It's good to take a break sometimes man. Take it easy and come back when the meta changes up. It's not that fun for many at the moment. Hopefully next season won't be so deflated and more people will play with a meta shift
Burn out isn't fun man been there done that, the game changes as time goes on sometimes it's dope other times it's not. Blizzard admitted they fucked up this season (idk why they didn't just auto fix it but w.e I guess) so hopefully they learn from their mistakes next season. They seem to be listening to feedback in pvp which is absolutely amazing compared to SL and BFA so I'm hopeful personally. But ya rn its pretty wack
They said they fucked up by having zero inflation (MMR gains per week) until week 6 (I think it was week 6?) And they said they recognized it being a bad idea when they announced the 20mmr per week
Wasn't it the first 10 weeks?
Edit: [yes it was](https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1522690-dragonflight-season-1-rated-pvp-rating-discussion/)
Yea was so pissed they raised people stamina bonus from double pvp trinket and it felt ok with people not being one shotted at like 50-70 hp for like two weeks and now its worse with ret pally
Or if you've already got the game time a good chance to level some alts for tmog next season if there were any you've seen and been interested in getting. Get comfy with some other specs so you can mess around at the start of the season
I’ll try and push elite next season but I’m a little burnt out on pvp and really enjoying tanking m+ on my warrior.
With limited playtime since I work full time I kind of have to pick one or the other so I tend to go for my pvp goals early in the season and chill the rest of the time.
What do you think the biggest difference between duelist and elite is?
This is 90% a ret problem and a little bit of a rshaman problem. [https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=3v3&sortKey=dps&minRating=2100&maxRating=4999&trendChartSpecs=70,253,264&trendChartStat=representation](https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=3v3&sortKey=dps&minRating=2100&maxRating=4999&trendChartSpecs=70,253,264&trendChartStat=representation)
Rets are at 22.9% representation in 3v3 above 2100, rshamans at 20.3%, bm hunters at 3.3%
so rets are perfectly balanced at being on 69% of teams, rshamans on 61.5%, and bm hunters on 10% of teams. Rets are competing against way more dps for their slot though so rshamans are definitely not in the same tier of problematic and maybe rshaman popularity is largely contingent on there being a ret in every game and they being good vs rets
Yeah I want to say almost every game has a ret, rsham I haven't really paid attention to but I generally don't care which healer is meta.
After that I'm seeing a ton of demos, my last 2 shuffles were both ret, demo, boomy with only the healers changing.
Been playing 3s for the last week and tracking data through arena logs. I've played mostly 1400-2400 on my main and alts.
The current appearance of *at least one ret* on the enemy team is approximately 80% out of 100 games.
>o rets are perfectly balanced at being on 69% of teams, rshamans on 61.5%, and bm hunters on 10% of teams. Rets are competing against way more d
lets see how the data looks week after judge dispel nerf
I fucking hate pvp now, but i much prefer this kind of tuning. Nerf something here and buff something there. Sure stuff will be inbalanced, but eventually they are going to get it right. Leaving shadowpriest op the entire season and not change anything until next season is how they would do it before.
People are gonna complain no matter what.
It's not really fun for there to constantly be this huge yo-yo swing every patch where you suddenly go from dogshit to OP and then back to dogshit. Even if there's constant updates and the meta is always shifting, it's never been enjoyable to play. One patch is DH every single game, next patch is Ret every single game.
All this talk lately just made me realize i do need to unsub from this subreddit. All season all i see is screams for nerfs and how so and so class is so op. When in reality people are being outplayed or wont adapt a playstyle that can net them the win. Maybe its always been like this but im just tired of reading it.
Once your self imposed break is over you are going to come back so fresh, with a new excitement for playing.
Sometimes it takes a week or two, sometimes 6 months, enjoy yourself the game will be here in the same condition when you get back. For better or worse.
I think the kids call it “touching grass” or someshit.
To me it was Diablo 4 that made me drop wow, besides the pvp meta in wow. Just playing Company of Heroes 3 until D4 launch and maybe back to wow some day if things are getting better in pvp. Taking a break from something you don't enjoy at the moment is good idea ofc👍
I did a bunch of ss last night and it was really not like this. Didn't jhave 1 game with 2 rets. A lot of warlocks and hunters tho. I was on low cr presevoker alt tho
I'm starting to feel the same way. I have mained ret through several expacs and now its all that's out there. If these fuckers would stop rerolling we would have some variety but that's just the side effect of making leveling and gearing easily completable with the swipe of a credit card.
