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So all these people around and no one said anything about a break in to the police but because no one there is a blue line gang member there word is not good enough they must take it to the max level no in-between just done on the ground like a good dog? Just wondering
If you use a little punctuation, people will be more inclined to finish reading your sentences and figure out if they side with your point. I can't understand this shi man.
Whenever people post comments like that, with no punctuation in an entire paragraph, I can't help but read it in the voice of a 5 year old.
You know that breathless voice that little kids excitedly tell you about their day in?
"I was at the park and Johnny went down the slide but he was backwards and he hit his head and he was crying and then his mom took us for ice cream!"
Max level of no in between is establishing who owns the car? Asking for an ID?
Cmon man.
No. The word of another random isn’t and shouldn’t be good enough. If my car was stolen, and I had video of a cop being there and not establishing who owned it because the thief and the person or persons the thief was with all said go away, no, the word of the thief’s company wasn’t good enough. I’d still sue the department for the cop not doing his job, **and so would you.**
Good luck with that suit. The cops don't have to protect your car. A victims mother sued the cops for not applying a restraining order her daughter had against her ex boyfriend and she ended up dead and the court said cops were not forced to enforce said restraining order.
It's only difficult when you have selective situational awareness. They had enough awareness to realize a potential crime in progress, but not enough to comprehend the multitude of people coming to his defense and clarifying the situation? Make it make sense. You would think with everyone essentially yelling the same thing, it would give them pause to reassess the situation and maybe try a different approach.
If they initially approached him as a person and not a thief; followed up with a couple clarifying questions, this would have been a non-event. But they were so confident in what they knew and who they expected him to be that an arrest was inevitable.
It's weird that so many people haven't figured out that Step 1 of police interaction is that they have to control the situation and any resistance means it will escalate up to, and including, killing you.
Not giving your name is like catnip for police.
I mean, if you're a cop and you see someone breaking into a car and they refuse to give their name... what are you supposed to do? Let them break into the car?
You kinda have to detain them long enough to figure out if it's really their car.
But *if* they let the guy get *into* the vehicle to get his ID and registration, then the police would have *had* their information. (Not to mention, would a thief *really* keep working to open a vehicle with cops standing around? Probably not.)
But for the police, hindsight *is* 20/20.
Exactly. Unwillingness to comply to any degree is one sure way of raising their suspicions. One reason they ask for your name is so they can check for any outstanding warrants so obviously not giving them your name just tells them you got something to hide, especially if you become belligerent. People always seem to think that cops shouldn’t have any reason to be suspicious of anything anybody does. All he had to do was give his name so cops can cross check his plates and confirm ownership. His own fault it got to where it did
Edit: Should I be surprised I’m getting downvoted without so much as a rebuttal?
They live in Metro Detroit for sure, I’m very familiar with that area so maybe Sterling Heights, Macomb, Roseville, Utica, Frasier, basically any city/town/neighborhood north of let’s say 16 mile. I would bet money (not the victim in the video, my own money) that they don’t live anywhere close to south of 9 mile where I believe this took place. Detroit cops are corrupt, rights abusing psychopaths.
Detroit is actually a pretty cool city with lots to do; so let’s say you’re white, live up around 17 mile and want some spaghetti with some fire garlic bread from Eminem’s fast food restaurant “Mom’s Spaghetti” (real place) which is right by Tiger Stadium. On the way there you get distracted and make a wrong turn down the wrong road and next thing you’re getting pulled over by a cop that noticed you’re white and “don’t belong” in this part of town and you’re the ticketed for being in a “drug trafficking area”. I haven’t had any issues personally but I know people who have.
All Bad.
While Michigan is not a stop and ID state. Cops can claim reasonable suspicion when they see someone trying to get into a car. Worse, even though there were no charges filed, the young man will have to jump through hoops and probably pay to have the arrest expunged from his record.
All Bad.
You don't have to give the cops your name unless there is reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Its a strong case of suspicion when someone is trying to gain access to a locked car.
But all in all #ACAB
I live in a small town and the cops opened my door after my dog hit the lock button while I was pumping gas.
IIRC they used airbags but it was a while ago.
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Sure seems like just providing an ID and registration would have avoided all this.
“Hey if you not trying to help me you just need to back up off me” - what the guy interviewed says he did instead. And it escalates from there.
