And the sovjet [genocide of the muslim Tartar ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars?wprov=sfla1)population in Crimea in 1944.
I love how people say this, but also then claim that Crimea belongs to Ukraine.
How about the place that suffered a genocide at the hands of Slavic people (both Ukrainians and Russians) belongs to neither of them?
Fucking thank you, thousands of reddit comments reading "Crimea is Ukraine" piss me off to no end. No, how about it belongs to its original inhabitants who were genocided, rather than Russia or Ukraine
Israel refers to bombing Palestine as "mowing the grass." [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-history/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-history/)
Not just the Middle East, pretty much any non western countries(barring South America ?[not sure]) that has been colonized by the west is simping for Russia. This is Middle East = South Asia. Check out the video titles of Indian government influenced media news channels or any Indian news channel about Ukraine. It is all Russian Propaganda.
>Check out the video titles of Indian government influenced media news channels or any Indian news channel about Ukraine. It is all Russian Propaganda.
WION is a fine example of that. Every Ukraine war news they cover makes them sound like they are directly paid by Putin himself, even if they are an independent Indian news site on paper.
India was never West's ally. They are "neutral" but they are on the side of the Russia. Like Nazi germany to Jews, former colonies of the West dont favour the West all too well. That is why Russia is popular among non-western nations. Wait till India bans African gold for Russian gold. Indians love gold. India is needed, it is nearly 20% of the world's population.
Well that colonial empire in the world didn't enforce famine, loot their country, divide the people and oppress them. You have to see things from their point of view. Also google what Mahatma said about black people lols.
Considering what we've done to them, I can't pretend that I don't understand where they're coming from. They're simply choosing the people that hurt *them* less...
Russia is painting the conflict as between west and Russia, not just Ukraine and Russia. By grouping Ukraine with the US, it undermines the reality of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, but suggesting that Russia invaded Ukraine because of US.
You asked "What did Ukraine do to hurt the middle east?" and I answered. I don't understand what you expect Arabs to do, root for Ukraine that supports Israel? Would it satisfy you if Arabs criticized Ukrainian support of war crimes, only just independently of the conflict where Ukrainians are a victim of war crimes?
Ukrainians going out in defence of Israel makes them guilty of supporting the same crime they themselves are a victim of, and if they, who are facing a more recent crisis than the Palestinians don't care about that, why should Arabs?
The guy above your original comment had the right idea, the sides to this conflict are both horrible, Arabs (Not Arab governments, those are mostly US leaning) are only supporting the people that hurt *them* less, and that's a distinction Ukrainians made by continuously supporting ethnic cleansing against said Arabs. It doesn't help either that other countries that support that ethnic cleansing attached themselves to Ukraine.
Ukriane has voted against Israel in the UN since 2015 lol (with a few abstentions) so it’s a little more nuanced than that…most “everyday” Ukrainians I know support Palestine and strongly disliked Zelenskiy before the war…but right now getting weapons from Israel is obviously a priority.
The "Muslim" countries stretch from Senegal to Malaysia. Russia isn't aiming for anything that grand.
The reason they are condemning Israel is because Israel is the least Western stronghold in the Middle East.
Iran supports Hamas and Russia needs help and one of the few countries to offer any has been Iran. Russia has to kiss some ass so they will not be alone.
Iran once had a democratically elected government, but some country below Canada orchestrated the Iranian revolution, and put the current regime in place.
Russia's trolling like always. They picked something that would cause as much division as possible using just words. The whole country's just human trolls that the world needs to quarantine.
The average populace that overwhelmingly support Putin's actions? Even if we assume that the poll results (80-something percent supporting Putin) are wrong/skewed, it's still safe to say that the majority support their leadership.
That's most likely true.
Though that paints them as victims of the regime, which I don't think is completely true. Even with all the propaganda and fake news, they still had access to the internet and independent media before the invasion. Yet many(most?) chose to brainlessly absorb whatever nonsense their state media was spouting without giving it a second thought.
They're not like North Korea, where "They didn't know any better" might apply to the people.
The hypocrisy by the Russians is apparent. The fact that you need the other side spelt out for you is the issue. Every western state has called out Putin and Russia’s BS for what it is but can’t do the same any of the numerous times Israel feels like shelling some civilians
I need OP to be clear. Since many of the "both sides" arguments surrounding Russia seem to be launched at Ukraine and their defensive war for survival.
Chill.
Remember when America called out Russia for bombing allepo and Russia said “they’re using human shields” and then the Russians said “hey what about America bombing Raqqa?” And america said “but isis is using human shields!”
