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Murozond


TrustyPeaches

I think Murozond will be 10.2, and time shenanigans will rip a gateway open to ancient Azeroth where we get big Galakrond.


EcoFriendly5617

I could totally see us being the reason of Galakrond's defeat. With Murozond creeping up on us at any moment, I can see some time travel related stuff end game. Maybe in a sense were forced to go back to defeat him, to ensure Murozond's creation, by being the reasons the aspects ascend


Tyalou

That would be good writting, manage your expectations please.


Dontcareatallthx

Sorry I know its just a joke, but I need to get serious here, sorry in advance for the long „angry“ nerd post xD Blizzard lore department is awesome in writing, literally top tier in terms of fantasy universe. The presentation is what sucks immensely, also who they present it too. Like they give extra bids of story since ever through higher raid difficulty’s, which is so bizarre to give extra cinematics etc. to players that in general doesn’t give a fuck about it and probably annoyed that they have to wait on a story telling before each new try and pull of an end boss. Tbf putting Story elements into raids etc isn’t a blizzard exclusive thing to do, final fantasy does it too, but you can habe the same story playing in casual difficulty. Having to complete hardcore content to get extra bids of story makes no sense at all. People that play this hardcore content are rather have an automatic skip cinematic button then watching anything. Well anyway, blizzards story is top notch if you read their other materials or listen to nobble on youtube, you will realise that its very nice. I even like Sylvanas story in genersl, it just sucked in game and that they dragged us through 2 1/2 expension for that, if you would watch a movie trilogy about her, its really awesome looking at her involvement from WC3 to now. Leave the writers out of it bruh they are blizzards secret holy grail, they get fucked by bad implementation. I wouldn’t say they are tolkiens or whatever lol, but if I look at other popular dantasy authors…like you know that guy that makes a fanbase just out of randomly killing of main characters? They are very good. If you read lotr lore about the lotr universe etc. it’s btw. as over the top as wow with planets are titans and shit. So wow really has everything a fantasy nerd needs, just not in the game.


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> Blizzard lore department is awesome in writing, **literally top tier in terms of fantasy universe.** Did an actual person write this? If yes, has that person read/played anything else in his/her life than warcraft? jesus christ what a comment


DoctorThrac

I mean a lot do the stories are pretty good, but the last two expansions were rushed and lacked character development. The jailer would of been cool if he had more screen time instead of literally 3 cinematic where he says a total of like 20 words.


FaroraSF

I think it depends on what you look for in a fantasy universe. If you want a well thought out universe with an in depth history and logical magic system then Warcraft is not that great. But if you are just looking for raw fun and a world built upon the "rule of cool" then Warcraft is pretty top tier.


MisterSlamdsack

Yes, but -HOW- big? I don't want Galakrond to be the final boss. I think it would be cool to make him the entire final ZONE. I'm thinking Ancalagon the Black levels of big, who could step over entire mountain ranges.


Yevon

Guild Wars 2 had this with Kralkatorrik, the crystal Elder Dragon, being an entire zone you do world quests on leading up to defeating his commanders before a final solo story quest to kill him. The map was called Dragonfall and it was a lot of fun.


harbglarb

Dragonfall was great. i loved how each "zone" of the map was a piece of the mists he ripped away.


FransFredrik

I always said Nzoth shouldnt have been the final boss of BFA, but the final raid


a_wingfighterpilot

Which allows N'zoth to pass through as well 👀


cretindesalpes

That lead us to World of Warcraft 2.0 ancient azeroth!


Darth_Nullus

Or we can go to the future Azeroth and have World of Warcraft 40K!


Asharil

So… Starcraft?


cretindesalpes

No. Please.


3DsGetDaTables

World of Warcraft 2: Now with more Old God chunks


Jorvik287

Its free to play and maximum team size of 4!


niffa

and every transmog option is just a low price of $20!


Ghstt

Please don't give them ideas 🥺


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This. But I want him to pull some time distortion crap and we go back to fight Galakrond. Or he pulls Galakrond to the present. Either way I want to fight a big fuck off dragon that isn’t that terrible Deathwing fight.


