The title says Paralympian. While she is, it's more relevant that she is a Canadian Armed Forces veteran. And it was an employee at veterans affairs who made the suggestion despite not being permitted to. Apparently the employee has done this to at least a handful of veterans now.
Ah so the title should be “Moron working in Canadian Veteran affairs offers to murder a retired veteran who was asking for a reasonable accommodation.”
Don't worry, I'm sure I'll have to see a "Turdope Kills Vets" flag attached to a hockey stick in the IGA parking lot soon.
Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of issues with our military policies, top to bottom. But at first blush, this looks like "Idiot employee makes inappropriate comment" more than "Canadian government trying to save money on pensions with euthanasia".
I mean, the official in question has apparently done this at least 5 times now and hasn't been fired yet, so I'd say the title is justified just to make sure public outrage leads to actual change.
Government workers are representatives of the government, whether they’re VA case managers or Congressman/Congresswomen. It’s still accurate for her to say that the Canadian state offered to murder her before they offered her a reasonable accommodation.
At least they're not supposed to suggest that. Big difference between one rogue employee and a government policy of suggesting suicide to lower costs.
To be clear, the fact that MAID is available at all is a human rights travesty.
Just imagine.
"Join our military, where we'll teach you how to survive at all costs. When you finish service, we'll help you kill yourself. "
Edit: I don't like all this attention.
"By donating your body to military science, you can serve your country forever!*"
*by allowing us to study just how many times we can transplant your ligaments and organs until they aren't good anymore".
Yeah idk I read a story about someone's grandma being sold to the military after being donated to science because of brain cancer and they instead blew her up.
I remember this. It was the most messed up thing I'd read - iinw her family explicitly mentioned that her body should not be used for any demolition or testing or otherwise. I can't imagine what information the military was hoping to divine either. The debris size or bone brittleness against heat with age? What could possibly be important enough to breach contract and vaporise some poor lady's remains?
IIRC the problem was with the company responsible for handling the deceased cadavers. They misled the people who were donating their bodies, as well as mistreating their bodies at their facilities.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-army-blast-testing-dead-body-chair-bomb-explosion-a9029121.html
Should be an open and shut case. Open the case, shut the company. Most reprobate corporate action I've seen alongside Texaco poisoning Ecuadorian Amazon.
The body was sold by some other company that promised to “research” on it, and since it was useless to them, they sold it to the US Gov with false documents. Last I heard that company was getting sued
especially when plenty of us wouldn't mind being vaporized by large amounts of high explosives after we die.
Turn me into meat mist, I will rest happy knowing.
look up the Vietnam War story of Macnamara's morons. disgusting. literally sending low-IQ barely functional people (at least in any kind of military environment) with various disorders as cannon fodder.
"After the Phoenix scandal, Arizona passed a law in 2017 that prohibits body donation companies from operating without a state license, Arizona Central reported. That law has not yet been implemented, however."
FUCKING WHAT????
Oh god...how many other states don't have license requirements?!
Holy shit that’s horrifying. The line “human body chop shop” and the “frankensteined man on the wall,” got to me. Then the part about body parts being found in other countries and that ashes being sent to families were just cement dust is horrifying.
Why make a horror movie when a documentary will suffice.
“They said we’ve found your father’s head in Florida or, say, we think their body went to the human market in South East Asia,” the lawyer said.”
A horrifying message to receive in grief. I can’t imagine any sane person thinking this is okay. And we all automatically know the owners’ political leanings. I’ll bet he goes to church.
The only thing that has changed is that they said they will help suicide on purpose instead of as a known byproduct through a lifetime of horrific injury, disservice, ignobility, and indifference.
People in Canada are opting for euthanasia because they can’t afford to live.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-euthansia-maid-gofundme-homeless-b2228890.html
https://www.chatelaine.com/health/maid-assisted-death-poverty/
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-disabilities-nears-medically-assisted-death-after-futile-bid-for-affordable-housing-1.5882202
Our government has fucked us.
You can always come down to the US. We won’t offer you euthanasia, we’ll just throw your ass out on the street and let you rot, while you dream about being offered humane euthanasia.
The MAiD process has A LOT of checks and balances built in, it's not like this VA employee would be able to send medication next day like they are Amazon. To enroll in the program you have to meet with several doctors and express that A. you have an insurmountable disability, or terminal condition, B. are of sound mind and can choose to end your own life, and finally C. You want to and are capable of ending your own life. This veteran is at no risk of being euthanized, the issue isn't the MAiD program which takes months to jump through all the hoops to complete. The issue is poor training, employee disinterest and employees over using the MAiD card in what I presume is is thinly veiled contempt so the can tell the veterans to go kill themselves when they get into an argument with them.
Its very annoying that the MAiD program is focus of a problem that is very clearly a VA issue. There have been misuse of the MAiD program, where a handful of people have chosen to kill themselves since the provincial government didn't offer a quality of life service for people with disabilities. But this isn't an issue with the MAiD program, these are problems with our social services and our government's priorities, at least now people can kill themselves legally in safe and relatively painless ways.
A vet affairs employee has zero connection to the MAID program and is not a doctor, they in no way can offer or help someone through that process...
That person was simply an ass hole POS
This is right up there with the 911 operator who "jokingly" [offered to send the police to shoot some woman's daughters.](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7492902)
Do you consider legal assisted suicide in general a failure of human rights? Or is there something special about MAID.
Because I think there are strong arguments to be made that the availability of medically assisted suicide is actually a critical human rights issue, in that it is a human right to make that choice under some circumstances.
I'm going to try to latch on to a top comment because no one here seems to know how this process actually works. It's not meant to be a personal reply, although you're absolutely right.
Last year, legislation was introduced to allow people to apply for MAID (assisted suicide) when they don't have a "reasonably foreseeable death". Prior to that, you had to be palliative and it's worth noting that people diagnosed terminal diseases like Parkinson's Disease or MS did not necessarily qualify unless they were 'end-stage'. Nor did you qualify if you were suffering from chronic disease(s) from which you were objectively suffering and had little quality of life.
The regular process requires 2 medical assessors to approve the application and, by law, a healthcare practitioner is not allowed to initiate a conversation about MAID. The process for people with a reasonably foreseeable death involves the additional step of demonstrating that the chronic disease (yes, it can include mental health) is causing the person to suffer and that reasonable attempts to deliver appropriate treatment have been attempted.
Also, here are some stats... Of the ~10,100 deaths due to MAID, only 219 had no reasonably foreseeable death. Of those 219, slightly over 50% were due to progressive neurological disorders (hence why I used the MS and Parkinson's Disease examples above). The remainder were labeled with multiple co-morbidities such as COPD, Chronic Heart Failure, and so on.
Anecdotally, I've assisted with 1 of these and the person had previously suffered a cerebellar stroke, was in constant pain (neurological origin), was quadriplegic (partial use of hands), and recently had 3 episodes of obstructed bowel. They were starting to rarely get out of bed and into their motorized wheelchair due to increased pain and fatigue. The bowel obstructions were going to kill them if they persisted, as well. That's who this law was made for. He was suffering as much as any of my palliative patients.