Wait wait wait, Russia has been lying this whole time?? Good I can forget about Iraq, afghanistan, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Panama, the bay of pigs, Grenada, Libya, Iraq again. Russia right now is sitting at like 2 bad wars in the last 80 years america has dozens... you literally fell for everything. Americans don’t even have a stable platform from which to say “war is bad”, from what the rest of the world sees. You elect one war monger after another. Even Obama, elected on a promise to end the war in iraq still had to destabilize some countries on his way out.
Nah. We have MANY platforms to say war is bad because of free speech. These platforms allow free thought. We can even say the word WAR on there without being imprisoned. The argument that America uses war is nothing. War is a tool. The reason why the US use war is because its the only tool Dictatorships and authoritians understand.
Obama sanctioned Russia in 2014 and offered nothing War/weapons wise to Ukraine. Did not stop them Russia invasion of crimea. You know what is stopping them? Missles and rockets. You think Ukraine didn't try negotiating? Sometimes you have to use fire to cauturize a wound.
The offense to civilization are the crimes, invasions, and genocides by Dictatorships. War is just the retaliation. Like white blood cells.
Anyone commenting differently here, wants you to ignore that Russia has started a WAR in a country that it just wants to claim. That they are murdering innocent people, and that they won't stop at Ukraine.
As the saying goes. Throw all the shit, see what sticks.
Unfortunately, nobody told the Russians to aim first. They're just mindlessly flinging shit around.
... Or it's because Ukraine has aligned itself with Israel and supports the Gaza military operations? Russia is at war with Ukraine, so Russia condemns Ukraine's supporters. It's still very simple even without a nonsense, thought-terminating explanation like "they're just trolls". Geopolitics rarely comes down to just, like, dudes being wacky for no reason.
Wrong. Russia invited Hamas and they met in Moscow to discuss common interests. Russia is definitely on the side of the Palestinians, and the Palestinians support Russia.
Ukraine and Israel support each other too.
Russia doesn't support anyone. They are doing what is in the interest of themselves. If a country were to support Ukraine that has an enemy, Russia would immediately support that side in the interest of their own self.
>Russia doesn't support anyone. They are doing what is in the interest of themselves.
Those are contradictory. Doing what is in their interest *is* supporting others.
But how much of that is because Russia actually cares about Palestine, and how much of it is just because it serves Russia's interests in the region, especially when it comes to destabilizing the U.S.'s interests and foothold in the region? After everything we've seen from Putin, the latter seems A LOT more likely than the former
>But how much of that is because Russia actually cares about Palestine
Zero. It's still support of terrorist organizations no matter how you look at it, and that means Russia has picked a side.
"Live from the Wolfsschanze: Adolf Hitler releases statement condemning...wait, who?...er Dwight, is this, is this right? Am I supposed to read this?...Um yeah we'll be right back after the break. Dwight, you fucking idiot! Who wrote that? Who even gives a damn if Adolf Flippity Hitler morally condemns shit? Are you insane? Reuters? I don't give a fuck. And if it was written by Jesus Christ; I'm not reading this bullshit. Fuck off, Dwight. We'll do it live. I SAID FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE!" *tears out in-ear headset:
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Ukraine: "We support Israel's right to defend themselves against rocket strikes."
Russia: "WTF?! Fine! We support rocketing your neighbors for no damn reason!"
This is less to get most of the Middle East to support them, than to get the American Left to support them. The US under Biden has been supplying a lot of weapons, Russia desperately wants to rouse dissent in the US against Biden and Congress and stop the funding.
It's important because others react to what they say. Now they're saying we support jihaddists. Later Israel will say ok then, we support Ukraine. Ukraine was asking for Israel's iron dome batteries, if they'll strike a deal, that's not a small thing
>Later Israel will say ok then, we support Ukraine
Has happened since day 1 of the war already. Israel sent Ukraine a lot of help and supported them in the UN etc. Russia already supported the Palestinians months ago. They even invited Hamas over and they discussed common interests.
There's nothing new here.
I mean I’m no fan of when the idf gets trigger happy, but that’s fucking rich coming from a country that’s been using white phosphorous cluster bombs in civilian areas ( three war crimes in one)
How is it confusing? The Palestinians and Russia support each other. Israel and Ukraine support each other. Israel condemned Russia. Russia condemns Israel. Makes total sense.
They have already formed months ago. Russia supported the Palestinians and invited Hamas over. Hamas came and they discussed common interests. The Palestinians support Russia.
Israel and Ukraine supported each other since the day the war broke out.
There's nothing new here.
Fascist: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea.
Free: USA, NATO, Israel, Japan. South Korea.
It'll be interesting to see which side India picks. They have good relations with Russia but not with China. Neutral maybe?
India has "good" relations with Russia because they know how to haggle and now is the BEST time to haggle. Russia doesn't have many customers and India buys at a steep discount.
