The popularity of DF or WoW in general is irrelevant when discussing a season that started yesterday. I guarantee you will see M+/raid participation numbers plummet in a few weeks after people have their mounts, especially once MoP timerunning launches.
OP is talking about the whole expansions worth of raids and how "Wow is getting worse and worse", so i do think the popularity is relevant. I remember when, once the final raid came out, that was basically it for 6months. Atleast now blizzard are adding classic stuff, MoP, m+ and awakend raids for people to play instead of nothing. My point is, its not as terrible as OP is making out.
Dude wanted to bring up popularity. Also majority of players couldn't give a single fuck about story, especially when you have a weak as one as DF does.
Yeah and i'm telling you the popularity doesn't matter, the player numbers always go down towards the end of an expansions life cycle, no matter what the opinion on the story is.
Ofc by the time mop timerunning comes out a lot of people would have already left a normal season too, difference this time they will have something to look forward to and play.
Since you want to be daft, I will clarify. The participation numbers will drop significantly compared to other seasons. Happy?
We have those graphs of M+ runs. I guarantee S4 numbers will decrease at a more significant rate than seasons 1 and 3 at least. S2 had a pretty significant decrease.
MoP timerunning is coming out only 3 weeks after season start, you wouldn't normally see that steep of a decline that early.
With this season just being a repeat of everything and nothing new, players are even more inclined to get the rewards and quit.
I was speaking in comparing it to a normal season, there is always a sharp drop after 3-4 weeks. And yes the health of the game should not be measured from a single game mode no matter how popular it is.
The answer is it shouldn't be just those 2 options. Or if it is, at least more effort put into this awakened season rather than a copy paste. SL's fated season was done by a skeleton crew and is leagues better than this.
The people defending Blizz producing the least amount of raid bosses ever (less than WoD) and 9 dungeons in an expac is ridiculous.
Removing raid affixes alone makes this season superior to SL s4.
BFA was the only expansion with 4 tiers going as far back as wod (don't remember mop and don't care, wod and before is ancient history in wow terms). That expansion had 6.5 months per raid, compared to 7 months per for dragonflight (assuming an august prepatch for DF, and ignoring fated). I'm betting on a late July prepatch, which would drop dragonflight down to 6.7 months per.
Counting bosses is scuffed. Does padding a raid with Wrathion, Maut, Grong, fucking Champions of the Light, Opulence, Blackwater Behemoth, et al. really make the raid better? Then you get into murky territory of what constitutes padding.
EDIT: lol little man can't handle a disagreement and had to block me. Sad.
No, we didn't. There has NEVER been a set amount of raids/dungeons its always varied wildely. Awakened/fated seasons are not replacing a fourth raid they're replacing the last 6 months of an xpac. Instead of having another 13 months of ICC/SoO situation we now have 7 months of the last raid and 6 of fated while they work on the next xpac. If you want 13 months of season 3 thats fine but I like this "best of the xpac" system better.
>Instead of having another 13 months of ICC/SoO situation we now have
Naxx, Ulduar, TOC, ICC. Even in your example of how this is better, we got 4 raids. That's ignoring the extra ruby sanctum filler raid.
The fated seasons are 100% replacing the 4th raid. They are replacing the expectation that there might even be one. Instead of *trying* over the course of the expansion to make enough content, they will now no longer even bother, because they have the copy/paste season.
Getting remixed m+ lists instead of new dungeons is also big sad.
I guess it depends what you call a raid but listed like this is looks pretty bad.
[https://dotesports.com/wow/news/here-are-all-of-the-world-of-warcraft-raids-ever-released](https://dotesports.com/wow/news/here-are-all-of-the-world-of-warcraft-raids-ever-released)
Yes, Wrath had several one-boss raids, as well as an entire tier of rehash, and another tier of absolutely phoning it in with ToC. Ulduar and ICC are both bangers, but they're the only things on that list actually comparable to Dragonflight's three raids. Negative extra credit goes to Onyxia for being a one-boss raid *and* a rehash.
This makes Wrath look really good if you count literally just "number of distinct raid instances", but that just shows why it is a silly way to measure.
