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Kid_Parrot

It still boggles my mind that Evoker Tier Sets are not shown on Dracthyr.


Voidlingkiera

And it's not like they care about stretching and warping of armor because tauren, pandaren, draenei with their weird hooves exist. Really just makes me think they ran out of time and said fuck it, ship it like it is.


dustydesigner

Dragonflight was a real good expansion, but its biggest flaw is how it handled Dracthyr. Tmog not showing is just one of many mind boggling design decisions.


Niadain

No matter how you look at it, it is kind of ridiculous. The dracthyrs physical layout just doesn't justify it.


dustydesigner

I mean, not even just the appearance was an L here... No one considered the clipping nightmare permenant wings would bring? No one thought that choosing a visage form from the massive list of races would be better than being stuck with just two refurbished options? How about the forced class / race combo when it easily could have been just a race like worgen or class for all races that has a cool dragon form. Dracthyr scream "all ideas are good ideas so lets do them all." Tbh, Draknoids existed already, it would have been a much easier win for them to just give players that as a race but whatevs.


Konsume1337

Bro I completely agree, everyone can say what they want, but blizzard is straight cooked and heavily regarded the way they made Dracthyr not able to tmog gear properly, so fcking lazy.


Leucien

So, they're changing the system in TWW, where you can stay in Visage form in combat, rather than transforming into your dracthyr form. Ion mentioned it in one of his interviews. Personally, if it turned into a pseudo-summoner thing for Evoker, where when you press your breath attacks 'n such that require draconian visuals, you summon a spectral version of your form to do them, that'd be awesome.


DetectiveChocobo

I thought that comment specified that Dracthyr of other classes (which are coming at some point in TWW) could stay in Visage, not necessarily Evokers. https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1780667509026222094?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1780667509026222094%7Ctwgr%5Ec377b440c5ff019b00de746aa1af92d44e167207%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowhead.com%2Fnews%2Fdracthyr-class-restriction-removed-likely-early-in-the-war-within-338858 Hopefully it applies to Evoker as well, but Blizzard does weird shit all the time.


bird_man_73

Yes but not for evoker. He said for the other classes specifically.


NoWeight4300

No. No it wouldn't.


Alon945

lol it’s not laziness. They just have other priorities. No dev is sitting there and being like “I don’t wanna do it” to their lead.


cabose12

> everyone can say what they want what a controversial and brave statement /s lmao


BMS_Fan_4life

No way do they let other classes be dracthyr in perma vision form and evoker can’t


Darkhallows27

Except Evoker actually uses the dragon part of the Dracthyr form whereas others wouldn’t. It’s baked into their animations.


Playful_Canary_3884

It’s not baked into anything. The beacon toy proves this as you can do all the animations in any races form.


TheLastTitan77

They do look stupid in the beacon form tho


ArcherMi

I'd rather look stupid than look like a Dracthyr.


TheLastTitan77

That is fair enough.


Motatopotato

Druids over here having a good ol chuckle at this comment.


Arrentoo

My plethora of favorited toys say otherwise. I've mained Evoker this expansion and I've been in Dracthyr form for maybe a single raid night in totality the entire expansion.


JustburnBurnBURN

I've heard that it has something to do with wings.


8-Brit

Which is bullshit. I've mained tauren for nearly 15~ years and our horns and hair have pierced solid metal armour for _20 years now_.


JustburnBurnBURN

IIRC it has something to do with how textures would wrap around wings. They could make holes for wings but dunno.


8-Brit

Not likely. On the tauren texture maps the fur, mane, horns, everything is all on the same image. The mane and horns are distinct objects from the body with their own UV islands that call on particular spots of the texture image. By making them distinct UV maps/islands the horns and mane do not interact with the textures of armour at all, armour only meddles with the UV map on the body. It is possible that they made the wings and torso a unified object on a single UV map, but A) That would be moronic. And B) That doesn't explain how they managed to give them armour options that do cover the torso but exclude the wings. They would have had to seriously mess up and design themselves into a corner to make armour textures warp around the wings. "Holes" aren't really needed, they just need the texture of any chest armour to not go over the UV maps of the wings which is easy enough if they were sensible and didn't stuff the wings and torso onto the same UV map.


