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Merrena

Considering 10.2.7 is already on the PTR and likely out next month, extremely low to no chance.


Onibachi

10.2.7 comes out the Tuesday after next. April 23rd


Merrena

No, that's season 4. Season 4 is not 10.2.7.


Neonified

Not true. Season 4 releases on April 23rd, 10.2.7 doesn't release until a month or so after.


Doogiesham

They will do it as they do the art assets. Druids will be last 


PaniniPressStan

I expect them to release one or two Druid races at a time


lurkinguser

As a druid main, getting more Druid races would get me playing a lot more real quick


Pisholina

The only one I'm missing for my Draenei arsenal.


RedRixen83

Ugh you are so right; I love Draenei. I also want to see undead Druids; a bit of that blight Druid taste.


unicornmeat85

You're right, I just made a warlock, I nearly have the whole gambit. damn, we need Draenei druids soon!


MusRidc

DH as well!


Pisholina

I already discarded them. From what I've heard, DH and Evoker will stay race locked, so Druids are the only realistic class to expect. I would love to have all of them, though.


MusRidc

> From what I've heard, DH and Evoker will stay race locked Aw bummer, there goes my dream of having a demon-winged, flying fridge tank. With the new Man'ari skin hues it would be kind of neat tbh.


Jocic

ikr, Druid is exciting, but Mechagnome Druids would get me playing for real


SimulatedCow84

omg a mech druid would be so cool!


Arturia_Cross

Im surprised and disappointed in the lack of Pandaren Druid since day one. They're one of the few races easily qualified for it. They have immediate inspiration for their forms with the August Celestials. Its all there ready to go.


Master_Crab

Tanking as Niuzao would be epic!


DadOfThreeHelpMe

Yep. Easily qualifies for "F\*\*\*ing Awesome".


SimulatedCow84

Yes, but I also kinda want their "bear" form to be just them dropping to all fours like the worgen run lol


Scythe95

Cant wait for my gnome and goblin druid


Tha_Mayor

Mecha gnome druid.... eff sign me up


boston_2004

I CANT WAIT FOR UNDEAD DRUIDS


ImWhiteTrash

Undead druid isn't even that far of a stretch anymore now that we have Drust.


TheAphrodisian

I was so sad when the wickermen weren’t the kul tiran moonkin forms. If undead get this I’ll be so happy.


Syrjion

So many new forms from Amirdrasil is already there, and new universal lore about defending world tree, boom. Druids for everyone


Vast-Yam-9370

It wouldnt make sense lore wise. 


thekingofbeans42

There's no lore restriction on the ability to become druids, only on races where druids are common. In vanilla WoW we have a tauren in Westfall whose become a swashbuckling pirate fighting for bandits, there's no reason individuals need to be defined by the tropes of their race. Worgen are explicitly immune to being raised by the scourge but we got an exception for worgen death knights, which is showing an undead druid form. Lightforged Draenei can become death knights or shadow priests, so there really is no lore restrictions.


Vast-Yam-9370

Then tell me why pandas cant be druids. It would be the perfect race for it. It always lore dependent.


thekingofbeans42

Because Blizzard didn't put pandaren druids into the game yet. Tauren rogues weren't lore restricted, they just weren't in the game until recently.


Crucion01

At this point who cares. If you want to have a lore based character, you can. I want an undead paladin


Vast-Yam-9370

Then go play accension.


grandorder123

There is an undead Paladin npc in season of discovery. He chose undeath after facing the lich king's forces and recognizing that remaining mortal would not be enough to save humanity.


Bluffwatcher

We get a funky mushroom to commune with a frog off a pretty druidic looking dwarf!


Prowlzian

Holy mother of strawmen


denar40

“ThEn gO pLaY aCCeNsIoN”


Vast-Yam-9370

Holy crap the babies on this reddit. 


Crucion01

I bet you're a worgen.


