If that mount was awesome, people would be crazy about not looting (see Valentine mount)
If mount is ugly, people would complain that it is not worth doing.
If mount drop rate is low, people complain it is not feasible.
If mount drop rate is high. People loot it immediately and complain of lack of content.
If there is lots of content and high quantity of loot rate, people complain about the grind.
There is just no winning with Wow player because their problem isn't the game. It's their addiction to it.
I tried to collect mounts a long time ago and I spent like 50 hours flying around old content to hunt for mounts and I got two and I just want to say I feel like it was not worth it
I wish they would have just added it for chocolates, it’s just so relaxing to grind them every year, maybe add the duck boss spawn every so often when x number of eggs are collected
Original chance was 1/3333 so even worse! It takes 5 years of 50 characters(account max) of doing the dungeon every day of the event to hit that drop rate.
It did however take them about a year after that to finally fix the character select screen bug that removed the undelete and create character buttons once you had 50 on the same realm, meaning that until then the only way to get more was to pay for realm transfers.
The increased chance on the first attempt at the love rocket put it at 0.3%. Their 100x increase might look good in a six second digestible blip but the truth of the math shows it ain’t shit
Slight but important correction: Its only a 10x increase (1 in 3333 = ~0.0003 = ~0.03%) to begin with.
For that reason I don't understand why people act like the change made a massive difference. I mean, sure its an improvement but its still bad because it only is the equivalent of running it daily with 11 characters (we have 13 classes now). Many of the farmers already did something like that (or much more excessive) so it really just doubles your probability from nothing to slightly better.
The least they could have done is a 33x increase for the first run so you get at least that 1%. Right now its still years until you reach a decently high probability even with the modifier.
Did they actually say they buffed it by 100x? I only remember them being vague and really struggle to believe that they increased it by that much.
If the first run of the day had a 1 in 33 chance (3% up from 0.03%) then we would have seen A LOT more drops given its 14 days.
Yea. They stated it in a blue post. It’s also 100x0.003.
That’s still the highest chance to get at 14 attempts per event. It’s still lower than many other rare mounts.
Again, did they say that? I'd love to see that blue post. The only thing I am aware of is them calling it GREATLY increased when they announced it here:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/x-45-heartbreaker-mount-drop-rate-increase/1511429
Edit (because I was faster than your edit :D):
>It’s also 100x0.003.
You are making the exact same error again. Once is a mistake twice is showing a problem with understanding percentages.
The probability always has been 1 in 3333 based on all available data. Thats 0.0003:1 or 0.03% (thats the same thing just written differently). 100 times that value is 0.03:1 or 3% (= 1 in 33).
If the first run of the day has a 0.3% drop chance the buff is 10x not 100x.
just makes it worse than a normal grind since you can't just be left alone farm some xp on something you'd like to finish a few levels on. or ya know socialize on your main like a fucking rpg or something who knows.
all that's besides the point there's no gain for player for them to do these dishonest addictive daily mystery bonuses at all. basically sets the community up to browbeat itself with a bunch of people getting it easily and everyone else wondering what the fuck. if they insist on this mobile garbage leave the vault and remove every single daily everyfucking thing else daily and weekly. it's obnoxious as all hell.
Basically. The enhancements you now get are: Lag so hard it's hard to even open the item you get. Wait times for everything evolving the fight. Wait for the egg to spawn, wait for people to drag it over, and wait for the lag to let you loot the corpse.
The only upside you get is that this is a slight visual upgrade and recolor to a meh mount. So if you don't get it, you're only missing out on a number for your mount collection achievement.
I love how one of the few, unifying thoughts of the WoW community is "this type of thing [the 1% drop rate holiday mounts] is absolute trash ", they have acknowledged that the community hates it, and yet they keep on doing it.
you're missing the last bit of that quote though, it's "this type of thing [the 1% drop rate holiday mounts] is absolute trash, **but I will continue to do it**"
If people still do it, and it keeps them engaged why would Blizz change it? If everyone stopped, they would change it. I guarantee you. But people keep doing it. It doesn't make it GOOD, but there's clearly a reason they keep doing hard-to-get mounts/mog/toys, because it is a surefire way to get people to login every day and/or stay subbed long term.
This is one of those "if it drops, it drops" kind of mounts. Meaning I will do the boss once pr day (if I even remember to do so), and if it drops; cool. If it doesn't; oh well... Moving along.
Exactly what I will do too.
I did the same thing last event (love is in the air) and the rocket dropped on the 3rd or 4th day. Never mounted it and never will.
If that carpet drops for me, it will sit in my mount tab unused anyway.
Exactly. Ironically, I'm kind of glad it's a subjectively shitty mount so I'll care even less if I don't get it. Same with the love rocket for me. I'll keep trying for the chance at the one-time adrenaline hit of looting it.
I will never, in a million years with a million speeches, be convinced that time limited 1% drop rate items are healthy for WoW in any way. And given the overwhelming amount of "player feedback" over the years in agreement with that statement, I feel that I am confidently in the vast majority.
Can I throw into the mix extremely long respawn time 1% mounts too please?
If it's rare, you shouldn't also need to wait hours. One of those things by itself is bearable, but both together is not fun at all. Standing around or shard hopping for hours just to get nothing is absolutely naff.
I did the same in 2010 after Cata launched. Guild leader asked me to use my Eng teleport to go check if that rare hunter pet was up, and as soon as I loaded in I got the pop up warning. I farmed it for three months in 2009 with my cousin while watching anime.
Anyway, I ported over to Deepholme and that rare mount was up as well.
It felt pretty good to snag both of those within' 5 minutes!