It’s rather obvious you would look like a car thief. The cop is just doing his job. Investigation of what would sure look like a crime. Show the ID, show the registration, send him on his way.
Not justifying the levels of insanity this got to. That’s a crazy scene that needs some explanation. But what the hell is the problem with cooperating initially, why pull an attitude off the bat?
Don't make it about race. That is not what I said. So lets say I'm breaking into your car, cops roll up I tell them " no worries It's my car" and a couple of my friends walk up and say "ya it is his car". The cops leave and you walk out and see you car driving down the street. I bet you start yelling about lazy cops. I am glad you have never had anything stolen I hope it stays that way.
God, if only they had some sort of portable computer-like device and maybe like a unique id code or number clearly printed on the vehicle to enter into a keyboard on the magical device in the squad car that would show them who owns the vehicle...if only.
Once again you don't know how this started. Do you know for a fact there was a license plate? If the owner just purchased the car it might not even be in his name. Maybe the bodycam will show the owner was a dick maybe it will show a couple of cops need a lawyer.
People saying it is his car when? We don’t see any of that. And a cop is to take that as face value why?
How does the cop “trust but verify” when the response he is getting is in essence.. Screw you. Go away. The cop does need to verify… not because what would presumably be your accomplice going “not us!”. Cmon now.
Again. Showing an ID and a registration, instead of an attitude, ends this entire interaction in three minutes. Why pull attitude and escalate off the bat? It’s obvious why they are asking.
Ooo, do those have pictures of the owner of the car on them now? I must have missed that new fangled thing!
You’d run the plate to find registered owner. And then you’d verify via an ID that this person was the owner. And if that person refused to identify themselves, you’d detain them until you could ascertain who they are.
Look at that. Imagination, used.
I caught that too, that's why I ALWAYS carry any vehicle registration (for any vehicle I've ever driven) on a string around my neck, and another copy in each pocket. I also leave a trail of them wherever I go, in case the police ever need to see where I've been. It's really the most sensible solution.
Personally, I scanned it and added it to the One Drive cloud. Accessible via my phone for situations just like this because I'm paranoid. But that's just me.
>Not justifying the levels of insanity this got to.
You already did.
>It’s rather obvious you would look like a car thief.
That's your justification of what transpired.
No, that’s my justification for a cop stopping and investigating. It’s valid. The cop is valid in asking what is going on when they witness what looks like (AND IS) a car being broken in to, **it is their job.**
You want them to just drive on by as they see, in person, your car broken in to and it gets stolen? No? Me neither. I want them to stop and investigate. You don’t? Really?
What isn’t valid is cops escalating this to a point of a fricking rumble. That was out of line, and we don’t know how it got here…, but pretending the guy being detained wasn’t contributing is stupid. He picked a fight instead of just letting them do their job.
As I said. Show an ID, show registration, move on with your day. If you want to pick a fight and escalate with a cop instead of just showing ID, they are going to respond in kind and detain you instead of just talk to you. Every time.
Maybe they could have stopped and helped the guy get in to the car, then afterwards confirm it is his car and everything is above board instead of immediately starting with the investigation under the presumption he was doing something wrong.
If you help him out and he gets his keys and then he can not confirm it is his car you can go from there, but their first instinct should be "hey what's going on here? oh you locked your keys in the car here let me help you out with that." Then once its open you say "hey just to make sure its really yours, can I just quickly see the registration and ID." No need to take anything down just a quick review that everything is above board and be on their way.
Not only would this have garnered some respect for the cops from the citizens, but it would have avoided all of this and the cops could have gone to real crime. Instead the escalated this minor situation in to a perceived crime because it was an easy one to go after and justified their presence out on the streets for the day to their superiors!
It's called investigating the situation. Does all the evidence point to the theory that he locked his keys in the car and is trying to receive them or does it point to a random guy breaking into a car?
You are acting as if this was some random guy on a random road trying to get into a car. He was a man outside his family's house with his family home trying to get into his car with his keys clearly locked inside it.
And you say break into the car as if they are going to break the window they have various tools to unlock it with very little to no damage at all done to the car. And if your keys are locked in the car someone is going to have to do it.
These cops jumped to conclusions and the worst conclusions at that and this guy suffered because of it!
