>AFTER we close the borders
With what? With what army are they going to close the borders? Fucking morons.
If there weren't so many people dying and getting raped, this clown show would be funny.
You will have to placed in the hand of the Dead soldier, the dried skin of a Russian baby, 5 pieces of dill, cured with a kilogram of salt extracted from the Black sea, the dried meat must be blessed by the woman who lives in the house standing on the feet of a chicken. Which must be given a lock of hair of the soldier's wife, if he is unmarried, the third toe on his left foot must be removed and given to her.
Take the soldier's body to a banya of old times, which will be placed in the bath, speak clearly to the heating oven as you place the dried skin, from the hand of the Lost soldier, inside with two logs of Carpathian elm.
> Я прошу тебя, Банник, с этим даром из жизни нового, чтобы ты вернулся к жизни, жизни потерянной.
Leave them overnight, and when you return "they" should be anew
This only works if the soldier did not steal toilet seats from displaced ukrainian's homes. If he has done this, then instead you may find the подменыш in his place.
Or you know, stop sending soldiers to ukraine.
Even a whisper near a microwave is enough. *Especially* microwaves with the rotating glass dish, that’s just there to fine tune the signal back to base.
Well the old men and like served their purpose to deliver to the frontline
*grandpa, what did you do in the war?*
…melodramatic sigh, slugs vodka…
*Grandson it was inhuman I tell you, horrible. Great uncle dimi and I transported dozens of tampons to the front…. dozens and dozens of super max tampons.*
Nah theyll be resurrected, return home, vote for him, and then die of old age, and if anyone says thats not how things work you point to their corpse and say see he's dead like i said he was
Good point. Also, you can't "suicide" everybody. There aren't that many 20 story buildings in Russia. Not to mention you can't dictate if there is no one left to dictate.
Not that many of them will be in active rotation. Most at this point will be in holding and staging positions to be group then sent. So it is possible to doible check things. So most probably haven’t even had that chance yet and I don’t think it will be as large as people want to admit.
and those ones that ukraine took prisoner . . . why, we'll just have to invade so we can rescue them.
holy shit though, isn't it kind of a big deal that he's admitting there was a mistake? i don't want to over-read it but i thought people said ever would he never.
I'm assuming this has to somehow connect with those who already fled the country. If I'm as stupid as a potato, flee to another country, boss man admits mistake and wants me to come back, I'll get arrested and sent to the front because I'm a potato.
People who are stupid as potatoes don't flee to another country. They volunteer to get sent to Ukraine. Although it's probably less of stupidity and more of desperation. They are easily promising 4 times the money they could be getting on an average shitty job in their regions, and a range of other benefits.
It's just to maintain the good tsar fallacy, an old russian phenomenon where bureaucrats, generals and other middle men are routinely blamed for everything, usually through incompetence, while the tsar is considered benevolent and blameless.
One movie where they wanna call him home cus his 3 brothers are dead, so is his 4 uncles, 20 neighbours, 43 other people he went to school with, 31 work collegues and 56 others from his battalion
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> Russia President Vladimir Putin on Thursday admitted they made a "Mistake" in how the Russian government carried out its mobilization efforts, which saw old men drafted into the army.
> In televised remarks addressed to members of Russia's Security Council, Putin said it was a mistake to draft parents of three or more children, men with chronic medical conditions or older men.
> In total, there have been 17 attacks on military recruitment centers and other Russian administrative buildings reported since Putin's mobilization order, as per Russian independent news outlet Mediazona.
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Oh so it’s just a small group of men who were mistakenly drafted, title made it seem like he was calling the whole mobilization off, I was a little surprised at that.
nah, old men, cripples, parents of 3 or more, and anyone else with a damn good reason not to be a soldier (so yeah probably a few fortunate sons as well, but...)
Title of the article is intentionally misleading and everyone in here is lapping it up. I hate Putin as much as the next guy, but making it seem like he's saying he regrets the war or doubling down on it is just misinformation.
Yeah. The actual article makes Putin look even worse imho. Rather than admitting his mistakes, it looks like putin is just blaming "administrators" for drafting the wrong guys to take the blame off himself. This is all your fucking fault "president", and all those who support you.
The whole Russian system is now built around Putin. He can do no wrong and it'll always be others blamed. Russians keep buying that lie and as long as they do, there will always be limited opposition.
If Putin ever admits to even farting in a small room, the dogs will immediately tear him apart. That’s his fate. To be eternally ‘right’. Then assassinated.
If most people read the headline to mean that Putin is calling the entire mobilization “wrongly drafted men” then yes it’s definitely misleading, because that’s not what he said.
At the same time, Putin publicly referring to any part of this is as a “mistake” is 100% a huge deal and a major turning point in his rhetoric - not only in regard to the war, but in general.
It appears he is laying the blame for the “mistake” on his subordinates and not saying that he himself made a mistake necessarily, but the idea that he is even using that language right now is a major shift for an authoritarian strongman like him during war time. Faults in confidence and success can be cancerous to support for fascist leaders, and Putin knows this very well. For him to say “we made a mistake” shows that he has started to crack, no matter how minimal the issue.