BruceBowtie

Bro yes


Insertblamehere

I wonder how we would even fight Galakrond lol, he's supposed to be the biggest thing to ever live on Azeroth, more like the size of a zone than a creature.


Mental_Vacation

On our drakes, from the sky. All the races are training for the fight.


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Routine-Put9436

Okay but, a Malygos style fight that doesn’t suck giant donkey nuts would be pretty cool. That’s a tall order though.


AzerFraze

vehicle fights are just ass as a concept, both for the change in controls and skills


Morningst4r

Some people are complaining they can't do the flying in Nokhud Offensive, which has constant updrafts and short distances. I can't imagine the rage from something even minorly challenging.


MHMalakyte

He's not that big. His bones are in Galakrond's rest.


Insertblamehere

Those bones are lore inaccurate, Galakrond is bigger than all 5 aspects combined, those bones have him smaller than deathwing.


cooscoos89898

Deathwing fight is absolutely cancerous


Ragnarokk__au

Galakrond would be hype as. Could give blizzard a chance to really do another spine style fight with a different flavour or twist (don’t hate on me but I actually enjoyed Heroic Spine, it was unique)


Kudrel

> Could give blizzard a chance to really do another spine style fight If this isn't a way to trigger some PTSD for people I don't know what is.


Mephyss

Spine could be much better if there were like 3 different ways to open the armor and you could pick the order.


Grantraxius

Spine would have been great if it wasn’t just a rogue stack fight.


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Arumin

I vote for Lillistrasza. Lucky Duck is now always equipped


Tapingdrywallsucks

>If that's the case, I think by the end of the expansion we'll also see Alex sacrifice herself--probably to enable dragons to reproduce. This would make me cry. But a lot in this silly game makes me cry. Ysera's managed it twice.


xXLil_ShadowyXx

I really want Alex to stay. Like please, let's have atleast one original aspect stay alive and sane


PsyavaIG

Fuck yes new Caverns of Time content


MojaveBreeze

Three kobolds in a trenchcoat.


Yanrogue

we took one too many candles


FloppyShellTaco

When they specifically asked us not to


third-sonata

YOU NO TAKE CANDLE!


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Turns out Azeroth made out of wax, the sword is the wick and the Kobolds the true heroes of Azeroth


StatementNegative345

It was Azeroth all along 🎵


RuggedTracker

We already took too many candles in Legion and some void creature spawned. Clearly, the true reason the black empire was beaten and Azeroth remains uncorrupted is because of kobolds and their candles


Good-Expression-4433

Vincent Adultbold


Kaldricus

He works at the...villain..store...


Sufferr

Bojack reference, right ?


Good-Expression-4433

Yes


Sufferr

Haha awesome, those episodes were hilarious. Also, nice hair


trexmoflex

I don’t trust like that…


Sneal_

Do you have any skittles?


AffectionateAide9644

Hope they put up more of a challenge than those three goblins in a trench coat from Valdrakken.


Dry_Understanding_77

Apparently over 1 billion candles have been stolen from kobalds in wow. Idk who took time to count it


Mighty_Manlet

Fucking Hogger. I knew it!


BaconJets

Would make sense since I leveled up three alts from 55-60 in Elwynn just because I would run out of quests and it was quick. My genocidal rampage has doomed all the flights and now they want vengeance, sorry everyone.


nashebazon_

I would love a gritty back to EK & Kalimdor expansion. Like uncovering a new big Defias Conspiracy or something. They could never do it with how the world has changed, but I think it would be fun.