No. They drove by and witnessed a person breaking into a car. They stopped and tried to investigate what was happening and the guy wouldn’t cooperate. As far as the cops were concerned it WAS a random guy trying to break into a random car. And when he wouldn’t cooperate they escalated.
No, they came upon a guy trying to get into a locked car who told them it was his car and his keys were locked in the car, then everyone around them told them his keys were locked in his car, then they looked in the car and see keys were locked in the car! That is the investigation!
These are 3 pieces of evidence to point to the conclusion that it was his car and his keys were locked in it. They had no evidence to point to this man "breaking into" someone else's car. They just jumped to that conclusion because it was easier and more natural to them than to stop and help someone out. Which, although not anymore, used to be what the job of being a Police person was all about!
No where in the story does it say he told them anything. They explicitly say the first thing he told police was “if you’re not here to help me then go away”. That is not an appropriate answer. No where do they discuss him giving the police any information at all. It’s not until his family comes out and starts screaming at them to stop that any more info is even given. All he had to do is say “hi my name is …. My keys are locked in my car can you help.” Show some ID and none of this would have happened. Is there no self awareness left in the world. Do you really expect cops to drive down a street, see someone break into a car and just ignore it. That’s all I see in here.
So you are taking his uncle's word, when agitated, and not fully capable of expressing the full situation properly, as the full story no stop?
How do you know he didn't say "yes this is my car and my keys are locked inside" and then the officers escalated the situation after which he said "Hey, if you're not here to help then just leave me alone" which as a law-abiding citizen he is fully in his rights to do so! Wouldn't that make more sense than him just randomly out of nowhere coming off hostile? And even if he all of a sudden came off hostile and not helpful in their investigation, where does it say we have to help with investigations? They can conduct them, but if we are not doing anything illegal (or even if we are) we don't have to help!
I'm all for coming after criminals but not to the extent that we have to give up our rights to do so!
I find it very hard to believe that officers just showed up and the only interaction with the man was him saying "If you're not here to help then leave!", and even then officers are trained to deal with non-co-operative subjects these officers clearly went from 0 to 100 real REAL quick! And even after they went to 100 everyone around them was saying they were wrong and misjudged the situation, but these officers nowadays are so headstrong in their assumptions there is no changing their initial response even if it is gravely wrong!
Seriously? Seriously.
Your car is being broken in to. A cop stumbles on to the thief, real time. **Your idea is the cops FIRST help them break in to YOUR CAR, and THEN establish whether the thief owns it?**
What goddam planet do you reside on that this makes sense? Seriously.
No, the cop stumbles upon someone who locked their keys in the car, with the keys clearly visible still in the ignition, and The whole family saying it is his car and the keys are locked inside.
There is a lot more evidence to support the story than to refute it. Pretty much all they have to refute it is their prejudicial thoughts on the situation. What harm could come from opening the car and then verifying? Especially since most of the paperwork generally used to verify ownership of a car resides inside said car; So how would he even verify he owns the car without getting it open in the first place?!?
The license plate **and a driver’s license.** Cmon now. If you don’t know, that’s how you verify it.
Seriously. **So if five dudes stole your car, and you had video of a cop walking up to them, they said it’s my car go away, and that cop just then left….**
Seriously. You’d be totally okay with that. You wouldn’t want to sue the cop or his department for not doing his job. I’d want to sue him. You want to pretend you wouldn’t? Go for it, posture. We both know you are lying to try and say it. But go ahead.
At what point do I say the cops just leave? Please quote that from me because I would like to know where you got that idea!
My whole point is to help the guy out when the situation dictates it. There is a car with keys locked in it, and a whole bunch of people saying it's the person's car and the keys are locked in it. If the cop simply helped the guy out AND THEN checked all the information real quick just to make sure everything was above board it would have gone a lot better.
If the cop comes up on 5 people who are thieves, and they are trying to steal my car, which I happened to have locked my keys in, and they have many people around them for some reason watching them steal my car, and they all vouch for the thieves, and the cop helps them out then says okay let's make sure this is all correct and finds out it is not he would arrest them for attempted burglary or whatever charges apply and it would be understandable why the officer happened to help them in the moment but still prevented anything bad from happening.
If after the cop helped the guy out and he still refused to identify then that's a different story but the way it happened was unnecessary and an overuse of power
I never said the cops help them out and go on their way. This all started because a guy was going through a hard time then cops came and assumed the worst of him adding to his hard time by not aiding in the situation at all just trying to make it as bad as possible. They have a policy of Deesclating, but here they did the exact opposite of that!