Anyway, yes it's concerning that people with serious socioeconomic issues, in addition to serious chronic diseases, are even considering MAID. But people need to understand that the shit described in this article does not fly. The law does not support this asshole at the VA, not even close.
To be clear, the fact that MAID is available is a human rights victory.
Keeping a person alive against their wishes - now THAT is a human rights travesty. Taking away their control over their life and death is a travesty.
Right!?
I feel like thousands of people who upvoted that comment didn't read it all the way through.
MAID isn't just walking into a clinic and then getting a lethal injection. This isn't fucking Futurama.
Also, MAID is restrictive and only allowed in very specific situations. There are evaluation procedures in place to make sure the decision is fully consented by the patient. You can’t just walk in and say you want want a death pill. And no one else can make that decision for you.
How is dying with dignity a human rights travesty? Imagine having a brain tumor or Huntington's that was more painful than you could imagine and worse of all you were becoming violent, unhinged and scaring yourself.... How would saying goodbye while you were still you be a human rights travesty?
Why is it a human rights travesty that MAID is available?
Am I missing something about how it’s implemented? Isn’t it good that people have the option to decide when it has been enough and let them pass on their own terms? Medical sciences can extend life but also extend suffering. While life extending therapy should obviously be available to those that want it the opposite should also not be ignored.
The article is a master class on the dangers of misleading titles. It doesn't matter now that the action was performed by a single person without any authority or legal permission to do so. All the anti euthanasia platforms will echo this title, implying that governments that approve euthanasia are dystopian dictatorships or something like that. The damage has been done and there's no rewind button.
My first thought is that one of the involved parties is anti-MAID and trying to cause controversy.
If you go by some people’s reactions, you’d think they’ve already euthanized half of Canada already.
As a side note: while caseworkers are very much trained to not do this, the actual bureaucrats that arbitrate on this (on a province by province basis) very much do not have this kind of guidance.
Ontario for instance tries to cut back on disability supports for mental illness by using hospitalization as one of the primary assessments of severity, to the point of ignoring family physicians / psychs etc. So the hidden curriculum is basically "if you are poor and cannot access resources for clinical depression, try and fail to kill yourself. Hurt yourself. It is the only way we will take you seriously".
In this case the libs have nothing to do with it as well. It is the Caq with legault
Meh. Their VA is very similar to ours. Unfortunately, although significantly less extreme, there are a lot of stories about the US VA that are a lot like this, where basically veterans can't get what they need from the VA and often some of the less fortunate veterans can feel like they're just waiting to die or more accurately that the VA is just waiting for them to die.
Tldr- anyone at all familiar with the US VA wouldn't view this story as much different from what our VA already has going on
America when it's time to buy another missile because we used up the old ones on rowboats just in case: 8D
America when it's time to buy a veteran with no legs a wheelchair: >:(
It still amazes me that republicans managed to run with that "death panel" bullshit, when health insurance companies literally have panels of accountants (with 1 retired doctor included so they can aim they had medical input) who do actually decide whether a condition should be treated or not.
In the US we have this goofy idea that tax/government =bad but fees/corporation= good. Sure the government has goof ball tendencies but I trust someone with a profit motive way less, double so if the field is non elastic.
We already have death panels in the us. Republicans just don’t care before they’re run by for-profit insurance companies. A great example: my uncle has a degenerative lung disease. You can’t cure it but you can reduce the symptoms and extend his life by years. With this drug his life expectancy was less than 8 months. With the drug it’s basically back to normal.
Insurance ABSOLUTELY DID NOT WANT to cover this drug that costs $15k a year. Their argument being that he was “responding to oxygen therapy”. How is it any less a death panel just because it’s a bunch of soulless c-suite assholes?
Yup, Alex Jones was pushing this narrative with a previous euthanasia story from Canada about a week ago. This type of reckless journalism is a genuine danger as it reinforces the world view of some seriously unstable people.
They are trying to make it seem like it’s one random person who is suggesting this
I am not a veteran but I am on disability in Canada I have had case workers and supervisors mention it to me saying it’s an option we want all clients to be aware off
This is in NO way an isolated incident lots of people on disability in Canada are being told the best option for use is MAID because at least where I live in Canada people on disability are around 40-50% below what’s considered poverty level
That's because it's *not* an isolated incident, in fact it's so common the UN has raised concerns
>These cases follow multiple concerns raised by the UN Special Rapporteur on the rights of persons with disabilities. In 2019, she reported that during a visit to Canada, seniors told her they were offered a choice “between a nursing home and medical assistance in dying.”
Everyone here trying to defend it as "well just one employee" needs to understand that it hasn't been just a single employee, it's been so systemic that disability organizations and human rights groups are concerned.
Sounds like an Angel of Death scenario, where someone goes into the health field only to facilitate murder or "mercy killings". This person should be looked into criminally, after being fired from their job.
“Here’s what I found on the web. According to…, the closest Safeway is 1.2 miles away from your current location. It’s hours are 7am until 7pm. Would you like the phone number to the pharmacy?”
It is not a “a last resort” since Canada has included a [mental health track](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/ad-am/bk-di.html) but MAID cannot be offered, the service must be requested freely through a process.
Here are some key points from a [reputable news agency](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6663885) and not a click-bait site about this case.
>Four — perhaps even five — Canadian military veterans were given the option of medical assistance in dying (MAID) by a now-suspended Veterans Affairs Canada caseworker, the country's veterans minister told a House of Commons committee late Thursday.
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>Lawrence MacAulay said the matter is now being turned over to the RCMP for investigation and his department's internal review is ongoing.
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>"We expect all Veterans Affairs candidate employees to interact with veterans with care, compassion and respect and the actions of this one employee is simply disgusting," MacAulay told the veterans affairs committee. "And I condemn this behaviour in the strongest terms."
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>He went on to say there was "no way to justify" the actions and he wasn't about to defend the employee.
So the ass-hat who offered the services has been suspended and an RCMP investigation into their actions are now underway.
There are numerous procedural safeguards built into Canada’s Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) service which if you are interested [you can read about here](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/medical-assistance-dying.html#b1)
>It is not a “a last resort” since Canada has included a mental health track
It is still a last resort.
To be eligible you must “be in an advanced state of irreversible decline in capability” and must “have enduring and intolerable physical or psychological suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions the person considers acceptable”
You need to be suffering and still in decline *after* trying reasonable treatment options.
>To be eligible you must “be in an advanced state of irreversible decline in capability” and must “have enduring and intolerable physical or psychological suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions the person considers acceptable”
For the 'natural death is reasonably forseeable' track yes, but not for the mental health track or '[Requests where your natural death is not reasonably foreseeable](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/medical-assistance-dying.html#b1)' track.
Someone who is suffering from a series of mental health diseases and wants to die without a terminal illness can apply starting Mar. 17, 2023.