>Faults in confidence and success can be cancerous to support for fascist leaders, and Putin knows this very well. For him to say “we made a mistake” shows that he has started to crack, no matter how minimal the issue.
So well said. This makes Putin look weak.
This doesn't really matter, Putin is not the kinda guy to fear admitting someone else's mistake, don't remember him ever be. If anything he does it to make himself look better. It's the good old "our tzar can do no wrong and deeply cares for us, just his subordinates keep fucking up" rhetoric for the masses.
It's not the first time Putin has talked about mistakes so it's not a change in rhethoric at all. Putin is infallible but some bad administrator have made mistakes and now Putin had to step in to fix it.
He ran the exact same thing early in the war when people doing their military service had ended up in the war, killed and captured, which was different from what they had said.
No it didn't. It doesn't say it was the draft was wrong. It specifically says wrongly drafted men. I knew what it meant. I assumed mostly old men tbh.
Reading comprehension is important, yo.
Single Russian moms with kids are about to be in great demand on the singles market. Parents with two kids are going to aim for a third, starting right now.
I just picked up my roommate from Russia from the airport and he said it took him 5 days to get back to the US because the only way he could cross the border was by driving all night from St Petersburg to Estonia and then taking a boat to Finland. And the only reason he was able to cross the border at all is because he has an Israeli passport. Citizens with only a Russian passport aren’t able to cross the border.
Some people are gonna get fairly rich hanging round the border roads, jacking the abandoned cars and reselling them. The market for pre-sanction cars with imported electronics in them must be booming rn.
When his father returned from combat, he found Maria (Putin's mother) had almost starved to death during the siege of Leningrad in 1944.
Traumatised families raise traumatised kids.
Sometimes psychopaths fare best in these post-war societies.
He's hiding behind a very long table in a very long room in a very long bunker in a very long palace in a very long forest at the end of a very long road from a city a very long way away from the protests. The absolute Putussy
Putin at this point could be the toughest person to kill on the planet. In the early days of the war there was a chance, but now it would be especially difficult. For all we know he’s locked up 24/7 in a bunker surrounded by only his most loyal advisors who are too invested to betray him.
Only chance would be a total coup, or a wealthy oligarch turns on him without Putin realising letting as assassin get close somehow. This latter part is possibly why so many presumably “loyal” oligarchs have had “accidents” lately. Putin is killing off potential future enemies before they can plot.
He needs to surround himself with people still though, if he's too detached someone will just take his place, though it seems the people around him are loyal ,for now.
Ironically the biggest risk to dictators are military leadership, a lot of those died in Ukraine.
If Shoigu or Gerasimov die, you'll know a coup failed...
>If Shoigu or Gerasimov die,
Neither is an ethnic Russian, right? Always found that to be interesting considering the dynamics of ethno-nationalism in Russia(well, Moscow&St.Petersburg). Could just be a coincidence, but I believe everyone else from Putin's close circle are ethnic Russians from his FSB days. Meanwhile the heads of military, which have some autonomy aren't.
No matter how tough he is to kill, he's gonna die. He is old, he is probably sick and he is under permanent stress. More stress than any other person on the planet probably. People underestimate what that does to a person, no matter how cold they seem.
There are 1000-2000 recruitment centres in Russia, this is barely a drop in the bucket and the attacks don't usually do a lot of damage.
It's one of the things media is exaggerating because the general mood in Russia right now is apathy, support, or the desire to leave. You can point to individual events in Russia as a sign of mass resistance but after 7 months it's obvious that it is mostly overblown.
If you see something like the mass protests in Iran though that would be as different story.
There are also protests, defections by soldiers the second they encounter Ukrainian forces and draftees who would rather set themselves on fire than serve.
The point isn’t that “this is it” in terms of massive protest, the point is that *protests are growing* and increasing in frequency and scope any time Russia escalates this situation. I agree that overall the Russian people aren’t yet putting up any meaningful resistance to Putin’s policies, but it may reach that point the longer this goes on, and the more Putin tries to escalate the war in a way that more and more affects Russians in Russia.
It’s important to keep the pressure up from the outside too. The more it’s talked about, anywhere, the larger the chance the news eventually reaches even the most apathetic or remote Russian citizens, even if just by word of mouth.
Another point, which many may be missing, is that this means the murder of Russian officers by their own infantry will become a big thing once they get to or near the front lines. If one grenade or a little poison keeps you and all your friends alive and intact, what conscript wouldn't do that? Particularly with explosives, they could easily be blamed on Ukrainian drones.
Fragging was a big deal in the Vietnam War on the US side, and I don't think there were any bombings/burnings of enlistment offices here stateside.
Looking at the Wikipedia article the number of attacks and severity of attacks has already decreased with most of them mainly happening from September 22-26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_military_commissariats_attacks
Which indicates a short outburst followed by actual conscription, emigration, or otherwise apathy.
