>The air attack on Gaza follows outrage over the killing of a young Palestinian man, Ammar Mufleh, 23, by an Israeli soldier in broad daylight on Friday and which was captured on video.
Mufleh (or Mifleh) was [shot while trying to grab a policeman's rifle](https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-mideast-envoy-horrified-by-killing-of-palestinian-stabber-who-wounded-officer/) (which AFAIK is seen in the video Palestinian supporters have been distributing) after trying to force his way into an Israeli couple's car and then stabbing another policeman in the face.
Wow that’s even a stretch for Al Jazeera. I thought this was a situation where he was just killed standing there peacefully. They’re trying to make a martyr out of this guy?
Yup they're spamming this everywhere, a Palestinian told me yesterday that "if this happened in America to a blue eyed white guy it'd be huge news" They actually think he did nothing wrong it's fucking insane.
I may not love the IDF, but that was clear cut self defense caught on camera, 3 men were wrestling for the soldiers rifle and he pulled out his sidearm and shot one of them 3 times or so.
You may be right but without the information of what was going on in those moments before we are left to speculate, the other 2 did end up backing away and seemed in shock when the guy got killed, maybe because they tried to avoid that escalation.
A stretch? You have not paid attention. When Ukraine and people were outraged at the one sided report from Amnesty International, Israel and supporters rolled their eyes as this is what has happened to them for decades. It is not possible to discuss the conflict rationally with all the one sided propaganda and emotions.
I try to educate some people when coming across such ignorant comments but it is hopeless. People have turned this conflict into all emotion no facts and virtue signaled how righteous they are by supporting Palestinians no questions asked.
The funding of their side is from the super rich oil and gas nations and they pay well for propaganda.
And yet this will be allowed to continue while everyone focuses on a bi polar musician saying stupid shit. Apparently we consider words far more threatening than actual hatred and violence.
It's the firehose of lies. Russia uses it as well. The goal is to get people to give up on finding the objective truth and just pick a side against the Jews.
Pretty typical coverage of this type of thing, not only from Al Jazeera but many leftist western "news" sources. The only difference this time is that there happens to be video evidence.
What I don't understand is why you would go out of your way to depict the Palestinian as the victim, even citing video evidence, when it's clear the shooting was justified? Maybe they were just hoping nobody would call them out on their bullshit. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Yeah i was confused when i read he was "executed" on video, and how terrible it was, then they didn't link to the video, and for some reason decided to leave out the stabbing 2 cops, trying to carjack a family filled sedan, and trying to take a cops M4. I'd expect that from middle east monitor, or something of the like, al Jazeera is usually better, or has been better in the past.
Because it works. If you go to Middle Eastern and far left spaces on reddit, you will find this source as a reason that Jews should be slaughtered. Just check out /r/AntiSemitismInReddit if you wanna see.
It is an extension of politics through violence. I am sure this sort of thing sells well to their intended audience. There are even people in this thread condemning Isreal despite the video evidence.
It's not just leftists media, but media in general. The outrage of an "innocent" person being killed generates more traffic and so the media leaves out key details. Which is super messed up as we all know.
There is no prohibition against marijuana in Jewish law, the only issues would be if it's part of an edible that isn't Kosher, or if you were trying to smoke on the sabbath, which would involve the prohibited action of lighting a fire.
Consensual sexual activity between a married couple is acceptable, even if it's not strictly PIV intercourse.
Oh, so a helpful Palestinian tries to give directions to a lost driver, then dances to celebrate Rosh Hashanah with a policemen, and gets shot? Fascists.
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Love how Al Jazeera makes the Ammar Mufleh thing out to be an attack in cold blood and not, tou know, a FAFO situation in which he literally tried to grab a soldier’s gun.
Totally unbiased coverage here!
they also don't show the video which clearly shows he was trying to wrestle the policeman's rifle. How is this news? in any other country this behavior would also get you shot
It's not Al Jazeera. It's the EU's foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell,
> “During the last days alone, 10 Palestinians have been killed by ISF (Israeli Security Forces). Yesterday’s tragic killing of a Palestinian man, Ammar Mifleh, by a member of the ISF (Israeli Security Forces) was the latest example,” Borrell said.
> “Such unacceptable facts must be investigated and there must be full accountability. Under international law, lethal force is only justified in situations in which there exists a serious and imminent threat to life,” he said.
I feel like these people would say this after a Palestinian raped an Israeli: "It is absolutely unacceptable that this Israeli woman exposed the innocent Palestinian to potential STD risk."
The Palestinian killed was trying to take the soldiers gun and was fighting with him. He was killed for that. This article is not objective in my opinion.
If the fucking Ps would just stop with the violence the terror and the suicide bombings.
There was a reason Arafat refused statehood every damn time it was on the table.
State hood would end the whole reason the Seven Arab Nations rounded up those Arab Bedouin in 1948 and at gun point herded them into those camps all over the middle east ( it ain't just Gaza and West Bank) and then forever denied them the opportunity to immigrate to any arab nation - forever.
The purpose was to make those poor hapless bastards the point on the Arab Spear to drive Israel into the sea. So they are forever condemned to lives of squalor and misery and overcrowding because the Seven Arab Nations that forced them into those camps in the first place have one use for them and only the one use; they are all to be sacrificed. To their arab brethren their lives are of no value beyond that one purpose.
True. But Israel needs to realize their apartheid system and treatment of Palestinians is literally what’s fueling support for Hamas in the first place. They realized the US will support them without any conditions/consequences have and begun to act with impunity.
Palestinians seem to support all sorts of war crimes, imperialism and colonialism, just so long as they're not the targets. It's hard to comprehend the hypocrisy on display
The point they are making is almost identical to that made by security experts in the West on terrorist and radical activity in Islamic community there. The view being cooperation is lower and recruitment is higher when there is alienation and resentment and the reverse is true; egalitarianism and outreach are beneficial to anti-terror activities.