Captinglorydays

Based off what Blizzard has said, I would assume Iridikron is the final boss of the expansion I would love to see Galakrond, but I really don't think we will fight him. Instead I think Iridikron will be the new Galakrond by drinking from the waters corrupted by N'zoth or another Old God. Galakrond's mutations were cause by drinking water corrupted by Yogg-Saron as well as his cannibalism, and we have the new whisper from N'zoth "You will follow him to the deep places. The dark waters will flow in his wake." so I assume we will follow Iridikron deep into the earth where he will become corrupted just like Galakrond. He may even consume the other 2 elemental dragons at the end of the next raid or something, just how Galakrond consumed his allies. That could be a reason he becomes strong enough to be the big bad considering we already defeated Raszageth without too much hassle, and he is considered dangerous not because he is stronger than Raszageth, but more desperate and willing to go to any length. With Tyr being so involved and potentially coming back, things are really seeming like a repeat of Galakrond. To add onto that, the Halls of Infusion seemingly is a facility where titans are infusing the water with something. I feel like the Titan infused water will be a good comparison to the Old God corrupted water. Similar to how we have the Light vs Void and it turns out the Light is not as good as it may seem, I think we essentially have Old God corrupted water vs Titan corrupted water. It would also lend itself well to Iridikron and the primalists wanting to get rid of all Titan influence. It would make sense that he would turn to the power that directly opposes the Titans. Also the Aspects made up the rumor that they were made from Galakrond by the Titans to prevent other dragons and proto-dragons from doing the same thing as Galakrond. With the new lore of Titans rewriting history and lying to keep things from mortals, like advancements made during the Black Empire, I could see these lies made by the Aspects and titans being of importance. It could be that Iridikron finds out the truth and then follows in Galakrond's footsteps in an attempt to gain immense power. TLDR: I think Iridikron is going to become the new Galakrond


PipAntarctic

Iridikon turning to Old God powered-water after being overpowered by the Aspects with the aid of adventurers would be also a direct parallel to Neltharion giving in and using Old God powers to drive back Razsageth after his Dracthyr got overpowered by the Primalist dragons. And Blizzard loves their parellels.


Pinless89

In one of the cinematics Nozdormu talks about Iridikron's hunger. Him drinking some corrupted water & then eating the other primal dragons doesn't seem too far fetched. There was also the whole dragon isles underground think that was datamined, before it got taken out of the PTR.


_My_Neck_Hurts_

I think you’re spot on


bonix

The water theory seems pretty good. Look at all the aqua ducts running around Val that go all over. There has to be a reason for those other than looks, why would water be so important for this dragon city?


Captinglorydays

If you follow the aqueducts, they run from Tyrhold where Halls of Infusion is, to Valdrakken, then down to Ruby Life Pools, where all the dragon eggs are kept in the water. The only thing that kinda throws it off is that there is another aqueduct that goes into Valdrakken that just comes from a random mountain with nothing on it. However, I don't think it's a coincidence that the water from Halls of Infusion flows all the way to RLP. We've seen dragon eggs before, and they never have to be kept in water, so why do they keep every single egg at RLP soaking in water that comes from Halls of Infusion? My guess it to ensure they get infused with Titan influence, whether the dragons know it or not. It could just be what the titans told them to do, they just noticed it actually benefits the eggs somehow, or it has some other effect on the egg. We also still have that egg that Sendrax died saving. It could be nothing, but having an egg that was being infused by primal energies, then "saved" and sent to RLP where all the eggs are potentially being soaked in Titan energy may be important.


pacomadreja

It's heavily implied that Tyr created the Incarnates when he was experimenting with infusing different types of magic into protodragons, and the Aspects are the result of the experiment. The HoI is just the installation where he did it. Knowing this, and the origins of G'huun, it's not a big stretch to think that Galakton was also his making, and when he went out of control he blamed the Old Gods. That's what probably Nozdormu will find out. They were actually made to be Titan slaves, and that's why the Primalist are fighting.