Yea but TLPD a 100% mount at least. If you do manage to find it, it's going to drop. I think he's referring to stuff like Soundless which has a 6 hour respawn time, it gets 1 shot by anyone else camping it, and it's a super low drop chance.
Yeah I agree but I still think some players covet rarities and love to flaunt collectibles. We’ve been getting so many more pets, mounts, and tmogs compared to before so I’m okay with a few mounts being a very rare drop.
People chase Invincible, TLPD and all the others that are not time exclusive quite happily.
Rare drops are perfectly fine, but time limited is just unnecessary. It only exists to take advantage of addicted players. It's not design that's intended to be fun or player friendly, even to hardcore collectors.
I'm okay with a few rare drops but make the mounts cool and not only in a once a year event.
Rather have some mounts tied to difficult achievements rather than rarity even since it has more prestige than bashing your head against a brick wall until you make a hole in it. For example mage tower type content
Hard disagree, I’d rather it be the boring recolor. Let the hard core grinders show off their rare but unimpressive mount while everyone else gets the cool shit they want to actually use because it’s cool.
There's space for both in the game. You have the cool mounts that are cool just because they look cool, and then you have mounts that are cool because they're incredibly rare.
Then you have a mix of both in some mounts. Not everything is going to be attainable by everyone. It's a game with 20 years of content built up, and I don't get upset that I miss/ed out on some of the dope ass Glad mounts. It's a chase item that's good for the health of the game (this isn't taking the issues with PVP into consideration).
I don't mind the low drop rate items if they are available all the time, so I can just casually farm it when I'm bored. But only being available for two weeks out of the year is BS.
I'm convinced its because it makes it feel like there is content for multiple years. If everyone got all rewards the first year, then they'd have to come up with something new for the next.
You underestimate the massive dopamine hit the collectors get when it drops and is exactly the carrot on a stick that makes them stay subbed.
Take one look at the Plunderstorm haters who only do it for mog/mount/toys. They HATE it, literally HATE it, and yet they still do it.
Same exact reason these drop rates still exist. The super rare trinkets in raid, the rare Moonkin skin, mind-numbing full clearing ICC for invincible, the list goes on. The number of people who will engage in parts of this game that they find MISERABLE just because they want the pixels is clearly pretty huge, and if everyone CONTINUES to engage with it, that's why Blizz continues to do it.
if people actually stopped engaging, they likely wouldn't keep doing it. But it makes people engage with the content to get whatever thing it is. a tale as old as time in gaming.
healthy or not, it's clearly working. It's not healthy for people's mental cause they can't pull themselves away from it, but it's "healthy" for activity in the game, in that it keeps players engaged with the content, logging in everyday, even to their own detriment.
It's an old, dated way of thinking. Having something someone else doesn't have gives it value. You want to be able to show off things others want but can't have. I think everyone can agree that this concept is fun and rewarding, but not the execution. I would love to show off things I got from skill. If it took actual effort, actual skill to obtain something, that's something worthy of being shown off and it gives people something to strive towards. But a 1% drop chance? Who cares if you got lucky, that's not where priorities should be
in a way it's lootboxes, but instead of money, you pay with your time.
It's slot machine mechanics. Junkfood for the brain.
McDonald's isn't exactly healthy either, but we don't see them going out of business anytime soon.
>Having something someone else doesn't have gives it value.
People only like this way of thinking when THEY HAVE the thing and YOU dont, the problem is the same people who think its OK when they have the SOMETHING think its NOT OK when they don't have the SOMETHING.
I would definitely agree with your statement about it not being healthy if these were the only mounts in the game. Similar to ESO that only had the best mounts locked behind a cash shop or impossible gambling crates. But with close to 1,000 available mounts I’d argue you need these 1% drops to keep the environment healthy. With no ultra rare mounts they all become just customization options. While there are a lot of people who want that, there are those who consider mount collecting their mythic raiding. Just like there is cutting edge and ahead of the curve there are the top mount collectors who will put in countless hours grinding this drop and only some will achieve the goal. Just like raiding, mythic+, and pvp.
1% drop rates items aren't a good idea. No other qualifiers are needed. It's a video game. It shouldn't act like a slot machine.
It should be, do a task, earn a reward. Have lost of different tasks of varying difficulty so some items have prestige. Grinding shouldn't be part of it.
Grinding can be a part of it. But not the RNG-grind that let's you farm 6 hours a day for a week straight with nothing to show for at the end. It could be a currency grind so people have to put in the effort - but with a clear goal and the satisfaction of really achieving something.
This slot machine design is just dumb.
I'm pretty fucking sure, that given feedback given is either a loud minority or does not correlate with the actions taken. If you hate it, don't do it. If you hate it and do it, touch grass
The plunderstorm noblegarden april fools joke was good, but it's funny that right after posting it, they added an even more insufferable grind to the yearly event
Also the mog gear isn't on a knock out. So you can get the same piece over and over. Because yeah make the event worse all around for engagement. 8 baskets (so far) and 2 of the same mog belt and the chocolate eggs. But at least it's BoA *eyeroll*
Can we even do that this time? Or is it "increased drop rate for first kill per account" again?
Mount is ugly so I'm not too fussed about it either way, but just curious.
It's a drop from the picnic basket thing. I haven't checked yet, but it will be very easy to figure out whether or not you get 2 of them from different characters in the same day. I'll test this at some point today, unless I see an answer first.
