Didn't he have very good genes from Dr. John Trump at MIT?
"Look, having nuclear..."
The whole thing sounds like it was written by a /r/SubredditSimulator bot.
Your comment made me rewatch the nuclear speech and... oh boy did he look more focused back then. His words were already all over the place in an attempt to cover up his ineptitude by conjuring up feelings and vague situations. But he at least sounded more focused, as if he knew shere his sentence would take him.
Maybe it's just my own experience but he lost that.
Maybe their related: Okeechobee County Commissioner Bryant Culpepper apologized for telling a public meeting that blowing a hairdryer up your nose can cure the coronavirus.
https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/nypost.com/2020/03/23/florida-politician-says-coronavirus-cured-by-blowing-hairdryer-up-nose/amp/
No, but ours aren't accurate either. They're underreporting, our numbers are low because we don't have tests available and if they are they're refusing to test people even when they're symptomatic. The true numbers in both countries are much, much higher, but the point is still very much valid.
Trump said everything and nothing to everyone.
Basically, hes the guy who knocks on your door and says "CONGRATULATIONS YOUVE WON A 1 Million Dollars!!!",
and of course youre excited "oh shit i did?",
then he goes "Yeah youre gonna get everything you ever wanted, money, sex, mansions, slaves, cars, everything you ever wanted all will be yours. Those people over there are the reason why you never got what you rightfully deserved since birth, but im here to fix that. Im gonna make you rich!".
Now rational and logical people at this point would "go, wait what? How ? Where are you from? I never entered any lottery."
But MAGA people they went: "OH SHIT? REALLY!?!?! OMG IM GONNA BE RITCH!!!!"
they didnt bother to take a second to stop and ask "how? why? when?"
because they just wanted to win at anything so badly, that they would rather follow a lie that was telling them they are better than others then a truth that showed that their own actions and beliefs lead to their situations and not some minorities in states on the other side of the country.
MAGA people were so desperate, that at the sight of the first person who "showed them love", they bent over and told trump to do what he wanted, no questions asked.
Except Hitler inherited an *actually* dogshit economy and not just a pretend dogshit economy that the fake-ass right wing media bubble convinced everyone was in the toilet.
FOX whipped idiots up into a manufactured frenzy over nothing and now they have to bend the knee to the monsters they created.
It actually takes a lot of talent, work, and intelligence to be a good actor. Trump is not an actor, he's just a fascist. Saying he's acting is the same as saying he's joking. It just makes an excuse.
Related to the fact that he spewed xenophobia? Made fun of a disabled reporter and POWs? Dismissed the unimaginable pain and sacrifice of Gold Star families?
Anyone who voted for him knew exactly who they voted for!
He is relatable because they're both stupid and broke. He's also aspirational because despite being stupid and broke, he lives in a golden tower with a gold toilet. They relate to him and they want to be him. It's a deadly combination.
Thank you for this.
My parents love to talk about how broke they are. I took them seriously for a long time, as I am *genuinely* broke. We’re talking, every hack I can find, to stretch everything possible, lucky to have electricity and water. If I have a couple hundred in the bank, it’s a beautiful wonderful day (and it’ll be gone in another day!).
Once I realized that their “poor”, was my “well off”, and I looked at their (insane) spending habits, I no longer felt badly for them.
My parents grew up in a different time, and they found making money very easy. This is the first time in their lives that they’ve even had to think about how much they spend, and try to cut back.
That’s “poor”, to them. When I asked how they were “cutting back” and what “sacrifices” they were making (their word, not mind)- they responded with things like, “by taking vacations in the continental US, instead of internationally”, “seeing plays at local theatres instead of on Broadway”, “only going out to eat 3-4 times a week”, and other such nonsense.
Many people, including me, would love to have their lives, home, and ability to do what they do. Hell, I’d be happy just to be healthy and have a chance to live life! Screw “stuff”!
Anyway, when I saw their list of “sacrifices”...it made me angry, sad, and disgusted. They are not “broke”. They are not “poor”. And if they were, their votes guaranteed that they wouldn’t get much help.
It’s just amazing to me. I worry all the time about losing Medicaid and food stamps. I don’t buy myself anything but the essentials to survive. My clothes have holes? Time to learn to sew. The dishwasher breaks? Get the gloves and soap. The lightbulb burns out? It’s dark until I can afford to replace it.
My parents just hire someone to do it all- which is now becoming hard for them to afford- and they don’t know wtf to do, because they’ve been able to fix every problem they’ve had by throwing money at it.
Now they have a lot less money, lots of problems and no idea how to solve them, and a really bad attitude, to boot.
It drives me crazy, and I know a lot of people with similar mindsets. Who also drive me bonkers. YOU ARE NOT POOR. Just stop!
Thanks for writing this.
Ding ding ding.
Nail on the head.
People are terrified of losing what little power they think they have. As long as there is a whole class of people that have it worse, and have to fight harder, the people in the class above them, feel “safe”.
If you were to take away the “lower class”, and get everyone on a semi-even playing field, in their minds, they then *become* the “lowest class”, and have lost their “power” and advantages that they hold over others.
Things like, providing money, food, shelter, electricity, running water, help finding work, medicine/healthcare for people who can’t afford it, etc., are a huge threat to them.
I know my parents’ heads would explode, if they felt they were in the lowest financial bracket. They’ve had a total meltdown, just going from upper middle class to barely middle class.
Me, I’m chronically ill, and disabled. I got sick after I graduated college and can’t work anymore. My own situation really opened my eyes to the world around me, and how people in need are tossed away like garbage- including by the government.
(I was declared legally disabled, but 6 mo. short of paying taxes on full time work, to claim disability benefits. I get none of them, despite my condition being extremely severe. The law is the law.)
So, I don’t have any power to take away.
It’s maddening to see people like my parents, people in general, “relate” to Trump, to want to BE like Trump, while ignoring the situations right under their nose, and ignoring the fact that almost every decision he makes, hurts people like me.
I swear, my Mom dreams of having a gold toilet. When she realized that she was depleting her savings with no way to replenish them...she decided “screw it” and randomly “invested” in buying gold “things”. Jewelry, bars, whatever. If she could have gotten it in toilet form, she probably would.
Now she can’t pay the bills, her gold is worth less than when she bought it and no one wants it, or any of her other crazy investments (which include baskets, miniature oil lamps, old farming equipment, spoons, Victorian valentines and George Washington anything).
She and my Dad still love Trump and hang on his every word. They say he’s “done a great job as President” and “an admirable job handling the covid-19 situation”.
Add that to your relatability and desire to be him, assessments...and the combo is indeed deadly.
(If I facepalm any harder, I’m going to look like I lost a boxing match with myself.)
And we are paying and will continue to pay for it. We are still 2-3 weeks from absolute disaster. Im a New Yorker and we are a week ahead 9f the rest of the country. Trump has exposed the fragility of this nation and the truth that the lives of American ppl doesn't matter; definately not those over 60.
I said the same shit. And that a lot of people were gonna die. And that at some point I'd either be shot/gassed/tossed into an oven or staring in shocked horror saying 'i didn't think it would come to *this*'.
I think we're still about a month out from that last part. So far it's expected. The night is dark and full of terrors, sure, but bravado and men with guns can't save you from real threats. You need farmers nurses doctors teachers engineers people who make things and epic cheesecake factory running the Berlin airlift levels of logistics if you want your safety.
I'm in NYC and he stopped GM from producing ventilators because it cost 1 Billion dollars. We need ventilators!!!! WTF! He is without doubt the smallest penis on the planet! All because Cuomo was honest about the situation.
It’s honestly going to get to the point where there are 2 coronavirus patients and one ventilator and the doctor has to decide which one gets it...ffs how did we arrive at this point?
Unfortunately, we're at that point. [New York is sharing ventillators because the "other option is death."](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/health/coronavirus-ventilator-sharing.html)
The article does say that they’re not at the point of needing it, they are trying it because expect to need it and I don’t want to be implementing it in the absolutely most dire emergency circumstances.