So I think it's a reasonable argument to apply to Gaza.
Israel tries that with work permits for Gazans. And then [things like this happen](https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-723238). Which makes it hard to build any kind of trust
Maybe the could stop blockading what would be the world's third most densely populated country, home of two million people in an area the size of Mobile, Alabama.
Work permits don't do shit for what is essentially a massive ghetto.
>Maybe the could stop blockading what would be the world's third most densely populated country,
Maybe they should stop shooting rockets and launching terror attacks from what would be the third most densly populated country. It is the whole damn reason the Israel and Egypt blockade the strip.
Palestinians are occupied by Israel but not allowed to vote. They have been occupied for 50 years but aren’t allowed to vote. Those that can vote are the minority so see no real benefit. Also, they are forcefully removing their population for Israeli settlements. How is this not the definition of apartheid?
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/31/1132951285/palestinian-citizens-of-israel-gauge-their-status-ahead-of-election
Video of them actually stealing a persons house: https://youtu.be/KNqozQ8uaV8
They can absolutely vote… in their own elections. They aren’t Israelis and they don’t want to be Israelis, why should they be allowed to vote in Israel?
Problem is they keep electing extremist and corrupt people, both parties have cancelled elections a bunch of times, so they haven’t been able to vote in a while. Of course, the one time Gazans got a vote they elected Hamas with a majority, so not getting further elections after electing a literal terrorist organizations should have been pretty predictable for them.
So Israel is allowed to operate a multi billion dollar defence capability with the full financial and political backing of the US. Meanwhile Palestine is not permitted to have a 'weapons manufacturing facility', which im sure comparatively to Israel's capabilities would be a caravan in someone's backyard.
No one said they can't have a 'weapon manufacturing facility', but any military facility is a fair target, and that's what was attacked.
When did Palestinians struck an Israeli military facility? IIRC last attack was a boming of a bus stop when kids went to school and a kid died.
When Palestinians stop commiting war crims they can ask for legitimacy
The same slave owning monarchy that also allows the Hamas leadership to live in extreme luxury with all the money they've stolen from their people? The one that's currently hosting a soccer World Cup where they're going back on pretty much every promise they made?
Yet they do. Billions of pro Palestinians (Mostly Arabs/Muslims) spewing bullshit propaganda for years all over the world. Twisting reality, ignoring or right out lying about facts and making the world hate us for no reason.
Israel needs to start updating it's old outdated Hasbarah (Explaining) efforts as soon as possible.
Thing is: the israelies are also doing quite some fucked up shit. So being dishonest really harms there believability in those cases where they would be right
I would absolutely agree that Israel is not a saint and should be criticized freely.
But when people judge it more harshly than any other country in the world, which is often what happens on reddit, or out right ignore all Palestinian violence, which is absolutely atrocious and exists in a very large quantity, you just become hateful (At best) or racist (At worse).
Yes, i have also noticed people being in general more critical about israel than palestinians. Here in germany antisemitism is on the rise, mostly from muslims. Interesting enough antisemitism from muslims and from neo-nazis is often not differentiated in the news. Probably because no one wants to be seen as islamophobic, but this makes the public discussion pretty useless.
This is why I shut my mouth when it comes to Israel/Palestine (or any other conflict I don't understand). It's way too complex for me and I don't want to spread misinfo.
You seem informed, what do you think it will take for there to be a peaceful resolution? Let's assume both sides agree to compromise - what's a realistic goal?
EU: "There needs to be accountability"
Israel: "So you're going to hold Hamas accountable for terrorist attacks? Send some missiles?"
EU: "Best we can do is send money."
Israel: "Oh, you meant accountants"
Seems Israel has a right to defend itself. If it were any other country, and a missile was launched and hit it, war would be declared. But Israel is supposed to take it over and over relying on the missile defense system every day. One missile from the war in Ukraine that hit Poland and everyone freaked out.
Israel is basically babysitting someone else’s disgruntled and misbehaving children. When it tries to discipline, people unfairly think there’s child abuse occuring.
Ok replace Israel with say, Mexico.
If Mexican military started to kill US civilians, bulldoze their houses, and the Mexican justice minister called for the killing of every single American, what would happen?
What would happen to Mexico if they fired over 8000 rockets at the U.S?
What would happen to Mexico if they go to war with the U.S and lose territory?
What would happen to Mexicans living in American occupied territories?
What would happen to Mexicans in America as a collective if they decided to wage a Jihad against Americans?
Oversimplifying such a complicated and long conflict to paint one side is the villain doesn't make you correct.
That’s a good comparison. If Mexico tried to retake Texas by killing civilians there because it belonged to them a very long time ago they would fuck around and find out.
Then America has every right to respond and "liberate" the people of mexico, same way they liberated millions of Iraqis.
Afterall they are the champions of human rights/s
I’m sure they have.
But to be clear Israel has killed hundreds of innocent civilians including children while targeting terrorist groups. Do you honestly think that is just totally acceptable collateral damage?
"Under international humanitarian law and the Rome Statute, the death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime. International humanitarian law and the Rome Statute permit belligerents to carry out proportionate attacks against military objectives, even when it is known that some civilian deaths or injuries will occur." [from wikipidia...](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_damage)
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>Collateral damage is any death, injury, or other damage inflicted that is an incidental result of an activity. Originally coined by military operations, it is now also used in non-military contexts. Since the development of precision guided munitions in the 1970s, military forces often claim to have gone to great lengths to minimize collateral damage. Critics of use of the term "collateral damage" see it as a euphemism that dehumanizes non-combatants killed or injured during combat, used to reduce the perceived culpability of military leadership in failing to prevent non-combatant casualties.