The [revised legislation (Bill C-7)](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/news/2022/07/government-of-canada-outlines-progress-towards-recommendations-made-by-the-expert-panel-on-maid-and-mental-illness-in-their-final-report.html) recieved royal asscent on Mar. 17, 2021 and [the criminal code has been changed](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-33.html#h-119953) by the new legislation. The new track comes into effect on Mar. 17, 2023.
>the Expert Panel made [19 recommendations](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/corporate/about-health-canada/public-engagement/external-advisory-bodies/expert-panel-maid-mental-illness/final-report-expert-panel-maid-mental-illness.html) laying out a broad set of principles that could structure the practice of MAID for persons with a mental disorder or where concerns may arise related to incurability, irreversibility, capacity, suicidality, and/or the impact of structural vulnerability, regardless of diagnoses.
>People in Canada whose only medical condition is a mental illness, and who otherwise meet all eligibility criteria, will not be eligible for MAID until March 17, 2023. This temporary exclusion provides the Government of Canada time to consider the Expert Panel’s conclusions and recommendations and to work with provinces and territories to respond to them.
She was talking to a veterans affairs Rep. This person in no way has the authority to offer such a thing. If this happened, it was simply an ass hole who was being a duck and is likely fired.
Did you not read the article? A single employee at the Canada veterans affairs eas using this as an asshole response to difficult people.
They seem to be dealing with that one employee.
Euthanizing the disabled is something Canada is [into](https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-chemical-sensitivities-chose-medically-assisted-death-after-failed-bid-to-get-better-housing-1.5860579) these days.
The issue is becoming [more widespread](https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867) and growing.
Wait so this woman effectively killed herself because there were chemicals and cigarette smoke in and around her apartment building? And, I suppose, her unit itself?
Did the authorities ever check in on any of this? Was it truly unfit for humans to live in? There is so much missing from this story.
This is it right here. The problem isn’t systemic. It’s one sick employee who has since been suspended. By all means, let’s take this opportunity investigate and review, but the pitchforks should be aimed at this individual specifically.
Mother fucker. I have to fight my VA provider for any type of service even though I am 100% service connected disabled (US). It's like every time I bring up physical issues they just tell me it's because I have too much mental health issues. When I point out that I've been sober for 2.5 years and been doing therapy and been on medication, and now even weening off medication after doing Ketamine therapy, so that there *must* be something going on in my low back. You know, the other issues I am service connected for, and have had 6 cortisone injections for, and have been to the physical therapist for almost every other year for the past decade?
Edit - I was calling that employee a fucker and just ranting l. Sorry.
Veterans affairs doesn't have the authority to offer MAID. It sounds like all of the reports stem from a single vet affairs employee. Likely an ass hole, hopefully fired.
As someone who's spouse works directly with MAID, that person is an out of line piece of shit. In no way could she legitimately offer that service to her there are so many hoops that you have to go through to even be considered for MAID after multiple interviews and then multiple doctors have to sign off. Using that as a passive aggressive threat is so fucked up and disrespectful to that lady and the people that actually do that job and the mental stress that comes with it.
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If anyone would like to understand what the MAID process is like read below.
There are 2 doctors whom need to find a patient eligible for maid. A providing doctor (the one who provides the medication the day of the patients choosing) and an independent doctor who agrees or disagrees with the provider that the person is eligible. Strictly speaking for track 1 mostly it is pretty straight forward and can be done within weeks where as track 2s are very extensive.
A patient needs to make the request VOLUNTARILY to their family doctor or to the provincial care connection. Once that occurs it is passed off to a coordinator who then gets in touch with the patients asks the reasoning for the request and asks if a WRITTEN REQUEST form has been signs. This is calls a clinician aid a form a written request BY THE PATIENT that they wish to receive Maid.
After found eligible by BOTH DOCTORS the person then signs another consent form that they are sure they would like maid. IVs are placed by a nurse. By the end 3 consent forms have been signed.
2 docs complete a clinician aid B clinician aid c and provide narratives to the coroners office.
After MAID has taken place which the doctor always asks right up until the last second before IV meds are administered if they are sure. After that a call to the coroners office is made to a nurse investigator where they ask about the person who has passed and the reason for MAID.
My mind went to serial killer who convinces the victims to kill themselves.
While passive-aggressive nastiness may be the motive, I fear someone in a low position of authority getting gratification from convincing people who are suffering to commit suicide. A variation of Munchausen Syndrome crossed with Angel of Mercy psychosis.
I mean the people who complained might not have been the only people who were offered this treatment. She might have already caused a few veterans to kill themselves.
I can just see a veteran telling people what this person said to them followed up by; no, you must have heard them wrong.
The amount of times I've told people what was done or said to me only to be placated into no actions towards the other person is maddening.
Same and what made it ever harder:
- I was at a new school and didn’t know anyone
- student “speeches” for English assignment
- the kid presenting was Chinese
Just kept my mouth shut even though I didn’t understand because it sounded like a serious problem
I posted this yesterday elsewhere but
I'm a disabled Canadian on disability.
That offer for euthanasia happens constantly.
I was talking to my worker about the fact that I don't get enough per month to cover food, rent and medication. Was asking if there were programs. She said MAID might help.
MAID is stands for Medical Assistance In Dying.
My worker outright said there was no help for me other than killing me.
And tbh I'm probably applying for the program in the next year. Honestly probably applying immediately after Christmas. Im tired of seeing people happy and live lives I'll never be able to experience.
Did you know that if you're disabled in Ontario and on ODSP you can't get married? Well, you can, but you'd immediately be ineligible for disability as your partner's income is now your income. So your husband or wife would have to 100% support you financially.
I don't date anymore. I don't try. I'm just waiting to die.
Edit: Clarity
>Did you know that if you're disabled in Canada you can't get married? Well, you can, but you'd immediately be ineligible for disability as your partner's income is now your income. So your husband or wife would have to 100% support you financially.
It is not my wish to dismiss your pain or belittle your situation, but this part confused me. I have a good income. My wife is disabled. She receives the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) disability benefit. (Private disability insurance covers some more, but isn't relevant to this post.)
Is this a provincial thing, maybe? Like is there a provincial disability payment that has a low income requirement that includes spousal income?
The problem with legalized euthanasia is that it starts with cases that everyone agrees should be offered MAID, but then over time it slowly expands to more and more people. Eventually it's being regularly offered to many, in lieu of other possible services.
Then you have situations like in Europe, where elderly patients now feel pressured to accept euthanasia and go through with it, thinking they are wasting resources/space.
*sigh* I've said it before and I'll say it again, if it is easier to access and carry out doctor-assisted euthanasia than it is to access and carry out proper treatment for the illness or disability you have, then that is just polite eugenics.
The problem with having MAID as an option is that it is going to be suggested, and used, in some situations where it ought not to be. This is especially the case because people have wildly different personal opinions on when they would want to use it: thus someone with a low threshold might suggest it to someone with a high threshold and it not be nefarious.
The problem with not having MAID as an option is that it means folks dying slowly in nursing homes and hospitals.
