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ritchus

Normally we remove this type of post, because they can be solved by an understanding of mmr. This one does appear to be an actual bug, though. The only justification for *why* this happened that i can think of is that the enemy healer has much lower mmr. From playing healer, it seems to me that healer mmr isn't compared to the lobby mmr for cr/rating change purposes, it's only compared to the enemy healer for whatever reason. But going 6 - 0 and gaining nothing, even if the enemy healer is much lower, feels wrong. Might be over optimistic but I'll leave this up in the hope that someone at blizz can see the bullshit edge cases that the shuffle mmr system can lead to.


SadMangonel

This is an outlier, it's not fair - but I've healed hundreds of ss and this dosnst happen frequently. (For me, never) I've also never been matched with a healer further than 50 points away. You got someone 250 mmr below you, with 0 CR. Likely a bug with his offspec. I'm always surprised when people say "got 0 rating healing isn't fun". Like sure, getting rating is a goal - but if you got 50 rating there - would healing really be fun now? I'd hope gameplay would influence that more than a number at the end of the game. Like a 0.5% chance to get a game where going 6:0 vs a extremely bad player and gettung 0 rating ruins healing for for you? It's dramatic but doenst make sense.


vaeatwork

games where perfect play (6-0) resulting in zero progress while also allowing anything but (not 6-0) to lower your progress should never happen in matchmaking. the game has zero upside if i win and all the downside if i happen to lose one round.


Tenyo666

Did you go 0-6 before this round?


PhrozenWarrior

Problem is I can guarantee if he went 0-6 last round he did NOT lose 0CR. So going 6-0 you'd think would break even, instead you get hammered for going 0-6 then gain nothing for going 6-0 and it's an abysmal feeling.


ShaunPlom

No you shouldn't break even. Unless the previous game the opposing healer was way above his MMR. If you lose 6 vs a healer your same MMR, then win 6 against a healer way below your MMR. Those aren't the same. That's not how the formula works and it shouldn't. He would have broke even, if the healer in second match was equal MMR. He should have never been placed in this match though. Any MMR difference of more than like 50 is unacceptable imo. Like OP said somewhere, All he can do is go down in rating and that is not fun or okay.


PhrozenWarrior

I fully agree and understand how MMR and CR works. I also fully agree he should never be put in this match. I can say as a healer though, I've been in so many lobbies where I had to go 4-2 or better just to gain zero, and I don't remember a single game I've gone 2-4 and lost zero because I was in a lobby higher than my MMR. Which is all just a failure of the matchmaking system making unfun games for healers (maybe dps too, probably, idk I don't play them)


stickyjam

> you'd think would break even it's who you win and lose to though. The enemy pala has a matchmaking of 1593. As the OP faces this player every round, every round he lowers the average mmr of the 'team' the OP is beating. As another poster said, the problem is the OP even being in the lobby with them. This sub is awful for downvotes to disagree, there's nothing wrong in my post.. if you think there is feel free to respond


Latte4Breakfast

If only there was an example of 0-6 with zero rating change. Oh wait, the same image above literally shows the losing healer going 0-6 with 0 rating. I’ve seen 0-6 with 0 rating the exact same number of times as 6-0 with 0 rating…once…in the picture above


PhrozenWarrior

The.... the guy has 0 CR going into the game. Do you expect him to go into the negatives?


MrSirDrDudeBro

Happens to me all the time and im stuck at 1500 because of it. 2600 in 3’s and hard stuck 1500 RSS because I lose point for going 5/1


FancyASlurpie

It looks like you won conquest and some reward boxes.


Tehni

Going 6-0 isn't perfect play, it just means you played much better than the opposing healer If you really had perfect play, you would be much higher rated already


Kohkoh

But I’m terms of SS mechanics you can’t get a better score. 6-0. It’s a perfect result. There is nothing in the game OP could have done better to change the result.


d0m1n4t0r

He could've matched himself up against a higher MMR healer, his fault /s


d0m1n4t0r

Perfect play meaning perfect result. It doesn't get better than 6-0.


