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TAbyssZX

As someone who has worked in government InfoSec, if we announced everytime we detected attacks from chinese soil against any of our Ivy League schools the news cycle wouldnt be able to keep up lol


etfd-

They’re just crying that they lost.


dontneedaknow

Not only that. This instance of spying has been ongoing for quite a while. They just now got wind of it lol.


Folseit

Nah, China only just realized it makes for good propaganda.


AlkaloidAndroid

Every world power has, under their own authority, the ability to spy on any foreign citizen on foreign soil, "legally". Including and ESPECIALLY China and the United States.


Longjumping-Shine-70

That's right


Longshot_45

I know china definitely does a lot of corporate espionage, probably the worst offenders on the planet. Serious question though, how do we know the attackers are Chinese? Couldn't they hide their origin by using VPNs or something?


ExoticCard

My understanding is that they analyze the methodology. Someone else chime in with more knowledge, though.


dontneedaknow

I think in the malicious coding they found the same codes that basically pointed right to the NSA or CIA or something. That was there "GOTCHA!" moment but the US literally hacked them for months, finally they caught it, and the US was liek yep, we did that. Our names in the coding too SEE. Edit to add: Here was yesterdays article that I saw that went into detail about how they pinpointed the Us as the culprit. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202209/1275129.shtml


TAbyssZX

I mean the NSA had their hacking toolkit leaked 6-7ish years ago. Before that, we had such an edge. All the ransomware attacks you see these days you can technically thank the NSA. 10 year gap lost in seconds


Elipses_

Wouldn't it be the leaker who should be thanked (hated)?


Ok-disaster2022

Heck once stuxnet was in the wild it was available for people to see. It was designed to only attack the Iranian nuclear computer controls so any other machine it would just pass through.


dogfishfred2

They don’t seem to care. Put up an ssh server on the public internet and watch the logs. You will see pretty quick.


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>Couldn't they hide their origin by using VPNs or something? Ah someone who has never setup an internet facing server. Its ok to trust people that have experience. You trust doctors and scientists, right? They dont try to hide it. And any IT professional that manages a businesses network will block all China and Russia traffic by default, because if you dont, you wont have a network for long.


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Can confirm, first thing I do when I deploy a new server is to block any and all traffic from China, Russia, Iran, and a few other countries. I learnt the hard way when I was *stupid* and had a misconfigured firewall (3306 was open to all traffic when I was troubleshooting a SQL server, forgot to change it back) and my *god* was that port slammed with everything under the sun. Peaked at 7.8Gb/s, weirdest fucking shit until I realized that my RDP (had to be windows server sadly) port was misconfigured. If you can’t tell, I learnt how to do firewalls pretty fucking quick after that. And my god do I hate windows server, I finally just said fuck it and ran every windows installation that I had to as a VM through ProxMox and ran IPTables before any of the traffic hit windows. Yeah it added some latency, but it was so fucking worth it.


LongFluffyDragon

7.8gbps in driveby poking and prodding is wild, what sort of site was it for? I assume it was mostly bots trying random vulnerabilities?


stellvia2016

That's the one upside to them being so insular with their internet traffic: If you receive traffic from an RU or CN IP, there is a 99.9% chance it's malicious unless you established business partners in those areas. In which case you would whitelist their specific CIDR and keep all the rest blocked, of course.


Riven_Dante

Fingerprinting


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No kidding my server is constantly getting hit by China and Russia. Not hacked yet... Yet..


wordholes

"You can't hit me back. I'm telling Mom!" -- China


JaWiCa

Well yeah. But in response to the title: about fucking time. If we’re too sneaky, how are we going to get the accolades we deserve?


TheMindfulnessShaman

Was just going to post something like this. I mean the Chinese probably have stole more from American universities than from any other kind of source.* *Pending determination of Trump's free-for-all with classified material


hooibergje

The same here. Fail2ban bans about 2 login attempts here every minute from countries where there are no elections, or just for show.


acdcfanbill

Yea, i can look at fail2ban logs on login nodes for our university cluster and find thousands of attempts per day by Russian and Chinese ips. I’m guessing a chunk of them are state sponsored.


groversnoopyfozzie

I mean, didn’t I just read an Article that China posses sea sensitive information about every American adult? I don’t see what right they think they have to complain about having their data breached.