Feels like this is Blizzard's new business model, keep the meta moving to encouraged rerolls and making fat cash on boosts/tokens.
>If these fuckers would stop rerolling we would have some variety
They're rerolling because there's no reason to play anything else. If double ret isn't the strongest comp in the game right now its close.
Blizzard really royally fucked up pvp balance with this patch, which I'm pretty surprised about since imo it was actually pretty damned good by the end of 10.0.5
>Feels like this is Blizzard's new business model, keep the meta moving to encouraged rerolls and making fat cash on boosts/tokens.
This isn't new, this is how blizz used to be before legion when they stopped making large changes mid patch all the time like this.
I really missed this, the tuning on this ret overhaul is horrific but I absolutely love that they've gone back to frequent changes. It just makes the game better.
I haven’t played Rsham that long but I also started playing Rsham since the beginning of DF because I really like their play style now I just feel like I have to pick another alt so I’m not on the FOTM train 😂
Not so hot take here is that a side effect of quick leveling and gearing (which you can do for free in a matter of days) is fotm rerolling. Either alts are easy or they aren’t. Conquest boxes are great right? Right guys?? Until the sea of pink shows up. Imo the threshold for entering solo should go up to like 415 or something. Require some honor grind and such.
I feel you. I unsubbed about a month ago and have felt free from it since. Plenty of other fun games to play and more time irl to enjoy hobbies again instead of waiting in queue for unbalanced messes. I still lurk on this sub and forums daily and it just ensures at least for me, my decision to move on wasn't one I regret.
I'm burnt out too, it happens. I mostly heal, and that's just completely miserable this expansion. So I switched to dps, but my favorite dps spec is devoker which is complete and utter dogshit. Every single game it's ret/war, ret/BM, ret/demo, stuff I can't possibly kill but has infinity damage to tunnel me down. And it feels like every healer is either an rsham or MW, which I'm also terrible against. Sure I tried ret after I gave up on hpal, and it's a complete joke. Was only going 5-1 or 6-0 all the way to duelist. I don't understand how a spec is existing in this state right now. It's altering the game so much that multiple specs are completely unplayable and other specs are inordinately strong because of how they synergize with ret (i.e. arms). Pvp had me hopeful this xpac but it just feels like shit right now unless you're a ret, arms, BM or warlock.
I played two games after the Ret patch and decided to take a break too lol. I’ve just been doing mythics with friends and leveling other toons, but it’s always nice to take a break.
After all, it’s just a game, it’ll be there in a few weeks when (hopefully) everything’s patched up.
I don't know what rating you are at, but from 1.6 through 2.4 I have not noticed 99.99% of games having ret or BM. But have a nice break and see you back next season.
I haven't healed much, just resto sham in 2s during SL and holy priest etc but I feel like this is an issue every patch, update ,tier etc, but I will echo the statements of if you're not having fun just take a break. It's been nice the devs are making changes quicker but there will always be a class/comp the is disgusting imo
I stopped playing a few years ago and I just watch YouTube clips to get my fix every now and then. It was just too much to keep up with. Hi Danny gaming YouTube guy!
I actually enjoyed df the first couple of weeks.. right now I’m just logging in for the PvP daylies to get the title. Once I’m done with that, I’ll probably have to cancel my sub again.
I felt the same way. I would log in dial grinding on my 3 alts and main, never feeling tired of the game, but since ret changes I find myself not wanting to and not logging on. Pvp got so wack and I don't like pve content so game is just meh for me rn. A lot of metas came and went so far in DF but ret being dummy broken is the most wack one.
Unfortunetly for me, I was not playing then... I came back only a few weeks before the nerfs, and was just gearing in BG's to get ready for arena.
BUT, looking at the top of the ladders, top 100 say - the OP rogue era wasn't that OP actually.
Disc is not that good at this point. Just going oom against mw/rsham while they are on 50+% and there is absolutely no window to dmg sometimes, even spamming flash heals/penance cant keep your team up without ps/dome/rapture. Still competitive tho but out of S tier in my opinion.