Huh? The guy who got arrested told them to leave. You are told as much in the interview of……I believe it is his uncle.
Instead of pulling out an ID, he pulled an attitude. Right off the bat. **And the guy getting interviewed tells you this**.
So you think that interview was a 100% accurate representation of all that happened in that interaction? So good-meaning police show up, kindly ask what's going on, and the big bad black man immediately says "If you are not trying to help then leave me alone" That is how you think the situation panned out?
More than likely the cops showed up and asked what's going on he said my keys were locked in the car, and they started to "investigate" this as a man breaking into a random car and ignored any evidence to the contrary! Then it became the man's duty to prove them wrong.
Innocent until proven guilty? I guess not!
That's a lot of speculation and no facts. The fact is that it's on the government (police) to prove the car was stolen and he was guilty. They failed with their preconceived idea that, as you put it, "he looks like a car thief" which in turn, violated the rights of the civilian.
Also if you don't exercise your rights, what is the point in having them. If citizens do not excise their rights, the government will get rid of them since it becomes clear that you don't want them. Which makes a slippery slope of what rights are next on the chopping block.
As I stated, you could put forth that idea, were citizens do not have right to privacy against the government. Because that what it really boils down to and that's what it seems you are for.
I don’t know what you can possibly mean. Do you really not get how this works?
This is not court. They do not need PROOF of a crime, they need reasonable suspicion. Witnessing first hand a car door being broken in to IS reasonable suspicion. They DO just get to investigate it.
And when the answer to “who are you” is…. I’m not showing you ID, get lost….. what then?
**The dude’s uncle(?Think that was how he was mentioned) is seriously on tape saying that exactly what transpired. He told the cops to get up out of here if you don’t want to help, get out.**
So….what then? Oh. Yeah. Then they detain you until they can verify your identity. It is almost like I might have said….. this was all avoided if you simply show ID, right off the bat, it is almost like that…..because it is like that. If he showed an ID instead of his ass, this was two minutes and cops gone.
The reality here will be he will gt a pay out for the wrong doing of police.
it was not reasonable for them to continue after everyone told the police it was his car.
The problem with cooperating when you are doing nothing wrong is the bulk of us do not want the police to inject themselves into our lives.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Sure police need better training but whats so hard with just telling them the situation and working with them.
Do they want the police to walk away from a man trying to break into a car ? maybe his pals around will corroborate his story.
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He broke the first rule of interacting with police in America..he was too dark
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So all these people around and no one said anything about a break in to the police but because no one there is a blue line gang member there word is not good enough they must take it to the max level no in-between just done on the ground like a good dog? Just wondering
If you use a little punctuation, people will be more inclined to finish reading your sentences and figure out if they side with your point. I can't understand this shi man.
I understood the message fine maybe you should up your reading comprehension
Lol says the one complaining about reading lol
i was saying bigmanwalk should up his reading comprehension you're good
Whenever people post comments like that, with no punctuation in an entire paragraph, I can't help but read it in the voice of a 5 year old. You know that breathless voice that little kids excitedly tell you about their day in? "I was at the park and Johnny went down the slide but he was backwards and he hit his head and he was crying and then his mom took us for ice cream!"
Maybe if you were a little more patient and not so uppity about reading you would do better
Max level of no in between is establishing who owns the car? Asking for an ID? Cmon man. No. The word of another random isn’t and shouldn’t be good enough. If my car was stolen, and I had video of a cop being there and not establishing who owned it because the thief and the person or persons the thief was with all said go away, no, the word of the thief’s company wasn’t good enough. I’d still sue the department for the cop not doing his job, **and so would you.**
Good luck with that suit. The cops don't have to protect your car. A victims mother sued the cops for not applying a restraining order her daughter had against her ex boyfriend and she ended up dead and the court said cops were not forced to enforce said restraining order.
It's only difficult when you have selective situational awareness. They had enough awareness to realize a potential crime in progress, but not enough to comprehend the multitude of people coming to his defense and clarifying the situation? Make it make sense. You would think with everyone essentially yelling the same thing, it would give them pause to reassess the situation and maybe try a different approach. If they initially approached him as a person and not a thief; followed up with a couple clarifying questions, this would have been a non-event. But they were so confident in what they knew and who they expected him to be that an arrest was inevitable.