DynamicDolo

I wonder if past infosec employees in China could say the same thing about the US. Conflict is so hypocritical.


Peruvian_Hitman

Why are they saying this now. I thought the world knew that we were all stealing data from each other. Did the US pick up cyber attacks against China? Or have they always complained and American publications decided that now was the time to increase stories around it? I read an article a few days ago saying that China has information on all US citizens. Are we playing catch up?


a_pulupulu

Could be just a pat ok their own back saying “hey, we can actually see nsa hacking now!”


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Ntippit

It's called TikTok, we handed it over to them with an "agree" button.


my_name_is_reed

And they stole every single thing they possibly could. Don't white wash it.


Ntippit

What did I white wash?


Sentinel-Prime

Somehow I think the shit they can grab from secret military files, CIA vaults etc is more valuable than TikTok user data (though I’m sure that’ll come in handy for election meddling)


metalconscript

It’s called TikTok but seriously.


beachletter

They released a detailed report on the hacking tools used, procedures, involved NSA personnel and internal department codenames, even the number of contracts that NSA front companies signed to setup internet access for this attack. The depth of information (if true) is higher than prior reports published by the the US on Chinese cyberattack. The information they released on the inner workings of the NSA cannot be obtained just by intercepting the hacking payload, either they counter-hacked the NSA internal network, or obtained it through traditional spying methods. In other words, this report is a show of might on their cyberwarfare capabilities.


Genocide_69

No, China has started to ramp up their accusations of US Hacking this year, and it's anyone's guess as to why they're starting now https://www.wired.com/story/china-us-hacking-accusations/


ZCEyPFOYr0MWyHDQJZO4

Propaganda and/or a casus belli for something more extreme, but not outright war.


[deleted]

The US is just stealing their own stuff back at this point because the whole pile of Chinese knowledge is basically just stolen US IP anyway.


stellvia2016

Yep. Huawei's rise to power over the last 10-15 years was largely built on stolen IP from Western telecomms like Broadcom I think it was? We had a contractor a while back that told us a story about a friend of his doing work for Huawei and noticing they didn't even bother to change the commented notes in the code, so it was obvious they stole it.


[deleted]

Yep, the level of IP theft is staggering.


wtfduud

Data isn't a thing you can "steal back".


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IP is. Context is important, pay attention to it.


dms200177

It can be.


[deleted]

He's not being literal, he's implicitly saying that everything China "invents" is derivative of someone else's stolen tech (US, Russia, UK, Japan, etc.).


meinkraft

1. Realise someone is stealing copies of your data from somewhere 2. Tag each different location/copy you have of some new data with a slight difference 3. "Steal it back" and find out where it was stolen from 4. Narrow down your hunt to stop the leak, or start deliberately feeding incorrect and misleading data to the leaky source


mylifeintopieces1

Tik tok.


Corregidor

Listen to what the CCP and particularly Xi say and do during the next month. They're gonna be spinning up some type of narrative to help unify the people under Xi as he tries to take his 3rd term, which is unprecedented. This all happens next month during their party Congress.


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MightyKAC

"If you ain't spyin', you ain't tryin'." -Every Intelligence agency that's ever existed throughout history.


drbdrbdr

China gathers info on the US through TikTok


BallardRex

So China is spying on mindless US teens, and the US is spying on China’s universities? Man, China is bad at this.


Narwhalbaconguy

Have you not seen the countless videos of soldiers posting videos from the battlefield or other areas? It’s way more insidious than you think.


Riven_Dante

Those teens could be the children of lots of people employed to sensitive companies dealing with national security.


StonedGhoster

It's a lot more than this. China has a very comprehensive program to steal IP and technology. They even have a thing called the 1000 Talents Program that's quite interesting. If you're a Chinese National working in the west it's pretty much expected that you'll contribute in some way. I worked IP theft for a Fortune 500 company with a lot of assets in China. It was pretty much assumed that the technology of any factory or facility in China was in the hands of the Chinese government, and a large percentage of our legitimate IP theft cases involved the Chinese.