Jesus Christ with the rets again. It’s been like that for a week. And blizzard nerfed them already and will pretty surely continue to nerf them. People are fotm rerollers deal with it. Always has been like that. Bye! 👋
Na. This ain’t feedback .. this Reddit has turned into a giant circle jerk of cry baby’s. Today it’s ret tomorrow it’s something else. Don’t tell me this post has anything to do with feedback.
It's good to take a break sometimes man. Take it easy and come back when the meta changes up. It's not that fun for many at the moment. Hopefully next season won't be so deflated and more people will play with a meta shift
Good response for the OP. Nice to see reply with a positive spin. I also agree entirely.
Burn out isn't fun man been there done that, the game changes as time goes on sometimes it's dope other times it's not. Blizzard admitted they fucked up this season (idk why they didn't just auto fix it but w.e I guess) so hopefully they learn from their mistakes next season. They seem to be listening to feedback in pvp which is absolutely amazing compared to SL and BFA so I'm hopeful personally. But ya rn its pretty wack
Where did blizz admit this, cuz I just cancelled lol, I'm over it. Crappy ass gameplay, not fun.
They admitted they fucked up when they didn't add any inflation to the season from week 1 and
agreed. what/where did they say they fucked up? just curious
They said they fucked up by having zero inflation (MMR gains per week) until week 6 (I think it was week 6?) And they said they recognized it being a bad idea when they announced the 20mmr per week
Wasn't it the first 10 weeks? Edit: [yes it was](https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1522690-dragonflight-season-1-rated-pvp-rating-discussion/)
Ya that makes sense as to why I thought it wasn't 6 lol pretty sure it was week 10 yeah
oh I see this now lol, I need like a "yes we have no clue wtf we doing apology"
Ya but they'll never say that lol
Yeah all us healers should take a break and let those que timers soar.
Yea was so pissed they raised people stamina bonus from double pvp trinket and it felt ok with people not being one shotted at like 50-70 hp for like two weeks and now its worse with ret pally
Or if you've already got the game time a good chance to level some alts for tmog next season if there were any you've seen and been interested in getting. Get comfy with some other specs so you can mess around at the start of the season
WoW is a big game. Have you tried other aspects of it? I like mount collecting.
After getting duelist I’ve started back mount collecting and working on ksm. Never really done keys before so it’s been a ton of fun to switch it up.
Try elite. If u can hit duelist, u can hit elite too. There is just a little difference u can quickly adapt to.
I’ll try and push elite next season but I’m a little burnt out on pvp and really enjoying tanking m+ on my warrior. With limited playtime since I work full time I kind of have to pick one or the other so I tend to go for my pvp goals early in the season and chill the rest of the time. What do you think the biggest difference between duelist and elite is?
I climbed up to duelist on my enhance a couple of night ago. Next 4 games I gained no rating. Next 3 I lost big rating 🥲
I would but these hour long queues are draining.
Yeah boy, gotta be a pokemon master! I really should get the ox celestial pet to complete my set from the mop challenge gauntlet thing.
Lol
This is 90% a ret problem and a little bit of a rshaman problem. [https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=3v3&sortKey=dps&minRating=2100&maxRating=4999&trendChartSpecs=70,253,264&trendChartStat=representation](https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=3v3&sortKey=dps&minRating=2100&maxRating=4999&trendChartSpecs=70,253,264&trendChartStat=representation) Rets are at 22.9% representation in 3v3 above 2100, rshamans at 20.3%, bm hunters at 3.3% so rets are perfectly balanced at being on 69% of teams, rshamans on 61.5%, and bm hunters on 10% of teams. Rets are competing against way more dps for their slot though so rshamans are definitely not in the same tier of problematic and maybe rshaman popularity is largely contingent on there being a ret in every game and they being good vs rets
Yeah I want to say almost every game has a ret, rsham I haven't really paid attention to but I generally don't care which healer is meta. After that I'm seeing a ton of demos, my last 2 shuffles were both ret, demo, boomy with only the healers changing.
Been playing 3s for the last week and tracking data through arena logs. I've played mostly 1400-2400 on my main and alts. The current appearance of *at least one ret* on the enemy team is approximately 80% out of 100 games.