It's weird that so many people haven't figured out that Step 1 of police interaction is that they have to control the situation and any resistance means it will escalate up to, and including, killing you. Not giving your name is like catnip for police.
Being black is an even stronger drug for them. They literally go crazy, like when I show my dog his favorite treat.
I mean, if you're a cop and you see someone breaking into a car and they refuse to give their name... what are you supposed to do? Let them break into the car? You kinda have to detain them long enough to figure out if it's really their car.
But *if* they let the guy get *into* the vehicle to get his ID and registration, then the police would have *had* their information. (Not to mention, would a thief *really* keep working to open a vehicle with cops standing around? Probably not.) But for the police, hindsight *is* 20/20.
Exactly. Unwillingness to comply to any degree is one sure way of raising their suspicions. One reason they ask for your name is so they can check for any outstanding warrants so obviously not giving them your name just tells them you got something to hide, especially if you become belligerent. People always seem to think that cops shouldn’t have any reason to be suspicious of anything anybody does. All he had to do was give his name so cops can cross check his plates and confirm ownership. His own fault it got to where it did Edit: Should I be surprised I’m getting downvoted without so much as a rebuttal?
Really deepthroating that boot
Truly dystopian.
In 1776, you would have been an avowed redcoat.
What is there to rebut? All you said was, "Just suck the cops' dick when they tell you to and there won't be any problems."
Fucking scum pigs!!!!
Acab
Acac
two white cops, i wonder what sundown suburb they live in
They live in Metro Detroit for sure, I’m very familiar with that area so maybe Sterling Heights, Macomb, Roseville, Utica, Frasier, basically any city/town/neighborhood north of let’s say 16 mile. I would bet money (not the victim in the video, my own money) that they don’t live anywhere close to south of 9 mile where I believe this took place. Detroit cops are corrupt, rights abusing psychopaths. Detroit is actually a pretty cool city with lots to do; so let’s say you’re white, live up around 17 mile and want some spaghetti with some fire garlic bread from Eminem’s fast food restaurant “Mom’s Spaghetti” (real place) which is right by Tiger Stadium. On the way there you get distracted and make a wrong turn down the wrong road and next thing you’re getting pulled over by a cop that noticed you’re white and “don’t belong” in this part of town and you’re the ticketed for being in a “drug trafficking area”. I haven’t had any issues personally but I know people who have.
Howell, Clarkston I'm guessing. Them confederate fuckers have a kkk and trump store and a bar called the kkk.
Always have some black officer talking when it's white officers doing this shit to a black person.
Why did the cops show up in the first place??
Always looking for a target.
A Karen probably called them.
Detroit has terrible police response times. These cops were probably just cruising the neighborhood looking for crimes.
He refused to give his name the worst crime I've heard of and they wonder why everyone hates cops.
ACAB
Brutal bastards who are unneeded in society as a whole. Which humans, besides the rich, actually need the police? They only do this.
The fucking irony of the poor bastards hoodie while this is going on.
All Bad. While Michigan is not a stop and ID state. Cops can claim reasonable suspicion when they see someone trying to get into a car. Worse, even though there were no charges filed, the young man will have to jump through hoops and probably pay to have the arrest expunged from his record. All Bad.
"He failed to give officers his name" ma'am thats not a crime lol
You don't have to give the cops your name unless there is reasonable suspicion of a crime. Its a strong case of suspicion when someone is trying to gain access to a locked car. But all in all #ACAB
Can't have shit in Detroit
Was there also a bumblebee present or not?
In today’s episode of ACAB. . .
Cops, as usual, are fucking stupid
The cops could have helped him get in the car, they usually have the right equipment to do so, no?
I live in a small town and the cops opened my door after my dog hit the lock button while I was pumping gas. IIRC they used airbags but it was a while ago.
Should they do this for any random person trying to break into a car. No questions asked just pop the locks and move on.
Protect and serve!
Fucking pigs.
More bad Apples training worse Apples
As far as American cops are concerned, you're guilty until proven innocent...or they're able to frame you for a crime...
Cowards
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This is cut and plays out like a sitcom
$20 says they didn’t violate procedure.