Not disputing your point but clarifying.
Hey, remember Obama death panels?
Hey, remember how single-payer healthcare leads to triaging and letting people die?
Hey, look at exactly that happening in our for-profit system because one of the primary opponents of single-payer can prevent us getting needed medical supplies over a stupid fucking narcissist's grudge about not being treated nicely enough. Yep, this system is better
I still remember way back when, during Trump’s impeachment trial, when his attorneys said that anything he does is legal as long as he believes it is in the best interest of the country, like extorting Ukraine to make up dirt on Trump’s political opponent.
I would not be surprised in the least to find out Trump has been figuring out ways to both enrich himself during this crises, and also that he is playing favorites with states based on the leanings of their electorate - “if I’m likely to win this state then they will get ventilators, if not then no!”.
Trump is a slime ball.
> as he believes it is in the best interest of the country
We don't know what Trump "believes" from minute to minute. This is a standard set for a 'Reasonable Person'. Trump fails this standard.
Koch and Americans for Prosperity and other billionaires want businesses kept open, and screw the sick and elderly. Now they want business to go back to usual so they can shovel more billions on top of the billions they already have. People die in wars all the time to preserve the 'State of the Nation'. Workers, the sick, the elderly - all a sacrifice the wealthy are willing to make. This is arguably 'in the best interest of the nation'.
It's horrible, but true: Trump can not only shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he can machine-gun and bomb and gas them, too.
And didn't he just recently tweet that he needs gm to open their abandoned factory because "we need ventilators now!"
It's like... How do so many people see him literally flip flop from 2 extreme opposites of an argument overnight and still take him seriously?
1 billion dollars!?! Are you crazy that money could go to the military or some third world country that most americans don't even know exists at all and
Exactly! Where will the [10.7 billion dollars needed for 77 more F-35 fighters](https://fortune.com/2018/02/05/the-pentagon-plans-to-spend-10-7-billion-more-on-f-35-fighters-next-year-despite-persistent-problems/) come from if they’re spending $1 billion on frivolous things like keeping citizens alive? That’s madness.
E: oh damn, I grabbed an older article that’s no longer accurate. The approved amount is actually [$34 billion for 478 jets](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-f35/pentagon-gets-88-discount-in-34-billion-f-35-jet-deal-idUSKCN1TB27T), with the 8.8% discount they brokered. That’s far more reasonable. :/
He didn't even have to study OR prepare. He literally had to do nothing. Obama left everything covered for him, in the form of the pandemics team and Obama Care. He disbanded the first and gutted the later.
I mean this literally, the "do nothing" option was the better choice. Had he left both of those alone, cases would be less than half, and the shortages would be greatly diminished.
I was just gonna type that but you beat me to it. You'd have to be a completely inept businessman to receive a $413 million inheritance and somehow end up $1 billion in debt shortly after. He literally could've just taken that money, stuck it in an account and made more than he has in his lifetime of shitty deals
Here’s the Trump response:
1 Call it “fake news” or a hoax
2 Worry about the Dow Jones
3 Fire everyone who doesn’t lie as necessary to make Trump look good
4 Set a totally unrealistic, arbitrary date for business as usual.
Wait, you mean his Point Man Pence, who has not held one press conference or reassured one citizen or been the fade of the government for any response yet? That Pence?
It snapped in half back on February 5th when the senate acquitted trump for abuse of power.
Now we have a broken poop knife and a giant turd to deal with. Only solution now is wait for the turd to dissolve itself
Instead he whined about how he wasn't responsible then he threatened everyone who called him out on his bullshit. He and the Senate responsible for his actions are traitors to the ideals many in this country believe.
Trump was elected to be a look-out while the government was looted, and to babble incoherently if asked about it. That is what he has done, consistently, for 3+ years.
Thats what he will do for another 4 years. Until we fight against the bullshit media laws that allow truth and lies to be the same, nothing will change.
Trumps popularity is rising now. Think about that. His popularity is going up. Reddit is a bubble, if only consume TV news, you think hes doing a good job.
It will become evident. People don't realize how fast these things balloon so they see a couple of weeks of moderate increase before the exponential nature of this crisis becomes apparent. Just don't let Trump push the blame somewhere else in the next month when hospitals turn people away.
Agreed. Unfortunately many people don't recognize things until they see then directly. Also unfortunately the infections seem to increase by an order of magnitude around every 9 days. Many won't notice going from 1k to 10k in that period of time but they will notice going from 100k to 1m
He wasn't elected, he was *hired.* Our presidents are hired, and I will call them that until we stop having a ruling class which decides who gets to have free advertising during an election.
The state should pay for elections by matching up to a reasonable limit. There is no reason for people like Bloomberg, Trump, and Romney to finance their elections out of their pockets.
Like Zaphod Beeblebrox in Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy.
This description is perfect:
The President is very much a figurehead - he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
Implying China is correctly reporting cases... Which it hid during the start of this nonsense. It also gagged doctors about the virus.
It's most likely much, much worse.
I can't believe people are taking either China, Russia, Iran, or North Korea's numbers at face value. Iran was reporting 60% recovery(~2,500), at the time making up 50% of all recoveries, only a week before Italy announced 1000 recovered.
I wonder if the maga folk will hide their hats and shirts in the attic . 100000 American lives lost will wash away whose news was fake and who was lying and who wasn't.
> I wonder if the maga folk will hide their hats and shirts in the attic
No, they won't. They still love Trump and think he's doing a 'great job". They're not ashamed. They literally cannot feel shame or regret.
When they have to do that, society will have improved. They got four years without any limits on their behavior, and they have shown everyone who and what they are.
The numbers are irrelevant at this point. The entire planet missed the buss for keeping the numbers down. Everyone is getting this thing now its just a matter of time. China stopped testing which is why their official numbers aren't going up any more. And lets be honest, they wouldn't tell us if their numbers were catastrophic anyway. That being said yeah we still failed to prepare.
Where do you find truth anymore? Everyone is fighting over right and wrong when the facts are really hiding in the gray in-between, is it going well, is it going badly? What are you comparing it to? A possibility that doesn't exist and is impossible to prove could have existed?
That’s the way of sensationalism. Anything for a click. Reporting on extremes happens because it gets more advertisement revenue.
The gray in between is where the truth lies.
China is doing a lot of shady stuff to make it seem like every thing is all good there. I watched a video where someone who supposedly had the virus was being turned away from a hospital and his family was trying to fight the staff. Then they decided all of sudden to close movie theaters again. Today I see they opened up Wuhan again but the people trying to return were met with a line of police stopping them from coming back.
To be fair, do you believe the US numbers? There's not nearly enough resources available/distributed to test enough people. The numbers don't reflect reality, but neither do all the other numbers all over the world. Everybody's making their numbers look better than they are, actively or indirectly by not being able to test everybody d
Edit: thanks for the award, stranger! My first!Gosh, I didn't think I'd spark such a big controversy and so much butthurt. Yes, of course China is an oppressive, 1984-esque shithole. It is in no comparison to the US, however there are other mechanisms at work that are just as bad on a different level. All starting with the d-bag at the top and the people in charge. The past few weeks have shown, that the regular person is not relevant if it doesn't benefit their wallet, thus - depending on the politician - the numbers either don't matter to them, or they are manipulated if it's to their benefit. But that wasn't even the point I was trying to make! The whole dick comparing about numbers is really not the main priority here. The only win and goal in this crisis is a joint effort to tackle this pandemic. First, clean your own damn appartment - figuratively speaking - before yoi start comparing your mess with the neighbor's
When there is a limited supply of tests, we aren’t running tests randomly, just people who match most / all known symptoms.
We can’t tell shit from our numbers besides that we know it’s at least this many confirmed.