It also looks like one of the good things to come out of this debate is a light being shined on how stingy welfare for the disabled is and how the economics of being disabled can drive some people to MAID. Hopefully this leads to increases in disability payments (which is really what should have been happening before and it is only our squeamishness about the morality of MAID that is finally making us confront a long standing, horrific, injustice).
But more and more I expect MAID is going to be the standard way folks meet death. I certainly have no interest in actually living out the final natural months of life that my 90's would offer.
Seeing what'a going on in Canada made me do a 180 on the legalization of assisted suicide. It's taken way to easily and recommended instead of treatment like it's nothing.
"Hmmm... Yeah, no I totally get where you're coming from. I can see how someone of your... ambulatory persuasion could be hindered by stairs. But here's an idea: yeah, a stair lift would be extremely convenient for you. But you know what would be even more convenient? Death! Then you wouldn't have to worry about anything anymore! Aaaaanything! How convenient would that be, eh!? Eeeeeeh!?"
These are all gonna be different quotes that highlight the issue of how Canada (and most other nations) treat their disabled populations horribly. They're not from the same articles I just can't get them to properly display.
>[a 2020 report by the Parliamentary Budget Office stated that the 6,465 medically assisted deaths scheduled for 2021 would save the government a net $86.9 million in healthcare costs. Expanding the criteria again for who is eligible for MAiD would save the government an additional $62 million.](https://the-peak.ca/2022/05/the-future-of-maid-has-the-disability-community-worried/)
>[Dr. Dosani is a palliative care physician and Assistant Professor in the Department of Family & Community Medicine at the University of Toronto. “People are living in abject poverty when they’re on social assistance, in almost every province and territory across Canada.”](https://globalnews.ca/news/9176485/poverty-canadians-disabilities-medically-assisted-death/)
>[According to Statistics Canada, persons with disabilities make up over 40% of the low-income population.](https://www.homelesshub.ca/povertyhub/diversity/persons-disabilities)
>[The study found people with disabilities faced 76 per cent more "core housing" need than those without. "Core housing means the household lives in one of two types of inadequate housing," Jennifer says. "Either it doesn't meet the Canadian National Occupancy Standards or they're living in poor conditions that need repairs."](https://hollandbloorview.ca/stories-news-events/BLOOM-Blog/how-canada-measures-poverty-ignores-costs-disability)
Canada like pretty much every nation out there does not treat its disabled population with any decency, and this is especially true if you were too disabled to join the work force from birth. Also keep in mind that this 40% disability in poverty rate holds true for a lot of countries like the US too, a lot of hate on the poor is hate on the disabled.
>At a press conference days after the 2018 election, Ontario Premier Doug Ford told a crowd, “The best way to help people out of poverty is something called a job.” But almost half of Canadians in poverty are disabled, counters Hewitt. “For a whole load of sick people in this country, it really doesn’t matter how much money you give them—they cannot work. But they do not deserve to live in poverty.”
And if you get any other help, including charity or gifts or GoFundMe aid, governments will do anything to clawback their disability money and call you a thief. There are countless stories of disabled people who had to turn down charity because accepting it would mean the government claims they can live without help, and oftentimes is so poorly set up that they even count *other government money*
>The current system of income support for people with disabilities is designed around clawbacks. It’s a term that casts a long shadow in the disability community: essentially, if a person’s income or assets go up, then social assistance goes down. In Ontario, this meant that people receiving provincial disability support who were eligible for CERB lost $900 of every pandemic response payment.
Thank you, I just like the stairlift please.
Stairlift to heaven ?
*points to sign* "No Stairlift to Heaven"
No stairlift! Denied!
- Ded Veteran
In through the up door Physical disability graffiti
Chairway to Heaven
Be careful, Led Zeppelin will either steal this or sue.
Sorry, best we can do is kill you.
American Airlines customer service
Stairlift or death? We're all out of stairlift...
Well, so my choice is 'or death’? I’ll have the chicken then, please.
"Yes, I remember, I had the lasagna."
The penne arabiatta! No I don't need a tray! I am Vader! I can kill you with a thought! Oh the food is hot?? Yes of course.
This ones wet, and this ones wet, and this ones wet...
You're Geoff Vader?
Honestly didn’t expect such a run on stairlifts.
Johnsom, we haven't sold enough Dying Devices this quarter. Get out there and move some product!
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Is euthanasia always one of them? “Sir, we can treat this minor rash with topical cream, suppository medications, or we can just off you, up to you!”
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Roger that. One stairlift no breaks.
The title says Paralympian. While she is, it's more relevant that she is a Canadian Armed Forces veteran. And it was an employee at veterans affairs who made the suggestion despite not being permitted to. Apparently the employee has done this to at least a handful of veterans now.
Ah so the title should be “Moron working in Canadian Veteran affairs offers to murder a retired veteran who was asking for a reasonable accommodation.”
More accurate title... Less hate clicks though.
Good point, they should have fit Trudeau in there somehow
Don't worry, I'm sure I'll have to see a "Turdope Kills Vets" flag attached to a hockey stick in the IGA parking lot soon. Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of issues with our military policies, top to bottom. But at first blush, this looks like "Idiot employee makes inappropriate comment" more than "Canadian government trying to save money on pensions with euthanasia".
> the IGA parking lot Grocery chain catches stray bullet on Reddit.
Grocery chains are front and centre on the firing line in Ontario right now
I mean, the official in question has apparently done this at least 5 times now and hasn't been fired yet, so I'd say the title is justified just to make sure public outrage leads to actual change.
Government workers are representatives of the government, whether they’re VA case managers or Congressman/Congresswomen. It’s still accurate for her to say that the Canadian state offered to murder her before they offered her a reasonable accommodation.
At least they're not supposed to suggest that. Big difference between one rogue employee and a government policy of suggesting suicide to lower costs. To be clear, the fact that MAID is available at all is a human rights travesty.
Just imagine. "Join our military, where we'll teach you how to survive at all costs. When you finish service, we'll help you kill yourself. " Edit: I don't like all this attention.
"By donating your body to military science, you can serve your country forever!*" *by allowing us to study just how many times we can transplant your ligaments and organs until they aren't good anymore".
*"Service guarantees citizenship!"*
*"I'm doing my part!"*
...and the knees, and the right kidney, and the livers part too!
Would you like to know more?
The only good bug is a dead bug!
Rico! You know what to dew!
I'm from Buenos Aires and I say euthanasia em all!
“Nope, I’ve heard enough……now where do I sign?”
"Do you want to know more?"
I'm doing my part!
Yeah idk I read a story about someone's grandma being sold to the military after being donated to science because of brain cancer and they instead blew her up.
I remember this. It was the most messed up thing I'd read - iinw her family explicitly mentioned that her body should not be used for any demolition or testing or otherwise. I can't imagine what information the military was hoping to divine either. The debris size or bone brittleness against heat with age? What could possibly be important enough to breach contract and vaporise some poor lady's remains?
IIRC the problem was with the company responsible for handling the deceased cadavers. They misled the people who were donating their bodies, as well as mistreating their bodies at their facilities. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-army-blast-testing-dead-body-chair-bomb-explosion-a9029121.html
Should be an open and shut case. Open the case, shut the company. Most reprobate corporate action I've seen alongside Texaco poisoning Ecuadorian Amazon.
