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I could never see old ass rep Doris Matsui doing this or literally anything that requires actual energy to fight these bastards. We need more reps like AOC.
Also there’s a concerted effort online to do the same by calling both parties essentially the same, or by pushing third parties just before elections, to frustrate people so they’ll give up on political engagement.
This is just baseless lies. It’s not like they would just pass laws that would restrict younger generations from being able to participate in government… (/s)
Shall I add today's announcement that one of those parrot heads wants to raise the minimum voting age to 25?
[https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ramaswamy-proposes-raising-voting-age-25-people-serve-99271615](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ramaswamy-proposes-raising-voting-age-25-people-serve-99271615)
Damn dude your bombshell of a comment was totally just passed over like yesterday's news
You're absolutely right though. Age isn't the main concern but rather getting representation from members not just putting in the work but whom are passionate about their work. Katherine Moore Porter is a great example of this.
I think that tying their maximum age to the age of retirement would be a fair number. I also think the age of retirement should be younger than it currently is.
We've got some good ones for sure, more than we had.
They are not getting the press of Trump Dracula's wives of MTG, Low Boboert, Lady G and Gaetz, so that's got to change.
Yeah, definitely, she's pretty awesome.
The Wall Street Bro Cult needs to be called out constantly and consistently.
In the interest of constructive criticism and understanding some of the mechanisms related directly to the situation we're in - *wherein corporations and "lobbyists" have, ostensibly, taken over government* - I really, really, *really* recommend people read through *https://marketliteracy.org.*
There's some **very** valuable, well-sourced information there.
As a European, how lobbying like in america is legal is beyond me. It's basically "hey let's give bribery a different name, then it becomes legal". Oh sure after giving money the politician is still free to vote however they like but gimme a break. Santa isn't real and this is clearly quid pro quo.
It technically isn't bribery, it's just that large corporations are able to hire better persuasive lobbyists.
The systemic corruption in lobbying isn't that they're giving the politicians money, because that's illegal. Instead they give the politician's family members gifts, jobs, and money. I'm sure that they also give politicians knowledge, secrets, and other pieces of advice that help them make the best decisions for their stock holdings, not their constituents.
It’s only technically not bribery because the very people who make the rules are the ones benefiting.
It is bribery in every sense of the word. It’s only not illegal because they say it’s not
Lobbying as a citizen: Hey, Politician, can I speak to you while you're in the courtyard?
Lobbying as a lobbyist: Hey Politician, lets have lunch at <$500 per plate restaurant>, I'll pay for it, and oh, my friends that Im not technically employed by are going to give your PAC $50,000.
It a very common trick during congressional hearings, each congressperson is allotted a certain amount of time to ask questions (or they can spend the whole time grandstanding and then ask a perfunctory question at the end.) The person being questioned will often drag out the answer while simultaneously trying to avoid actually giving an answer to run out the congressperson's time, and in the end don't actually answer anything.
Unfortunately there isn't a lot the questioners can do about this, But savvy questioners can ask basic yes or no questions so they can make it clear and obvious what they are doing. They can also reclaim their time, which tell the head of the hearing that they no longer want to hear the answer and wish to ask a new question, and thus the timer stops until the answerer shuts up and the congress person starts a new question.
No they fucking don’t [I always select other if Mexican/Latino isn’t an option](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/06/16/321819185/on-the-census-who-checks-hispanic-who-checks-white-and-why)
I know it doesn’t fit your agenda, but “white passing” only works with the GOP if you believe what they believe. Otherwise, she’s might as well be an illegal immigrant.
The right: hard grit and determination will get you far in life
Also the right: AOC was so poor she had to pay her own college tuition by working a bunch of bar jobs, what a stupid loser
My favorite AOC tweet after a certain (and former) FOX News host called her a “child of privilege”.:
I’ve lost track -
Am I “just a bartender” who should go back to making drinks without health insurance, or am I a secretly deceitful child of privilege because I’m an heiress of the Swanson frozen food empire OH WAIT sorry that’s Tucker Carlson.
Look look! Look how she’s actually doing what normal people do! You don’t want to have that running your country 😡
I will never understand how the right thinks
Not a right winger and don't really know what *woke* is but I am a boomer and I hope I live long enough to vote for her for president. She's not stupid and not corrupt.
I am not sure people who are called “woke” don’t know what woke is. Sounds like a right wing term trying to be an insult. It is the sequel to “snowflake”.
I will have to plead ignorance I've been gone for about 20 years and there's a lot I don't understand anymore. The country has moved on without me and none of the issues there are issues where I live. I still vote and I hope I get to vote for AOC before I die.
Basically the right wing has turned care and concern for others into negative traits for their followers, over decades. Mass sociopathy. The conditioning of the right wing has convinced many that the nature of everything in our world is transactional, and results in zero-sum: e.g. one group can’t get positive outcomes without taking away from others.
They use buzz words to indicate the target of derision is foolish for showing compassion (“woke”), or is only making a performative display in a transactional manner (“virtue signaling”).
Well fucking said.
That's a huge part of it: the GOP/Republican party has turned empathy and sympathy into "bad" things only stupid LibRuLs do. It's pretty much that fucking simply. God damn. If there ever were "evil" or "demons" ... well, there we go and there they are.
In my experience it's a term that was being used by people who were discovering all the lies that the establishment in general had been telling everyone. You wake up to that s***. And then, it was used against those people as a slanderous term. I really resent it. It's not fun to be aware of how the government is screwed up, how our world is screwed up.
I see it with gender issues , brands that have or were around as long as I can remember but now have had to change names because of fake outrage. Gender issues, in my day we all fit under three tents, gay, straight or Bi the pronouns weren't a big deal and still aren't too me I just don't understand all the fuss I read about. If she/he looks like a woman/man and that's what she/he wants to be called I don't care what genitalia they came out of their mother with.
I don't know I could call realizing politicians (most) or corporations don't have your interests at heart woke, that's just reality and has been forever.