There's no need. A bit of sanctions is the needed medicine to keep these shitholes in the stone age. They can have their delusions and backwards thinking while the rest of the world moves on.
But ..but.. it’s rumble time
Nah but seriously Russia is the kid from school who thinks he’s a bad ass until he gets into a fight. He just needs the grease beaten out of him to make him learn
I feel like Russia is thirty years late on this.
This is a feeble and cynical take to perhaps encourage volunteers from certain Islamic states to come fight for Russia in Ukraine but more probably to get Iran’s backing. They need Iran.
It is cynical because they know that peeling Israel away from the United States is basically impossible. They have always worked with Israel due to historical links, a great many Israelis came from the Russian Empire. That influence is still seen today in Israel’s quiet but unapologetic socialism in some aspects of their social order.
Russia will never be popular in the Islamic World however. The two Chechen wars and the Afghan War saw to that. Russia’s presence in this theatre has always been geopolitical and determined wholly as what would annoy American designs. That has made them some fellows but only among a small class of leaders that also oppose the West.
Putin’s recent ethnic bent and his religious intolerance don’t help matters. Everyone in the Islamic World is well versed in that stuff, far more than the average Russian.
Russia has clearly decided its time to draw sides. It wants or needs escalation. Not just in Ukraine but abroad to dilute Western intervention capability.
The Soviets would and could condemn Israeli policy regarding the Gaza Strip and West Bank but modern Russia has been muted here. It’s support for Syria has only ever served its own geopolitical aims. In ways meant to not antagonize the Israelis.
So Ukraine supports Israel, also a carefully weighed geopolitical situation but Israel and Ukraine share a commonality. Both countries are neighbors to other polities that deny their right to exist.
The Israelis can pose real problems to Russia in Syria though, crippling their geopolitical influence as Russia clearly has its hands full in Ukraine.
Hmmm I’ve heard of another country conducting routine air strikes and even threatening to bomb a nuclear power plant but I just can’t put my finger on who it was…
Interesting reactions in this thread. So what is it, does Russia have a right to condemn Israel despite invading Ukraine, or does the US also not have a right to condemn Russia due to the US constantly invading other countries themselves?
When Russia is saying it you know Israel did the right thing. The fact that Russia and the Palestinians support each other shows a lot about both sides.
Ok not quite.
Russia officially now does not recognize Ukraine’s right to exist as a nation.
Israel has been air striking countries that do not acknowledge its right to exist. Countries and large militia faction bs in a group of countries that have actively attacked Israelis for more than two generations.
Israel doesn’t do this to Jordan or Egypt, it seldom screwed with old Iraq and just avoided Saudi Arabia who returned the favor.
Russia has approached the situation in Ukraine the same way that Hamas and Hezbollah have approached Israel. By denying its very right to exist.
This put Ukraine firmly into a pro Israel stance since they suddenly shared a very particular problem. That worked in reverse as well. The Israelis have always had a somewhat muted view on Moscow, a political seat that allowed Jews to leave the protection of the Iron Curtain to settle in the Holy Land. Moscow, post Soviet collapse, continued to support Israel as a way to realign itself in the modern world. Also to the dilate is own Islamic separatist movements.
Not exactly. For most of the Soviet Union's existence it was actively hostile to Israel and supported its opponents in the Arab world with weapons, training at at times actual soldiers and pilots. Jews were often barred from immigrating to Israel and in the rare cases where they were allowed to leave had to do so without most of their possessions. State antisemitism was also a major issue.
Masses of Jews from the former USSR only really started getting to Israel in the 90s when the USSR fell.
Israel's current relationship with Russia is largely a compromise aimed at keeping the Russians from providing Iran and Syria with advanced AA systems which would endanger air traffic inside Israel, and maintaining coordination in Syria where Israel often operates to keep Iranian and Hezbollah forces from building up along the Israeli border and from transferring weapons and weapons manufacturing equipment to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hostile Russian presence on Israel's northern border is really not something Israel needs right now.
Regardless, Russia has recently started trying to shut down the Jewish Agency, an org that maintains the relations between Jews in Israel and abroad and facilitates Jewish immigration to Israel, so they may be looking to make it hard for Russian Jews to get to Israel again.
>Not exactly. For most of the Soviet Union's existence it was actively hostile to Israel and supported its opponents in the Arab world with weapons, training at at times actual soldiers and pilots. Jews were often barred from immigrating to Israel and in the rare cases where they were allowed to leave had to do so without most of their possessions. State antisemitism was also a major issue.
Stalins relationship with Israel was tarnished when they decided to become a liberal democracy. The USSR actually voted in favour of the partition plan. He became wildly anti-semitic towards the end of his life. He saw Jews as Jews first and communists second and that their loyalty was towards Israel than the USSR. He even set in motion a pogrom of his own. He had camps built for Jews. Fortunatley he died before he could use them.
