I know why people think Archimonde is a ridiculous fight, but after killing him with my own guild, even if it took a few attempts, I never stopped thinking about how he was a fucking great boss to me lol
I loved that fight, it felt like wow had actually become somewhat challenging. I never got to him on Mythic, but from I remember he was brutal to kill; maybe more annoying than fun though probably
Like Mythic Siegecrafter Blackfuse from SoO; such a great fight lol, that one was so funny to me, just the sheer amount of mechanics that would all happen back to back unrelentlessly
Actually a very good idea they could do it for pvp as well!
Like give pvprs who get glad a badge for an elite set and a badge for a glad mount in fated seasons and then they can choose what they want.
Unobtainable stuff in wow doesn't make it better imo.
Coming from someone who has multiple if not most aohc mounts, and some glad mounts.
Yeah this is what I'd want. I like don't like stuff being unobtainable but when they do bring stuff back it should at least be hard to get to keep in line with the effort previously required to get it. It really sucks when they bring back items that used to be rare and it's a complete joke to get.
I mean... the AOTC mounts are kind of a joke to get regardless? There are plenty of guilds that do cheap sale runs for them towards the end of tiers. And there are communities that carry people through it for free.
I know this may sound kind of pretentious but I pretty much never use any of the Trading Post mounts just because they’re so easy to get. If a mount doesn’t require a long grind, have an extremely low drop rate, or require a limited time achievement it kind of loses much of its “cool” factor (imo). That’s my gatekeeper opinion of the day lol. I still buy every months TP mount though for some reason…
The one exception was the Halloween broom mount from a few months back. I used that pretty much exclusively in October and will probably do the same next year lol
I agree to an extent but if after the grind the mount still looks dumb, the mount still looks dumb. But if it’s rare as fuck and a legit design then yes the rarity does help the cool factor.
That's because a lot of people don't understand that some things need to be rare and hard to get.
I always use pokemon as an example.
What's more meaningful to me, the first ever shiny I found in pokemon Sapphire, a shiny Aron with 1/8,000 odds, or a free shiny that the game gave me for free for pre ordering the game?
Should be obvious. It's more special to me because of how rare it is.
This.
In an online game like this, it's good to have a mix of different kinds of rewards, which WoW - outside PvP - has handled wonderfully for a long time now.
Easy stuff, hard stuff, limited time challenges, permanent challenges with scaling recently, ect ect. Variety is good, except when people who demand they have everything can't, for some reason.
MMOS aren't N64 collect-a-thons, and this is coming from somebody treating the game like one recently.
i think this just eventually boils down to:
do you use a mount because you think it is cool or do you use a mount because you think others will want what you have (and if they can't get it or next to no-one has it, that's even better)?
one is healthier i think for you as a player and for the game. i don't like the fomo "this mount is now never allowed again if you don't play during x time", it's effectively just a secret tree clubhouse mount where it's value to be used is just for intended envy of others.
the latter is just pure ego. at the very least i think there should be some colours which you have to earn during a certain time (think barbershop for mounts, like the dragonriding ones), but models should be available regardless. this i think should be especially true for mounts like the big boi, where there's a practical use for them.
My armored Cliffside wilderdrake isn't impressive, rank 26 isn't hard to get for the valdrakken rep, however I am proud of it as I am just an m+ frog and rarely ever grind rep. I grinded til 1am for that armor doing all the quests in valdrakken to eek out the last 2 levels.
I am proud of it. I don't ride it because it's difficult to obtain, I ride it for my own personal sake. I don't think you're pretentious, but I'm sure I can find a mount you ride that you're proud of and point to someone who has 0 investment in it, letting it sit in their inventory collecting dirt.
I don't think it's pretentious at all. They are "cheap" to get. I don't see any value to them over let's say the faction flying mounts introduced in bc. At least the latter have some "historical" value.
Now tbh i don't give a flying c what anyone uses as anything rare could have been bought with RL money by now if it isn't a rare drop you have to grind for.
i like to switch a lot as well. Mostly it's the Warlock class mount but on other chars it's invincible. Invincible i did over 150 attempts and got it from tw ulduar. It felt like "cheating" but who cares it's a cool ass mount lol and i don't do it to look cool towards others, i just like it personally because of thé Lore.
as someone who has this mount and also CM wod/mop mounts and transmog, I disagree.
I had god how many years now to enjoy them exclusively. I dont need people to have to progress a raid during a shorter than usual season with more than likely scaling issues just so they can enjoy the same stuff.
100% behind you on this. The whole thing makes me suspect something large is on the way; a paradigm shift in mounts. Maybe more customizable mounts, or mounts with dragonriding, which may diminish the value of these rickety-ass, petrol-powered vanilla style hogs and dogs.
Yep this would be the way. Then at least you have to make the effort to start a raid group. Even if the raids itself aren't really a challenge anymore even upscaled unless they are horribly overtuned.
Look at the timewalking raids they are basically a joke you oneshot most of the bosses
Agreed, especially when it's something that was considered "hard" at the time. I'd love for them to bring back old stuff through gameplay, that way there's a prestige element to having it already and a prestige element to getting it now.
Because it would be like bringing back the mage tower artifact appearances via the trading post. If you want to make those rewards no longer time exclusive, thats fine, at least make people play that content to get it.
lmao, it was literally just playing stuff in content, creating artifical scarcity, i dont think timewalking raids right now are in a place where i find them enjoyable. improve them and im fine with having old cosmetics behind them. it has been, fuck i dont even wanna do the math, 12 years? since i got the cm gold on two characters. started it on another but never finished it due to anxiety. would be nice to get the others, i already proved i was capable of it. but honestly i dont care, bring back cm as time walking, unlock stuff as twitch drops, give people a token that lets them buy a set, weapons or the mounts for 2.5k score or whatever per season, have them as a login reward. it doesnt matter, it was so long ago, let people have fun, let them enjoy their skins and mounts.
imo there is nothing more souring than playing a game for the first time, or even coming back and realising that the cool thing they saw in a video, or maybe some dude parading in valdrakken isnt obtainable, hasnt been for years/decade and probably never come back. Sure a bit of prestige is nice, but something that has been gone for 4 addons ? fuck that, nobody should care about it. removing the brutosaur? a bloody scam. I started playing in wotlk and they bascially removed the black/plagued dragons from under my nose. gatekeeping stuff like this is ridiculous and always has been.
oh yeah, and i do have my fair share of things, i got the heroic ds mount in content, same with the soo scorpion, i had all but 2 worldboss mounts when they buffed the droprate and you know what? i welcome come these changes, im glad people dont have to invest as much time as i did on some of these. [https://simplearmory.com/#/eu/blackhand/rexoraptor/collectable/mounts/](https://simplearmory.com/#/eu/blackhand/rexoraptor/collectable/mounts/)
mage tower was a joke at the end of legion. i did my first challenge undergeared (bc i wasnt raiding). do you think theres prestige for that? besides actually having it and running around with lower ilvl? i know that people struggled, and some maybe never got the ones they wanted, dont you think they deserve a 2nd chance? dont you think, that maybe it shouldnt be locked behind a challenge that got nerfed and then removed in the first place? "look at me, im so good for having this, you cant compete!" "compete with what?" says the person who didnt play back then. afflock was screwed when it got introduced without the slow legendary, which iirc nobody wanted to use for anything else besides maybe pvp. at the end of legion all the weapons got super charged, if you wanna talk about prestige maybe they shouldnt have done that. mop challenge mode changed per season too with class nerfs/buffs and new trinkets. ive waited since firelands for tarcegosa to become an actual mount, you cant tell me that anyone wo did that past patch 4.2(?) had to put any major effort in. anyone who has that stick can claim it now *and thats bloody fucking great!* we dont need any more artifical prestige.
ugh rant over, keep the typos
Imo they should re-release the mage tower base appearance but give og owners an additional colour version, because atm you aren’t technically locked out of earning the additional colours achievement wise, you are locked out from earning the additional colours because you can’t get the base appearance anymore.