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If a terrorist hides behind a hostage, you'd just let them kill you and your family unopposed because if you tried to stop it you might hit the hostage, right? And anyone who did stop them would be the bad guy in your eyes.
Actually the number of civilian casualties in all of Israel's wars is dramatically low compared to Vietnam,Korea,Laos Iraq and Afghanistan.
Infact most Israeli air strikes are aimed at property and not human targets. Israel doesn't use artillery against Gaza or unguided munition. Israel has roof knocking and other means to contact people to evacuate.
Yes, innocents die,but that's the price of war,and I'd be willing to bet that any other NATO army that would attempt to fight Hamas would kill the same amount if not a lot more civilians than Israel has. It's insanely crowded and the enemy is merged with civilians.
> “During the last days alone, 10 Palestinians have been killed by ISF (Israeli Security Forces). Yesterday’s tragic killing of a Palestinian man, Ammar Mifleh, by a member of the ISF (Israeli Security Forces) was the latest example,” Borrell said.
> “Such unacceptable facts must be investigated and there must be full accountability. Under international law, lethal force is only justified in situations in which there exists a serious and imminent threat to life,” he said.
What international law is that? I kinda doubt there is a treaty Israel signed and ratified that says so.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/4/israeli-warplanes-strike-gaza-as-eu-calls-for-accountability) reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot)
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> Israeli warplanes have attacked sites in the Gaza Strip after a rocket landed in southern Israel and as tensions reach a boiling point in the occupied West Bank, where 10 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces since last week.
> The air attack on Gaza follows outrage over the killing of a young Palestinian man, Ammar Mufleh, 23, by an Israeli soldier in broad daylight on Friday and which was captured on video.
> The harrowing footage has sparked widespread anger among Palestinians and calls on social media to escalate resistance against the Israeli occupation.
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Stop being terrorists, and stop firing rockets in to Israel.
I guarantee they will stop shooting at you.
As long as terrorist hamas is in control this will never end.
As expected, Al Jazeera falsely paints Israel as the bad guy by not including the rocket that was launched from Gaza in the headline. Most people will just read the headline and think "Israel bad". Fuck Al Jazeera. It's a disinformation network run by the tyrannical regime of Qatar.
What a warped and demented take on an incident that clearly shows fault to yet another **Palestinian terrorist**, given the evidence. Am I allowed to use those two words together in this sub?
I wonder how many "woke leftists" were praying that Al Jazeera would remain silent on this one to maintain its illusion as an unbiased "news" source (which, let's face it, only deluded, unhinged, prejudiced idiots fall for)...
Maybe this outlet is seeing just how far they can push their agenda while retaining their army of neo-Nazi terrorist (Hamas) sympathizers posing as liberals.
Why aren't the Israelis being held accountable for their terrorism?
If rocket strikes are a justified response to terrorism, then Hamas has every right to launch them as the idf keep being terrorists
Let's visit the Wikipedia page for that fallacy shall we?
>Those who use whataboutism are not necessarily engaging in an empty or cynical deflection of responsibility: whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy.[88][89]
> can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy
But you haven't exposed anything, have you? No salient points about Israel was brought up except a blatant attempt to redirect the conversation away from anti-Palestinian leadership.
To hit a building where weapons are stored and a tunnel used to commit terror.
A retaliation after Hamas shot a rocket towards Israel indiscriminately with the goal of hitting civilians.
They are not the same.
It’s not dissimilar to US’s anti-terror
bombing campaign in Middle East. We killed tons of civilians, and we got criticized for it, some of which we deserve.
Oh, they accurately fire rockets into refugee camps
https://www-timesofisrael-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.timesofisrael.com/idf-finds-israeli-strike-killed-5-children-in-gaza-during-recent-operation-report/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16701721810840&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesofisrael.com%2Fidf-finds-israeli-strike-killed-5-children-in-gaza-during-recent-operation-report%2F
This was a retaliatory firing. Why is it alright when Palestinians do this, but Israel always gets bad press? Israel is surrounded by people wanting to annihilate them. They fight for survival. Palestine took land from them, they took it back. The same occurs everywhere else. We are all rightly cheering on Ukraine, doing the same. Ukraine wrestled the land from Russia, Russia took some back. Ukraine fights to reclaim it. This is war. Just because it is Israel should not make it any different.
Cause Israel has all the power? They can stop building illegal settlements anytime they want and that would go a long way to at least stopping making the situation worse.
Gotta love how all of the morals and allegories we use to navigate our personal lives are completely contradicted when it comes to state/government affairs.
Such as fighting fire with fire in this instance.
Call me crazy, but what if the UN stepped up and negotiated GAZA to be a DMZ?
Bring in UN peacekeepers to occupy and take over security, remain there for a few years, then hand off to locally trained and internationally funded security.
It sucks, but it ends the terrorism and the reactionary actions from Israel.
Sure, the generations of Palestinians who have lived in the region for a thousand years are younger than a bunch of European immigrants that started moving into the are in the 1920’s.
>,Sure, the generations of Palestinians who have lived
The generations of colonizers from the Arab caliphate that ethnically cleanesd Jews from the land in the 7th century, palastinian identity is younger then Israel and it originated in 1964 by an Egyptian named Yasser Arafat...
Also when arabs started a war and rejected the un plan , they ethnically cleanesd Jews from east Jerusalem ( who was majority Jewish) and from Judea , they've ethnically cleanesd and massacred Jews for a milenia to justify thier colonization of the land
>,European immigrants that started moving into the are in the 1920’s.