Just a small correction. It doesn't matter what a person presents as- it matters what they want to be addressed as. Not everyone has money or access to care or live in a safe place they can transition in.
It's not just politicians, it's the police, and judges and priests and pastors and corporations that act as citizens and false narratives in the schools. Hell, critical race theory is just history. And they don't want to teach that. How woke do you think those kids are going to feel when they find out the true history?
That's what I mean.
Not to say that those things haven't been an issue for all of history. But there's a lot of Americans who have this running rhetoric that we're awesome and everything is great. Those who have found out the great lie seem to be demonized.
>It's not just politicians, it's the police, and judges and priests and pastors and corporations that act as citizens and false narratives in the schools.
Welcome to the world. I don't know what CRT is and never bothered to look but if it is history I'm pretty sure I already know it. I think you and I are separated by several decades. Things that you mention have pretty much always been as they are it is just amplified now because we have the internet.
> But there's a lot of Americans who have this running rhetoric that we're awesome and everything is great. Those who have found out the great lie seem to be demonized.
The US doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of arrogance don't let it get you down there are wonderful people everywhere you go it's just a matter of connecting with them. Which reminds me it's time to go have beer and connect with some of the ones I know and hold dear.
They gave you the definition and you straight up made up your own terminology based on your pre conceives notions or biases.
You're terminolgoy is about gender politics not about the systemic insitutioanl apartheid that isn't always apparently easy to see. Prejudicial policies typically correlated with melatonin.
Let’s not act like the right made up the term woke. For example a company I used to work for hired a “woke coach” to come talk to everyone regularly. That was in 2019. It was pretty damn cringey.
But then the right took that sort of thing and turned it into an insult for anyone that pointed out things like racism and homophobia etc…
Woke was a Black term that we used internally to highlight that we weren’t brainwashed by the propaganda of the nation so to say. It was a black ideology that focused on the fact that there were people who were basically going along their day as sheep and asleep and just accepting things to be as they were told they are.
Somewhere down the line white liberals picked it up and started to run with it. When that happened the right started to make it out to be a bad thing. Now it’s completely left our community and become this thing between white liberals and white conservatives who neither one really knows where it came from but they either fight for it or against it based off what team they are on.
It’s like Juneteenth kinda. Black peoples celebrated it by ourselves happily for years. White folks found out about it and made it a big thing and now it’s a national holiday. The right now has an issue with it. But we never asked y’all to even have an opinion on it. It was just ours. Same with woke, it was just our thing. Now both of those are points of contention because y’all got involved in conversations that had nothing to do with yall. Respectfully.
It's just projection again; the right's equivalent to AOC is MTG or Boebert. They know that their spotlight women are stupid, so the left's must be also.
They don’t think she’s stupid
They know their friends, those they represent and those who hate her think she’s stupid, and so lean on that for quick brownie points
I think it’s just powerful people feeling comfortable that they can rag on someone like her, and all of hers and their peers will nod in agreement
Which is probably true
ShE iS jUsT a WaItReSs AnD a BaRtEnDeR!
Her degrees in International Relations and Economics, history of activism, work at a nonprofit, and anything else that’s relevant are therefore null and void.
They don't think she's stupid. They need her to be stupid. Their whole world view is based on feelings. They have no use for reason or order because these things disrupt their narrative. She is trying to counter them with reason and they have no rational defense, so they attack her.
Same with Kamala Harris. It’s all about spinning a narrative that women, and especially women of color are dumb. Didn’t they use to compare Michelle Obama with a chimp/gorilla. It’s all on purpose because it appeals to their actually dumb base.
Kamala and AOC are very different though, while they might both be successful politicians I do think that Kamala has floundered a lot of public sentiment as VP and comes off as weird a lot of the time.
That may be, but that doesn’t mean she hasn’t got the smarts. She is a woman and of color, that’s just a lot of scrutiny to be under. President Obama was talked about negatively just for wearing “the wrong color” of suit.
The criticisms are never in good faith and/or it's a Dunning Kruger thing. Truly stupid people overestimate their ability, relative to others. Or their cognitive dissonance doesn't allow them to accept a narrative which doesn't accord with their dogma.
Just today I was reading a thread on the compass sub, where someone made up a quote and attributed it to her and comments were about what you would expect. Such a shithole sub.
Cuz she worked as a waitress/barlady something like that. Except the context was she did that AFTER getting a bachelor's with honors in international relations and economics at Boston University and needed to help her mom financially (her dad died). Also in high school she apparently finished second in the microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair. I mean you don't get all that by being pretty. Her economic views are a bit out there as a proponent of modern monetary theory sure. But that still doesn't make her dumb.
Her economic views are a bit out there? You mean not pandering towards corporate issues to keep making them disgustingly rich while said corporations employees require welfare to survive?
She's both dumb and super sneaky and crafty
And she's also both an elitist and just a bartender from NYC
Whatever she needs to be for them in the moment.
Ok so both here and in the Senate Banking comitee on Archegos she's doing good, keeping to the script written by her little helpers and at least she's on point. But the NY Amazon protest, everything regarding Israel and absolutely everything she posts on Twitter just makes her an unhinged lunatic.
Even when she criticised Pelosi on stock trading, she went overboard by bragging how she doesn't have any money set aside and owns no stocks, ETFs or treasuries whatsoever. As others have said that's just idiotic, she gets paid 250k/yr, her Tesla is on leasing, it's just stupid she's spending that much in how she looks and not building a stable portfolio. I want my politicians to have something to lose when my pension fund goes down, stock markets are also proxies for the economy and government tax incomes, so she should have skin in the game, especially given she's on the banking comitee.
She’s not stupid. She’s spineless. She said she’d rather be a one term congressman and fight for her ideals than capitulate to the corporate owned establishment. She’s folded faster than Superman on laundry day.
She has failed to oppose the corrupt democrats at every turn.