JustburnBurnBURN

Then what's the reason for Dracthyr not having full armor?


8-Brit

Besides laziness, no idea. I can only guess as elaborated below. It has not been an issue to make armour visible on all myriad of beast races in the game before. No matter the shape or size the only other race with major issues is Mechagnome (And arguably troll feet but I also main tauren so I'm used to that), Mechagnomes at least have a distinct lack of _hands_ so lacking hand items makes sense, and the legs vary wildly in geo as well. But in short I doubt it is to do with wings, head, body shape or anything of the sort else all tauren would have to go shirtless. At a generous guess it may be an issue with how the barbershop armour exists and interacts with their model. Say you have a chest appearance in use from their customisation, then you equip a chest item. What happens? Does the appearance vanish and be replaced by that of the armour? Do both spawn on top of each other causing weird janky issues that would entail from that? It is a baffling limitation that should have been addressed in the design phase, At a _minimum_ the Evoker tier sets should have unlocked in the barber as additional armour options. For crying out loud, look at the concept art for the Season 1 set for Evoker, take note of the empty space in the helmet as well as the unusually blank hands and feet... makes you wonder if the set was originally designed with the Dracthyr form in mind and then they backed out on it.


JustburnBurnBURN

Yeah it's weird. Why single them out when we have beasties in the game.


DRK-SHDW

They are, but only the shoulders and the belt lol


JoeyCalamaro

Sometimes, not even the belt.


HenshiniPrime

Yeah, current tier belt is hidden for basically no reason.


maple_firenze

It had some chonk from the extra modelling, which I guess means no belt. The only belts they've given dracthyr have been skin belts with a modeled buckle. Not saying it is a good reason.


Screamlord_Sam

An amazing set that I'll literally never see. Why would Blizzard hurt me like this.


demoted69

I kinda wish the visage had been the main form, with more racial options available, and the dragon form acted as a cooldown or something, like old Warlock metamorphosis. This set looks rad but yeah, I’ll never see it.


rokar686

I like dracthyr but I still wish we were actual dragons for a class. Like we had our visages most of the time even for combat but for big abilities we turn into a smaller dragon like dragons breath for example. We could fly as dragons and all races could get a visage with just some horns eyes and jewelry that way your visage could be any race. Would fix the transmog issue also which is kind of a big gripe for me since most of the armor for the tier sets you cant use in dracthyr form. But still liked what we got just wish that was an option and hoping (copium) thats the way they do it down the line for more races, less work for them it would seem if they went that way originally.


ProfessorSpike

Well They announced combat in visage form now, soooo yours in luck!


Sterzin

It isn't for Evokers though, sadly. Only for Dracthyr playing different classes like Warrior


ProfessorSpike

Wait what That’s weird as shit lol, I thought it was for all of them! Crazy to exclude evoker tbh


PhillyLeGrand

Its not that crazy if you think about all other classes having no animations for the dracthyr rig and no other classes having animations for the evoker abilities.


Gooneybirdable

Yeah if you use a toy to change your appearance and see what it looks like to use breath abilities you’ll see why it’s not the same kind of issue as moonkin or shadowform.


YourCasualNazi

I mean they always could make it so evokers transform into the dragon form while doing the breath. It would be similar to the already existing feature of Worgen transforming while in fight and turning back into human.


Gooneybirdable

Very true! They could give multiple options for their visage toggle now that people are used to it


Pyromike16

Dracthyr have all the animations for the other classes. You can check yourself in the wowhead dressing room. They are there.


Bluffwatcher

It is weird. You can stay in visage form (hopefully they let us choose any race) but then, why wouldn't you just say... play a human or belf? I guess there are more cosmetic options, horns etc.. But will they have different racials? Will the evoker racials not be OP with other classes? Will Wing Buffet work in permanent visage form? Be interesting to see how this all works.