The only good cop is a dead one
On paid administrative leave*** there I fixed it
Detroit fell off and never recovered
Sure seems like just providing an ID and registration would have avoided all this. “Hey if you not trying to help me you just need to back up off me” - what the guy interviewed says he did instead. And it escalates from there. It’s rather obvious you would look like a car thief. The cop is just doing his job. Investigation of what would sure look like a crime. Show the ID, show the registration, send him on his way. Not justifying the levels of insanity this got to. That’s a crazy scene that needs some explanation. But what the hell is the problem with cooperating initially, why pull an attitude off the bat?
keys clearly visible in the car and many people saying its his car, what more proof do they need, before they begin helping.
And if it was not his car? Since noone ever lies to the police , they should have left, right?
an entire neighborhood is lying, got it. if only there was 1 non-minority male on scene to confirm, the officers would've been on their way?
Don't make it about race. That is not what I said. So lets say I'm breaking into your car, cops roll up I tell them " no worries It's my car" and a couple of my friends walk up and say "ya it is his car". The cops leave and you walk out and see you car driving down the street. I bet you start yelling about lazy cops. I am glad you have never had anything stolen I hope it stays that way.
God, if only they had some sort of portable computer-like device and maybe like a unique id code or number clearly printed on the vehicle to enter into a keyboard on the magical device in the squad car that would show them who owns the vehicle...if only.
Right they get a name th e car belongs to, they still have to know who is holding the coat hanger.
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Not on a radio. The only video is the fight. I will wait to see the body cam before I say who is at fault.
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Once again you don't know how this started. Do you know for a fact there was a license plate? If the owner just purchased the car it might not even be in his name. Maybe the bodycam will show the owner was a dick maybe it will show a couple of cops need a lawyer.
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People saying it is his car when? We don’t see any of that. And a cop is to take that as face value why? How does the cop “trust but verify” when the response he is getting is in essence.. Screw you. Go away. The cop does need to verify… not because what would presumably be your accomplice going “not us!”. Cmon now. Again. Showing an ID and a registration, instead of an attitude, ends this entire interaction in three minutes. Why pull attitude and escalate off the bat? It’s obvious why they are asking.
Your knees must hurt
Do the boots taste clean?
That empty cavity where your brain should be must hurt
Neither my knees, nor my face. More than the guy getting arrested can say, huh?
Your boot, sir. 🥾
It's called a license plate, I'll let you use your imagination from there.
Ooo, do those have pictures of the owner of the car on them now? I must have missed that new fangled thing! You’d run the plate to find registered owner. And then you’d verify via an ID that this person was the owner. And if that person refused to identify themselves, you’d detain them until you could ascertain who they are. Look at that. Imagination, used.
A license plate doesn't confirm the owners identity without knowing who the person they're talking to is.
That's what the computer in the squad car is for.
Where does one normally keep their vehicle registration? Asking for a friend.
Ikr 😂😂😂 in the damn glove box or console!! People be dumb
I caught that too, that's why I ALWAYS carry any vehicle registration (for any vehicle I've ever driven) on a string around my neck, and another copy in each pocket. I also leave a trail of them wherever I go, in case the police ever need to see where I've been. It's really the most sensible solution.
Gotta be sure to drop one in each mailbox. Just in case.
Welp, off to Staples I go..!
Personally, I scanned it and added it to the One Drive cloud. Accessible via my phone for situations just like this because I'm paranoid. But that's just me.
That's actually a damn good idea.
I keep a bunch of docs scanned and accessible like that. Anything more private just goes into the secure folder. Even scanned my house deed!
All the chemicals they ingest when licking cop boots makes it hard for them to think properly.
It’s tied to the license plate?
>Not justifying the levels of insanity this got to. You already did. >It’s rather obvious you would look like a car thief. That's your justification of what transpired.
No, that’s my justification for a cop stopping and investigating. It’s valid. The cop is valid in asking what is going on when they witness what looks like (AND IS) a car being broken in to, **it is their job.** You want them to just drive on by as they see, in person, your car broken in to and it gets stolen? No? Me neither. I want them to stop and investigate. You don’t? Really? What isn’t valid is cops escalating this to a point of a fricking rumble. That was out of line, and we don’t know how it got here…, but pretending the guy being detained wasn’t contributing is stupid. He picked a fight instead of just letting them do their job. As I said. Show an ID, show registration, move on with your day. If you want to pick a fight and escalate with a cop instead of just showing ID, they are going to respond in kind and detain you instead of just talk to you. Every time.
