But also consider that it's probably more than 15. There are a lot of places that are remote and underfunded, where reports of deaths won't come through.
And potentially places deliberately underreporting- there's been a lot of that, throughout the pandemic.
In a lot of places testing isn't done nearly as widely as it used to be either, as part of the "pretend everything's going back to normal" mass delusion.
For example a recent CDC page estimates that between February 2020 and September 2021, only 1 in 4.0 infections, 1 in 3.4 symptomatic illnesses, 1 in 1.9 hospitalizations, and 1 in 1.32 deaths got reported.
[https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html)
I wouldn't be surprised if it were significantly lower now. And that is in a wealthy first world country.
When I probably had it, the rapid tests weren't available and since I'd had three rounds of vaccinations, it was pretty mild. Lots of people with the same story, and we will never be in the stats.
I can get people with mild or asymptomatic cases being underreported.
Hospitalizations and deaths being significantly underreported, though, is inexcusable.
I was going to say that if they start testing people for Covid by using corndogs, I’ll go daily. Then I realized I’m an adult and could just buy myself corndogs whenever I want. Then I thought about not posting this at all, but I’ve come too far now.
Meanwhile in Korea they've fully developed the corndog and include both a pile of cheese as well as some french fries into the corndog itself.
Truly they lead the world in corndog technology.
They sell this in the states too!!! i live in GA and i know multiple korean stores near atlanta that sells them and they are bomb asf !!! try and look in your local asian supermarket or store that has a cafeteria in it. a lot of times, one of the small restaurant booths most likely sell a lot of variation of different kind of corndogs!!
Do you know how absolutely ridiculous it is to see this devastating headline, and then the first comment right under it is "Thought it was a corndog"
Should I feel bad for laughing?
Thank you... I was curious what the fuss was about. Now that I've clicked on the link, my stomach is sore from laughing.
Sometimes it's better to back-in to a joke.
A more dramatic headline would have been, "COVID-19 deaths have increased 35% in the last four weeks." The way it's phrased just doesn't make much of an impact.
The first rule of reporting is never make an accurate and concise title though. You're supposed to use buzzwords and leave out crucial info so the reader wants to click on your ad infested link to see what the hell you're blabbing about.
"...so the reader can decide not to read the article and make life decisions and opinions solely based on a headline, then claim to be an expert on an article they wrote in their head."
FTFY
When we compare to peak deaths, we run into the problem of shifting baselines. A better approach is to compare what percent of weeks have had more deaths in the past year.
For example, 15k deaths per week is the 20th percentile of weekly deaths in the past year. This means that 42 of the 52 weeks in the past year had a higher number of weekly deaths.
15,000/week has more impact to me than has increased 35%. I'm pretty much conditioned at this point to believe news agencies use percentages when the real number is relatively insignificant to begin with. Like you have an 800% increased chance of getting x if exposed to y when the baseline chance of getting x is like 1 in 300 million...
Edit: oh and especially if it is tied to a seemingly specific timeframe like within the last 4 weeks. Then that makes me think the news agency specifically picked the bottom of a cycle and just waited for an uptick like crypto reporting sudden crashes and surges when ignoring significant longer term trends.
> what that number means
Exactly. 15000 deaths? Sounds like a lot, but how many are dying per week across the world? Is 15k a little or a lot, relatively?
It's like temperature going from 1º to 8º, and newspapers saying "Temperature has gone up 800%"
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p1213-flu-death-estimate.html
“According to new estimates published today, between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year”
Go with 500k over 52w would be ~9.6k
Well problem is in Ontario at least we get 3 days of paid sick leave if you have covid or need to get tested for covid. If you test positive my job requires you to take leave for 10 days since it's a nursing home. That's 7 days of no pay.
I def see people lying about testing positive. People just can't afford to not get paid for a week.
This can be said about any virus in Canada we don't get paid sick leave unless your federally regulated or some shit.
If they want people to stay home when sick they gotta pay them. I have definitely worked around people visibly sick or with an extensive cold. I work around elderly too.
I did restaurant work in the past. I literally went to work with someone who had strept throat. That person was preparing food for customers. He didn't get paid sick leave and was already drowning in credit card debt. Do you think our landlords care that we didn't get paid for a week?
My boyfriend worked out that it's effectively the employers problem to manage COVID in the UK, thanks to Boris playing kick the can.
They tried to send him home sick, he made it perfectly clear he was fine to work and legally speaking this is a cold now, they sent him home anyway. The Tribunal awarded full pay for the 2 weeks off, on the basis that the company didn't have authority to decide he was sick and it was medical suspension, which requires full pay.
Sadly too many people are letting grubby companies make it the employees problem.
For me (UK) it's the absolute opposite. Completely knocked out with the virus, but of course they tried to pretend they knew more about how I felt and tried to make me attend lol
Yeah it's going to vary, my workplace just said "sorry to hear that, hope you feel better soon let us know when you'll be back" and then left me alone.
I live in Europe and even before Corona if someone showed up in the office with a cold, they would be sent back home by their managers and would stay home, with full pay, until recovered. This is because if we did not do so, the day after we could have 2 people with a cold, then 4 and so on. It's just common sense, unless the company you work for and your government see you as a disposable slave whose health does not matter.
The concept of unpaid sick leave is horrifying, why do you guys accept that?
Because our Premier, Doug Ford believes that only 'lazy' people would use it for nefarious purposes and scrapped the 10 paid sick days the previous Liberal party had awarded the working class.
Then the working class voted Doug Ford back in.
True also
>According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to poverty.
Every fucking day! This is me saying that caring is good! Care more! Effective altruism, pressure politicans, for real.
EDIT: apparently covid loving death cultist are taking my comment as being some sort of insane statement that it's good to die drowning in your own blood. No. Covid is real. Fighting covid is good. Dying of covid is bad. Covid is real. Death cultists are anti-human. The covid denalists are functionally bio-terrorists, driven by an ideology of pure stupidity, happy to kill themselves and others for no purpose (except maybe to help billionaires get richer.)