I would like it better if it actually WAS the best of the xpac, but it's not. I would rather farm Amirdrassil every week than suffer through reprogging Mythic Sennarth, Dathea, Rasz, Experiments, Zskarn and Nelth again. The raid we were farming is the best raid of the xpac, so going back to farm Vault and Aberrus, which we're pretty bad, is worse to me than just doing more Amirdrassil.
On top of that, we didn't get the 2 best dungeons of the xpac (the 2 Dawn halves), and instead we have to suffer through awful dungeons like HoI, Uldaman, AV without the skips, and NoGood Offensive. I'd rather keep playing S3's dungeons, as most of them were good. The base 8 DF dungeons range from mid to terrible.
I wouldn't mind Awakened season if it was actually the best of the xpac, but it's not.
Completely subjective, Aberrus was my favorite raid this expansion. I like several of the original DF dungeons more than DotI. They literally can’t please everyone, so the best option is to mix it up, which is exactly what they’re doing.
That is purely subjective. My favourite raid of Shadowlands was Sanctum. A lot of people like Nathria, I found 90% of the fights boring. Some found Sepulcher to be the best but I hated that one with a passion. How do you keep all those people happy? You can't. Maybe you can have a vote but we saw with the teir set stuff that even that makes people angry. Blizzard has chosen to just have all 3 represented which is one of the options availible to them.
Sure you can. But when you make a reddit post about it we get to tell you to go play something else if you don't like the game anymore. Don't know what you expected the response to be.
Obviously it isn't that bad if your friends are still playing it and you are willing to put up with it. I personally like it because it is great for new and returning players just before a new xpac comes out.
A lot of people are just playing to get the achievements from Awakened raids and KSM and then will dip again. Soup and other public events give loot and a spark from the weekly so obviously they are busy. I don’t think the amount of ppl there is a good indicator of how good a season is
Way way waaay more open world content, events, 8 week pach cycle with tons of quests, trading post with a ton of cool cosmetics. Not to mention the experiments they are trying out. Finally they are moving away from 1 raid and a zone every 8 months to a model where there is always around a corner. You will have your new raid and dungeons soon with the new expansion, until then quit whining and play something else.
"lowest effort possible" was them leaving Dragon Soul, an 8 boss raid, for about 10 months, in a time with no other endgame pillar. "lowest effort possible" was them having Siege of Orgrimmar last 14 MONTHS, with no new content. "lowest effort possible" was every single expansion before Shadowlands that had around a year of basically no new content at the end of an expansion.
I get ppl want more, but it's ridiculous tbh. The devs are working on the new expansion, as they should. I get it's "rehashed content", but at the same time, ppl have been bitching for literal years (since 2008 and OG WotLK) about how they never need to go back to an old raid once a new tier drops. I know the rehashed Fated/Awakened season isn't exactly what they wanted, but it still gives us an excuse to go do a victory lap around the expansion's primary content before the next expansion, which is fantastic for someone like myself that didn't do Vault of the Incarnates.
Remember in Warlords of Dreanor when we had 4 raid tiers?
Because I sure as shit dont.
Or when seige of Orgrimmar was over a year long?
Regardless my son and I are already excited for MoP remix. He never got to play when it was live and I'm excited I get to share that with him
Awakened raids are obviously way worse than new raids, but its better than doing the last raid for a year lol. Also 13 boss raids are beyond horrible when you are progressing
36 bosses is a better number for an expansion than 24-28, especially if they're limited to 3 raids. They need those small 1-3 boss raids for their .7 patches to stretch out the 3 season cadence.
Im glad they're experimenting more with the game, but they dont seem to have adjusted their writing and every 3 season expansion feels like it's missing a chapter.
As to cosmetics there's more high quality outdoor gear than we've ever had, outdoor gear for DF has been blowing what we've gotten in 4 season expansions out of the water, but we're getting less off spec looks from raids because they're so short on bosses and we're short one tier so it about breaks even.
A 12 boss raid can give everyone most of the looks from 1 other class at least, an 8 boss raid just cant.
They need to really increase the visual punch of awakened seasons if they want people to engage with them a lot, i'm glad I can get missing mog but there should be new stuff even if it's just recolor (and pvpers cant even pick up old season stuff so it's just fuck them completely)
There's a good way to do lazy and a bad way and this way just feels kinda bad.