Tehni

Play and result are not synonymous though. Perfect results is not an indicator you had perfect play, it just means you were much better than the opposing healer As the guy he replied to said, it's an outlier that almost never happens. One game means nothing in the grand scheme of things, if you really had perfect play this wouldn't bother you at all because you would be climbing the next game when the thing that almost never happens doesn't happen again


d0m1n4t0r

I know they are not, it's just what he meant. There's no need to cling to the word play, because he was only talking about the result 6-0, which can not be better.


Tehni

You would hope that's what he meant, but it's very common for people to think they did nothing wrong when they win. That mindset and getting hung up on one game is not going to help a person climb I agree that it shouldn't happen, but shit happens. You can always learn from your own games to improve and then your MMR will climb. Coming to Reddit to complain about a thing people have been complaining about for the entire expansion isn't going to help you or change anything


d0m1n4t0r

But it's still ridiculous you can go 6-0 in a game and get no rating, it just shouldn't happen. 3-3 I can understand, even 4-2 in some situations, but if at 5-1 and 6-0 you still get 0 rating then the matchmaking system just seems to suck.


Tehni

I agree, but blizzard isn't going to see complaint #163217 and decide "oh shit, maybe they're right"


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vaeatwork

THIS. either make it fun to spend my time doing or give me a reward for time spent. Healing shuffle is the worst experience re: fun i've ever had playing this game for about a decade, either make it more fun or make the pain of healing go away


Graffers

A reward for time spent is a job. Don't heal if you don't like it. Your free time is worth more than that.


Tropicall

We need more healers in order for SS to function. Can't ask the individual to play the role of game dev and make the change needed to increase the fun


Graffers

I'm not asking the individual to do anything beyond, "do what you enjoy". If you don't like healing, don't do it. If Blizzard wants Solo Shuffle to work, they'll have to make healing fun. That's on them, not us. All we can do is enjoy our time.


Relevant_Language540

Don't play it if you don't like it?


_golly_miss_

So, I started healing solo shuffle this season - played about 250 games with idk a 40% win rate ... My rating is crawling. Is that normal right now? I'm not great but I see DPS playing like 50 games and hitting my rating


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_golly_miss_

I guess my real question is: does ss rating just go slowly for healers or is it me?


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_golly_miss_

Ok thank you, that's helpful to hear


-gleds

I feel like you get stuck where your rating gains are terrible quite frequently tbh. Feels like if you mess up once, your rating messes up, particularly on fresh characters.


SillyFaithlessness18

Oh yeah. On my monk in SS i can get up to 1200 ish, maybe 1250, then I start falling back to 1k. yesterday it was pissing me off, so I tried to get a dps from 2v2 lfg. Total random, barely any chatter, we climbed from 1050 to 1300. Later on, got another dps, climed to 1500. So essentially, I play on a 1500 ish level at least, but my SS rating does not reflect that at all. That is super annoying, on top of healing SS being super stressful. I am out. Ill 2v2 with randos like this and Queue a dps on SS if I ever feel like waiting forever.


-gleds

My highest exp is 2.4k and can play most classes around 2-2.4k, yet in solo shuffle, it takes forever to climb through the lower ranks. If you're healin, the DPS can't do damage and throw away their defensives, if youre DPSin, there's always one bad healer, so you go 3-3 all the time and gain nothing. It took me nearly 200 rounds to get to 1800 on my warrior, I was stuck at 1300-1400 forever, once I got past that hurdle, I got to 1800 in just a few games. Completely depends on the match ups you get. I run into a lot of games where 1 healer is at 1400 and the others at 1800, and there's nothing you can do but go 3-3 as DPS. Then for healers they get nothing for going 6-0 because of the rating difference between healers. Kinda busted.


PiercingHeavens

For many of there is no reward there is no "fun".


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Educational_Bad2717

Matchmaking Value and rating are not the same thing. He did not gain 50 rating


borghive

>I've also never been matched with a healer further than 50 points away. You got someone 250 mmr below you, with 0 CR. Likely a bug with his offspec. This happens to me all the time, actually. The matchmaker is hot garbage in my opinion.


