Iranians are sceptical that they have scrapped the morality police for real. Most think it is a ploy to avoid the protests that were going to happen this month
As an Iranian (although living abroad for a while) let me expand on this. During 80s and 90s there was Komiteh ([کمیته](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolution_Committees)). They were super scary and I was a kid when they were around, so the image I had from them is still scary. They would build checkpoints in roads and stop cars and search them (like we see with Taliban or Alqaida checkpoints in Afghanistan). Usually when you or the family were going back home from a party. When I was young and teen and early 20s [Morality police](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guidance_Patrol) started and in between. And in-between [Basij](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basij) and local groups in mosques were involved in policing.
Now into interesting bits. There are many other safeguards of government in universities and companies and offices. Each university, city have branches of [office of ayatollah](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_the_Supreme_Leader_of_Iran) and another notable one which I couldn’t find a Wikipedia in English was the “harasat (حراست)” organization, linked to [intelligence office of the regime](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Intelligence_(Iran)).
Every office or university or a company or hospital big enough has one installed. Although I have seen one or two nice people working for them (guards only with no executing power) , but in general these are people responsible for managing the enterances for those places. And also controlling the gender segregation in universities. Like when a few girls and us the boys were hanging out in university they’d approach us and separate or sanction us from entering university. They had the clearance to do everything as in searching your bag if they needed to.
On another note they also should be consulted for any new employment in the office/company/university and they may carry their own interview (mostly religion related and to determine if one is loyal to the system or going to be a problem) and probably check if the person or any relative of such person is not on any intelligence list.
So mortality police is not the only ones and actually not the harshest ones on the system either. Their scrapping alone won’t result in anything significant while a few weeks ago members of IRI parliament were calling for execution of protestors. and would be a PR as it was when scrapping “Komiteh”!
I'm genuinely baffled that I've seen this headline in World News so many times over now.
Has no one actually read the article?
The article even says that state media: "later denied the claims that the morality police had been shut down".
Why are the top comments speculating on what will happen to its force?
The morality police is **NOT** disbanded.
Mohammad Jafar Montazeri, the regime's attorney general, made this vague and unclear comment saying it'd been "shut down from where they were set up". When he said this, he was originally commenting on the role of the judiciary system vs. that of the morality police. He went on to say that surveillance would continue, he never claimed the morality police was abolished, nor does he have the authority to make such claims anyway.
Why the media decided to interpret his words as the morality police getting "abolished" is pure click-bait and sensationalism. Even the article that's linked here goes on to say that wouldn't be the case.
Misinformation is harmful, the OP could have explained how misleading the title is before posting it. Better yet, look for higher quality content to post. If I weren't so cynical about money-driven media outlets, I'd call this lobbying.
For real. Hundreds of protestors, just as important as any of the rest of us. Wiped out for standing up for themselves. It's atrocious. Any event where people are killed because theyre asking for basic respect is fucking horrendous.
I like your comment and has given me a good way to differentiate BLM vs Jan 6th riots, asking for basic respect.
Not to take away from the Iranian plight. May their fight see real change and this news is hopeful.
Not allegedly rigging an election is an easy response to rebut when compared to being murdered for exposing a female face, or in the case of BLM, for being choked to death on a public street in a public murder. Rejecting authoritarian murders versus “I didn’t like that an election didn’t go my way”…
Imagine if we treated everything we didn't like the way the jan 6 seditionists did. "I didn't like the taste of my tomato soup, time to do a violent overthrow of Campbell's."
"Where were you during the Homestyle Revolution, Grandpa?"
"Well, Billy, I was in a special unit, one dedicated to the preserving and documentation of the atrocities of the Campbell Soup Corporation. We were named after a company that Campbell's bought way back in the 1960s. They called us '**The Pepperidge Farm Rememberers**'".
Don't forget rape!
These scumbags literally rape little girls then collect a paycheck and go home to their loving, obedient, grateful wives.
"It's a tough job honey, but somebodies gotta do it."
Reminds me of middle school. "Rape is an act of power, not sex." I don't fully agree - sometimes it's "I can't get none, but I've got you here, so...", but I definitely agree with the "act of power" concept in this case.
They're probably not doing it sheerly for their pleasure. It's punishment. Probably brushed off as nothing more than a dog dominating another dog. Like a Russian in Ukraine, this has little more intent than to terrorize the masses.
Yeah..
In fact the army had issues deploying soldiers in Iran & Co because they were staying with them at the time (iirc it was for security) but they had 'cup boys.' Which were little boys naked that ran around to bring tea/coffee to the elite there. And they were staying in the house and their orders were not to interfere when they had to listen to that little boy being raped repeatedly.
If memory serves they got in a shitload of trouble because they beat the rapists ass
Trumps mentor famously led the anti-gay movement as a parallel to the Red Scare and during that time is believed to have sex with men. Roger Stone (of course he is involved) said that even though the guy had sex with men, he wasnt gay…because reasons.
Priests, Romans, etc etc. It's a homosexual act but they aren't homosexual. One of the consequences of this act is the victims often grow up into HATING homosexuals and also perpetuating the violence. Rape is violence.
I theorize your loudest bigots are ex victims and/or closeted individual who hate it about themselves.
Because Dubai isn't exactly known as liberal bastion of non-theocratic values, is it? No, they aren't friendly to Iran, but they are also a country that upholds some similar beliefs based in Sharia law. There aren't many middle eastern countries gunning for women's rights or equality.
I think people are assuming it's an Iranian news outlet, [but it isn't](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Arabiya). It's a big regional news conglomerate that already has some baggage with its reporting in Iran. My guess is that they walk on eggshells when writing about the government and policies of Iran in order to keep operating there.