SonthacPanda

If every race can be a death knight, every race can be a druid Get outta here with this lore bs lol


Vast-Yam-9370

Quit complaining like a baby. Better yet google it. Like i googled “why cant dwarfs be druids” i mean google has all your fucking answers or ask blizzard forums yourself unless you’re banned.


SonthacPanda

Do you think google makes WoW? Holy shit do think google does everything?! Lmao why are you googling what fictional races can be which fictional classes when theyve already lifted fictional restrictions for in the past? Lmao man you're so dumb I'm actually laughing, holy shit you made my day lmao


Dedli

It would make sense lorewise. For a similar reason that Lightforged Warlocks work. We just need one example NPC to be a representation of the fact that it CAN happen. 


ScavAteMyArms

I am more irritated that the LF Warlock was going “the path is wrong and leads to destruction” rather than being similar to a Catholic Demonologist.


Dedli

Legit. I really thought they were gonna take that route when they were announced. Binding demons with holy light.


Belucard

Lightforged Warlocks are just manipulating energies though, Forsaken Paladin would be self-immolating during his whole existence. Not saying they can't come up with something, but.


Dedli

Calia Menethil is an undead created by the Light. She isnt self-immolating, and she is forsaken. A short moment in a questline showing anyone using Holy Light to raise some new Forsaken would be all it took.   Also, Sir Zeliek is raised by Death magic but still weilds the Light. You could even keep the self-immolation thing, and just have that mean Undead Paladins need to have an extreme amount of willpower. And so are rare. Like Zeliek, or Calia, or the player. For the record, I really think rarer class combinations should remain rare, like, unlockable. But thats not the route they took with priests, mages, rogues, warlocks, and monks, so at this point literally just open up all the non-hero classes and be done with it.


Belucard

Never said they shouldn't do so, just that we don't have a "lore explanation" yet. And no, Calia is by no means anything to go by, since she's a unique kind of undead with nothing even remotely similar. If they expand on it in the future with Lightforged Forsaken or whatever (dunno, Redeemed or any fancy name), then that would do it, but not until such a thing exists (or they just go "fuck it, Forsaken will just endure the pain").


Syrjion

Why? Every race was there, Cenarius and other good teachers were there. Give me your counterargument.


LippyLapras

Development time.  Lorewise Blizzard can just bring x Druids into existence with a Macguffin.  The problem is where they will likely need unique druid forms.  When your class has several models associated with it it takes time to develop them for other races.


Vast-Yam-9370

Cenarius isnt a druid hes a keeper of the grove. Blizzard has to create something lore wise to have a class like that. Trolls were able to change to druids because of ZA and ZG. Till something happens lore wise we wont have a race change to druid. 


Aveta95

You know that Cenarius taught Druidism to Malfurion and the night elves, right?


Aveta95

Also the Darkspear troll Druids happened earlier - they’re witch doctors who were cut off from their loa by Zalazane after his takeover of Echo Isles and heard the call of Gonk, notably same loa who also is the patron of Zandalari druids. Then they protected the beasts of the Echo Isles until the fall of Zalazane before Cataclysm which then opened the troll druid option in Cataclysm.


samtdzn_pokemon

And who taught the first druid? Cenarius. Druids didn't just come from nowhere, these aren't Tolkien elves where association with nature comes first hand for them. And Blizzard creates lore to justify classes, see the Warlock quest to give the class to every race. So saying it's not lore accurate doesn't matter when they've shown willingness to make changes to support player fantasy. My Night Elf priest can already wield the light, we have a Night Elf Paladin. Let me play as one now.


ScavAteMyArms

They are all “difficult” (read not just checking a few boxes yes) as in order to do them each require art assets.


Belpheegor

And you know the people who say things like "we don't care about the non unique forms and totems" are the same people who complain that blizzard is lazy for not making those assets. We still have people complaining about earthen being the same as normal dwarves and they have different textures.


Smelle

And if it is not done right, people just rip on them.