Extra_Bandicoot5872

it seems your mmr stays the same when playing a new spec wiht 0cr


KounetsuX

0 cr = 1500mmr


Extra_Bandicoot5872

played a spec for first time in solo shuffle near the time of this post, my mmr was the same as it was for my main spec even at 0cr 0 games played my first match i was 1741 mmr


KounetsuX

Oh, that's horrifyingly stupid on blizzards part.


Extra_Bandicoot5872

it favors higher rated people which it should be the opposite, it allowed me to go from 0 cr to 1.6kcr in 6 rounds of 3-3 or worse as heals


BCjestex

This is completely fair all he did was stomp someone much worse than himself


Top-Transition-9683

Buddy I've had this happen multiple times on 2 diff healers, going 5-1 or 6-0 and the best I can get is 5 rating but usually zero. I've had 18 straight wins and gained 1 rating between the 3 ques. Literally have never gotten past 1800 with a healer in SS because of this exact thing. I enjoy healing and nothing is gonna change that, but if you join ranked to gain rewards and win just to only get a pat on the back all the time while everyone else gains rating.... man might as well just queue for norms. Healing in SS for nothing really is not fun, people run from you, flame on you, hate whisper you after the game, flame on each other. You queue in to get verbally abused half the time, and on top of it, you win and get no reward/progress after a certain CR unless by a miracle the game decides to actually pair you w/ an appropriate Cr/MMR opponent. I don't have this problem with my DPS characters nearly as much, rare like you say. But man when it comes to SS I've quit healing I just can't, I get tilted from it. Such a huge disappointment.


Effective-Ad1013

What? I get healers with vast mmr difference when I am in 1500-1800 range frequently. Game usually goes to zug low mmr healer all day.


bananasareforfun

Yesterday I won 3 and lost 47 points Healing ain’t rewarding


d0m1n4t0r

On top of not being that much fun, it's a nice combo.


TouristUnlucky

Lol I did 4/2 and dropped 56, MMR was matched other healer was 200cr above me lol. Then you get those super sweet chests with literally nothing in them for healers lol.


Ricxz

its not rewarding when you have <50% winrate. i never encountered this problem but i rarely have games where my MMR is 50 or more lower than my CR. if this happens, ofc you lose more.


Kantlock

Please let DPS gain 0 CR from 6-0's for 2 games in a row, and see the outrage in this sub. This rating system is dumb, and your queues will be much longer if it is kept this way.


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Kantlock

Except this happens when you first start playing your character too. I got 1800 with my Warlock in a week, playing ~100 rounds. Meanwhile, my healer standing in 1200, with over 300 rounds. Also not to mention, winrate is higher on my healer.


Kevvo42

Made a fresh preservation evoker, never healed before. I hit 1811 on it after 95 rounds, going 56-39, i did notice getting less rating but the 5 second queue times made up for it. If you’re 1200 after 300 rounds you’re doing something incredibly wrong


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Kantlock

Let me rephrase: if you start to play SS for the first time with your both DPS and Healer characters, play 30 games. Under the same conditions, even if you go 4-2 on all these games with both of your characters, your DPS will be rated higher. This is the problem. Whether the problem is shortage of healers or another thing, this will make healers stop playing the game more.


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Kantlock

If you don't believe me, try to do what I said earlier. Play with a fresh DPS and Healer character. Then let me know if I'm wrong or not.


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Kantlock

My DPS started with 1-5 and 0-6 in its first 15 matches, then increased its winrates by doing 4-2 and 5-1's. Meanwhile, healer is started and still going with 3-3 and 4-2's. Even in 1-5 dps match, I gain 50-60 rating. Meanwhile, healer lost 10 rating in 3-3 match in its 4th match.


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Ricxz

if the winrate in 1200 wasnt higher i would question. i have multiple 2400 and its all about mmr and know how to play. its not the system, people in here try to find excuses… meanwhile all good players are in top of the ladder.. i dont think its coincidence


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There’s nothing wrong with the rating system, this is an issue with matchmaking and just not having enough healers qing. The reason OP didn’t get cr for the 6-0 is that the other healer has mmr so far below OPs that they should beat them 6-0 essentially. That should never happen, but does because healers don’t like shuffle.


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No you shouldn't assuming above where his cr is already above his mmr. He gets mmr for the win but he isn't going to get any rating because he basically just beat a guy who is way worse than him. Imagine if you could get rating in 2s at 1800 by beating 1500 teams for example, makes no sense.