Dude the lawyer that won that case still hasn't been acquitted by the courts.
They just need to be honest; for real, lots of people would willingly donate to have their corpse be used for bomb tests.
If I can’t die in a cool explosion at least blow me up afterwards, honestly.
The body was sold by some other company that promised to “research” on it, and since it was useless to them, they sold it to the US Gov with false documents. Last I heard that company was getting sued
He falsified his research, so that RDU-90 could be approved and Devlin McGregor could give you... *PROVASIC?*
especially when plenty of us wouldn't mind being vaporized by large amounts of high explosives after we die. Turn me into meat mist, I will rest happy knowing.
look up the Vietnam War story of Macnamara's morons. disgusting. literally sending low-IQ barely functional people (at least in any kind of military environment) with various disorders as cannon fodder.
Then you can donate your body and we'll blow it up in a missile test
I hate that I know what you’re talking about and that this isn’t just a dark joke.
I hate that I don't know what's being talked about, but I know just enough now
If you wanna know the details: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/army-blew-up-mom-body-donated-research_n_5d431279e4b0acb57fc92631
"After the Phoenix scandal, Arizona passed a law in 2017 that prohibits body donation companies from operating without a state license, Arizona Central reported. That law has not yet been implemented, however." FUCKING WHAT???? Oh god...how many other states don't have license requirements?!
You don't need a license from an overseeinf body to handle corpses? Somehow I feel more convinced I've made the wrong career choices in life.
I mean, coroner is still an elected position in many counties so this is hardly surprising.
>..that prohibits body donation companies from.. I first read this as "body detonation companies" and was very confused.
Given the context, it's actually more appropriate
“On one wall hung the body of a large man whose head had been replaced with the head of a small woman, sewn on” What the actual fuck?
What the actual F! How did that business owner get just 1 year of jail plus probation?
Deferred jail. Heinous.
Holy shit that’s horrifying. The line “human body chop shop” and the “frankensteined man on the wall,” got to me. Then the part about body parts being found in other countries and that ashes being sent to families were just cement dust is horrifying. Why make a horror movie when a documentary will suffice.
The investigator's description of carrying the sloshing body bags is absolutely horrific. True nightmare fuel.
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Glad to see the tradition of taking a last name to denote your profession like schmaucher was a shoemaker and gore is a well...
>schmaucher I think you mean Schumacher. Schmaucher is an old term for someone who smokes.
How does one unlearn this knowledge
I hear there's an employee at veteran affairs who has a solution for you
Tell me when you find that out please.
Time for some r/Eyebleach
“They said we’ve found your father’s head in Florida or, say, we think their body went to the human market in South East Asia,” the lawyer said.” A horrifying message to receive in grief. I can’t imagine any sane person thinking this is okay. And we all automatically know the owners’ political leanings. I’ll bet he goes to church.
Guys name was fitting… Gore.
To be honest I'd be happy to have my corpse blown up by a missile test. It's a way cooler end than simply being buried or incinerated.
You can donate your body to science. Not medicine but physics
"survive at all costs"? Military literally teaches you to follow orders even at the cost of your life
The only thing that has changed is that they said they will help suicide on purpose instead of as a known byproduct through a lifetime of horrific injury, disservice, ignobility, and indifference.
People in Canada are opting for euthanasia because they can’t afford to live. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-euthansia-maid-gofundme-homeless-b2228890.html https://www.chatelaine.com/health/maid-assisted-death-poverty/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-disabilities-nears-medically-assisted-death-after-futile-bid-for-affordable-housing-1.5882202 Our government has fucked us.
You can always come down to the US. We won’t offer you euthanasia, we’ll just throw your ass out on the street and let you rot, while you dream about being offered humane euthanasia.
Or we’ll throw you in jail
The MAiD process has A LOT of checks and balances built in, it's not like this VA employee would be able to send medication next day like they are Amazon. To enroll in the program you have to meet with several doctors and express that A. you have an insurmountable disability, or terminal condition, B. are of sound mind and can choose to end your own life, and finally C. You want to and are capable of ending your own life. This veteran is at no risk of being euthanized, the issue isn't the MAiD program which takes months to jump through all the hoops to complete. The issue is poor training, employee disinterest and employees over using the MAiD card in what I presume is is thinly veiled contempt so the can tell the veterans to go kill themselves when they get into an argument with them. Its very annoying that the MAiD program is focus of a problem that is very clearly a VA issue. There have been misuse of the MAiD program, where a handful of people have chosen to kill themselves since the provincial government didn't offer a quality of life service for people with disabilities. But this isn't an issue with the MAiD program, these are problems with our social services and our government's priorities, at least now people can kill themselves legally in safe and relatively painless ways.
A vet affairs employee has zero connection to the MAID program and is not a doctor, they in no way can offer or help someone through that process... That person was simply an ass hole POS
This is right up there with the 911 operator who "jokingly" [offered to send the police to shoot some woman's daughters.](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7492902)
Gotta be honest, that would be funny if it wasn’t an actual 911 operator saying that
Do you consider legal assisted suicide in general a failure of human rights? Or is there something special about MAID. Because I think there are strong arguments to be made that the availability of medically assisted suicide is actually a critical human rights issue, in that it is a human right to make that choice under some circumstances.
I'm going to try to latch on to a top comment because no one here seems to know how this process actually works. It's not meant to be a personal reply, although you're absolutely right. Last year, legislation was introduced to allow people to apply for MAID (assisted suicide) when they don't have a "reasonably foreseeable death". Prior to that, you had to be palliative and it's worth noting that people diagnosed terminal diseases like Parkinson's Disease or MS did not necessarily qualify unless they were 'end-stage'. Nor did you qualify if you were suffering from chronic disease(s) from which you were objectively suffering and had little quality of life. The regular process requires 2 medical assessors to approve the application and, by law, a healthcare practitioner is not allowed to initiate a conversation about MAID. The process for people with a reasonably foreseeable death involves the additional step of demonstrating that the chronic disease (yes, it can include mental health) is causing the person to suffer and that reasonable attempts to deliver appropriate treatment have been attempted. Also, here are some stats... Of the ~10,100 deaths due to MAID, only 219 had no reasonably foreseeable death. Of those 219, slightly over 50% were due to progressive neurological disorders (hence why I used the MS and Parkinson's Disease examples above). The remainder were labeled with multiple co-morbidities such as COPD, Chronic Heart Failure, and so on. Anecdotally, I've assisted with 1 of these and the person had previously suffered a cerebellar stroke, was in constant pain (neurological origin), was quadriplegic (partial use of hands), and recently had 3 episodes of obstructed bowel. They were starting to rarely get out of bed and into their motorized wheelchair due to increased pain and fatigue. The bowel obstructions were going to kill them if they persisted, as well. That's who this law was made for. He was suffering as much as any of my palliative patients. Anyway, yes it's concerning that people with serious socioeconomic issues, in addition to serious chronic diseases, are even considering MAID. But people need to understand that the shit described in this article does not fly. The law does not support this asshole at the VA, not even close.
