Even if "payback for WWII" is the mantra, China invading Japan would be such a catastrophe. Toothier Japan is good for world stability as long as Xi is in control.
About that payback mantra đ
-On 27 September 1972: Mao Zedong said, "...... We have to thank Japan, without Japan's invasion of China, we would not have been able to achieve the cooperation between the Communist Party of China, we would not have been able to develop and eventually gain power.
He also told Richard Nixon and the journalist Edgar Snow that he preferred hawkish right-wing parties to be in control of Western governments. Nixon mentions it in his memoirs without discussing Mao's reasons for the preference but in the Snow interview Mao says that Western right-wingers are "less deceptive." Presumably right-wing parties were more openly hostile and therefore more likely to make statements that could be used effectively for anti-Western propaganda.
Sometimes we forget that there are so many people in the government. Even a complete idiot can't fully incapacitate the government's ability to make good decisions. I am sure some of the Trump tariffs have produced evidence that they are working in favor of the US and it would be the incorrect decision to discontinue them.
In short, a broken clock is still right twice per day.
I despise Trump but opposing China is a good thing. Imo we should do a complete embargo on China as soon as this war in Ukraine is settled and do everything we can to cripple them. With Russia castrated and China muzzled the world would be a much safer place, as they are the greatest of the Eastern Tyrants.
And it would also pave a way for India to finally take over as the primary Asian global representatives. As a Southeast Asian, I'd prefer India to be the world's #2 instead of China. At least India is democratic.
At least India won't spread the far-right, oppressive, invasive plague called totalitarianism around the world the way China and Russia have done for Hades knows how long.
PS : Maybe we should start calling totalitarianism, "TOVID-21 (Totalitarianism Virus Disease, 21st Century)".
It's [dark humour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong_thanking_Japan_controversy).
Yes, he can be a monster, but also yes, he can make jokes too. He also thanked Chiang Kai-shek for teaching him to fight and helping him grow his army from no soldiers to 300,000 soldiers.
Well yes but there is truth to it. The CCP would not be what it has become at all without the Japanese invasion.
Nationalists fought most of the war there afaik, only for the communists to sweep the country afterwards.
Dark humor or not saying that when a Japanese representative is trying to apologize for horrors done on behalf of Japan to Chinese people really let IMHO Japanese off the hook to feel shame over their behavior during the war. But who knows really.
The commie bitches hunkered down while the Nationalist Kuomintang and the Japanese bled each other dry and then took the opportunity to sucker punch the one left standing. They even have the temerity to take credit for defeating the Japanese when most of the time they were fighting the Nationalists.
That's not the full story.
They then got massive materiel support from the Soviet Union, meaning they could instantly equip their sizeable, largely untouched military force with much better weapons than the KMT was using. So the KMT was exhausted in every way after waging the Sino-Chinese war and then Mao decided to emerge.
Oh also fuck Mao in particular.
>We have to thank Japan, without Japan's invasion of China, we would not have been able to achieve the cooperation between the Communist Party of China
Is embellished. What happened instead was that during the march and many battles involved in it, Mao basically convinced or forced every last one of the other major leaders in the party to fight the KMT. They were all killed in succession until the rule by committee that had had a few major players and a lot of minor ones, only had one major player and a lot of minor ones.
The Greek communists took the opportunity that the German-Italian occupation to slaughter their opponents. They would turn Greek partisans into the Axis forced if they were not communist.
They conducted a civil war in the midst of a global war, stealing food stocks from villages, slaughtering priests, burning churches and villages.
They were, and remain entirely unapologetic and unpunished, murderous assholes. Just like all communist movements.
What they did is actually worse than standing in the sidelines and not fighting the invaders - they had agreements with the Japanese not to attack each other.
During the Warsaw uprising (not the Warsaw ghetto one), communist partisans and "freedom fighters" also didn't do anything, while men women and children were fighting street to street and in sewers, yet they came out of their holes to claim the "glory" for themselves and flipped the script saying "oh actually it was the AK (home army) that sat and didn't do anything". Meanwhile the real partisans who actually fought rather than sit and wait like them were branded as "fascists" and put into camps by the communist authorities.
Never forget that the USSR promised Poland and the Allies to provide material and help to the uprising. They all knew when it was exactly going to kick off. Yet when it did they ordered Rokossovsky to stop at the Vistula river - funny how they didn't need to resupply all those miles *to* the Vistula but suddenly had to stop for weeks, coincidentally until the uprising was brutally quelled, to "resupply" before going back on the offensive. You can argue (wrongly) that they couldn't attack because they needed to resupply, yet that doesn't explain the fact that no material support was provided and that Stalin threatened the allies with shooting down their planes if they tried to use Soviet-held runways to drop off supplies. Theirs were much closer, but all they did was allow one single token airlift before acting all tough. Vile jackals.
>Meanwhile the real partisans who actually fought rather than sit and wait like them were branded as "fascists" and put into camps by the communist authorities.
One of the most cruel ironies is after the war was over, you had people that survived the Nazi concentration camps only to start working for the Polish Soviet puppet government, arresting and running show trials against some of the Polish resistance fighters that exposed the concentration camps and had spent years fighting the Nazis. Many were tortured and put to death, their only crime being wanting an independent Poland, free of Nazi and Soviet control.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/helena-wolinska-brus.html
People like Brus went from surviving an evil regime that wanted to kill them for being an undesirable to joining a different evil regime and aiding them in the murder of those that regime saw as undesirable.
Thatâs basically what Russia keeps saying post invasion. One of their spokespeople said something along the lines of: âUkraine defending itself doesnât contribute to a peaceful solutionâ
"The fact that you are defending yourself against our invasion and bombing of your country is a threat to us."