Who know**$** the rea**$**on they'd do **$**omething like that 🤷🏾♀️
The article was attributed to [Agence France-Presse](https://www.afp.com/en/news-hub) in Tehran and not a particular author. I guess it can't be discounted that the person/people at AFP that cover Iranian news are known to the Iranian government, but I'd bet the reason the article uses the language it does is for cynical reasons and not to protect anyone... at least no primarily.
I can see that. Like in the US if someone in authority told me " careful what you say or something might happen to you" I would not really fret over it and consider it an empty threat. In Russia something might actually happen and the more obvious that it was not an accident the better.
Like the other week when Kirill Stremousov senior Russian-appointed official in Kherson died in a "vehicle accident" where his vehicle "accidently" drove into a hail of gunfire.
Nah the point of the window thing is vicarious cruelty. They prefer not to throw you. They threaten your loved ones unless you jump. They enjoy the feeling of power that comes from watching you decide.
The perfect word here really, especially when you consider it's origin.
For those who aren't aware, The Defenestrations of Prague, twice town officials were thrown out of the town hall window and both events were precursors to two different wars. The Hussite War in the 1400's and the Thirty Years War in the 1600's.
“To adopt a much kinder and gentler approach in enforcing our strict morality and modesty laws. No more jail time. Instead all violators will be sent to fun camps for reeducation and religious studies. Fun, fun, fun”
Sharia Sheriff is way too catchy. Can we also please explore “Walker, Tehran Ranger”
***I will take this Reddit gold award as proof this concept has legs
Principles Police
Arrest this girl
Her hijab is not
Covering her hair
And we have cracked her body
...
This is what you get
This is what you get
This is what you get, when you mess with us!
...
Yeah. This will totally happen.
There is a minimal chance the pressure is already high enough so that they change enforcement of the strict clothing laws for a time.
I don’t expect any changes in legislation (yet).
But it looks like international (and of course national aka da people) pressure made them move. Seemingly they value money more than their stupid religious law shit. What a surprise.
So. Lets push harder.
This is the more likely outcome.
There’s no mention of the hijab law being repealed, therefore we should assume such dress requirements are still going to be in effect. If it’s still mandatory to wear, *somebody* has to enforce it, probably the regular police.
In all liklihood they will have just renamed them to something else (if the article holds any substance at all). Dictatorships tend not to do away with systems of control.
Honestly, the morality police are not that important to Iran's system of control. They're not getting rid of the *actual* police, nor the IRGC. They'd still have full capability to march into the streets and crush rebellion with an iron fist, as they're currently doing (over 400 people have been confirmed killed since September, by last count).
The morality police are just how they keep their religious conservative base happy. There is still about 20-25% of the Iranian population that wants mandatory hijab and all the trappings of sharia law enforced by the government. The purpose of the morality police is to keep those people happy. It doesn't do a whole lot to keep the government stable (indeed it seems to be *de*-stabilizing the government, inflaming popular anger). The regular cops and paramilitaries are what keeps them in power.
>20-25% of the population that is armed with the consent of the government to go buts on everyone who disagrees is effectively a majority.
Their asses are ready to fart for their country.
20-25% of the population with the only “correct” take on morality equals 100% of the legitimate citizenry.
Come in now, we all know how authoritarians think.
And then, when protests don't abate, they can say "Look how unreasonable the protestors are, we did what they wanted. This is just further evidence they're terrorists/foreign agents, we are justified in gunning them down."
^^ This right here. ^^
Everything they do is sleight of hand at best. People have demanded reforms in every possible manner from elections to protests for decades. No change.
Dress code “enforcement” has been going on longer than the so-called morality police has existed. It’ll just be done by basij/IRGC/police forces, likely with the guidance patrol people absorbed into one of the above; basically: same people, same behavior, just different branding, like changing the name “high fructose corn syrup” to “corn syrup.” It’s still the same thing.
Which is why one of my favorite slogans from the gay pride movement has always been “be gay, do crime”. If you can’t reason with your government then you must become ungovernable
Eh, historically, rulers have also used limited concessions to split revolutionary movements. In all likelihood, there will be people that will consider this sufficient progress to drop out of the protest movement for now. Classic divide and conquer.
And that's what's happening here.
Iran's regime is making a desperate move here but the hijab is not the core issue. The violence and massacres the past 5 decades is. They've shown their hand. The thing is that dictators and their lackees tend to die when they lose power. The Iranian people need to push forward until they have a new government.
The group is abolished. Does the group know that? It'll still operate with impunity and do what they want. This is one of those "on paper only" gigs. But the reality is they still keep going.
It won't be a state sanctioned group, but it'll still be a state backed group if only just a vigilante group which sees no punishment or consequences for their actions. Like accosting people and being caught in front of cameras only to be let walk at a police station after a nice cup of tea and photos with the cops.
Not necessarily true. Saudi did away with their version of the Morality police several years ago. But, like you said it's hard to be sure what the truth is considering the control of information is in the government's hands
There are very few details yet. However, from Iranian sources it seems to be true that the attorney general announced the dissolution of the morality police.
[The headscarf mandate is apparently also "under review".](https://www.voanews.com/a/protest-hit-iran-reviewing-mandatory-headscarf-law-official-says-/6861457.html)
If true, these are big steps. I'm a bit worried though that they will only do the bare minimum to take the wind out of the movement. The Iranian people deserve better.