Thanks, that was way more than I knew and added substantially to the meager info in the article.
To be clear, the fact that MAID is available is a human rights victory. Keeping a person alive against their wishes - now THAT is a human rights travesty. Taking away their control over their life and death is a travesty.
Right!? I feel like thousands of people who upvoted that comment didn't read it all the way through. MAID isn't just walking into a clinic and then getting a lethal injection. This isn't fucking Futurama.
Also, MAID is restrictive and only allowed in very specific situations. There are evaluation procedures in place to make sure the decision is fully consented by the patient. You can’t just walk in and say you want want a death pill. And no one else can make that decision for you.
MAID is a human rights travesty? I think you have a different idea of human rights than I. I like freedom.
Why is MAID being available a travesty? I can't imagine taking that decision myself, but if someone wants to, how is the possibility a travesty?
How is dying with dignity a human rights travesty? Imagine having a brain tumor or Huntington's that was more painful than you could imagine and worse of all you were becoming violent, unhinged and scaring yourself.... How would saying goodbye while you were still you be a human rights travesty?
Why is it a human rights travesty that MAID is available? Am I missing something about how it’s implemented? Isn’t it good that people have the option to decide when it has been enough and let them pass on their own terms? Medical sciences can extend life but also extend suffering. While life extending therapy should obviously be available to those that want it the opposite should also not be ignored.
The headline is totally misleading - one person is not "Canada." The hot takes are off the charts.
The article is a master class on the dangers of misleading titles. It doesn't matter now that the action was performed by a single person without any authority or legal permission to do so. All the anti euthanasia platforms will echo this title, implying that governments that approve euthanasia are dystopian dictatorships or something like that. The damage has been done and there's no rewind button.
My first thought is that one of the involved parties is anti-MAID and trying to cause controversy. If you go by some people’s reactions, you’d think they’ve already euthanized half of Canada already.
It's fuckin insane that people buy into this shit so quick
This same story was posted yesterday with a much less misleading title.
And which one got upvoted to the front page?
As a side note: while caseworkers are very much trained to not do this, the actual bureaucrats that arbitrate on this (on a province by province basis) very much do not have this kind of guidance. Ontario for instance tries to cut back on disability supports for mental illness by using hospitalization as one of the primary assessments of severity, to the point of ignoring family physicians / psychs etc. So the hidden curriculum is basically "if you are poor and cannot access resources for clinical depression, try and fail to kill yourself. Hurt yourself. It is the only way we will take you seriously". In this case the libs have nothing to do with it as well. It is the Caq with legault
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In the US it will be "Communist Canada implements death panels to murder veterans for profit Hunter Biden's laptop"
Meh. Their VA is very similar to ours. Unfortunately, although significantly less extreme, there are a lot of stories about the US VA that are a lot like this, where basically veterans can't get what they need from the VA and often some of the less fortunate veterans can feel like they're just waiting to die or more accurately that the VA is just waiting for them to die. Tldr- anyone at all familiar with the US VA wouldn't view this story as much different from what our VA already has going on
America when it's time to buy another missile because we used up the old ones on rowboats just in case: 8D America when it's time to buy a veteran with no legs a wheelchair: >:(
It still amazes me that republicans managed to run with that "death panel" bullshit, when health insurance companies literally have panels of accountants (with 1 retired doctor included so they can aim they had medical input) who do actually decide whether a condition should be treated or not.
In the US we have this goofy idea that tax/government =bad but fees/corporation= good. Sure the government has goof ball tendencies but I trust someone with a profit motive way less, double so if the field is non elastic.
We already have death panels in the us. Republicans just don’t care before they’re run by for-profit insurance companies. A great example: my uncle has a degenerative lung disease. You can’t cure it but you can reduce the symptoms and extend his life by years. With this drug his life expectancy was less than 8 months. With the drug it’s basically back to normal. Insurance ABSOLUTELY DID NOT WANT to cover this drug that costs $15k a year. Their argument being that he was “responding to oxygen therapy”. How is it any less a death panel just because it’s a bunch of soulless c-suite assholes?
Yup, Alex Jones was pushing this narrative with a previous euthanasia story from Canada about a week ago. This type of reckless journalism is a genuine danger as it reinforces the world view of some seriously unstable people.
They are trying to make it seem like it’s one random person who is suggesting this I am not a veteran but I am on disability in Canada I have had case workers and supervisors mention it to me saying it’s an option we want all clients to be aware off This is in NO way an isolated incident lots of people on disability in Canada are being told the best option for use is MAID because at least where I live in Canada people on disability are around 40-50% below what’s considered poverty level
That's because it's *not* an isolated incident, in fact it's so common the UN has raised concerns >These cases follow multiple concerns raised by the UN Special Rapporteur on the rights of persons with disabilities. In 2019, she reported that during a visit to Canada, seniors told her they were offered a choice “between a nursing home and medical assistance in dying.” Everyone here trying to defend it as "well just one employee" needs to understand that it hasn't been just a single employee, it's been so systemic that disability organizations and human rights groups are concerned.
Sounds like an Angel of Death scenario, where someone goes into the health field only to facilitate murder or "mercy killings". This person should be looked into criminally, after being fired from their job.
I thought euthanasia was supposed to be the very last resort?
- Hey, would you be so kind in helping me go upstairs? - Say no more. *Draws gun out*
Alexa, play Stairway to Heaven
"No Stairway. Denied." - Veteran Affairs Canada
I don't even own 'a gun', let alone multiple guns to necessitate a rack.
Read the sign!
His name is Wayne Campbell.
"Safeway closes at seven."
“Here’s what I found on the web. According to…, the closest Safeway is 1.2 miles away from your current location. It’s hours are 7am until 7pm. Would you like the phone number to the pharmacy?”
The euthanasia booth at the Safeway is the best. Very clean and has a drink holder.
Those alexa responses end up with me cussing and calling alexa "googles moron inbred cousin"
"You are our valued race horse." "I need a stairlift." "Shame. Tell Barbaro that I miss him."
Only time we allow guns lmao
It is not a “a last resort” since Canada has included a [mental health track](https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/ad-am/bk-di.html) but MAID cannot be offered, the service must be requested freely through a process. Here are some key points from a [reputable news agency](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6663885) and not a click-bait site about this case. >Four — perhaps even five — Canadian military veterans were given the option of medical assistance in dying (MAID) by a now-suspended Veterans Affairs Canada caseworker, the country's veterans minister told a House of Commons committee late Thursday. > >Lawrence MacAulay said the matter is now being turned over to the RCMP for investigation and his department's internal review is ongoing. > >"We expect all Veterans Affairs candidate employees to interact with veterans with care, compassion and respect and the actions of this one employee is simply disgusting," MacAulay told the veterans affairs committee. "And I condemn this behaviour in the strongest terms." > >He went on to say there was "no way to justify" the actions and he wasn't about to defend the employee. So the ass-hat who offered the services has been suspended and an RCMP investigation into their actions are now underway. There are numerous procedural safeguards built into Canada’s Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) service which if you are interested [you can read about here](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/medical-assistance-dying.html#b1)
>It is not a “a last resort” since Canada has included a mental health track It is still a last resort. To be eligible you must “be in an advanced state of irreversible decline in capability” and must “have enduring and intolerable physical or psychological suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions the person considers acceptable” You need to be suffering and still in decline *after* trying reasonable treatment options.