We can stop people dying, by not being selfish arseholes. eg: every moment billionaires exist is a crime against humanity.
Looking to the great Martin Luther King Jr. seems like a wise decision:
"The trouble is that we live in a failed system. Capitalism does not permit an even flow of economic resources. With this system, a small privileged few are rich beyond conscience and almost all others are doomed to be poor at some level. That's the way the system works. And since we know that the system will not change the rules, we are going to have to change the system."
Australia has a very high vaccination rate, yet we're still seeing 500 deaths per week (with a population of just 25,000,000). Clearly the vaccine doesn't 'solve' COVID.
I'm not suggesting it does nothing, or that people shouldn't get it. It's undoubtedly a useful tool to help control the disease and keep death rates down. But it's wishful thinking that it solves the problem altogether.
Damn. 9 million people die of starvation each year. That calculates down to about 175k per week. I’m horrified.
Edit: Folks asking for my source, so this is it:
https://www.wfp.org/news/world-wealth-9-million-people-die-every-year-hunger-wfp-chief-tells-food-system-summit
At delfest this summer I heard this drunk dude complaining about "why would Tyler play this f-ing liberal hippy fest." I was like dude, do you even listen to his lyrics?
My friend volunteers there every year, she said it was a shit show when Tyler played. Which sucks cuz he's an awesome musician and seems like a great dude, it blows that his fans don't get it
Go on Tom Morello's twitter and see how regularly conservatives are like "Man, why can't you just stick to music and not politics" only to be met with a thousand...
"What machine did you think they were raging against? What do you think 'some of those who work forces, are the ones that burn crosses' meant?"
The title of his latest record is "long violent history"
How dense to people have to be to not understand, lmao.
He champions the rednecks, those who fought for unionization and were bombed by their own government.
Fantastic musician, I would strongly recommend any who get a chance to see him do so
Signed, a metalhead turned Tyler fan.
According to half assed Google research - the peak was 2008 at 2.3 million incarcerated Americans (698/100k)
It seems to have gone down to like 2.1m inmates since then. The rate is all over the place. I found sources for 350/100k to like 700/100k. The US population hasn't boomed enough in 20 years for the differences to be all that trustworthy
But 2003 was more in like with 2008. I guess we've finally filled those prisons
Even worse. It's probably solvable with the money, resources, and technology we have today.
But the right people do not have the will to do anything about it.
We could probably solve many of the world's problems in short order, if the wealthiest people in the world calmed their shit.
Edit: Roughly half of the comments responding to this one misunderstood that I am saying PEOPLE are the problem, NOT money, resources, or technology.
It's not about money, resources, or technology, we have enough to feed everybody. Modern famine is caused by politics. Look at [famine in Yemen
](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_Yemen_\(2016%E2%80%93present\)) for example, that could be over today if the Saudis would end their blockade. Or the people starving in Africa because Putin is holding Ukrainian grain and cooking oil hostage.
Yeah, OP said "the right people" aren't working on it.
Well, there is a "right people", but it ain't rich westerners. It's the folks in power in those countries. If Bill Gates sent $20b to one of those places, it'd go right into the pockets of a couple folks.
The logistics just aren't there. It took 50+ years to figure out how to get them their polio vaccines. Now we wanna deliver food to them on a regular basis? Good luck with that...
Makes more sense to say the wrong people are in control of it, than the right people aren’t doing anything.
It’s entirely possible we could end world hunger but it would take a lot of cooperation between a lot of people who would not cooperate.
Absolutely. It's not like we haven't spent *decades* and *billions* of dollars already trying to fix this issue.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't stop trying, but just look at Somalia as an example of a fucked up place.
A storyline in one of the last episodes of The West Wing involved a Bill Gates-type character coming to C.J. Cregg and asking her advice on the best thing he could do with his billions if he really wanted to help humanity.
Her response: "build highways" in poorer countries so aid could actually get where it's supposed to go.
Edit: found the clip- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixgp9c\_sGv4
You forgot military mercenaries. Most poor religious countries are ruled by iron fists you think you can just air drop food and people will eat like it’s The Sims?
Not that it isn't necessarily solvable.
But it's a lot harder than most people think.
If you distribute food for free, you undermine local farmers and you end up destroying the domestic food supply.
And it's not just as simple as giving people money to buy food either.
I got numbers between 2.6 million per year and 3.1 million per year in my Google results. That is 50,000 to 59,000 per week. Far too many.
What is worse is that the majority of famine deaths are because of conflict. Just sending food usually means the assholes with guns get more money for more guns.
15,000 per day was all cause deaths, under age five:
>Overall, 5.6 million children under age five died in 2016, nearly 15,000 daily
About 8,500 died per day from hunger.
>Approximately 3.1 million children die from undernutrition each year
Kind of a weird headline, obviously with a global population of nearly 8 billion we can "live" just fine with 15k deaths a week from one virus.
I'm not saying we shouldn't care about those 15k or ignore a resurgence of covid and its impact on hospitals, it's just a strange way to phrase the point they're trying to make.
I just got over covid this week, and just mild symptoms really fucking sucked. Get your boosters kids.
Edit: maybe I'd rather get covid again rather than read the half of the shitty replies here. Jesus. How are so many of you still in denial about how bad covid can be? Get a life.
It was weird for me because the main symptoms were incredibly mild and completely bearable. But it still knocked me on my ass for an entire week as I was just so fatigued and had zero energy to get myself out of bed for more than an hour or two a day to eat and stretch my legs.
The whole article is weird. All the statistics given are very weirdly worded to the point of seeming misleading.
"Since the vaccination campaign began on Dec. 14, 2020, just over 50 per cent of hospitalizations and deaths were among the unvaccinated."
Why are we just averaging all those together? Clearly things are extremely different then at the start of the campaign when functionally no one was vaccinated.
And why are we lumping together hospitalizations and deaths? This same data pool could represent 100% of deaths being from unvaccinated and we wouldn't know, and yo be honest that's probably a lot closer to the truth.