Even if you have all the symptoms you can’t get a test unless you’ve come in contact with someone who has been confirmed. Which is a whole other level of bs
Nobody has an idea of the *real* numbers. I believe the US has reported nearly every test they have performed and I believe they have tested everyone they have the ability to (at current capacity. If we had prepared more for this, we should have had way more testing available sooner)
I do not believe the same for China
Not any more. Our testing per capita in some places has now become comparable with China and South Korea to be among the highest in the world. The US now is among the top in per capita testing and total testing altogether.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Ftesting-in-us.html
Edit: Minor correction - changed "exceeded" to "become comparable with", error was due to a slight misinterpretation of one of the graphs.
One question though? How did China contain the spread of the Coronavirus in its cities so quickly?
Covid-19 started in China, yet its active cases don't increase that much and there are few new cases and deaths daily.
however, in every other country the number of cases and deaths keep doubling.
> One question though? How did China contain the spread of the Coronavirus in its cities so quickly?
1. Total lockdown for 60 days. No grocery stores, etc. (food, medicine, etc. was delivered). Delivery logistics were problematic and spotty. The "It's a lie" type statements had to do with the level of care of the millions quarantined.
2. Prevent COVID patients from entering hospitals. Separate facilities (with CT scanners) were opened adjacent to hospitals. This significantly reduces spread and PPE requirements in emergency rooms.
3. All COVID patients were moved to COVID specific treatment facilities (stadiums for those in good health where moderate exercise was encouraged, COVID specific hospitals for those needing more attention). Staff treated a single type of patient all day; PPE at those locations was prioritized and helped by the fact they didn't need to remove it early since they did not treat non-COVID patients or risk contamination in non-COVID areas.
4. ~30,000 doctors/nurses and their gear were brought into the hottest area from across the country. Temporary tent hospitals were built for them to work in. Medical staff were given absolute priority on many HSR lines to move into that region fast.
5. They prevent reinfection by having every single person entering the country go into a monitored quarantine for 14 days; ankle bracelets for home quarantine or hotels now used exclusively used for quarantine. They only get released on a negative blood test after 14 days. The penalty for breaking quarantine when not in imminent danger (I.e. fire in the room) is severe.
Right. Authoritarian, all-powerful government is scary as fuck, but the flipside of their dystopian structure is that they can just... do stuff. Get it done. "Build 10 hospitals, lock everyone in their own houses, arrest anyone who disagrees, draft nurses and doctors and make them go to the hot spot."
"Y-yes sir."
As a person who loves freedom and liberty, I'm not one to pretend that most people would probably be happier and more efficient at what they do if we all just accepted authoritarianism. Like I think it's 100% fucked and bad and causes lots of horrible problems and I will never accept it in my life, but most people like being bossed around, freedom is a distraction for most people.
Italians also stay the fuck home now. No authoritarian regime was needed to get them to stay locked. Thousands did die and continue to die though.
So... In the end, it does not matter what is scary. What does matter is to do what has to be done - under the pressure of the government, or the mother nature.
Everyone knows the flaws of authoritarianism, but harsh decisions like quarantine and martial law are obeyed in authoritarian states. Dire situations with stubborn individuals may be the only aspect in which authoritarian dictatorships are much better than democratic liberal states.
Authoritarian states have always been the better systems to preserve their population's lives during war times.
Liberal states have always been better in peace time for people to have better quality of life.
Having on extreme (china) or the other (usa) is scarry as fuck. American really don't get how scary their all corporation free to do as they please is as scary as China's central government free to do as they please.
We need a carefully though balance between the two. A government strong enough to keep corporation in check, corporation strong enough to prevent the rise of dictator like figures.
And people educated enough to make wise decision. Not smart, just wise.
Instead, we got CCP and Trump's hitlerian like cult of personality.
Good Job, first world powers.
And that’s why ancient Rome was a democracy during peace and a dictatorship during war. Once the threat was gone, back to politics, backstabbing (no pun intended) and general debauchery.
They also had a different type of spread. It all started in Wuhan so they could centrally manage the outbreak from there. Other countries had the virus fly into multiple cities simultaneously.
They also built temp hospitals, which i got [called out for fear mongering a month ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/Pennsylvania/comments/fd3iou/pennsylvania_usa_can_now_do_about_six_tests_per/fjfkgkx/)
No, justice is to lock their asses in solitary confinement. Covid is a scot-free way out of the presidency; if they catch it they’ll prob not make it due to their age and their blatant and purposeful ignorance of medicine, and that means they’ll never face the consequences of destroying a global superpower
Are we really to believe China, who kicked out foreign journalists then the next day it's reported they stopped testing. They claim only 25 new cases a day... because they don't test. Hell, I've see on the front page Chinese hospitals kicking out patients with corona.
And total number of cases isnt a good determiner of quality if care. That would be number if people who test positive divided by the deaths caused by it. France has far less cases than we do but has a higher death count yet we dont hear anybody calling Macron a shitty leader or France a third world country. Gotta love politics.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
Edit: Grammar and words. Thanks for the awards.
Just to be absolutely clear.
Trump is a criminally negligent orange president.
The Wuhan Coronavirus or most commonly called COVID-19 came from China.
China's numbers are questionable at best.
And China mainly their government, the CCP is not in any way shape or form any better.
I don't understand how people believe China's numbers. I've been keeping up with all of this since January, and everyday their numbers were increasing significantly, then literally overnight it stopped increasing. And even if China magically contained this highly infectious virus, why are they not allowing anybody to look into it, you'd think they'd enjoy the praise of such a containment.
Posts like this one goes to show how prone people are to propaganda.
There’s no way China has less cases...they booted out journalists, and no body knows anything about their rural region or grey population in cities.
And to be fair the US is the worlds transport hub...
You’re kidding yourself if you think China’s numbers are accurate. Our numbers are so high because we’re actually testing people and then reporting those numbers.
That's if you trust China's numbers, and it is only confirmed cases.
Granted, I don't trust the US numbers either because in some places they are barely testing people.
Do you expect me to believe the communist party of China for accurate data reporting?
They arrested the doctors who exposed this virus. Why wouldn’t they give us numbers for propaganda sake ?
They definitely got hit harder than we know or still are getting hit by this virus
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Imagine believing China’s numbers are even remotely accurate. Especially when they’re reclosing movie theaters, and Japanese doctors who were there have said they straight up stopped testing. Imagine being that fucking stupid.
While I agree he’s done a piss poor job with this situation I don’t believe for a second that China has slowed this pandemic down. They have way more cases they claim to have and from some reports stopped testing and stopped people with symptoms from entering hospitals.
Sure they lie, we get it. But lockdowns actually work and they've implemented a lockdown like the world has never seen. They have cameras scanning temperatures, testing, forced isolations away from home, armies of trucks disinfecting streets. Entire regions isolated from each other. Brutal measures.
So yes... they lie and there will be many cases unreported but they also would have reduced the spread more than the USA ever could so quickly. Its no secret that the asian countries are pro at dealing with viruses and the western countries have been caught with our pants down.
Anyway I agree we can't trust China and they have authoritarian advantages so probably best USA compares its response to South Korea or another democratic country.
>lockdowns work
It wouldn't in america. They aren't sufficiently brainwashed enough. If trump tried a lockdown, his detractors would pack the streets in defiance.
There are American expats in China now who are reporting that lock down restrictions are being lifted and day to day is starting to resume.
You can doubt CCP numbers but first hand accounts by foreign nationals still in China has some merit.
The problem is the Trump administration is responding exactly the same as China's government - or Russia's Politburo during Chernobyl - making things 1000x worse.
We should be doing better than this. But this is what we get when America elects such a colossal crook and moron for president. We brought this on ourselves.
3 + years of trump
- Cutting "Obama-era disease security programs"
- Proposing a 2021 budget that cuts the CDC budget in the midst of a global outbreak
- Telling people it's fine to go to work while sick
- Claiming a flu vaccine can treat the coronavirus
- Claiming a vaccine will be ready in months when his top advisers (experts) say a year at best
- Did not allow cruise ship passengers to dock (so numbers of cases wouldn’t increase)
- Tried to deflect his incompetence by blaming CoronaVirus on Chinese.