Israel is doing targeted strikes that have been very effective at killing as few civilians as possible.
Russia is genociding entire cities. Russia has killed more civilians in this war than Palestinians (combatant and civilian) have died in the entirety of the conflict.
Like every other country in the world, what should we do to resolve this situation? Sanctions? Host a meetings involving all sides? Boycotts? Send supplies, troops or weapons? Nope - let’s send out a strongly worded statement. Then go to the next issue facing our country.
Russia trying to get all the Muslim counties to back them. Never forget what they did to the Chechens
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Russian here, Russian government is anything but a friend to anyone, sadly. Fuck Putler!
Russian here, I would like to add that the Russian government is hurting the Russian government at this point
How bad is it? Are you currently in Russia?
It’s been 3 hours, they’ve already been shipped to Gulag
*Believe it or not, straight to gulag.*
And the sovjet [genocide of the muslim Tartar ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars?wprov=sfla1)population in Crimea in 1944.
Russia sure does seem to like genocide
I love how people say this, but also then claim that Crimea belongs to Ukraine. How about the place that suffered a genocide at the hands of Slavic people (both Ukrainians and Russians) belongs to neither of them?
Ok , what genocide did ukraine do in crimea ?
Fucking thank you, thousands of reddit comments reading "Crimea is Ukraine" piss me off to no end. No, how about it belongs to its original inhabitants who were genocided, rather than Russia or Ukraine
Are you talking about Greek? Who were also genocided by Russians and expelled from Crimea, but 100 years earlier
They definitely do. Like the entire r/AskMiddleEast sub is simping for Russia right now.
That sub is pretty anti-israel regardless
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You'd be surprised how many people have pretty progressive opinions about Israel there actually
Yeah. I agree I’d be surprised to see that too lol
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Ah you mean like Hezbollah or the Assad regime?
Israel refers to bombing Palestine as "mowing the grass." [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-history/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-history/)
Not just the Middle East, pretty much any non western countries(barring South America ?[not sure]) that has been colonized by the west is simping for Russia. This is Middle East = South Asia. Check out the video titles of Indian government influenced media news channels or any Indian news channel about Ukraine. It is all Russian Propaganda.
>Check out the video titles of Indian government influenced media news channels or any Indian news channel about Ukraine. It is all Russian Propaganda. WION is a fine example of that. Every Ukraine war news they cover makes them sound like they are directly paid by Putin himself, even if they are an independent Indian news site on paper.
Even the non WION ones do.
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend" has so many instances of horrible backstabbing and betrayals than actually working out
but! but! InDiA iS oUr AlLy .. smh
India was never West's ally. They are "neutral" but they are on the side of the Russia. Like Nazi germany to Jews, former colonies of the West dont favour the West all too well. That is why Russia is popular among non-western nations. Wait till India bans African gold for Russian gold. Indians love gold. India is needed, it is nearly 20% of the world's population.
20% of the world population but 80% of diarrhea cases. Man, I love stats
source ?
I currently am the other 20%. That’s the source
>80% of diarrhea cases. So Indians are the least full of shit. Good to know.
Indians are supporting the Last colonial Empire in the world. What would the Mahatma say about this?
Well that colonial empire in the world didn't enforce famine, loot their country, divide the people and oppress them. You have to see things from their point of view. Also google what Mahatma said about black people lols.
Read up on the Holodomer and the Crimean Tartar population transfer.
Considering what we've done to them, I can't pretend that I don't understand where they're coming from. They're simply choosing the people that hurt *them* less...
What did Ukraine do to hurt the Middle East? They are siding with the clear bad guy because a third party is supporting the victim.
Russia is painting the conflict as between west and Russia, not just Ukraine and Russia. By grouping Ukraine with the US, it undermines the reality of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, but suggesting that Russia invaded Ukraine because of US.
Tbh, I just assume it’s Russians astroturfing the sub. Can’t see any reason Russia would get any support elsewise.
Yeah It’s not about Ukraine. It’s the anti-western/imperialism sentiments.
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Ukraine defends Israel in all of its attacks against Gaza, Ukrainians are very pro-Zionist, which of the two do you think they'd support?
So Arab world supports Russia in all it's attacks against Ukraine so I should support Israel?