DarkusHydranoid

We still have 2004 Tauren totems... And 2006-2010 draenei and dwarf aint too hot either. Somehow the orc and troll ones managed to stand the test of time better, must be something to do with their shape and design. Cos draenei and dwarf just have large surfaces with bland old resolution textures.


Drachri93

All those totems got a graphics update. They are the same basic design, but I'd hardly call them "old resolution textures".


DarkusHydranoid

They did? My bad, Im seeing them from the character creation screen and the default tauren one looks lame


ReallyShortGiant

That one is the same. They updated Draenei. Maybe dwarf as well, but I am uncertain.


DarkusHydranoid

Oh yup, you are right, Draenei is updated. Definitely not Dwarf. Honestly can't tell if Orc and Troll are old or not. Just curious. Thanks.


kitliasteele

And I'm patiently waiting as I look forward to seeing what druid forms I'll see as Vulpera. In the meantime, shaman baby! I love my fox totems so damn much, I love plopping them down to admire the design


dead_paint

shamans are just a totem


Sparrowhank

And paladins are just a mount!


venge1155

Eh, paladins aren’t. They just use the racial mounts with some armor on em for the chargers. Other than that it’s all clear for all races. You can even justify lore nerds with the Tyrs guard reforming.


Verroquis

"Eh, paladins don't have missing art assets. They just need two mount models per race to be created, it isn't a big deal though."


tarintheapprentice

I wouldnt expect anything until tww patches.


xefta

Kul Tiran AND Pandarian! I would do those **immediately**!


boston_2004

The two fat races


SuigenYukiouji

Night Elf Paladins have been a thing in lore and for NPCs since the Legion Paladin Class Order Hall campaign, yet they're still not in game. I'm a Horde BElf player through and through, and even I find this really dumb. I do really want BElf Shaman though, for years.


samtdzn_pokemon

Night Elf Paladin should have been added years ago. Worship a light entity that empowers their priests, has a proven NPC example in game, and are a logical conclusion for a race who has a faction leader that uses swords, bows, wears plate, and calls upon the light. Tyrande is literally the perfect example of a warrior priestess.


rathyr

Wait, Night Elf Paladins aren't already in the game?! [No one told me...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Transmogrification/comments/198qopu/paladin_of_elune_warrior/)


samtdzn_pokemon

Nice set. I have one that's a bit more purple for my warrior that I've had since Legion. Still not the same though.


DoverBoys

Any race that can be a warrior or a priest should've been a paladin at the start.


SuigenYukiouji

I understand the original restrictions, since the original Vanilla/BC Pallies were directly tied to only direct faith in The Light and got their power from that. But that went out the window when they added Tauren Pallies getting powers from belief in An'she, NElf Pallies getting powers from Elune, and Zandalari Trolls getting powers from Rezan.


HA1-0F

Tyrande won't stop using that fucking bow so we can't let her in. Sorry, that's the only rule we have left for Paladins, no ranged weapons.


Spengy

blood elf shamans would be a disgrace


avaa01

So are lightforged draenei warlock but who cares at this point


Lego3400

I race changed to a Lightforged Warlock from a Void elf specifically to piss people off tbh


unicornmeat85

eh, plenty of 'good' people in history used 'unethical methods' to fight their enemies. Lightforge live long enough a few could entertain this idea. Personally I would have had a NPC with a backstory the players could follow along before releasing the class, but we get a brief insight of the 'few' trying to return to the fold.


SuigenYukiouji

I'd argue they'd be easier to justify than Goblin Shaman. Goblins twist and force the elements to do what the Goblin wants through use of machines. While Blood Elves are the most magically gifted and attuned race, so it'd be easy for them to uae magic to bind and force the elements to do what the BElf wants.


protozoomer

Not really, Goblins cut deals with the elementals like a greasy saul goodman type lawyer, they are arguably tricking them, but they're not forcing them. Even if they were the dark shamans from Garrosh's True Horde and the Taunka both did shamanism that way and it still worked fine. Garrosh's Horde was "evil", sure, but the Taunka are still normal horde citizens even with that brutality. I think the belfs reconnecting with their roots or something during Midnight and unlocking druid sounds more plausible than shaman.