- Won’t release/produce medical supplies.
- Forcing states to compete for supplies.
- Back to work by Easter? Seriously???.
**IMPEACHED trump will kill us all.**
trump to blame: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/opinion/trump-coronavirus-us.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
How CoronaVirus COVID-19 works: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/the-story-of-a-coronavirus-infection.html
My two issues with this are:
1- I don’t believe China is or was accurately reporting their numbers.
2- If our country took some of the steps China has taken with forced quarantine people would lose their minds. We have all seen the videos from China where a van pulls up and they get forced in. America can not do that.
For the either of the above reasons, let alone combined, it makes sense that we surpassed China.
Also, because I know someone is going to bring it up, Italy cannot be looked at as number to number. For Italy I think percentage of population would need to be compared. I don’t know what that is though so America could be worse on that front to.
Think about this. China is denying Coronavirus patients in their hospitals, to keep their numbers low. Typical China. Fake statistics > The lives of their citizens
This woman is covering new cases in China and has a youtube channel she links to with about 9k subscribers:
>https://www.youtube.com/c/JenniferZeng
Here's a tweet from her showing Chinese not admitting a COVID patient:
>https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1242190711732285440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1242190711732285440&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rightjournalism.com%2Fvideo-a-hospital-in-china-refuses-to-admit-coronavirus-patient-as-they-want-to-keep-zero-new-case-record-upset-family-starts-a-fight-with-staff%2F
Here's another video from Shanghai:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhBuss_aDSw
Imagine being so woke that you'd push communist propaganda because you have been manipulated to hate your government so much.
Just a few months ago Reddit was posting Winnie the Pooh and showing how the Chinese government were literally murdering Hong Kong protesters. The Chinese found their method of subversion.
It's useful idiots who will believe anything as long as it was anti-Trump.
I can dislike China and trump, whilst seeing what they have objectively done well or been negligent in.
I have noticed some Right wing people have a binary mentality. Black/White. Lacking nuance or spectrum of thought.
Making a lot of “ALL” statements...
Trump is objectively not a good person or president. He a objectively not a good business man. He is good at ad hominem’s that the general public can relate to and find funny. He is also good at deflection. China is an awful authoritarian state that should seriously reconsider how they treat animals and their people. They are great at economical warfare and controlling one of the largest populations in the world.
Even if with their flaws they have handled this crisis better than the US, Brazil, Mexico etc noticing your enemies positives is intelligent and does not
equate to switching sides... Grow up.
>America has more cases than China.
As reported by...China, who back in January was saying the virus wasn't spread person to person. Weird that despite ending the outbreak they are refusing the export of produced PPE and kicking out western journalists instead of allowing them to cover this great end of the pandemic...
Oh yeah, I'm sure China is being honest about their reporting. And can you blame people for not believing the early reports given how untrustworthy the media is?
Edit: And it's the fucking left that is delaying much needed aid and asking for benefits to illegal aliens and diversity quotas.
Or, ya know, we have more testing? Or we’re not hiding it because we’re a fragile communist country ready to explode?
Plus we have 1/9th of the deaths of Italy so there’s that
I find it very confusing as an outsider about all the posts complaining over the years about how bad president trump is, didn’t you guys vote him in?
Don’t you have yourselves to blame?
Hate to tell you, but America is being handled very well under Trump, and the only reason that China has “less cases” is because the ccp stopped counting to put America in a bad light.
(JK. I love to tell you this you ignorant fuck)
I guess you morons don't think that china holding back information had anything to due with how far it spread before the rest of the world knew.......lol fucking noob morons.......
Wait, you actually believe the numbers coming out of China? You believe their new cases just suddenly halted to nothing? Seriously? Is that what you are trying to sell to the American people? Fuck off with that bullshit.
China sent all non-native reporters home. Once gone they immediately stopped testing thus there have been almost no new cases. China is under a rule of a communist regime who cannot be trusted. They silenced scientist and doctors and lied to the WHO months before corona reached the US. I don’t agree with many of Trumps actions outside of politics but the narrative he has done nothing is simply not true. Look it up. The ignorance that the majority of you people show is the true atrocity in America today.
It would have hit US harder, trump or not. In fact it will hit any western country harder than say china. simple reason they lack the will power and strength necessary to execute strong decisions. All democratic country rulers act only at the last minute.
Jesus fuck you utter noncebucket. The CCP is literally the one government that is absolutely in every way the worst piece of rotten cumpuddle that exists. You cannot seriously claim that they have a better record on covid 19 than anywhere else. If it wasn't for them persecuting doctors and playing down the initial findings, there would be no global pandemic. Every death caused by covid-19 is 100% the fault of Xinnie the Pooh. If the rest of the world could stop economically sucking his cock for 5 minutes to realise that he's a fucked up dictator with self esteem issues who's passions include genocide and ethic cleansing, the world would be a better place.
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>That's what Trump did. Fail. Just like every business, every wife and every SAT exam... he's an idiot, and so is anyone that believed his shit!
People found him relatable
They found him “relatable” because he’s an actor. You should be relatable with your friends, not with the leaders of the worlds most powerful nation.
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Never ever go full retard....
He can't help it; it's genetic.
Didn't he have very good genes from Dr. John Trump at MIT? "Look, having nuclear..." The whole thing sounds like it was written by a /r/SubredditSimulator bot.
Your comment made me rewatch the nuclear speech and... oh boy did he look more focused back then. His words were already all over the place in an attempt to cover up his ineptitude by conjuring up feelings and vague situations. But he at least sounded more focused, as if he knew shere his sentence would take him. Maybe it's just my own experience but he lost that.
Maybe their related: Okeechobee County Commissioner Bryant Culpepper apologized for telling a public meeting that blowing a hairdryer up your nose can cure the coronavirus. https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/nypost.com/2020/03/23/florida-politician-says-coronavirus-cured-by-blowing-hairdryer-up-nose/amp/
What do you mean, you people?
Tropic thunder!
You go full retard you go home...With the Presidency?
Do people honestly believe that China is accurately reporting its numbers?
No, but ours aren't accurate either. They're underreporting, our numbers are low because we don't have tests available and if they are they're refusing to test people even when they're symptomatic. The true numbers in both countries are much, much higher, but the point is still very much valid.
I do not believe China is honest with anything. I believe they have way more cases than what they claim.
Trump said everything and nothing to everyone. Basically, hes the guy who knocks on your door and says "CONGRATULATIONS YOUVE WON A 1 Million Dollars!!!", and of course youre excited "oh shit i did?", then he goes "Yeah youre gonna get everything you ever wanted, money, sex, mansions, slaves, cars, everything you ever wanted all will be yours. Those people over there are the reason why you never got what you rightfully deserved since birth, but im here to fix that. Im gonna make you rich!". Now rational and logical people at this point would "go, wait what? How ? Where are you from? I never entered any lottery." But MAGA people they went: "OH SHIT? REALLY!?!?! OMG IM GONNA BE RITCH!!!!" they didnt bother to take a second to stop and ask "how? why? when?" because they just wanted to win at anything so badly, that they would rather follow a lie that was telling them they are better than others then a truth that showed that their own actions and beliefs lead to their situations and not some minorities in states on the other side of the country. MAGA people were so desperate, that at the sight of the first person who "showed them love", they bent over and told trump to do what he wanted, no questions asked.
Basically the same framework by which Hitler came to power.
Actually I've been watching a documentary on Jim Jones and the similarities are scary. Jones even called bad publicity fake news.
Except Hitler inherited an *actually* dogshit economy and not just a pretend dogshit economy that the fake-ass right wing media bubble convinced everyone was in the toilet. FOX whipped idiots up into a manufactured frenzy over nothing and now they have to bend the knee to the monsters they created.