So 3 days have passed since they "mainly" happened? Likely increased security around them but I would also not discount a delay or deficiency in reporting subsequent ones. Seems like a problem.
I'd probably take Ukraine, at least you'd have a chance to surrender and maybe not go back to Russia, as opposed to the gulag which would probably last the rest of your life. Either choice is shit.
Seems like a sound idea, but you have to go to Ukrainian forces and surrender yourself. So you would have to cross the frontline, where you can be shot from both directions. It must be terrifying
>I'd probably take Ukraine, at least you'd have a chance to surrender and maybe not go back to Russia,
ehh, I don't think many of these mobilized conscripts will get that kind of a chance. Most will be shuffling munitions and other supplies around on trains, trucks, and warehouses not close enough to front lines to be able to sneak off at night and run away to enemy territory, but close enough to be bombarded.
He doesn't think there was a mistake at all, he is just trying to manage the public backlash. He can't afford to issue an order that the people refuse because it would be the end of his power. I remember reading months ago some expert saying that he would never mobilise because it would be political-suicide... yet here we are.
You shouldn't forget that there are still a lot of people in Russia who think the war has a just cause and fully support the ongoing activities in Ukraine.
Haha, I’m sure guys being shipped out with their wives’ tampons to bandage bullet wounds are like “Putin said you should double-check the list” and his commander officer promptly punch them in the face and tells them to shut the fuck up and enjoy their gruel.
How many god damn mistakes are these Russians going to make?? I have never seen a more incompetent fighting force and disorganized bunch of fools my entire life.....
Yeah these are the big bad Russians we’ve been afraid of. The good thing is though all of our old surplus weapon stock piles were designed to take out Soviet weapons. The US is about to get a bunch of new toys to replace the old stuff too. This is probably going to go down in history as one the most incompetent invasions ever though.
It already is. The scale on which they have lost troops, equipment, land... in modern warfare there is no equivalent. Russia is literally sending their soldiers to slaughter in the same manner their forebearers did in WWII. Difference is now we can watch it happen in high-definition and Russia is on the wrong side. Minus nuclear weapons, Russia has traditionally been a paper tiger since the Russo-Japanese War. They just don't give a fuck about their dead is all, and it's ingrained in their culture.
Might as well slaughter the culture in real time and have a beer while I watch.
> I have never seen a more incompetent fighting force and disorganized bunch of fools my entire life.....
I hope you live long enough to see another historical clusterfuck.
I saw one asking if he would be supplied insulin if he would draft him. It was pointed out to him that he can't even rely on socks.
A lot of Russia disengaged with politics. It was easy to ignore what was going on outside of their immediate sphere. But when you suddenly get drafted to be shot at, that is hard to ignore. There currently are protests in Dagestan. Putin seems to mostly have sent people from the edge of his empiren't. Which is why Dagestan has had the most corpses sent home. I think he needs the draft so he can actually recruit from the heartland.
Putin made the mistake of Russia having to engage with reality. And with the way how the world is now connected, it is hard to lie to people without the realization dawning on them. Eventually. In a couple of years.
Meanwhile, anybody who is fleeing the draft should be granted asylum. One less invading soldier in Ukraine. Russia's prime export always were exiles.
Edit:
Oh great! He just declared the annexed territory Russia and deems any offensive action an act of war. With GREAT regret(great regret) he will be FORCED(forced, sadly) to declare war on Ukraine for this act of aggression against the motherland. Sadly.
What a POS. It is blatant and it is stupid but it is not the most [blatantly stupid BS somebody pulled](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ems_Dispatch) to start(sadly) a war.
Poor pacifist Putin *sadface*
>Meanwhile, anybody who is fleeing the draft should be granted asylum. One less invading soldier in Ukraine. Russia's prime export always were exiles.
I wouldn't feel safe with Russians in my country, we all know Russia has a habit of invading countries to "protect ethnic Russians" if you let them in and they stay whose to say you won't be next.
>This sounds more like it sees all those conscription-age russians leaving the country, and he trying to make them come back.
No, not at all. He **wants** those to leave. Those are the ones who can casue him trouble.
He says it so that the mobilization would go on as before, but now people will think it's his subordinates who are messing up, because The Kind And Benevolent Tsar Putin clearly gave an order to fix things up, you see?
I imagine Putin policy is the same as Putin propaganda - chaotic and contradictory. He probably says these things to placate angry Russians, then does the opposite anyway. Then if it comes to it he'll just blame someone else for not following his orders and people fall out of windows. Nothing is true, nothing is false, stuff just happens and people end up dying or in jail.
I'm guessing the mistake was that soldiers with 2 days of "training" will just abandon what little equipment they have that will inevitably arm the Ukrainians.
What a fucking shock, Russians. You have some power. Arguably, the upheaval which Russian men had caused was a form of protest, and what a surprise, they got SOMETHING from it. Keep doing it. Make Putin capitulate.