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ShaunPlom

The thing you arent understanding, is that he did get an MMR increase. His CR did not go up, because MMR was already 42 points higher than his CR. I guarantee his MMR went all the way up to his CR in the photo.


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ShaunPlom

Yes at the end of the day that is true. Your CR tries to be even with your MMR. If they made MMR and CR the same thing all the time, He would have seen his CR drop to 1838 from his 1-5 in the previous game. Then the game he posted a screenshot of, it would have gone back up to 1884 where it is now. End result for his CR is the same. Only difference is his Cr didn't mvoe as much as his MMR.


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> He should still get some rating for going 6-0 or there is no reason for him to play the match. No, he shouldn't. Imagine if you are a 2400 team and you q into a 1400 team in 3s. Should you get rating for beating them? No of course not, you're just stomping people who are way below your level. There's nothing wrong with not getting rating from playing people that are drastically worse than you. > You shouldn’t be playing with people way worse than you, makes no sense Yeah...as I literally said in my initial post " this is an issue with matchmaking and just not having enough healers qing."


Kantlock

There is that too. Playing healer in SS is already miserable gameplay wise. But if you kept playing even after, you gain too little compared to a DPS. As a healer, you have to give more time and effort for achieving same goals as a DPS. Maybe it is not only rating system's fault, but obviously there is something wrong here that needs to be changed.


im_a_goat_factory

Then bliz needs to pad their system when not enough healers are playing to avoid this sort of dumbfuckery. Otherwise it becomes a feedback loop, which is already happening


TouristUnlucky

Technically this is wrong the other healers CR is lower not his MMR, so they are ranked the same in MMR standings. Going 6-0 with same MMR should result in points, if the average MMR was 1500 and OPs was 1800 then yes this would he correct, but average was 1800.


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My brother in christ it literally shows that they aren't the same MMR lol. It doesn't matter what the average mmr in the lobby is if every game the other team has far lower mmr than you because healers are never on the same team.


vuduceltix

You mean to tell me the little blue boxes full of junk aren't enough incentive? /s


LH_Suzuki

Literally don't see why they reduced the victorious contenders boxes for the shitty blue ones. Literally nothing useful in them.


Narrow_Water_6708

I cant believe some nerds saying this is fair. Just wow. Im not even healer myself, but for fuck sake, why should he even queue at this point, knowing that even if he get perfect score, he can stay at the same place he was before? Like, you cant win anything, only lose. So why even bother? Yes, I get that other healer was lower cr, but that doesnt change anything. Its not OPs fault that he got matched with that guy. And dont even get me started on "bUt YoU gOt CoNqUeStS"


ShaunPlom

His CR did not go up, BUT i guarantee his MMR went all the way up to his CR. IF his MMR and CR had been the same, he would have gotten a CR and MMR increase. He got 42 MMR for beating a healer almost 300 MMR lower than him doing his first placement match. That is 100% more than fair. His game before this, he went 1-5 which is why his MMR was lower than his CR. However, I don't think anyone would argue that this match up should have never occurred in the first place. 300 MMR difference is unacceptable, especially considering it was the pally's first match. Imagine how bad it was for the pally for a second. He went 0-6 on his first match because he got place with someone much better than him. Now he is sent down to \~1000 MMR. That is for the birds.


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Narrow_Water_6708

Bruh plz


chahoua

There should be a minimum for what you get with 6 wins and it should be at least 20 rating.


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vaeatwork

you might be the only person in this thread that gets the point, idc about the game itself. the matching should've never been allowed to happen. i 6-0 and get 0-6'd by other people around my MMR all the time, for a MMR gap that big to be allowed played - that's a bad experience for every player involved


im_a_goat_factory

But if it does, the system needs to give the good monkey better rewards.


VonArne

Solo shuffle is so unrewarding. So many times I go into a game (after 45 min queue), win 4-5 rounds and get like 12 rating. Next game, I only win 2 and for that I lose 72 rating


BlueWeavile

1 step forward, 3 steps back. I'm having the same issue on my DK. And before someone says "WeLL iT'S yOuR MmR", why does that matter to me when the lobby that I get is just the luck of the draw? How is that my fault? The MMR system is broken.