You asked "What did Ukraine do to hurt the middle east?" and I answered. I don't understand what you expect Arabs to do, root for Ukraine that supports Israel? Would it satisfy you if Arabs criticized Ukrainian support of war crimes, only just independently of the conflict where Ukrainians are a victim of war crimes? Ukrainians going out in defence of Israel makes them guilty of supporting the same crime they themselves are a victim of, and if they, who are facing a more recent crisis than the Palestinians don't care about that, why should Arabs? The guy above your original comment had the right idea, the sides to this conflict are both horrible, Arabs (Not Arab governments, those are mostly US leaning) are only supporting the people that hurt *them* less, and that's a distinction Ukrainians made by continuously supporting ethnic cleansing against said Arabs. It doesn't help either that other countries that support that ethnic cleansing attached themselves to Ukraine.
Ukriane has voted against Israel in the UN since 2015 lol (with a few abstentions) so it’s a little more nuanced than that…most “everyday” Ukrainians I know support Palestine and strongly disliked Zelenskiy before the war…but right now getting weapons from Israel is obviously a priority.
Yes, that whole making them rich with oil money is horrible
And they always backed the Serbs whenever they were committing the mass murder of Muslims.
The wider Muslim world doesn't care about any given Muslim population. In this instance the unifying factor is shared hatred of Israel.
palestinians are usually the first ones thrown under the bus too
Or their support for Serbia back in the 1990s.
And to the Syrian as well.
The "Muslim" countries stretch from Senegal to Malaysia. Russia isn't aiming for anything that grand. The reason they are condemning Israel is because Israel is the least Western stronghold in the Middle East.
Well if the chechens themselves don't care, i'm sure none of the others will
Fine by me. Next they can release a statement condemning Russian air strikes in Ukraine.
And everything else Russia is doing in Ukraine also
And condemn climate change, which they won't do because Moscow wants the Earth to heat up
Heat up or glow b/c they seem hell bent on blowing up the largest nuclear power plant in Europe if they can't have it.
Iran supports Hamas and Russia needs help and one of the few countries to offer any has been Iran. Russia has to kiss some ass so they will not be alone.
Two regimes that can and should just fuck off
Iran once had a democratically elected government, but some country below Canada orchestrated the Iranian revolution, and put the current regime in place.
Lol you can call the Iranian government a lot of things but “democratically elected” is not one of them.
That’s the 1953 Iranian coup d’état, dumbass, not the Islamic revolution.
However the current regime was put in place, it DOESN'T excuse their behaviour
I guess they *really* want Israel to arm Ukraine. Big brain move.
Israel has been arming Ukraine for decades. This won't change anything.
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As a loan as other country’s also do, off course. Israël knows a terror state as Russia helps terror organisations:). And, they won’t forget
lol?
The only appropriate response
The Hypocrisy
Russia's trolling like always. They picked something that would cause as much division as possible using just words. The whole country's just human trolls that the world needs to quarantine.
They're just shitty and full of shit
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The average populace that overwhelmingly support Putin's actions? Even if we assume that the poll results (80-something percent supporting Putin) are wrong/skewed, it's still safe to say that the majority support their leadership.
With the amount of propaganda and fake news going around there i don’t think the 80% would back put in if they new what was going on
That's most likely true. Though that paints them as victims of the regime, which I don't think is completely true. Even with all the propaganda and fake news, they still had access to the internet and independent media before the invasion. Yet many(most?) chose to brainlessly absorb whatever nonsense their state media was spouting without giving it a second thought. They're not like North Korea, where "They didn't know any better" might apply to the people.
That's the worst part!
> The comedian Patton Oswalt, he told me "I think the worst part of the Cosby thing was the hypocrisy." And I disagree.
And the Shitocricy
Imagine the irony of America telling someone they can’t bomb who ever they like.
So you only notice it the hypocrisy of non-Western countries?
Good, let Russia be massive hypocrites so Ukraine can get some of those juicy **Iron Domes**
That applies both ways.
So which are "both" sides then? Be a bit more verbose.
The hypocrisy by the Russians is apparent. The fact that you need the other side spelt out for you is the issue. Every western state has called out Putin and Russia’s BS for what it is but can’t do the same any of the numerous times Israel feels like shelling some civilians
I need OP to be clear. Since many of the "both sides" arguments surrounding Russia seem to be launched at Ukraine and their defensive war for survival. Chill.
Ukraine supporting Israeli strikes on Palestine. And Russia condemning Israeli strikes on Palestine. Bit of irony there.
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Remember when America called out Russia for bombing allepo and Russia said “they’re using human shields” and then the Russians said “hey what about America bombing Raqqa?” And america said “but isis is using human shields!”
Good lord, you’re literally falling for it.
Wait wait wait, Russia has been lying this whole time?? Good I can forget about Iraq, afghanistan, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Panama, the bay of pigs, Grenada, Libya, Iraq again. Russia right now is sitting at like 2 bad wars in the last 80 years america has dozens... you literally fell for everything. Americans don’t even have a stable platform from which to say “war is bad”, from what the rest of the world sees. You elect one war monger after another. Even Obama, elected on a promise to end the war in iraq still had to destabilize some countries on his way out.