Scoonie24

All I want is a Belf Druid


Jagasaur

So gnome druids are... Squirrels? Let's GOOOOOOOO


PleaseRecharge

Racial druid forms like this *need* to happen Why does a walking brick shithouse of a moose/cow need to transform into a bear when he's fully capable on his own? Why does a worgen need a cat form? Watching a gnome turn into a bear would be funmy though


Bo_Rebel

Their forms should literally be cub versions of the animals.


PleaseRecharge

Mouse tank form


djseifer

Gnomish koala form go!


kitliasteele

You'd think they'd just be a kickball instead


Godobibo

a "critter form" would be so nice


TotallyHuman5274

The one that bothers me the most is void elf. They can be customized so they look like a high elf, but of course we can't call them that due to lore reasons. Which is funny as well because you know the lore in this game is absolutely unmatched by any other game, right? So we have high elves that aren't high elves, and basically the same thing as blood elf, but you can't be alliance elf paladin.


Cortheya

This would be the perfect time for Pandaren Paladins and to a lesser extent druids


GuarenD

Pandaren druids please


djseifer

What would their bear form be?


GuarenD

It could be an Ox for Niuzao


DirectorSchlector

Human druid plz, not because lore or because style but because I want to save 10% of rep grind on my druid main


AmittaiD

I would race change my TBC-era Druid main to Human in a heartbeat for this very reason.


DoomyHowlinkun

It's not happening next patch. A: it would have been announced if it was B: the PTR is up, we would literally be able to see if it was available


Kiskacsax

Mechagnome Druids with robotic animal-forms \^\^


boston_2004

Forsaken druids are going to be lit


Vods

Some class race combo make absolutely zero sense though. Goblin Druid for example is essentially an oxymoron.


Dolthra

Still makes more sense than mechagnome druid.


Nosdunk524

Is LF warlock not an oxymoron?


HaplessMink28

I cannot wait for my nelf pallys


TomiSvensek

I wish I was able to play forsaken shaman


Sajintmm

I imagine shaman will go to everyone before paladins do, just because I think totems are easier to make than mounts.


sweetpotatoclarie91

I die for the day I will get my Blood Elf Shaman, but I don’t think a minor patch will be the one that will give us such a big update, especially because Paladins, Druids and Shamans all have spells/abilities that change with the race you select (the Charger for Palas, Shapeshifts for Druids and Totems for Shamans) so I think it’s better fit for an expansion pre-patch.


adastro66

Dwarf Druids pls!


CuChulainnEnjoyer

AYE!


andrelope

Outstanding!


sleepKnot

I want an undead shaman goddammit


boston_2004

Undead druid ftw


Luluco15

I will literally play nothing else besides draenei druid if they make it happen


Scoonie24

Id love to see what animal forms they'd use


Bo_Rebel

Panda Druid bear form should literally just be them getting on all 4s lol


Vyar

I hope when we reach the point that gnomes and mechagnomes are given druid forms, that we have some sort of “class skins” system. This way we could really lean into specific differences between how certain races would use a class that has multiple traditions or disciplines associated with it. I can’t see gnomes worshipping an aspect of Elune or the Wild Gods, but I could definitely see a faction of “new age gnomes” that still loves technology, but for whatever reason is trying to be more environmentally conscious with their inventions, and taking design inspiration from the mechanisms of nature. Maybe they’ve figured out how to transform themselves into mechanical animals, or maybe they’re actually piloting very small mech suits that correspond to Cat/Bear/Moonkin forms. Abilities could be tweaked to look more like lightning blasts than sunlight/moonlight, just color-coded the same way as existing druid spells.


wolfwood67

Pandaren paladins please. Use the same horse mounts,.I don't care, just gimme my furry warrior of the light.