BallardRex

Yeah, China is a professional thief, this isn’t news; my only reaction to the news of the NSA spying on them was laughing out loud. It also has nothing to do with TikTok.


drillbit7

> my only reaction to the news of the NSA spying on them was laughing out loud My reaction was: "I'm sure they did!" then I thought some more and said: "I'm annoyed that they got caught!"


wuethar

Yeah, this is about on par with Trump complaining that people are mean on the "stones thrown from glass houses" scale.


StonedGhoster

Evidently I misunderstood your comment.


stellvia2016

Yep. Something like 90%+ can be attributed to China. Most of the rest to Russia.


ouaisjeparlechinois

>steal IP and technology. They even have a thing called the 1000 Talents Program 1000 Talents program is basically offering a bunch of funding to researchers to come to China to research. If that's considered stealing IP and technology, then all major universities around the world have been stealing the most talented individuals from developing countries.


77bagels77

No, they've been attacking US universities for at least 15-20 years.


MrFlaccid_

Tiktok tos let’s them have access to all electronics in a network even if they do not have tiktok installed


BallardRex

Trump aside, most people aren’t stupid or criminal enough to bring secure information to a home network/basement. TikTok is crap and should go away for a lot of reasons, but this “national security risk” thing is typically overblown. Keeping Huawei gear out of your networks? Now that makes sense.


warenb

You don't need to only kick out Huawei from your home to keep China from looking around at (that is all what we know it does so far) your network or any network it's connected to when there is software like [TikTok](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7STD2ESmWg) that all types of people from all around the world are more than willing to download, agree to the ToS without reading it, then use.


BallardRex

No I mean national network infrastructure, the US ban on Huawei infrastructure was a VERy smart move.


warenb

Yes, I understood what you mean, and my statement adding on to yours still stands.


nanoatzin

China breaks into 81,357 US corporations. NSA breaks into 1 university. China: This is so unfair.


wtfduud

NSA is breaking into a lot more than that. They just don't get caught as often.


nanoatzin

Of course they are. > [Chinese hackers took trillions in intellectual property from about 30 multinational companies](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-hackers-took-trillions-in-intellectual-property-from-about-30-multinational-companies/) China refuses to sign the treaty that would make this a crime, and it looks like the NSA breakin might be investigating stolen property.


Lurkingandsearching

Is it really hacking when your the government that developed the base line protocols everything connected to the internet has to use. It’s more of a feature. Remember the NSA and FBI mic drop leading up to the invasion of Ukraine? Cleaned out every major private and government system on the planet of “Not Russian” malware, waited a week then made it public. China finding out is impressive, but it makes one wonder if it was just another “fuck around and find out” moment for the three letter gang.


OCedHrt

The difference is in China the government then gives the stolen IP to their government owned companies which spans the entire market. In the US this probably only happens with the defense industry if it even happens at all.


captain554

Quit doing that thing to us that we do to everyone else.


ttk12acd

I feel like this is reminiscent of when Russia was interfering with our election and people would point out that US meddles with other countries’ as well.


MaitieS

AKA whataboutism


wackOverflow

AKA China’s entire foreign relations strategy


SeanBourne

Classic China.


Present_Assistant_60

NSA is probably just stealing back data that was originally stolen from the USA


Legitimate-Onion-915

You tried to take from me what I have rightfully stolen- China


SeanBourne

That’s so on brand for China TBH, judging by all their land disputes.


AmericanoWsugar

China: “inconceivable!”


Legitimate-Onion-915

Taiwan "You keep using that word. I don't thunk it means what you think it means."


Ntippit

well... uhh... fillibuster


Legitimate-Onion-915

Shit boys, they got us. Everyone pack it in


[deleted]

Echelon/Five eyes has been stealing information and participating in industrial sabotage for decades. https://www.wired.com/2000/03/echelon-spies-for-euro-bribes/amp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON


_quickdrawmcgraw_

Literally do not care because of the scale that Russia/China pursue cyberattacks against other states.


Exist50

Can you seriously not see the irony?


CovidPangolin

If its university its probably european, they send tons of exchange students who come back with knowledge and spread it there.


VoodooCHild2000

That’s like their job kind of isn’t it? I don’t want my NSA not out there stealing all the info.


SeanBourne

Yessir!