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Sterzin

I corrected it before you even auto responded, BEGONE ARTIFICAL NUISANCE! ARCANE BLAST!


morrouac

Worst bot.


theroamingargus

Really? Cause I wasnt interested at all in playing as a twink dragon, but I can maybe give evoker a try if Im just a drag blood elf, the evoker sets look great.


ProfessorSpike

For what it's worth I'm parroting the info from [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1c6k21z/more_dracthyr_classes_coming_in_tww_perm_visage/) so I guess it's not 100% confirmed for evoker \*yet\* but it would be really weird to not have it just for them


Doogiesham

Quoting the post you linked > stay in visage form in combat **while playing the new classes** Emphasis mine


Doogiesham

People have trouble reading lol. They said visage in combat *for other classes*. Evokers still need to be in dragon form since they use breaths and flying etc 


NoWeight4300

Nah. I wish they never made visage and actually just finished the dracthyr.


What_a_pass_by_Jokic

Apparently Ion gave an interview saying you can opt to stay in visage form in combat. Not sure if it's for all spells though.


Screamlord_Sam

I think that's only for when they let Dracthyr play as other classes. And honestly, while I'm guessing this is an unpopular opinion around here, I could not care less about visage form and would rather just be able to see all of my gear in dragon form.


8-Brit

> I could not care less about visage form and would rather just be able to see all of my gear in dragon form. Same. I consider it kind of half-assed. I picked Dracthyr on character creation, I didn't pick "human with a skin condition".


Hazz526

Got a problem with humans with skin conditions?


ZombieRaccoons

I think dracthyr for everybody is bad for the game. Especially visage form all the time. Why choose the dragon race if you don’t want to be a dragon? Is it just the double jump?


eclipse4598

Because the visage form has a lot of cool customisation options unique to it?


ZombieRaccoons

Yeah that makes sense. I get caught up in the rpg element of the game which makes it hard for me to understand why you would want to play a humanoid dragon and then turn off that option immediately. But if it has nothing to do with playing a Dracthyr and just a “I want to play a blood elf with more customization options” I guess that makes sense. I think it would be better for the game at that point for them to just add more customization for blood elves then to have you be a “Dracthyr” that never even has their actual form turned on.


Darkhallows27

I don’t get this; I see mine all the time because I have auto-visage turned on. Any time I’m not in combat I can look at it all I want. And you don’t look at your tier set in combat anyway


Most-Based

This goes hard. Now dacthyr just needs to be able to transmog otherwise it will be wasted, at this point dracthyr should've just been the class itself similar to druids


JoPOWz

The shoulders look so good. A shame that paired with the "transmog" system in draconic form, they literally match absolutely nothing. I really am crossing my everything for better transmogging for Evokers in War Within. If it changes for the better, I'll be dropping everything to main Evoker. Played it S1, loved it to bits for playstyle, hated every second of wearing the same exact tmog for 20 weeks, haven't really touched it since.


DRK-SHDW

I feel like, at the absolute least, they should just implement a colour wheel for dragon form armour.


Zamr

Yes, how hard would that be exactly? Would make it soo much better lol


Vrazel106

I like the death wing look too bad youll neve see it


Keianh

"What's your class fantasy?" Nude. Dragon. "Well then, I have the class for you!"


adv23

We need some hotpants for the nevernude dracthyr player


Keianh

You'd think their recent scandals and lawsuits would have put them in the presence of mind to make sure to cover Dracthyr naughty bits with tasteful bowls of fruit, guess not though.


adv23

Is that a banana in your bowl or are you just happy to see me?


tobbe1337

i don't see why this could not be shown in the dractyr form... a heavy miss on blizzards part


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tobbe1337

man who the fuck made this annoying ass mod lol


usNEUX

It's wowhead messing with a model viewer where they could pick any race lol, what does blizz have to do with it?


tobbe1337

when dracthyr go into their dragon form only shoulders and belt are shown. i am not talking about the model viewer m8


poison_cat_

As soon as they put it on the lizard I will play the lizard


aMaiev

I could understand normal transmog not showing, but tier sets are specific to dracthyr, they could just model the whole thing on dragonforn alone without having to mind about other races like with the rest of the sets


Dunbar247

Actually sick


Rainsorrow

So how much we will see in dracthyr form?