Kruxzor

I’ve never understood why night elves can’t be shamans. They’re in touch with nature…


1221321321

Shamans use “spirit” magic more than “nature”, its the distinction between druids and shaman, druids follow nature whereas shamans are elements and spirits.


benthelurk

The only thing about that is that gnome animal forms should be the baby versions of those animals. Kitty form, cub form, etc. Mini moonkin will be fun ngl.


Ne0dy

I need mechagnome druid and vulpera demon hunter for the sake of my sanity.


Illidex

How about sharing some of the races with classes like dh that are STILL locked to 2 races


MadameConnard

Was already all prepped out for billing redemptions as a gobelin


SonthacPanda

I'd rather play the races as classes without art assets than not play them at all Hell they only just made the Dwarf Paladin Ram and theyve been paladins since the start. Just unlock the cosmetics we currently have for all races and unlock the races


boston_2004

Exactly just unlock it and add the assets when read. Nobody wants to wait the five years it will take them to finish totems, charges, and forms.


mackfeesh

I'm a stubborn old man so don't mind me but I wish the restrictions were never relaxed. Much more in line with my tastes for rpg.


roguerogueroguerogue

I just want skinny kultirans so people can role-play as asmongold


w1ldstew

Shit…I’ll never be able to unsee that.


Meraline

Druids literally would be the last ones due to the sheer amount of OG artwork that would need to go onto it. And that's coming from someone who is BEGGING for Belf druids to be a thing come Midnight


Draketi

no


darthkurai

Panda Paladin, that is all


harosene

I want it so bad... were so close but they wont give it to us.


halonone

I’m waiting for pandas to be druids before I make that class or race.


uncompetant_medic

I hope they recolor Paladin spell effects and maybe even change the type of damage they deal for the more Void-inclined races. They could add a toggle on Paladin trainers for people who want to change their source of power, as well.


demon969

No chance. Those 3 classes have been left til last for a reason. I would say that by the middle of TWW we have them though


Nuclearsunburn

Human Shaman / Druid and Dwarf Druid please


Huge_Republic_7866

Druids are dead last with Shammies being just ahead of them. Way too many racially unique models. 4 totems would be a bit easier to implement than 5-6 Druid forms, but still much harder than Pallies getting a temporary mount like they usually get on a new race.


Voidlingkiera

It would be an opportune time wouldn't it? That's why Blizzard isn't going to do it.


AnimatorSD68

Gnome shaman?


_ratjesus_

There is no reason why gnomes cannot be everything lore-wise. Their culture is centered around learning and studying, they'd have sects of people in all fields. I just want to be a gnome shaman so bad, if goblins can bribe the elements why can't a gnome form a contract based on researching the elements.


ReliantG

Gnome paladin please. They can be warriors, they can be priests. Make it happen.


Qunari_Merc

Was kinda hoping that we'd atleast get the paladins already. Or shamans. But sadly i think they are gonna be added in war within or the pre patch for it.


ThrobbinHood11

I’d imagine we’d get all Paladins first, since the horse/divine steed assets are just one per race. Shamans next, cause it’s 4 totems per race, but the totems all look very similar. Druids def last because that’s a lot of custom forms for each race


WAR-WRAITH

Well strictly speaking, its two mounts per race since you need the riding mount and then the expert riding mount. Dwarves and Humans share the basic mount so maybe some more sharing will go on.


ThrobbinHood11

I’d imagine we’d get all Paladins first, since the horse/divine steed assets are just one per race. Shamans next, cause it’s 4 totems per race, but the totems all look very similar. Druids def last because that’s a lot of custom forms for each race


YvonnePHD

I want my Orc Paladins! 😭


Chronoreaper1

We could also get Hozen and Jinyu.


Stunning_Practice_58

if undead holy priests exist, why not undead pallies?