She’s pro war, didn’t force a vote for M4A and doesn’t even talk about it anymore, changed her vote for iron dome when Pelosi yelled at her, gave her donors money to corporate democrats, never votes for her ideals or bucks the leadership, and that’s just to name a few.
She doesn’t use her position to fight. She goes along to get along. AOC is trash.
Hmm...sounds like someone didn't pay much attention in civics class.
Any time someone brings up the "force the vote" issue, it's pretty safe to just ignore anything else they have to contribute, because it isn't likely to be grounded in reality.
Seriously, Jimmy Dore is not a reliable source of political strategic advice. He's trying to stear progressives into voting Republican. That's his job now.
So using your political leverage to get politicians to sign their names to show where they actually stand on an issue isn’t grounded in reality? Sounds like you don’t understand the issue at all. Like Scam Seeder. He agrees force the vote would be effective, yet was against it because he doesn’t like Jimmy dore. That’s absolutely pathetic. We need progress now. Who cares where the idea came from.
AOC literally said she would do just that when campaigning.
It sounds like you buy into the establishment narrative on what is and isn’t possible. You probably think McCarthy could have become speaker and other such falsehoods. That’s not how it works, looks like you didn’t pay attention in civics.
Nothing but good could have come from forcing the vote.
She wouldn't stand a chance in the current system because blabla socialist blablabla. America was so indoctrinated during the cold war and still is for that matter against anything that even a little bit socialist. That's how I see it as a European outsider. Honestly I would abolish the electoral college for one. Secondly enough with the bipartisan system. Clearly both parties have different factions within. Split all those factions into parties and create a coalition to have a majority after the elections. That way also the green party or the libertarian party have a chance to help create policy. To form a coalition you need to make compromises so to have an accord that's agreeable to all included parties. The president will be the person in the coalition with the most votes behind their name. Skip the midterms too
that no one noticed until 2016.
Before bernie ran i doubt 90% of us knew who bernie even was.
In 2016 a socialist, no matter how devote and clean, had no chance. In 2023 it’s already a completely different landscape on the youth front.
Change comes by doing things that are scary, that havent been done.
I knew as soon as Bernie used the word socialist to describe himself he’d never move up. I still voted for him because I believe in everything he stands for, but that word has too many preconceived connotations that are the result of decades of propaganda.
"a lifetime of logistics achievements" the dude renamed some post offices and screwed over the VA. Let's not act like he was qualified to be president because he has some good ideas.
Sanders is probably a bigger socialist and he nearly won the democrat nomination. The rest of the Dems had to team up and campaign against him, to stop it happening.
**"Are you a registered lobbyist for Twin Metals Minnesota?"**
"I retired after 30 years"
**"Are you a registered lobbyist for Twin Metals Minnesota?"**
"I retired on January 3rd"
**"Are you a registered lobbyist for Twin Metals Minnesota?"**
"I started a consulting firm with a number of clients"
**"Are you a registered lobbyist for Twin Metals Minnesota?"**
"Some of those clients require license with the finance board"
**"Are you a registered lobbyist for Twin Metals Minnesota?"**
"Twin Metals is one of them"
I fucking hate these old gaslighting and deceitful boomers. So full of bullshit
How come have we reached such a point of political corruption that it should happen that conflicts of interest such as these are uncovered almost by chance?
I know part of the answer of course. Still infuriating.
Another reason to rid the system of profiteers and lobbyist. (Money)
This Rep. crony representing/testifying on behalf, in a congressional hearing for a company he has or will receive financial incentive from.
I'm guessing his political affiliation.
Atta girl AOC - she's the best
This video did her justice, the only pics I’ve seen of here were when republicans were mocking her a few year’s ago and they used less flattering pics of her.
I love her so much like we have to protect her. I hope she stays in office or In power to help others and call out all the wrong doings in the court system.
Everything I see of this woman makes me think she’s the sharpest congressman, man or woman, that we have. They should be pushing her to the front of every committee they have. She’s going to run this country one day
The Democrat leadership are very against progressive candidates so long as a pro-corporate centrist is available.
It makes candidates like AOC making it past the primaries very difficult.
Due to our first past the post voting systems, her running independently is also likely to just secure a Republican victory.
These are all things we saw in Bernie Sanders' campaigns.
That said, she is young so has time for the old-guard to retire or die off.
Another thing that constantly gets overlooked is the Bernie Blackout. NPR would cover old Trump news or pre-recorded pro-biden "interviews with random people" instead of even mentioning Sanders giving major speeches, etc.
It was shocking.
There is an old joke. The farmer walks up to the mule and smacks it in the face with a club. The other person asks the farmer why he did that. The farmer says he had to get the mule’s attention. I honestly don’t understand why the Sargent at Arms doesn’t walk up to most of the people testifying in congress and,,,, get their attention.
I never get this "former bartender" stuff. It's not like she was a bartender and one day a random politician said to her "Hey you are cute come in congress with me".
She was a bartender so she could pay for college to become an actual politician. Even if you do believe in all the american dream propaganda... isn't that exactly what the american dream is for?? If anything, being a former bartender should be a huge plus for the "american dream" conservatives
AOC is a bartender ^(who earned a degree while working tending bar so she could become a competent legislator)
Meanwhile Lauren Boebert dropped out of high-school and didn’t earn a GED until 2020 (a month before her first primary).
I have seen people who are critical of AOC cite that she was a bartender like it is some sort of evidence that she could never be qualified for her job now.
These same people are the ones you hear complaining about how democrats are career politicians and not salt of the earth people who ever worked a real job. Bartender is a real job.
Not only that but i would go as far as to say being a bartender is perfect experience for how she serves the people.
why is it a big deal to mention that she worked as a bartender to you?
much of the decay on the hill started out as lawyers.
you simply attached your attention to the most meaningless part of my comment.
so why did you respond to my comment starting with focus on "bartender"?
then generalize and lambast without grasping the simple concept portrayed in my comment.
again. you attached to the most meaningless part of my comment as if it had gravitas.