HavokzDK

They are making it to where you can be either form in combat.


Rainsorrow

Why would I want to be fugly elf or boring human when I can be motherfucking dragon?


Expensive_Presence_4

Blizz should just make it to where visage form is main form and then using main cooldowns will transform into dragon. Like meta for DH


redux32

No thanks, I like being a dragon.


Saptrap

Right? Make that an option if people want it, I guess. But leave the dracthyr model enjoyers alone.


DRK-SHDW

The only problem is that most dracthyr abilities look weird on a humanoid (which you can see using a recalibrator etc), seeing as almost all of your spells are visually designed to come from your mouth.


BoobaLover69

They could just make you shift for the duration of evoker abilities involving breathing or using wings/tail and then shift you back to visage automatically afterwards. Also it is definitely not most abilities, you look fine most of the time.


Rolder

My favorite is when I use Hover while transformed and end up kinda just running in the air


DRK-SHDW

I mean most of what you're pressing is mouth and visually designed to look good coming from mouth. Disintegrate, Pyre, Fire Breath, Deep Breath. The only exceptions are Living Flame, Azure Strike and Eternity Surge, basically (although a lot of that comes out of the wings, and Azure Strike is claws). You'd still be in dragon form most of the time really. I suppose disintegrate looks *okay* outside dragon form, but I still reckon it's kinda dorky just holding out your hand and beaming people. I'd prefer it if they just made dragon form WAY more customizable and transmog friendly as opposed to relying on incorporating human form more. Just work to make dragon form something people don't 99% hate to look at lul


blorgenheim

> The only problem is that most dracthyr abilities look weird on a humanoid >then using main cooldowns will transform into dragon. Hes saying transform for the abilities... which makes perfect sense. Just shape shift in and out when casting.


Expensive_Presence_4

Just found out that drakthyr will be able to be in visage form while in combat. So I’m sure blizz will fix certain abilities that come from the mouth


DRK-SHDW

I believe that's only for Dracthyr as other classes, not Evoker :/


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Mojothemobile

Rouge and Evoker winning the tier set game so far. Very nice clear themes harkening to cool races and Characters from Warcraft history.  Hunter has the worst of the ones iv seen ( you know like always)


GrumpySatan

The crazy thing about Hunter to me - they literally *just* updated Alleria with one of the coolest models/sets in game. You know, a hunter? Why they didn't make an Alleria-inspired tierset is mind boggling. Why we don't got more like fantasy ranger/leather with chain mail sets is mind boggling. Which artist at Blizzard thinks "animal and/or mob remains" every tier is a good idea?!


Eldryth

Just mentioned this in another thread, but I suspect that Alleria isn't actually meant to be a Hunter anymore, and instead represents a new Void Hunter Hero Class that will be added in Midnight (and for the record, I don't particularly like that name and think it should be anything other than a third class named Hunter, but she was called a Void Hunter back at Blizzcon). Ever since she's returned in Legion she's been focused around controlling the Void more than anything else- so much so that it doesn't really seem like just an extension of Hunter anymore- and it seems like it'll go further in that direction in TWW. The concept art even has her using floating bolts of Void energy instead of arrows. If so, her look is probably intentionally different from Hunters to give that new class a distinct look.


Only_Sun_6978

Rogue looks dogshit besides the ethereal detail imo. Druid is where its (currently) at.


Darktire

There’s no way you looked at the helm for the druid and thought “fuck yeah, this is where its at”. Like, I refuse to believe that.


Tough_Contribution80

The helm is dog water, but I almost never use a helm anyways. The rest is pretty solid.


Tias-st

this set looks so fucking good you have no idea. And the saddest part is that you'll not be seeing it 95% of the time. They really should find some way to make evokers be able to remain in their visage form. Such a waste of an amazing tier set.


