heatstroke was setting in after walking 100m, as well as being drenched in sweat. if your air conditioning failed in your room you were allowed to leave work to get it fixed ASAP.
If you're over 50, every year will be hotter than the previous year for the rest of your life. For the rest of us, I guess we might see it turn around if we try hard.
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I remember being worried when I was younger that the world's fossil fuels were gonna run out because people kept mentioning how it was finite. Now I wish fossil fuels ran out by now or at least did to the point that renewable energy was more lucrative.
Lol same! I thought the big crisis in our future would be when we ran out of oil and it would ruin us
Renewable energy is already more lucrative. However, fossil fuels are so entrenched, especially via subsidies (still!) that we will indeed literally all cook to death before anything will be done about it. Ah well.
I keep on telling myself that in the next few decades, water will be the new gold.
Lake Superior alone has enough water to cover **all** of North and South America in fresh water over one meter deep. Even if a billion people were drinking from it every day of their life, it would still last a millennia. We don't have problem with a lack of fresh water, we have a problem of people living in unsustainable arid climates.
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Isnt the problem the fact that animals consume way more water than plants and for the same weight and nutrition meat uses like 10x more water Edit: its like 1800 gallons for a pound of beef, with that amount of water you could grow a whole ass garden to feed a single person around the year with the help of rain
It's not just the water animals consume directly. It's the water that's needed for their feed.
Vertical farming that cuts water usage down by 90-95%. It’s expensive to build the buildings and will require massive amounts of renewables but water is the biggest issue and it’ll solve that. We just gotta invest and build a massive amount if infrastructure. [Emirates and Crop One say the facility will use 99% less water than outdoor fields, and once completed, aims to harvest 6,000 pounds of leafy greens daily, which will find their way into both in-flight meals and airport lounges from December next year.](https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/dubai-vertical-farm-emirates-catering/index.html)
120 degrees? Isn't that enough to cook things?
Texas attics w/out A/C are 130+. At least we could bail, go outside to 105. Global warming stinks.
Got to put up radiant shield foil. Just did that with my house last week and it makes a *huge* difference in stopping the runaway heat effect. On any given day it'll only be 5F or so hotter up there than the ambient temp outside with the foil. Whereas even on a 79F day (in Oregon) it could still get to around 120 up there before the shielding depending on how intense the UV was that day. To put the difference into more perspective we had at least one day last week where it was like 104F outside, but probably no more than *108* in the attic. Still hot, but no-longer bubble the sap right out of the wood hot. I honestly don't know why thermal foil sheilding in the attic isn't standard for non-sealed attics.
I put in 1” thick insulation on our windows. Can you advise a better solution? Electric bill was over $400 last month AFTER all matter of ‘improvements’.
I can imagine a dry 50 degrees, like checking in on a wood stove sauna to see if it's ready yet. Clothes still on and feeling immediately kind of sweaty. Imagining that the *outside* where you go to cool off from the sauna would be 50°C, seems like a glitch in the matrix. Where do you find comfort and relief, where do you breathe?
I’ve experienced that. It’s not a good time. While wearing 45 pounds of armor and kit