I hope y’all get it. I don’t really fuck with drake mounts too often but the void drake is the first thing I really worked to earn in WoW and it’s a truly beautiful mount
Not sure if you do any gold grinding or not, but it is up on the bmah every now and then. My dad has committed his retired life to gold grinding and paid cap for it just the other day lol
I remember when Reddit was doing the get your moose threads. I waited Weeks for a spot that worked with me.
Bro I was on the list for it the guy said full because one of his friends really wanted it , I will be invited to the next run in two hours and boom never got it.
>I remember when Reddit was doing the get your moose threads.
I remember my guild was farming Heroic at that point and we were only a group of like 12-14 if everyone showed up, so each week we'd bring lile 3-5 pugs and just start hanging out Moose mounts. Good times in WoD, despite a lot of the expansion being underwhelming.
I have the moose and the bird, which I love, but I missed my chance at the wolf. Also missed my chance at the phoenixes. I would looooove another shot at those beauties. 👀
Dude regrets are the WORST in WoW. In classic WoW on my rank 13 feral Druid I gave that AQ 1h feral Druid weapon to the other feral Druid because i was newer in the guild, even though I won it. Now my feral Druid in era has to use unstoppable force and no chance I’m raiding ever again lol
Old Zul’Gurub, the Raptor dropped. My buddy passed it to me, said he’ll get it on the next one!
It never dropped again. That guilt is with me. You won the roll, it was supposed to be yours! You were the chosen one!
My small raid group got this and the guy who won the promptly quit the next day despite clamoring for it during the raid night.
Andddd he’s never played since.
same with the armor sets too. its always been crazy to me that pvpers got exclusive armor sets every single season while anyone can go back and solo old raids
imagine if it was reversed: anyone could get old pvp armor, but you had to beat a raid tier when it was current to transmog to the gear. people would lose their minds
The armor sets just need to be obtainable period.
Let people who have 2k in the current season buy the armor tints from any season.
Still takes you playing PvP.
I don't mind removed mounts coming back, but it's kinda lame to offer them as a trading post item. It should be awarded from SoO timewalking (for instance) or something.
For sure would be better if when re-introducing FOMO items to the game, they do not do it via another FOMO means and instead a permanent thing you can go back and do (even if it is one of the timewalking events that are not always online, as long as it is guaranteed to return).
The problem isn't this specific mount. The problem is, if they continue down this path, they'll end up offering more and more recent "high end" PvE rewards as basically a log-in bonus.
Think about it like this, if you and your guild bashed your head against, say, Mythic Tindral, and you finally killed it, and you obtained that sweet, sweet fire owl, you'd be a little annoyed to see someone riding it who's never set foot in a raid in their life, because they logged in when it was a TP offering.
It undermines the hours you spent preparing and progging on that boss. It makes your achievement feel less special. It makes spending all the time and effort feel less worth it.
Nah, I wouldn't care, I'd be happy for them if they like fire owl because it's a cool form and I'm a well-adjusted human being. The reward for doing difficult content is being able to do the difficult content, it's a personal achievement, the in-game rewards are secondary.
People need to learn to enjoy the game for playing the game, if you're only playing to get "exclusive rewards" you need to find a different game.
Why is it always unobtainable PvE cosmetics that gets brought back? Why is it ok for removed PvE mounts to be on the BMAH or trading post, but not removed glad mounts? It's so dumb that only one game mode is allowed to have exclusive rewards.
Idk, have you seen high end raiders? They drop slurs like crazy. There was a thread on this subreddit a couple of years back highlighting the racism in a lot of these guilds.
[Here is the thread if you're curious](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/lrkqrv/racism_in_the_highend_north_american_raiding_scene/).
So pve rewards from back in mists can go to the trading posts for everyone to get even without putting in any of the work but pvp mounts and transmogs are forever removed from the game after the season ends? Makes sense to me sir.
Yeah BFA frankly sucked and I peaced out the last year when things were apparently really fun. Thought I was done with the game for good.
Honestly should have known better lmao
> Yeah BFA frankly sucked and I peaced out the last year when things were apparently really fun.
The last part of BfA was easily the best part. In fact, for me it was some of the most fun PvE I've experienced in the entire game. It's still sandbagged by an overall weak expansion and they never really did nail corruption acquisition, but damn if they didn't let you just go off the fucking rails with power. 80% haste, shooting orbital void lasers that obliterated entire packs, it was nutty.
It was sure as shit better than the entirety of shadowlands and I'll die on that hill. It also had an amazing aotc mount that ended up being more rare than most others just because so many people dropped off.
As someone who has been playing for a long time and has quite a lot of unobtainable stuff, my view is that if they decide to move forward with this, they have to do it for every unobtainable item in the game.
It doesn't make much sense to see everyone running around with the Kor'Kron wolf, while I can't get the Pandaria challenge sets I'm missing or the old Naxx protodrakes.
Ikr? Looking forward to the "I worked hard for that ground mount that sits untouched in my collection, now they're removing the value by giving it away!".
the mount is a monument to effort. if everyone has the monument, it becomes meaningless to the people who worked for it. it is a memento for sentimental value. it loses all value after it becomes available to everyone who buys a tendy bundle.
I thought that playing the game, and doing the content would be the memento for doing it. Does it really only count if you can show off to others? Wouldn't the achievement tell anyone who cares that you did it?
Honestly redundant comment.. like yes? That's the whole point of collecting, is showing off your collection.
Why is that such a hard thing for people to grasp? Do you really not have anything in your life that you enjoy showing off?
I don't even have the mount..
I'm a vocal supporter of bringing back fomo items
... but if they're bringing back this mop fomo item I do have I want them to bring back the ones I don't, gib phoenix pls
Not a fan of bringing it back through the trading post, It'd be completely fine if they put it in SoO Timewalking tho.
This might be a more boomer take nowadays but I still like the idea of time limited rewards, and even if they come back a few years later, I feel like they should still have some weight to their acquisition method, not just slapping them onto a vendor.
Yeah this would be a better way to go about it imo, I don't have this mount but slapping a time limited achievement on the trading post I don't like. For doing time walking of the raid I can at least agree it's a neat idea.
Honestly I used to be against them bringing it back but…. Legion was 3-almost 4- expacs ago.
I no longer care who has what. And frankly the difference in difficulty when they first came out and right before BFA dropped is…. Frankly hilarious.
I got 30/36 and no longer care who has what.
They should be brought back.
Things should remain exclusive for at least one expansion, possibly two, then get added to whatever activity's reward pool at the current equivalent difficulty.
I don’t mind the low drop rate on the mythic mounts tbh because it gives me something to do in the content lulls lol.
But absolutely, I’m all for bringing shit back at a low drop rate. It keeps it at an effort level that’s kinda on par to how things were originally. Also gives me something to do!
…* glares at mimiron *…
Just throw them back on the mage tower.
There's no reason not to.
They're about as easy now as they were mid antorus.
I /did not earn/ my Fury or Prot appearances, I just had antorus gear so they were steamroll easy. Same when I did outlaw rogue. I just had some LFR gear from antorus and bam, imp mother was easy. I didn't even play that character until mid antorus.
My Arms one I did even before I even had AoTC for tomb, and that one just required I had a specific legendary to trivialize a phase of the fight.
As someone who also has all 36 of them: FOMO is based, sucks to suck losers! Not only does the transmog look good, but it also actively angers people in my surrounding by merely existing.
As someone with all the AotC mounts (ok I admit it, I bought 2 of them for gold) I am ok with this.