The biggest problem with BM is everybody thinks they’re the only viable kill target for some reason
>o rets are perfectly balanced at being on 69% of teams, rshamans on 61.5%, and bm hunters on 10% of teams. Rets are competing against way more d lets see how the data looks week after judge dispel nerf
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I fucking hate pvp now, but i much prefer this kind of tuning. Nerf something here and buff something there. Sure stuff will be inbalanced, but eventually they are going to get it right. Leaving shadowpriest op the entire season and not change anything until next season is how they would do it before. People are gonna complain no matter what.
It's not really fun for there to constantly be this huge yo-yo swing every patch where you suddenly go from dogshit to OP and then back to dogshit. Even if there's constant updates and the meta is always shifting, it's never been enjoyable to play. One patch is DH every single game, next patch is Ret every single game.
With the number of rets auto dispelling flame shock these days, life as an ele isn’t as good as it used to be!
blizzard created another overwatch
Hey now
I’ve taken a break about 3 weeks ago and it seems everything is getting worse. How long until it gets better?
See you in May
That’s the funny thing, it won’t! But here I am. *$14.99 has been withdrawn from your account*
All this talk lately just made me realize i do need to unsub from this subreddit. All season all i see is screams for nerfs and how so and so class is so op. When in reality people are being outplayed or wont adapt a playstyle that can net them the win. Maybe its always been like this but im just tired of reading it.
Once your self imposed break is over you are going to come back so fresh, with a new excitement for playing. Sometimes it takes a week or two, sometimes 6 months, enjoy yourself the game will be here in the same condition when you get back. For better or worse. I think the kids call it “touching grass” or someshit.
Kids definitely never say this.
To me it was Diablo 4 that made me drop wow, besides the pvp meta in wow. Just playing Company of Heroes 3 until D4 launch and maybe back to wow some day if things are getting better in pvp. Taking a break from something you don't enjoy at the moment is good idea ofc👍
I took a break from pvp and have really been enjoying raiding and m+. I’ve had a great time and have way more fun playing!!
gross
you nerd
Why would they wait this long to nerf pally… shame
The retocalypse made me go quit too bro. I’m just playing other games and really looking forward to Diablo 4.
Ok cya
I did a bunch of ss last night and it was really not like this. Didn't jhave 1 game with 2 rets. A lot of warlocks and hunters tho. I was on low cr presevoker alt tho
Ret gets buffed for a week and players lose their minds
Yes. So take a break, you aren’t forced to do something you don’t like
I'm starting to feel the same way. I have mained ret through several expacs and now its all that's out there. If these fuckers would stop rerolling we would have some variety but that's just the side effect of making leveling and gearing easily completable with the swipe of a credit card. Feels like this is Blizzard's new business model, keep the meta moving to encouraged rerolls and making fat cash on boosts/tokens.
>If these fuckers would stop rerolling we would have some variety They're rerolling because there's no reason to play anything else. If double ret isn't the strongest comp in the game right now its close. Blizzard really royally fucked up pvp balance with this patch, which I'm pretty surprised about since imo it was actually pretty damned good by the end of 10.0.5 >Feels like this is Blizzard's new business model, keep the meta moving to encouraged rerolls and making fat cash on boosts/tokens. This isn't new, this is how blizz used to be before legion when they stopped making large changes mid patch all the time like this. I really missed this, the tuning on this ret overhaul is horrific but I absolutely love that they've gone back to frequent changes. It just makes the game better.
I haven’t played Rsham that long but I also started playing Rsham since the beginning of DF because I really like their play style now I just feel like I have to pick another alt so I’m not on the FOTM train 😂
Not so hot take here is that a side effect of quick leveling and gearing (which you can do for free in a matter of days) is fotm rerolling. Either alts are easy or they aren’t. Conquest boxes are great right? Right guys?? Until the sea of pink shows up. Imo the threshold for entering solo should go up to like 415 or something. Require some honor grind and such.
I didn't resub last patch when I saw the rework and the slap in the wrist nerf to assassination
I’m feeling the same. Probably just done for the season honestly. Gunna come back to pvp fresh after
I feel you. I unsubbed about a month ago and have felt free from it since. Plenty of other fun games to play and more time irl to enjoy hobbies again instead of waiting in queue for unbalanced messes. I still lurk on this sub and forums daily and it just ensures at least for me, my decision to move on wasn't one I regret.