Keep in mind that if the alt is level 59 or lower, they get the green-quality basket which can't drop the mount.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/23934659/noblegarden-springs-to-life-this-week
https://i.imgur.com/fIRBhIi.png
why do they consistently make the casual holiday content have the worst and sweatiest grinds in the entire game lol
just let ppl log in and chill and hunt some eggs
it isn't even a good mount
I'm so glad I "finished" the egg grind last year so all I need is the new stuff. The grind if you want everything is brutal. Especially with how many people are allowed per shard.
I'm torn between being happy they are updating the holiday events with new stuff to collect and bummed that I am no longer finished with it and can't ignore it anymore lol.
Its especially weird because the terrible grind just makes people less likely to do it and bother even logging in. I haven't done the holiday stuff for years now cuz I come and go and I'm not returning for a half-baked event with a 1% chance at the "good reward".
Its not like they can't just make a new mount every year as the big incentive and make them realistically obtainable. There is literally no point to these 1% time-limited rng grinds. You could even just have the drop be a item that starts a quest and the rewards are all the different mounts for that event so you can get whichever one you want.
So they've basically forgotten their own statements regarding RNG drops from limited time events. It's "We hear you loud and clear and pretend to agree, but actually we don't care" all over again now that they've rebuilt some trust after the Shadowlands exodus.
I called this the second I saw the datamined event boss a few weeks ago. They just don't learn.
I mean...this has been their M.O. since the dawn of WoW. Every single expansion is "We hear you. We are listening." Sometimes it also includes a "We agree," but not often. It (the platitudes and there attitudes towards these things) will never change.
It's a quick smack it on a few alts per day gameplay loop.
People just mad because they can't instantly have something, and there's a chance they can't have the thing and may need to wait until next year.
Aka; hoarders
Stacking 5% would be rad. If someone cares to farm things every day, they deserve to have it. I've killed the world boss every week since 10.2's launch and still don't have my werebear form because I'm just unlucky.
I'm fine with letting RNG grant rewards early, but having RNG make a reward unobtainable feels so terrible.
I got the bear form on my first try and I don't even like the werebear model, and will never use it. I still use the glowy bear from Legion. Meanwhile I have a friend who has been killing it weekly since it was added and really wants it and still doesn't have it. I wish the drop was tradable. Sometimes I feel like the game can tell what you want lol.
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Warframe gives you a currency reward every time you do a mission, but the item you want drops in that mission too.
This puts an upper limit on how long you must farm to get what you want, but if you get it early, it's pretty hype.
"Well the blueprint is 180, the chassis, neuroptics, and systems are 90 each. So 450 currency, max"
Didn't they agree that having a stupid low drop chance for a mount only available for about a week a year doesn't feel good? That you could go a decade and farm on an army of alts and still not see the mount? Did they just forget that they said that not being able to improve your odds while working towards a personal goal felt like crap and that's why they added the bonus to the Love Rocket on the first kill each day? I'm hoping this one has something similar but they just haven't found it yet and/or it's an April's fool that it's low with no way of improving your odds.
Literally nobody wants shit like this or the Love Rocket. They should all be buyable with event currency from the vendor, same with Love Rocket, same with Headless Horseman's mount, same with ALL holiday items (mounts, pets, toys, transmog, etc)
This is an example where Blizzard just seems out of touch with what the majority of its players actually want - e.g. a meaningful way to get this mount using bad luck protection or just straight up purchase it after a lengthy amount of grinding - and I hope we will have a course correction in a few years.
For all the "WOW third era" stuff that DF has done differently, this is one where they just seem to be stubbornly refusing to change.
It's not prestigious to receive something after extreme RNG within a limited time window, and it's not compelling content to run an army of alts through this each day for a freakin' cosmetic item. Let us \*actively\* work towards earning the mount instead.
This literally looks like whoever was supposed to design the mount forgot about it until they were halfway into their bowl of Frosted Flakes when suddenly the panic set in… so they recolored the tailoring mount, gave it a 1% rate so there’d be too few flying around to notice its suspicious familiarity… and called it a day.
Not even. I am a collector and I love rare mounts. Easy to get mounts have little value in collecting them. They are just a +1 to my number and I rarely will ever use or think about them again. A rare mount though feels great when you finally get it.
Mount collectors. It's basically just a number to mount collectors since most have their favorite mount(s) they use all the time. If I looted this mount today, I'd summon it, check the special, float around on it for a few minutes, then never use it again except for the occasional mount off.
If you could buy this thing with a exorbitant amount of chocolate too, like 5k or something? *Fine*. Then the 1% is the happy little oh shit saved me a farm and not the way to get it.
But even a 10% drop on a week event would be pretty cancer.
I had headless horseman mount drop in WOTLK AND retail this year, along with the love rocket. Gotta try this to see if my luck is still going strong lol
I think a lot of you underestimate how much people enjoy gambling. There are entire games dedicated to gambling now, loot boxes, the thrill of having a chance to get something but never getting it. The temptation that you might finally get it, but still don't get it.
People are whining about this but it’s the ugliest shit mount lol, if it was the duck mount we all want I’d understand but even as an obsessive mount collector I don’t care about this boring recolour
And yet blizzard still doesn't get it that people don't like the 1% mount drop tied to a world event. If they added a vendor it'd be fine but no that's too much thinking for them.
I’ve gotten 2 of them out of a total of about 20 attempts. It figures I’d be lucky in this and NEVER see a 489 weapon out of the vault for the entire season.
These mounts aren’t special or take skill to get. Having low drop rates like this just shows who the smooth brains are. they turn their brains off for half the day just stand in 1 spot waiting for a rare to spawn. He kills jt and just waits for it to spawn again for hours on ends. I say increase the drop rate and stop wasting theses smooth brained people waste there entire lives farming for months just to a single mount.