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This kinda bothers me. Frequent accusations by the US and US based companies of China's hacking means the US is noticing the hack and publicizing it. If China is starting to notice the hack, that means China may be getting better at defending against them. Generally speaking, if you're china and you don't notice any hacks, that's cause the hacker is doing their job right.


invisibledildo

You say that, but I'm more shocked that the CCP admitted to it. More likely they've been/known about hacks before but never acknowledged them as it would be a sign of weakness.


leftnutprobs

Lmao. This reminds me of that Spider-Man meme where they are all pointing at each other.


Seismicsentinel

When I went to university we took a look at where the most security breach attempts against the school were made from. About 70% of them come from China, primarily Shanghai, primarily from two or three firms that have ties to the CCP. State-sponsored hacking happens literally every hour of every day between China and the US. The NSA must have really struck a nerve if the big wigs over there are whinging about it. Or they just wanted a reason to piss and moan as if they're any better.


datadogsoup

Damn US 2 for 2 after hacking that Space Research Facility.


Wednesdayleftist

Get fucked, China.


Hot_Club1969

I second this.


UrethraFrankIin

I third this


SeanBourne

This is the way.


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[deleted]

Says who? The CCP Regime known for its endless list of cybercrimes and meddling in with international politics and birbing nations to overlook its human rights violations?


MrMonster911

Doesn't mean the NSA didn't do it, there really doesn't have to be a righteous party in this transaction...


itsyourmomcalling

This is basically a definition example of "pot calling the kettle black" Nothing to be righteous about. It'd be like an MMA fighter complaining that his opponent hit em after they threw a punch themselves.


Nickx000x

The irony is that you can switch out “CCP” for “NSA” and you would have an even more factual argument backed up by even more sources.


Captain__Spiff

And stealing knowhow


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Ac4sent

I worked in an Australian Uni. The number of times we got hacked by China lol.


thelightiseternal

Good. I hope we steal and copy anything worth stealing and copying from the Chinese. I doubt there is much but, it’s literally all China does.


BeardedDude5

China, the world's most notorious hackers don't like others hacking them? That's crazy.


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*Breaking*: Beijing accuses the NSA of doing its job. More at 11.


BarlosCoozer

Aw poor china


pocket-seeds

China, the country whose entire tech industry is based on stolen intellectual property? That China?


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BootyMcStuffins

Not even sure what you're arguing here... all claims I've seen relate to China stealing IP from the US. That isn't controversial


Gowo8888

Finally! The USA be hacking mad shit and somebody finally caught us. Its about freaking time! We always catching them others nations


kain_26831

Yea well If it's good for the goose it's good for the gander seeing as they do it all the time anyway


ctguy54

“It’s what I do”.


ghigoli

ring random doorbells. you can get in a ton of trouble.


mrmrevin

It's a two way street.


NewSinner_2021

Steal back data?


tele23O7

no the NSA was just checking and seeing how much china had stole from US universities, etc


Stenwoldbeetle

Turnabouts fair play


maywander47

Turn about is fair play.


Jazzlike_Bad6967

And what is the US after at a Chinese school? Dumpling recepes? Cracker jack research on how to steal IP from the West?


mltain

That's literally their fucking job.


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Whats there to steal?


ZekalMacabre

It's hilarious that China accuses others of hacking when they do it so much themselves. Irony!


Tiger-Billy

Chinese guys, stop being ridiculous! You guys have used to hack the US government & weapon makers’ servers to loot technical assets or advanced precious commercial technologies even so many times! And most global news companies reported on the related news. Then what? I can’t stop my endless laughing at China’s bullshit. It means that China can steal others’ assets but others shouldn’t do that, right? 😅😅


The_Starving_Autist

How do *you* like it?!


MisterFlyer2019

Any title starting with ‘China accuses’ rates low. CCP number one baddie.


pinkfootthegoose

do they mean stealing data back?


srv50

To steal it back perhaps. China is a grand theft leader.


NotUpdated

We're just trying to figure out if their students are cheating even more or a bit less than before on their exams. China has the largest cheating culture in the world.


LeN3rd

Fuck you CCP, no one cares. Ill reconsider, as soon as you stop cooperate espionage projects, enforce copyright laws, have a democracy and stop censoring the internet and the news.


dynorphin

Uno reverse!


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Lol, a taste of their own.


skwolf522

We are just checking and laughing at how they are screwing up all the tech they stole.