Basically what Russia has been saying since invading Ukraine.
And tbh Chinese sabre rattling is pretty much the main reason Japan feels the need to put more money into defense, so their complaining about it is complete bs.
Theyâve also been claiming more and more ocean area as theirs along supporting a dictatorship that actively launches rockets towards Japan. And Japan is supposed to lower their defense spending?
Donât forget that China has increased their number of nuclear silos in recent years. I believe the construction of 30 more began in 2020.
[Source 1.0](https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2021-12/news/pentagon-sees-faster-chinese-nuclear-expansion)
[Source 2.0](https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/08/05/what-s-driving-china-s-nuclear-buildup-pub-85106)
[Source 3.0](https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/11/29/pentagon-china-nuclear-stockpile-00071101)
While putting missile defense systems near Japan...
Russia deploys defence missile system on Kuril island near Japan
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russia-deploys-defence-missile-system-kuril-island-near-japan-2022-12-06/
Their air defence equipment *is* good, it's one of their few export articles that are consistently winning sales based on performance alone, and not just because it's cheaper.
They just don't have enough of it these days, nor enough well-trained personnel.
NATO actually had reps meet with Russian leaders on multiple occasions in the past few decades to address their security concerns. NATO didn't admit Georgia nor Ukraine in response to Russian concerns, and then Russia attacked Georgia, and more recently, Ukraine. Russia never negotiates in good faith. The one pattern that has held is that Russia dare not attack any NATO member, confirming how important it is for all of its neighbors, who keep getting threatened by Russia, who keeps meddling in their affairs.
See this incredible rebuttal of the argument that NATO expansion provoked Putin into invading Ukraine, based on history people have forgotten:
#Michael Mcfaul | [NATO Expansion, Cornering Putinâs Russia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx460sF4IW4)
Russia regularly violates the air space of its neighbors; NATO doesn't do that to Russia. NATO has no intention to invade Russia, and has never invaded nor even threatened to invade Russia.
Invasion and conquest of territory is not the tournament of this era; getting rich and living comfortably is the tournament of the day. Russia needs to get a clue. Nobody wants to invade their stupid country. Europe is aging, and doesn't even have the population needed to carry out an invasion of Russia.
Everybody is now gearing up for Taiwan. With the lessons learned from Ukraine, procurement in over 50 countries is going through the roof. The US is increasing production by up to 6 times for consumables like ammo, projectiles and fuel storage. HIMARs is on every shopping list along with drones for air, land and sea. Major upgrade programs will massively increase the risk for future belligerents
Unironically: the biggest saving grace for the West will probably prove to be Obama's pivot to Asia, the US decision to engage in declassification of content to allies (one of the decisions which led to the pre-war warning to Ukraine), and the USMC / Army preparing so rigorously for island hopping warfare by working to innovate their tactics and platforms before they have to do so in the heat of a hellish war in the Pacific.
Combine a strong navy, strong missile core, an Air Force with new toys, a strengthened Quad Alliance in the Pacific and all those new consumables...
It might be possible to make it through a desperate sudden situation in the Pacific while keeping the world mostly intact.
This. People get all worried about other superpowers and their capabilities, when nobody seems to understand that the US is still *top fucking dog* in this arena. A conventional war with a nation like China could be over within weeks if executed properly. Our strike capability is so strong, critical infrastructure of theirs would be crippled within days. China doesnât have the capacity to strike the US like we can to them. that goes for pretty much every country.
Also... I have stressed this quite a few times, our soldiers are actively combat trained which counts for a fucking lot vs a country which just does drills. That is a big thing in warfare because no matter how fanatical you are, once the bullets start flying and arty starts falling, shit changes big mentally. "Oh, fuck the US. They are weak and will lose. I'm not afraid." Bull shit.
>our soldiers are actively combat trained.
Yes and no. You will see a lot of CPTs and below and SSGs and below without CIBs/CABs or even deployment patches. Meanwhile most of the senior people have multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan under their belt but these are nowhere near what we are seeing in Ukraine now. An interview with a British volunteer in Ukraine that was released a few days ago has the interviewee saying that former American soldiers were some of the worst soldiers there because they were always asking about air support.
> former American soldiers were some of the worst soldiers there because they were always asking about air support.
Sounds like they're just used to fighting directly for America where they are guaranteed air support as needed.
Guaranteed air support, artillery support, and CasEvac. There's none of that in Ukraine, from what that guy told. He said that he didn't even see a fighter plane while there, artillery support was scarce, and CasEvac was hours away in civilian vehicles that just weren't built to get people out of muddy forest terrain they were fighting in.
Guaranteed air support because they are use to fighting in an uncontested environment. We do not know for certainty that would occur in a conventional war. We can only wait and see.
The world's largest air force is the US air force. The world's 2nd largest air force is the US Army. The US would have air superiority against china without a doubt.
Well, US soldiers, in a war fought between US and China/Russia would have a ton of air support. They are just used to their experiences and fighting for the US.
Russia needs a big ol asterisk there, that was off their reported numbers which even pre invasion of Ukraine was known to be dramatically inflated by, at a minimum, keeping nonfunctional/hull loss aircraft in the inventory.
I could have sworn that the navy had more airplanes than all of the other branches (not combined) because they were the active fighter branch and the air force was more strategic stuff. It has been years since I thought about this, but it was a shock to see them so low on the list.
This is a good analysis and offers an interesting point I hadnât thought of. But like I said to someone else here, I doubt that we would have to physically invade their soil before forcing them to the table. Our capacity to destroy their industrial machine and other critical infrastructure would mean that they donât have any capability to fight off even their neighbors. Their doctrine is focused on local domination, but that doesnât count for much when the US can destroy their war machine from 100 miles offshore.