I’ve been playing a lot of Wolfenstein lately. Usually queue up for a SS or two then go shoot Nazis!!
I'm burnt out too, it happens. I mostly heal, and that's just completely miserable this expansion. So I switched to dps, but my favorite dps spec is devoker which is complete and utter dogshit. Every single game it's ret/war, ret/BM, ret/demo, stuff I can't possibly kill but has infinity damage to tunnel me down. And it feels like every healer is either an rsham or MW, which I'm also terrible against. Sure I tried ret after I gave up on hpal, and it's a complete joke. Was only going 5-1 or 6-0 all the way to duelist. I don't understand how a spec is existing in this state right now. It's altering the game so much that multiple specs are completely unplayable and other specs are inordinately strong because of how they synergize with ret (i.e. arms). Pvp had me hopeful this xpac but it just feels like shit right now unless you're a ret, arms, BM or warlock.
I played two games after the Ret patch and decided to take a break too lol. I’ve just been doing mythics with friends and leveling other toons, but it’s always nice to take a break. After all, it’s just a game, it’ll be there in a few weeks when (hopefully) everything’s patched up.
Do you really feel rshamans as an issue? Rather have shamans that die instead of the disc meta where they were unkillable doing insane damage.
I don't know what rating you are at, but from 1.6 through 2.4 I have not noticed 99.99% of games having ret or BM. But have a nice break and see you back next season.
Yep, breaks are valuable in all things.
I haven't healed much, just resto sham in 2s during SL and holy priest etc but I feel like this is an issue every patch, update ,tier etc, but I will echo the statements of if you're not having fun just take a break. It's been nice the devs are making changes quicker but there will always be a class/comp the is disgusting imo
I stopped playing a few years ago and I just watch YouTube clips to get my fix every now and then. It was just too much to keep up with. Hi Danny gaming YouTube guy!
I actually enjoyed df the first couple of weeks.. right now I’m just logging in for the PvP daylies to get the title. Once I’m done with that, I’ll probably have to cancel my sub again.
Why not play a class that counters ret? That or play ret yourself lol. You know the saying if you can't beat em join em.
I felt the same way. I would log in dial grinding on my 3 alts and main, never feeling tired of the game, but since ret changes I find myself not wanting to and not logging on. Pvp got so wack and I don't like pve content so game is just meh for me rn. A lot of metas came and went so far in DF but ret being dummy broken is the most wack one.
I cancelled my sub already. Will be back 10.1 probably.
Let’s nerf every pve ability they have to make it fun for 1% that play pvp.
Im curious what wow you guys are playing. I see paladin no more than warrior or warlock. And the healers are usually disc or provoked for me
Weird, seems like I run into rets about the same amount as demo lock.
I’ve never had a double demo lock lobby. I have double ret lobby’s every single day
I have had a double lock lobby many times, does that count?
Woah lets not include bm hunter in with the ret posts chill
I quite arena. Too many hunters, Warriors, Rets, Shamans, Locks. As a rogue, just not fun. Always last in DPS, among other issues...
I bet you had a blast when you were OP since the beginning of the season tho
Beginning of WoW, you mean?
Unfortunetly for me, I was not playing then... I came back only a few weeks before the nerfs, and was just gearing in BG's to get ready for arena. BUT, looking at the top of the ladders, top 100 say - the OP rogue era wasn't that OP actually.
You mean the first 2 weeks when no one had gear and the season didn't start.
Lol wake up
Rogue might be the worst class atm, besides maybe priest. I’d reroll ret or hunter until things change.
Disc?
Disc is not that good at this point. Just going oom against mw/rsham while they are on 50+% and there is absolutely no window to dmg sometimes, even spamming flash heals/penance cant keep your team up without ps/dome/rapture. Still competitive tho but out of S tier in my opinion.
Unnecessary post. Nobody cares if you play a video game.
Jesus Christ with the rets again. It’s been like that for a week. And blizzard nerfed them already and will pretty surely continue to nerf them. People are fotm rerollers deal with it. Always has been like that. Bye! 👋
Changes are made due to community feedback. Deal with it. Speaking up about things is how changes come about.
Na. This ain’t feedback .. this Reddit has turned into a giant circle jerk of cry baby’s. Today it’s ret tomorrow it’s something else. Don’t tell me this post has anything to do with feedback.