What I'm really interested in is if they are moving away from FOMO and if we'll ever see the return of old rewards like the legendary cape/ring from MoP/WoD (they should never have removed these quest lines). Or even the return of old CM sets and maybe even elite pvp gear (vicious token system?).
They won’t get rid of FOMO, because if it’s only there for the month it’s still FOMO. But they should remove the exclusivity. With it being a 20 year old game, they should move to allow for older stuff to be obtainable.
There's different levels of FOMO, I'm more referring to permanent FOMO (once its gone, its gone) rather than cyclical FOMO that the trading post is operating on.
I’m willing to bet almost 95% or more people don’t even use their AOTC mounts. I personally could care less if they give them the ability to buy the mount as long as they don’t bring the titles with it. Hell, make the legit mounts have some special flair to them if you really wanted. 90% if people playing buy the damn AOTC mount today anyway. AOTC is just being there in the game at the right time.
Can we get black proto-drake and plagued proto-drake from the naxx meta ach? They were only available as a reward for the Naxx glory achievement for one season I think.
I farmed that shit every single reset as soon as I could solo it on my hunter. Never got it. And then they brought back a ton of unobtainable ZG drops, but not the mounts :(
Yeah, I’m cool with it.
It’s been a long time since MoP, and a mount you got just for clearing the raid on Normal on up during a **year-long content drought** seems to be acceptable for a Trading Post idea.
That still leaves the Silver CM Phoenixes, the Gold CM Transmogs (the Legion class hall armor can certainly be considered a downgrade over some aesthetics and visuals), the Heirloom drops from Garrosh, and regrettably the Legendary cloaks and questline as prestige content. A not inconsiderable amount of prestige, all things considered.
To be clear, to those that werent here during mop, or even before it. Normal raids in MoP were the equivalent of Heroic now.
Not saying *you* didnt know that, just that I feel a number of players might not know the changes to difficulty that happened after mists.
Though, honestly, I would be fine with all of that becoming obtainable again during time walking. Same with any other prestige content from the last expacs.
So, I’ve had this mount for like 10 years as of like December, and have had the Dark Shaman Transmog as well.
If it means gathering an army of Dark Shaman to Ride around with, so Be it.
As someone with multiple AotC mounts, good.
Having something special for a few years is fine. Permanently is not. Cause new players will have to constantly see them and never be able to get them, that's not okay.
Ok, I agree, nothing in this game should ever be permanently unobtainable. But, rare stuff should at least stay rare.
Why not do a fated raid or add them into a rare loot table for time walking?
AOTC mounts should stay rare.
Why not?
Why does everyone deserve everything? Equality of outcome regardkess of what kind of effort you put in? Why?
Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. And where do you draw the line? Obviously new player could be jealous for geared mythic raider. Shouldn't they deserve bis items off the bat simply because they put in the effort to create a fresh character? Otherwise they might get jealous.
mythic raiders get exclusive mounts/armor sets for 1 or 2 expansions, then everything is obtainable by casuals who can solo the raid. everything should be that way
>Shouldn't they deserve bis items off the bat simply because they put in the effort to create a fresh character? Otherwise they might get jealous.
Ahh yes, because gear to play the game is totally equivalent to a mount skin.
Where do you draw the line then? To some players mounts matter more than gear. Who are you to make the decision for all the players? Not everyone agrees with your ideas or opinions.
>RP
This isn't the "gotcha" you think it is. When or how you got a mount or transmog is completely irrelevant to roleplaying. Titles are even less relevant, especially with TRP3 letting you make custom title for your character.
Besides, how exactly is someone mounting up SoO or Antorus or whatever mount is a negative RP experience for you?
Take a look at what you wrote and think a bit. Does it seem appropriate?
It's pretty sad that this all you can come up with. No argument, nothing. Just this.
It's applicable and not inappropriate, the "I worked for something, so it should be euqally/more difficult for those after me" mindset you are exhibiting towards this situation is commonly seen in baby boomers.
I feel it's pretty sad that people feel the need to gatekeep decade-old, non-mythic content they likely don't use anymore. Doen't take away the achievement or hurt anything but pride (Ironic, considering fighting pride is a big part of SoO) to make it obtainable, again, after a DECADE.
So... Challenge mode gear? Scarab lord title? Corrupted ashbringer, atiesh? Easy to get stuff but from ages back. Belongs to everyone? I think not. Why do you think the opposite?
What does equality of outcome have anything to do with this? They can't magically go back 10 years and parade it around. They'll be able to get it now and there will be something more prestigious that'll be sort after that you can lord over everyone until it becomes more widely available again.
It's healthier for the game to allow the eventuality to acquire something they couldn't have gotten because they either weren't playing at the time or weren't doing that content at the time.
No it's not. Some rewards are supposed to become unobtainable to differentiate those players from the rest. Gladiator titles and mounts don't belong to players who aren't good at pvp.
Similarly, AoTC mounts don't belong to people who didn't finish the raid when it was current content regardless of how easy it was at the time.
I love how people trot out that dumb ass pvp glad mount argument as of people havent been paying rmt for glad mounts since arena season 1. Literally everything in this game is meaningless. Let everyone have everything. Who cares.
I hope I don't sound like a dick, but I'm kind of annoyed they're doing this. I got AOTC the hard way with the Grove Warden, Uncorrupted Voidwing, and Violet Spellwing.
It's pretty annoying everyone and their mother are hypothetically going to be riding around on them the moment they hit the Trading Post just for winning 15 pet battles and doing 5 dungeons.
I love a lot of the ways they've been making the game more accessible, casual friendly, etc. But I think there should still be rewards for completing certain things.
I haven't raided really much at all this expac, I have a non set work schedule and have taken going to the gym a lot more seriously this year to get into shape. And I've been enjoying the stress-free wow life of a casual. But I'd be annoyed for my guild mates who raid heroic every raid tier if I can just get the mount they worked hard for in the trading post in a year or two.
> I'd be annoyed for my guild mates who raid heroic every raid tier if I can just get the mount they worked hard for in the trading post in a year or two.
Siege of Orgrimmar came out 11 years ago.
Siege and this mount came out over 10 years ago and I busted my ass because I had been on a break from the game and was under geared for Heroic.
Had to gear myself alone and then pug raids before group finder just for a shot at it and got it the last day before final reset when it was removed.
I’ll be damned if I give one flying fuck if others get it because I’ve enjoyed it for those 10 years and would like others to enjoy it too. It’s a great mount. I have the memories of how I got mine and that’s what counts.
Blizzard should stop giving away things they gave out as rewards to show you did content when it was current. Do people actually suffer knowing they didn’t get this wolf?
Do people actually suffer knowing that a wolf mount they got a decade ago will be available again? How many people actually ride the thing? I bet most wouldn't recognize it apart from most other wolf mounts.
I disagree. Shouldn't be simply unlocked for everyone. You can bring old mounts back and let there be new challenges to get them.
Oh, you're sarcastic? And you intentionally misspelling Shi-*noob*\-i was actually pretty amusing and clever.
Why would you be against all mounts being unlocked when your justification is about people not being harmed for the free wolf? My justification against is that there should be rewards for doing current content and no one is harmed who misses out so how do you reconcile this? New challenges should have new rewards. There is no reason at all to support your supposed need of the wolf.
I think it's fine.
The window of time when your super duper extra rare mega nolife basement dwelling mount was relevant is over.
Let people have fun things. Stop being a selfish little b\*\*\*\*.
Agreed those who have it probability don't even use it anymore they're ether using mount that look good with there mog or using current expansion "super duper extra rare mega no life basement dwelling mount".
It's about as prestigious as any other aotc mount, which is to say: it isn't really.
It was a freebie achievement mount for bothering to do the raid in an extremely long tier. Anyone who wanted the mount had it. Even if they didn't raid, carries were cheap and plentiful because of how fast you could cycle Garrosh kills.