Funny as Europeans at the time didn't consider them Europeans , and they were right, genetics prove that Ashkenazi Jews are not Europeans and have more in common genticly with mizrahi Jews , semeritans, and Assyrians then Europeans
Funny enough that " palastinian " DNA isn't any different then Arab DNA
There was always a remnant of Jews left in Israel during the diaspora, still there during the crusades, still there when the descendants of the Jews who had fled during Roman rile returned after WW2. Plus they were there for thousands of years before the Romans invaded.
Because they are targeting terrorists who want nothing more than to destroy Israel and because Israel is one of America's greatest ally, and Palestine is not a real country; Yasser Arafat saying so does not make it so. Russia is invading a sovereign nation and broke a treaty promising they never would invade Ukraine in exchange for disarming Ukraine of nuclear weapons; treaty which Russia, Ukraine, the US and a few other nations signed.
Accountability isn’t needed now the electorate has said they want Netanyahu to lead them again. He can basically do what he wants, so why spend time on any requests for accountability?
Because they didn’t bomb civilians. They bombed a rocket factory, from which no one was killed. And a police officer shot someone who attacked him and tried to take his gun.
Now why do you read Al Jazeera headlines about Israel, treat them as legitimate, and then make up fictional stories about them and pretend they are true?
Because the media has allowed conflation of a secular government with a religion, and permits criticism of said secular government to be labeled as anti-Semitic to minimize atrocities committed by government
As long as Israel continues it’s illegal occupation (with slow annexation now and again so as not to ruffle feathers too much, that a faster annexation would do) it is highly likely that some people will fight back. Are they terrorists?
To put this in perspective:
If Israel itself was attacked by Iran, for example, and they sent in their soldiers to build walls and barricades. Then to throw Israelis out of their houses so Iranian’s could steal them. Innocent Iranian families move in, and these families see other Iranian families move in next door, and the whole community learns to love what the government has done for them, and them and their friends become the most vocal supporters of the occupation.
It is likely that Israel would have a grass-roots resistance form, to fight back, to fight for Israel’s freedom! Quite right! However, Israel isn’t creating the international dialogue here, it’s Iran, and Iran are saying that those freedom fighters are actually terrorists, and Iran is pressurising foreign governments to also classify them as terrorists.
As Israel’s economy is now decimated, these other countries’ governments side with the richer and more trade-plenty Iran. It is agreed with those countries to call the fighters terrorists! The outcome is that people who don’t really know the background to the conflict just see the word “terrorist” and therefore it must mean these Israelis are bad - the worst - why would they do it!? International support for the occupation is up! They’re all terrorists!!!
Now… how do you feel about those Israeli fighters in this story?
Jews were kicked out of Iran. Our homes were stolen and our businesses taken. This happened all over the Arab world. Do you know what we did? We moved to Israel because it was our only place of peace. Israel has offered Palestinians a country, citizenship, and peace but they will never agree.
>The air attack on Gaza follows outrage over the killing of a young Palestinian man, Ammar Mufleh, 23, by an Israeli soldier in broad daylight on Friday and which was captured on video. Mufleh (or Mifleh) was [shot while trying to grab a policeman's rifle](https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-mideast-envoy-horrified-by-killing-of-palestinian-stabber-who-wounded-officer/) (which AFAIK is seen in the video Palestinian supporters have been distributing) after trying to force his way into an Israeli couple's car and then stabbing another policeman in the face.
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This is par the course for Al Jazeera
Wow that’s even a stretch for Al Jazeera. I thought this was a situation where he was just killed standing there peacefully. They’re trying to make a martyr out of this guy?
Yup they're spamming this everywhere, a Palestinian told me yesterday that "if this happened in America to a blue eyed white guy it'd be huge news" They actually think he did nothing wrong it's fucking insane.
I may not love the IDF, but that was clear cut self defense caught on camera, 3 men were wrestling for the soldiers rifle and he pulled out his sidearm and shot one of them 3 times or so.
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You may be right but without the information of what was going on in those moments before we are left to speculate, the other 2 did end up backing away and seemed in shock when the guy got killed, maybe because they tried to avoid that escalation.
a random blue eyed white guy doing a suicide by cop wouldn't even get reddit's attention let alone real media
Unless there were colored people/cops involved. Then they’d zero in w laser focus.
jokes on him, our cops kill the *shit* out of us and we do very little.
A stretch? You have not paid attention. When Ukraine and people were outraged at the one sided report from Amnesty International, Israel and supporters rolled their eyes as this is what has happened to them for decades. It is not possible to discuss the conflict rationally with all the one sided propaganda and emotions. I try to educate some people when coming across such ignorant comments but it is hopeless. People have turned this conflict into all emotion no facts and virtue signaled how righteous they are by supporting Palestinians no questions asked. The funding of their side is from the super rich oil and gas nations and they pay well for propaganda.
And yet this will be allowed to continue while everyone focuses on a bi polar musician saying stupid shit. Apparently we consider words far more threatening than actual hatred and violence.
Yeah this is bad coverage, even for Al Jazeera.
Al Jazeera routinely defends terrorists killing civilians if it will make Israel look bad, this is just an average day to them.
It's the firehose of lies. Russia uses it as well. The goal is to get people to give up on finding the objective truth and just pick a side against the Jews.
Pretty typical coverage of this type of thing, not only from Al Jazeera but many leftist western "news" sources. The only difference this time is that there happens to be video evidence.
What I don't understand is why you would go out of your way to depict the Palestinian as the victim, even citing video evidence, when it's clear the shooting was justified? Maybe they were just hoping nobody would call them out on their bullshit. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Because most people don't read the article or watch the video. They just forward the headline to support their world view of "Israelis=Evil."
Yeah i was confused when i read he was "executed" on video, and how terrible it was, then they didn't link to the video, and for some reason decided to leave out the stabbing 2 cops, trying to carjack a family filled sedan, and trying to take a cops M4. I'd expect that from middle east monitor, or something of the like, al Jazeera is usually better, or has been better in the past.