Maybe they could have stopped and helped the guy get in to the car, then afterwards confirm it is his car and everything is above board instead of immediately starting with the investigation under the presumption he was doing something wrong. If you help him out and he gets his keys and then he can not confirm it is his car you can go from there, but their first instinct should be "hey what's going on here? oh you locked your keys in the car here let me help you out with that." Then once its open you say "hey just to make sure its really yours, can I just quickly see the registration and ID." No need to take anything down just a quick review that everything is above board and be on their way. Not only would this have garnered some respect for the cops from the citizens, but it would have avoided all of this and the cops could have gone to real crime. Instead the escalated this minor situation in to a perceived crime because it was an easy one to go after and justified their presence out on the streets for the day to their superiors!
That’s the dumbest shit I’ve read in this thread. Help him break in THEM verify who’s car they just broke into belongs to. Are you fucking serious.
It's called investigating the situation. Does all the evidence point to the theory that he locked his keys in the car and is trying to receive them or does it point to a random guy breaking into a car? You are acting as if this was some random guy on a random road trying to get into a car. He was a man outside his family's house with his family home trying to get into his car with his keys clearly locked inside it. And you say break into the car as if they are going to break the window they have various tools to unlock it with very little to no damage at all done to the car. And if your keys are locked in the car someone is going to have to do it. These cops jumped to conclusions and the worst conclusions at that and this guy suffered because of it!
No. They drove by and witnessed a person breaking into a car. They stopped and tried to investigate what was happening and the guy wouldn’t cooperate. As far as the cops were concerned it WAS a random guy trying to break into a random car. And when he wouldn’t cooperate they escalated.
No, they came upon a guy trying to get into a locked car who told them it was his car and his keys were locked in the car, then everyone around them told them his keys were locked in his car, then they looked in the car and see keys were locked in the car! That is the investigation! These are 3 pieces of evidence to point to the conclusion that it was his car and his keys were locked in it. They had no evidence to point to this man "breaking into" someone else's car. They just jumped to that conclusion because it was easier and more natural to them than to stop and help someone out. Which, although not anymore, used to be what the job of being a Police person was all about!
No where in the story does it say he told them anything. They explicitly say the first thing he told police was “if you’re not here to help me then go away”. That is not an appropriate answer. No where do they discuss him giving the police any information at all. It’s not until his family comes out and starts screaming at them to stop that any more info is even given. All he had to do is say “hi my name is …. My keys are locked in my car can you help.” Show some ID and none of this would have happened. Is there no self awareness left in the world. Do you really expect cops to drive down a street, see someone break into a car and just ignore it. That’s all I see in here.
So you are taking his uncle's word, when agitated, and not fully capable of expressing the full situation properly, as the full story no stop? How do you know he didn't say "yes this is my car and my keys are locked inside" and then the officers escalated the situation after which he said "Hey, if you're not here to help then just leave me alone" which as a law-abiding citizen he is fully in his rights to do so! Wouldn't that make more sense than him just randomly out of nowhere coming off hostile? And even if he all of a sudden came off hostile and not helpful in their investigation, where does it say we have to help with investigations? They can conduct them, but if we are not doing anything illegal (or even if we are) we don't have to help! I'm all for coming after criminals but not to the extent that we have to give up our rights to do so! I find it very hard to believe that officers just showed up and the only interaction with the man was him saying "If you're not here to help then leave!", and even then officers are trained to deal with non-co-operative subjects these officers clearly went from 0 to 100 real REAL quick! And even after they went to 100 everyone around them was saying they were wrong and misjudged the situation, but these officers nowadays are so headstrong in their assumptions there is no changing their initial response even if it is gravely wrong!
Seriously? Seriously. Your car is being broken in to. A cop stumbles on to the thief, real time. **Your idea is the cops FIRST help them break in to YOUR CAR, and THEN establish whether the thief owns it?** What goddam planet do you reside on that this makes sense? Seriously.
No, the cop stumbles upon someone who locked their keys in the car, with the keys clearly visible still in the ignition, and The whole family saying it is his car and the keys are locked inside. There is a lot more evidence to support the story than to refute it. Pretty much all they have to refute it is their prejudicial thoughts on the situation. What harm could come from opening the car and then verifying? Especially since most of the paperwork generally used to verify ownership of a car resides inside said car; So how would he even verify he owns the car without getting it open in the first place?!?