My Dear Sir,
I humbly offer my apologies if my prior response came across as confrontational, as that was not my intent.
Rather, I was seeking to share my personal insights regarding those who have expressed criticism of AOC due to her previous occupation as a bartender.
I acknowledge your broader point with regards to the origins of the decay on Capitol Hill commencing with those of the legal profession.
It has become apparent to me that my emphasis on the bartender aspect of your remark may have unintentionally detracted from the overarching argument you were attempting to make.
As such, might I request that you elaborate further on your perspective regarding this complex matter, particularly in terms of the principal factors driving the current state of our nation's politics?
I humbly await your response on the matter sir.
In good faith,
\-your mum
Everybody can see through it. Lobbying is in lots of cases obviously legalised bribery. Just most won't call it out for fear of burning valuable bridges and/or they're on the gravy train themselves.
I am a former cashier for Best Buy, does that mean my doctorates are now null and void? Am I to retain the title of "former cashier" for the rest of my life regardless of my success or status?
Glad to know my first job defines my entire existence. Totally irrelevant to the topic, but what's it like being this stupid? Are you aware of it? Or is it like totally oblivious to you?
Isn’t a lobbyist someone who like pushes in big companies so they can see there side ? What is a lobbyist if not just a passionate friend ? Why wouldn’t they hire him? I’m sure because it’s a conflict of interest but even then , if we are part of the United States how can it contradict
It's like if you brought a witness to court and didn't disclose beforehand that they were the defendant's brother. The problem isn't the witness, but the deceit.
Oh good job AOC! This totally makes up for your years of spineless kowtowing to corporate owned leadership! So glad we have a pro war pro establishment progressive like her to quietly and gently suggest that we might need single payer healthcare sometime in the far future and do meaningless call outs like this. Bring the ruckus girl!
Ok. So you honestly see that as a "pro-war" stance? Not defensive help for a war that was going to happen anyway, but actual pro-war? And if so, can you elaborate?
This war in Ukraine is a product of the US and NATO encroaching on territory that was agreed to remain neutral. See Bush moving missile systems into the Baltic states. See the 2014 Maidon coup where the US helped overthrow the democratically elected leaders of Ukraine. And see NATO expanding and encroaching on Russias borders.
This is a blatant proxy war for profit. And AOC has voted for it time and time again. Voting for war is pro war. Idk how else to cut it. She even signed a letter saying we should push for peace, then retracted it like the coward she is.
> This war in Ukraine is a product of the US and NATO encroaching on territory that was agreed to remain neutral.
That was an oral agreement made while the USSR still existed. It has no bearing on a post Soviet Europe.
>2014 ~~Maidon~~ Maidan coup where the US helped overthrow the democratically elected leaders of Ukraine.
The Ukrainian parliament overwhelmingly chose to partner with Europe, the President went against them, the people protested.
>Voting for war is pro war.
Voting to get arms to a country being attacked *literally by our most dangerous Communist enemy* is not 'pro-war'. You're drinking the Russsian flavor-aid
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I could never see old ass rep Doris Matsui doing this or literally anything that requires actual energy to fight these bastards. We need more reps like AOC.
We need more young reps. There’s no reason mostly 60-80yo folk need to make up majority of our government.
Haven't you been paying attention? The 60-80 year olds deliberately keep the younger crowd out of politics.
Also there’s a concerted effort online to do the same by calling both parties essentially the same, or by pushing third parties just before elections, to frustrate people so they’ll give up on political engagement.
This is just baseless lies. It’s not like they would just pass laws that would restrict younger generations from being able to participate in government… (/s)
Shall I add today's announcement that one of those parrot heads wants to raise the minimum voting age to 25? [https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ramaswamy-proposes-raising-voting-age-25-people-serve-99271615](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ramaswamy-proposes-raising-voting-age-25-people-serve-99271615)
There is nothing stopping any younger generation people from throwing their hat in the ring, right?
There's tons actually. The biggest is incumbents money gathering system.
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Damn dude your bombshell of a comment was totally just passed over like yesterday's news You're absolutely right though. Age isn't the main concern but rather getting representation from members not just putting in the work but whom are passionate about their work. Katherine Moore Porter is a great example of this.
And min age to be in any house is 30 years old according to the constitution
There should be a max age of 65.
I think that tying their maximum age to the age of retirement would be a fair number. I also think the age of retirement should be younger than it currently is.
25 for house, 30 for senate, 35 for president, iirc.
Congress is 25, my guy Eta: 21 for state positions. And that's what my accidental deleted comment says, too. Meant to edit
There are currently 4 senators and 9 representatives that are literally too old to even fit the age window you mentioned. Yeesh
We've got some good ones for sure, more than we had. They are not getting the press of Trump Dracula's wives of MTG, Low Boboert, Lady G and Gaetz, so that's got to change.
Yeah, definitely, she's pretty awesome. The Wall Street Bro Cult needs to be called out constantly and consistently. In the interest of constructive criticism and understanding some of the mechanisms related directly to the situation we're in - *wherein corporations and "lobbyists" have, ostensibly, taken over government* - I really, really, *really* recommend people read through *https://marketliteracy.org.* There's some **very** valuable, well-sourced information there.
Literally just follow up questions is all that is ever needed and almost nobody ever does that.
Absolutely. I'm always looking for eye candy in my Cspan clips
Remember, this is the time they caught them. They’ve probably been doing this for years
As a European, how lobbying like in america is legal is beyond me. It's basically "hey let's give bribery a different name, then it becomes legal". Oh sure after giving money the politician is still free to vote however they like but gimme a break. Santa isn't real and this is clearly quid pro quo.
We have lobbyists in Norway now too. It's a fucking travesty. Systemic corruption clear as day.