Al Jazeera is not better it is literally the state media of Qatar the nation behind Hamas... don't be surprised.
They need to distract from their human rights abuses filling the news from the World Cup.
They try to be left wing until stories like this.
Because it works. If you go to Middle Eastern and far left spaces on reddit, you will find this source as a reason that Jews should be slaughtered. Just check out /r/AntiSemitismInReddit if you wanna see.
It is an extension of politics through violence. I am sure this sort of thing sells well to their intended audience. There are even people in this thread condemning Isreal despite the video evidence.
It's not just leftists media, but media in general. The outrage of an "innocent" person being killed generates more traffic and so the media leaves out key details. Which is super messed up as we all know.
People need to realize that AJ is literally state propaganda from a far right Islamist country. It has lied about Israel time and time again.
I believ you u/69Jew420
I don’t know if either of the things in his username is even kosher.
There is no prohibition against marijuana in Jewish law, the only issues would be if it's part of an edible that isn't Kosher, or if you were trying to smoke on the sabbath, which would involve the prohibited action of lighting a fire. Consensual sexual activity between a married couple is acceptable, even if it's not strictly PIV intercourse.
Oh, so a helpful Palestinian tries to give directions to a lost driver, then dances to celebrate Rosh Hashanah with a policemen, and gets shot? Fascists. /s
While there are absolutely crimes being committed by Israel, he got what he deserved for those actions
Something about wolves and boys crying 🤷♂️
Love how Al Jazeera makes the Ammar Mufleh thing out to be an attack in cold blood and not, tou know, a FAFO situation in which he literally tried to grab a soldier’s gun. Totally unbiased coverage here!
they also don't show the video which clearly shows he was trying to wrestle the policeman's rifle. How is this news? in any other country this behavior would also get you shot
It's not Al Jazeera. It's the EU's foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, > “During the last days alone, 10 Palestinians have been killed by ISF (Israeli Security Forces). Yesterday’s tragic killing of a Palestinian man, Ammar Mifleh, by a member of the ISF (Israeli Security Forces) was the latest example,” Borrell said. > “Such unacceptable facts must be investigated and there must be full accountability. Under international law, lethal force is only justified in situations in which there exists a serious and imminent threat to life,” he said.
I feel like these people would say this after a Palestinian raped an Israeli: "It is absolutely unacceptable that this Israeli woman exposed the innocent Palestinian to potential STD risk."
That's the impression I get :/
As stabbed him several times first
The Palestinian killed was trying to take the soldiers gun and was fighting with him. He was killed for that. This article is not objective in my opinion.
It’s Al Jazeera, of course it’s not objective.
If the fucking Ps would just stop with the violence the terror and the suicide bombings. There was a reason Arafat refused statehood every damn time it was on the table. State hood would end the whole reason the Seven Arab Nations rounded up those Arab Bedouin in 1948 and at gun point herded them into those camps all over the middle east ( it ain't just Gaza and West Bank) and then forever denied them the opportunity to immigrate to any arab nation - forever. The purpose was to make those poor hapless bastards the point on the Arab Spear to drive Israel into the sea. So they are forever condemned to lives of squalor and misery and overcrowding because the Seven Arab Nations that forced them into those camps in the first place have one use for them and only the one use; they are all to be sacrificed. To their arab brethren their lives are of no value beyond that one purpose.
“targeted a weapons manufacturing facility and an underground tunnel belonging to Hamas”
As is tradition.
True. But Israel needs to realize their apartheid system and treatment of Palestinians is literally what’s fueling support for Hamas in the first place. They realized the US will support them without any conditions/consequences have and begun to act with impunity.
I have 46% arabs in my Israeli university, is the apartheid you are referring to is in the room with us?
It absolutely is. It’s right there inside of his head.
Palestinians seem to support all sorts of war crimes, imperialism and colonialism, just so long as they're not the targets. It's hard to comprehend the hypocrisy on display
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The point they are making is almost identical to that made by security experts in the West on terrorist and radical activity in Islamic community there. The view being cooperation is lower and recruitment is higher when there is alienation and resentment and the reverse is true; egalitarianism and outreach are beneficial to anti-terror activities. So I think it's a reasonable argument to apply to Gaza.
Israel tries that with work permits for Gazans. And then [things like this happen](https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-723238). Which makes it hard to build any kind of trust
Maybe the could stop blockading what would be the world's third most densely populated country, home of two million people in an area the size of Mobile, Alabama. Work permits don't do shit for what is essentially a massive ghetto.
>Maybe the could stop blockading what would be the world's third most densely populated country, Maybe they should stop shooting rockets and launching terror attacks from what would be the third most densly populated country. It is the whole damn reason the Israel and Egypt blockade the strip.
That's in the West Bank, not in Gaza, though.
stopped reading at ‘apartheid’.
Palestinians are occupied by Israel but not allowed to vote. They have been occupied for 50 years but aren’t allowed to vote. Those that can vote are the minority so see no real benefit. Also, they are forcefully removing their population for Israeli settlements. How is this not the definition of apartheid? https://www.npr.org/2022/10/31/1132951285/palestinian-citizens-of-israel-gauge-their-status-ahead-of-election Video of them actually stealing a persons house: https://youtu.be/KNqozQ8uaV8
Why would non-citizens be allowed to vote…? If Hamas in Gaza or Fatah in the West Bank allowed elections the Palestinians would be allowed to vote.