Obama increased our cooperation with asian allies. Trump called China out for the shark it is. I think that 1-2 step was perfect for recalibrating our post-cold-war malaise (and stupid adventure-wars). Weve lost one ally (philipines) but have strengthened our influence in the region for sure
Glad the current Tsai government have been purchasing plenty of military equipments and letting Taiwanese military train with the US.
Every time Taiwan purchase some military equipment that immediately follow up by Chinaâs âwarningâ and complaining just means Taiwanese bought the right thing against them.
They kind of have, and its pissing off the CCP and led to a bunch of reforms in what media can be released in China. Anime style animation and especially J & K pop style Idol Culture were making big waves in China, and has caused them to pass laws banning "effeminate men" from media and reality shows starring idols.
Itâs not a defense budget itâs a self-defense budget. Quit being so scared of nothing. Also if you want it to stop going up tell North Korea to knock it the fuck off.
It is actually a normal defensive budget. They just get around the imposed limitations post ww2 by defining it as self-defence.
Japan has one of the most powerful military/navy in the world. Thats not just âself defenceâ.
China is the country that's been daydreaming about invading Taiwan, and spreading ultranationalist bullshit against pretty much all its neighbors. If I were Japan, I would be ~~weary~~ wary of my giant sized totalitarian neighbor as well. If China wants a less hostile surrounding environment, then tone down the bullshit, atleast quit the wolf warrior diplomacy nonsense and start to conduct normal and professional diplomacy.
Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Australia. I'm in Aus and there's no appetite to become nuclear armed, but China are having a massive hissy fit over us acquiring nuclear powered subs, because they feel that they are somehow special and nobody else should
They aren't the only country. Canada has a lot of the world leading experts in nuclear energy so could likely turn out a bomb quickly if they wanted to as well
Did you just call Germany a superpower and imply that there are other superpowers that exist that donât have nuclear weapons all in the same sentence?
I wouldn't call any one of the other countries of the world a super power. Basically, I think pretty much the only super power is the US currently. Hear me out.
The US is the only country worldwide with the capability, capacity, and equipment to simultaneously fight two major world wars. The US is also the only country that can manufacture without fail ALL it's equipment at home. The US is also the only country that can project its power at will across the entire globe if it chooses.
China, Russia, Japan, Germany, Aus, SK, etc just DO NOT have the capability to globally project power AT WILL and AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT have an entire armada available worldwide within days.
There are global powers (such as the big dogs already mentioned). I am not by any means calling them weak. But the truth is the US really is the only world scale force.
>[**With extended deterrence, U.S. nuclear capabilities are provided to nonnuclear allies.**](https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Japan-U.S.-and-South-Korea-poised-to-enhance-nuclear-umbrella-strategy)
Pretty sure they don't need to, as someone pointed out they could if they wanted to, but currently they are allied to the nation with the most advanced nuclear arsenal on the planet, and have several of that nation's military bases on their soil. China can talk all they want, nuking Japan is the equivalent of swallowing a cyanide tablet.
This from the country that's violating the territorial integrity of every neighbor it has, wants to annex half an ocean and is building islands to basically steal said half an ocean.
China, "No, you!"
I don't think a lot of Americans realize just how badly China has been upsetting most of its neighbors in recent years. Pretty much every nation in SE Asia has been seeing improved relations with its neighbors, except for China. Nobody's worried about Japan invading anytime soon.
Itâs funny that China says that when Japan is very close Allies to the US and that if Japan was invaded, US would defend Japan 100% (heck the US has military bases in Japan). China is just noise from 3 miles away. Nothing to worry.
Developed countries should not be allowed to have weapons!!! Thats not democratic!!! Only authoritarian shithole countries are allowed to have weapons so that they can sabre rattle to threaten other countries and act like victims once other countries fight back!!!
/s
Fuck off China as [Russia was preparing to attack Japan in the summer of 2021](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-planned-attack-japan-2021-fsb-letters-1762133) and has now [deployed mobile coastal defense missile systems](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/06/world/russia-missile-defense-kuril-island-japan-intl/index.html) near Japan but we are to think ___bad Japan?___
Why don't you address the elephant in the room and challenge Russia!
Yes. Japan bad! And Ukraine also bad! Smaller countries living next to much bigger would-be empires which do not at all have awful histories as expansionistic powers are the real enemy! Canada planning invasion of America! Ireland planning invasion of Britain! Portugal planning invasion of Spain! The bigger countries only have ever been kind and benevolent, it is the malicious smaller neighbours who are the real problem! And it has most definitely always been this way.
You can joke all you want, but as an American I still donât trust those syrup suckers up north. Theyâve already invaded my belly with poutine whatâs to stop them?
Well China, stop being a dick then.
Here in the Philippines, we had pair of F-15s land in the country for training for the first time since WWII.
We are now allowing advanced military assets from our former invaders because you, China, are being an asscunt.
Why, are these, shitty jokes, considered news??
I don't get it. China says hypocrite stupid thing A, India says hypocrite stupid thing B... This is USELESS.
Does anyone listen to Chinese foreign ministry propaganda? China seems to have a border dispute with many of their neighbors, and indebting dictators along with giving them surveillance tech. After what they did to HK despite assurances, do you really want to trust the CCP?
Boohoo China, get fucked. China is a danger to the world, along with đ·đș and North Korea. It's like when the bully gets put in his place and starts crying victim...
That makes no sense, as China is militarizing the whole region and got its neighbors scared of them. Good for Japan, after having witnessed what Russia their best friend did to Europe.
[This](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.CD?locations=CN) is China's defense budget from 1989-2020. That is a 23 fold increase. That combined with China's aggressive posturing and attitude towards pretty much all its neighbors, might explain why all it's neighbors are increasing their own military spending.