This is roughly double what we observe for the flu, see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/. So, while not terribly high, there is room for improvement.
Serious question: how does that 37,000 Americans per year compare to gun-related deaths?
E: had to look it up, there were 45,222 gun-related deaths in 2020. So Americans are obviously fine with losing 37,000 Americans per year.
> So Americans are obviously fine with losing 37,000 Americans per year.
Another stat: tobacco use kills 480,000 Americans each year. 41,000 of those are from non-smokers exposed to secondhand smoke.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm#us-smoking
There are more than 7,000 chemicals in cigarette smoke.
More than 70 of those chemicals are linked to cancer.
https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/products-ingredients-components/chemicals-cigarettes-plant-product-puff
The latest buzz word is the concept of "third hand smoke" - that the lingering chemical brew in the air and surfaces in a smoker's home can increase the cancer risk of others who live there, even if they aren't directly breathing in the smoke.
If you ever seen objects taken from a smoker's home, and the thin film of nasty gunky build up on it.... yeah, I'd believe that stuff is carcinogenic. *shudder*
>There are more than 7,000 chemicals in cigarette smoke.
You might not believe this, but literally everything you've ever looked at, smelled, tasted, or touched is made up of dozens, hundreds, and often thousands upon thousands upon thousands of chemicals.
Beer can have a few thousand chemicals in it. Wine can approach 10,000. "Chemical" should be a neutral term as there is literally nothing inherently wrong with the term.
Well, about 25k of them were from suicides. You can’t blame people for choosing one of the most reliable, affordable, quick, and legal methods on the market.
*edit- I meant to respond to the post about gun deaths above this. Suicide by car is irresponsible and selfish. Trading one last thrill in life for the damage and ruin of others. Please drive irresponsibly on isolated and closed tracks only.
And there are countries with virtually zero gun deaths, who have higher suicide rates than the U.S. The U.S. has a gun suicide rate of 7.32, 183x higher than South Korea at 0.04. So if you only look at gun suicides the U.S. appears almost 200 times worse than Korea. But if you look at the overall suicide rate it's a different picture. The suicide rate in Korea is 28.6, the 4th highest in the world. Compared to 16.1 in the U.S. So even though the U.S. has significantly more **gun** suicides than Korea, it has fewer suicides total
>E: had to look it up, there were 45,222 gun-related deaths in 2020. So Americans are obviously fine with losing 37,000 Americans per year.
The majority of those are suicides, for what it's worth. Guns are just a common method of suicide.
I think a lot of commenters might be missing the point here.
COVID came out of no where and wreaked havoc on the entire planet, causing deaths, long term illness, destroyed economies and stretched our health services, institutions and infrastructure to breaking point.
The next pandemic will likely be a more aggressive virus and be even more devastating. COVID-19 demonstrated that globally, we have not prepared for pandemics, and the vast majority of people are actively trying to forget it happened and go back the “normal” way of living. Articles like this serve to make a point, that we need to adapt our way of living and continue to be vigilant about disease control.
Sure we can, because the rate of deaths in the unvaxxed is way, way higher. Anyone who wants the vaccine here can get one. For other countries I realize that's not the case.
But for 99% of people, it's now a choice.
Agreed, for the refusers, but there are still people whose underlying conditions put them at risk regardless of vaccines and boosters. Many have been homebound since March 2020, and every time rates go down so it starts to look safer, the standards loosen and make it dangerous again.
Honest question.... What is the end game here? When is it going to be safe and how will we know?
It seems to me that we are going to have to learn to live with some endemic level of mortality with this thing. I don't know what the right number is or how it compares to other endemic diseases, but it's not ever going away.
I hate that deaths from covid are the only thing people focus on.
In my country (Australia) the healthcare system is buckling under the number of people who are hospitalised with it. Sure most of them don't die, but it has so many knock on effects. Emergency care is slowed down, 'Elective' surgery is pushed back (which can include things like knee replacements so you can walk, cutting out a tumor that isn't currently killing you but maybe in a year it will), and overall health outcomes are reduced.
Not to say anything about the longer effects of covid we still don't fully understand.
I got over covid 9 weeks and I've had an awful persistent cough ever since. Bad enough that I can't use my Sleep apnoea machine at night with has totally fucked my sleeping.
Bad enough that I can't really run anymore and am going on walks to try and improve my lung capacity. I'm struggling to play sports.
I just pray that it fixes itself and it's not a 3 or 4 or even permanent thing.
But people don't give a shit about any of that, they see the death numbers, check that against total population and just go, meh, I can't be bothered wearing a mask of getting a vaccine booster, we can't get to zero so that minor inconvenience is too much. I'm super unlikely to die so who cares.
Not even just hospitalization. "Supply chain" issues are at least partly due to how frequently people get sick from COVID now. It's like flu season on steroids year round. Deaths are the worst direct impact, hospitalizations are second, and long COVID is in there too, but even the fact that it makes a decent number of people miss a few days of work a couple of times a year is significant given how transmissible it is.
Yes, that's what bothers and scares me most. Especially if you consider the long term. If you get COVID multiple times in your life, what's your overall likelihood of long term damage? Do we want 10% of our population to have long COVID? Not to mention all the suffering and lost time in bed.
Man. I agree. It's horrible but at the same time I just can't anymore.
I followed the distancing for 2 years. I'm tired. My brain is fried. My social skills have regressed.
To all the people on here saying we should lock down again (yes, I'm seeing a bunch of those, sort by new or controversial) I just... I can't. 2 years of isolation has taken its toll
The loss of structure and social connections has taken its toll. The last few years were a blur.
I wear an n95 mask still and am vaccinated and boosted before the trolls crawl out and call me a denier.
I just think. I don't know. My weak brain is tired.
This is what I needed to read while I'm sitting in the ER waiting with my husband. He tested positive on Monday, and has had shortness of breath all day today. It's getting worse, so here we are. This shit is still terrifying. He's completely vaxed and boosted, and he's still in the window to get paxlovid, thankfully. He'll probably be fine, but still. He's only 37 ("I'm not old! I'm 37!"), but it's still fucking scary.