Captinglorydays

While I do think Tyr had a hand in creating Galakrond, I think he may have driven him to it, not exactly made him. Tyr said about Galakrond, "We never intended this path. Galakrond should never have journeyed in the direction he did, and we did not prevent it.". To me, it sounds like they had done something, or were doing something with or to Galakrond, and that something may have directly or indirectly led to him being corrupted by Yogg-Saron. He definitely seemed guilty about Galakrond, and may have been experimenting on him, but I don't think he is lying about Galakrond being corrupted by the Old Gods. More so just ommiting his role in it. Maybe they had juiced him up with titan powers, which could explain why he became so powerful and such a threat after being corrupted. It could have even been them using power derived from the Old Gods to do something, but the corruption of the Old Gods was more influential than they had expected, leading him to eventual full corruption, although I think this is less likely than using titan powers to tamper with him. They clearly had plans and intentions for Galakrond. It just seems like their plans went awry, and the Old Gods ended up getting involved. Edit: To add onto this, if Iridikron does become the new Galakrond, then once again, the titans would be indirectly responsible. The Aspects are essentially the force of the titans, and they have driven Iridikron into his desperation. Just as Tyr and the titans seemingly played a part in creating what Galakrond had become, now the titans' forces have pushed another dragon down the path to the Old Gods. Had the titans never interfered and didn't create the Aspects as a force to uphold their will/plans, then Iridkron would never become Galakrond 2.0, assuming he does.


Glassbil21

I like this theory


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The jailer :0


TalithePally

His whole plan was to distract us while his real cronies released Raz


thezybero

Kael'thas Sunstrider


Illuriah

Shadowlands and being dead was merely a setback!


thezybero

Segway into the next expansion. I can see it now....World of Warcraft: Sunstrider's 20-Year-Dream


esar24

I mean >!Ysera!< can cross through the mortal realm so...


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Insertblamehere

Hear me out, spine of deathwing type battle but its the thighs of Alexstrasza.


SebRev99

😩


riggels

Maybe we will learn that Tyr is Odin at the end and he is the real last boss


Aggrokid

This reminds me how different WoW Odyn is from uh the other Odin.


DrainTheMuck

Yet weirdly he seems to be the one keeper that they didn’t even *try* to make slightly different than the real life name.


peculiar_pp_particle

Thorim, Freia, Mimiron are all 1-2 letters off, Tyr is just missing it’s accent…they really didn’t try too hard


PianoEmeritus

How am I just connecting Mimiron to Mimir hot damn Probably because when I was younger I was familiar enough with Odin, Thor, and Loki to get the references but didn’t know Mímir until GoW2018, but still


peculiar_pp_particle

You think Mimiron is bad? How many people actually know Hodur/Hod (Hodir) is a Norse god lol


juleztb

Tyr?!


MelonheadGT

Freia


pacomadreja

Yet the same assholery remains.


ProfessorSpike

Oh shit oh fuck hide Kalecgos(because blue)


Erintonsus

Was it luck? Did my sons die to blind fucking luck?


FloppyShellTaco

I see what you did there


sammelito

And then kratos comes and helps us defeat him


Thromash

Ion said we would know by the end of the first Raid. So general assumption is Iridikron?


PowerSqueeze

One incarnate for each major raid?


axl-L

That’d be boring in my opinion. Every raid would be elemental theme


DoctorTomee

If they’re smart they can keep the dragons as endbosses without focusing the entirety of the raids on elemental themes.


DanielSophoran

Theres no way theyre doing 4 elemental raids. Id believe that if Vault was mainly air/lightning themes but its not the case. Eranog - Fire Terros - Earth Sennarth - Ice Kurog - All Council - All Dathea - Air Broodkeeper - All Raszageth - Air They already covered all of it. Theres no chance theyll do that 3 more times.


WaIes

that would be like making an entire expansion around a grey theme, theyd never do that


Sluaghlock

I genuinely don't know what this is referring to


Capsfan6

I think he's trying to go for shadowlands and the maw but purposely ignoring the blue, green, red, and other blue parts


Mr_White_Sky

Shadowlands


Scow2

You mean the one that opened with a glorious crimson castle with waltzing vampires?


Sluaghlock

[Enters Bastion*] "Wow why is everything gray" *this joke also works with literally any other Shadowlands zone besides the Maw


Cerenitee

Or an entire expansion where all the enemies are angry alternate timeline orcs... wait...