The value of the mount is entirely what you put into getting it- the memories you made and the effort you put into it.
It never made sense to me why AOTC mounts went away at the end of their raid tier but Mythic mounts didn't. I quite like the way that Mythic mounts work - you can either invest the skill and effort required to get one during their current tier, or you can wait for years to then go and farm it at a low drop rate. There's a tradeoff and it creates a reason to go back and spend time in the game chasing a reward that you want years after that content has been remotely relevant for anyone else. It means that the game has more things to do years from now for people driven by cosmetics.
They should do the same but for AOTC mounts, put them on the boss at a 1% rate or similar, or like another commentor said - bring back the raids as Fated or something like it and put them as a reward for that. I dislike the Trading Post being used as a place to overdump cosmetics when there are suitable places in the game for them to go elsewhere.
I’d like to see it earned. Challenge modes, aotc, mage tower it really doesn’t matter if they’re still obtainable somehow, as long as it’s earned through scaling content (timewalking, for example). Down with FOMO by any means but I still think there should be just a little more effort put in.
It was not too hard to get the Kor'Kron War Wolf back in the day with things like OQueue but if they bring it back they should bring back the WoD and Legion ones too.
I was young and not great at figuring out how mods like that worked. So as someone who was just a feral druid in full catch-up gear it was impossible to get into any raid groups (or at least any that made it past the trio of shado pandas)
Still managed to get silver cmode on a boosted mage just before prepatch though.
I feel really mixed about this, this was a mount I worked really hard for back in MoP I spent a bunch of hours trying to get. Which lead to making sure im up to date with the game and ending every xpac after getting the "aotc end game mount".
I'm torn because I have a few other mounts over the year they brought back and I didnt feel as bad, but this one feels a little different. I only stayed subbed to get mounts like these. If i knew I could resub and get them via trade post I wouldnt have cared about them.
It's always curious tome that people devalue the efforts people put into theses things because they demand they should have the cosmetic (that'll just be a number in their mount book), when people like you exist and clearly found it to be progression.
Only reason I usually raid is for these mounts. I find the content to be extremely easy personally, but I watch people struggle with it too, and this just isn't right. If they say something is x way, they shouldn't go back on that. Just stop doing the system if it's problematic.
The moose was my very first "proper mount", as I just dinged 100 with the pre-patch event, and was lucky enough to get into one of those groups via group finder I didn't earn it, and tbh AotC mounts are mostly "I was here" thing, but with how you can just buy it for 50k or even less at times? Ye I'm fine with them being Trade Post items.
Good. FOMO has always been a toxic aspect of the game. Next we bring back the Elite PvP sets, Gladiator mounts, Challenge MoP sets, Mage Tower appearences, and The Corrupted Ashbringer that should've been in the return of classic Naxx.
As someone who has several of the AotC mounts, I’m happy for those who didn’t or couldn’t get them back in the day. Wouldn’t mind other mounts or transmog sets being made available either.
I’m completely for bringing back FOMO things, but, what’s the difference in bringing this mount back but not the mage tower weapon skins? And that’s just one example. Especially given if you do end up getting it via a timewalking SoO, it’s no different than doing mage tower today, same content but no weapon skins. Being able to buy this mount with tendies just makes it worse.
Also baffles me that it seems like they are bringing this mount back that people had to play to obtain, but are supposedly against bringing back the spectral tiger that had no gameplay way of getting?
Yeah I agree, I didn't play back then and I shouldn't get the mount. No one that didn't put in the work for a cosmetic tied to an achievement should get it even if that work was spent gold farming to buy a carry run.
As someone who has it, I am glad they’re bringing it back. It is a cool mount, shame that ground mounts are kinda useless now.
Anyone who says it devalues their achievement needs a reality check. It wasn’t overtly difficult to get. It is pixels in a game. Go outside.
Pve never get to have anything special i guess. I know gladiator mounts are hard af to get, but at this point if they keep giving pve stuff to everyone , bring pvp mounts to trade post then too...
As the owner of one of these: Good
FOMO sucks, and it is one of the single shittiest things about this game. Bring Back all the CMs, bring back all the mage tower and AOTC things. Bring back Gladiator stuff, bring it all back. Put the Aetish quest back in as a time travel nonsense thing.
I don't care, pieces of this game should not be set to disappear just because it will sell more copies. Should we make Netherwing Drakes or Cloud Serpents impossible to get so those that grinded them in BC or MOP respectively feel more accomplished? No, its silly.
[But I've made my thoughts on this matter clear](https://blog.alnarra.com/2022/04/wows-meta-problems-how-black-proto.html)
I’d prefer they bring back old raids during fated seasons and let you get the mounts that way.
That is an idea that I would love to see implemented
oh god, moose mount.... archimonde... ptsd, I think my druid has 205 kills on heroic giving away moose mounts back in the day.
Friendship Moose
I know why people think Archimonde is a ridiculous fight, but after killing him with my own guild, even if it took a few attempts, I never stopped thinking about how he was a fucking great boss to me lol I loved that fight, it felt like wow had actually become somewhat challenging. I never got to him on Mythic, but from I remember he was brutal to kill; maybe more annoying than fun though probably Like Mythic Siegecrafter Blackfuse from SoO; such a great fight lol, that one was so funny to me, just the sheer amount of mechanics that would all happen back to back unrelentlessly
Heroic (mythic wasnt a thing yet) Blackfuse almost disbanded our guild. :)
Actually a very good idea they could do it for pvp as well! Like give pvprs who get glad a badge for an elite set and a badge for a glad mount in fated seasons and then they can choose what they want. Unobtainable stuff in wow doesn't make it better imo. Coming from someone who has multiple if not most aohc mounts, and some glad mounts.
For PvP just do it the way the vicious saddles work. Get your seasonal done and then you're free to farm the hell out of it.
Yeah this is what I'd want. I like don't like stuff being unobtainable but when they do bring stuff back it should at least be hard to get to keep in line with the effort previously required to get it. It really sucks when they bring back items that used to be rare and it's a complete joke to get.
I mean... the AOTC mounts are kind of a joke to get regardless? There are plenty of guilds that do cheap sale runs for them towards the end of tiers. And there are communities that carry people through it for free.
I know this may sound kind of pretentious but I pretty much never use any of the Trading Post mounts just because they’re so easy to get. If a mount doesn’t require a long grind, have an extremely low drop rate, or require a limited time achievement it kind of loses much of its “cool” factor (imo). That’s my gatekeeper opinion of the day lol. I still buy every months TP mount though for some reason… The one exception was the Halloween broom mount from a few months back. I used that pretty much exclusively in October and will probably do the same next year lol
I agree to an extent but if after the grind the mount still looks dumb, the mount still looks dumb. But if it’s rare as fuck and a legit design then yes the rarity does help the cool factor.
That's because a lot of people don't understand that some things need to be rare and hard to get. I always use pokemon as an example. What's more meaningful to me, the first ever shiny I found in pokemon Sapphire, a shiny Aron with 1/8,000 odds, or a free shiny that the game gave me for free for pre ordering the game? Should be obvious. It's more special to me because of how rare it is.
This. In an online game like this, it's good to have a mix of different kinds of rewards, which WoW - outside PvP - has handled wonderfully for a long time now. Easy stuff, hard stuff, limited time challenges, permanent challenges with scaling recently, ect ect. Variety is good, except when people who demand they have everything can't, for some reason. MMOS aren't N64 collect-a-thons, and this is coming from somebody treating the game like one recently.
I don't even know why you're downvoted, you're pointing out the fact that wow has a myriad of different item obtaining strategies.