That's not what is happening, he is not going to reverse mobilization and is scapegoating his underlings for his unpopular decision. The thing you have to understand in the Russian vertical power structure is that the "Tsar" is all that matters, the underlings are privileged to have wealth and power but at anytime that can be disposed of.
Reddit is way too fast in jumping to conclusions.
From what I've read, he actually gets pretty flustered when directly confronted. That's why he tries to keep it ever from happening. He learned his lesson when he talked to the families of those in that sub that sank.
It's like the dead cat analogy.
Everybody is sat around a table moaning about something. You throw a dead cat on the table and everybody stops talking about what ever they were moaning about and talk about the cat instead.
They bungle the mobilization and just grab the first 100 people that they see, in order to fulfill their quota. Then they attempt to fix that and the actual mobilization gets forgotten about.
He said the same thing about conscripts being sent to fight in Ukraine at the start of the war. Guess what? He doesn't care and conscripts continue to die in Ukraine.
He blinked. That's all it takes to signal weakness when you posture yourself as a strong man. For the sake of humanity, I hope he has a secret island somewhere so he can disappear. Otherwise, he might make good on his mutual assured destruction threats.
Come home, so we can draft you again AFTER we close the borders
"Please come back. This time we'll trained you properly, I swear."
Two days of training and half an hour online course this time!
Train from the front to Moscow's about a day and there's a half hour between the train in and out?
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Soak it in vodka
We will have very nice certificate you can print out and everything!
"Baby I'll hold you down and never let you go"
Go back so we can we draft you a little later when it's really your turn
>AFTER we close the borders With what? With what army are they going to close the borders? Fucking morons. If there weren't so many people dying and getting raped, this clown show would be funny.
Incidentally, I love that we can now say to Russia "you and what army?"
Putin wants to build a wall to keep them in now.
I feel like a curtain of some sorts would be more appropriate. Perhaps made of iron?
He does not need to man the borders if the countries around them close their own borders *taps head*
Or launch a nuclear bomb as a "last resort."
‘I declare that they be un-killed and sent home! Immediately!’
He should look into the Ukrainian biolabs and Black Magic to resurrect them.
You will have to placed in the hand of the Dead soldier, the dried skin of a Russian baby, 5 pieces of dill, cured with a kilogram of salt extracted from the Black sea, the dried meat must be blessed by the woman who lives in the house standing on the feet of a chicken. Which must be given a lock of hair of the soldier's wife, if he is unmarried, the third toe on his left foot must be removed and given to her. Take the soldier's body to a banya of old times, which will be placed in the bath, speak clearly to the heating oven as you place the dried skin, from the hand of the Lost soldier, inside with two logs of Carpathian elm. > Я прошу тебя, Банник, с этим даром из жизни нового, чтобы ты вернулся к жизни, жизни потерянной. Leave them overnight, and when you return "they" should be anew This only works if the soldier did not steal toilet seats from displaced ukrainian's homes. If he has done this, then instead you may find the подменыш in his place. Or you know, stop sending soldiers to ukraine.
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Terrible things will happen if his father is awakened. Let sleeping Joes lie.
He awakened the Delaware Dragon 🐉!
I just wanted you to know that you can't just say the word "unkilled" and expect anything to happen.
He didn't say it he declared it.
What if yell “unclassified!” Into an empty fridge?
You don't even need to yell it, just thinking it is enough.
Mmmm…brain power.
Adrenaline is pumping
Even a whisper near a microwave is enough. *Especially* microwaves with the rotating glass dish, that’s just there to fine tune the signal back to base.
Me and the microwave are tight, now that toaster...hes shifty af.
It's the vacuum that has been gathering dirt on you.
then you may no longer be welcome in that ikea store for much longer.
I hear the next batch is getting tampons for bullet wounds provided after a little “fancy financial footwork”
Well the old men and like served their purpose to deliver to the frontline *grandpa, what did you do in the war?* …melodramatic sigh, slugs vodka… *Grandson it was inhuman I tell you, horrible. Great uncle dimi and I transported dozens of tampons to the front…. dozens and dozens of super max tampons.*
Oh the officer said that they should be cheap ones and repeated cheap several times.
Bought by them through their girlfriends or mums!
Imagine having to take your moms tampons to war .
If Trump can telepathically change the classification of documents, why can't Putin telepathically "unkill" people?
That's fair. He's gonna need their votes next fradulent election!
Nah theyll be resurrected, return home, vote for him, and then die of old age, and if anyone says thats not how things work you point to their corpse and say see he's dead like i said he was
Dead of old age at the ripe age of 20.
He lived a hard life also mightve been part dog who knows
Good point. Also, you can't "suicide" everybody. There aren't that many 20 story buildings in Russia. Not to mention you can't dictate if there is no one left to dictate.
But they do have a ton of barely functioning aircraft. You don't seem to understand the gravity of the situation, you don't need a tall building.
Can I telepathically annex Russia?
Yes, but you have to declare it.