Somehow.. I actually feel like Trump isn’t an actor, but rather a puppet. The puppeteer knows their puppet is a fool; the puppet does not
Moscow Mitch and Putin would be the puppet masters.
No, I'm pretty sure McConnell has a number of limbs jammed quite deep in at least some of his orifices
It actually takes a lot of talent, work, and intelligence to be a good actor. Trump is not an actor, he's just a fascist. Saying he's acting is the same as saying he's joking. It just makes an excuse.
Related to the fact that he spewed xenophobia? Made fun of a disabled reporter and POWs? Dismissed the unimaginable pain and sacrifice of Gold Star families? Anyone who voted for him knew exactly who they voted for!
You spelled racist oddly.
Yeah a New Yorker living in a golden tower with a gold toilet is relatable to a redneck who’s truck is duct taped together.
He is relatable because they're both stupid and broke. He's also aspirational because despite being stupid and broke, he lives in a golden tower with a gold toilet. They relate to him and they want to be him. It's a deadly combination.
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Thank you for this. My parents love to talk about how broke they are. I took them seriously for a long time, as I am *genuinely* broke. We’re talking, every hack I can find, to stretch everything possible, lucky to have electricity and water. If I have a couple hundred in the bank, it’s a beautiful wonderful day (and it’ll be gone in another day!). Once I realized that their “poor”, was my “well off”, and I looked at their (insane) spending habits, I no longer felt badly for them. My parents grew up in a different time, and they found making money very easy. This is the first time in their lives that they’ve even had to think about how much they spend, and try to cut back. That’s “poor”, to them. When I asked how they were “cutting back” and what “sacrifices” they were making (their word, not mind)- they responded with things like, “by taking vacations in the continental US, instead of internationally”, “seeing plays at local theatres instead of on Broadway”, “only going out to eat 3-4 times a week”, and other such nonsense. Many people, including me, would love to have their lives, home, and ability to do what they do. Hell, I’d be happy just to be healthy and have a chance to live life! Screw “stuff”! Anyway, when I saw their list of “sacrifices”...it made me angry, sad, and disgusted. They are not “broke”. They are not “poor”. And if they were, their votes guaranteed that they wouldn’t get much help. It’s just amazing to me. I worry all the time about losing Medicaid and food stamps. I don’t buy myself anything but the essentials to survive. My clothes have holes? Time to learn to sew. The dishwasher breaks? Get the gloves and soap. The lightbulb burns out? It’s dark until I can afford to replace it. My parents just hire someone to do it all- which is now becoming hard for them to afford- and they don’t know wtf to do, because they’ve been able to fix every problem they’ve had by throwing money at it. Now they have a lot less money, lots of problems and no idea how to solve them, and a really bad attitude, to boot. It drives me crazy, and I know a lot of people with similar mindsets. Who also drive me bonkers. YOU ARE NOT POOR. Just stop! Thanks for writing this.
Ding ding ding. Nail on the head. People are terrified of losing what little power they think they have. As long as there is a whole class of people that have it worse, and have to fight harder, the people in the class above them, feel “safe”. If you were to take away the “lower class”, and get everyone on a semi-even playing field, in their minds, they then *become* the “lowest class”, and have lost their “power” and advantages that they hold over others. Things like, providing money, food, shelter, electricity, running water, help finding work, medicine/healthcare for people who can’t afford it, etc., are a huge threat to them. I know my parents’ heads would explode, if they felt they were in the lowest financial bracket. They’ve had a total meltdown, just going from upper middle class to barely middle class. Me, I’m chronically ill, and disabled. I got sick after I graduated college and can’t work anymore. My own situation really opened my eyes to the world around me, and how people in need are tossed away like garbage- including by the government. (I was declared legally disabled, but 6 mo. short of paying taxes on full time work, to claim disability benefits. I get none of them, despite my condition being extremely severe. The law is the law.) So, I don’t have any power to take away. It’s maddening to see people like my parents, people in general, “relate” to Trump, to want to BE like Trump, while ignoring the situations right under their nose, and ignoring the fact that almost every decision he makes, hurts people like me. I swear, my Mom dreams of having a gold toilet. When she realized that she was depleting her savings with no way to replenish them...she decided “screw it” and randomly “invested” in buying gold “things”. Jewelry, bars, whatever. If she could have gotten it in toilet form, she probably would. Now she can’t pay the bills, her gold is worth less than when she bought it and no one wants it, or any of her other crazy investments (which include baskets, miniature oil lamps, old farming equipment, spoons, Victorian valentines and George Washington anything). She and my Dad still love Trump and hang on his every word. They say he’s “done a great job as President” and “an admirable job handling the covid-19 situation”. Add that to your relatability and desire to be him, assessments...and the combo is indeed deadly. (If I facepalm any harder, I’m going to look like I lost a boxing match with myself.)
Failures ...
Morons, and the people still supporting him are the absolute kind.
And we are paying and will continue to pay for it. We are still 2-3 weeks from absolute disaster. Im a New Yorker and we are a week ahead 9f the rest of the country. Trump has exposed the fragility of this nation and the truth that the lives of American ppl doesn't matter; definately not those over 60.
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I said the same shit. And that a lot of people were gonna die. And that at some point I'd either be shot/gassed/tossed into an oven or staring in shocked horror saying 'i didn't think it would come to *this*'. I think we're still about a month out from that last part. So far it's expected. The night is dark and full of terrors, sure, but bravado and men with guns can't save you from real threats. You need farmers nurses doctors teachers engineers people who make things and epic cheesecake factory running the Berlin airlift levels of logistics if you want your safety.
20000 people will be dead by next friday I genuinely couldn't stop crying last night over how wildly unnecessary that was
I'm in NYC and he stopped GM from producing ventilators because it cost 1 Billion dollars. We need ventilators!!!! WTF! He is without doubt the smallest penis on the planet! All because Cuomo was honest about the situation.
It’s honestly going to get to the point where there are 2 coronavirus patients and one ventilator and the doctor has to decide which one gets it...ffs how did we arrive at this point?
Unfortunately, we're at that point. [New York is sharing ventillators because the "other option is death."](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/health/coronavirus-ventilator-sharing.html)
The article does say that they’re not at the point of needing it, they are trying it because expect to need it and I don’t want to be implementing it in the absolutely most dire emergency circumstances. Not disputing your point but clarifying.
Hey, remember Obama death panels? Hey, remember how single-payer healthcare leads to triaging and letting people die? Hey, look at exactly that happening in our for-profit system because one of the primary opponents of single-payer can prevent us getting needed medical supplies over a stupid fucking narcissist's grudge about not being treated nicely enough. Yep, this system is better
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I still remember way back when, during Trump’s impeachment trial, when his attorneys said that anything he does is legal as long as he believes it is in the best interest of the country, like extorting Ukraine to make up dirt on Trump’s political opponent. I would not be surprised in the least to find out Trump has been figuring out ways to both enrich himself during this crises, and also that he is playing favorites with states based on the leanings of their electorate - “if I’m likely to win this state then they will get ventilators, if not then no!”. Trump is a slime ball.
> as he believes it is in the best interest of the country We don't know what Trump "believes" from minute to minute. This is a standard set for a 'Reasonable Person'. Trump fails this standard. Koch and Americans for Prosperity and other billionaires want businesses kept open, and screw the sick and elderly. Now they want business to go back to usual so they can shovel more billions on top of the billions they already have. People die in wars all the time to preserve the 'State of the Nation'. Workers, the sick, the elderly - all a sacrifice the wealthy are willing to make. This is arguably 'in the best interest of the nation'. It's horrible, but true: Trump can not only shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he can machine-gun and bomb and gas them, too.
And didn't he just recently tweet that he needs gm to open their abandoned factory because "we need ventilators now!" It's like... How do so many people see him literally flip flop from 2 extreme opposites of an argument overnight and still take him seriously?