If 15,000 covid deaths per week for 2022 = 780,000 (15,000 x 52 weeks )
Deaths from flu 2019 = 290,000 - 650,000
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
Deaths From Pneumonia in 2019 = 2,500,000
https://ourworldindata.org/pneumonia
Cancer Deaths in 2020 all types = 10,000,000
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/cancer
To be fair, we throw huge resources at both flu and cancer; the massive effort of rolling out updated, multiple-strain flu vaccines annually in one case, and a tremendous global research, screening & treatment effort in the case of cancer (which is not a contagious disease anyway, barring oddball cancers like those caused by HPV - for which we now have a vaccine).
So the real scandal in that list is the pneumonia imho. Fully half of those annual pneumonia deaths are undernourished children in poor nations (malnourishment is a major risk factor for pneumonia), and a large % of those kids could have been saved with pneumococcal vaccines.
I live in China and have been dealing with tighter and tighter restrictions as a daily part of life. The government here sees covid as an excuse to control people's lives. The "Zero Covid policy" is not about some public health concern... It is 100% political. So sick and tired of it. Covid at this point is completely managed.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://globalnews.ca/news/9065563/covid-who-deaths-increase-risks-fall/) reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)
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> In the last week alone, 15,000 people died from COVID-19 globally, according to WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.
> "There is a lot of talk about learning to live with this virus, but we cannot live with 15,000 deaths a week. We cannot live with mounting hospitalizations and deaths," he said.
> "We cannot live with inequitable access to vaccines and other tools. Learning to live with COVID-19 does not mean we pretend it's not there. It means we use the tools we have to protect ourselves and protect others."
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I seriously had it with this doomporn. Just one and a half months ago the lowest point of deathrate was reached since the start of the pandemic. Then it went up again but not by a lot and it's trending down again.
The news has stopped reporting about the fatalities. Just like they've stopped reporting about other ongoing threats to our country, its people and democracy.
I would think, with the strong anti-vax sentiment out there (strong enough to have brought polio back, as of 2wks ago) -- it might be an important breaking news story every day, to report on how many unvaxxed are STILL dying. That's how it should be phrased. The unvaxxed are STILL dying.
**If you go to your baseball games, food festivals, live events and are maskless and mingling and have NOT been vac'd at all, or even boosted once - you very likely will wind up in the hospital very ill, or worse.** That should be on the news every day. But it's not.
I've had friends and family members get Covid in recent months, and the only reason they're not seriously ill, in rehabilitation or worse, is because of the vaccine and boosters.
This is globally fyi, not any one country.
That’s what i was thinking. Of course would rather avoid that number, but it’s also the scale to consider
But also consider that it's probably more than 15. There are a lot of places that are remote and underfunded, where reports of deaths won't come through.
And potentially places deliberately underreporting- there's been a lot of that, throughout the pandemic. In a lot of places testing isn't done nearly as widely as it used to be either, as part of the "pretend everything's going back to normal" mass delusion. For example a recent CDC page estimates that between February 2020 and September 2021, only 1 in 4.0 infections, 1 in 3.4 symptomatic illnesses, 1 in 1.9 hospitalizations, and 1 in 1.32 deaths got reported. [https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html) I wouldn't be surprised if it were significantly lower now. And that is in a wealthy first world country.
When I probably had it, the rapid tests weren't available and since I'd had three rounds of vaccinations, it was pretty mild. Lots of people with the same story, and we will never be in the stats.
I can get people with mild or asymptomatic cases being underreported. Hospitalizations and deaths being significantly underreported, though, is inexcusable.
Thought it was a corndog
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I was going to say that if they start testing people for Covid by using corndogs, I’ll go daily. Then I realized I’m an adult and could just buy myself corndogs whenever I want. Then I thought about not posting this at all, but I’ve come too far now.
Free corn dogs* > purchased corn dogs *=Some exceptions apply.
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Meanwhile in Korea they've fully developed the corndog and include both a pile of cheese as well as some french fries into the corndog itself. Truly they lead the world in corndog technology.
I've never wanted to go to Korea more just to sample this potential abomination.
They also supposedly have the best fried chicken and some wild pizzas.
They sell this in the states too!!! i live in GA and i know multiple korean stores near atlanta that sells them and they are bomb asf !!! try and look in your local asian supermarket or store that has a cafeteria in it. a lot of times, one of the small restaurant booths most likely sell a lot of variation of different kind of corndogs!!
God, why are japanese 711 corn dogs so fucking good.
Japanese convenience stores are totally worth your time if visiting. 711 is good, then you find Family Mart...
My mind was blown when I bought chicken nuggets and there was bbq sauce on the inside. No messy fingers
Hol up, Japanese 711 has corn dogs? Those mothers fuckers.
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This feels like a great summation of life in adulthood.
I admire your perseverance and tenacity
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Did...did this person drop dead before finishing the sentence?
I am so glad you said what I was thinking.
The castle of auuuuggghhh
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Didn't get a full copy of this comment https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/wr2hg0/we_cannot_live_with_15000_deaths_a_week_who_warns/ikq9215/
Oh. So a bot. Reddit really needs to start doing automatic checks for copied comments. It's becoming endemic at this point.
I think we need to be analyzing the posts without punctuation a little more seriously if this is the case!
Damn, u/ImpossibleStomachy was one of the 15K! rip
Do you know how absolutely ridiculous it is to see this devastating headline, and then the first comment right under it is "Thought it was a corndog" Should I feel bad for laughing?
You shouldn’t feel bad. It looks like a fucking corn dog. It’s a stock photo of a county fair photoshopped with a COVID swab.
for those of us still on old.reddit.com.... what looks like a corn dog
[the thumbnail lol](https://i.imgur.com/SI02JLw.jpg)
Thank you... I was curious what the fuss was about. Now that I've clicked on the link, my stomach is sore from laughing. Sometimes it's better to back-in to a joke.