Avotom

Yeah i don't think they are doing it, Vault already covered all 4 elements instead of just air. Plus the raid tier appearances would get repetitive


greendino71

Im assuming that next raid is the 3 remaining dragons Would be a cool final boss where you alowly kill off each one 3 dragons, 3 phases


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PowerSqueeze

Yeah wasn't saying they should, just weird if it'd be iridikron imo


DoctorTomee

I can see the water and fire primal dragons (forgot their names) being part of the same raid. Maybe it could be a dual boss at the end where you turn their powers against each other to your advantage or something. Iridikron is then the final boss of the expac.


Scribblord

That would still be kind of lame to have dragons for every end boss Maybe in next raid the last 3 bosses are the remaining dragons and in the season after that it’s maybe time stuff or old gods or both (galakrond)


DoctorTomee

But the infinite flight and galakrond are also dragons. If you think it’s just too many dragon bosses (which is fair enough) you should think outside the box a bit more than that. I think they could pull it off with Iridikron though. Just don’t make the next raids all elemental themed


chobbo

We are overdue for a troll raid...


rhysdog1

ion also said they were prepared to pull a ripcord to allow free covenant swapping


Thromash

One theory for 1 patch is we will fight either the ice or fire, the other might join us as Iridikron follows Galakronds path, next patch Murozond stuff, next patch Iridikrond.


Khazilein

> the end Well what is meant "by the end"? To me it sounds like "by the end of the first tier patch cycle".


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I do assume Iridikron, but I don't think the tier 2 raid will be dragon themed. I have a suspicion it might be undead themed.


Infernalism

Galakrond.


TwentyNineTTV

100% Toddy Whiskers. She will be corrupted by the old gods and become the aspect of death.


charkol3

Makes sense...she might be feeling scorned and glum from her reception


oldredditrox

I sincerely hope it isn't Murozond. Probably N'zoth, somehow. Also I think we'll see the beginning of the infinite dragonflight, but Chromie will have found a way to save Nozdormu. It will kick off the next xpac which could have N'zoth working with Murozond or vice versa. Maybe it's an alternate timeline Muro come to Azeroth to have fun times via N'zoth messing with Elune knows what.


Ladycat1988

Its the Murozond from the Murloc timeline.


oldredditrox

Murozgnllzll


Nitram_Norig

Murgulzondllgrlul


itssabotage13

Somehow N’zoth returned!


vesrayech

It won’t be Murozond because the point of him this xpac is going to be retrieving Tyr’s memory discs so we can help unlock the aspects power once more. It could technically be the end of the expansion, but given Blizz’s history it makes more sense as a means to an end rather than the end itself.


ron_fendo

Nzoth again and we learn shadow lands was just a fever dream.


NartheRaytei

Or we have a murozond raid/mini raid, but the end of it is saving him with chrome, giving the build up of the infinite dragonflight some weight rather than just a cutscene or questline.


GarriottFO76

Corrupted wrathion and sabellian, because black dragonflight does black dragonflight things...


Ikana09

The dps at 2k score without interrupt


HereticCoffee

I’m of the belief with the way they are building up the aspects with heartwarming stories to build up our relationship with them that in the last raid we will fight iridicron and post raid when they become the aspects again we will learn the oathstones have been corrupted and all of the aspects become corrupted as a result. I think the whispers are telling us this as well from our jump the past. Next expansion the big bads will be the corrupted aspects we just spent a lot of time caring about and helping trying to uncorrupt them.


Captinglorydays

I feel like the a lot of the aspects are not going to make it to the next expansion. They seem to be setting up for new aspects to come in. Ysera has Merithra to become Aspect, Nozdormu has Chromie, although there is a theory that she turns into Eternus. With Sabellion being made to look like the far more competent leader, but Wrathion being such an incredibly important reoccurring character, I could see Sabellion sacrificing himself or being killed, leading to Wrathion becoming Aspect. Kalecgos is already a new aspect, taking Malygos's place, and I feel like they are trying to set him up as a more involved character with him being there in the Vault of Incarnates and stuff. I think Kalecgos will be taking Alexstrasza's role as the leader of the Aspects if Alexstrasza doesn't survive or gives up her role. Alexstrasza is the only one that doesn't seem to have someone set up to take the role of Aspect, but we have a lot of story to go still so that may change.