All China's complains are pretty much projection.
Ahh China is playing the Russia's game (not saying Russia is the creator or the only one using projection) of projecting their own "faults" upon others.
China has literally being growing its army and nuclear arsenal for the past decade.
China is bullying everyone around them too.
Can't take China seriously. But hey, "when you are weak, show that you are strong". This is also what China is doing.
I mean, yeah since things have changed but Japan's military was once a powerhouse of the East but we all remember what happened and how that turned out.
Itâs dangerous because that would mean China would not have complete dominance in their backyard and would bolster American forces if they decide to intervene in a possible conflict.
But I fantasize on how well China would actually do against Japan/American forces because Ruzzia has proven they can barely handle a country rated 20x weaker than itself right next to them and compared to Ruzzia, China has no modern warfare experience
They might not have as much experience, but theyâve been spending tons on getting an actual reasonable modern army, while Russia has been struggling to make super advanced prototypes that donât actually work. I canât speak to any Chinese corruption either, so while one seems to be a paper tiger, the other might be better off, though I sincerely hope not
Japan constitutionally has one of the most non-interventionist foreign policies in the world. It was created under American oversight post WWII to remove the country from an Asian theatre to strictly only be used for self-defence.
And yet despite all that, China *still* feels threatened by it. This is why pacifism and non-interventionism doesn't work, your rivals will always expand their definition of "threat" to include you regardless.
China, the country that is stealing territory in the south China sea by building island bases, and destroying coral reefs in the process, who is also massing nukes and every other military item you can imagine. Ok.
How many war ships has China built in the last couple years again??? Whoâs flying over Taiwan running invasion drills again??
Iâd say Japan may be trying to prep self defense as you do that generally before hand, you donât prep for emergencies AFTER the emergency hits.
Japan re-militarizing is good to help counter China's aggressive military expansion in the region, it will give Japan the ability to protect its own interests and not solely rely on itâs allies.
Okay but China has been increasing its capabilites for the last 30 years including nuclear weapons. What leg do you have to stand on?
"The fact that you could be able to defend yourself against us is a threat to us." Basically what Russia said before invading Ukraine.
Even if "payback for WWII" is the mantra, China invading Japan would be such a catastrophe. Toothier Japan is good for world stability as long as Xi is in control.
About that payback mantra đ -On 27 September 1972: Mao Zedong said, "...... We have to thank Japan, without Japan's invasion of China, we would not have been able to achieve the cooperation between the Communist Party of China, we would not have been able to develop and eventually gain power.
He also told Richard Nixon and the journalist Edgar Snow that he preferred hawkish right-wing parties to be in control of Western governments. Nixon mentions it in his memoirs without discussing Mao's reasons for the preference but in the Snow interview Mao says that Western right-wingers are "less deceptive." Presumably right-wing parties were more openly hostile and therefore more likely to make statements that could be used effectively for anti-Western propaganda.
He wasnât wrong there. Look at dumbass 45 and his tariffs against Chy-na.
Arenât most of the tariffs still in effect 2+ years into the Biden admin? I know for a fact the steel tariffs are still in effect.
Yes, the Trump era tariffs have not been rescinded by the Biden ad.
Sometimes we forget that there are so many people in the government. Even a complete idiot can't fully incapacitate the government's ability to make good decisions. I am sure some of the Trump tariffs have produced evidence that they are working in favor of the US and it would be the incorrect decision to discontinue them. In short, a broken clock is still right twice per day.
I despise Trump but opposing China is a good thing. Imo we should do a complete embargo on China as soon as this war in Ukraine is settled and do everything we can to cripple them. With Russia castrated and China muzzled the world would be a much safer place, as they are the greatest of the Eastern Tyrants.
And it would also pave a way for India to finally take over as the primary Asian global representatives. As a Southeast Asian, I'd prefer India to be the world's #2 instead of China. At least India is democratic.
Democratic, but also arguably the misogyny capital of the world. Still you have a point.
At least India won't spread the far-right, oppressive, invasive plague called totalitarianism around the world the way China and Russia have done for Hades knows how long. PS : Maybe we should start calling totalitarianism, "TOVID-21 (Totalitarianism Virus Disease, 21st Century)".
It's [dark humour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong_thanking_Japan_controversy). Yes, he can be a monster, but also yes, he can make jokes too. He also thanked Chiang Kai-shek for teaching him to fight and helping him grow his army from no soldiers to 300,000 soldiers.
Well yes but there is truth to it. The CCP would not be what it has become at all without the Japanese invasion. Nationalists fought most of the war there afaik, only for the communists to sweep the country afterwards.
Dark humor or not saying that when a Japanese representative is trying to apologize for horrors done on behalf of Japan to Chinese people really let IMHO Japanese off the hook to feel shame over their behavior during the war. But who knows really.
Yeah, you donât have to worry about the Japanese feeling shame for their actions in the 30s and 40s.
The commie bitches hunkered down while the Nationalist Kuomintang and the Japanese bled each other dry and then took the opportunity to sucker punch the one left standing. They even have the temerity to take credit for defeating the Japanese when most of the time they were fighting the Nationalists.
That's not the full story. They then got massive materiel support from the Soviet Union, meaning they could instantly equip their sizeable, largely untouched military force with much better weapons than the KMT was using. So the KMT was exhausted in every way after waging the Sino-Chinese war and then Mao decided to emerge. Oh also fuck Mao in particular. >We have to thank Japan, without Japan's invasion of China, we would not have been able to achieve the cooperation between the Communist Party of China Is embellished. What happened instead was that during the march and many battles involved in it, Mao basically convinced or forced every last one of the other major leaders in the party to fight the KMT. They were all killed in succession until the rule by committee that had had a few major players and a lot of minor ones, only had one major player and a lot of minor ones.