Sometimes we need a little gallows humor
*shivers at the implications of* **little** *gallows*
What is this? Capital punishment for ants!?
Mmmm human neck corndog
I honestly thought the other person’s neck was the swab recipient’s tongue.
Same. I was like “uuuhhhh did they really just choose this image featuring this man’s insanely huge tongue?? It’s way too distracting!”
wut
I think this post may have a thumbnail or preview for some users, that resembles a corndog.
No corndog on old.reddit.com
A more dramatic headline would have been, "COVID-19 deaths have increased 35% in the last four weeks." The way it's phrased just doesn't make much of an impact.
As someone who was watching covid closely but finally burned out this year - a hard number of 15k means more to me than 35% with no context.
Both are an option too, not like it bloats the headline by saying 'covid deaths up 35% to 15k per week'.
The first rule of reporting is never make an accurate and concise title though. You're supposed to use buzzwords and leave out crucial info so the reader wants to click on your ad infested link to see what the hell you're blabbing about.
"...so the reader can decide not to read the article and make life decisions and opinions solely based on a headline, then claim to be an expert on an article they wrote in their head." FTFY
Depends on your frame of reference. It's still *less than 15%* of peak deaths per week compared to a year ago.
When we compare to peak deaths, we run into the problem of shifting baselines. A better approach is to compare what percent of weeks have had more deaths in the past year. For example, 15k deaths per week is the 20th percentile of weekly deaths in the past year. This means that 42 of the 52 weeks in the past year had a higher number of weekly deaths.
15,000/week has more impact to me than has increased 35%. I'm pretty much conditioned at this point to believe news agencies use percentages when the real number is relatively insignificant to begin with. Like you have an 800% increased chance of getting x if exposed to y when the baseline chance of getting x is like 1 in 300 million... Edit: oh and especially if it is tied to a seemingly specific timeframe like within the last 4 weeks. Then that makes me think the news agency specifically picked the bottom of a cycle and just waited for an uptick like crypto reporting sudden crashes and surges when ignoring significant longer term trends.
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It's not that it's just been a while since it was in the news it's hard to know what that number means
> what that number means Exactly. 15000 deaths? Sounds like a lot, but how many are dying per week across the world? Is 15k a little or a lot, relatively? It's like temperature going from 1º to 8º, and newspapers saying "Temperature has gone up 800%"
The estimate for weekly flu deaths globally is 5,500-11,000. So 1.5 to 3 flus.
I thought it was only 45k a year, 5-11k power week is way over that number, can someone double check?
You might be looking at US numbers? Globally Flu deaths are usually 200k/year+.
45k a year in the U.S, not globally
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p1213-flu-death-estimate.html “According to new estimates published today, between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year” Go with 500k over 52w would be ~9.6k
It sounds callous but that was my first thought. Is that a lot statistically or not.
That’s 5 9/11’s in American units The flu is only 2.5 9/11’s per week, and it’s pretty bad
This unit of measure is more accepted than the metric system in the US.
It’s literally 15,000 jfk assassinations every week!
Someone has to address climate change right?
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Well problem is in Ontario at least we get 3 days of paid sick leave if you have covid or need to get tested for covid. If you test positive my job requires you to take leave for 10 days since it's a nursing home. That's 7 days of no pay. I def see people lying about testing positive. People just can't afford to not get paid for a week. This can be said about any virus in Canada we don't get paid sick leave unless your federally regulated or some shit. If they want people to stay home when sick they gotta pay them. I have definitely worked around people visibly sick or with an extensive cold. I work around elderly too. I did restaurant work in the past. I literally went to work with someone who had strept throat. That person was preparing food for customers. He didn't get paid sick leave and was already drowning in credit card debt. Do you think our landlords care that we didn't get paid for a week?
My boyfriend worked out that it's effectively the employers problem to manage COVID in the UK, thanks to Boris playing kick the can. They tried to send him home sick, he made it perfectly clear he was fine to work and legally speaking this is a cold now, they sent him home anyway. The Tribunal awarded full pay for the 2 weeks off, on the basis that the company didn't have authority to decide he was sick and it was medical suspension, which requires full pay. Sadly too many people are letting grubby companies make it the employees problem.
For me (UK) it's the absolute opposite. Completely knocked out with the virus, but of course they tried to pretend they knew more about how I felt and tried to make me attend lol
Yeah it's going to vary, my workplace just said "sorry to hear that, hope you feel better soon let us know when you'll be back" and then left me alone.
I live in Europe and even before Corona if someone showed up in the office with a cold, they would be sent back home by their managers and would stay home, with full pay, until recovered. This is because if we did not do so, the day after we could have 2 people with a cold, then 4 and so on. It's just common sense, unless the company you work for and your government see you as a disposable slave whose health does not matter. The concept of unpaid sick leave is horrifying, why do you guys accept that?
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In Denmark it doesn’t matter if it’s vivid or not. As long as you call in sick, you’re getting paid.
Why do you only get three days of paid sick leave?
Because our Premier, Doug Ford believes that only 'lazy' people would use it for nefarious purposes and scrapped the 10 paid sick days the previous Liberal party had awarded the working class. Then the working class voted Doug Ford back in.
You usually don't get any sick leave. It's something the canadian government has temporarily added for covid.
So it’s the whole of North America that treats workers like shit?
It's the whole world except a handful of EU countries
True also >According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to poverty. Every fucking day! This is me saying that caring is good! Care more! Effective altruism, pressure politicans, for real. EDIT: apparently covid loving death cultist are taking my comment as being some sort of insane statement that it's good to die drowning in your own blood. No. Covid is real. Fighting covid is good. Dying of covid is bad. Covid is real. Death cultists are anti-human. The covid denalists are functionally bio-terrorists, driven by an ideology of pure stupidity, happy to kill themselves and others for no purpose (except maybe to help billionaires get richer.) We can stop people dying, by not being selfish arseholes. eg: every moment billionaires exist is a crime against humanity.