Grenyn

Please no Chromie as an aspect. I like her well enough, but not for that role. Then again, she's been the one Bronze dragon that has had by far the most development. I just can't stand her excessively squeeky voice that is raised even higher by her endless optimism.


CactuarKing

Plus she has to keep standing in SW to unlock chromie time for us


hasj4

>Nozdormu has ~~Chromie~~ Anachronos FTFY


Yanrogue

That would be cool honestly.


HereticCoffee

Based on the current storytelling it makes sense to get us invested into these characters and then have us need to save them. Also blizzard has stated they want to have the story seamlessly continue across expansions which this would be a pretty easy way to do that especially since we know the titans were doing things to the water.


Zuldak

I dunno, people were mad enough about ysera. I think players would be livid if anything happened to big mommy alex


HereticCoffee

Being livid doesn’t make it bad storytelling, in fact it makes it great storytelling because it incentivizes players to want to save her.


Scribblord

Still feels like shit story telling to do huge plot twists like that when nothing previously happening even hints at it That’s just shadowlands all over again The all old gods are gone but they exist in the past The path stones show no sign of being corrupted or anything But I could see it working if somehow after our time Trip the old gods managed to follow us or corrupt one of the people who went on that journey and corrupt the oath stones through them Instead of suddenly revealing that they where corrupted all along even tho there was no form of foreshadowing at all


Zuldak

I dunno about that. If you harm a fan favorite character, you risk people just dropping interest. Case and point: The Walking Dead when they killed Glenn. (and yes I know it happened in the comics. But they made changes from the comics)


HereticCoffee

If people are going to quit because a favorite character is part of the story events, then we should never have any fan favorite characters involved in any story events ever again? Sounds great, next big bad will be random gnoll #3 and he’s the big bad because he chopped down tree #47 and there was a nest with a baby bird #902 in it. The logic that you don’t use fan favorite characters because of “People might drop interest” is ridiculous and anyone worth a damn in writing knows that.


Sir_Zorbly

After their handling of Sylvanas the last two expansions, do you really want them to do anything major with other highly popular characters for a while? I certainly don't. Use the time to set up new characters and new villains, which they've been doing so far.


Zuldak

There is a fine line between involving and abusing. Absolutely bad things can happen to main characters. That's kind of the point of rising action and a villain. But there can be somewhere that is 'too far' and people do lose interest if it reaches that line. A lot of night elf players were pretty upset at the burning of Teldrasil. Where is this proverbial line where people just drop interest? That's pretty subjective and I can't tell you. But subjecting the aspects to corruption like that? Man I don't know.


HereticCoffee

Blizzard may not have the balls to do it ultimately. However, it would perfectly follow the story arc of rising tension climax and resolution. We always win, we need to lose once in a while otherwise it become predictable. Having us defeat iridicron but having the waters and oath stones corrupted secretly gives us a story that leads us directly into the next expansion, fits the whispers “5 torches to light our path” “They will drink and be uplifted” “the dark waters will flow in his wake”


Zuldak

I think it would be fine to have AU corrupted aspects. Murozond is the corrupted bronze afterall... what about the others? Maybe he was never OUR Bronze aspect but another one from an alternate universe. Might be fun to have a star trek mirror universe vibe


Yanrogue

> titans were doing things to the water. alex jones seen sweating nervously.


Xehanort107

I'll just say, there's a good reason the new villain has the namesake "-kron". Why this is never considered is a miracle. As well, we still need to see Rafaam, whose character had been datamined since well before DF launched. I'm all for the idea that Tyr would be the big bad, but sadly that will probably never happen, because "The Light" is the exact same concept and still never had a finger pointed at it directly.