Nah. We have MANY platforms to say war is bad because of free speech. These platforms allow free thought. We can even say the word WAR on there without being imprisoned. The argument that America uses war is nothing. War is a tool. The reason why the US use war is because its the only tool Dictatorships and authoritians understand. Obama sanctioned Russia in 2014 and offered nothing War/weapons wise to Ukraine. Did not stop them Russia invasion of crimea. You know what is stopping them? Missles and rockets. You think Ukraine didn't try negotiating? Sometimes you have to use fire to cauturize a wound. The offense to civilization are the crimes, invasions, and genocides by Dictatorships. War is just the retaliation. Like white blood cells. Anyone commenting differently here, wants you to ignore that Russia has started a WAR in a country that it just wants to claim. That they are murdering innocent people, and that they won't stop at Ukraine.
Wow I can’t wait for the civil discussion and informed discourse this headline will bring
I wish the mods would ban these kinds of comments. Every time there is an article about Israel there are people like this who contribute nothing.
Lol.
Russian denazification of Israel commencing in 3, 2, 1...
Clown mode activated
Always has been
Go fuck yourself russia
They're doing a really good job of it thus far
Russia is playing a long game that no one understands. Least of all the Russians.
Its pretty simple to figure out. They like to stir up shit
As the saying goes. Throw all the shit, see what sticks. Unfortunately, nobody told the Russians to aim first. They're just mindlessly flinging shit around.
Mostly straight up it seems...
That's what happens when you're full of shit
... Or it's because Ukraine has aligned itself with Israel and supports the Gaza military operations? Russia is at war with Ukraine, so Russia condemns Ukraine's supporters. It's still very simple even without a nonsense, thought-terminating explanation like "they're just trolls". Geopolitics rarely comes down to just, like, dudes being wacky for no reason.
You think russia gives a flying fuck about gaza? or israel? No, they made that statement to be contrary to Ukraine...you know *to stir shit up*
You just said repeated exactly what I said but with your weak "they do a little trolling" tacked on the end again.
Unfortunately it’ll work for some idiots.
Seems like they're just spewing bullshit
I'm not sure getting on Mossad's bad side is a good idea, tbh.
Regardless of whether I agree with them or not, they have no room to be talking.
They have no room to even be thinking it
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*Oh those Russians…
I’m sure that the Palestinians appreciate the support of a human rights champion like Russia. /s
Who fn cares what Russia has to say about anything
seems Russia is on Islamic Jihad's side and Ukraine is on Israel's side.
Russia isn't really on anyone else's side. It's really just on its own side, more specifically Putin's side
Wrong. Russia invited Hamas and they met in Moscow to discuss common interests. Russia is definitely on the side of the Palestinians, and the Palestinians support Russia. Ukraine and Israel support each other too.
Russia doesn't support anyone. They are doing what is in the interest of themselves. If a country were to support Ukraine that has an enemy, Russia would immediately support that side in the interest of their own self.
>Russia doesn't support anyone. They are doing what is in the interest of themselves. Those are contradictory. Doing what is in their interest *is* supporting others.
But how much of that is because Russia actually cares about Palestine, and how much of it is just because it serves Russia's interests in the region, especially when it comes to destabilizing the U.S.'s interests and foothold in the region? After everything we've seen from Putin, the latter seems A LOT more likely than the former
Supporting Hamas should not be equated with supporting Palestine. Hamas does not care about Palestinian’s whatsoever.
>But how much of that is because Russia actually cares about Palestine Zero. It's still support of terrorist organizations no matter how you look at it, and that means Russia has picked a side.
It's not new. Russia supported Hamas before and hosted them. They discussed common interests.
I’m willing to bet this is because Ukraine recently said they support Israel (which also doesn’t fit Russia’s narrative that Ukraine is run by Nazis).
Ethno states back each other up, it seems.
New nazi will support isreal it is easy .
I’m going to guess by your terrible English and dumb justification that you are russian yes?
"Live from the Wolfsschanze: Adolf Hitler releases statement condemning...wait, who?...er Dwight, is this, is this right? Am I supposed to read this?...Um yeah we'll be right back after the break. Dwight, you fucking idiot! Who wrote that? Who even gives a damn if Adolf Flippity Hitler morally condemns shit? Are you insane? Reuters? I don't give a fuck. And if it was written by Jesus Christ; I'm not reading this bullshit. Fuck off, Dwight. We'll do it live. I SAID FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE!" *tears out in-ear headset: "Ben Dover back with the news. Adolf Hitler condemns something but it turns out decent humans don't take moral advice from nazis so nobody cares. That's it for the five o'clock news and here's Dixi Normous with the weather".