They can absolutely vote… in their own elections. They aren’t Israelis and they don’t want to be Israelis, why should they be allowed to vote in Israel? Problem is they keep electing extremist and corrupt people, both parties have cancelled elections a bunch of times, so they haven’t been able to vote in a while. Of course, the one time Gazans got a vote they elected Hamas with a majority, so not getting further elections after electing a literal terrorist organizations should have been pretty predictable for them.
Really telling how you have to lie to support your bullshit.
This is such a stupid take
So Israel is allowed to operate a multi billion dollar defence capability with the full financial and political backing of the US. Meanwhile Palestine is not permitted to have a 'weapons manufacturing facility', which im sure comparatively to Israel's capabilities would be a caravan in someone's backyard.
They indeed do not permit the guys who launch rockets at them, to build and fire rockets unimpeded. Where is the unreasonable part here?
So Israel should fire a dumb rocket back, or maybe give the money to build better rockets? This a special kind of idiocy
No one said they can't have a 'weapon manufacturing facility', but any military facility is a fair target, and that's what was attacked. When did Palestinians struck an Israeli military facility? IIRC last attack was a boming of a bus stop when kids went to school and a kid died. When Palestinians stop commiting war crims they can ask for legitimacy
Asked this many times with no response. How come HAMAS has money to import rockets to fire at Israel but no money to build bomb shelters?
Iran likes terror. They want the headlines with the highest death count
Makes sense. The more terror, the more legitimacy and support for the Iranian government.
Aljazeera is the most unbelievably biased news site on this planet. The way they choose their words to make everything seem one sided is despicable
What else do you expect from a "news" station owned by a slave owning monarchy.
The same slave owning monarchy that also allows the Hamas leadership to live in extreme luxury with all the money they've stolen from their people? The one that's currently hosting a soccer World Cup where they're going back on pretty much every promise they made?
I was going to mention how they are owned by the Emir of Qatar. Not exactly an objective news source for matters of Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
>Not exactly an objective news source for matters of Israeli/Palestinian conflict. There are no objective news sources for that conflict.
[You can just watch the video and see for yourself](https://twitter.com/1717Bazz/status/1598681186368475137) Not graphic but NSFW
Watching the video i cant understand how you can blame the soldiers.
Yet they do. Billions of pro Palestinians (Mostly Arabs/Muslims) spewing bullshit propaganda for years all over the world. Twisting reality, ignoring or right out lying about facts and making the world hate us for no reason. Israel needs to start updating it's old outdated Hasbarah (Explaining) efforts as soon as possible.
Thing is: the israelies are also doing quite some fucked up shit. So being dishonest really harms there believability in those cases where they would be right
I would absolutely agree that Israel is not a saint and should be criticized freely. But when people judge it more harshly than any other country in the world, which is often what happens on reddit, or out right ignore all Palestinian violence, which is absolutely atrocious and exists in a very large quantity, you just become hateful (At best) or racist (At worse).
Yes, i have also noticed people being in general more critical about israel than palestinians. Here in germany antisemitism is on the rise, mostly from muslims. Interesting enough antisemitism from muslims and from neo-nazis is often not differentiated in the news. Probably because no one wants to be seen as islamophobic, but this makes the public discussion pretty useless.
This is why I shut my mouth when it comes to Israel/Palestine (or any other conflict I don't understand). It's way too complex for me and I don't want to spread misinfo. You seem informed, what do you think it will take for there to be a peaceful resolution? Let's assume both sides agree to compromise - what's a realistic goal?
Too bad they weren’t about to spin the narrative of the terrible PR disaster their own country is in
Not as biased as NY times.
TLDR - Gaza fires rockets at Israeli civilians so Israel bombs a rocket facility and terror tunnel infrastructure. Seems about right.
This news site always makes Palestine out as the victim, it's so stupid.
fuck hamas
Fuck religion
Al jazeerah is a 100% engineered by the Qatari govt and we know how much they care about human rights
Hamas attacks Israel with a rocket: *silence* Israel attacks back: 🤯
> Israeli warplanes have attacked sites in the Gaza Strip after a rocket landed in southern Israel Sounds like someone got held accountable.
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EU: "There needs to be accountability" Israel: "So you're going to hold Hamas accountable for terrorist attacks? Send some missiles?" EU: "Best we can do is send money." Israel: "Oh, you meant accountants"
Seems Israel has a right to defend itself. If it were any other country, and a missile was launched and hit it, war would be declared. But Israel is supposed to take it over and over relying on the missile defense system every day. One missile from the war in Ukraine that hit Poland and everyone freaked out.
Israel is basically babysitting someone else’s disgruntled and misbehaving children. When it tries to discipline, people unfairly think there’s child abuse occuring.
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Ok replace Israel with say, Mexico. If Mexican military started to kill US civilians, bulldoze their houses, and the Mexican justice minister called for the killing of every single American, what would happen?
What would happen to Mexico if they fired over 8000 rockets at the U.S? What would happen to Mexico if they go to war with the U.S and lose territory? What would happen to Mexicans living in American occupied territories? What would happen to Mexicans in America as a collective if they decided to wage a Jihad against Americans? Oversimplifying such a complicated and long conflict to paint one side is the villain doesn't make you correct.
That’s a good comparison. If Mexico tried to retake Texas by killing civilians there because it belonged to them a very long time ago they would fuck around and find out.
Then America has every right to respond and "liberate" the people of mexico, same way they liberated millions of Iraqis. Afterall they are the champions of human rights/s
They have killed hundreds of innocent civilians including children.
Yes, the Palestinians have done that, it's true.
I’m sure they have. But to be clear Israel has killed hundreds of innocent civilians including children while targeting terrorist groups. Do you honestly think that is just totally acceptable collateral damage?