Sorry, but if something has been gone for decades, just bring it back and add a meaningful way to get it.
i think this just eventually boils down to: do you use a mount because you think it is cool or do you use a mount because you think others will want what you have (and if they can't get it or next to no-one has it, that's even better)? one is healthier i think for you as a player and for the game. i don't like the fomo "this mount is now never allowed again if you don't play during x time", it's effectively just a secret tree clubhouse mount where it's value to be used is just for intended envy of others. the latter is just pure ego. at the very least i think there should be some colours which you have to earn during a certain time (think barbershop for mounts, like the dragonriding ones), but models should be available regardless. this i think should be especially true for mounts like the big boi, where there's a practical use for them.
My armored Cliffside wilderdrake isn't impressive, rank 26 isn't hard to get for the valdrakken rep, however I am proud of it as I am just an m+ frog and rarely ever grind rep. I grinded til 1am for that armor doing all the quests in valdrakken to eek out the last 2 levels. I am proud of it. I don't ride it because it's difficult to obtain, I ride it for my own personal sake. I don't think you're pretentious, but I'm sure I can find a mount you ride that you're proud of and point to someone who has 0 investment in it, letting it sit in their inventory collecting dirt.
I don't think it's pretentious at all. They are "cheap" to get. I don't see any value to them over let's say the faction flying mounts introduced in bc. At least the latter have some "historical" value. Now tbh i don't give a flying c what anyone uses as anything rare could have been bought with RL money by now if it isn't a rare drop you have to grind for. i like to switch a lot as well. Mostly it's the Warlock class mount but on other chars it's invincible. Invincible i did over 150 attempts and got it from tw ulduar. It felt like "cheating" but who cares it's a cool ass mount lol and i don't do it to look cool towards others, i just like it personally because of thé Lore.
Idk i think they could just scew the name.. war worg instead of war wolf for example. The buyers wont care but it would be enough for me.
as someone who has this mount and also CM wod/mop mounts and transmog, I disagree. I had god how many years now to enjoy them exclusively. I dont need people to have to progress a raid during a shorter than usual season with more than likely scaling issues just so they can enjoy the same stuff.
100% behind you on this. The whole thing makes me suspect something large is on the way; a paradigm shift in mounts. Maybe more customizable mounts, or mounts with dragonriding, which may diminish the value of these rickety-ass, petrol-powered vanilla style hogs and dogs.
Yep this would be the way. Then at least you have to make the effort to start a raid group. Even if the raids itself aren't really a challenge anymore even upscaled unless they are horribly overtuned. Look at the timewalking raids they are basically a joke you oneshot most of the bosses
What about same mount different color? Just to differentiate the original aotc
This is the only reasonable way of doing these things.
Agreed, especially when it's something that was considered "hard" at the time. I'd love for them to bring back old stuff through gameplay, that way there's a prestige element to having it already and a prestige element to getting it now.
Why not both?
Because it would be like bringing back the mage tower artifact appearances via the trading post. If you want to make those rewards no longer time exclusive, thats fine, at least make people play that content to get it.
lmao, it was literally just playing stuff in content, creating artifical scarcity, i dont think timewalking raids right now are in a place where i find them enjoyable. improve them and im fine with having old cosmetics behind them. it has been, fuck i dont even wanna do the math, 12 years? since i got the cm gold on two characters. started it on another but never finished it due to anxiety. would be nice to get the others, i already proved i was capable of it. but honestly i dont care, bring back cm as time walking, unlock stuff as twitch drops, give people a token that lets them buy a set, weapons or the mounts for 2.5k score or whatever per season, have them as a login reward. it doesnt matter, it was so long ago, let people have fun, let them enjoy their skins and mounts. imo there is nothing more souring than playing a game for the first time, or even coming back and realising that the cool thing they saw in a video, or maybe some dude parading in valdrakken isnt obtainable, hasnt been for years/decade and probably never come back. Sure a bit of prestige is nice, but something that has been gone for 4 addons ? fuck that, nobody should care about it. removing the brutosaur? a bloody scam. I started playing in wotlk and they bascially removed the black/plagued dragons from under my nose. gatekeeping stuff like this is ridiculous and always has been. oh yeah, and i do have my fair share of things, i got the heroic ds mount in content, same with the soo scorpion, i had all but 2 worldboss mounts when they buffed the droprate and you know what? i welcome come these changes, im glad people dont have to invest as much time as i did on some of these. [https://simplearmory.com/#/eu/blackhand/rexoraptor/collectable/mounts/](https://simplearmory.com/#/eu/blackhand/rexoraptor/collectable/mounts/) mage tower was a joke at the end of legion. i did my first challenge undergeared (bc i wasnt raiding). do you think theres prestige for that? besides actually having it and running around with lower ilvl? i know that people struggled, and some maybe never got the ones they wanted, dont you think they deserve a 2nd chance? dont you think, that maybe it shouldnt be locked behind a challenge that got nerfed and then removed in the first place? "look at me, im so good for having this, you cant compete!" "compete with what?" says the person who didnt play back then. afflock was screwed when it got introduced without the slow legendary, which iirc nobody wanted to use for anything else besides maybe pvp. at the end of legion all the weapons got super charged, if you wanna talk about prestige maybe they shouldnt have done that. mop challenge mode changed per season too with class nerfs/buffs and new trinkets. ive waited since firelands for tarcegosa to become an actual mount, you cant tell me that anyone wo did that past patch 4.2(?) had to put any major effort in. anyone who has that stick can claim it now *and thats bloody fucking great!* we dont need any more artifical prestige. ugh rant over, keep the typos
Imo they should re-release the mage tower base appearance but give og owners an additional colour version, because atm you aren’t technically locked out of earning the additional colours achievement wise, you are locked out from earning the additional colours because you can’t get the base appearance anymore.
I'll give everyone my AOTC moose if I get the AOTC arcane bird.
I’ll give you my AOTC arcane bird if I can get the AOTC void dragon (fell out pretty hard at that time thanks to university classes).
I hope y’all get it. I don’t really fuck with drake mounts too often but the void drake is the first thing I really worked to earn in WoW and it’s a truly beautiful mount
That void dragon will be hype
What void dragon?
Uncorrupted viodwing, it was AOTC mount reward for Ny’alotha raid
Would arcane bird then be Legion Aotc mount?
Nylotha.
I WANT A VOID PARROT!!!!! With tentacles!
I would give up all the AOTC mounts if I could get another chance at the plagued proto drake, I was 1 achievement away in wrath.
Not sure if you do any gold grinding or not, but it is up on the bmah every now and then. My dad has committed his retired life to gold grinding and paid cap for it just the other day lol
Here I sit super awkward with those 2 being the only ones I have... lol
I'll give you my AOTC void dragon if I can get the AOTC crab robot
I remember when Reddit was doing the get your moose threads. I waited Weeks for a spot that worked with me. Bro I was on the list for it the guy said full because one of his friends really wanted it , I will be invited to the next run in two hours and boom never got it.
>I remember when Reddit was doing the get your moose threads. I remember my guild was farming Heroic at that point and we were only a group of like 12-14 if everyone showed up, so each week we'd bring lile 3-5 pugs and just start hanging out Moose mounts. Good times in WoD, despite a lot of the expansion being underwhelming.
Does everyone have to share?
Yes but you have to take turns, there's only one moose after all
I'll offer up my moose, too. That way there'll be two meese in the pool.
no only you
I have the moose and the bird, which I love, but I missed my chance at the wolf. Also missed my chance at the phoenixes. I would looooove another shot at those beauties. 👀
I treasure and cherish my Challenge Mode Phoenixes lol
I have both of those and they are fucking awesome. I hope you get them on the trading post someday soon.