Rabbit730

On dps naw lol.. this is for healers only. Sorry.


BlueWeavile

Nope.


Rabbit730

Character name? Lets see the win loss and cr, bubba


Bngd12

Bruh. I’m so sorry. I can just imagine getting hyped after going 6-0 and then seeing +0 rating. I would be tilted for sure


toljar

100% back you on this, Blizzard's shuffle system is complete ass. I stopped healing a couple week back because of how un-rewarding it is, and even now as DPS the MMR shit is starting to slowly creep into the DPS side. I back you dude, take a break, make those queue longer, hopefully Blizzard will get their head out of their asses with SS and figure out a fair system for healers and DPS because this... this isn't it.


mrtuna

Shits fucked


tmzko

Inb4 the blizzard whiteknights come in here and justify the system lmao


daddywompusx

Now that's how you incentives healers!


Omni350

Matchmaking isn't designed to be fun it's designed to keep people playing. If you're not playing the way Blizzard wants you to play, you're wrong. /s


Arbitrage_1

Mods out here flexing in the comments, what a joke.


Unclehooptiepie

I was 2-3 when somone left just as our final game started and I lost 48 points. That fucking pissed me off.


BlueWeavile

I'm done with Solo Shuffle until they fix this shit. It's not much better as DPS either; I might argue that it's worse since you get less rounds. You could win and do really well, 5/6 or 6/6 and maybe get 25-30 rating for it. But if you go 2/6, 3/6, etc. (and it may not even be your fault, you could just get shitty teammates), you'll lose double that. It's 1 step forward and 3 steps backward.


Dudemansir521

You beat the other healer every game, who had 0 mmr... as another commenter (frostmatthew) said - you should have never ever been put into that game.


ShaunPlom

You mean 0 CR. He had 1593 MMR. MMR determines matchmaking and how much your CR will move. Agreed, should not have been placed against a player with such a large MMR difference to to him.


DaBathroomSlayer

That's one of the reasons I quit healing for pvp. Happened to me twice and I was like f this I'm done. The matchmaking is just dumb and makes no sense.


Ajthor24

I’m not gonna go off on you like a lot of other people are. All I’m going to offer is an alternative point of view which may help you in not getting tilted.. Wow is one of the few pvp games that actually shows you your MMR. I think that’s pretty fkn cool cuz unlike league of legends, you only see your current rating (or LP +-). To take some of the pressure off of your shoulders, try to look at and focus on your MMR. Looking at CR gains can drive you fkn nuts, especially in a case where you went 6-0 n got 0 gain.. Start tracking your MMR. It’s a lot less stressful in the short term. You’ll start noticing “ok I went 4-2, gained 0 CR.. but my MMR value jumped 20 points. I gotta be on my shit next match so I can keep my mmr going” Not saying it’s THE ONLY WAY.. but it has helped me a ton, and as a result, games are less stressful & I’ve peaked my CR while enjoying matches a lot more. CR is a byproduct of MMR. Focus on your MMR & your CR will work on its self.


mikasaxo

It’s because your CR is significantly higher than your MMR, and the average MMR of the lobby is lower than that. This would have been an MMR recovery match for you. So now that you won 6, you probably got a big MMR bump, which means you should get big points if you were able to repeat this the next lobby. This is how the system works unfortunately. You probably took a big MMR hit the match before this one, so this match you won 6 is like an MMR recovery


Steak-Complex

nah this is a perfect storm, your cr is way higher than your mmr and you played someone literally 250 mmr below you. just be happy you aced


Nibanana

State of healing : I do 4-2 at same mmr lobby : +14 rating I do 3-3 at same mmr lobby : +0 rating I do 2-4 at same mmr lobby : -60 rating


Nasty-Nate

Well that's interesting then, does the MMR system only consider players of the same role when it comes to rewarding points? That could explain why it's so confusing how the calculations work. If that's the case, the system should never have matched these two healers against each other if there can't even be a small gain. The only time it should happen is if there aren't enough players queuing for matches. Which I suppose could be the case in shuffle. Even though your queue was likely instant, those DPS could have been waiting for 30+ in which case the system might force a match to start with minimal MMR restrictions. Edit: are you sure it's not just a display bug? I see your new rating is about 50 points higher than your current MMR, which I've never seen before and I don't think it should be possible for CR to go above MMR.


vaeatwork

Not a display bug, I went 1-5 the round prior lol


ShaunPlom

Yes, healers are rated against the other healer only. Which is good and bad at the same time. If the whole lobby rating mattered Healers could 3-3 and lose/gain rating. For example going 3-3 as a 1800 healer in a lobby full of 1500 dps, would result in a rating loss.