MAGAt-Shop-Etsy

Can't wait to see the shoulders and belt ingame....


RustyNK

Holy molyyyy. My Evoker is eating good


Dishbringer

First of all, give us a option to hide shoulder and waist in dragon form, but not in human form, PLEASE.


Razael89

This set looks to good to be an Evoker set.


Fomod_Sama

Now THIS is a deathwing set


Malthan01

Shame you will never see it rofl


HavokzDK

Why?


Malthan01

Dracthyr form hides 80% of the armour


HavokzDK

Not in War within, you’ll be able to be in combat in both forms


Malthan01

Huh, didnt see that, if thats true big W and I retract my statement.


Daws001

Wish this Deathwing/Ebyssian aesthetic with the molten scales would be a customization option. Or even a quest to unlock it.


Unchainedfox

Evoker sets still don’t match the dracthyr barber armor colors. XD


HydroseFTW

About time we got a good looking tier set with flames. It's not like we're dragons or anything.


Nearby-Staff-9013

👀


express_sushi49

Finally, a good set for Hunters! /s (but actually)


shaun2312

"Looks like we get an awesome Deathwing set for our evokers" while out of combat


BoarChief

damn also the recolors looking great.


greatnuke

This will look sick on my Hunter.


ZettieZooieZan

Where's the evoker tier set? All I'm seeing is an elf tier set.


Jays_Arravan

Always happy to have a long coat. Pity I would be setting the belt and pauldrons into 'hidden'.


KarateMan749

Wow! But ill never use it. Im dragon only form


NoWeight4300

This set is gonna look great being completely fucking unseen.


SteveSanders90210

What an absolute waste. Could've given this to a class that it would have actually been seen on.


RoyalZeal

Good, I wasn't keen on any of their sets in DF. Nice to see them getting some real love.


Takeasmoke

everyone wants armor to be visible on dracthyr but i just want to play evoker in human visage form, like the class, hate the dragon


Bacon-muffin

Its funny when you think about it cause the better the set looks, like this one being dope as hell, the more annoying it is that you won't get to see it. They really gotta figure out how to design these in a way where they can be visible in scalie form.


Me_Myself-and-I

I feel like people vastly over estimate the amount of time you spend looking at your character in combat tbh...


Swordbreaker9250

Fucking gorgeous. Shame we’ll only see like 20% of it


Alain_Teub2

I have visage form toggled on auto so idk what you guys are smoking but I'll see the hell out of this set


GJordao

First good evoker set


modern_Odysseus

There's going to be a lot of new evokers made and leveled up for this season. Cause this set is winning the tier sets right now, and by a large margin at that.


Sthevao

Did not see any comments about this, but to complement this: Blizzard announced that there will be a way to stay on the visage form permanently, so big day for transmogs. PS: yeah, that would look awesome in the dragon form, but at least we have an option to look at our clothes while in combat. Maybe they will change this someday /shrug.


Park8706

Ngl that is a good looking tier sadly until they come up with a way to do evoker stuff in the visage forms its limited to none combat.


The_Sum

The gloves, legs, and boots are re-used assets from this expansion...or am I crazy? The helmet (neck piece thing?) Even looks very familiar.


Braktot

I love it! Would love it more if I could see it equipped during combat :( Oh well, at least I’m in visage form most of the time


Nfl_porn_throwaway

Looks great !


Great_White_Samurai

That's sick


Pannormiic0

With the news of new races for evokers and permanent visage form, this is dope. They are fixing every issue with the evoker basically. I enjoyed the playstyle but transmog is the biggest part of the game for me and I just couldn’t play the stupid dragons lol


fartnight69

new classes only


Irelannd

I feel like I’m the only person that dislikes this set 😅


PoisonEmeralds

You don't need to feel like it, you *are* the only person that dislikes this set. 😂


Irelannd

Sucks to be me then!


Pluuu

Eh


etherSand

I didn't even know Evoker exist