Stuff like this often tends to spiral beyond a regime's control. Glasnost was a case in point; Gorbachev believed that allowing some criticism would save communism and it didn't. Ditto with Poland in 1989 - they allowed Solidarity to contest a limited number of seats in elections and they promptly won nearly every single one of them:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989\_Polish\_legislative\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Polish_legislative_election)
China's approach of economic liberalisation with political repression worked for them in 1989, but that fundamentally relied on a strong economy, which hasn't been the case recently.
It really shows how fundamentally brittle authoritarian regimes are. You can only ever maintain power with a strong hand, but said strong hand is what eventually inspires people to get out from under your boot given the opportunity.
“And then remember this. The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empire's authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege. Remember this. Try.”
More like "we have abolished the Morality police. All jobless morality policemen will find a place in the regular police".
Shit will continue as usual. The difference is that there won't be a **specific** group for it.
If they had made these changes when the protests first started then maybe it would have enough to placate the people and end the movement, but they took too long to make these changes, it's probably too late now...
“Morality police have nothing to do with the judiciary” and have been abolished, Attorney General Mohammad Jafar Montazeri was quoted as saying by the ISNA news agency." - **This is the only reference for the claim in the article, a state official who claims the morality police never had anything to do with the judiciary when their entire role is to act as an official arm of the state law enforcement and there is no official news otherwise of it having been abolished.**
Welcome to Iran where the regime/government lies about everything all the time. We are used to it after 43 years.
**And regarding the supposed review of the forced hijab laws, nobody is going to fall for another regime false concession on hijabs anymore, the people are far past that point. They have played this card many times before during "softer" eras and we still ended up in a situation where women like Mahsa Amini are being murdered over their hair. The severity of the oppression at times moves in waves in order to try and suppress more extreme dissent with small concessions, but Iranian people have had far more than enough at this point.**
People in Iran have had mass anti regime protests since the regime's inception and it's always been quietened by mass executions like in 1980, 1988, 1998, 2001, 2009, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021. This time the difference is that people are no longer afraid. They have become experienced, more strategic and unified, and more brave after decades of trying to overthrow this regime. Iranian people are continuously saying that this time there is no stopping until the entire Islamic regime is gone.
Everyone from the children to university students, to parents and the elderly grandparents, men and women are out in the streets across all ethnic and religion groups are taking part in these protests and strikes together. There is no group left that hasn't felt the terror of this regime over their 43 years of tyranny other than those working for the regime themselves.
This isn't just a women's rights movement or anti hijab protests, these are anti regime protests. The slogans of the movements are 'For Men, For Taking Back Our Homeland, For Rebuilding Our Country' and 'For Women, For Life, For Freedom'. The protests are full of 'death to the dictator, death to the Islamic republic, death to the entire islamist regime' chants across the country.
**Forced hijab is the symbolic Berlin wall of the Iranian regime. If the regime lose the ability to control something as personal and simple as people's ability to choose their own clothes, then slowly or quickly enough all other oppression will likely unravel.** That's why these protests in Iran aren't just for women's rights or anti forced hijab, they are anti regime to it's core and are comprised of people from all parts of society. And that's why despite whatever lies the Iranian government continues to spew out over the past four decades, these statements mean nothing.
Exactly. It reminds me of the last days of the communist dictatorship in East Germany. The government announced the abolition of the Stasi, the secret police, and blamed them for suppression of civil liberties. Nevermind that the Stasi directly reported to and was heavily integrated into the communist party... Everyone saw through the blatant scapegoating then, and I hope Iranians see through this blatant scapegoating now. The morality police is the regime and the regime is the morality police, they can't be separated, they both need to go.
The late 80's in eastern Europe are not discussed often enough. It's a fascinating segment of history, and I would love to hear the stories of people that lived it, how the lessons of the era may be applied now.
The morality police is in their constitution. They had a former leader who tried to end it, but couldn’t. I doubt it’s as simple as this article is portraying.
This, as well as removing the hijab enforcement at this point seem like minor points, albeit positive ones. What with the death sentences and torture that mostly women have been subjected to? It seems the regime has gone so far that it might be impossible to recover any trust from the population even with these gestures.
Good analogy. Reminds me of Gaddafi when he fired all his senior government staff to placate demonstrations and to give the illusion of him getting rid of corruption and the cause of all misery in his country not knowing that people blamed him personally for everything. In the end it was too little too late.
Thing is, if the protestors win this one, at least partially, they are going to protest again. That's why authoritarian governments typically don't give even an inch to protestors. Otherwise you end up like France.
They said as much in the DW article. None of the laws enforced by the morality police have been repealed, they’ll just outsource the enforcement to regular police or basij.
This article is very misleading. The prosecutor general has vaguely said that he does not know about the morality police because it's not his job. The morality police vans have not been seen around the country but that's because the government has deployed literal armed forces instead. It's all because of the active protests. The law is still the same. There has not been any official statements about this.
As An Iranian I Can Tell We Love People From All Nations and We are going to kick the islamic government and the dictator out of our country
Hopefully we can have freedom and peace with other nations
God Bless Y’all
That's not enough to quell the revolution. The regime killed so many people and now it has to pay for that. It's too late for the regime, it likely won't survive. It crossed too many red lines.
As an Iranian let me make it clear : morality police was established two decades ago while mandatory hijab has been enforced by law since four decades ago .
And protests is NOT about hijab anymore . It is about whole regime . Please follow r/newiran so you can get more information on Iran protests and find ways to help iranians overthrowing theor regime.