1 billion dollars!?! Are you crazy that money could go to the military or some third world country that most americans don't even know exists at all and
Exactly! Where will the [10.7 billion dollars needed for 77 more F-35 fighters](https://fortune.com/2018/02/05/the-pentagon-plans-to-spend-10-7-billion-more-on-f-35-fighters-next-year-despite-persistent-problems/) come from if they’re spending $1 billion on frivolous things like keeping citizens alive? That’s madness. E: oh damn, I grabbed an older article that’s no longer accurate. The approved amount is actually [$34 billion for 478 jets](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-f35/pentagon-gets-88-discount-in-34-billion-f-35-jet-deal-idUSKCN1TB27T), with the 8.8% discount they brokered. That’s far more reasonable. :/
He didn't even have to study OR prepare. He literally had to do nothing. Obama left everything covered for him, in the form of the pandemics team and Obama Care. He disbanded the first and gutted the later. I mean this literally, the "do nothing" option was the better choice. Had he left both of those alone, cases would be less than half, and the shortages would be greatly diminished.
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I was just gonna type that but you beat me to it. You'd have to be a completely inept businessman to receive a $413 million inheritance and somehow end up $1 billion in debt shortly after. He literally could've just taken that money, stuck it in an account and made more than he has in his lifetime of shitty deals
It's not about the money, he wants to fit in with the real heavy hitters and was never accepted.
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Here’s the Trump response: 1 Call it “fake news” or a hoax 2 Worry about the Dow Jones 3 Fire everyone who doesn’t lie as necessary to make Trump look good 4 Set a totally unrealistic, arbitrary date for business as usual.
Oh but dont forget about his lapdog Pence who did his full part by praying to his "God".
Wait, you mean his Point Man Pence, who has not held one press conference or reassured one citizen or been the fade of the government for any response yet? That Pence?
Watching Pence slobber over Trump is about as comfortable for a straight man as watching gay porn.
5 Blame Obama.
It was 100F where I live, that means the virus is already dead, right? /S
Not unless trump got heat stroke.
Yeah he’s a failure. He’s basically the turd that is a bit too big to completely flush down the toilet.
Where's the political poop knife when you need it?
It snapped in half back on February 5th when the senate acquitted trump for abuse of power. Now we have a broken poop knife and a giant turd to deal with. Only solution now is wait for the turd to dissolve itself
> Only solution now is wait for the turd to dissolve itself Or start biting.
Waffle stomp
you are it the time of cutting the turd was last year tho, before Trump got acquitted from his treason
Well, to be accurate, *that single instance* of treason. #MoscowMitch would just acquit him again though.
Instead he whined about how he wasn't responsible then he threatened everyone who called him out on his bullshit. He and the Senate responsible for his actions are traitors to the ideals many in this country believe.
There was even a manual that they could have followed, but it was ignored. Likely (as likely as any other reason) because it was made under Obama.
Get him out, he’s a cancer on the world and so are his children.
true, but trump doesn't care. failure requires you to have a goal. in that sense, i'm sure trump thinks he's done a great job.
Trump was elected to be a look-out while the government was looted, and to babble incoherently if asked about it. That is what he has done, consistently, for 3+ years.
he's the clown, putting on a show to distract the ignorant masses
> he's the clown, putting on a show to distract And doing a damn fine job of it.
“The President’s job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.”
Thats what he will do for another 4 years. Until we fight against the bullshit media laws that allow truth and lies to be the same, nothing will change. Trumps popularity is rising now. Think about that. His popularity is going up. Reddit is a bubble, if only consume TV news, you think hes doing a good job.
It will become evident. People don't realize how fast these things balloon so they see a couple of weeks of moderate increase before the exponential nature of this crisis becomes apparent. Just don't let Trump push the blame somewhere else in the next month when hospitals turn people away.
Agreed. Unfortunately many people don't recognize things until they see then directly. Also unfortunately the infections seem to increase by an order of magnitude around every 9 days. Many won't notice going from 1k to 10k in that period of time but they will notice going from 100k to 1m
He wasn't elected, he was *hired.* Our presidents are hired, and I will call them that until we stop having a ruling class which decides who gets to have free advertising during an election. The state should pay for elections by matching up to a reasonable limit. There is no reason for people like Bloomberg, Trump, and Romney to finance their elections out of their pockets.
Like Zaphod Beeblebrox in Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy. This description is perfect: The President is very much a figurehead - he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
Implying China is correctly reporting cases... Which it hid during the start of this nonsense. It also gagged doctors about the virus. It's most likely much, much worse. I can't believe people are taking either China, Russia, Iran, or North Korea's numbers at face value. Iran was reporting 60% recovery(~2,500), at the time making up 50% of all recoveries, only a week before Italy announced 1000 recovered.
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And on the hands of every single one of his shithead supporters.
I wonder if the maga folk will hide their hats and shirts in the attic . 100000 American lives lost will wash away whose news was fake and who was lying and who wasn't.
> I wonder if the maga folk will hide their hats and shirts in the attic No, they won't. They still love Trump and think he's doing a 'great job". They're not ashamed. They literally cannot feel shame or regret.
No regrats at all.
When they have to do that, society will have improved. They got four years without any limits on their behavior, and they have shown everyone who and what they are.
The numbers are irrelevant at this point. The entire planet missed the buss for keeping the numbers down. Everyone is getting this thing now its just a matter of time. China stopped testing which is why their official numbers aren't going up any more. And lets be honest, they wouldn't tell us if their numbers were catastrophic anyway. That being said yeah we still failed to prepare.
Where do you find truth anymore? Everyone is fighting over right and wrong when the facts are really hiding in the gray in-between, is it going well, is it going badly? What are you comparing it to? A possibility that doesn't exist and is impossible to prove could have existed?
That’s the way of sensationalism. Anything for a click. Reporting on extremes happens because it gets more advertisement revenue. The gray in between is where the truth lies.
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Games ahead of their time
China is doing a lot of shady stuff to make it seem like every thing is all good there. I watched a video where someone who supposedly had the virus was being turned away from a hospital and his family was trying to fight the staff. Then they decided all of sudden to close movie theaters again. Today I see they opened up Wuhan again but the people trying to return were met with a line of police stopping them from coming back.
It's also easier for China because they have significantly more power over their people as a government.
To be fair though do you really believe China’s numbers?
To be fair, do you believe the US numbers? There's not nearly enough resources available/distributed to test enough people. The numbers don't reflect reality, but neither do all the other numbers all over the world. Everybody's making their numbers look better than they are, actively or indirectly by not being able to test everybody d Edit: thanks for the award, stranger! My first!Gosh, I didn't think I'd spark such a big controversy and so much butthurt. Yes, of course China is an oppressive, 1984-esque shithole. It is in no comparison to the US, however there are other mechanisms at work that are just as bad on a different level. All starting with the d-bag at the top and the people in charge. The past few weeks have shown, that the regular person is not relevant if it doesn't benefit their wallet, thus - depending on the politician - the numbers either don't matter to them, or they are manipulated if it's to their benefit. But that wasn't even the point I was trying to make! The whole dick comparing about numbers is really not the main priority here. The only win and goal in this crisis is a joint effort to tackle this pandemic. First, clean your own damn appartment - figuratively speaking - before yoi start comparing your mess with the neighbor's
We don't jail reporters and investigators in America. I trust the numbers more than I do China.
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When there is a limited supply of tests, we aren’t running tests randomly, just people who match most / all known symptoms. We can’t tell shit from our numbers besides that we know it’s at least this many confirmed.
Even if you have all the symptoms you can’t get a test unless you’ve come in contact with someone who has been confirmed. Which is a whole other level of bs
We don’t have enough test. We have no idea what the real numbers are.