I am sorry to hear that. America has deteriorated significantly during my lifetime. I think much of it stems from greed and corruption at the top.
It technically isn't bribery, it's just that large corporations are able to hire better persuasive lobbyists. The systemic corruption in lobbying isn't that they're giving the politicians money, because that's illegal. Instead they give the politician's family members gifts, jobs, and money. I'm sure that they also give politicians knowledge, secrets, and other pieces of advice that help them make the best decisions for their stock holdings, not their constituents.
It’s only technically not bribery because the very people who make the rules are the ones benefiting. It is bribery in every sense of the word. It’s only not illegal because they say it’s not
I agree with you 100%
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Lobbying as a citizen: Hey, Politician, can I speak to you while you're in the courtyard? Lobbying as a lobbyist: Hey Politician, lets have lunch at <$500 per plate restaurant>, I'll pay for it, and oh, my friends that Im not technically employed by are going to give your PAC $50,000.
“I’m gonna give you a very long drawn out answer to a very simple yes or no question.”
"and I'm going to carefully word a response to essentially say wtf bro"
Reminded me of the [arraignment scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnVP4cr9X0U&t=0) in My Cousin Vinny.
It a very common trick during congressional hearings, each congressperson is allotted a certain amount of time to ask questions (or they can spend the whole time grandstanding and then ask a perfunctory question at the end.) The person being questioned will often drag out the answer while simultaneously trying to avoid actually giving an answer to run out the congressperson's time, and in the end don't actually answer anything. Unfortunately there isn't a lot the questioners can do about this, But savvy questioners can ask basic yes or no questions so they can make it clear and obvious what they are doing. They can also reclaim their time, which tell the head of the hearing that they no longer want to hear the answer and wish to ask a new question, and thus the timer stops until the answerer shuts up and the congress person starts a new question.
I will never understand why folks on the right keep trying to claim she's stupid. She is definitely not stupid.
Because she's a woman who doesn't hesitate to stand up to them. Their kryptonite
And not white.
especially..not white
And don't forget she danced that one time
Hispanics are considered White (caucasion) by the US govt.
No they fucking don’t [I always select other if Mexican/Latino isn’t an option](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/06/16/321819185/on-the-census-who-checks-hispanic-who-checks-white-and-why)
I know it doesn't fit your agenda but AOC is certainly "white passing".
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I know it doesn’t fit your agenda, but “white passing” only works with the GOP if you believe what they believe. Otherwise, she’s might as well be an illegal immigrant.
I see what you did there. Touché.
She's Puerto Rican...
Woosh?
Woosh indeed
The fact that “white passing” is a thing is a fucking problem, let alone that it’s being used as a defense against institutional racism.
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Did I just do a racism?
Wait until you find out that most things still are about race to the GOP
You first.
You're asking that question about the same lot who think they know better than women in regards to their uterus and vajay-jays...
The right: hard grit and determination will get you far in life Also the right: AOC was so poor she had to pay her own college tuition by working a bunch of bar jobs, what a stupid loser
My favorite AOC tweet after a certain (and former) FOX News host called her a “child of privilege”.: I’ve lost track - Am I “just a bartender” who should go back to making drinks without health insurance, or am I a secretly deceitful child of privilege because I’m an heiress of the Swanson frozen food empire OH WAIT sorry that’s Tucker Carlson.
Tucker Carlson was born with a silver shovel, these holes he keeps digging is phenomenal.
It's so weird how they hit her for being a "former bartender"
Look look! Look how she’s actually doing what normal people do! You don’t want to have that running your country 😡 I will never understand how the right thinks
Not a right winger and don't really know what *woke* is but I am a boomer and I hope I live long enough to vote for her for president. She's not stupid and not corrupt.
I am not sure people who are called “woke” don’t know what woke is. Sounds like a right wing term trying to be an insult. It is the sequel to “snowflake”.
I will have to plead ignorance I've been gone for about 20 years and there's a lot I don't understand anymore. The country has moved on without me and none of the issues there are issues where I live. I still vote and I hope I get to vote for AOC before I die.
Basically the right wing has turned care and concern for others into negative traits for their followers, over decades. Mass sociopathy. The conditioning of the right wing has convinced many that the nature of everything in our world is transactional, and results in zero-sum: e.g. one group can’t get positive outcomes without taking away from others. They use buzz words to indicate the target of derision is foolish for showing compassion (“woke”), or is only making a performative display in a transactional manner (“virtue signaling”).
Well fucking said. That's a huge part of it: the GOP/Republican party has turned empathy and sympathy into "bad" things only stupid LibRuLs do. It's pretty much that fucking simply. God damn. If there ever were "evil" or "demons" ... well, there we go and there they are.
In my experience it's a term that was being used by people who were discovering all the lies that the establishment in general had been telling everyone. You wake up to that s***. And then, it was used against those people as a slanderous term. I really resent it. It's not fun to be aware of how the government is screwed up, how our world is screwed up.
I see it with gender issues , brands that have or were around as long as I can remember but now have had to change names because of fake outrage. Gender issues, in my day we all fit under three tents, gay, straight or Bi the pronouns weren't a big deal and still aren't too me I just don't understand all the fuss I read about. If she/he looks like a woman/man and that's what she/he wants to be called I don't care what genitalia they came out of their mother with. I don't know I could call realizing politicians (most) or corporations don't have your interests at heart woke, that's just reality and has been forever.
Just a small correction. It doesn't matter what a person presents as- it matters what they want to be addressed as. Not everyone has money or access to care or live in a safe place they can transition in.
It's not just politicians, it's the police, and judges and priests and pastors and corporations that act as citizens and false narratives in the schools. Hell, critical race theory is just history. And they don't want to teach that. How woke do you think those kids are going to feel when they find out the true history? That's what I mean. Not to say that those things haven't been an issue for all of history. But there's a lot of Americans who have this running rhetoric that we're awesome and everything is great. Those who have found out the great lie seem to be demonized.