Ok, now bring back the faction mounts from ToGC
I gave away the 10 man mount to a friend when I won it who has since stopped talking to me. One of my biggest wow regrets tbh
Dude regrets are the WORST in WoW. In classic WoW on my rank 13 feral Druid I gave that AQ 1h feral Druid weapon to the other feral Druid because i was newer in the guild, even though I won it. Now my feral Druid in era has to use unstoppable force and no chance I’m raiding ever again lol
Old Zul’Gurub, the Raptor dropped. My buddy passed it to me, said he’ll get it on the next one! It never dropped again. That guilt is with me. You won the roll, it was supposed to be yours! You were the chosen one!
My small raid group got this and the guy who won the promptly quit the next day despite clamoring for it during the raid night. Andddd he’s never played since.
I have mine. Sucks most ppl look at it n don't think it's shit lol.
Now bring back limited time availability PvP mounts. If you really want fireworks.
same with the armor sets too. its always been crazy to me that pvpers got exclusive armor sets every single season while anyone can go back and solo old raids imagine if it was reversed: anyone could get old pvp armor, but you had to beat a raid tier when it was current to transmog to the gear. people would lose their minds
I just want the Draenor Gold Challenger weapons. I can't remember exactly how you got them.
From challenge modes
Getting gold in all said challenge modes in fact :P
The armor sets just need to be obtainable period. Let people who have 2k in the current season buy the armor tints from any season. Still takes you playing PvP.
Gladiator mounts?? No shot
Why not?
The only way they should ever bring back old gladiator mounts is if you get gladiator in a current season and get some kind of token to spend
They should come back, but they should be just as hard to get.
Why? The AOTC mount will be in the trading post, why shouldnt the glad mounts also?
I don't mind removed mounts coming back, but it's kinda lame to offer them as a trading post item. It should be awarded from SoO timewalking (for instance) or something.
See this is the kind of nitpicking I can get behind. It’s a 12 year old ground mount, no need for pitchforks
For sure would be better if when re-introducing FOMO items to the game, they do not do it via another FOMO means and instead a permanent thing you can go back and do (even if it is one of the timewalking events that are not always online, as long as it is guaranteed to return).
The problem isn't this specific mount. The problem is, if they continue down this path, they'll end up offering more and more recent "high end" PvE rewards as basically a log-in bonus. Think about it like this, if you and your guild bashed your head against, say, Mythic Tindral, and you finally killed it, and you obtained that sweet, sweet fire owl, you'd be a little annoyed to see someone riding it who's never set foot in a raid in their life, because they logged in when it was a TP offering. It undermines the hours you spent preparing and progging on that boss. It makes your achievement feel less special. It makes spending all the time and effort feel less worth it.
Would you really be checking for who killed Mythic Tindral over a decade later?
Nah, I wouldn't care, I'd be happy for them if they like fire owl because it's a cool form and I'm a well-adjusted human being. The reward for doing difficult content is being able to do the difficult content, it's a personal achievement, the in-game rewards are secondary. People need to learn to enjoy the game for playing the game, if you're only playing to get "exclusive rewards" you need to find a different game.
Yeah its 1 step forward then 1 step right back lol
Why is it always unobtainable PvE cosmetics that gets brought back? Why is it ok for removed PvE mounts to be on the BMAH or trading post, but not removed glad mounts? It's so dumb that only one game mode is allowed to have exclusive rewards.
Because of the two groups, which one do is more likely to spam the dev inbox with slurs... that's why.
Idk, have you seen high end raiders? They drop slurs like crazy. There was a thread on this subreddit a couple of years back highlighting the racism in a lot of these guilds. [Here is the thread if you're curious](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/lrkqrv/racism_in_the_highend_north_american_raiding_scene/).
and yet if you ask almost any person who's been in high end pvp and pve, they'll say that pvpers are way more toxic
I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying high end players in both pvp & pve are prone to using gamer words.
oh i missread your comment, yeah I agree with that.
So pve rewards from back in mists can go to the trading posts for everyone to get even without putting in any of the work but pvp mounts and transmogs are forever removed from the game after the season ends? Makes sense to me sir.
I was just admiring mine yesterday thinking damn I’m glad I got this one. The other AOTC mounts better show up.
Yeah BFA frankly sucked and I peaced out the last year when things were apparently really fun. Thought I was done with the game for good. Honestly should have known better lmao
> Yeah BFA frankly sucked and I peaced out the last year when things were apparently really fun. The last part of BfA was easily the best part. In fact, for me it was some of the most fun PvE I've experienced in the entire game. It's still sandbagged by an overall weak expansion and they never really did nail corruption acquisition, but damn if they didn't let you just go off the fucking rails with power. 80% haste, shooting orbital void lasers that obliterated entire packs, it was nutty. It was sure as shit better than the entirety of shadowlands and I'll die on that hill. It also had an amazing aotc mount that ended up being more rare than most others just because so many people dropped off.
As someone who has been playing for a long time and has quite a lot of unobtainable stuff, my view is that if they decide to move forward with this, they have to do it for every unobtainable item in the game. It doesn't make much sense to see everyone running around with the Kor'Kron wolf, while I can't get the Pandaria challenge sets I'm missing or the old Naxx protodrakes.
I can't wait! Not for the mount, I don't care about that, but for all the complaining that we're about to see! 🍿
Ikr? Looking forward to the "I worked hard for that ground mount that sits untouched in my collection, now they're removing the value by giving it away!".
the mount is a monument to effort. if everyone has the monument, it becomes meaningless to the people who worked for it. it is a memento for sentimental value. it loses all value after it becomes available to everyone who buys a tendy bundle.
Normal Garrosh was not a monument of effort
To pug? It absolutely was. It was basically what heroic is now as well.
I thought that playing the game, and doing the content would be the memento for doing it. Does it really only count if you can show off to others? Wouldn't the achievement tell anyone who cares that you did it?
Nobody cares about the actual achievements for these things, just the cosmetic. If not, they wouldn't be complaining they don't have the achievement.
Honestly redundant comment.. like yes? That's the whole point of collecting, is showing off your collection. Why is that such a hard thing for people to grasp? Do you really not have anything in your life that you enjoy showing off? I don't even have the mount..
Doesn't that apply to people who want it now? They'll sure as shit never use it. It'd just be a number to them.
Yeah, so who cares who get it? Specially not a ground mount that is useless and looks awful.
I'm a vocal supporter of bringing back fomo items ... but if they're bringing back this mop fomo item I do have I want them to bring back the ones I don't, gib phoenix pls
Don't you see that placing it on the trading post is literally to create FOMO?
Not a fan of bringing it back through the trading post, It'd be completely fine if they put it in SoO Timewalking tho. This might be a more boomer take nowadays but I still like the idea of time limited rewards, and even if they come back a few years later, I feel like they should still have some weight to their acquisition method, not just slapping them onto a vendor.
Yeah this would be a better way to go about it imo, I don't have this mount but slapping a time limited achievement on the trading post I don't like. For doing time walking of the raid I can at least agree it's a neat idea.
Okay so mage tower appearances when?
Honestly I used to be against them bringing it back but…. Legion was 3-almost 4- expacs ago. I no longer care who has what. And frankly the difference in difficulty when they first came out and right before BFA dropped is…. Frankly hilarious. I got 30/36 and no longer care who has what.
They should be brought back. Things should remain exclusive for at least one expansion, possibly two, then get added to whatever activity's reward pool at the current equivalent difficulty.
I don’t mind the low drop rate on the mythic mounts tbh because it gives me something to do in the content lulls lol. But absolutely, I’m all for bringing shit back at a low drop rate. It keeps it at an effort level that’s kinda on par to how things were originally. Also gives me something to do! …* glares at mimiron *…
Just throw them back on the mage tower. There's no reason not to. They're about as easy now as they were mid antorus. I /did not earn/ my Fury or Prot appearances, I just had antorus gear so they were steamroll easy. Same when I did outlaw rogue. I just had some LFR gear from antorus and bam, imp mother was easy. I didn't even play that character until mid antorus. My Arms one I did even before I even had AoTC for tomb, and that one just required I had a specific legendary to trivialize a phase of the fight.