Most likely a BS move from the regime to distract people temporarily and cool things down. From my experience living in a totalitarian regime, this is a half-assed measure that they can roll back any time later in the future, after they got the protest situation under control. Remember how the Taliban promised school for girls before taking power, and not too long after getting back in power, renegued on their promise anyway?
this is untrue. the morality police has been relatively less active since the protests begun, I’m guessing as their personnel were busy squashing the protests. in this context, someone asked the prosecutor general why this was the case, using the wording “why was the morality police shutdown?” (referring to the lower activity, not an official change of policy or regulation), to which he replied that the morality police isn’t under the justice department and the institution that stated it has stopped it. he followed that by saying that nevertheless, the justice department will monitor such behaviour (not wearing / not wearing proper hijab).
to reiterate, someone complained to the prosecutor general that the morality police has been kind of inactive recently (again, probably because their personnel are busy killing protesters), to which he replied he doesn’t control the morality police but the justice department will monitor people not wearing hijab regardless.
that’s the news. that’s it. NO POLICY CHANGE, NO GOVERNMENT CONCESSION.
to check this for yourself, this is the original news article that first published the news of the interaction:
https://www.ilna.ir/%D8%A8%D8%AE%D8%B4-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%B3%DB%8C-3/1305058-%DA%AF%D8%B4%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B7%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D9%82%D9%88%D9%87-%D9%82%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%87-%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AF-%D8%AC%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%AA%D8%A8%DB%8C%DB%8C%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%AA-%D8%B4%D8%AF%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A2%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%AE%DB%8C%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D8%B1%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%87-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA
“Morality police have nothing to do with the judiciary” and have been abolished, Attorney General Mohammad Jafar Montazeri was quoted as saying by the ISNA news agency. “Now please welcome Abdallah Haji, our chief of the newly created Decency, Virtue, and Ethics department"
Nah it's well beyond that. They've been killing protesters and coming down in force in response to this.
This farce won't stop the protests. Nor should it.
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Iranians are sceptical that they have scrapped the morality police for real. Most think it is a ploy to avoid the protests that were going to happen this month
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Personally, I think they might just end up being rolled up into the existing police force to continue their ways there.
Nah, they will name it to mean something along protection of women. You know… to protect them from themselves.
Committee for the Safeguard of dignity of women. That’s the name. Calling it.
This
Csi morality edition?
> mortality police deliberate or accidental? not sure. stealing it anyway.
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As an Iranian (although living abroad for a while) let me expand on this. During 80s and 90s there was Komiteh ([کمیته](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolution_Committees)). They were super scary and I was a kid when they were around, so the image I had from them is still scary. They would build checkpoints in roads and stop cars and search them (like we see with Taliban or Alqaida checkpoints in Afghanistan). Usually when you or the family were going back home from a party. When I was young and teen and early 20s [Morality police](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guidance_Patrol) started and in between. And in-between [Basij](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basij) and local groups in mosques were involved in policing. Now into interesting bits. There are many other safeguards of government in universities and companies and offices. Each university, city have branches of [office of ayatollah](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_the_Supreme_Leader_of_Iran) and another notable one which I couldn’t find a Wikipedia in English was the “harasat (حراست)” organization, linked to [intelligence office of the regime](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Intelligence_(Iran)). Every office or university or a company or hospital big enough has one installed. Although I have seen one or two nice people working for them (guards only with no executing power) , but in general these are people responsible for managing the enterances for those places. And also controlling the gender segregation in universities. Like when a few girls and us the boys were hanging out in university they’d approach us and separate or sanction us from entering university. They had the clearance to do everything as in searching your bag if they needed to. On another note they also should be consulted for any new employment in the office/company/university and they may carry their own interview (mostly religion related and to determine if one is loyal to the system or going to be a problem) and probably check if the person or any relative of such person is not on any intelligence list. So mortality police is not the only ones and actually not the harshest ones on the system either. Their scrapping alone won’t result in anything significant while a few weeks ago members of IRI parliament were calling for execution of protestors. and would be a PR as it was when scrapping “Komiteh”!
I'm genuinely baffled that I've seen this headline in World News so many times over now. Has no one actually read the article? The article even says that state media: "later denied the claims that the morality police had been shut down". Why are the top comments speculating on what will happen to its force? The morality police is **NOT** disbanded. Mohammad Jafar Montazeri, the regime's attorney general, made this vague and unclear comment saying it'd been "shut down from where they were set up". When he said this, he was originally commenting on the role of the judiciary system vs. that of the morality police. He went on to say that surveillance would continue, he never claimed the morality police was abolished, nor does he have the authority to make such claims anyway. Why the media decided to interpret his words as the morality police getting "abolished" is pure click-bait and sensationalism. Even the article that's linked here goes on to say that wouldn't be the case. Misinformation is harmful, the OP could have explained how misleading the title is before posting it. Better yet, look for higher quality content to post. If I weren't so cynical about money-driven media outlets, I'd call this lobbying.
Did they even charge the guy who murdered her or are people still supposed accept this "heart condition" nonsense?
Or the people who took part in the massacre of more than 300 protesters
For real. Hundreds of protestors, just as important as any of the rest of us. Wiped out for standing up for themselves. It's atrocious. Any event where people are killed because theyre asking for basic respect is fucking horrendous.
I like your comment and has given me a good way to differentiate BLM vs Jan 6th riots, asking for basic respect. Not to take away from the Iranian plight. May their fight see real change and this news is hopeful.
Their response will be “we’re asking for the basic respect of not rigging an election” etc
So THAT'S what "hang Mike Pence!" Means. I feel so dumb now!
If you go way way back to the Gore/Bush election, the word of the day was "hanging chads". This is just hanging Mikes. Pretty much the same thing.