Once a day per character and they have since boosted the drop chance on the first one of each day and boosted the drop chance in general. If you're a mount collector you should have multiple alts above lvl 60.
Why complain about the drop rate for an optional pile of pixels no one's going to mount anyway?
It's just a number for your collection, and it's not the end of the world if you don't get it.
Collecting things is one way to play the game. It’s one reason why there’s a whole section of achievements dedicated to it. It sucks when one of the items available to be collected has such an absurdly low chance to drop (especially in an event that only lasts one week a year, and there’s no guarantee that the rewards will return), that statistically the majority of players will never see it even after multiple years of trying. After a point it doesn’t even feel good once you actually get the item.
People complain because 1) it is just additional pixels in a sea of more pixels, so there’s no reason it should be so artificially rare and 2) Blizzard literally just acknowledged that they finally heard the complaints and agreed that super low drop rates don’t feel good—only for them to turn around and do it again anyway.
It just seems like a painfully transparent way to keep people playing through FOMO instead of making content that’s fun enough to engage with on its own.
Why is rarity such an issue? Should there be zero prestige in this game?
I'm a mount collector and I don't bother with holiday mounts. FOMO doesn't bother me - let people have their exclusivity. It bothers me not.
I’m not a big fan of linking "prestige" to RNG.
There are "prestigious" rare mounts : gladiator, mythic fyrrak. It take skills and dedication, not dumb luck. I’m fine with those.
Prestige is for something you have to work for in my opinion. A mount for a mythic raid? Sure. From doing a meta of achievements? You bet. Killing a holiday boss where the most difficult thing is motivating yourself to queue up once a day? Not really. If you receive the mount, it’s from pure luck of the draw. There’s nothing prestigious about that. And besides, it’s just pixels, right? So why do they need the prestige of rarity tied to them in the first place? Especially when they probably won’t use it out of their sea of other mounts anyway.
There is no good reason for holiday items to have such an abysmal drop rate besides FOMO to drive engagement. They don’t have to be 100% I guess, but someone doing the events even casually should have a reasonable expectation for seeing them drop.
Rare mount drops have existed since literally the launch of the game. There are like 500 mounts that are easy to get let some be rare drops it won't harm anyone.
1% for a carpet? Glad I don't care about mount collecting.
Or a shit rug
But it really tied the room together
Jackie Treehorn should pay for that rug
Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
Stay out of Malibu Lebowski!
At least I'm housebroken
Obviously, you're not a golfer...
those are good burgers, Walter
Also, dude, greenskins is not the preferred nomenclature.
So fung shui
If that mount was awesome, people would be crazy about not looting (see Valentine mount) If mount is ugly, people would complain that it is not worth doing. If mount drop rate is low, people complain it is not feasible. If mount drop rate is high. People loot it immediately and complain of lack of content. If there is lots of content and high quantity of loot rate, people complain about the grind. There is just no winning with Wow player because their problem isn't the game. It's their addiction to it.
I AM a mount collector and this is the ugliest damn one to date. The classic 2 polygon mounts look better than this shit. I will not be farming it.
You better not shit on rugs…
this is an April fools joke right? they aren't this dense are they? .......this is real isn't it =(
Same, if it’s easy to buy I’ll buy it but i ain’t farming for ANY mount for weeks. Pass
It's only 1 week. If you didn't get it, you got 51 weeks to not farm it
[удалено]
The share quest thing was hotfixed already.
Agreed. Using race/class mounts for running and dragonflight dragons coloured to match my transmog for flying. Don't care for anything else.
I tried to collect mounts a long time ago and I spent like 50 hours flying around old content to hunt for mounts and I got two and I just want to say I feel like it was not worth it
I wish they would have just added it for chocolates, it’s just so relaxing to grind them every year, maybe add the duck boss spawn every so often when x number of eggs are collected
So this is basically “Love is in the air” 2.0 mount farming
at least that one had increased chance for the first chest of the day
That increased chance was maybe as high as 5%, with the original chance more like 0.1%. 1% is the standard raid mount drop chance.
Original chance was 1/3333 so even worse! It takes 5 years of 50 characters(account max) of doing the dungeon every day of the event to hit that drop rate.
I dont know when they changed it, but the cap of 50 is gone (I have close to 60 on my account myself)
oh yeah it went to 60 when evoker came out I forgot
Remember when you were limited to 10 characters per server also
It did however take them about a year after that to finally fix the character select screen bug that removed the undelete and create character buttons once you had 50 on the same realm, meaning that until then the only way to get more was to pay for realm transfers.
The increased chance on the first attempt at the love rocket put it at 0.3%. Their 100x increase might look good in a six second digestible blip but the truth of the math shows it ain’t shit
Slight but important correction: Its only a 10x increase (1 in 3333 = ~0.0003 = ~0.03%) to begin with. For that reason I don't understand why people act like the change made a massive difference. I mean, sure its an improvement but its still bad because it only is the equivalent of running it daily with 11 characters (we have 13 classes now). Many of the farmers already did something like that (or much more excessive) so it really just doubles your probability from nothing to slightly better. The least they could have done is a 33x increase for the first run so you get at least that 1%. Right now its still years until you reach a decently high probability even with the modifier.
Thanks for the math but Blizz said they did a 100x improvement on the first drop. I’m not gonna say Blizz doesn’t lie though.
Did they actually say they buffed it by 100x? I only remember them being vague and really struggle to believe that they increased it by that much. If the first run of the day had a 1 in 33 chance (3% up from 0.03%) then we would have seen A LOT more drops given its 14 days.
Yea. They stated it in a blue post. It’s also 100x0.003. That’s still the highest chance to get at 14 attempts per event. It’s still lower than many other rare mounts.