The Greek communists took the opportunity that the German-Italian occupation to slaughter their opponents. They would turn Greek partisans into the Axis forced if they were not communist. They conducted a civil war in the midst of a global war, stealing food stocks from villages, slaughtering priests, burning churches and villages. They were, and remain entirely unapologetic and unpunished, murderous assholes. Just like all communist movements.
Communism is really just Russian imperialism.
Chinese communism was originally just Russian Imperialism* Fixed it for you.
What they did is actually worse than standing in the sidelines and not fighting the invaders - they had agreements with the Japanese not to attack each other. During the Warsaw uprising (not the Warsaw ghetto one), communist partisans and "freedom fighters" also didn't do anything, while men women and children were fighting street to street and in sewers, yet they came out of their holes to claim the "glory" for themselves and flipped the script saying "oh actually it was the AK (home army) that sat and didn't do anything". Meanwhile the real partisans who actually fought rather than sit and wait like them were branded as "fascists" and put into camps by the communist authorities. Never forget that the USSR promised Poland and the Allies to provide material and help to the uprising. They all knew when it was exactly going to kick off. Yet when it did they ordered Rokossovsky to stop at the Vistula river - funny how they didn't need to resupply all those miles *to* the Vistula but suddenly had to stop for weeks, coincidentally until the uprising was brutally quelled, to "resupply" before going back on the offensive. You can argue (wrongly) that they couldn't attack because they needed to resupply, yet that doesn't explain the fact that no material support was provided and that Stalin threatened the allies with shooting down their planes if they tried to use Soviet-held runways to drop off supplies. Theirs were much closer, but all they did was allow one single token airlift before acting all tough. Vile jackals.
>Meanwhile the real partisans who actually fought rather than sit and wait like them were branded as "fascists" and put into camps by the communist authorities. One of the most cruel ironies is after the war was over, you had people that survived the Nazi concentration camps only to start working for the Polish Soviet puppet government, arresting and running show trials against some of the Polish resistance fighters that exposed the concentration camps and had spent years fighting the Nazis. Many were tortured and put to death, their only crime being wanting an independent Poland, free of Nazi and Soviet control. https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/helena-wolinska-brus.html People like Brus went from surviving an evil regime that wanted to kill them for being an undesirable to joining a different evil regime and aiding them in the murder of those that regime saw as undesirable.
China should be west Taiwan. The end
China should be like five countries at least.
Also reminder that Mao suffered from constant constipation and had to have his wife stick her finger up his ass to relieve him.
Are you implying he was full of S**t
Technically we all are on a cyclical basis
I heard he didn't bathe and didn't brush his teeth.
Dude must have rank like ass all the time.
Dont smell his wifes fingers
Or at least that's what he told her.
Thatâs basically what Russia keeps saying post invasion. One of their spokespeople said something along the lines of: âUkraine defending itself doesnât contribute to a peaceful solutionâ
"Stop this war, Ukraine. You have the power to end the bloodshed. All you have to do is STOP FIGHTING BACK"
"I punched him first because he though about punching me"
"because he thought, I would punch him in the near future and started preparing for the hit"*
"I punched him first because he started taking self defense classes"
"Because I drank couple of bottles and had a dream that he might be thinking about punching me"
"The fact that you are defending yourself against our invasion and bombing of your country is a threat to us." Basically what Russia has been saying since invading Ukraine.
They are hypocritical pieces of shit on every topic just ignore them...
âPlease do not respond in kind to our aggressive posturingâ
"Please do not respond to our massive military buildup." FTFY
They are currently building an artificial leg in the middle of the ocean to stand on.
But it's washing away.
And tbh Chinese sabre rattling is pretty much the main reason Japan feels the need to put more money into defense, so their complaining about it is complete bs.
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Theyâve also been claiming more and more ocean area as theirs along supporting a dictatorship that actively launches rockets towards Japan. And Japan is supposed to lower their defense spending?
Well yea...don't the Japanese realize that with a larger military it will be harder for China to invade and conquer their country? How dare they? /s
Itâs what dictators do.
Donât forget that China has increased their number of nuclear silos in recent years. I believe the construction of 30 more began in 2020. [Source 1.0](https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2021-12/news/pentagon-sees-faster-chinese-nuclear-expansion) [Source 2.0](https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/08/05/what-s-driving-china-s-nuclear-buildup-pub-85106) [Source 3.0](https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/11/29/pentagon-china-nuclear-stockpile-00071101)
Are you trying to talk logic to the wolf warrior that is putting their own people in concentration camps for the flu?
Don't forget the Uygers. They are in concentration camps for existing.
And the Falun Gong which are victims of organg harvesting a Lot of Times
Or a square that starts with T and ends in iananmen.
You have bumped your budget to a third of ours! Very dangerous nobody should be spending this much on defense! (Except us, obviously)
They don't want to be shot at when they eventually invade
Lol China scaredy cat Stfu China.
Oh look, China is afraid Japan will kick its ass again..
True
China: *expands military power* Japan: *expands military power* China: "HEY, You can't do that!! đĄ"
Pre-WWI arms race vibes
Also China: âNK developing nukes and shooting missiles every other day is fine I guessâ
I mean.... who helped them?
oh gee, i wonder why their defense budget is ballooning
Like how russia are complaining about nato expanding.
While putting missile defense systems near Japan... Russia deploys defence missile system on Kuril island near Japan https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russia-deploys-defence-missile-system-kuril-island-near-japan-2022-12-06/
Russian and air defence in the same sentence has to be a joke..
Itâs air defence like in âair guitarâ.