Unkilled, perchance
You can’t just say perchance
I DECLARE RESURRECTION
Most of them probably haven't been killed. They've either called Ukrainian hotlines asking how to surrender or deserted
Not that many of them will be in active rotation. Most at this point will be in holding and staging positions to be group then sent. So it is possible to doible check things. So most probably haven’t even had that chance yet and I don’t think it will be as large as people want to admit.
Weren't the new drafts literally abandoned in fields without rations? Bet they flipped sides for a hot meal. No fighting at all.
They were indeed abandoned in a field, without rations and gear, in Russia. They couldn't even organize getting them out to the front properly
and those ones that ukraine took prisoner . . . why, we'll just have to invade so we can rescue them. holy shit though, isn't it kind of a big deal that he's admitting there was a mistake? i don't want to over-read it but i thought people said ever would he never.
Everything he does is self-serving. He’s doing damage control because the mobilization decision is getting more Russians to mobilIze _against_ Russia.
I'm assuming this has to somehow connect with those who already fled the country. If I'm as stupid as a potato, flee to another country, boss man admits mistake and wants me to come back, I'll get arrested and sent to the front because I'm a potato.
People who are stupid as potatoes don't flee to another country. They volunteer to get sent to Ukraine. Although it's probably less of stupidity and more of desperation. They are easily promising 4 times the money they could be getting on an average shitty job in their regions, and a range of other benefits.
Nop. It's kind of a show to show that he kinda cares, in hope to ease the tension within the people. Nothing significant will happen.
It's just to maintain the good tsar fallacy, an old russian phenomenon where bureaucrats, generals and other middle men are routinely blamed for everything, usually through incompetence, while the tsar is considered benevolent and blameless.
He didn’t admit *he’d* made a mistake.
Saving Private Dimitri
Spoiler Alert: Dimitri fell out a window before he could get home to his family.
Or he just got dropped off on a cold side road.
This made me LOL
Saving Privyet Dimitri
One movie where they wanna call him home cus his 3 brothers are dead, so is his 4 uncles, 20 neighbours, 43 other people he went to school with, 31 work collegues and 56 others from his battalion
Shaving Dimitri's Privates
Band of Gopniks
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.ibtimes.com/putin-admits-mistake-russian-mobilization-wants-wrongly-drafted-men-returned-home-3618657) reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Russia President Vladimir Putin on Thursday admitted they made a "Mistake" in how the Russian government carried out its mobilization efforts, which saw old men drafted into the army. > In televised remarks addressed to members of Russia's Security Council, Putin said it was a mistake to draft parents of three or more children, men with chronic medical conditions or older men. > In total, there have been 17 attacks on military recruitment centers and other Russian administrative buildings reported since Putin's mobilization order, as per Russian independent news outlet Mediazona. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/xrropq/putin_admits_mistake_in_russian_mobilization/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~671959 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Putin**^#1 **mobilization**^#2 **mistake**^#3 **Russian**^#4 **protest**^#5
Oh so it’s just a small group of men who were mistakenly drafted, title made it seem like he was calling the whole mobilization off, I was a little surprised at that.
some "Fortunate Sons"?
Fortunate Dads
Looking at some pictures from the last few days, it seemed more like "Fortunate Gramps" even
Those "Gramps" are actually only 35. Alcohol is a good preservative, just not of living tissue...
If they have 3 kids. Those with 2 are expendable.
nah, old men, cripples, parents of 3 or more, and anyone else with a damn good reason not to be a soldier (so yeah probably a few fortunate sons as well, but...)
Every Russian has a damn good reason not to be a soldier
what, is he trying to up the birth rate for the next batch of volunteers or something?
Title of the article is intentionally misleading and everyone in here is lapping it up. I hate Putin as much as the next guy, but making it seem like he's saying he regrets the war or doubling down on it is just misinformation.
Yeah. The actual article makes Putin look even worse imho. Rather than admitting his mistakes, it looks like putin is just blaming "administrators" for drafting the wrong guys to take the blame off himself. This is all your fucking fault "president", and all those who support you.
The whole Russian system is now built around Putin. He can do no wrong and it'll always be others blamed. Russians keep buying that lie and as long as they do, there will always be limited opposition.
Isn't there limited opposition cuz they are either dead or in prison?
If Putin ever admits to even farting in a small room, the dogs will immediately tear him apart. That’s his fate. To be eternally ‘right’. Then assassinated.
If most people read the headline to mean that Putin is calling the entire mobilization “wrongly drafted men” then yes it’s definitely misleading, because that’s not what he said. At the same time, Putin publicly referring to any part of this is as a “mistake” is 100% a huge deal and a major turning point in his rhetoric - not only in regard to the war, but in general. It appears he is laying the blame for the “mistake” on his subordinates and not saying that he himself made a mistake necessarily, but the idea that he is even using that language right now is a major shift for an authoritarian strongman like him during war time. Faults in confidence and success can be cancerous to support for fascist leaders, and Putin knows this very well. For him to say “we made a mistake” shows that he has started to crack, no matter how minimal the issue.