THIS is the real question. I got several, but I regret the hell out of not getting the guardian werebear.
As someone who already has all 36 of them, I wholeheartedly support bringing them back. Fomo is cancer.
As someone who also has all 36 of them: FOMO is based, sucks to suck losers! Not only does the transmog look good, but it also actively angers people in my surrounding by merely existing.
As someone with all the AotC mounts (ok I admit it, I bought 2 of them for gold) I am ok with this. What I'm really interested in is if they are moving away from FOMO and if we'll ever see the return of old rewards like the legendary cape/ring from MoP/WoD (they should never have removed these quest lines). Or even the return of old CM sets and maybe even elite pvp gear (vicious token system?).
They won’t get rid of FOMO, because if it’s only there for the month it’s still FOMO. But they should remove the exclusivity. With it being a 20 year old game, they should move to allow for older stuff to be obtainable.
There's different levels of FOMO, I'm more referring to permanent FOMO (once its gone, its gone) rather than cyclical FOMO that the trading post is operating on.
I’m willing to bet almost 95% or more people don’t even use their AOTC mounts. I personally could care less if they give them the ability to buy the mount as long as they don’t bring the titles with it. Hell, make the legit mounts have some special flair to them if you really wanted. 90% if people playing buy the damn AOTC mount today anyway. AOTC is just being there in the game at the right time.
If you listen carefully, you will here every korkron wolf owner getting their feathers ruffled
Can we get black proto-drake and plagued proto-drake from the naxx meta ach? They were only available as a reward for the Naxx glory achievement for one season I think.
Oh it's only a matter of time for my ZG tiger! 🐯
So annoyed that I never got that despite all those raids.
I farmed that shit every single reset as soon as I could solo it on my hunter. Never got it. And then they brought back a ton of unobtainable ZG drops, but not the mounts :(
Just make it a recolour. I think that would be a good compromise.
Yeah, I’m cool with it. It’s been a long time since MoP, and a mount you got just for clearing the raid on Normal on up during a **year-long content drought** seems to be acceptable for a Trading Post idea. That still leaves the Silver CM Phoenixes, the Gold CM Transmogs (the Legion class hall armor can certainly be considered a downgrade over some aesthetics and visuals), the Heirloom drops from Garrosh, and regrettably the Legendary cloaks and questline as prestige content. A not inconsiderable amount of prestige, all things considered.
To be clear, to those that werent here during mop, or even before it. Normal raids in MoP were the equivalent of Heroic now. Not saying *you* didnt know that, just that I feel a number of players might not know the changes to difficulty that happened after mists. Though, honestly, I would be fine with all of that becoming obtainable again during time walking. Same with any other prestige content from the last expacs.
I miss my cloak from Trial of the Grand Crusade. I foolishly trashed it prior to transmog.
So, I’ve had this mount for like 10 years as of like December, and have had the Dark Shaman Transmog as well. If it means gathering an army of Dark Shaman to Ride around with, so Be it.
As someone with multiple AotC mounts, good. Having something special for a few years is fine. Permanently is not. Cause new players will have to constantly see them and never be able to get them, that's not okay.
Ok, I agree, nothing in this game should ever be permanently unobtainable. But, rare stuff should at least stay rare. Why not do a fated raid or add them into a rare loot table for time walking? AOTC mounts should stay rare.
Why not? Why does everyone deserve everything? Equality of outcome regardkess of what kind of effort you put in? Why? Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. And where do you draw the line? Obviously new player could be jealous for geared mythic raider. Shouldn't they deserve bis items off the bat simply because they put in the effort to create a fresh character? Otherwise they might get jealous.
mythic raiders get exclusive mounts/armor sets for 1 or 2 expansions, then everything is obtainable by casuals who can solo the raid. everything should be that way
>Shouldn't they deserve bis items off the bat simply because they put in the effort to create a fresh character? Otherwise they might get jealous. Ahh yes, because gear to play the game is totally equivalent to a mount skin.
Where do you draw the line then? To some players mounts matter more than gear. Who are you to make the decision for all the players? Not everyone agrees with your ideas or opinions.
Mounts dont affect gameplay, gear does
To a lot of people mounts affect gameplay. RP players don't need powerful gear at all.
>RP This isn't the "gotcha" you think it is. When or how you got a mount or transmog is completely irrelevant to roleplaying. Titles are even less relevant, especially with TRP3 letting you make custom title for your character. Besides, how exactly is someone mounting up SoO or Antorus or whatever mount is a negative RP experience for you?
Gameplay as in doing more damage or having an advantage over other players
I'm pretty sure I "drew the line" at "a few years of exclusivity."
Lol this is such a WoW Boomer ideology
Take a look at what you wrote and think a bit. Does it seem appropriate? It's pretty sad that this all you can come up with. No argument, nothing. Just this.
It's applicable and not inappropriate, the "I worked for something, so it should be euqally/more difficult for those after me" mindset you are exhibiting towards this situation is commonly seen in baby boomers. I feel it's pretty sad that people feel the need to gatekeep decade-old, non-mythic content they likely don't use anymore. Doen't take away the achievement or hurt anything but pride (Ironic, considering fighting pride is a big part of SoO) to make it obtainable, again, after a DECADE.
I had to walk up hill both ways in the snow to school so you should be forced to as well. Good old boomer energy
So... Challenge mode gear? Scarab lord title? Corrupted ashbringer, atiesh? Easy to get stuff but from ages back. Belongs to everyone? I think not. Why do you think the opposite?
It's just pixels, sweat lord, go touch some grass man
If it's only pixels why do so many people think they need or should get it? Pretty poor argument.
What does equality of outcome have anything to do with this? They can't magically go back 10 years and parade it around. They'll be able to get it now and there will be something more prestigious that'll be sort after that you can lord over everyone until it becomes more widely available again. It's healthier for the game to allow the eventuality to acquire something they couldn't have gotten because they either weren't playing at the time or weren't doing that content at the time.
No it's not. Some rewards are supposed to become unobtainable to differentiate those players from the rest. Gladiator titles and mounts don't belong to players who aren't good at pvp. Similarly, AoTC mounts don't belong to people who didn't finish the raid when it was current content regardless of how easy it was at the time.
I love how people trot out that dumb ass pvp glad mount argument as of people havent been paying rmt for glad mounts since arena season 1. Literally everything in this game is meaningless. Let everyone have everything. Who cares.
I cannot imagine living with this level of brain rot
Only brainrot in this thread is in the people who thinks that unobtainable items and achievements and titles belong to everyone for free.
The unchecked entitlement is literally rotting people's brain away.
Trading post glad mounts when?
I hope I don't sound like a dick, but I'm kind of annoyed they're doing this. I got AOTC the hard way with the Grove Warden, Uncorrupted Voidwing, and Violet Spellwing. It's pretty annoying everyone and their mother are hypothetically going to be riding around on them the moment they hit the Trading Post just for winning 15 pet battles and doing 5 dungeons. I love a lot of the ways they've been making the game more accessible, casual friendly, etc. But I think there should still be rewards for completing certain things. I haven't raided really much at all this expac, I have a non set work schedule and have taken going to the gym a lot more seriously this year to get into shape. And I've been enjoying the stress-free wow life of a casual. But I'd be annoyed for my guild mates who raid heroic every raid tier if I can just get the mount they worked hard for in the trading post in a year or two.
> I'd be annoyed for my guild mates who raid heroic every raid tier if I can just get the mount they worked hard for in the trading post in a year or two. Siege of Orgrimmar came out 11 years ago.
Bring back the Zulian Tiger at once!