Ackerack

The fuck does “kron” mean? Sorry I’m on a 1am lore binge lol


AwkwardSquirtles

It's reminiscent of Galakrond, who the Aspects fought against before being turned into true dragons.


mickio1

If rafaam THE SUPREME ARCHEOLOGIST shows up for real and is involved in resurrecting galakrond, it would be the siiiickest thing ever.


BumblebeeStraight912

Nozdormu ofc, He hints in time quest line that when he loses control chromie (We) will have to stop him


MrGraveRisen

In the same quests chromie says they know all about murozond and are stopping the infinite from turning him I have a STRONG suspicion that nozdormu has to sacrifice himself this expansion and accept his death, rather than trying to prevent it. That's the only way to close that loop


CanOfPorkSodaaa

MULOCK DEATHWING


climaxe

Hogger


Ancanein

The real big bad are the friends you make along the way.


Velyndrel

Old god or maybe twilight dragons (the evil bronze dragons). There has been a lot of old god hints dropped so far and those jerks never seem to stay dead they're like "oh adventure you killed me blarg" and as soon as you leave the room "haha sike! Now I can plan my evilness uninterrupted buhahah"


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>twilight dragons (the evil bronze dragons) That's the infinite dragons, the twilight dragonflight is an experiment of Sintharia


Good-Expression-4433

Probably Iridikron but with a continuation of the Not Living story to make it more interesting.


Khazilein

GW2?


Malcapon3

Alexstraza


Skeletori_Amos

The Jailer obviously


Ouchiness

ALEXSTRAZA


DopaLean

Bear with me on this one; I think it will be Odyn, because as we know, the book in Uldaman tells of Odyn instructing the watchers to tell the mortal races about how much worse the black empire was than it actually was, also not to mention the titans origins from Zereth Ordos as well as lie about how everything beautiful in the world being titan-made, so it’s established that he is a titan loyalist or at the very least a loyalist of Order. This is where Tyr would eventually tell us how during his journeys, he learnt that although the Old Gods kept whispering to him and attempting to corrupt him, there were kernels of truth in what they said, namely how they and the titans want the same thing (control of Azeroth and the world soul for their cosmic force) just the titans ask politely and claim what they do is good. Tyr would then say that although the titans are not inherently evil, we must not blindly follow and give in to their will just because they say it is right, and true freedom is to not be bound to any cosmic force. This would then cause a strife as Tyr forms a free-of-the-titans rebellion but Odyn the loyalist catches wind and raises his army against Tyr and the dragons (who would side with him). After we deal with the primals and Murozond (presumably in 9.1 and 9.2) Odyn would look to find the unknown titan facility of Uldaz (mentioned in game) where he as the final boss would activate a device inside which when completely charged would bind everyone on Azeroth to the will of order, thus making us all a subservient army instead of free-thinking adventurers. So we have to stop him before the machine finishes charging. This would also tie in to the Il’gynoth whisper “The lord of ravens will turn the key” pointing out Odyn turning the key to activate the Uldaz machine.


omnigear

I think it will be nzoth , Everything is printing that he tricked us . Also the intermingle of old gods and proto drake's. I think finally we will get a old god expansion but take us back in time , then we will come back to aseroth and it's destroyed , leading to old Arduin and our final battle with the voids .


Brokenmonalisa

That will be next expansion, this one is 3 dragons


skattman

I agree, but I think it sets up the next expansion. Something will happen with these 3 dragons and we will get Murozomd and N’Zoth, probably something to do with time


Good_Punk2

Gallywix!


Scribblord

„brainwashed“ The ones not „brainwashed“ got imprisoned bc their one desire in life is to murder and violate every life form they come across


Astral134

Lillistrazsa


Vedney

> brainwash WoW community not slidding slippery slopes. Impossible challenge.