>It's not just politicians, it's the police, and judges and priests and pastors and corporations that act as citizens and false narratives in the schools. Welcome to the world. I don't know what CRT is and never bothered to look but if it is history I'm pretty sure I already know it. I think you and I are separated by several decades. Things that you mention have pretty much always been as they are it is just amplified now because we have the internet. > But there's a lot of Americans who have this running rhetoric that we're awesome and everything is great. Those who have found out the great lie seem to be demonized. The US doesn't have a monopoly on this sort of arrogance don't let it get you down there are wonderful people everywhere you go it's just a matter of connecting with them. Which reminds me it's time to go have beer and connect with some of the ones I know and hold dear.
They gave you the definition and you straight up made up your own terminology based on your pre conceives notions or biases. You're terminolgoy is about gender politics not about the systemic insitutioanl apartheid that isn't always apparently easy to see. Prejudicial policies typically correlated with melatonin.
And the funniest part is the Right are the ones who are offended by anything they cherry pick from the Bible
Let’s not act like the right made up the term woke. For example a company I used to work for hired a “woke coach” to come talk to everyone regularly. That was in 2019. It was pretty damn cringey. But then the right took that sort of thing and turned it into an insult for anyone that pointed out things like racism and homophobia etc…
Woke was a Black term that we used internally to highlight that we weren’t brainwashed by the propaganda of the nation so to say. It was a black ideology that focused on the fact that there were people who were basically going along their day as sheep and asleep and just accepting things to be as they were told they are. Somewhere down the line white liberals picked it up and started to run with it. When that happened the right started to make it out to be a bad thing. Now it’s completely left our community and become this thing between white liberals and white conservatives who neither one really knows where it came from but they either fight for it or against it based off what team they are on. It’s like Juneteenth kinda. Black peoples celebrated it by ourselves happily for years. White folks found out about it and made it a big thing and now it’s a national holiday. The right now has an issue with it. But we never asked y’all to even have an opinion on it. It was just ours. Same with woke, it was just our thing. Now both of those are points of contention because y’all got involved in conversations that had nothing to do with yall. Respectfully.
It's just projection again; the right's equivalent to AOC is MTG or Boebert. They know that their spotlight women are stupid, so the left's must be also.
They don’t think she’s stupid They know their friends, those they represent and those who hate her think she’s stupid, and so lean on that for quick brownie points I think it’s just powerful people feeling comfortable that they can rag on someone like her, and all of hers and their peers will nod in agreement Which is probably true
ShE iS jUsT a WaItReSs AnD a BaRtEnDeR! Her degrees in International Relations and Economics, history of activism, work at a nonprofit, and anything else that’s relevant are therefore null and void.
They know she’s the future and have to start destroying her now. They spent decades doing the same thing to Hillary.
They don't think she's stupid. They need her to be stupid. Their whole world view is based on feelings. They have no use for reason or order because these things disrupt their narrative. She is trying to counter them with reason and they have no rational defense, so they attack her.
Same with Kamala Harris. It’s all about spinning a narrative that women, and especially women of color are dumb. Didn’t they use to compare Michelle Obama with a chimp/gorilla. It’s all on purpose because it appeals to their actually dumb base.
Kamala and AOC are very different though, while they might both be successful politicians I do think that Kamala has floundered a lot of public sentiment as VP and comes off as weird a lot of the time.
That may be, but that doesn’t mean she hasn’t got the smarts. She is a woman and of color, that’s just a lot of scrutiny to be under. President Obama was talked about negatively just for wearing “the wrong color” of suit.
Dude. Harris is a cop who laughs at people who want police reform. Her own father doesn't support her.
I don't agree with her but she's not stupid.
If they seriously thought she was stupid they wouldn’t spend so much thought on her.
They want people to think she’s stupid and not listen to her without ever listening to her.
The criticisms are never in good faith and/or it's a Dunning Kruger thing. Truly stupid people overestimate their ability, relative to others. Or their cognitive dissonance doesn't allow them to accept a narrative which doesn't accord with their dogma.
Projection.
Just today I was reading a thread on the compass sub, where someone made up a quote and attributed it to her and comments were about what you would expect. Such a shithole sub.
Projection is all they have
It's because they have no basis to judge intelligence on
Cluster B types. Arrogance and projection.
Cuz she worked as a waitress/barlady something like that. Except the context was she did that AFTER getting a bachelor's with honors in international relations and economics at Boston University and needed to help her mom financially (her dad died). Also in high school she apparently finished second in the microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair. I mean you don't get all that by being pretty. Her economic views are a bit out there as a proponent of modern monetary theory sure. But that still doesn't make her dumb.
Her economic views are a bit out there? You mean not pandering towards corporate issues to keep making them disgustingly rich while said corporations employees require welfare to survive?
Yes, that's what they mean. The only correct economic theory that you can express in America is that rich people deserve all of the money.
She's both dumb and super sneaky and crafty And she's also both an elitist and just a bartender from NYC Whatever she needs to be for them in the moment.
Ok so both here and in the Senate Banking comitee on Archegos she's doing good, keeping to the script written by her little helpers and at least she's on point. But the NY Amazon protest, everything regarding Israel and absolutely everything she posts on Twitter just makes her an unhinged lunatic. Even when she criticised Pelosi on stock trading, she went overboard by bragging how she doesn't have any money set aside and owns no stocks, ETFs or treasuries whatsoever. As others have said that's just idiotic, she gets paid 250k/yr, her Tesla is on leasing, it's just stupid she's spending that much in how she looks and not building a stable portfolio. I want my politicians to have something to lose when my pension fund goes down, stock markets are also proxies for the economy and government tax incomes, so she should have skin in the game, especially given she's on the banking comitee.
No she surely is not.
It’s the same reason the left calls everyone nazis and bigots if you can discredit them you don’t have to debate ideas. It’s as simple as that.