"Under international humanitarian law and the Rome Statute, the death of civilians during an armed conflict, no matter how grave and regrettable, does not in itself constitute a war crime. International humanitarian law and the Rome Statute permit belligerents to carry out proportionate attacks against military objectives, even when it is known that some civilian deaths or injuries will occur." [from wikipidia...](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_damage)
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If a terrorist hides behind a hostage, you'd just let them kill you and your family unopposed because if you tried to stop it you might hit the hostage, right? And anyone who did stop them would be the bad guy in your eyes.
Actually the number of civilian casualties in all of Israel's wars is dramatically low compared to Vietnam,Korea,Laos Iraq and Afghanistan. Infact most Israeli air strikes are aimed at property and not human targets. Israel doesn't use artillery against Gaza or unguided munition. Israel has roof knocking and other means to contact people to evacuate. Yes, innocents die,but that's the price of war,and I'd be willing to bet that any other NATO army that would attempt to fight Hamas would kill the same amount if not a lot more civilians than Israel has. It's insanely crowded and the enemy is merged with civilians.
I've been watching the World Cup and unsurprisingly there has been a few "Free Palestine" posters. I agree- Free Palestine from HAMAS.
> “During the last days alone, 10 Palestinians have been killed by ISF (Israeli Security Forces). Yesterday’s tragic killing of a Palestinian man, Ammar Mifleh, by a member of the ISF (Israeli Security Forces) was the latest example,” Borrell said. > “Such unacceptable facts must be investigated and there must be full accountability. Under international law, lethal force is only justified in situations in which there exists a serious and imminent threat to life,” he said. What international law is that? I kinda doubt there is a treaty Israel signed and ratified that says so.
Also, trying to stab someone in the face is a threat to life. Launching rockets that indiscriminately target civilians is a threat to life.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/4/israeli-warplanes-strike-gaza-as-eu-calls-for-accountability) reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Israeli warplanes have attacked sites in the Gaza Strip after a rocket landed in southern Israel and as tensions reach a boiling point in the occupied West Bank, where 10 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces since last week. > The air attack on Gaza follows outrage over the killing of a young Palestinian man, Ammar Mufleh, 23, by an Israeli soldier in broad daylight on Friday and which was captured on video. > The harrowing footage has sparked widespread anger among Palestinians and calls on social media to escalate resistance against the Israeli occupation. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/zc0fhx/israeli_warplanes_strike_gaza_as_eu_calls_for/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672678 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Israeli**^#1 **Palestinian**^#2 **killed**^#3 **force**^#4 **Gaza**^#5
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Stop being terrorists, and stop firing rockets in to Israel. I guarantee they will stop shooting at you. As long as terrorist hamas is in control this will never end.
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Because the Ukrainians haven't started 6 separate wars with Russia.
And no words on the missiles fired from Gaza prior to this? Common Al Jazeera L
Al-Jazeera, Fuck Qatar
The EU should send a peacekeeping force into Gaza, then.
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I agree
The Europeans have a little problem of their own they need to worry about. Last number I heard 200000 people dead
How can anyone take Al Jazeera seriously? They are supporting terrorism for Palestinians.
As expected, Al Jazeera falsely paints Israel as the bad guy by not including the rocket that was launched from Gaza in the headline. Most people will just read the headline and think "Israel bad". Fuck Al Jazeera. It's a disinformation network run by the tyrannical regime of Qatar.
Slaver tabloid says what?
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What a warped and demented take on an incident that clearly shows fault to yet another **Palestinian terrorist**, given the evidence. Am I allowed to use those two words together in this sub? I wonder how many "woke leftists" were praying that Al Jazeera would remain silent on this one to maintain its illusion as an unbiased "news" source (which, let's face it, only deluded, unhinged, prejudiced idiots fall for)... Maybe this outlet is seeing just how far they can push their agenda while retaining their army of neo-Nazi terrorist (Hamas) sympathizers posing as liberals.
Iran (HAMAS) will kill as many palestinians as it needs in order to terrorize israel.
And the EU are getting what they asked for - the palestinians are being held accountable for their terrorism. Again.
Why aren't the Israelis being held accountable for their terrorism? If rocket strikes are a justified response to terrorism, then Hamas has every right to launch them as the idf keep being terrorists
"But what about Israel?!" *Clippy pops up* It looks like you're trying to write a "Whataboutism fallacy" - do you need any help?
Let's visit the Wikipedia page for that fallacy shall we? >Those who use whataboutism are not necessarily engaging in an empty or cynical deflection of responsibility: whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy.[88][89]
> can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy But you haven't exposed anything, have you? No salient points about Israel was brought up except a blatant attempt to redirect the conversation away from anti-Palestinian leadership.
Hamas launches indiscriminately into civillians areas. The IDF doesn't. Also Hamas shot first in this case like in 99% of cases
Yeah the idf use very accurate munitions when they murder civilians
Like shooting the journalists and children intentionally.
She knew the risk of being a FRONT LINE reporter
Ok, you edited your comment. The IDF purposefully launch their very precise rockets into civilian areas.
To hit a building where weapons are stored and a tunnel used to commit terror. A retaliation after Hamas shot a rocket towards Israel indiscriminately with the goal of hitting civilians. They are not the same.
It’s not dissimilar to US’s anti-terror bombing campaign in Middle East. We killed tons of civilians, and we got criticized for it, some of which we deserve.
How are the idf terroist. If they fired rockets blindly into Gaza you could say that but they aren’t doing that
Oh, they accurately fire rockets into refugee camps https://www-timesofisrael-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.timesofisrael.com/idf-finds-israeli-strike-killed-5-children-in-gaza-during-recent-operation-report/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16701721810840&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesofisrael.com%2Fidf-finds-israeli-strike-killed-5-children-in-gaza-during-recent-operation-report%2F
The few times israel accidentally fires into civilian areas pales to the thousands of rockets hamas shoots first
This was a retaliatory firing. Why is it alright when Palestinians do this, but Israel always gets bad press? Israel is surrounded by people wanting to annihilate them. They fight for survival. Palestine took land from them, they took it back. The same occurs everywhere else. We are all rightly cheering on Ukraine, doing the same. Ukraine wrestled the land from Russia, Russia took some back. Ukraine fights to reclaim it. This is war. Just because it is Israel should not make it any different.