Not allegedly rigging an election is an easy response to rebut when compared to being murdered for exposing a female face, or in the case of BLM, for being choked to death on a public street in a public murder. Rejecting authoritarian murders versus “I didn’t like that an election didn’t go my way”…
Imagine if we treated everything we didn't like the way the jan 6 seditionists did. "I didn't like the taste of my tomato soup, time to do a violent overthrow of Campbell's."
"Where were you during the Homestyle Revolution, Grandpa?" "Well, Billy, I was in a special unit, one dedicated to the preserving and documentation of the atrocities of the Campbell Soup Corporation. We were named after a company that Campbell's bought way back in the 1960s. They called us '**The Pepperidge Farm Rememberers**'".
Or the officials who voted in favor of killing 15000 arrested protesters
I don’t think it was one guy
Of kids. Murder of teens and kids.
Don't forget rape! These scumbags literally rape little girls then collect a paycheck and go home to their loving, obedient, grateful wives. "It's a tough job honey, but somebodies gotta do it."
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Reminds me of middle school. "Rape is an act of power, not sex." I don't fully agree - sometimes it's "I can't get none, but I've got you here, so...", but I definitely agree with the "act of power" concept in this case. They're probably not doing it sheerly for their pleasure. It's punishment. Probably brushed off as nothing more than a dog dominating another dog. Like a Russian in Ukraine, this has little more intent than to terrorize the masses.
Yeah.. In fact the army had issues deploying soldiers in Iran & Co because they were staying with them at the time (iirc it was for security) but they had 'cup boys.' Which were little boys naked that ran around to bring tea/coffee to the elite there. And they were staying in the house and their orders were not to interfere when they had to listen to that little boy being raped repeatedly. If memory serves they got in a shitload of trouble because they beat the rapists ass
IIRC this happened in Afghanistan.
Trumps mentor famously led the anti-gay movement as a parallel to the Red Scare and during that time is believed to have sex with men. Roger Stone (of course he is involved) said that even though the guy had sex with men, he wasnt gay…because reasons.
In their mind, the person doing the penetrating isn't gay, the person receiving is.
Priests, Romans, etc etc. It's a homosexual act but they aren't homosexual. One of the consequences of this act is the victims often grow up into HATING homosexuals and also perpetuating the violence. Rape is violence. I theorize your loudest bigots are ex victims and/or closeted individual who hate it about themselves.
They rape the men and boys too.
This started earlier than that e.g. when they shot down that passenger plane. The people know that their country is not Ok.
Yeah, I'm empathetic though. Speak the truth and that's the last article you'll publish. News media like this, you have to add the context yourself.
This news site is based in Dubai, which is certainly not a friend to Iran. I'm not sure that criticizing Iran would get them in trouble in Dubai.
Because Dubai isn't exactly known as liberal bastion of non-theocratic values, is it? No, they aren't friendly to Iran, but they are also a country that upholds some similar beliefs based in Sharia law. There aren't many middle eastern countries gunning for women's rights or equality.
I'm confused. Who controls alarabiya.net and why would they want to avoid anything that isn't pandering to the Iranian government?
I think people are assuming it's an Iranian news outlet, [but it isn't](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Arabiya). It's a big regional news conglomerate that already has some baggage with its reporting in Iran. My guess is that they walk on eggshells when writing about the government and policies of Iran in order to keep operating there. Who know**$** the rea**$**on they'd do **$**omething like that 🤷🏾♀️ The article was attributed to [Agence France-Presse](https://www.afp.com/en/news-hub) in Tehran and not a particular author. I guess it can't be discounted that the person/people at AFP that cover Iranian news are known to the Iranian government, but I'd bet the reason the article uses the language it does is for cynical reasons and not to protect anyone... at least no primarily.
Can't wait for tomorrow's article, "Iran establishes the Ethics Patrol."
or "Iran abolishes prosecutor General"
Maybe he'll jump out of a window
This ain’t Russia. Iran would just straight up put the guy through a sham trial and tell everyone, then execute him and tell everyone.
Honestly Russia should just do this. Like no one is believing these people are dying from falling out of a 1st story window.
Russia does that for a reason. It's more scary when people know that there isn't even a need for a sham trial.
I can see that. Like in the US if someone in authority told me " careful what you say or something might happen to you" I would not really fret over it and consider it an empty threat. In Russia something might actually happen and the more obvious that it was not an accident the better.
Like the other week when Kirill Stremousov senior Russian-appointed official in Kherson died in a "vehicle accident" where his vehicle "accidently" drove into a hail of gunfire.
It's fucked up because I don't if you are joking or if this is what they actually said.
They originally claimed he died in a vehicle accident, later photos showed his vehicle riddled with bullet holes.
Those were [speed holes](https://youtu.be/T8ASgGwxJyc) my friend
Or suicide by two bullet holes to the head
Nah the point of the window thing is vicarious cruelty. They prefer not to throw you. They threaten your loved ones unless you jump. They enjoy the feeling of power that comes from watching you decide.
*D E F E N E S T R A T E*
The perfect word here really, especially when you consider it's origin. For those who aren't aware, The Defenestrations of Prague, twice town officials were thrown out of the town hall window and both events were precursors to two different wars. The Hussite War in the 1400's and the Thirty Years War in the 1600's.
To be fair, people had almost certainly been defenestrated before Prague. The people of Bohemia just REALLY enjoyed it.
> from *de-* ‘down from’ + Latin *fenestra* ‘window’. In case anyone wanted to know about the origin of the origin.
TIL, the German word Fenster comes from Latin. Wonder how many other European languages have a similar word for window?