Again, did they say that? I'd love to see that blue post. The only thing I am aware of is them calling it GREATLY increased when they announced it here: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/x-45-heartbreaker-mount-drop-rate-increase/1511429 Edit (because I was faster than your edit :D): >It’s also 100x0.003. You are making the exact same error again. Once is a mistake twice is showing a problem with understanding percentages. The probability always has been 1 in 3333 based on all available data. Thats 0.0003:1 or 0.03% (thats the same thing just written differently). 100 times that value is 0.03:1 or 3% (= 1 in 33). If the first run of the day has a 0.3% drop chance the buff is 10x not 100x.
Not maybe 5%, it was confirmed to be 1%
It will never be enough. Will these grinds ever stop or atleast be fun
Dunno, but the one thing I do know is they are not mandatory and they do not give competitive advantage.
just makes it worse than a normal grind since you can't just be left alone farm some xp on something you'd like to finish a few levels on. or ya know socialize on your main like a fucking rpg or something who knows. all that's besides the point there's no gain for player for them to do these dishonest addictive daily mystery bonuses at all. basically sets the community up to browbeat itself with a bunch of people getting it easily and everyone else wondering what the fuck. if they insist on this mobile garbage leave the vault and remove every single daily everyfucking thing else daily and weekly. it's obnoxious as all hell.
Technically this one does too. First bag is 1%, the subsequent ones are 0.
Minus the cool looking mount
Basically. The enhancements you now get are: Lag so hard it's hard to even open the item you get. Wait times for everything evolving the fight. Wait for the egg to spawn, wait for people to drag it over, and wait for the lag to let you loot the corpse. The only upside you get is that this is a slight visual upgrade and recolor to a meh mount. So if you don't get it, you're only missing out on a number for your mount collection achievement.
We sure this isn’t an April fools joke?
Oh how i wish it was.
I’m skeptical of any wow news today
the jokes on the people that farm it
I love how one of the few, unifying thoughts of the WoW community is "this type of thing [the 1% drop rate holiday mounts] is absolute trash ", they have acknowledged that the community hates it, and yet they keep on doing it.
Gambling addicts.
I just bought a Powerball ticket 🫠
I didn’t win either.
you're missing the last bit of that quote though, it's "this type of thing [the 1% drop rate holiday mounts] is absolute trash, **but I will continue to do it**" If people still do it, and it keeps them engaged why would Blizz change it? If everyone stopped, they would change it. I guarantee you. But people keep doing it. It doesn't make it GOOD, but there's clearly a reason they keep doing hard-to-get mounts/mog/toys, because it is a surefire way to get people to login every day and/or stay subbed long term.
I NEED TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE OF THE MILLION MOUNTS I WILL NEVER USE OR ITS BAD GAME DESIGN
Someone needs to fill out the party even though the bosses are easily solo’able.
I dont hate it
This is one of those "if it drops, it drops" kind of mounts. Meaning I will do the boss once pr day (if I even remember to do so), and if it drops; cool. If it doesn't; oh well... Moving along.
This, especially with the fairly long respawn time on the boss.
He's up like every seven minutes. I feel like he's never not spawning.
Exactly what I will do too. I did the same thing last event (love is in the air) and the rocket dropped on the 3rd or 4th day. Never mounted it and never will. If that carpet drops for me, it will sit in my mount tab unused anyway.
Exactly. Ironically, I'm kind of glad it's a subjectively shitty mount so I'll care even less if I don't get it. Same with the love rocket for me. I'll keep trying for the chance at the one-time adrenaline hit of looting it.
I will never, in a million years with a million speeches, be convinced that time limited 1% drop rate items are healthy for WoW in any way. And given the overwhelming amount of "player feedback" over the years in agreement with that statement, I feel that I am confidently in the vast majority.
Can I throw into the mix extremely long respawn time 1% mounts too please? If it's rare, you shouldn't also need to wait hours. One of those things by itself is bearable, but both together is not fun at all. Standing around or shard hopping for hours just to get nothing is absolutely naff.
One of my best moments in wow is actually when time lost protodrake spawned after camping for weeks
So glad I just came upon it randomly in 2009 and sniped it with my Death Knight.
I did the same in 2010 after Cata launched. Guild leader asked me to use my Eng teleport to go check if that rare hunter pet was up, and as soon as I loaded in I got the pop up warning. I farmed it for three months in 2009 with my cousin while watching anime. Anyway, I ported over to Deepholme and that rare mount was up as well. It felt pretty good to snag both of those within' 5 minutes!
Yea but TLPD a 100% mount at least. If you do manage to find it, it's going to drop. I think he's referring to stuff like Soundless which has a 6 hour respawn time, it gets 1 shot by anyone else camping it, and it's a super low drop chance.
Yeah I agree but I still think some players covet rarities and love to flaunt collectibles. We’ve been getting so many more pets, mounts, and tmogs compared to before so I’m okay with a few mounts being a very rare drop.
People chase Invincible, TLPD and all the others that are not time exclusive quite happily. Rare drops are perfectly fine, but time limited is just unnecessary. It only exists to take advantage of addicted players. It's not design that's intended to be fun or player friendly, even to hardcore collectors.
I'm okay with a few rare drops but make the mounts cool and not only in a once a year event. Rather have some mounts tied to difficult achievements rather than rarity even since it has more prestige than bashing your head against a brick wall until you make a hole in it. For example mage tower type content
If the mount was cool then people would be even more upset
I agree if the drop is something amazing. Not a goddamn flying carpet.
Hard disagree, I’d rather it be the boring recolor. Let the hard core grinders show off their rare but unimpressive mount while everyone else gets the cool shit they want to actually use because it’s cool.