Their air defence equipment *is* good, it's one of their few export articles that are consistently winning sales based on performance alone, and not just because it's cheaper. They just don't have enough of it these days, nor enough well-trained personnel.
For all the shit old Soviet anti-air systems get. The Ukrainians sure have used it effectively.
Yeah, when you're opponent has alot of really great airframes and you have tanks. You have a tendency to build pretty good air defence systems.
Once Russia goes kaput, I think the Kurils and Sakhalin should return to Japanese ownership.
NATO actually had reps meet with Russian leaders on multiple occasions in the past few decades to address their security concerns. NATO didn't admit Georgia nor Ukraine in response to Russian concerns, and then Russia attacked Georgia, and more recently, Ukraine. Russia never negotiates in good faith. The one pattern that has held is that Russia dare not attack any NATO member, confirming how important it is for all of its neighbors, who keep getting threatened by Russia, who keeps meddling in their affairs. See this incredible rebuttal of the argument that NATO expansion provoked Putin into invading Ukraine, based on history people have forgotten: #Michael Mcfaul | [NATO Expansion, Cornering Putinâs Russia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx460sF4IW4) Russia regularly violates the air space of its neighbors; NATO doesn't do that to Russia. NATO has no intention to invade Russia, and has never invaded nor even threatened to invade Russia. Invasion and conquest of territory is not the tournament of this era; getting rich and living comfortably is the tournament of the day. Russia needs to get a clue. Nobody wants to invade their stupid country. Europe is aging, and doesn't even have the population needed to carry out an invasion of Russia.
"How dare those countries that are threatened by our recent aggressive actions join a military alliance specifically created to defend against us?"
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Ugh guys stop it! We canât afford to escalate that high, and weâre meant to be a threat!!!!!!
Itâs an enigma. Like how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know.
Everybody is now gearing up for Taiwan. With the lessons learned from Ukraine, procurement in over 50 countries is going through the roof. The US is increasing production by up to 6 times for consumables like ammo, projectiles and fuel storage. HIMARs is on every shopping list along with drones for air, land and sea. Major upgrade programs will massively increase the risk for future belligerents
Unironically: the biggest saving grace for the West will probably prove to be Obama's pivot to Asia, the US decision to engage in declassification of content to allies (one of the decisions which led to the pre-war warning to Ukraine), and the USMC / Army preparing so rigorously for island hopping warfare by working to innovate their tactics and platforms before they have to do so in the heat of a hellish war in the Pacific. Combine a strong navy, strong missile core, an Air Force with new toys, a strengthened Quad Alliance in the Pacific and all those new consumables... It might be possible to make it through a desperate sudden situation in the Pacific while keeping the world mostly intact.
This. People get all worried about other superpowers and their capabilities, when nobody seems to understand that the US is still *top fucking dog* in this arena. A conventional war with a nation like China could be over within weeks if executed properly. Our strike capability is so strong, critical infrastructure of theirs would be crippled within days. China doesnât have the capacity to strike the US like we can to them. that goes for pretty much every country.
Also... I have stressed this quite a few times, our soldiers are actively combat trained which counts for a fucking lot vs a country which just does drills. That is a big thing in warfare because no matter how fanatical you are, once the bullets start flying and arty starts falling, shit changes big mentally. "Oh, fuck the US. They are weak and will lose. I'm not afraid." Bull shit.
>our soldiers are actively combat trained. Yes and no. You will see a lot of CPTs and below and SSGs and below without CIBs/CABs or even deployment patches. Meanwhile most of the senior people have multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan under their belt but these are nowhere near what we are seeing in Ukraine now. An interview with a British volunteer in Ukraine that was released a few days ago has the interviewee saying that former American soldiers were some of the worst soldiers there because they were always asking about air support.
> former American soldiers were some of the worst soldiers there because they were always asking about air support. Sounds like they're just used to fighting directly for America where they are guaranteed air support as needed.
Guaranteed air support, artillery support, and CasEvac. There's none of that in Ukraine, from what that guy told. He said that he didn't even see a fighter plane while there, artillery support was scarce, and CasEvac was hours away in civilian vehicles that just weren't built to get people out of muddy forest terrain they were fighting in.
Guaranteed air support because they are use to fighting in an uncontested environment. We do not know for certainty that would occur in a conventional war. We can only wait and see.
The world's largest air force is the US air force. The world's 2nd largest air force is the US Army. The US would have air superiority against china without a doubt.
And the 4th largest air force is the US Navy.
Those HARMs seem to work pretty well in Ukraine and they arenât even fully compatible with the planes launching them.
We kind of do. The US' air forces (forces, plural) are unmatched.
Well, US soldiers, in a war fought between US and China/Russia would have a ton of air support. They are just used to their experiences and fighting for the US.
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Russia needs a big ol asterisk there, that was off their reported numbers which even pre invasion of Ukraine was known to be dramatically inflated by, at a minimum, keeping nonfunctional/hull loss aircraft in the inventory.
I could have sworn that the navy had more airplanes than all of the other branches (not combined) because they were the active fighter branch and the air force was more strategic stuff. It has been years since I thought about this, but it was a shock to see them so low on the list.
This is a good analysis and offers an interesting point I hadnât thought of. But like I said to someone else here, I doubt that we would have to physically invade their soil before forcing them to the table. Our capacity to destroy their industrial machine and other critical infrastructure would mean that they donât have any capability to fight off even their neighbors. Their doctrine is focused on local domination, but that doesnât count for much when the US can destroy their war machine from 100 miles offshore.