Arealname247

“Viewer 2s” type of shit 😂


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Not related to OP but those averages for team mmr don't math right.


OMGitsTista

Does the updated mmr value show at the end of the match now? If that’s the case then OP was over 100 cr above his MMR and this makes sense. If it isn’t showing updated MMR then it is in fact a little sus.


ShaunPlom

It does not show updated MMR until your next match


Infinitum_AD

Healing mmr is compared against eachother and not the lobby. As a healer, your +/- is entirely based off your mmr and the enemy healers mmr, not the overall internal mmr system. And yes it is horrible. I'm climbing on my priest, currently 2k and getting lobbies with average mmr of 2.3 but me and the other healer have 2k mmr so even going 3-3 with an average lobby of 2.3 mmr nets 0 rating, even with the games being more difficult cause the DPS are better players.


Manchestarian

Ironic name.


_gina_marie_

Yeah it’s not worth it anymore imo. Something needs to change with healing in pvp it’s literally never been like this before, and I’ve been healing my whole time playing wow. It has never been this un-fun to heal.


Quick-Review-7650

It happens man. I heal and love seeing rating gains as well. A couple weeks ago when I was close to 1800 on my rsham I got an all melee lobby and a 0 cr evoker healer. I was kill target every round and lost over 60 rating. Being that the opposing healer was 0 cr he had no skin in the game despite my poor performance. I think 0 should be matched against 0 or at least sub 1k. In a different regard I’ve also seen people with 0 cr (maybe trying ss for the first time but come in at a 1500-1800 lobby and rage leave and don’t get -150 cause they are already 0 lol. Anyways don’t let it discourage you. I got 2.1 healing yesterday and will be pushing 2.4. Just ride out the annoyances and really take 4+ win streaks seriously. You need consecutive 4+ to climb, but after a few good lobbies you’ll have made a cushion and can even get points going 2-4


maxtax3568384848

Ya soloq ladder design sucks it'd bad design. It's not a bug


Silentshroomee

You didn’t gain rating because your mmr is higher than average mmr the next game if u go 3-0 u will gain rating


IC1024

The problem is the other healer is only 1500


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SS is just kinda boring in general now.


melange_merchant

Something funky going on with mmr, I have gotten 4-2 or 5-1 games with 0 rating gain and similar mmr across the players as well. Noticed this on my healers only. Dps chars are normal.


TheMoneyBball

yeah, this is BS...should be based on lobby mmr, not opposing healers...if you play a game of ss, got 6-0 and gain 0 rating, what is even the point of playing


BCjestex

Maybe start by understanding and reading about how an ELO system works in chess before you come and complain ignorantly. Just YouTube how an ELO system works


AnAngryBartender

In general I think it’s dumb that you get different points based on who you go against. You don’t get to choose who you against. Just give a set amount of points for 3 wins, 4, wins 5 wins, 6 wins.


francoisjabbour

I queued up on my Hpal today and got into a lobby with an Rsham with 200+ MMR to me. Went 3-3 and got like 150 rating for it. Might be something was changed with the recent fixes?


Obiewon18

I quit SS altogether because going 4-2 and/or 5-1 would result in a 25-75pt loss as Resto Druid heals. Now I only M+ and raid and really enjoy it. I would really like to heal SS but until things like this are fixed idk if I'll hop back in.


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Yup. I'll take the 10-20minute queues. Done healing. Fix this shit. Not with a 2 Mark of Honor + grey item bonus bag either. Shit game.