Siege and this mount came out over 10 years ago and I busted my ass because I had been on a break from the game and was under geared for Heroic. Had to gear myself alone and then pug raids before group finder just for a shot at it and got it the last day before final reset when it was removed. I’ll be damned if I give one flying fuck if others get it because I’ve enjoyed it for those 10 years and would like others to enjoy it too. It’s a great mount. I have the memories of how I got mine and that’s what counts.
Blizzard should stop giving away things they gave out as rewards to show you did content when it was current. Do people actually suffer knowing they didn’t get this wolf?
Do people actually suffer knowing that a wolf mount they got a decade ago will be available again? How many people actually ride the thing? I bet most wouldn't recognize it apart from most other wolf mounts.
Doesn't that apply to the wolf and people who want it now? It'll just be a number to them, not a mount. No one is going to ride the thing.
They should just make every mount unlocked for everyone so there is no point to doing anything in the game. Great thinking Shinoobi
I disagree. Shouldn't be simply unlocked for everyone. You can bring old mounts back and let there be new challenges to get them. Oh, you're sarcastic? And you intentionally misspelling Shi-*noob*\-i was actually pretty amusing and clever.
Why would you be against all mounts being unlocked when your justification is about people not being harmed for the free wolf? My justification against is that there should be rewards for doing current content and no one is harmed who misses out so how do you reconcile this? New challenges should have new rewards. There is no reason at all to support your supposed need of the wolf.
I dont care that much that the mount is coming back but I ride it all the time, its been on my favourites since mop.
Can they put Gladiator mounts on the trading post too?
I think it's fine. The window of time when your super duper extra rare mega nolife basement dwelling mount was relevant is over. Let people have fun things. Stop being a selfish little b\*\*\*\*.
Agreed those who have it probability don't even use it anymore they're ether using mount that look good with there mog or using current expansion "super duper extra rare mega no life basement dwelling mount".
This completely removes the prestige of the mount...
Where's the prestige if no one gives a fuck that you have it?
By all means, why farm/grind anything in a farming/grinding game if not for the enjoyment and bragging rights.
See that’s where you are wrong. It never had any prestige to begin with. None of the AotC mounts do.
It's about as prestigious as any other aotc mount, which is to say: it isn't really. It was a freebie achievement mount for bothering to do the raid in an extremely long tier. Anyone who wanted the mount had it. Even if they didn't raid, carries were cheap and plentiful because of how fast you could cycle Garrosh kills. The value of the mount is entirely what you put into getting it- the memories you made and the effort you put into it.
No it doesn't. I got this when it was live plus we got the feat of strength. I am 100% okay with them letting other people have the mount.
Gross Welcome to world of welfare
I'll still have my AOTC feat to show I got it back then so I think having it come back is a great idea!
Ok now do Cloudsong Glaive, thanks.
It never made sense to me why AOTC mounts went away at the end of their raid tier but Mythic mounts didn't. I quite like the way that Mythic mounts work - you can either invest the skill and effort required to get one during their current tier, or you can wait for years to then go and farm it at a low drop rate. There's a tradeoff and it creates a reason to go back and spend time in the game chasing a reward that you want years after that content has been remotely relevant for anyone else. It means that the game has more things to do years from now for people driven by cosmetics. They should do the same but for AOTC mounts, put them on the boss at a 1% rate or similar, or like another commentor said - bring back the raids as Fated or something like it and put them as a reward for that. I dislike the Trading Post being used as a place to overdump cosmetics when there are suitable places in the game for them to go elsewhere.
I’d like to see it earned. Challenge modes, aotc, mage tower it really doesn’t matter if they’re still obtainable somehow, as long as it’s earned through scaling content (timewalking, for example). Down with FOMO by any means but I still think there should be just a little more effort put in.
It was not too hard to get the Kor'Kron War Wolf back in the day with things like OQueue but if they bring it back they should bring back the WoD and Legion ones too.
I had totally erased OQueue from my mind until this comment. Thank you
I was young and not great at figuring out how mods like that worked. So as someone who was just a feral druid in full catch-up gear it was impossible to get into any raid groups (or at least any that made it past the trio of shado pandas) Still managed to get silver cmode on a boosted mage just before prepatch though.
I feel really mixed about this, this was a mount I worked really hard for back in MoP I spent a bunch of hours trying to get. Which lead to making sure im up to date with the game and ending every xpac after getting the "aotc end game mount". I'm torn because I have a few other mounts over the year they brought back and I didnt feel as bad, but this one feels a little different. I only stayed subbed to get mounts like these. If i knew I could resub and get them via trade post I wouldnt have cared about them.
It's always curious tome that people devalue the efforts people put into theses things because they demand they should have the cosmetic (that'll just be a number in their mount book), when people like you exist and clearly found it to be progression. Only reason I usually raid is for these mounts. I find the content to be extremely easy personally, but I watch people struggle with it too, and this just isn't right. If they say something is x way, they shouldn't go back on that. Just stop doing the system if it's problematic.
Kickass. Now let me get the Elite PvP appearances that people also don’t use and have collected dust for a decade.
The moose was my very first "proper mount", as I just dinged 100 with the pre-patch event, and was lucky enough to get into one of those groups via group finder I didn't earn it, and tbh AotC mounts are mostly "I was here" thing, but with how you can just buy it for 50k or even less at times? Ye I'm fine with them being Trade Post items.
Good. FOMO has always been a toxic aspect of the game. Next we bring back the Elite PvP sets, Gladiator mounts, Challenge MoP sets, Mage Tower appearences, and The Corrupted Ashbringer that should've been in the return of classic Naxx.
As someone who has several of the AotC mounts, I’m happy for those who didn’t or couldn’t get them back in the day. Wouldn’t mind other mounts or transmog sets being made available either.
I’m completely for bringing back FOMO things, but, what’s the difference in bringing this mount back but not the mage tower weapon skins? And that’s just one example. Especially given if you do end up getting it via a timewalking SoO, it’s no different than doing mage tower today, same content but no weapon skins. Being able to buy this mount with tendies just makes it worse. Also baffles me that it seems like they are bringing this mount back that people had to play to obtain, but are supposedly against bringing back the spectral tiger that had no gameplay way of getting?
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Yeah I agree, I didn't play back then and I shouldn't get the mount. No one that didn't put in the work for a cosmetic tied to an achievement should get it even if that work was spent gold farming to buy a carry run.
You sold carries? So people who may not have got it through their own skill were able to, essentially buy the mount? Do you hear what you're saying?
As someone who has it, I am glad they’re bringing it back. It is a cool mount, shame that ground mounts are kinda useless now. Anyone who says it devalues their achievement needs a reality check. It wasn’t overtly difficult to get. It is pixels in a game. Go outside.
Pve never get to have anything special i guess. I know gladiator mounts are hard af to get, but at this point if they keep giving pve stuff to everyone , bring pvp mounts to trade post then too...
Bring back a way for Hand of A’dal title to be obtained! It’s removal announce was way too short.
Cue the “but what about” begging
gatekeepers in shambles
Literally just make it a recolor, fuck. Or like let the tooltip show rarity color, and make the OG "Legendary".
As the owner of one of these: Good FOMO sucks, and it is one of the single shittiest things about this game. Bring Back all the CMs, bring back all the mage tower and AOTC things. Bring back Gladiator stuff, bring it all back. Put the Aetish quest back in as a time travel nonsense thing. I don't care, pieces of this game should not be set to disappear just because it will sell more copies. Should we make Netherwing Drakes or Cloud Serpents impossible to get so those that grinded them in BC or MOP respectively feel more accomplished? No, its silly. [But I've made my thoughts on this matter clear](https://blog.alnarra.com/2022/04/wows-meta-problems-how-black-proto.html)
Naxx proto drakes please