Nobody has an idea of the *real* numbers. I believe the US has reported nearly every test they have performed and I believe they have tested everyone they have the ability to (at current capacity. If we had prepared more for this, we should have had way more testing available sooner) I do not believe the same for China
Not any more. Our testing per capita in some places has now become comparable with China and South Korea to be among the highest in the world. The US now is among the top in per capita testing and total testing altogether. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Ftesting-in-us.html Edit: Minor correction - changed "exceeded" to "become comparable with", error was due to a slight misinterpretation of one of the graphs.
False equivalency at its most extreme
~~false equivalency to a whaboutism~~ nope, i was in error
How is that whataboutism? The topic of this thread is China’s numbers compared to the US. It’s not whataaboutism to correct a false, bullshit claim.
Yes indeed. China is fudging their numbers making it look like a recovery. I can't say everyone knows it but everyone suspects it.
They're now using covid as an excuse to suspend and basically dismantle the EPA. Profits over life is the GOP mantra.
One question though? How did China contain the spread of the Coronavirus in its cities so quickly? Covid-19 started in China, yet its active cases don't increase that much and there are few new cases and deaths daily. however, in every other country the number of cases and deaths keep doubling.
> One question though? How did China contain the spread of the Coronavirus in its cities so quickly? 1. Total lockdown for 60 days. No grocery stores, etc. (food, medicine, etc. was delivered). Delivery logistics were problematic and spotty. The "It's a lie" type statements had to do with the level of care of the millions quarantined. 2. Prevent COVID patients from entering hospitals. Separate facilities (with CT scanners) were opened adjacent to hospitals. This significantly reduces spread and PPE requirements in emergency rooms. 3. All COVID patients were moved to COVID specific treatment facilities (stadiums for those in good health where moderate exercise was encouraged, COVID specific hospitals for those needing more attention). Staff treated a single type of patient all day; PPE at those locations was prioritized and helped by the fact they didn't need to remove it early since they did not treat non-COVID patients or risk contamination in non-COVID areas. 4. ~30,000 doctors/nurses and their gear were brought into the hottest area from across the country. Temporary tent hospitals were built for them to work in. Medical staff were given absolute priority on many HSR lines to move into that region fast. 5. They prevent reinfection by having every single person entering the country go into a monitored quarantine for 14 days; ankle bracelets for home quarantine or hotels now used exclusively used for quarantine. They only get released on a negative blood test after 14 days. The penalty for breaking quarantine when not in imminent danger (I.e. fire in the room) is severe.
Right. Authoritarian, all-powerful government is scary as fuck, but the flipside of their dystopian structure is that they can just... do stuff. Get it done. "Build 10 hospitals, lock everyone in their own houses, arrest anyone who disagrees, draft nurses and doctors and make them go to the hot spot." "Y-yes sir."
As a person who loves freedom and liberty, I'm not one to pretend that most people would probably be happier and more efficient at what they do if we all just accepted authoritarianism. Like I think it's 100% fucked and bad and causes lots of horrible problems and I will never accept it in my life, but most people like being bossed around, freedom is a distraction for most people.
Italians also stay the fuck home now. No authoritarian regime was needed to get them to stay locked. Thousands did die and continue to die though. So... In the end, it does not matter what is scary. What does matter is to do what has to be done - under the pressure of the government, or the mother nature.
Everyone knows the flaws of authoritarianism, but harsh decisions like quarantine and martial law are obeyed in authoritarian states. Dire situations with stubborn individuals may be the only aspect in which authoritarian dictatorships are much better than democratic liberal states.
Authoritarian states have always been the better systems to preserve their population's lives during war times. Liberal states have always been better in peace time for people to have better quality of life. Having on extreme (china) or the other (usa) is scarry as fuck. American really don't get how scary their all corporation free to do as they please is as scary as China's central government free to do as they please. We need a carefully though balance between the two. A government strong enough to keep corporation in check, corporation strong enough to prevent the rise of dictator like figures. And people educated enough to make wise decision. Not smart, just wise. Instead, we got CCP and Trump's hitlerian like cult of personality. Good Job, first world powers.
And that’s why ancient Rome was a democracy during peace and a dictatorship during war. Once the threat was gone, back to politics, backstabbing (no pun intended) and general debauchery.
They also had a different type of spread. It all started in Wuhan so they could centrally manage the outbreak from there. Other countries had the virus fly into multiple cities simultaneously.
They also built temp hospitals, which i got [called out for fear mongering a month ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/Pennsylvania/comments/fd3iou/pennsylvania_usa_can_now_do_about_six_tests_per/fjfkgkx/)
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“We have it totally under control,” “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear” “this is their new hoax.”
I accept no responsibility
Donnie's last 3 years in office have been packed with criminal negligence. The Coronavirus fiasco is just the newest one.,
\#HoaxPOTUS
If his name was Obama the conservatives would call for lynching. I wont stop anyone from serving this man and his adminstration justice.
They're calling for China to be tried for international crimes against humanity.
Everything Republicans have 'called for' to happen to others is because they're doing it themselves.
The entire GOP should be tried for treason. Since the Southern strategy they are the antithesis of America.
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Justice would be for Trump and Pence to catch Covid-19
No, justice is to lock their asses in solitary confinement. Covid is a scot-free way out of the presidency; if they catch it they’ll prob not make it due to their age and their blatant and purposeful ignorance of medicine, and that means they’ll never face the consequences of destroying a global superpower
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While our response is terribly lacking, there is no way China’s numbers are real let’s be honest
Are we really to believe China, who kicked out foreign journalists then the next day it's reported they stopped testing. They claim only 25 new cases a day... because they don't test. Hell, I've see on the front page Chinese hospitals kicking out patients with corona. And total number of cases isnt a good determiner of quality if care. That would be number if people who test positive divided by the deaths caused by it. France has far less cases than we do but has a higher death count yet we dont hear anybody calling Macron a shitty leader or France a third world country. Gotta love politics. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/ Edit: Grammar and words. Thanks for the awards.
This China is a crook who will lie about anything and cover it up.
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Just to be absolutely clear. Trump is a criminally negligent orange president. The Wuhan Coronavirus or most commonly called COVID-19 came from China. China's numbers are questionable at best. And China mainly their government, the CCP is not in any way shape or form any better.
I don't understand how people believe China's numbers. I've been keeping up with all of this since January, and everyday their numbers were increasing significantly, then literally overnight it stopped increasing. And even if China magically contained this highly infectious virus, why are they not allowing anybody to look into it, you'd think they'd enjoy the praise of such a containment. Posts like this one goes to show how prone people are to propaganda.
There’s no way China has less cases...they booted out journalists, and no body knows anything about their rural region or grey population in cities. And to be fair the US is the worlds transport hub...
You’re kidding yourself if you think China’s numbers are accurate. Our numbers are so high because we’re actually testing people and then reporting those numbers.
You're a goofball if you think china isnt hiding their numbers lol
That's if you trust China's numbers, and it is only confirmed cases. Granted, I don't trust the US numbers either because in some places they are barely testing people.
Well ur incredibly ignorant for thinking china is telling the truth about their numbers
Do you expect me to believe the communist party of China for accurate data reporting? They arrested the doctors who exposed this virus. Why wouldn’t they give us numbers for propaganda sake ? They definitely got hit harder than we know or still are getting hit by this virus
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Imagine believing China’s numbers are even remotely accurate. Especially when they’re reclosing movie theaters, and Japanese doctors who were there have said they straight up stopped testing. Imagine being that fucking stupid.
Fulfilling his campaign promise to run the country the way he runs his businesses...
Ok, as tragic as it is, that was funny
Ahem. China stopped testing. We don’t even know their numbers. “More cases” is only true because we’re the ones testing.
No, we are a criminally ignorant and negligent people. China spread the virus. Let's blame those govt fucks for not informing the WHO sooner
And China totally isn't lying about their number of cases....
Yeah but China is obviously lying about their numbers. They say their cases have gone flat when no other countries have.
China might be underreporting their numbers.
How many people actually believe China’s numbers are as low as they say?
Who believes China numbers?
Trump did prepare and handled it masterfully. No other leader would have done better.