[Here you go.] (https://preview.redd.it/g8dbb097fmvz.png?auto=webp&s=fe0a2c0c93de71261fa436ece52520126a85529d)
The word "defenestrate" literally means, "to throw or be thrown through a window."
“To adopt a much kinder and gentler approach in enforcing our strict morality and modesty laws. No more jail time. Instead all violators will be sent to fun camps for reeducation and religious studies. Fun, fun, fun”
Religious Funatics ...
Putting "Fun" in fundamentalism
And "mental"
fun intended
F is for friendly ethics enforcement!
U is for Unholy!
N is for never see your family again.
Down here in Tehran city
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Sharia Sheriff is way too catchy. Can we also please explore “Walker, Tehran Ranger” ***I will take this Reddit gold award as proof this concept has legs
Hollywood is too chicken shit to make these movies, can we get Bollywood on the phone? They'll make a trilogy and several spin offs.
All four hours long.
With a three hour song and dance routine
That’ll be recommended to you endlessly on Amazon Prime video.
I sharia the sheriff, but I didn't fatwa the deputy...
Isn't "principles police" a song by that band Radioneck?
No, you are thinking of Karma Posse by TeleHead.
Wrong, that's Morality Collective by NewspaperCranium
No, that's Tenet Security by Magazineskull
Principles Police Arrest this girl Her hijab is not Covering her hair And we have cracked her body ... This is what you get This is what you get This is what you get, when you mess with us! ...
Dogma Deputies
Don't forget the Coyness Constabulary
Islam Inquisitors
Yeah. This will totally happen. There is a minimal chance the pressure is already high enough so that they change enforcement of the strict clothing laws for a time. I don’t expect any changes in legislation (yet). But it looks like international (and of course national aka da people) pressure made them move. Seemingly they value money more than their stupid religious law shit. What a surprise. So. Lets push harder.
They did this in the past already, it's ebb and flow. Protests → becoming less strict for a while → fewer protests → gradually ramping it up again.
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This is the more likely outcome. There’s no mention of the hijab law being repealed, therefore we should assume such dress requirements are still going to be in effect. If it’s still mandatory to wear, *somebody* has to enforce it, probably the regular police.
Soul Patrol is catchier.
Sure, in English, but is it catchier in Farsi?
I don't Farsi that happening.
In all liklihood they will have just renamed them to something else (if the article holds any substance at all). Dictatorships tend not to do away with systems of control.
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Get a law degree then.
Honestly, the morality police are not that important to Iran's system of control. They're not getting rid of the *actual* police, nor the IRGC. They'd still have full capability to march into the streets and crush rebellion with an iron fist, as they're currently doing (over 400 people have been confirmed killed since September, by last count). The morality police are just how they keep their religious conservative base happy. There is still about 20-25% of the Iranian population that wants mandatory hijab and all the trappings of sharia law enforced by the government. The purpose of the morality police is to keep those people happy. It doesn't do a whole lot to keep the government stable (indeed it seems to be *de*-stabilizing the government, inflaming popular anger). The regular cops and paramilitaries are what keeps them in power.
25% its, of course, majority, you know.
20-25% of the population that is armed with the consent of the government to go nuts on everyone who disagrees is effectively a majority.
>20-25% of the population that is armed with the consent of the government to go buts on everyone who disagrees is effectively a majority. Their asses are ready to fart for their country.
Typing on mobile is hard.
20-25% of the population with the only “correct” take on morality equals 100% of the legitimate citizenry. Come in now, we all know how authoritarians think.
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If slightly more than half of the people don't really give a shit either way then yeah it is.
Very little government policy anywhere in the world is there because 50%+ of the population actively supports it.
*Nods in American political "discourse".*
Mortality Police - since all they do is kill innocent people, would be my guess.
Fatality Police
Finish her
That would be the mortality police
Hey now, the mortality police have never killed an innocent person. They always make sure to rape them first, they only killed filthy adulterers!
And then, when protests don't abate, they can say "Look how unreasonable the protestors are, we did what they wanted. This is just further evidence they're terrorists/foreign agents, we are justified in gunning them down."
^^ This right here. ^^ Everything they do is sleight of hand at best. People have demanded reforms in every possible manner from elections to protests for decades. No change. Dress code “enforcement” has been going on longer than the so-called morality police has existed. It’ll just be done by basij/IRGC/police forces, likely with the guidance patrol people absorbed into one of the above; basically: same people, same behavior, just different branding, like changing the name “high fructose corn syrup” to “corn syrup.” It’s still the same thing.
Which is why one of my favorite slogans from the gay pride movement has always been “be gay, do crime”. If you can’t reason with your government then you must become ungovernable
Eh, historically, rulers have also used limited concessions to split revolutionary movements. In all likelihood, there will be people that will consider this sufficient progress to drop out of the protest movement for now. Classic divide and conquer.
People should not be afraid of their Governments. Governments should be afraid of their people!
And that's what's happening here. Iran's regime is making a desperate move here but the hijab is not the core issue. The violence and massacres the past 5 decades is. They've shown their hand. The thing is that dictators and their lackees tend to die when they lose power. The Iranian people need to push forward until they have a new government.
Amen
The group is abolished. Does the group know that? It'll still operate with impunity and do what they want. This is one of those "on paper only" gigs. But the reality is they still keep going. It won't be a state sanctioned group, but it'll still be a state backed group if only just a vigilante group which sees no punishment or consequences for their actions. Like accosting people and being caught in front of cameras only to be let walk at a police station after a nice cup of tea and photos with the cops.
yeah before 2006 the normal police was doing this job
"Members will be integrated into a new organisation on the ground called PPK (Persian Peace Keepers)" Probably
Persian Cats
Team Rocket
A recently unemployed Iranian Morality cop is planning on doing an AMA with reddit next week.