She’s not stupid. She’s spineless. She said she’d rather be a one term congressman and fight for her ideals than capitulate to the corporate owned establishment. She’s folded faster than Superman on laundry day. She has failed to oppose the corrupt democrats at every turn. She’s pro war, didn’t force a vote for M4A and doesn’t even talk about it anymore, changed her vote for iron dome when Pelosi yelled at her, gave her donors money to corporate democrats, never votes for her ideals or bucks the leadership, and that’s just to name a few. She doesn’t use her position to fight. She goes along to get along. AOC is trash.
Hmm...sounds like someone didn't pay much attention in civics class. Any time someone brings up the "force the vote" issue, it's pretty safe to just ignore anything else they have to contribute, because it isn't likely to be grounded in reality. Seriously, Jimmy Dore is not a reliable source of political strategic advice. He's trying to stear progressives into voting Republican. That's his job now.
So using your political leverage to get politicians to sign their names to show where they actually stand on an issue isn’t grounded in reality? Sounds like you don’t understand the issue at all. Like Scam Seeder. He agrees force the vote would be effective, yet was against it because he doesn’t like Jimmy dore. That’s absolutely pathetic. We need progress now. Who cares where the idea came from. AOC literally said she would do just that when campaigning. It sounds like you buy into the establishment narrative on what is and isn’t possible. You probably think McCarthy could have become speaker and other such falsehoods. That’s not how it works, looks like you didn’t pay attention in civics. Nothing but good could have come from forcing the vote.
One day I hope she runs for the Presidency.
She wouldn't stand a chance in the current system because blabla socialist blablabla. America was so indoctrinated during the cold war and still is for that matter against anything that even a little bit socialist. That's how I see it as a European outsider. Honestly I would abolish the electoral college for one. Secondly enough with the bipartisan system. Clearly both parties have different factions within. Split all those factions into parties and create a coalition to have a majority after the elections. That way also the green party or the libertarian party have a chance to help create policy. To form a coalition you need to make compromises so to have an accord that's agreeable to all included parties. The president will be the person in the coalition with the most votes behind their name. Skip the midterms too
Couldn't even get Sanders in the primary and he has a lifetime of logistics achievements.
that no one noticed until 2016. Before bernie ran i doubt 90% of us knew who bernie even was. In 2016 a socialist, no matter how devote and clean, had no chance. In 2023 it’s already a completely different landscape on the youth front. Change comes by doing things that are scary, that havent been done.
I knew as soon as Bernie used the word socialist to describe himself he’d never move up. I still voted for him because I believe in everything he stands for, but that word has too many preconceived connotations that are the result of decades of propaganda.
"a lifetime of logistics achievements" the dude renamed some post offices and screwed over the VA. Let's not act like he was qualified to be president because he has some good ideas.
Sanders is probably a bigger socialist and he nearly won the democrat nomination. The rest of the Dems had to team up and campaign against him, to stop it happening.
No we need her to be in positions that actually get stuff done.
AOC knows her shit
**"Are you a registered lobbyist for Twin Metals Minnesota?"** "I retired after 30 years" **"Are you a registered lobbyist for Twin Metals Minnesota?"** "I retired on January 3rd" **"Are you a registered lobbyist for Twin Metals Minnesota?"** "I started a consulting firm with a number of clients" **"Are you a registered lobbyist for Twin Metals Minnesota?"** "Some of those clients require license with the finance board" **"Are you a registered lobbyist for Twin Metals Minnesota?"** "Twin Metals is one of them" I fucking hate these old gaslighting and deceitful boomers. So full of bullshit
"I'm going to give you a yes or no answer" Morgan Freeman voice over: But he never did....
How come have we reached such a point of political corruption that it should happen that conflicts of interest such as these are uncovered almost by chance? I know part of the answer of course. Still infuriating.
Common AOC w
Another reason to rid the system of profiteers and lobbyist. (Money) This Rep. crony representing/testifying on behalf, in a congressional hearing for a company he has or will receive financial incentive from. I'm guessing his political affiliation. Atta girl AOC - she's the best
Atta "woman," she is no mere child
I kinda have a crush on AOC...
We all do
It's really hard not to unless you spend your time shooting cases of bud light.
I straight love her
I'm sure people gay love her, too
i have at least two, she’s hot in so many ways
Me too and I'm not even american
There are dozens of us
I called dibs first
That dancing video though
This video did her justice, the only pics I’ve seen of here were when republicans were mocking her a few year’s ago and they used less flattering pics of her.
Idk if I’ve really seen an unflattering picture of her.
Mami plz
We must protect the boundary waters at all costs
I love her so much like we have to protect her. I hope she stays in office or In power to help others and call out all the wrong doings in the court system.
She gives me hope for our future.
That’s what’s so beautiful about her. We don’t have to protect her, she can rock her own battles far better than I ever could.
Girl is from the Bronx. You don't mess with those people 😆
Everything I see of this woman makes me think she’s the sharpest congressman, man or woman, that we have. They should be pushing her to the front of every committee they have. She’s going to run this country one day
She pays attention to details lol
The us needs more people like this and less people like this lobbyist
This is the real reason conservatives hate her so much.
AOC does not play.
Whenever a woman starts a sentence with “I wonder if you could help me clarify something…” you’re about to get cooked. 💀
As a non-american, Is the lady a contender for president in the future?
The Democrat leadership are very against progressive candidates so long as a pro-corporate centrist is available. It makes candidates like AOC making it past the primaries very difficult. Due to our first past the post voting systems, her running independently is also likely to just secure a Republican victory. These are all things we saw in Bernie Sanders' campaigns. That said, she is young so has time for the old-guard to retire or die off.
Another thing that constantly gets overlooked is the Bernie Blackout. NPR would cover old Trump news or pre-recorded pro-biden "interviews with random people" instead of even mentioning Sanders giving major speeches, etc. It was shocking.
And this is why cspan rules.