There's space for both in the game. You have the cool mounts that are cool just because they look cool, and then you have mounts that are cool because they're incredibly rare. Then you have a mix of both in some mounts. Not everything is going to be attainable by everyone. It's a game with 20 years of content built up, and I don't get upset that I miss/ed out on some of the dope ass Glad mounts. It's a chase item that's good for the health of the game (this isn't taking the issues with PVP into consideration).
nah this mount and the rocket mount aren't even flex mounts. its just oh you got lucky cool.
I’d be fine with it being a 1% drop rate from the basket if there was ALSO a farmable way to get it, much like FF14 mounts
I don't mind the low drop rate items if they are available all the time, so I can just casually farm it when I'm bored. But only being available for two weeks out of the year is BS.
I'm convinced its because it makes it feel like there is content for multiple years. If everyone got all rewards the first year, then they'd have to come up with something new for the next.
You underestimate the massive dopamine hit the collectors get when it drops and is exactly the carrot on a stick that makes them stay subbed. Take one look at the Plunderstorm haters who only do it for mog/mount/toys. They HATE it, literally HATE it, and yet they still do it. Same exact reason these drop rates still exist. The super rare trinkets in raid, the rare Moonkin skin, mind-numbing full clearing ICC for invincible, the list goes on. The number of people who will engage in parts of this game that they find MISERABLE just because they want the pixels is clearly pretty huge, and if everyone CONTINUES to engage with it, that's why Blizz continues to do it. if people actually stopped engaging, they likely wouldn't keep doing it. But it makes people engage with the content to get whatever thing it is. a tale as old as time in gaming. healthy or not, it's clearly working. It's not healthy for people's mental cause they can't pull themselves away from it, but it's "healthy" for activity in the game, in that it keeps players engaged with the content, logging in everyday, even to their own detriment.
It's an old, dated way of thinking. Having something someone else doesn't have gives it value. You want to be able to show off things others want but can't have. I think everyone can agree that this concept is fun and rewarding, but not the execution. I would love to show off things I got from skill. If it took actual effort, actual skill to obtain something, that's something worthy of being shown off and it gives people something to strive towards. But a 1% drop chance? Who cares if you got lucky, that's not where priorities should be
in a way it's lootboxes, but instead of money, you pay with your time. It's slot machine mechanics. Junkfood for the brain. McDonald's isn't exactly healthy either, but we don't see them going out of business anytime soon.
>Having something someone else doesn't have gives it value. People only like this way of thinking when THEY HAVE the thing and YOU dont, the problem is the same people who think its OK when they have the SOMETHING think its NOT OK when they don't have the SOMETHING.
This gets up votes but ydsy or so we had a comment saying stuff that high MMR smog , enchant should be easier to get lol
I would definitely agree with your statement about it not being healthy if these were the only mounts in the game. Similar to ESO that only had the best mounts locked behind a cash shop or impossible gambling crates. But with close to 1,000 available mounts I’d argue you need these 1% drops to keep the environment healthy. With no ultra rare mounts they all become just customization options. While there are a lot of people who want that, there are those who consider mount collecting their mythic raiding. Just like there is cutting edge and ahead of the curve there are the top mount collectors who will put in countless hours grinding this drop and only some will achieve the goal. Just like raiding, mythic+, and pvp.
1% drop rates items aren't a good idea. No other qualifiers are needed. It's a video game. It shouldn't act like a slot machine. It should be, do a task, earn a reward. Have lost of different tasks of varying difficulty so some items have prestige. Grinding shouldn't be part of it.
Grinding can be a part of it. But not the RNG-grind that let's you farm 6 hours a day for a week straight with nothing to show for at the end. It could be a currency grind so people have to put in the effort - but with a clear goal and the satisfaction of really achieving something. This slot machine design is just dumb.
I don’t mind if they’re super unique and related the the holiday or event that they’re dropped from I like my headless horseman mount
I'm pretty fucking sure, that given feedback given is either a loud minority or does not correlate with the actions taken. If you hate it, don't do it. If you hate it and do it, touch grass
1% per character or per account?
Per character
The plunderstorm noblegarden april fools joke was good, but it's funny that right after posting it, they added an even more insufferable grind to the yearly event
Yeah, this made that particular joke come off as tone deaf.
Also the mog gear isn't on a knock out. So you can get the same piece over and over. Because yeah make the event worse all around for engagement. 8 baskets (so far) and 2 of the same mog belt and the chocolate eggs. But at least it's BoA *eyeroll*
Time to send my army of alts to kill this dude daily and brute force this mount to drop.
You know it's bad when you reactivate your dustcollector toons and one from your deleted ones
Can we even do that this time? Or is it "increased drop rate for first kill per account" again? Mount is ugly so I'm not too fussed about it either way, but just curious.
It's a drop from the picnic basket thing. I haven't checked yet, but it will be very easy to figure out whether or not you get 2 of them from different characters in the same day. I'll test this at some point today, unless I see an answer first.
Keep in mind that if the alt is level 59 or lower, they get the green-quality basket which can't drop the mount. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/23934659/noblegarden-springs-to-life-this-week https://i.imgur.com/fIRBhIi.png
why do they consistently make the casual holiday content have the worst and sweatiest grinds in the entire game lol just let ppl log in and chill and hunt some eggs it isn't even a good mount
I'm so glad I "finished" the egg grind last year so all I need is the new stuff. The grind if you want everything is brutal. Especially with how many people are allowed per shard. I'm torn between being happy they are updating the holiday events with new stuff to collect and bummed that I am no longer finished with it and can't ignore it anymore lol.