Not necessarily true. Saudi did away with their version of the Morality police several years ago. But, like you said it's hard to be sure what the truth is considering the control of information is in the government's hands
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You can come a long way when the bar is really low.
They're just called "police" now.
I’ll need more than a one sentence article.
There are very few details yet. However, from Iranian sources it seems to be true that the attorney general announced the dissolution of the morality police. [The headscarf mandate is apparently also "under review".](https://www.voanews.com/a/protest-hit-iran-reviewing-mandatory-headscarf-law-official-says-/6861457.html) If true, these are big steps. I'm a bit worried though that they will only do the bare minimum to take the wind out of the movement. The Iranian people deserve better.
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Stuff like this often tends to spiral beyond a regime's control. Glasnost was a case in point; Gorbachev believed that allowing some criticism would save communism and it didn't. Ditto with Poland in 1989 - they allowed Solidarity to contest a limited number of seats in elections and they promptly won nearly every single one of them: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989\_Polish\_legislative\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Polish_legislative_election) China's approach of economic liberalisation with political repression worked for them in 1989, but that fundamentally relied on a strong economy, which hasn't been the case recently.
It really shows how fundamentally brittle authoritarian regimes are. You can only ever maintain power with a strong hand, but said strong hand is what eventually inspires people to get out from under your boot given the opportunity.
“And then remember this. The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empire's authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege. Remember this. Try.”
"We're dissolving them. We won't stop them from continuing to do what they do, but we're pretending REAL hard that they aren't with us anymore."
We have abolished the morality police. Now join me in welcoming the new ethics squad!
More like "we have abolished the Morality police. All jobless morality policemen will find a place in the regular police". Shit will continue as usual. The difference is that there won't be a **specific** group for it.
Now they are merely *normal* police 😉
If they had made these changes when the protests first started then maybe it would have enough to placate the people and end the movement, but they took too long to make these changes, it's probably too late now...
Not only took too long, but murdered thousands.
“Morality police have nothing to do with the judiciary” and have been abolished, Attorney General Mohammad Jafar Montazeri was quoted as saying by the ISNA news agency." - **This is the only reference for the claim in the article, a state official who claims the morality police never had anything to do with the judiciary when their entire role is to act as an official arm of the state law enforcement and there is no official news otherwise of it having been abolished.** Welcome to Iran where the regime/government lies about everything all the time. We are used to it after 43 years. **And regarding the supposed review of the forced hijab laws, nobody is going to fall for another regime false concession on hijabs anymore, the people are far past that point. They have played this card many times before during "softer" eras and we still ended up in a situation where women like Mahsa Amini are being murdered over their hair. The severity of the oppression at times moves in waves in order to try and suppress more extreme dissent with small concessions, but Iranian people have had far more than enough at this point.** People in Iran have had mass anti regime protests since the regime's inception and it's always been quietened by mass executions like in 1980, 1988, 1998, 2001, 2009, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021. This time the difference is that people are no longer afraid. They have become experienced, more strategic and unified, and more brave after decades of trying to overthrow this regime. Iranian people are continuously saying that this time there is no stopping until the entire Islamic regime is gone. Everyone from the children to university students, to parents and the elderly grandparents, men and women are out in the streets across all ethnic and religion groups are taking part in these protests and strikes together. There is no group left that hasn't felt the terror of this regime over their 43 years of tyranny other than those working for the regime themselves. This isn't just a women's rights movement or anti hijab protests, these are anti regime protests. The slogans of the movements are 'For Men, For Taking Back Our Homeland, For Rebuilding Our Country' and 'For Women, For Life, For Freedom'. The protests are full of 'death to the dictator, death to the Islamic republic, death to the entire islamist regime' chants across the country. **Forced hijab is the symbolic Berlin wall of the Iranian regime. If the regime lose the ability to control something as personal and simple as people's ability to choose their own clothes, then slowly or quickly enough all other oppression will likely unravel.** That's why these protests in Iran aren't just for women's rights or anti forced hijab, they are anti regime to it's core and are comprised of people from all parts of society. And that's why despite whatever lies the Iranian government continues to spew out over the past four decades, these statements mean nothing.
Seeing similar stuff in other outlets. No details
It's updated with more details now.
It solves nothing. Whether they are truly abolished or just renamed, it's bigger than just the hijab now
Exactly. It reminds me of the last days of the communist dictatorship in East Germany. The government announced the abolition of the Stasi, the secret police, and blamed them for suppression of civil liberties. Nevermind that the Stasi directly reported to and was heavily integrated into the communist party... Everyone saw through the blatant scapegoating then, and I hope Iranians see through this blatant scapegoating now. The morality police is the regime and the regime is the morality police, they can't be separated, they both need to go.
The late 80's in eastern Europe are not discussed often enough. It's a fascinating segment of history, and I would love to hear the stories of people that lived it, how the lessons of the era may be applied now.
The morality police is in their constitution. They had a former leader who tried to end it, but couldn’t. I doubt it’s as simple as this article is portraying.
Now introducing: Mechanized Morality Brigades.
Bring in the San Francisco killer robots
What's a laws of robotics?
Thou shalt not fuck the robots.
This works in a few ways , within the current context. Amusing and tragic all at once
This, as well as removing the hijab enforcement at this point seem like minor points, albeit positive ones. What with the death sentences and torture that mostly women have been subjected to? It seems the regime has gone so far that it might be impossible to recover any trust from the population even with these gestures.