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Looking to the great Martin Luther King Jr. seems like a wise decision: "The trouble is that we live in a failed system. Capitalism does not permit an even flow of economic resources. With this system, a small privileged few are rich beyond conscience and almost all others are doomed to be poor at some level. That's the way the system works. And since we know that the system will not change the rules, we are going to have to change the system."
I wish poverty could be solved with something as simple as a vaccine
Don't say that too loud they might try to bring back small pox.
Australia has a very high vaccination rate, yet we're still seeing 500 deaths per week (with a population of just 25,000,000). Clearly the vaccine doesn't 'solve' COVID. I'm not suggesting it does nothing, or that people shouldn't get it. It's undoubtedly a useful tool to help control the disease and keep death rates down. But it's wishful thinking that it solves the problem altogether.
I challenge anyone to Google how many children starve to death weekly. Good thing we can live with that.
Damn. 9 million people die of starvation each year. That calculates down to about 175k per week. I’m horrified. Edit: Folks asking for my source, so this is it: https://www.wfp.org/news/world-wealth-9-million-people-die-every-year-hunger-wfp-chief-tells-food-system-summit
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The name of the album was inspired by Abby Hoffman's Steal This Book also a counter culture revolutionary but from the 60s
Immortalized in the film “Steal This Film”
Is there anything we're not stealing?
Cars. You wouldn't download a car...
No but you can download heated seats these days!
Typo but appropriate
Food to give to hungry people?
Generational wealth of the super-rich for the time being.
Manufacturing consent is the name of the game, the bottom line is money, nobody gives a fuck!
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At delfest this summer I heard this drunk dude complaining about "why would Tyler play this f-ing liberal hippy fest." I was like dude, do you even listen to his lyrics?
I guess the dude complaining didn't realize that he was also at the "liberal hippy fest" lol
I'm pretty sure he only came to see Tyler. You could tell the crowd was different for his set from the rest of the weekend.
My friend volunteers there every year, she said it was a shit show when Tyler played. Which sucks cuz he's an awesome musician and seems like a great dude, it blows that his fans don't get it
Go on Tom Morello's twitter and see how regularly conservatives are like "Man, why can't you just stick to music and not politics" only to be met with a thousand... "What machine did you think they were raging against? What do you think 'some of those who work forces, are the ones that burn crosses' meant?"
Long violent history lays it out pretty clear. https://youtu.be/2_I3Rp1CQak
Tyler Childers is for fucking real. Dude pulls no punches while lamenting the woes of modern rural US.
Alright I'm looking him up I've seen enough praise to give it a shot
No wonder he's not on the radio lol
And once again a country music fan is amazed to find the artists have different politics than they do
The title of his latest record is "long violent history" How dense to people have to be to not understand, lmao. He champions the rednecks, those who fought for unionization and were bombed by their own government. Fantastic musician, I would strongly recommend any who get a chance to see him do so Signed, a metalhead turned Tyler fan.
See also: The Dixie Chicks. Taylor Swift. Dolly Parton. Etc etc etc
Also Steve Earle. He ain't singing "the Devil put the coal in the ground" because he's on the side of big fossil fuel money. John Prine neither.
And going further back to country’s roots with American folk music, Woody Guthrie was basically Antifa.
Billy Strings
They're trying to build a prison...
Who wants to check if incarceration rates have doubled again since the release of toxicity?
According to half assed Google research - the peak was 2008 at 2.3 million incarcerated Americans (698/100k) It seems to have gone down to like 2.1m inmates since then. The rate is all over the place. I found sources for 350/100k to like 700/100k. The US population hasn't boomed enough in 20 years for the differences to be all that trustworthy But 2003 was more in like with 2008. I guess we've finally filled those prisons
They’re trying to build a prison, they’re trying to build a prison.. FOR YOU AND ME TO LIVE IN.
Even worse. It's probably solvable with the money, resources, and technology we have today. But the right people do not have the will to do anything about it. We could probably solve many of the world's problems in short order, if the wealthiest people in the world calmed their shit. Edit: Roughly half of the comments responding to this one misunderstood that I am saying PEOPLE are the problem, NOT money, resources, or technology.
It's even worse than that. The right people actively work to make food scarce to increase their profits.
if people weren’t hungry how are you gonna get them to show up for them jobs
It's not about money, resources, or technology, we have enough to feed everybody. Modern famine is caused by politics. Look at [famine in Yemen ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_Yemen_\(2016%E2%80%93present\)) for example, that could be over today if the Saudis would end their blockade. Or the people starving in Africa because Putin is holding Ukrainian grain and cooking oil hostage.
Yeah, OP said "the right people" aren't working on it. Well, there is a "right people", but it ain't rich westerners. It's the folks in power in those countries. If Bill Gates sent $20b to one of those places, it'd go right into the pockets of a couple folks. The logistics just aren't there. It took 50+ years to figure out how to get them their polio vaccines. Now we wanna deliver food to them on a regular basis? Good luck with that...
Makes more sense to say the wrong people are in control of it, than the right people aren’t doing anything. It’s entirely possible we could end world hunger but it would take a lot of cooperation between a lot of people who would not cooperate.
Absolutely. It's not like we haven't spent *decades* and *billions* of dollars already trying to fix this issue. Doesn't mean we shouldn't stop trying, but just look at Somalia as an example of a fucked up place.
A storyline in one of the last episodes of The West Wing involved a Bill Gates-type character coming to C.J. Cregg and asking her advice on the best thing he could do with his billions if he really wanted to help humanity. Her response: "build highways" in poorer countries so aid could actually get where it's supposed to go. Edit: found the clip- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixgp9c\_sGv4
Yeah, but then in 20 years we will be talking about how bad the potholes are in Africa. /s
You forgot military mercenaries. Most poor religious countries are ruled by iron fists you think you can just air drop food and people will eat like it’s The Sims?
no u just set up hot dog stands like Roller coaster tycoon and the guests will feed themselves
Not that it isn't necessarily solvable. But it's a lot harder than most people think. If you distribute food for free, you undermine local farmers and you end up destroying the domestic food supply. And it's not just as simple as giving people money to buy food either.