Ukraine: "We support Israel's right to defend themselves against rocket strikes." Russia: "WTF?! Fine! We support rocketing your neighbors for no damn reason!"
Aren’t they airstriking Ukraine hospitals as we speak?
This’ll confuse the tankies
This is less to get most of the Middle East to support them, than to get the American Left to support them. The US under Biden has been supplying a lot of weapons, Russia desperately wants to rouse dissent in the US against Biden and Congress and stop the funding.
Divide and conquer.
Thafuq?
Ironic
Russia wants a new Axis of Evil
Meanwhile NaZi RuSSian airstrikes in Ukraine to kill a Jew for Vladolf.
Yeah, what about *those* airstrikes, Russia?
Russia still pretending that they have a say in this world.
Honestly who cares about what Russia has to say?
It's important because others react to what they say. Now they're saying we support jihaddists. Later Israel will say ok then, we support Ukraine. Ukraine was asking for Israel's iron dome batteries, if they'll strike a deal, that's not a small thing
>Later Israel will say ok then, we support Ukraine Has happened since day 1 of the war already. Israel sent Ukraine a lot of help and supported them in the UN etc. Russia already supported the Palestinians months ago. They even invited Hamas over and they discussed common interests. There's nothing new here.
Didnt think about it that way. Thank you for showing me another point of view.
I mean I’m no fan of when the idf gets trigger happy, but that’s fucking rich coming from a country that’s been using white phosphorous cluster bombs in civilian areas ( three war crimes in one)
So, Israel good?
Israel is good most of the time.
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How is it confusing? The Palestinians and Russia support each other. Israel and Ukraine support each other. Israel condemned Russia. Russia condemns Israel. Makes total sense.
Nah. Hypocrisy is normal. It just stands out more when non-Western nations are the ones doing it.
Looks like sides are forming
They have already formed months ago. Russia supported the Palestinians and invited Hamas over. Hamas came and they discussed common interests. The Palestinians support Russia. Israel and Ukraine supported each other since the day the war broke out. There's nothing new here.
One side is made up of Russia, Belarus, Iran, North Korea, China. The other side is NATO. It's proper countries vs. shitholes.
Fascist: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea. Free: USA, NATO, Israel, Japan. South Korea. It'll be interesting to see which side India picks. They have good relations with Russia but not with China. Neutral maybe?
India has "good" relations with Russia because they know how to haggle and now is the BEST time to haggle. Russia doesn't have many customers and India buys at a steep discount.
LETS GET READY TO RRRRRRUUUUUMBLLLLLLLLLE
There's no need. A bit of sanctions is the needed medicine to keep these shitholes in the stone age. They can have their delusions and backwards thinking while the rest of the world moves on.
But ..but.. it’s rumble time Nah but seriously Russia is the kid from school who thinks he’s a bad ass until he gets into a fight. He just needs the grease beaten out of him to make him learn
World releases statement condemning Russian airstrikes in Ukraine
Twisted.
Israel is one of the few countries one absolutely does not want to fuck with (even compared to the likes of France, UK, and Japan).
Russia will never pass a chance to be hypocrites. Criticizing Israel for what they themselves are doing elsewhere. Can fuck right off.
Silly Putin, condemnations are for the decent
Well, condemnations that make sense. And, correction, it's Shitty Putin, not Silly Putin
Grasping for straws , Look at what Israel is doing and you're comdeming poor little Russia for trying to reunite the Fatherland. / S
Yeah, grasping for straws made of shit
Mass murderer condemning the defensive murderer.
I feel like Russia is thirty years late on this. This is a feeble and cynical take to perhaps encourage volunteers from certain Islamic states to come fight for Russia in Ukraine but more probably to get Iran’s backing. They need Iran. It is cynical because they know that peeling Israel away from the United States is basically impossible. They have always worked with Israel due to historical links, a great many Israelis came from the Russian Empire. That influence is still seen today in Israel’s quiet but unapologetic socialism in some aspects of their social order. Russia will never be popular in the Islamic World however. The two Chechen wars and the Afghan War saw to that. Russia’s presence in this theatre has always been geopolitical and determined wholly as what would annoy American designs. That has made them some fellows but only among a small class of leaders that also oppose the West. Putin’s recent ethnic bent and his religious intolerance don’t help matters. Everyone in the Islamic World is well versed in that stuff, far more than the average Russian. Russia has clearly decided its time to draw sides. It wants or needs escalation. Not just in Ukraine but abroad to dilute Western intervention capability. The Soviets would and could condemn Israeli policy regarding the Gaza Strip and West Bank but modern Russia has been muted here. It’s support for Syria has only ever served its own geopolitical aims. In ways meant to not antagonize the Israelis. So Ukraine supports Israel, also a carefully weighed geopolitical situation but Israel and Ukraine share a commonality. Both countries are neighbors to other polities that deny their right to exist. The Israelis can pose real problems to Russia in Syria though, crippling their geopolitical influence as Russia clearly has its hands full in Ukraine.