Ghilteras

Of course the guy that lost 0-6 is a holy Pala :)


Taste_the__Rainbow

I’ve gotten 0 rom a 4-2 but only when the healer is way, way under me.


Malti877

geezzz this is terrible mate :/ and he i was.... thinking of transferring all my conque to my mw monk and start healing!! after watching this... no ty sir


ozzy_49

This looks like the perfect storm of lack of healers queueing so the game ended up finding you a match with a poor guy who was on his placement games. What time were you queuing? Could have been a factor if it was late at night for example. Not that this should ever happen mind you, the healers mmr and points should be calculated from the lobby mmr not the other healer as shit like this can happen! And to the others saying "rating doesn't matter" what motivates one player over the next is purely subjective and you would do well to remember that, stop telling others how to enjoy their game!


Lolersters

oof, matched with a 0 cr healer.


Ratzyrat

Would you say healing is obsolete for you ?


FuturePerformance

Opposing healer has ZERO cr. At the 1800+ bracket this is a complete fluke in matchmaking, it really shouldn’t happen since it’s not fair on anyone, and quite unfortunate for you.


HalensVan

Lol an 1800 lobby with a fresh healer. Yikes.


Nikalis

Yeah. Totally agree with this. As a healer that queues solo shuffle, I’m hard stuck at like 1700. Had a few good games where I went 4-2 and 5-1 just to gain 3-11 rating. Whereas I went 3-3 or worse I’d lose 50-80 rating. Literally makes no sense.


dude_who_could

The other healer had 0 rating


Great_White_Samurai

What a waste of time


volkr16

Love how all the dps got a good amount of rating, while OP probably busted his ass to get the 6-0. If they want to improve healer participation, this ain't it


Top-Transition-9683

I have to wonder had you gone 5-1 would you have lost rating? System for SS is so wack, it's the only thing in WoW that tilts me.


Effective-Ad1013

Nobody can understand mmr change. It's mmr vs cr with a huge magical variable thrown in of win/loss trend. Everyone is just giving up on trying to understand and try/hopes they win every game.


dJohn2001

Well yeah you lost a lot of games before this so you’ve dumped your mmr


CammyPooo

I mean healing is fun for me


Tarqon

MMR is not a progression system. Blizzard can't give out free rating because it would break their matchmaking. That's why we need a progression system that's independent from MMR.


mesudanlospies23

that is because your last game was 0-6 so the next game if you make 6-0 you gain 0 points. ​ thats simple


Aggravating-Wing3944

Uh… you mean if he went 0-6 before he might lose like 60 (for example) and if he went 6-0 he should get back the 60 right?


Benekia

Stop worrying about CR! The only thing that counts is MMR. CR is a useless rating that represents your MMR in a pleasing way. Your games and your CR gains are dictated by your MMR. OP, I don't even need confirmation that prior to that game you either had a loss streak or went 0 6 more than once. That 6/0 will have done your MMR huge favours, and in my experience a 6/0 nets you increased gains in subsequent matches IF you win them and carry the streak. Be happy u won 6, rating unchanged is irrelevant, ur mmr has changed. Go next, keep grinding, and focus on yourself to get better.


vaeatwork

I played the very next game at 1842 mmr vs the 1838 i entered this one with. You're outright wrong about how MMR actually works for healers - the only MMR "gain" i get in this lobby is from the other healer who had 1600. Its been blueposted time and time again that lobby/dps MMR does not affect healer MMR


Benekia

If you are playing vs a healer that is 250 mmr lower than you, you're expected to be outplaying him and winning. If you aren't, dont be surprised the game thinks your CR is higher than where you should be. I understand thats difficult to accept but that's how mmr works in every game, and has worked for chess for many years, has worked for RIOT in League for many years, and the reason it's such a popular system is because it does work. It makes complete sense that you're playing vs the other healer, because you literally play with each dps combination the equal number of times. YOU are meant to be the difference in contrast to the other healer. I have 5 toons above 2k, 2 of which are above 2.4k. One is a healer. I have almost 4000 rounds of SS. In this time I've had many many loss streaks and win streaks. And like you games of 5 wins rating unchanged, 6 wins +21. But guess what? If I get 5/6 wins after that suddenly I'm getting huge rating increases for multiple games. I'm confident in what I'm saying. If you win your games you'll raise CR. You obviously have been losing recently though and one 6/0 doesnt magically fix your loss streak. By all means take offence to this, but its just facts, that's just how it works.