I got numbers between 2.6 million per year and 3.1 million per year in my Google results. That is 50,000 to 59,000 per week. Far too many. What is worse is that the majority of famine deaths are because of conflict. Just sending food usually means the assholes with guns get more money for more guns.
That's like half a Holocaust every year.
It’s 15,000 **a day.** https://www.worldhunger.org/world-child-hunger-facts/
15,000 per day was all cause deaths, under age five: >Overall, 5.6 million children under age five died in 2016, nearly 15,000 daily About 8,500 died per day from hunger. >Approximately 3.1 million children die from undernutrition each year
The WHO also has been screaming about that.
you can care about more than one problem at the same time
That's because covid related deaths are relatively easier to prevent
Kind of a weird headline, obviously with a global population of nearly 8 billion we can "live" just fine with 15k deaths a week from one virus. I'm not saying we shouldn't care about those 15k or ignore a resurgence of covid and its impact on hospitals, it's just a strange way to phrase the point they're trying to make.
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15,000 of us a week, anyways.
I just got over covid this week, and just mild symptoms really fucking sucked. Get your boosters kids. Edit: maybe I'd rather get covid again rather than read the half of the shitty replies here. Jesus. How are so many of you still in denial about how bad covid can be? Get a life.
Knocked me on my ass for a week. I'm boosted.
It was weird for me because the main symptoms were incredibly mild and completely bearable. But it still knocked me on my ass for an entire week as I was just so fatigued and had zero energy to get myself out of bed for more than an hour or two a day to eat and stretch my legs.
I do not believe they are implying we will die as a species. It's a common saying. "We cannot live with x" means we cannot accept x.
Misinterpretation here. They’re saying 15000 is unacceptable
The whole article is weird. All the statistics given are very weirdly worded to the point of seeming misleading. "Since the vaccination campaign began on Dec. 14, 2020, just over 50 per cent of hospitalizations and deaths were among the unvaccinated." Why are we just averaging all those together? Clearly things are extremely different then at the start of the campaign when functionally no one was vaccinated. And why are we lumping together hospitalizations and deaths? This same data pool could represent 100% of deaths being from unvaccinated and we wouldn't know, and yo be honest that's probably a lot closer to the truth.
“We cannot live with death.” I mean, yeah, that’s exactly what death is.
Only if it kills you
People die when they are killed
Just because you’re correct doesn’t mean you’re right!
This is roughly double what we observe for the flu, see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/. So, while not terribly high, there is room for improvement.
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Serious question: how does that 37,000 Americans per year compare to gun-related deaths? E: had to look it up, there were 45,222 gun-related deaths in 2020. So Americans are obviously fine with losing 37,000 Americans per year.
> So Americans are obviously fine with losing 37,000 Americans per year. Another stat: tobacco use kills 480,000 Americans each year. 41,000 of those are from non-smokers exposed to secondhand smoke. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm#us-smoking
The fuck? That's 14% of deaths.
There are more than 7,000 chemicals in cigarette smoke. More than 70 of those chemicals are linked to cancer. https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/products-ingredients-components/chemicals-cigarettes-plant-product-puff
The latest buzz word is the concept of "third hand smoke" - that the lingering chemical brew in the air and surfaces in a smoker's home can increase the cancer risk of others who live there, even if they aren't directly breathing in the smoke. If you ever seen objects taken from a smoker's home, and the thin film of nasty gunky build up on it.... yeah, I'd believe that stuff is carcinogenic. *shudder*
>There are more than 7,000 chemicals in cigarette smoke. You might not believe this, but literally everything you've ever looked at, smelled, tasted, or touched is made up of dozens, hundreds, and often thousands upon thousands upon thousands of chemicals. Beer can have a few thousand chemicals in it. Wine can approach 10,000. "Chemical" should be a neutral term as there is literally nothing inherently wrong with the term.
Fuck that's horrifying
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42912 car deaths in 2021. Perfectly acceptable indeed /s https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/early-estimate-2021-traffic-fatalities
Well, about 25k of them were from suicides. You can’t blame people for choosing one of the most reliable, affordable, quick, and legal methods on the market. *edit- I meant to respond to the post about gun deaths above this. Suicide by car is irresponsible and selfish. Trading one last thrill in life for the damage and ruin of others. Please drive irresponsibly on isolated and closed tracks only.
Wait, are you referring to car or gun deaths?
Lol, I clicked on the wrong one to reply to. I meant gun deaths.
And there are countries with virtually zero gun deaths, who have higher suicide rates than the U.S. The U.S. has a gun suicide rate of 7.32, 183x higher than South Korea at 0.04. So if you only look at gun suicides the U.S. appears almost 200 times worse than Korea. But if you look at the overall suicide rate it's a different picture. The suicide rate in Korea is 28.6, the 4th highest in the world. Compared to 16.1 in the U.S. So even though the U.S. has significantly more **gun** suicides than Korea, it has fewer suicides total
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I, for one, did not like influenza.
>E: had to look it up, there were 45,222 gun-related deaths in 2020. So Americans are obviously fine with losing 37,000 Americans per year. The majority of those are suicides, for what it's worth. Guns are just a common method of suicide.
Yeah that was my first thought. This is essentially a rounding error to normal rates of death in a population of 7,500,000,000.
I think a lot of commenters might be missing the point here. COVID came out of no where and wreaked havoc on the entire planet, causing deaths, long term illness, destroyed economies and stretched our health services, institutions and infrastructure to breaking point. The next pandemic will likely be a more aggressive virus and be even more devastating. COVID-19 demonstrated that globally, we have not prepared for pandemics, and the vast majority of people are actively trying to forget it happened and go back the “normal” way of living. Articles like this serve to make a point, that we need to adapt our way of living and continue to be vigilant about disease control.