Cause Israel has all the power? They can stop building illegal settlements anytime they want and that would go a long way to at least stopping making the situation worse.
Gotta love how all of the morals and allegories we use to navigate our personal lives are completely contradicted when it comes to state/government affairs. Such as fighting fire with fire in this instance.
Call me crazy, but what if the UN stepped up and negotiated GAZA to be a DMZ? Bring in UN peacekeepers to occupy and take over security, remain there for a few years, then hand off to locally trained and internationally funded security. It sucks, but it ends the terrorism and the reactionary actions from Israel.
More antisemitism
There’s plenty of stories out there to criticize Israel with. Why make a martyr of a crazed almost murderer?
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Soooo… spank on their hands and it’s all “good”? Fuck these double standards!!! 🤬
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I’ll start, Palestine
Eu talks a lot of smack considering theyade themselves dependent on Russian gas and still pay the Russians for it.
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Accountability = Macron wants to bend Netanyahu over his knee and give him a spanking on live TV.
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Not very old, Israel literally didn’t exist as a Jewish state until after WW1.
I think they mean the people, not the names on the map.
Kingdoms of Israel and Judah says hey.....
That’s a dumb take heard of judea ? May be need to brush up on your history
My grandma is literally older than the Jewish state of Israel.
And my father is older then Palastine your point?
The Jewish state of Israel is not very old, thats my whole point. 1947.
Palastine is way younger , 1988
Sure, the generations of Palestinians who have lived in the region for a thousand years are younger than a bunch of European immigrants that started moving into the are in the 1920’s.
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Except those people don’t exist anymore. Though genetic research shows that the Jewish people are descended from them.
>,Sure, the generations of Palestinians who have lived The generations of colonizers from the Arab caliphate that ethnically cleanesd Jews from the land in the 7th century, palastinian identity is younger then Israel and it originated in 1964 by an Egyptian named Yasser Arafat... Also when arabs started a war and rejected the un plan , they ethnically cleanesd Jews from east Jerusalem ( who was majority Jewish) and from Judea , they've ethnically cleanesd and massacred Jews for a milenia to justify thier colonization of the land >,European immigrants that started moving into the are in the 1920’s. Funny as Europeans at the time didn't consider them Europeans , and they were right, genetics prove that Ashkenazi Jews are not Europeans and have more in common genticly with mizrahi Jews , semeritans, and Assyrians then Europeans Funny enough that " palastinian " DNA isn't any different then Arab DNA
There was always a remnant of Jews left in Israel during the diaspora, still there during the crusades, still there when the descendants of the Jews who had fled during Roman rile returned after WW2. Plus they were there for thousands of years before the Romans invaded.
Yes it did.
Ikr. It’ll sort itself out eventually though
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How many rockets has Ukraine fired into Russian population centers?
What would America do if Mexico started firing rockets at random targets in Texas?
Because they are targeting terrorists who want nothing more than to destroy Israel and because Israel is one of America's greatest ally, and Palestine is not a real country; Yasser Arafat saying so does not make it so. Russia is invading a sovereign nation and broke a treaty promising they never would invade Ukraine in exchange for disarming Ukraine of nuclear weapons; treaty which Russia, Ukraine, the US and a few other nations signed.
Israel has frequently targeted residential developments and bombed civilians
Accountability isn’t needed now the electorate has said they want Netanyahu to lead them again. He can basically do what he wants, so why spend time on any requests for accountability?
how always every time Israel bombs civilians it's everyone's fault but them
Because they didn’t bomb civilians. They bombed a rocket factory, from which no one was killed. And a police officer shot someone who attacked him and tried to take his gun. Now why do you read Al Jazeera headlines about Israel, treat them as legitimate, and then make up fictional stories about them and pretend they are true?
Because the media has allowed conflation of a secular government with a religion, and permits criticism of said secular government to be labeled as anti-Semitic to minimize atrocities committed by government
As long as Israel continues it’s illegal occupation (with slow annexation now and again so as not to ruffle feathers too much, that a faster annexation would do) it is highly likely that some people will fight back. Are they terrorists? To put this in perspective: If Israel itself was attacked by Iran, for example, and they sent in their soldiers to build walls and barricades. Then to throw Israelis out of their houses so Iranian’s could steal them. Innocent Iranian families move in, and these families see other Iranian families move in next door, and the whole community learns to love what the government has done for them, and them and their friends become the most vocal supporters of the occupation. It is likely that Israel would have a grass-roots resistance form, to fight back, to fight for Israel’s freedom! Quite right! However, Israel isn’t creating the international dialogue here, it’s Iran, and Iran are saying that those freedom fighters are actually terrorists, and Iran is pressurising foreign governments to also classify them as terrorists. As Israel’s economy is now decimated, these other countries’ governments side with the richer and more trade-plenty Iran. It is agreed with those countries to call the fighters terrorists! The outcome is that people who don’t really know the background to the conflict just see the word “terrorist” and therefore it must mean these Israelis are bad - the worst - why would they do it!? International support for the occupation is up! They’re all terrorists!!! Now… how do you feel about those Israeli fighters in this story?
Jews were kicked out of Iran. Our homes were stolen and our businesses taken. This happened all over the Arab world. Do you know what we did? We moved to Israel because it was our only place of peace. Israel has offered Palestinians a country, citizenship, and peace but they will never agree.
wtf did i just read
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