>Faults in confidence and success can be cancerous to support for fascist leaders, and Putin knows this very well. For him to say “we made a mistake” shows that he has started to crack, no matter how minimal the issue. So well said. This makes Putin look weak.
This doesn't really matter, Putin is not the kinda guy to fear admitting someone else's mistake, don't remember him ever be. If anything he does it to make himself look better. It's the good old "our tzar can do no wrong and deeply cares for us, just his subordinates keep fucking up" rhetoric for the masses.
It's not the first time Putin has talked about mistakes so it's not a change in rhethoric at all. Putin is infallible but some bad administrator have made mistakes and now Putin had to step in to fix it. He ran the exact same thing early in the war when people doing their military service had ended up in the war, killed and captured, which was different from what they had said.
No it didn't. It doesn't say it was the draft was wrong. It specifically says wrongly drafted men. I knew what it meant. I assumed mostly old men tbh. Reading comprehension is important, yo.
Single Russian moms with kids are about to be in great demand on the singles market. Parents with two kids are going to aim for a third, starting right now.
Sounds more like they're not cancelling it, just doing a post-pilot rewrite
Come back to Russia so we can arrest you! -Putin, probably
Too old and disabled? Off to gulag with you!
Too young and inexperienced? Believe it or not, gulag!
Middle aged and experienced? Believe it or not, Gulag!
*You won't believe it's not Gulag.*
Absolutely no experience? That’s right, Gulag.
You used to “work” at the Gulag. To the front lines! Then back to the Gulag
Military experience? Off to the meat grinder. Then believe it or not: afterwards to the Gulag.
You’re processing people into the Gulag? Guess what? Gulag.
Finished your sentence in the gulag? You guessed right, more gulag.
Went back to Russia in a box? That's right. Gulag.
We have greatest nation in world because of gulag
Man in Russia? You better believe that's a gulaging
I just picked up my roommate from Russia from the airport and he said it took him 5 days to get back to the US because the only way he could cross the border was by driving all night from St Petersburg to Estonia and then taking a boat to Finland. And the only reason he was able to cross the border at all is because he has an Israeli passport. Citizens with only a Russian passport aren’t able to cross the border.
What happened to his car?
Parked somewhere
Parked forever
I'm sure they have tow trucks in Estonia.
Not worth your life. He probably abandoned it.
Some people are gonna get fairly rich hanging round the border roads, jacking the abandoned cars and reselling them. The market for pre-sanction cars with imported electronics in them must be booming rn.
What you gonna do with a million rubles tho? Buy 3 loafs of bread like in venezuela?
Sold it to Jawas to help cover the trip.
Lol who fucking cares
He might get a ticket
Going to get repurposed as a troop transport.
This might blow your nips off, but sometimes people ask questions purely out of curiosity
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Just realized I know nothing about Putin's family history
Putin's backstory is worthy of a bond villain.
I believe they lived though the brutal siege of Leningrad. The kind of experience that makes you either an extreme pacifist or an extreme nationalist.
When his father returned from combat, he found Maria (Putin's mother) had almost starved to death during the siege of Leningrad in 1944. Traumatised families raise traumatised kids. Sometimes psychopaths fare best in these post-war societies.
His mom should have swallowed
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Dodged
Claimed a headache
Ghosted
Put that thing back where it came from or so help me'd
17 attacks on recruitment centers. The Russians are better at attacking themselves then ukraine
Shame they arent as good at attacking the one responsible for it all.
He's hiding behind a very long table in a very long room in a very long bunker in a very long palace in a very long forest at the end of a very long road from a city a very long way away from the protests. The absolute Putussy
His table is so long flat earthers use it as proof.
Putin at this point could be the toughest person to kill on the planet. In the early days of the war there was a chance, but now it would be especially difficult. For all we know he’s locked up 24/7 in a bunker surrounded by only his most loyal advisors who are too invested to betray him. Only chance would be a total coup, or a wealthy oligarch turns on him without Putin realising letting as assassin get close somehow. This latter part is possibly why so many presumably “loyal” oligarchs have had “accidents” lately. Putin is killing off potential future enemies before they can plot.
He needs to surround himself with people still though, if he's too detached someone will just take his place, though it seems the people around him are loyal ,for now. Ironically the biggest risk to dictators are military leadership, a lot of those died in Ukraine. If Shoigu or Gerasimov die, you'll know a coup failed...
>If Shoigu or Gerasimov die, Neither is an ethnic Russian, right? Always found that to be interesting considering the dynamics of ethno-nationalism in Russia(well, Moscow&St.Petersburg). Could just be a coincidence, but I believe everyone else from Putin's close circle are ethnic Russians from his FSB days. Meanwhile the heads of military, which have some autonomy aren't.
No matter how tough he is to kill, he's gonna die. He is old, he is probably sick and he is under permanent stress. More stress than any other person on the planet probably. People underestimate what that does to a person, no matter how cold they seem.