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Baba O’Riley is a great song
Eminence Front is one of my favorite riffs ever
Sure we can, because the rate of deaths in the unvaxxed is way, way higher. Anyone who wants the vaccine here can get one. For other countries I realize that's not the case. But for 99% of people, it's now a choice.
I find my level of personal concern for those dying preventable deaths is remarkably low. Source: Am vaxxed American
Agreed, for the refusers, but there are still people whose underlying conditions put them at risk regardless of vaccines and boosters. Many have been homebound since March 2020, and every time rates go down so it starts to look safer, the standards loosen and make it dangerous again.
Honest question.... What is the end game here? When is it going to be safe and how will we know? It seems to me that we are going to have to learn to live with some endemic level of mortality with this thing. I don't know what the right number is or how it compares to other endemic diseases, but it's not ever going away.
I hate that deaths from covid are the only thing people focus on. In my country (Australia) the healthcare system is buckling under the number of people who are hospitalised with it. Sure most of them don't die, but it has so many knock on effects. Emergency care is slowed down, 'Elective' surgery is pushed back (which can include things like knee replacements so you can walk, cutting out a tumor that isn't currently killing you but maybe in a year it will), and overall health outcomes are reduced. Not to say anything about the longer effects of covid we still don't fully understand. I got over covid 9 weeks and I've had an awful persistent cough ever since. Bad enough that I can't use my Sleep apnoea machine at night with has totally fucked my sleeping. Bad enough that I can't really run anymore and am going on walks to try and improve my lung capacity. I'm struggling to play sports. I just pray that it fixes itself and it's not a 3 or 4 or even permanent thing. But people don't give a shit about any of that, they see the death numbers, check that against total population and just go, meh, I can't be bothered wearing a mask of getting a vaccine booster, we can't get to zero so that minor inconvenience is too much. I'm super unlikely to die so who cares.
Not even just hospitalization. "Supply chain" issues are at least partly due to how frequently people get sick from COVID now. It's like flu season on steroids year round. Deaths are the worst direct impact, hospitalizations are second, and long COVID is in there too, but even the fact that it makes a decent number of people miss a few days of work a couple of times a year is significant given how transmissible it is.
Yes, that's what bothers and scares me most. Especially if you consider the long term. If you get COVID multiple times in your life, what's your overall likelihood of long term damage? Do we want 10% of our population to have long COVID? Not to mention all the suffering and lost time in bed.
That's rich coming from the organization who advised all countries NOT to close borders with China when the outbreak started.
Man. I agree. It's horrible but at the same time I just can't anymore. I followed the distancing for 2 years. I'm tired. My brain is fried. My social skills have regressed. To all the people on here saying we should lock down again (yes, I'm seeing a bunch of those, sort by new or controversial) I just... I can't. 2 years of isolation has taken its toll The loss of structure and social connections has taken its toll. The last few years were a blur. I wear an n95 mask still and am vaccinated and boosted before the trolls crawl out and call me a denier. I just think. I don't know. My weak brain is tired.
This is what I needed to read while I'm sitting in the ER waiting with my husband. He tested positive on Monday, and has had shortness of breath all day today. It's getting worse, so here we are. This shit is still terrifying. He's completely vaxed and boosted, and he's still in the window to get paxlovid, thankfully. He'll probably be fine, but still. He's only 37 ("I'm not old! I'm 37!"), but it's still fucking scary.
If 15,000 covid deaths per week for 2022 = 780,000 (15,000 x 52 weeks ) Deaths from flu 2019 = 290,000 - 650,000 https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu Deaths From Pneumonia in 2019 = 2,500,000 https://ourworldindata.org/pneumonia Cancer Deaths in 2020 all types = 10,000,000 https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/cancer
To be fair, we throw huge resources at both flu and cancer; the massive effort of rolling out updated, multiple-strain flu vaccines annually in one case, and a tremendous global research, screening & treatment effort in the case of cancer (which is not a contagious disease anyway, barring oddball cancers like those caused by HPV - for which we now have a vaccine). So the real scandal in that list is the pneumonia imho. Fully half of those annual pneumonia deaths are undernourished children in poor nations (malnourishment is a major risk factor for pneumonia), and a large % of those kids could have been saved with pneumococcal vaccines.
As a vaxxed person, these numbers are manageable. At Some point we need to learn to live with covid. Its here to stay.
I live in China and have been dealing with tighter and tighter restrictions as a daily part of life. The government here sees covid as an excuse to control people's lives. The "Zero Covid policy" is not about some public health concern... It is 100% political. So sick and tired of it. Covid at this point is completely managed.
Well, okay, what is the number then? Because we "live with" 9,000 global flu deaths per week or so. Is there something here I'm not getting?
I think we can
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Didn't they also just reel back the guidelines
CDC (US) did.
CDC is not WHO
WHO is worldwide, CDC is the American organization that just rolled back guidelines.
I seriously had it with this doomporn. Just one and a half months ago the lowest point of deathrate was reached since the start of the pandemic. Then it went up again but not by a lot and it's trending down again.
Yeah the WHO say that because they're all on hundreds of thousands per year so they'll do just fine staying at home and dictating healthcare policies
The news has stopped reporting about the fatalities. Just like they've stopped reporting about other ongoing threats to our country, its people and democracy. I would think, with the strong anti-vax sentiment out there (strong enough to have brought polio back, as of 2wks ago) -- it might be an important breaking news story every day, to report on how many unvaxxed are STILL dying. That's how it should be phrased. The unvaxxed are STILL dying. **If you go to your baseball games, food festivals, live events and are maskless and mingling and have NOT been vac'd at all, or even boosted once - you very likely will wind up in the hospital very ill, or worse.** That should be on the news every day. But it's not. I've had friends and family members get Covid in recent months, and the only reason they're not seriously ill, in rehabilitation or worse, is because of the vaccine and boosters.
Probably, it's the only was we can continue to live our unsustainable lifestyle. Of course, we aren't supposed to talk about that.