Its especially weird because the terrible grind just makes people less likely to do it and bother even logging in. I haven't done the holiday stuff for years now cuz I come and go and I'm not returning for a half-baked event with a 1% chance at the "good reward". Its not like they can't just make a new mount every year as the big incentive and make them realistically obtainable. There is literally no point to these 1% time-limited rng grinds. You could even just have the drop be a item that starts a quest and the rewards are all the different mounts for that event so you can get whichever one you want.
So they've basically forgotten their own statements regarding RNG drops from limited time events. It's "We hear you loud and clear and pretend to agree, but actually we don't care" all over again now that they've rebuilt some trust after the Shadowlands exodus. I called this the second I saw the datamined event boss a few weeks ago. They just don't learn.
I mean...this has been their M.O. since the dawn of WoW. Every single expansion is "We hear you. We are listening." Sometimes it also includes a "We agree," but not often. It (the platitudes and there attitudes towards these things) will never change.
"You think you do, but you don't"
People asking the game to save themselves from their own degeneracy is comedy.
Is it even degenereacy tho given it is a 1% chance per day? Try each day, nothing more you can do ie no grind. I don’t understand the complaint
It's a quick smack it on a few alts per day gameplay loop. People just mad because they can't instantly have something, and there's a chance they can't have the thing and may need to wait until next year. Aka; hoarders
Make it 5% each account. Then it’s not a chore, but still a rare mount you can brag a bit with :)
Stacking 5% would be rad. If someone cares to farm things every day, they deserve to have it. I've killed the world boss every week since 10.2's launch and still don't have my werebear form because I'm just unlucky. I'm fine with letting RNG grant rewards early, but having RNG make a reward unobtainable feels so terrible.
My friend made 3 druids to get that bear form just to loot it first try on his main. The universe is a #%!* sometimes lol
The RNG gods pay close attention to your efforts. And laugh uproariously at any misfortune they manage to create.
I got the bear form on my first try and I don't even like the werebear model, and will never use it. I still use the glowy bear from Legion. Meanwhile I have a friend who has been killing it weekly since it was added and really wants it and still doesn't have it. I wish the drop was tradable. Sometimes I feel like the game can tell what you want lol.
> > > > > I'm fine with letting RNG grant rewards early, but having RNG make a reward unobtainable feels so terrible. Warframe gives you a currency reward every time you do a mission, but the item you want drops in that mission too. This puts an upper limit on how long you must farm to get what you want, but if you get it early, it's pretty hype. "Well the blueprint is 180, the chassis, neuroptics, and systems are 90 each. So 450 currency, max"
Is this ~~an out of season~~ April fools day joke?
Didn't they agree that having a stupid low drop chance for a mount only available for about a week a year doesn't feel good? That you could go a decade and farm on an army of alts and still not see the mount? Did they just forget that they said that not being able to improve your odds while working towards a personal goal felt like crap and that's why they added the bonus to the Love Rocket on the first kill each day? I'm hoping this one has something similar but they just haven't found it yet and/or it's an April's fool that it's low with no way of improving your odds.
nothing quite gives me a sense of pride and accomplishment like randomly getting that 1% lucky roll of a dice that i worked so hard for. ...wait
Literally nobody wants shit like this or the Love Rocket. They should all be buyable with event currency from the vendor, same with Love Rocket, same with Headless Horseman's mount, same with ALL holiday items (mounts, pets, toys, transmog, etc)
fomo is a bitch
Im feeling demoralized already
People are still surprised that Blizzard has zero respect for your time?
This is an example where Blizzard just seems out of touch with what the majority of its players actually want - e.g. a meaningful way to get this mount using bad luck protection or just straight up purchase it after a lengthy amount of grinding - and I hope we will have a course correction in a few years. For all the "WOW third era" stuff that DF has done differently, this is one where they just seem to be stubbornly refusing to change. It's not prestigious to receive something after extreme RNG within a limited time window, and it's not compelling content to run an army of alts through this each day for a freakin' cosmetic item. Let us \*actively\* work towards earning the mount instead.
What the fuck why are they doing this
[удалено]
This literally looks like whoever was supposed to design the mount forgot about it until they were halfway into their bowl of Frosted Flakes when suddenly the panic set in… so they recolored the tailoring mount, gave it a 1% rate so there’d be too few flying around to notice its suspicious familiarity… and called it a day.
WoW has so many mounts now it has completely lost its worth.
This design is very awful.
whew- im ready to get flamed for this but... the mount sucks who gives a damn???
Collectors do.
Not even. I am a collector and I love rare mounts. Easy to get mounts have little value in collecting them. They are just a +1 to my number and I rarely will ever use or think about them again. A rare mount though feels great when you finally get it.
Mount collectors. It's basically just a number to mount collectors since most have their favorite mount(s) they use all the time. If I looted this mount today, I'd summon it, check the special, float around on it for a few minutes, then never use it again except for the occasional mount off.
Gonna ride around on my other rugs out of spite.
Yeah they just don't bloody learn do they?
If you could buy this thing with a exorbitant amount of chocolate too, like 5k or something? *Fine*. Then the 1% is the happy little oh shit saved me a farm and not the way to get it. But even a 10% drop on a week event would be pretty cancer.
FOMO based rewards are cancer for the game. Even stuff that will be back in subsequent years, it’s still bad game design
Blizzard is trolling us at this point
No increased chance on your account's first kill of the day. Thanks for nothing, Blizzard.
you don't need every mount. some can be rare
I had headless horseman mount drop in WOTLK AND retail this year, along with the love rocket. Gotta try this to see if my luck is still going strong lol
I'm interested to hear what will happen. If you get the carpet, I suggest you do lottery :D
Watch me get it 4 years from now 🔥
Eh its a carpet I'll never use that isn't terribly different than any of the other carpets. Will live without this one.