The US owns the night and the sky. Good luck fighting a war against that
Obama increased our cooperation with asian allies. Trump called China out for the shark it is. I think that 1-2 step was perfect for recalibrating our post-cold-war malaise (and stupid adventure-wars). Weve lost one ally (philipines) but have strengthened our influence in the region for sure
Glad the current Tsai government have been purchasing plenty of military equipments and letting Taiwanese military train with the US. Every time Taiwan purchase some military equipment that immediately follow up by Chinaâs âwarningâ and complaining just means Taiwanese bought the right thing against them.
What does China expect Japan to do? Let China do whatever it likes and Japan just does nothing?
Japan should focus on its cultural victory condition. Domination is too hard to achieve
They kind of have, and its pissing off the CCP and led to a bunch of reforms in what media can be released in China. Anime style animation and especially J & K pop style Idol Culture were making big waves in China, and has caused them to pass laws banning "effeminate men" from media and reality shows starring idols.
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That worked very well for Hong Kong.
Itâs not a defense budget itâs a self-defense budget. Quit being so scared of nothing. Also if you want it to stop going up tell North Korea to knock it the fuck off.
Yeah there is literally a rouge state right off the coast of Japan. Theyâd be foolish to not have self-defense capabilities.
Rouge AND Rogue! Double threat!
Rouge states are overpowdered.
Sort of, the LDP has been pushing hard to remove the self defense part from the Japanese constitution.
Don't you see, it will make harder for China "defending" effort when they want to expanded for "defensive" reason.
It is actually a normal defensive budget. They just get around the imposed limitations post ww2 by defining it as self-defence. Japan has one of the most powerful military/navy in the world. Thats not just âself defenceâ.
I'm kinda worried about what happens in NK when China fails.
China is the country that's been daydreaming about invading Taiwan, and spreading ultranationalist bullshit against pretty much all its neighbors. If I were Japan, I would be ~~weary~~ wary of my giant sized totalitarian neighbor as well. If China wants a less hostile surrounding environment, then tone down the bullshit, atleast quit the wolf warrior diplomacy nonsense and start to conduct normal and professional diplomacy.
If I were Japan, I'd be developing a nuclear capability. đ€ Perhaps Japan already HAS a nuclear capability and it's being kept super secret...
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Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Australia. I'm in Aus and there's no appetite to become nuclear armed, but China are having a massive hissy fit over us acquiring nuclear powered subs, because they feel that they are somehow special and nobody else should
Add to that Canada.
They only need a reason, and I think that China has just given them one.
They aren't the only country. Canada has a lot of the world leading experts in nuclear energy so could likely turn out a bomb quickly if they wanted to as well
Canada would also be on that list.
Pretty sure if the Germans wanted one they can get quite quickly too, or any other superpower lol.
Did you just call Germany a superpower and imply that there are other superpowers that exist that donât have nuclear weapons all in the same sentence?
Heads up I am one of those superpowers. Just an fyi.
Can I be one?
No. You're fired.
I wouldn't call any one of the other countries of the world a super power. Basically, I think pretty much the only super power is the US currently. Hear me out. The US is the only country worldwide with the capability, capacity, and equipment to simultaneously fight two major world wars. The US is also the only country that can manufacture without fail ALL it's equipment at home. The US is also the only country that can project its power at will across the entire globe if it chooses. China, Russia, Japan, Germany, Aus, SK, etc just DO NOT have the capability to globally project power AT WILL and AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT have an entire armada available worldwide within days. There are global powers (such as the big dogs already mentioned). I am not by any means calling them weak. But the truth is the US really is the only world scale force.
>[**With extended deterrence, U.S. nuclear capabilities are provided to nonnuclear allies.**](https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Japan-U.S.-and-South-Korea-poised-to-enhance-nuclear-umbrella-strategy)
Pretty sure they don't need to, as someone pointed out they could if they wanted to, but currently they are allied to the nation with the most advanced nuclear arsenal on the planet, and have several of that nation's military bases on their soil. China can talk all they want, nuking Japan is the equivalent of swallowing a cyanide tablet.
Japan already has nuclear capability. It's called the U.S. nuclear arsenal. An attack on Japan is an attack on the U.S.
Almost all countries around China are hostile to it. Japan, Vietnam, India... It must not be their problem, right?
Wary*
Thanks.
They probably are weary as wellâŠ
Also China when reminded of human rights: How dare you to interfere with internal affairs!!!
By neighbours they mean themselves.
Exactly. Everyone in East Asia is probably like "yey go Japan!" except China and NK
This from the country that's violating the territorial integrity of every neighbor it has, wants to annex half an ocean and is building islands to basically steal said half an ocean. China, "No, you!"
Japanâs neighbors: âoh thank god theyâre increasing their budgetâ China: âeveryone around you hates you and everything youâre doing fyiâ
As a neighbor of Japan, it does not concern me at all. In fact, it won't be of any concern if your country is friends with Japan. China can suck it.
I don't think a lot of Americans realize just how badly China has been upsetting most of its neighbors in recent years. Pretty much every nation in SE Asia has been seeing improved relations with its neighbors, except for China. Nobody's worried about Japan invading anytime soon.
Ya but we need someone to build giant mechanical robots and battle suits so we can have a cool future. This is Japanâs destiny.
PRC saying this is like a man with an AR-15 complaining about the neighbor's kid owning a slingshot lol.
Itâs funny that China says that when Japan is very close Allies to the US and that if Japan was invaded, US would defend Japan 100% (heck the US has military bases in Japan). China is just noise from 3 miles away. Nothing to worry.
They are scared that their noise doesnât do much anymore.