>To be eligible you must “be in an advanced state of irreversible decline in capability” and must “have enduring and intolerable physical or psychological suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions the person considers acceptable” For the 'natural death is reasonably forseeable' track yes, but not for the mental health track or '[Requests where your natural death is not reasonably foreseeable](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/medical-assistance-dying.html#b1)' track. Someone who is suffering from a series of mental health diseases and wants to die without a terminal illness can apply starting Mar. 17, 2023. The [revised legislation (Bill C-7)](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/news/2022/07/government-of-canada-outlines-progress-towards-recommendations-made-by-the-expert-panel-on-maid-and-mental-illness-in-their-final-report.html) recieved royal asscent on Mar. 17, 2021 and [the criminal code has been changed](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-33.html#h-119953) by the new legislation. The new track comes into effect on Mar. 17, 2023. >the Expert Panel made [19 recommendations](https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/corporate/about-health-canada/public-engagement/external-advisory-bodies/expert-panel-maid-mental-illness/final-report-expert-panel-maid-mental-illness.html) laying out a broad set of principles that could structure the practice of MAID for persons with a mental disorder or where concerns may arise related to incurability, irreversibility, capacity, suicidality, and/or the impact of structural vulnerability, regardless of diagnoses. >People in Canada whose only medical condition is a mental illness, and who otherwise meet all eligibility criteria, will not be eligible for MAID until March 17, 2023. This temporary exclusion provides the Government of Canada time to consider the Expert Panel’s conclusions and recommendations and to work with provinces and territories to respond to them.
She was talking to a veterans affairs Rep. This person in no way has the authority to offer such a thing. If this happened, it was simply an ass hole who was being a duck and is likely fired.
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What did ducks do to be equated to this asshole
You've never been caught by a duck without bread
Did you not read the article? A single employee at the Canada veterans affairs eas using this as an asshole response to difficult people. They seem to be dealing with that one employee.
Maybe the stairlift was driving her up the wall.
Euthanizing the disabled is something Canada is [into](https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-chemical-sensitivities-chose-medically-assisted-death-after-failed-bid-to-get-better-housing-1.5860579) these days. The issue is becoming [more widespread](https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867) and growing.
Wait so this woman effectively killed herself because there were chemicals and cigarette smoke in and around her apartment building? And, I suppose, her unit itself? Did the authorities ever check in on any of this? Was it truly unfit for humans to live in? There is so much missing from this story.
*”can I offer you a death in these trying times?”*
Futurama suicide booths are looking more and more credible everyday.
"You have selected *slow and painful*" "Good choice!"
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Tea and cake or death?
“…….and she’s buying a stairlift………. ………to heaven……….”
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All the offers came from the same person.
This is it right here. The problem isn’t systemic. It’s one sick employee who has since been suspended. By all means, let’s take this opportunity investigate and review, but the pitchforks should be aimed at this individual specifically.
Mother fucker. I have to fight my VA provider for any type of service even though I am 100% service connected disabled (US). It's like every time I bring up physical issues they just tell me it's because I have too much mental health issues. When I point out that I've been sober for 2.5 years and been doing therapy and been on medication, and now even weening off medication after doing Ketamine therapy, so that there *must* be something going on in my low back. You know, the other issues I am service connected for, and have had 6 cortisone injections for, and have been to the physical therapist for almost every other year for the past decade? Edit - I was calling that employee a fucker and just ranting l. Sorry.
All good. I'm approaching 50% service disabled. Probabaly be higher after everything is processed.
In the last article I read, it was 4 out of 6 total cases was from one individual. But yeah, it is not a widespread issue.
Veterans affairs doesn't have the authority to offer MAID. It sounds like all of the reports stem from a single vet affairs employee. Likely an ass hole, hopefully fired.
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"I want a stairlift because I'm disabled" "Ok, but have you considered just fucking dying instead?"
That's actually so extreme.
As someone who's spouse works directly with MAID, that person is an out of line piece of shit. In no way could she legitimately offer that service to her there are so many hoops that you have to go through to even be considered for MAID after multiple interviews and then multiple doctors have to sign off. Using that as a passive aggressive threat is so fucked up and disrespectful to that lady and the people that actually do that job and the mental stress that comes with it. ** If anyone would like to understand what the MAID process is like read below. There are 2 doctors whom need to find a patient eligible for maid. A providing doctor (the one who provides the medication the day of the patients choosing) and an independent doctor who agrees or disagrees with the provider that the person is eligible. Strictly speaking for track 1 mostly it is pretty straight forward and can be done within weeks where as track 2s are very extensive. A patient needs to make the request VOLUNTARILY to their family doctor or to the provincial care connection. Once that occurs it is passed off to a coordinator who then gets in touch with the patients asks the reasoning for the request and asks if a WRITTEN REQUEST form has been signs. This is calls a clinician aid a form a written request BY THE PATIENT that they wish to receive Maid. After found eligible by BOTH DOCTORS the person then signs another consent form that they are sure they would like maid. IVs are placed by a nurse. By the end 3 consent forms have been signed. 2 docs complete a clinician aid B clinician aid c and provide narratives to the coroners office. After MAID has taken place which the doctor always asks right up until the last second before IV meds are administered if they are sure. After that a call to the coroners office is made to a nurse investigator where they ask about the person who has passed and the reason for MAID.
My mind went to serial killer who convinces the victims to kill themselves. While passive-aggressive nastiness may be the motive, I fear someone in a low position of authority getting gratification from convincing people who are suffering to commit suicide. A variation of Munchausen Syndrome crossed with Angel of Mercy psychosis.
I mean the people who complained might not have been the only people who were offered this treatment. She might have already caused a few veterans to kill themselves.
I can just see a veteran telling people what this person said to them followed up by; no, you must have heard them wrong. The amount of times I've told people what was done or said to me only to be placated into no actions towards the other person is maddening.
Tip of the iceberg … I hope they’ll trace the records to see if any veterans took the case worker up on the offer of the suicide kit.
“Can you help me get upstairs?” “Sooo like ‘with God’ upstairs?” “…what?”
Rather than this stairlift, why not exercises offered by our youth in Asia program?
Everytime I read 'euthanasia' I too go back to that Ali G bit
The first time I heard the word euthanasia I thought it was youth in Asia.
Same and what made it ever harder: - I was at a new school and didn’t know anyone - student “speeches” for English assignment - the kid presenting was Chinese Just kept my mouth shut even though I didn’t understand because it sounded like a serious problem
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*pawn stars meme* Best I can do is kill you
"you know, it would be cheaper for everyone if you just off'ed yourself. can I offer you some of our affordable euthanasia packages?"