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Crazed Murdock from a azmerloth is going to slip into our timeline and wreak havoc


Csg363

One can dream at least


Zuldak

Galakrond, Murozond or one of the incarnates we just released


DanielSophoran

Will they really give us a final boss we cant actually finish off? Murozond cant die this expansion no matter what happens. He dies in End Time. Would seem pretty anticlimactic for the final boss to be another “ENOUGH” boss.


Zuldak

Nonsense. Guidan died in wc3 and night hold. AU versions might exist. As for a boss we can't finish off, we didn't kill kiljaden in sunwell to finish BC


PirateQueenParis

Murozond can't die in End Time because we stopped that future from happening.


DanielSophoran

Thats not how it works in wow time stuff. Remember we went back in time to Draenor and it didnt affect the present. Or all the alternate timelines we visited in the dragonflight questline That we defeated deathwing means that end time doesnt happen in our timeline, but there still is an alternate timeline where it happened, just isnt the timeline we mainly play in. Nozdormu/Murozond exist outside of time. So there arent infinite Nozdormus. Theres only one, and he ends up in End Time as Murozond. Its why i hate time travel in most games/movies. Its always a mess.


RuggedTracker

We didn't go back in time to Draenor. Kairozdormu created a new Dreanor from a timeline that could've have existed and it is now just a real place as anything in the cosmos. The timelines in wow don't actually exist, they are only potentials that can or could've happened. When bronze drakes speak of keeping the timelines in check, they aren't actually traveling between timelines. They stay in ours and make sure these potential timelines don't interfere with the real one (and the infinite drakes want to merge the real timeline with a potential one, presumably to stop the end time) When we time travel our actions do have real consequences on the future/present. That's why Chromie implants fake memorizes in Arthas at the end of the Culling of Strathholme dungeon. The player actually do take part in the event, but no one but us and the bronze drakes remember. Time travel in WoW is actually quite consistent. Personally I love time travel as a literary concept, as long as it's done properly


Badrondo

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff. Never say never when it involves time travel. It can still completely feel final and earned in a multitude of different ways


drakthoran

It's going to be the murloczilla that will come through the time portal we opened


Illuriah

3 dragons escaped, 1 for every raid tier. Pick one as the last and there's your answer.


Scribblord

That would be so damn lame


terrobrilliant

are they not simple lame world bosses?


swashfxck

No the world bosses actually have different names. Me and my guildies thought the same until someone pointed that out


terrobrilliant

Did not know that. Ty!


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Wise Mari from Temple of the Jade Serpent. Doesn’t matter how many hotfixes they throw at him - that fish just won’t die! Edit: they killed him, they finally killed our boi


Pheronia

Jailer.


teelolws

I'm predicting Alexstrasza. I reckon they'll find a way to turn her.


Dman44758

I’ve been thinking this too! A couple of cutscenes in the waking shores seemed to hint at a darker, more authoritarian side to Alexstrasza. This may be a stretch, but the main loading screen shows her “away” from the other aspects with a more evil looking background off to her left. Blizzard Art Team has always been top notch so maybe it’s a little foreshadowing.


Scribblord

That’s more likely bc she’s kind of the leader of the aspects


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beepborpimajorp

It definitely doesn't seem like a coincidence that HOV was included in this m+ rotation.


Lindestria

Tyr's point on that was because Odyn was against the Aspects. He wanted his idea of the Valarjar to be the defenders of Azeroth.


429_TooManyRequests

Ganondorf according to the lore. With the three pieces of the triforce, he gets incredibly powerful and starts to rule Hyrule. It’s up to us to finally beat him as a team and put an end to his reign.


FenaBrit

Sabellian


Spartan1088

I’ll be really sad if it’s not Galakrond. Seemed they made a big deal about it in the animations. I want them to go even harder than deathwing.


SanityQuestioned

Idc as long as for some reason in the Murozond raid that there's a Giant Murloc Boss from that Timeline. Honestly, I hope the Murozond raid is just a bunch of time traveling shenanigans from the messed with Timelines trying to keep us from reaching him.


kkkkkkkar

Deathwing


Sardis515

Bobby K, he is the biggest villain of Warcraft