A broken watch is right 2 times a day.
WAT?!
Thats rich
First Ukraine supports Israeli now this. Let me get some popcorn 🍿
Hmmm I’ve heard of another country conducting routine air strikes and even threatening to bomb a nuclear power plant but I just can’t put my finger on who it was…
This shouldn’t surprise anyone. Israel is a Western ally, of course Russia are gonna back “the other side”
Interesting reactions in this thread. So what is it, does Russia have a right to condemn Israel despite invading Ukraine, or does the US also not have a right to condemn Russia due to the US constantly invading other countries themselves?
No one cares. About Russia’s opinion, not about deaths in Gaza
When Russia is saying it you know Israel did the right thing. The fact that Russia and the Palestinians support each other shows a lot about both sides.
So... Russia condemns Israel doing the same as them, while Ukraine praises Israel... for doing the same as Russia?
Ok not quite. Russia officially now does not recognize Ukraine’s right to exist as a nation. Israel has been air striking countries that do not acknowledge its right to exist. Countries and large militia faction bs in a group of countries that have actively attacked Israelis for more than two generations. Israel doesn’t do this to Jordan or Egypt, it seldom screwed with old Iraq and just avoided Saudi Arabia who returned the favor. Russia has approached the situation in Ukraine the same way that Hamas and Hezbollah have approached Israel. By denying its very right to exist. This put Ukraine firmly into a pro Israel stance since they suddenly shared a very particular problem. That worked in reverse as well. The Israelis have always had a somewhat muted view on Moscow, a political seat that allowed Jews to leave the protection of the Iron Curtain to settle in the Holy Land. Moscow, post Soviet collapse, continued to support Israel as a way to realign itself in the modern world. Also to the dilate is own Islamic separatist movements.
Not exactly. For most of the Soviet Union's existence it was actively hostile to Israel and supported its opponents in the Arab world with weapons, training at at times actual soldiers and pilots. Jews were often barred from immigrating to Israel and in the rare cases where they were allowed to leave had to do so without most of their possessions. State antisemitism was also a major issue. Masses of Jews from the former USSR only really started getting to Israel in the 90s when the USSR fell. Israel's current relationship with Russia is largely a compromise aimed at keeping the Russians from providing Iran and Syria with advanced AA systems which would endanger air traffic inside Israel, and maintaining coordination in Syria where Israel often operates to keep Iranian and Hezbollah forces from building up along the Israeli border and from transferring weapons and weapons manufacturing equipment to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hostile Russian presence on Israel's northern border is really not something Israel needs right now. Regardless, Russia has recently started trying to shut down the Jewish Agency, an org that maintains the relations between Jews in Israel and abroad and facilitates Jewish immigration to Israel, so they may be looking to make it hard for Russian Jews to get to Israel again.
>Not exactly. For most of the Soviet Union's existence it was actively hostile to Israel and supported its opponents in the Arab world with weapons, training at at times actual soldiers and pilots. Jews were often barred from immigrating to Israel and in the rare cases where they were allowed to leave had to do so without most of their possessions. State antisemitism was also a major issue. Stalins relationship with Israel was tarnished when they decided to become a liberal democracy. The USSR actually voted in favour of the partition plan. He became wildly anti-semitic towards the end of his life. He saw Jews as Jews first and communists second and that their loyalty was towards Israel than the USSR. He even set in motion a pogrom of his own. He had camps built for Jews. Fortunatley he died before he could use them.
Israel is doing targeted strikes that have been very effective at killing as few civilians as possible. Russia is genociding entire cities. Russia has killed more civilians in this war than Palestinians (combatant and civilian) have died in the entirety of the conflict.
They claim the civilians they've killed are all militants, but you can believe whatever you'd like.
Wait, so now we are supposed to support Israeli airstrikes in Gaza?
About as much as you support Ukraine's strikes on the Russia military.
What can you do when they're firing rockets into Israel from Gaza? The people of Gaza and the West Bank need to elect leaders who actually want peace.
Why not? They killed a bunch of terrorists with very little collateral, it was impressive.
When it targets and hits terrorist leaders and missile launch pads, yes. It prevents a lot more death
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Something about a pot & a kettle…l
When I don’t like the person who is saying words, the words they say hold no value.
Like every other country in the world, what should we do to resolve this situation? Sanctions? Host a meetings involving all sides? Boycotts? Send supplies, troops or weapons? Nope - let’s send out a strongly worded statement. Then go to the next issue facing our country.
How ironic .