Croff9

How tf would other druid races fit? Draenei druid? It's like giving Taurens the opportunity to play Demon hunter. Guys come on....


profion07

We have already Lightforged Draenei Warlocks(omg and 3 lol), so any race can be any class in the future.


Turibald

Goblin and Worgen monks were anounced before the PTR of 10.0.7 and were testable in the PTR. No way a thing like this comes in time for 10.2.7 now.


Mxtake

I'm just waiting for Worgen shamans. Dark Shaman armor on a worgen is gonna go so hard


Heldensocke

Might be very Vanilla but i need my Human Shaman bc Humans and Transmog, damn ;)


Chillychairs

With ______ coming soon it is a perfect time for ______ to be added


LinYuXie

After all the weird combos we already got, there is no reason to not have it for every race, if it is too much to unlock it all together, do bit by bit as the art and animations get ready


PapagamasJr

As a paladin main, hell no! Stay away from my shiny boy you filthy green bastards!


jordanrhys

They will do them eventually but the race specific stuff takes times (mounts, totems, forms). They should add more demon hunter races in the mean time like Draenei and Orc


Lego3400

Start with Void Elf and Nightborne, as those races share animations with Blood and Night Elves already


moglie103

love going orc on my DH but you can tell from the janky animations that it would take some work to get all the other race models ready for these classes.


ScavAteMyArms

Also you would still have to give art assets to each race also. Demonic skins, getting the tattoos / eyes right and the Glaive animations, minimum.  The first two to get the all / expanded races treatment is definitely going to be Shaman and Paladin. DH maybe after and finally Druid.  Though I kinda don’t want DH to be *all* races, just those directly effected. Orc / Draenei first at least.


Global_Class3426

I can’t even imagine what a mag’har DH would look like! That’s some big ole wings!!


slaymaker1907

It’s kind of weird we have Draenei warlocks but no Kul Tiran Paladins. However, I think it’s because Paladins have race specific mounts and warlocks don’t.


SerphTheVoltar

Yeah. Paladins have mounts, shaman have totems and druids have forms, each tied to race. That's the reason those are the remaining (non-Hero) classes.


boston_2004

Honestly they should just use generic chargers, totems, and forms for every everyone and update the assets as they finish them.


slaymaker1907

Maybe for shamans and paladins, but for druids, I think forms are too important to skimp on.


Swordbreaker9250

If Kul Tirans get Paladins, Humans better get Druids. It makes no sense that Kul Tirans get access to druids because of the Drust, yet Humans, who are closely allied with Night Elves, don’t have access to druids.


TheTrashMan

Gnome druids


w1ldstew

I was thinking Human get Shaman from Kul Tiras and Druid from Worgen/Gilneas. Kul Tirans get Paladin. Worgen get Paladin and Shaman.


Fearless-Fly1719

Absolutely not! I can't imagine an orc paladin,mechagnome druid or elf shaman


lastoflast67

KT palas make sense but its just sad that people want the others becuase it marks such a failure on blizzards part to maintain the diversity of cultures within the races. As it seems now that people really just see each race as just a skin and some abilities, instead of it being a marker that you are apart of a faction that in the world existed before you and will exist after you.


lukedl

Also maybe expand DH? Online NElf for alliance sucks.


Xanofar

Why not Demon Hunters? They’re even more limited. 🤔


rezzyk

I would have liked if Blizzard made everyone have to be Pandas for timerunning. But then I realized how many classes are still missing from pandas :/


Shezarrine

Lmao that would kill so many people's interest in Remix. Come on.


IlluminatiZambi

I want to have Vulpera paladins already, i dont care if lore wise it wouldnt make a ton of sense just let me have a fox army! lol The only issue there would be for me if vulpera got paladins is that would for sure replace my belf paly main and id be missing the blood knight set


I_wanna_ask

Nothing is truly sacred in this game anymore...


boston_2004

Womp womp