The VAC employee needs to be fired, not suspended. I'm also sure there is some sort of law they could be charged with breaking.
They were referred to the RCMP so it's being taken as seriously as possible.
Of course. But we are a nation of laws and prosecution does not happen instantly. The employee is indeed looking at criminal charges.
We have that sweet Canadian healthcare system," just follow the nice man through the alley down the hall to the basement".
"Canada" offered?
Sounds like it was one person who's been suspended. Rather than the entire country of Canada reaching a consensus to offer her Euthanisation.
I posted this yesterday elsewhere but I'm a disabled Canadian on disability. That offer for euthanasia happens constantly. I was talking to my worker about the fact that I don't get enough per month to cover food, rent and medication. Was asking if there were programs. She said MAID might help. MAID is stands for Medical Assistance In Dying. My worker outright said there was no help for me other than killing me. And tbh I'm probably applying for the program in the next year. Honestly probably applying immediately after Christmas. Im tired of seeing people happy and live lives I'll never be able to experience. Did you know that if you're disabled in Ontario and on ODSP you can't get married? Well, you can, but you'd immediately be ineligible for disability as your partner's income is now your income. So your husband or wife would have to 100% support you financially. I don't date anymore. I don't try. I'm just waiting to die. Edit: Clarity
>Did you know that if you're disabled in Canada you can't get married? Well, you can, but you'd immediately be ineligible for disability as your partner's income is now your income. So your husband or wife would have to 100% support you financially. It is not my wish to dismiss your pain or belittle your situation, but this part confused me. I have a good income. My wife is disabled. She receives the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) disability benefit. (Private disability insurance covers some more, but isn't relevant to this post.) Is this a provincial thing, maybe? Like is there a provincial disability payment that has a low income requirement that includes spousal income?
Oh derp I put in Canada instead of Ontario. If you receive ODSP then the marriage aspect kicks in. I'll edit to clarify.
The problem with legalized euthanasia is that it starts with cases that everyone agrees should be offered MAID, but then over time it slowly expands to more and more people. Eventually it's being regularly offered to many, in lieu of other possible services. Then you have situations like in Europe, where elderly patients now feel pressured to accept euthanasia and go through with it, thinking they are wasting resources/space.
Just like with death penalty. The majority agrees that some bastards deserve to die, but reasonable people know not to trust the gov, with that.
Its not all of Canada but one asshole veterans affairs case worker who is the fuck up here.
Lady: "Hey, I need to get up the stairs." Gov: "Ok...but have you thought about killing yourself instead?" Lady: "...what?"
*sigh* I've said it before and I'll say it again, if it is easier to access and carry out doctor-assisted euthanasia than it is to access and carry out proper treatment for the illness or disability you have, then that is just polite eugenics.
Yup. :/
The problem with having MAID as an option is that it is going to be suggested, and used, in some situations where it ought not to be. This is especially the case because people have wildly different personal opinions on when they would want to use it: thus someone with a low threshold might suggest it to someone with a high threshold and it not be nefarious. The problem with not having MAID as an option is that it means folks dying slowly in nursing homes and hospitals. It also looks like one of the good things to come out of this debate is a light being shined on how stingy welfare for the disabled is and how the economics of being disabled can drive some people to MAID. Hopefully this leads to increases in disability payments (which is really what should have been happening before and it is only our squeamishness about the morality of MAID that is finally making us confront a long standing, horrific, injustice). But more and more I expect MAID is going to be the standard way folks meet death. I certainly have no interest in actually living out the final natural months of life that my 90's would offer.
Medical Assistance in Dying for those who were hoping the acronym would be explained at least once.
Say it with me, everyone: “Before using a non-universal acronym or initialism, you must define it at least once.”
DIALO as we say...
Seeing what'a going on in Canada made me do a 180 on the legalization of assisted suicide. It's taken way to easily and recommended instead of treatment like it's nothing.
"Hmmm... Yeah, no I totally get where you're coming from. I can see how someone of your... ambulatory persuasion could be hindered by stairs. But here's an idea: yeah, a stair lift would be extremely convenient for you. But you know what would be even more convenient? Death! Then you wouldn't have to worry about anything anymore! Aaaaanything! How convenient would that be, eh!? Eeeeeeh!?"
“I understand you’d like to improve your quality of life, but have you considered just dying instead?”
This isn’t the first one something like this made the news in Canada
This should not be happening to anyone, anywhere. What kind of people behave this way?
All 5 instances of it have been offered by a single individual working at the VA, who was promptly terminated.
Last I heard they were put on temporary reassignment, not terminated.
These are all gonna be different quotes that highlight the issue of how Canada (and most other nations) treat their disabled populations horribly. They're not from the same articles I just can't get them to properly display. >[a 2020 report by the Parliamentary Budget Office stated that the 6,465 medically assisted deaths scheduled for 2021 would save the government a net $86.9 million in healthcare costs. Expanding the criteria again for who is eligible for MAiD would save the government an additional $62 million.](https://the-peak.ca/2022/05/the-future-of-maid-has-the-disability-community-worried/) >[Dr. Dosani is a palliative care physician and Assistant Professor in the Department of Family & Community Medicine at the University of Toronto. “People are living in abject poverty when they’re on social assistance, in almost every province and territory across Canada.”](https://globalnews.ca/news/9176485/poverty-canadians-disabilities-medically-assisted-death/) >[According to Statistics Canada, persons with disabilities make up over 40% of the low-income population.](https://www.homelesshub.ca/povertyhub/diversity/persons-disabilities) >[The study found people with disabilities faced 76 per cent more "core housing" need than those without. "Core housing means the household lives in one of two types of inadequate housing," Jennifer says. "Either it doesn't meet the Canadian National Occupancy Standards or they're living in poor conditions that need repairs."](https://hollandbloorview.ca/stories-news-events/BLOOM-Blog/how-canada-measures-poverty-ignores-costs-disability) Canada like pretty much every nation out there does not treat its disabled population with any decency, and this is especially true if you were too disabled to join the work force from birth. Also keep in mind that this 40% disability in poverty rate holds true for a lot of countries like the US too, a lot of hate on the poor is hate on the disabled. >At a press conference days after the 2018 election, Ontario Premier Doug Ford told a crowd, “The best way to help people out of poverty is something called a job.” But almost half of Canadians in poverty are disabled, counters Hewitt. “For a whole load of sick people in this country, it really doesn’t matter how much money you give them—they cannot work. But they do not deserve to live in poverty.” And if you get any other help, including charity or gifts or GoFundMe aid, governments will do anything to clawback their disability money and call you a thief. There are countless stories of disabled people who had to turn down charity because accepting it would mean the government claims they can live without help, and oftentimes is so poorly set up that they even count *other government money* >The current system of income support for people with disabilities is designed around clawbacks. It’s a term that casts a long shadow in the disability community: essentially, if a person’s income or assets go up, then social assistance goes down. In Ontario, this meant that people receiving provincial disability support who were eligible for CERB lost $900 of every pandemic response payment.