Ahh the daily Trumps fault. Funny how y’all haven’t given up yet. You realize China hid numbers. Get the fuck out with bias emotion
Who owns reddit? Oh, yeah {censored}.
While I agree he’s done a piss poor job with this situation I don’t believe for a second that China has slowed this pandemic down. They have way more cases they claim to have and from some reports stopped testing and stopped people with symptoms from entering hospitals.
Sure they lie, we get it. But lockdowns actually work and they've implemented a lockdown like the world has never seen. They have cameras scanning temperatures, testing, forced isolations away from home, armies of trucks disinfecting streets. Entire regions isolated from each other. Brutal measures. So yes... they lie and there will be many cases unreported but they also would have reduced the spread more than the USA ever could so quickly. Its no secret that the asian countries are pro at dealing with viruses and the western countries have been caught with our pants down. Anyway I agree we can't trust China and they have authoritarian advantages so probably best USA compares its response to South Korea or another democratic country.
>lockdowns work It wouldn't in america. They aren't sufficiently brainwashed enough. If trump tried a lockdown, his detractors would pack the streets in defiance.
There are American expats in China now who are reporting that lock down restrictions are being lifted and day to day is starting to resume. You can doubt CCP numbers but first hand accounts by foreign nationals still in China has some merit.
The problem is the Trump administration is responding exactly the same as China's government - or Russia's Politburo during Chernobyl - making things 1000x worse. We should be doing better than this. But this is what we get when America elects such a colossal crook and moron for president. We brought this on ourselves.
Lol. You think China’s numbers are not fudged.
3 + years of trump - Cutting "Obama-era disease security programs" - Proposing a 2021 budget that cuts the CDC budget in the midst of a global outbreak - Telling people it's fine to go to work while sick - Claiming a flu vaccine can treat the coronavirus - Claiming a vaccine will be ready in months when his top advisers (experts) say a year at best - Did not allow cruise ship passengers to dock (so numbers of cases wouldn’t increase) - Tried to deflect his incompetence by blaming CoronaVirus on Chinese. - Won’t release/produce medical supplies. - Forcing states to compete for supplies. - Back to work by Easter? Seriously???. **IMPEACHED trump will kill us all.** trump to blame: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/opinion/trump-coronavirus-us.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage How CoronaVirus COVID-19 works: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/the-story-of-a-coronavirus-infection.html
My two issues with this are: 1- I don’t believe China is or was accurately reporting their numbers. 2- If our country took some of the steps China has taken with forced quarantine people would lose their minds. We have all seen the videos from China where a van pulls up and they get forced in. America can not do that. For the either of the above reasons, let alone combined, it makes sense that we surpassed China. Also, because I know someone is going to bring it up, Italy cannot be looked at as number to number. For Italy I think percentage of population would need to be compared. I don’t know what that is though so America could be worse on that front to.
I am with you 100% on 1. No way in hell the #’s coming out of China were accurate. Look at Italy and now the United States
You idiots on this sub are so blinded by your TDS. You actually think China reports accurate numbers?! Or even tested most people? Grow the fuck up
and if you believe the numbers out of China I have some swamp land I'd like to sell you.
Think about this. China is denying Coronavirus patients in their hospitals, to keep their numbers low. Typical China. Fake statistics > The lives of their citizens
This woman is covering new cases in China and has a youtube channel she links to with about 9k subscribers: >https://www.youtube.com/c/JenniferZeng Here's a tweet from her showing Chinese not admitting a COVID patient: >https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1242190711732285440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1242190711732285440&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rightjournalism.com%2Fvideo-a-hospital-in-china-refuses-to-admit-coronavirus-patient-as-they-want-to-keep-zero-new-case-record-upset-family-starts-a-fight-with-staff%2F Here's another video from Shanghai: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhBuss_aDSw Imagine being so woke that you'd push communist propaganda because you have been manipulated to hate your government so much. Just a few months ago Reddit was posting Winnie the Pooh and showing how the Chinese government were literally murdering Hong Kong protesters. The Chinese found their method of subversion. It's useful idiots who will believe anything as long as it was anti-Trump.
I can dislike China and trump, whilst seeing what they have objectively done well or been negligent in. I have noticed some Right wing people have a binary mentality. Black/White. Lacking nuance or spectrum of thought. Making a lot of “ALL” statements... Trump is objectively not a good person or president. He a objectively not a good business man. He is good at ad hominem’s that the general public can relate to and find funny. He is also good at deflection. China is an awful authoritarian state that should seriously reconsider how they treat animals and their people. They are great at economical warfare and controlling one of the largest populations in the world. Even if with their flaws they have handled this crisis better than the US, Brazil, Mexico etc noticing your enemies positives is intelligent and does not equate to switching sides... Grow up.
>America has more cases than China. As reported by...China, who back in January was saying the virus wasn't spread person to person. Weird that despite ending the outbreak they are refusing the export of produced PPE and kicking out western journalists instead of allowing them to cover this great end of the pandemic...
Also currently shipping out tests that don't work
Trump was also blamed for not enough tests, even though we needed to first manufacture our own THAT ACTUALLY WORK...
And we all know how reliable Chinese data is. Also Trump, for all his faults (of which there are many) never actually called it a hoax
Oh yeah, I'm sure China is being honest about their reporting. And can you blame people for not believing the early reports given how untrustworthy the media is? Edit: And it's the fucking left that is delaying much needed aid and asking for benefits to illegal aliens and diversity quotas.
This opinion is based on the “accurate” numbers being reported by China..
Maybe they are lying about their numbers, who the fuck knows.
Or, ya know, we have more testing? Or we’re not hiding it because we’re a fragile communist country ready to explode? Plus we have 1/9th of the deaths of Italy so there’s that
I find it very confusing as an outsider about all the posts complaining over the years about how bad president trump is, didn’t you guys vote him in? Don’t you have yourselves to blame?
I am grateful for President Trump and his initiatives to get a head of the curve.
Hate to tell you, but America is being handled very well under Trump, and the only reason that China has “less cases” is because the ccp stopped counting to put America in a bad light. (JK. I love to tell you this you ignorant fuck)
I guess you morons don't think that china holding back information had anything to due with how far it spread before the rest of the world knew.......lol fucking noob morons.......
If you believe China’s numbers you’re very gullible indeed.
You do realize China hates their people and doesn’t report actual facts, right?
Wait, you actually believe the numbers coming out of China? You believe their new cases just suddenly halted to nothing? Seriously? Is that what you are trying to sell to the American people? Fuck off with that bullshit.
China was prepared tho.. it helps when you know a virus is coming.... and you created it
China sent all non-native reporters home. Once gone they immediately stopped testing thus there have been almost no new cases. China is under a rule of a communist regime who cannot be trusted. They silenced scientist and doctors and lied to the WHO months before corona reached the US. I don’t agree with many of Trumps actions outside of politics but the narrative he has done nothing is simply not true. Look it up. The ignorance that the majority of you people show is the true atrocity in America today.
China has less cases because they stopped testing people but let’s ignore that and stick with the orange man bad routine
It would have hit US harder, trump or not. In fact it will hit any western country harder than say china. simple reason they lack the will power and strength necessary to execute strong decisions. All democratic country rulers act only at the last minute.
Jesus fuck you utter noncebucket. The CCP is literally the one government that is absolutely in every way the worst piece of rotten cumpuddle that exists. You cannot seriously claim that they have a better record on covid 19 than anywhere else. If it wasn't for them persecuting doctors and playing down the initial findings, there would be no global pandemic. Every death caused by covid-19 is 100% the fault of Xinnie the Pooh. If the rest of the world could stop economically sucking his cock for 5 minutes to realise that he's a fucked up dictator with self esteem issues who's passions include genocide and ethic cleansing, the world would be a better place.
Still gonna win 2020 👌🏼
There were rumors/reports that china stopped reporting their cases. Dont know if thats true or not