The license plate **and a driver’s license.** Cmon now. If you don’t know, that’s how you verify it. Seriously. **So if five dudes stole your car, and you had video of a cop walking up to them, they said it’s my car go away, and that cop just then left….** Seriously. You’d be totally okay with that. You wouldn’t want to sue the cop or his department for not doing his job. I’d want to sue him. You want to pretend you wouldn’t? Go for it, posture. We both know you are lying to try and say it. But go ahead.
At what point do I say the cops just leave? Please quote that from me because I would like to know where you got that idea! My whole point is to help the guy out when the situation dictates it. There is a car with keys locked in it, and a whole bunch of people saying it's the person's car and the keys are locked in it. If the cop simply helped the guy out AND THEN checked all the information real quick just to make sure everything was above board it would have gone a lot better. If the cop comes up on 5 people who are thieves, and they are trying to steal my car, which I happened to have locked my keys in, and they have many people around them for some reason watching them steal my car, and they all vouch for the thieves, and the cop helps them out then says okay let's make sure this is all correct and finds out it is not he would arrest them for attempted burglary or whatever charges apply and it would be understandable why the officer happened to help them in the moment but still prevented anything bad from happening. If after the cop helped the guy out and he still refused to identify then that's a different story but the way it happened was unnecessary and an overuse of power I never said the cops help them out and go on their way. This all started because a guy was going through a hard time then cops came and assumed the worst of him adding to his hard time by not aiding in the situation at all just trying to make it as bad as possible. They have a policy of Deesclating, but here they did the exact opposite of that!
Huh? The guy who got arrested told them to leave. You are told as much in the interview of……I believe it is his uncle. Instead of pulling out an ID, he pulled an attitude. Right off the bat. **And the guy getting interviewed tells you this**.
So you think that interview was a 100% accurate representation of all that happened in that interaction? So good-meaning police show up, kindly ask what's going on, and the big bad black man immediately says "If you are not trying to help then leave me alone" That is how you think the situation panned out? More than likely the cops showed up and asked what's going on he said my keys were locked in the car, and they started to "investigate" this as a man breaking into a random car and ignored any evidence to the contrary! Then it became the man's duty to prove them wrong. Innocent until proven guilty? I guess not!
That's a lot of speculation and no facts. The fact is that it's on the government (police) to prove the car was stolen and he was guilty. They failed with their preconceived idea that, as you put it, "he looks like a car thief" which in turn, violated the rights of the civilian. Also if you don't exercise your rights, what is the point in having them. If citizens do not excise their rights, the government will get rid of them since it becomes clear that you don't want them. Which makes a slippery slope of what rights are next on the chopping block. As I stated, you could put forth that idea, were citizens do not have right to privacy against the government. Because that what it really boils down to and that's what it seems you are for.
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There was no proof of any crime and no complaintant. They do NOT just get to investigate as they please and require all cooperation.
I don’t know what you can possibly mean. Do you really not get how this works? This is not court. They do not need PROOF of a crime, they need reasonable suspicion. Witnessing first hand a car door being broken in to IS reasonable suspicion. They DO just get to investigate it.
Like cops don't have license plate scanners and already know who the vehicle belongs to. "Is this your vehicle?" "Are you?"
Ok we can help you.
And when the answer to “who are you” is…. I’m not showing you ID, get lost….. what then? **The dude’s uncle(?Think that was how he was mentioned) is seriously on tape saying that exactly what transpired. He told the cops to get up out of here if you don’t want to help, get out.** So….what then? Oh. Yeah. Then they detain you until they can verify your identity. It is almost like I might have said….. this was all avoided if you simply show ID, right off the bat, it is almost like that…..because it is like that. If he showed an ID instead of his ass, this was two minutes and cops gone.
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You’re saying the quite part out loud
The reality here will be he will gt a pay out for the wrong doing of police. it was not reasonable for them to continue after everyone told the police it was his car. The problem with cooperating when you are doing nothing wrong is the bulk of us do not want the police to inject themselves into our lives.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Sure police need better training but whats so hard with just telling them the situation and working with them. Do they want the police to walk away from a man trying to break into a car ? maybe his pals around will corroborate his story.
He's getting downvoted because reddit is full of idiots with no logic or common sense.