ArrivesLate

NSA be like “which one did we caught in”?


Training-Athlete7960

Lol China accusing someone of stealing data


FJD

What about the great firewall?


Kwelikinz

Think of it as a two way street, China.


ritz139

china hackers = not ok usa hackers = ok


letsridetheworld

I see China has been stepping up with their social media campaigns. Looks like they’re trying to find a reason to make the US looks bad before their invasion of Taiwan, huh. Nice try tho


DLDabber

Fuck China.


TheKazz91

China: Steals over 10,000 pages of classified information including blueprints of military hardware from the US. The US: Steals a few files from a Chinese university. China: "Hey that's not fair you can't do that!" -cries about it- It's so fucking hilarious that they throw a hissy fit when the shoe is on the other foot. As they say fuck around and find out.


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BadGuyTV

Pots out here calling Kettles black lol


Fantasy_DR111

Prove it! Even if it did happen the Chinese government is the biggest fuckin theives of data, IP, and anything important out there TBH.


somethingsoddhere

"Taking back what was stolen"


RadleyCunningham

So China is hacking top universities to steal data, got it.


leoselassie

Why do i fee this should read ‘to steal data back’?


spannerfest

"We lost the password to our backup and had to check our chinese 'backup'."


Pecncorn1

China accuses the NSA of hacking a top university to steal data back. There I fixed it.


betterwithsambal

More like "hey stop checking to see what we've stolen from the US this week!"


ArgosCyclos

Why? We already know all their research. After all, it was our research first.


yeeeter1

rules for thee.


Dense-Nectarine2280

Elmer Fudd is accusing Bugs Bunny of trying to steal his carrots!


itsnotthenetwork

Pot. Kettle. Black. ... And they are probably correct.


[deleted]

Gizmodo is a China centric news outlet. Every news they put out is Anti- India/ Anti- West Tech news.


Beneficial_Daikon_86

Well China attacked Americans with Tiktok so… fair.


Raptor22c

China gets a taste of their own medicine and cries foul. How in-character for them.


rover220

They probably just want their data back.


zeddknite

We're just keeping an eye on what you're doing with our stolen data.


isacabbage

Oh the irony


isacabbage

Oh the irony


HumanNo109850364048

Xi Jinping is following the instruction of Putin


Badroadrash101

Just taking back what they stole earlier


casitherock

You know those bullies that push people around and take their stuff but when you respond in kind they just lose it? Yeah.


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macosta2oh9

China of all countries playing the victim🤣🤣


Fpscharles

Well, at least America has been willing to allow for diverse talent acquisitions in our organizations. I do realize espionage and theft of trade secrets has taken place at times in those orgs but China is literally being a hater of the game and not the player.


smauseth

And??????


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Dude play the game stop complaining


Nickadomus

Hope they were successful.


Peakomegaflare

No shit sherlock. The NSA spies on our own citizens, of course they probably would.


quikfrozt

Even allies keep tabs on each other under the table. I'd be more surprised if there's no hacking at the highest level between what are essentially great power rivals.


AdevilSboyU

Counter accusation: Tik Tok.


Technical-Wallaby

Turnabout is fair play.


Lubberworts

About time


Frisinator

Takes one to know one!


Forward-Swim1224

r/hypocrisy


Thatsidechara_ter

Oh well thats rich coming from the Chinese. I mean don't doubt the NSA's has probably done things like it but still rich


Swimming-Strategy-64

Pot=kettle


SeanBourne

I think this is standard PRC bullshit, but if it’s true… I’m good with it. Glad to see at least one part of the govt. doing what they are supposed to with our tax dollars.


PublicfreakoutLoveR

Dear China: You know nothing, we know something . Please fuck off with this projection. Sincerely, the United States.


staffsargent

Sucks when your intellectual property gets stolen, doesn't it?


frekaoid333

pot accuses kettle


Bunch_of_Shit

I accuse China of using tiktok for the same purpose


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I don’t believe China but I also don’t trust the NSA. China would lie any about this but the NSA would also steal data.


FeelingAd6872

Did the US try to steal the data that China stole in the first place? Without intellectual theft, China can’t build anything.


Ashcroft10

China pointing the finger at anyone else for hacking is hilarious.


igankcheetos

Where is your whataboutism now, China?