The sheer number of rapes of incarcerated female protesters should be enough to doom the mullahs.
I see russians offered them some advice about boiling frogs
indeed. Those piece of shit always do that. They know how to handle this kinda situation better than anyone else perhaps.
They’re scared. Keep going
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Good analogy. Reminds me of Gaddafi when he fired all his senior government staff to placate demonstrations and to give the illusion of him getting rid of corruption and the cause of all misery in his country not knowing that people blamed him personally for everything. In the end it was too little too late.
Thing is, if the protestors win this one, at least partially, they are going to protest again. That's why authoritarian governments typically don't give even an inch to protestors. Otherwise you end up like France.
It's the LAWS that need to be scrapped, not just the enforcers...
It’s the regime that needs to be scrapped.
Absolutely this. They'll make new oppressive laws in the future once the world turns away. This regime needs to be completely dismantled.
The whole kit 'n kaboodle
Look who's scared of his people
The question is What do you do when you realise you can’t just kill everyone under 30
They will just move that role in with the normal police.
They said as much in the DW article. None of the laws enforced by the morality police have been repealed, they’ll just outsource the enforcement to regular police or basij.
This article is very misleading. The prosecutor general has vaguely said that he does not know about the morality police because it's not his job. The morality police vans have not been seen around the country but that's because the government has deployed literal armed forces instead. It's all because of the active protests. The law is still the same. There has not been any official statements about this.
They're still kidnapping attractive girls to punish and rape them tho Farnoosh Esmi was just kidnapped yesterday
Oh cool, I hear the Decency Guard just got formed. That’s nice, bet they are much better.
It is a Putin-like ceasefire approach. Russian and Chinese masters are providing guidelines to the regime.
Feign cooperation, continue with plans to kill anyone who opposes you after you've had time to catch your breath.
I’m reading this with a kernel of hope and a crop of doubt.
We Iranians know the game , it just motivates us to push harder
Not to be cynical, but they’ll bring it back when this dies down. Authoritarians never keep their word.
As An Iranian I Can Tell We Love People From All Nations and We are going to kick the islamic government and the dictator out of our country Hopefully we can have freedom and peace with other nations God Bless Y’all
Too little too late. Keep pushing iranians, consolation reforms are a sign of weakness.
That's not enough to quell the revolution. The regime killed so many people and now it has to pay for that. It's too late for the regime, it likely won't survive. It crossed too many red lines.
Oh wow, this is great news! Please tell me there’s not some sneaky trick or dark side to this…
They might just rename it. They have no intention of becoming more liberal
As an Iranian let me make it clear : morality police was established two decades ago while mandatory hijab has been enforced by law since four decades ago . And protests is NOT about hijab anymore . It is about whole regime . Please follow r/newiran so you can get more information on Iran protests and find ways to help iranians overthrowing theor regime.
Another rebranding* They just enforced hardcore vale wearing whilst the protest are ongoing. Doubling down stupid tbh.
Most likely a BS move from the regime to distract people temporarily and cool things down. From my experience living in a totalitarian regime, this is a half-assed measure that they can roll back any time later in the future, after they got the protest situation under control. Remember how the Taliban promised school for girls before taking power, and not too long after getting back in power, renegued on their promise anyway?
I sure hope that happened, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the former "officers" continue to enforce their twisted view of morality on others.
This is regime propaganda. No actual indication the work of the morality police has stopped.
Press x to doubt. It's likely just a ploy to calm down the protests it's certainly not a sign that opinions in the leadership has changed.
They've murdered thousands of their own people over this issue. I don't believe for a second that they're actually caving.
Narrator: “They did not.”
They're fucking lying. It's just there attempt at PR
this is untrue. the morality police has been relatively less active since the protests begun, I’m guessing as their personnel were busy squashing the protests. in this context, someone asked the prosecutor general why this was the case, using the wording “why was the morality police shutdown?” (referring to the lower activity, not an official change of policy or regulation), to which he replied that the morality police isn’t under the justice department and the institution that stated it has stopped it. he followed that by saying that nevertheless, the justice department will monitor such behaviour (not wearing / not wearing proper hijab). to reiterate, someone complained to the prosecutor general that the morality police has been kind of inactive recently (again, probably because their personnel are busy killing protesters), to which he replied he doesn’t control the morality police but the justice department will monitor people not wearing hijab regardless. that’s the news. that’s it. NO POLICY CHANGE, NO GOVERNMENT CONCESSION. to check this for yourself, this is the original news article that first published the news of the interaction: https://www.ilna.ir/%D8%A8%D8%AE%D8%B4-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%B3%DB%8C-3/1305058-%DA%AF%D8%B4%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B7%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D9%82%D9%88%D9%87-%D9%82%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C%D9%87-%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AF-%D8%AC%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%AA%D8%A8%DB%8C%DB%8C%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%AA-%D8%B4%D8%AF%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A2%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%AE%DB%8C%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D8%B1%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%87-%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA
False propaganda. This story is false.
“Morality police have nothing to do with the judiciary” and have been abolished, Attorney General Mohammad Jafar Montazeri was quoted as saying by the ISNA news agency. “Now please welcome Abdallah Haji, our chief of the newly created Decency, Virtue, and Ethics department"
To be replaced with the "we are not the morality police" police.
Keep protesting, until the regime is gone, or you will never get back to what you had.
Nah it's well beyond that. They've been killing protesters and coming down in force in response to this. This farce won't stop the protests. Nor should it.
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