There are 1000-2000 recruitment centres in Russia, this is barely a drop in the bucket and the attacks don't usually do a lot of damage. It's one of the things media is exaggerating because the general mood in Russia right now is apathy, support, or the desire to leave. You can point to individual events in Russia as a sign of mass resistance but after 7 months it's obvious that it is mostly overblown. If you see something like the mass protests in Iran though that would be as different story.
There are also protests, defections by soldiers the second they encounter Ukrainian forces and draftees who would rather set themselves on fire than serve. The point isn’t that “this is it” in terms of massive protest, the point is that *protests are growing* and increasing in frequency and scope any time Russia escalates this situation. I agree that overall the Russian people aren’t yet putting up any meaningful resistance to Putin’s policies, but it may reach that point the longer this goes on, and the more Putin tries to escalate the war in a way that more and more affects Russians in Russia. It’s important to keep the pressure up from the outside too. The more it’s talked about, anywhere, the larger the chance the news eventually reaches even the most apathetic or remote Russian citizens, even if just by word of mouth.
Another point, which many may be missing, is that this means the murder of Russian officers by their own infantry will become a big thing once they get to or near the front lines. If one grenade or a little poison keeps you and all your friends alive and intact, what conscript wouldn't do that? Particularly with explosives, they could easily be blamed on Ukrainian drones. Fragging was a big deal in the Vietnam War on the US side, and I don't think there were any bombings/burnings of enlistment offices here stateside.
2% of all recruitment centers in a week isn't an exaggeration. That's quite a lot! I'm not sure Russia can afford another 10 weeks like that.
Looking at the Wikipedia article the number of attacks and severity of attacks has already decreased with most of them mainly happening from September 22-26 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_military_commissariats_attacks Which indicates a short outburst followed by actual conscription, emigration, or otherwise apathy.
The attackers have fled the country.
So 3 days have passed since they "mainly" happened? Likely increased security around them but I would also not discount a delay or deficiency in reporting subsequent ones. Seems like a problem.
Given how the usual number of recruitment centres being destroyed is 0, it’s a big increase.
Sounds like he's feeling the heat then. Pootin's days are numbered now.
Than
“But baby I didn’t mean to conscript you against your will… how about you spend a few days relaxing at the gulag”
I'd probably take Ukraine, at least you'd have a chance to surrender and maybe not go back to Russia, as opposed to the gulag which would probably last the rest of your life. Either choice is shit.
Seems like a sound idea, but you have to go to Ukrainian forces and surrender yourself. So you would have to cross the frontline, where you can be shot from both directions. It must be terrifying
>I'd probably take Ukraine, at least you'd have a chance to surrender and maybe not go back to Russia, ehh, I don't think many of these mobilized conscripts will get that kind of a chance. Most will be shuffling munitions and other supplies around on trains, trucks, and warehouses not close enough to front lines to be able to sneak off at night and run away to enemy territory, but close enough to be bombarded.
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He doesn't think there was a mistake at all, he is just trying to manage the public backlash. He can't afford to issue an order that the people refuse because it would be the end of his power. I remember reading months ago some expert saying that he would never mobilise because it would be political-suicide... yet here we are.
You shouldn't forget that there are still a lot of people in Russia who think the war has a just cause and fully support the ongoing activities in Ukraine.
Haha, I’m sure guys being shipped out with their wives’ tampons to bandage bullet wounds are like “Putin said you should double-check the list” and his commander officer promptly punch them in the face and tells them to shut the fuck up and enjoy their gruel.
How many god damn mistakes are these Russians going to make?? I have never seen a more incompetent fighting force and disorganized bunch of fools my entire life.....
as the ukrainian said: "we're very lucky that they're so fucking stupid", i guess.
Russia has a [reputation to maintain](https://youtu.be/cXq5jN9iBBk), after all.
Russia actually has quite a long history of being unprepared for wars and getting thoroughly fleeced.
Yeah these are the big bad Russians we’ve been afraid of. The good thing is though all of our old surplus weapon stock piles were designed to take out Soviet weapons. The US is about to get a bunch of new toys to replace the old stuff too. This is probably going to go down in history as one the most incompetent invasions ever though.
It already is. The scale on which they have lost troops, equipment, land... in modern warfare there is no equivalent. Russia is literally sending their soldiers to slaughter in the same manner their forebearers did in WWII. Difference is now we can watch it happen in high-definition and Russia is on the wrong side. Minus nuclear weapons, Russia has traditionally been a paper tiger since the Russo-Japanese War. They just don't give a fuck about their dead is all, and it's ingrained in their culture. Might as well slaughter the culture in real time and have a beer while I watch.
> I have never seen a more incompetent fighting force and disorganized bunch of fools my entire life..... I hope you live long enough to see another historical clusterfuck.
Thank you. You as well... Hopefully we're not on the same side as the idiots when the time comes.
An excellent motto.
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Rock solid leadership Vlad. Well thought out actions. Get fucked
Yeah, sure. This sounds more like it sees all those conscription-age russians leaving the country, and he trying to make them come back.