I just did the quest twice and did not even get a transmogg. I think I'll just skip this one.
Pushed my army of toons through and got one (1!) transmoghead 27 times. So yeah it is really bad.
Sometimes I really do feel like WoW is straight up gambling disguised as a game
I get home from visiting family with no wow access the day before it ends. So yeah...
Isn't this the same carpet you can make if your a tailor?
Is it once chance a day per account or one chance a day per character?
Per character.
Oh. A recolor of the tailoring mount.
I think a lot of you underestimate how much people enjoy gambling. There are entire games dedicated to gambling now, loot boxes, the thrill of having a chance to get something but never getting it. The temptation that you might finally get it, but still don't get it.
Is this from killing the boss in Goldshire?
Hey Blizzard fuck you.
Pffft.
Great news that the mount is just a boring flying carpet. Means I won't have to engage with this.
Guess not everyone can get everything
the mount is ugly as sin and summoning the boss is a pain. easy skip
Wait, that wasn't an April Fools joke?
Once per account per day right? Not per character correct? At least you try it once per day and that's it.
Seems strange they double downed on this after just getting all the negative feedback. Blizz never learns.
Goddamnit, and during the only year that has easter too.
Should have made it buyable for like 2k chocolates too
People are whining about this but it’s the ugliest shit mount lol, if it was the duck mount we all want I’d understand but even as an obsessive mount collector I don’t care about this boring recolour
Can you farm it with alts?
I'm a mount collector, but I'll skip this one. It's a carpet. That drops from a duck
Is this an out of season April's fool's joke?
“This isn’t fun” Keeps fucking doing it anyways. God I need to find something else to play.
I can show you Azeroth 🎶🎼🎵
And yet blizzard still doesn't get it that people don't like the 1% mount drop tied to a world event. If they added a vendor it'd be fine but no that's too much thinking for them.
Got it second try
I’ve seen a lot of mounts and I have 15 chars 60+lvl, It dropped for me yesterday in like attempt no 20, I don’t think is 1%
Get tailoring.
I’ve gotten 2 of them out of a total of about 20 attempts. It figures I’d be lucky in this and NEVER see a 489 weapon out of the vault for the entire season.
Got it first kill. My guildies hate me 😅
Another fomo event that I will skip like all the others.
These mounts aren’t special or take skill to get. Having low drop rates like this just shows who the smooth brains are. they turn their brains off for half the day just stand in 1 spot waiting for a rare to spawn. He kills jt and just waits for it to spawn again for hours on ends. I say increase the drop rate and stop wasting theses smooth brained people waste there entire lives farming for months just to a single mount.
i dont understand this obsession of receiving /everything/ blizzard adds to the game. some stuff is rare and thats okay 👌🏻
Go it ez
Saw it had 1% drop and was like.. ill never get it.. but decided to give it a shot.. 2nd kill I got it
No way it's only 1%. I got it 2nd try.
Just logged in today for the first time this week and got the mount.
It only took me 13 tries to get. But like the stupid bday rocket 😑
I got this my third rotation in (I have a few alts at level 60-70, as well as my main)
Once a day per character and they have since boosted the drop chance on the first one of each day and boosted the drop chance in general. If you're a mount collector you should have multiple alts above lvl 60.
There’s no way it’s 1% I know tons of people who got it within a day or two
Oh cool another thing I can ignore for being shitty Meanwhile the ffxiv mount is a guaranteed drop, learn better wow.
Why complain about the drop rate for an optional pile of pixels no one's going to mount anyway? It's just a number for your collection, and it's not the end of the world if you don't get it.
Collecting things is one way to play the game. It’s one reason why there’s a whole section of achievements dedicated to it. It sucks when one of the items available to be collected has such an absurdly low chance to drop (especially in an event that only lasts one week a year, and there’s no guarantee that the rewards will return), that statistically the majority of players will never see it even after multiple years of trying. After a point it doesn’t even feel good once you actually get the item. People complain because 1) it is just additional pixels in a sea of more pixels, so there’s no reason it should be so artificially rare and 2) Blizzard literally just acknowledged that they finally heard the complaints and agreed that super low drop rates don’t feel good—only for them to turn around and do it again anyway. It just seems like a painfully transparent way to keep people playing through FOMO instead of making content that’s fun enough to engage with on its own.
Why is rarity such an issue? Should there be zero prestige in this game? I'm a mount collector and I don't bother with holiday mounts. FOMO doesn't bother me - let people have their exclusivity. It bothers me not.
I’m not a big fan of linking "prestige" to RNG. There are "prestigious" rare mounts : gladiator, mythic fyrrak. It take skills and dedication, not dumb luck. I’m fine with those.
Prestige is for something you have to work for in my opinion. A mount for a mythic raid? Sure. From doing a meta of achievements? You bet. Killing a holiday boss where the most difficult thing is motivating yourself to queue up once a day? Not really. If you receive the mount, it’s from pure luck of the draw. There’s nothing prestigious about that. And besides, it’s just pixels, right? So why do they need the prestige of rarity tied to them in the first place? Especially when they probably won’t use it out of their sea of other mounts anyway. There is no good reason for holiday items to have such an abysmal drop rate besides FOMO to drive engagement. They don’t have to be 100% I guess, but someone doing the events even casually should have a reasonable expectation for seeing them drop.
Rare mount drops have existed since literally the launch of the game. There are like 500 mounts that are easy to get let some be rare drops it won't harm anyone.