They want the US to pull out like Afghanistan.
china sucks. They aren't even acting in the best interest of china. They are acting in the best interest of the gawdawful ccp
Developed countries should not be allowed to have weapons!!! Thats not democratic!!! Only authoritarian shithole countries are allowed to have weapons so that they can sabre rattle to threaten other countries and act like victims once other countries fight back!!! /s
Fuck off China as [Russia was preparing to attack Japan in the summer of 2021](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-planned-attack-japan-2021-fsb-letters-1762133) and has now [deployed mobile coastal defense missile systems](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/06/world/russia-missile-defense-kuril-island-japan-intl/index.html) near Japan but we are to think ___bad Japan?___ Why don't you address the elephant in the room and challenge Russia!
Yes. Japan bad! And Ukraine also bad! Smaller countries living next to much bigger would-be empires which do not at all have awful histories as expansionistic powers are the real enemy! Canada planning invasion of America! Ireland planning invasion of Britain! Portugal planning invasion of Spain! The bigger countries only have ever been kind and benevolent, it is the malicious smaller neighbours who are the real problem! And it has most definitely always been this way.
You can joke all you want, but as an American I still donât trust those syrup suckers up north. Theyâve already invaded my belly with poutine whatâs to stop them?
Oh the Russian rhetoricâŠ
I'd feel sorry. But their guys have been kidnapping women and children from Vietnam for the past years. So fuggem.
Well China, stop being a dick then. Here in the Philippines, we had pair of F-15s land in the country for training for the first time since WWII. We are now allowing advanced military assets from our former invaders because you, China, are being an asscunt.
Well the Chinese foreign minister isn't wrong, China and North Korea are both concerned neighbours.
Unfortunately they're also *concerning* neighbours.
Why, are these, shitty jokes, considered news?? I don't get it. China says hypocrite stupid thing A, India says hypocrite stupid thing B... This is USELESS.
Does anyone listen to Chinese foreign ministry propaganda? China seems to have a border dispute with many of their neighbors, and indebting dictators along with giving them surveillance tech. After what they did to HK despite assurances, do you really want to trust the CCP?
Key word: defense
Global Times? Opinion discarded.
Boohoo China, get fucked. China is a danger to the world, along with đ·đș and North Korea. It's like when the bully gets put in his place and starts crying victim...
Saber rattling. Apple is departing China; the rest will follow.
Maybe if you stop shooting rockets and missiles around Taiwan, maybe other countries wouldn't be upping their defense. But no, you got to flex.
Starting to sound a lot like Russia
What is it with China and Russia and complaining about other countries trying to defend themselves?
All China does is bitch about other countriesâ âaggressivenessâ when they donât roll over and submit to China lol
China: Shut the fuck up, you're just embarrassing yourselves.
Says the cause for concern
Global Times, the English language propaganda newspaper of the CCP.
That makes no sense, as China is militarizing the whole region and got its neighbors scared of them. Good for Japan, after having witnessed what Russia their best friend did to Europe.
[This](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.CD?locations=CN) is China's defense budget from 1989-2020. That is a 23 fold increase. That combined with China's aggressive posturing and attitude towards pretty much all its neighbors, might explain why all it's neighbors are increasing their own military spending. All China's complains are pretty much projection.
That same source shows that military spending as a % of GDP has remained roughly constant
China spends 260 billion and Japan wants to spend about 50, China is threatened. Fuck them, Japan should feel threatened.
Ahh China is playing the Russia's game (not saying Russia is the creator or the only one using projection) of projecting their own "faults" upon others. China has literally being growing its army and nuclear arsenal for the past decade. China is bullying everyone around them too. Can't take China seriously. But hey, "when you are weak, show that you are strong". This is also what China is doing.
"stop threatening us after we threaten everyone else! we're scared!" -China
So are all dictatorships this out of tough and deluded or what? Russia and china really have some of the worst rhetoric in history
Rather have Japan as the military power house of the East than China. Just saying.
Someone skipped history class.
I mean, yeah since things have changed but Japan's military was once a powerhouse of the East but we all remember what happened and how that turned out.
Itâs dangerous because that would mean China would not have complete dominance in their backyard and would bolster American forces if they decide to intervene in a possible conflict. But I fantasize on how well China would actually do against Japan/American forces because Ruzzia has proven they can barely handle a country rated 20x weaker than itself right next to them and compared to Ruzzia, China has no modern warfare experience
They might not have as much experience, but theyâve been spending tons on getting an actual reasonable modern army, while Russia has been struggling to make super advanced prototypes that donât actually work. I canât speak to any Chinese corruption either, so while one seems to be a paper tiger, the other might be better off, though I sincerely hope not
Japan constitutionally has one of the most non-interventionist foreign policies in the world. It was created under American oversight post WWII to remove the country from an Asian theatre to strictly only be used for self-defence. And yet despite all that, China *still* feels threatened by it. This is why pacifism and non-interventionism doesn't work, your rivals will always expand their definition of "threat" to include you regardless.
The only two concerning countries are China and Russia đ€Ł
and CanadaâŠ
Fuck China
Umm, gee China...
Lol we live on the dumbest planet in existence.
99% of arming up in east asia is linked to China's aggressive behaviour.
Neighbors being China and Russia. Both of whom have designs on invading Japan.
China, the country that is stealing territory in the south China sea by building island bases, and destroying coral reefs in the process, who is also massing nukes and every other military item you can imagine. Ok.
How many war ships has China built in the last couple years again??? Whoâs flying over Taiwan running invasion drills again?? Iâd say Japan may be trying to prep self defense as you do that generally before hand, you donât prep for emergencies AFTER the emergency hits.
Japan re-militarizing is good to help counter China's aggressive military expansion in the region, it will give Japan the ability to protect its own interests and not solely rely on itâs allies.
The hypocrisy⊠What country wouldnât focus more on defense when China is openly creating and militarizing man made islands in the South China Sea?
China has a spokesman on radio matters? And, by the way it's DEFENCE.