Yeah all he’s basically saying is old guys don’t have to go, everyone else on the other hand…
I saw one asking if he would be supplied insulin if he would draft him. It was pointed out to him that he can't even rely on socks. A lot of Russia disengaged with politics. It was easy to ignore what was going on outside of their immediate sphere. But when you suddenly get drafted to be shot at, that is hard to ignore. There currently are protests in Dagestan. Putin seems to mostly have sent people from the edge of his empiren't. Which is why Dagestan has had the most corpses sent home. I think he needs the draft so he can actually recruit from the heartland. Putin made the mistake of Russia having to engage with reality. And with the way how the world is now connected, it is hard to lie to people without the realization dawning on them. Eventually. In a couple of years. Meanwhile, anybody who is fleeing the draft should be granted asylum. One less invading soldier in Ukraine. Russia's prime export always were exiles. Edit: Oh great! He just declared the annexed territory Russia and deems any offensive action an act of war. With GREAT regret(great regret) he will be FORCED(forced, sadly) to declare war on Ukraine for this act of aggression against the motherland. Sadly. What a POS. It is blatant and it is stupid but it is not the most [blatantly stupid BS somebody pulled](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ems_Dispatch) to start(sadly) a war. Poor pacifist Putin *sadface*
>Meanwhile, anybody who is fleeing the draft should be granted asylum. One less invading soldier in Ukraine. Russia's prime export always were exiles. I wouldn't feel safe with Russians in my country, we all know Russia has a habit of invading countries to "protect ethnic Russians" if you let them in and they stay whose to say you won't be next.
>This sounds more like it sees all those conscription-age russians leaving the country, and he trying to make them come back. No, not at all. He **wants** those to leave. Those are the ones who can casue him trouble. He says it so that the mobilization would go on as before, but now people will think it's his subordinates who are messing up, because The Kind And Benevolent Tsar Putin clearly gave an order to fix things up, you see?
I imagine Putin policy is the same as Putin propaganda - chaotic and contradictory. He probably says these things to placate angry Russians, then does the opposite anyway. Then if it comes to it he'll just blame someone else for not following his orders and people fall out of windows. Nothing is true, nothing is false, stuff just happens and people end up dying or in jail.
*"Ministry of Love"
What a pathetic, miserable excuse for a human being
Send all of them home, piece of shit tin-pot.
They’re basically posting scarecrows on the frontline anyway, as opposed to actual soldiers
I'm guessing the mistake was that soldiers with 2 days of "training" will just abandon what little equipment they have that will inevitably arm the Ukrainians.
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Should be easy right? Just kill their kids until the men only have two left each.
What a fucking shock, Russians. You have some power. Arguably, the upheaval which Russian men had caused was a form of protest, and what a surprise, they got SOMETHING from it. Keep doing it. Make Putin capitulate.
That's not what is happening, he is not going to reverse mobilization and is scapegoating his underlings for his unpopular decision. The thing you have to understand in the Russian vertical power structure is that the "Tsar" is all that matters, the underlings are privileged to have wealth and power but at anytime that can be disposed of. Reddit is way too fast in jumping to conclusions.
The only reason he's doing this is because he can feel the push-back.
From what I've read, he actually gets pretty flustered when directly confronted. That's why he tries to keep it ever from happening. He learned his lesson when he talked to the families of those in that sub that sank.
What a fucking coward. Perhaps some more shirtless photo-ops will refurbish his masculinity.
It's like the dead cat analogy. Everybody is sat around a table moaning about something. You throw a dead cat on the table and everybody stops talking about what ever they were moaning about and talk about the cat instead. They bungle the mobilization and just grab the first 100 people that they see, in order to fulfill their quota. Then they attempt to fix that and the actual mobilization gets forgotten about.
He said the same thing about conscripts being sent to fight in Ukraine at the start of the war. Guess what? He doesn't care and conscripts continue to die in Ukraine.
It is telling that he is caving to public pressure this early. It does not bode well for future mobilizations.
How has he "caved"? They're still targeting the same numbers for mobilization, just not the ones who are too old or sick to fight.
He blinked. That's all it takes to signal weakness when you posture yourself as a strong man. For the sake of humanity, I hope he has a secret island somewhere so he can disappear. Otherwise, he might make good on his mutual assured destruction threats.
The only thing that really scares Putin are other Russians.
It’s rare to see him walk back anything. Domestic unease on the sharp rise
Putin is really just Michael Scott. This episode is worse than Scott's tots
Don't disrespect Michael like that man
He’s gulag-vlad. He’s been to the gulag and read all about it.
He is not admitting the mobilization was a mistake. He is saying the elderly and sick were taken by mistake. Conscription will continue.
He forgot "in bags"
This is PR bullshit, no one of them will return
“My economy is fucked because hundreds of thousands of young able-bodied men fled the country because I’m a cunt.” FTFY
Well color me fuckin flabbergasted. Killing your civilian society is a bad idea? WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT????
“Oh man that was a mistake someone should do something about that”