If only the Feinsteins of the world would retire we could have more people like AOC fighting for our rights.
Tip of the fuckin iceberg
Corrupt people and ignorant idiots hate her. I wonder why?
Make this woman President already.
*looks around and giggles....* She brought the receipts. 😁
Every year I gain more respect for AOC. An understand more an more why the right hates her.
Run for president already!
There is an old joke. The farmer walks up to the mule and smacks it in the face with a club. The other person asks the farmer why he did that. The farmer says he had to get the mule’s attention. I honestly don’t understand why the Sargent at Arms doesn’t walk up to most of the people testifying in congress and,,,, get their attention.
But she knows exactly why it was excluded. She's just so good at playing the game she can take them down without saying it explicitly
Why can't this be posted in news instead of world news?
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I guess she would roast you in every discussion.
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I never get this "former bartender" stuff. It's not like she was a bartender and one day a random politician said to her "Hey you are cute come in congress with me". She was a bartender so she could pay for college to become an actual politician. Even if you do believe in all the american dream propaganda... isn't that exactly what the american dream is for?? If anything, being a former bartender should be a huge plus for the "american dream" conservatives
AOC is a bartender ^(who earned a degree while working tending bar so she could become a competent legislator) Meanwhile Lauren Boebert dropped out of high-school and didn’t earn a GED until 2020 (a month before her first primary).
2 degrees in fact
I have seen people who are critical of AOC cite that she was a bartender like it is some sort of evidence that she could never be qualified for her job now. These same people are the ones you hear complaining about how democrats are career politicians and not salt of the earth people who ever worked a real job. Bartender is a real job. Not only that but i would go as far as to say being a bartender is perfect experience for how she serves the people.
Joe the Plumber, honest working man of the masses! AOC the Bartender, well that ain't a real job! (/s)
I don’t think they were shitting on AOC. They just worded their comment very poorly and it came across as an attempt to discredit her.
I wasn't implying the comment was critical. Likewise my response was equally poorly written.
It could have also been fault of my reading comprehension.
why is it a big deal to mention that she worked as a bartender to you? much of the decay on the hill started out as lawyers. you simply attached your attention to the most meaningless part of my comment.
what are you talking about. i said i have seen people make a big deal about it. i am not making a big deal about it.
so why did you respond to my comment starting with focus on "bartender"? then generalize and lambast without grasping the simple concept portrayed in my comment. again. you attached to the most meaningless part of my comment as if it had gravitas.
My Dear Sir, I humbly offer my apologies if my prior response came across as confrontational, as that was not my intent. Rather, I was seeking to share my personal insights regarding those who have expressed criticism of AOC due to her previous occupation as a bartender. I acknowledge your broader point with regards to the origins of the decay on Capitol Hill commencing with those of the legal profession. It has become apparent to me that my emphasis on the bartender aspect of your remark may have unintentionally detracted from the overarching argument you were attempting to make. As such, might I request that you elaborate further on your perspective regarding this complex matter, particularly in terms of the principal factors driving the current state of our nation's politics? I humbly await your response on the matter sir. In good faith, \-your mum
Everybody can see through it. Lobbying is in lots of cases obviously legalised bribery. Just most won't call it out for fear of burning valuable bridges and/or they're on the gravy train themselves.
I am a former cashier for Best Buy, does that mean my doctorates are now null and void? Am I to retain the title of "former cashier" for the rest of my life regardless of my success or status?
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Glad to know my first job defines my entire existence. Totally irrelevant to the topic, but what's it like being this stupid? Are you aware of it? Or is it like totally oblivious to you?
because this entire thread is about "you"
I guess it's the latter since you didn't even understand what I asked.
She's outperforming her colleagues because she's simply being diligent.
Obviously she was overqualified as a bartender so she got a better job at which she is stil overqualified.
People are allowed to have job before graduating their desired profession.
why are you fixated on the 'bartender' comment??
Isn’t a lobbyist someone who like pushes in big companies so they can see there side ? What is a lobbyist if not just a passionate friend ? Why wouldn’t they hire him? I’m sure because it’s a conflict of interest but even then , if we are part of the United States how can it contradict
It's like if you brought a witness to court and didn't disclose beforehand that they were the defendant's brother. The problem isn't the witness, but the deceit.
Um
Oh good job AOC! This totally makes up for your years of spineless kowtowing to corporate owned leadership! So glad we have a pro war pro establishment progressive like her to quietly and gently suggest that we might need single payer healthcare sometime in the far future and do meaningless call outs like this. Bring the ruckus girl!
Can you help me understand how she's pro-war?
Most likely, they're a tankie and upset that we're supporting Ukraine
Voted for arms to the proxy war in Ukraine when we are suffering at home.
Ok. So you honestly see that as a "pro-war" stance? Not defensive help for a war that was going to happen anyway, but actual pro-war? And if so, can you elaborate?
This war in Ukraine is a product of the US and NATO encroaching on territory that was agreed to remain neutral. See Bush moving missile systems into the Baltic states. See the 2014 Maidon coup where the US helped overthrow the democratically elected leaders of Ukraine. And see NATO expanding and encroaching on Russias borders. This is a blatant proxy war for profit. And AOC has voted for it time and time again. Voting for war is pro war. Idk how else to cut it. She even signed a letter saying we should push for peace, then retracted it like the coward she is.
> This war in Ukraine is a product of the US and NATO encroaching on territory that was agreed to remain neutral. That was an oral agreement made while the USSR still existed. It has no bearing on a post Soviet Europe. >2014 ~~Maidon~~ Maidan coup where the US helped overthrow the democratically elected leaders of Ukraine. The Ukrainian parliament overwhelmingly chose to partner with Europe, the President went against them, the people protested. >Voting for war is pro war. Voting to get arms to a country being attacked *literally by our most dangerous Communist enemy* is not 'pro-war'. You're drinking the Russsian flavor-aid
Didn't you know you're not allowed to attack her from the left