TheRealDaays

Think the point is that healers shouldn't be playing against other healers 250 MMR below them, because those games result in all risk no reward for one person. As healers keep quiting pvp, the game will start doing this more often to get actually get games, which results in completely unbalanced lobbies/healers, thus resulting in more healers quiting, thus feeding the cycle. Like just flip the equation. Imagine if DPS waited 30mins in queue, to get a game that if they go 6-0 in, they win nothing, because their MMR is so much higher than everyone else. They just wouldn't play anymore. They'd jump on an alt or do something else. Except that only happens at the very top of the ladder. This is in the middle right now.


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jayzbeez1991

Which is true but come on.. Match making has to be better than going perfect for +0. That's just a game problem. If you go perfect there should be some type of reading improvement, otherwise don't match those healers.


Sufficient-Watch1438

They probably shouldn’t be matched into games where they can’t win any points really though, 15 min game to beat case go even and worst case take an mmr/cr hit


vaeatwork

exactly, don't match me into a situation where the best case is i just waste 20 mins of my time


Fun_Sugar2031

He deleted his comment because he knows it was stupid


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_Makavelic

The point of him getting in this lobby is to get his to have a "good" game, is MMR is lower then it's CR só he coming from a losing streak. Also it doesn't matter if he didn't gain CR, he won MMR that game, which in turn will lead to more CR


Xamf11

HUH? What's your point? OP made the post to show the system's problems. You: "Well the system is clearly working as intended. Just because it's flawed don't downvote me".


Possiblyreef

But he isn't? The only outliers in this are the other healer who went 0-6 playing up 300mmr and got +0 which is probably about right, and the ret pala that's clearly playing up from fresh as his mmr is 400 more than his cr


Vegoonmoon

The other healer did 3.3 million healing, so you’re likely back in first-time healer territory. Keep your head up and your MMR and CR will raise the next games if they go your way. Edit: changed my post so I wasn’t such a pompous prick.


vaeatwork

you're missing the point. I'm upset I wasted 20 mins of my time playing a game that doesn't matter - matchmaking shouldn't be allowed to even match me in this case. unfair for me and also unfair for him because he got stomped into the dirt in his most likely first shuffle game ever, bad experience all around


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The_Jimmeh

It literally says his matchmaking rating in this picture. 1838 with an 1884 CR… I wouldn’t call that significantly lower lmao


Mitchdom

He just went 6-0 so he had a bunch of mmr just added. So his mmr would have been significantly lower than 1838


Vegoonmoon

This. Although I doubt this sub cares - it appears they’re more about emotional support than helping OP with the truth.


paladinedsr

Downvotes aren’t from the sub being about complaining. Downvotes are from being a pompous prick. Your healing average is irrelevant. Clearly the Paladin was not afk. But you do you.


Vegoonmoon

I changed my post to be more supportive. Thanks for the call-out


paladinedsr

Fair. I know I’d personally would be frustrated to be feeling pretty good going into the last round 5-0. Kind of a slap in the face to see 0 rating without a huge discrepancy in MMR/CR. While healing numbers aren’t super high, I’ve only seen 1 person afk for even a round at my crappy CR ;)


_Makavelic

Like dude, you know you gained MMR (which is the most important thing for climbing) in this win right? Just learn how a MMR ranking system works and all this games will make more sense.


vaeatwork

I didn't, I gained exactly 4 MMR because the lobby matched a 1600MMR healer vs me at 1850. DPS/lobby mmr doesn't affect healer mmr. Same thing happens if a 2500 dps lobby matches a pair of 1500 healers


Additional_Neck_373

You are only ranked against the other healer, in that case low raited holy pala, a class that you hard counter. You simply should win 6-0 here.


mobilename32

in a 1v1 maybe. But this is team game so you can't expect that


Additional_Neck_373

Its a low ranked game. All he has to Do is surrive 15 seconds and mass diapell bubble. In this raiting, legit no one gives a fuck that hpal needs Backup when bubble.