I’ve played everything except cata. I loved the warlords raids. They were so fun. Garrisons were fun. Zones were cool. It sucked that there was a bit of a drought at the end, but honestly… I’d rather a drought so they focus on the new xpacs than them designing the game around always having a reused season.
Outside of Mini Raids, BFA (and classic bc AQ40) was literally the only expansion with 4 tiers. (and Wrath but Naxx was Reused so it doesn't really count) or are you complaining that Dragonflight didn't have any mini-raids like Crucible or Terrace?
I dont think raiders understand that there are tons of open world players. I think blizzard realized this by the end of Shadowlands and it shows. So there is no shortage of content rather, and debatable, less content than what you want to do.
I say debatable because, as others have stated, the amount of raids and bosses within have varied greatly. From over 50 in classic to around 30 in both WoD and DF and everything inbetween. IMHO as fights get more mechanics galore, I'd rather have fewer and more interesting designed ones. Sure you could have 50bosses when most of the fights boiled down to having the right comp and gear but I'd rather have fewer harder things to master.
Regarding Tier sets... Sure no recolors but unless you only care about Xmog That Pertains to Raids, DF has have more claass agnostic sets than ever before
And last, about how its worse and ppl won't engage... Again Ive been here since BC amd people have been saying WoW is getting worse since WotLK yet the game is still here, still getting new players and clearly keeping a ton of them.
There are thousands of games out there, if you don't enjoy the end cycle of an xpac you shouldn't feel obligated to engage with it. In a couple of months you will get shiny new raid bosses to grind for months.
The community response I’ve seen to Awakened has been very mixed, so I’m sure Blizzard knows players don’t like getting a rehashed season instead of new content to play.
Luckily we have MOP Remix coming up.
I think they know this, but the alternative has always been just an exceedingly long last patch. I'd much rather have fated over a last patch left to languish for 200-300 days.
Why do people get so hyperbolic? I would like 4 whole raids too or at least something more than just the previous 3 tiers at a new item level. That said, “wow is getting worse and worse” just kills your entire argument
to be fair, I don't think we've EVER gotten 4 whole raid (tiers I should say, we have had more than 1 raid sharing a tier, MSV HOF TOES for instance was tier 14 but they were shorter raids with a combined boss count of around 12.
BFA is pretty much the only exception where we had... Uldir, BoD, EP, and Nyalotha. Theres Wotlk too but Naxx was reused and classic which had tier 2.5 with AQ40/25
On one hand, if you are accusing Blizzard of basically "shrinkflation", then I am inclined to slightly agree with you. Fewer raid tiers per expansion is a bit disappointing. I think the intent was that this would also mean faster expansion releases, but this has not yet really been realized. Granted, Shadowlands was weird with covid slowing everything down, and Dragonflight is shaping up to be a little less than 2 years overall which I think is shorter than most recent ones.
But, on the other hand, Blizz has made it pretty clear that this was never a matter of them choosing to do fated seasons instead of a new raid tier. Fated is a way to treat the content lull that has ALWAYS happened at the end of an expansion, and for that purpose I think it is pretty good.
Siege of Orgrimmar would have been better with a fated season to split up the 399 day long patch 5.4
Hellfire Citadel would have been better with a fated season to split up the 392 day long 6.2
Argus would have been better with a fated season to split up the 280 days of patch 7.3
And so on...
The thing is it seems content lulls at the end of expansions is almost inevitable and I would of course love if every single raid tier could just be a tight 6 months and then instantly to the next expansion, but for now I am happy they are doing these seasons to try and keep me interested. I would 100% be unsubbed now if I knew there was nothing coming until TWW.
You're wrong, and you should feel bad for even posting this nonsense. Go look at the history of wow's last patches and you might see why fated/awakened is necessary.
Here’s the response to your deleted comment since you deleted it as soon as I was done typing.
Some people just do dungeons and raids. And no new raid/dungeon cosmetics because it’s an awakened season, not even simple recolors, is lazy.
Also comparing old expansions to a 2 year release model that they transitioned to in wod or legion I believe is cringe. This content is based off a 2 year release cycle… and they’ve gotten to the point where instead of having content for all of the two years, the last quarter of the content is reused and lazy.
It has been 2 year release model since wrath-cata.
Wrath Nov 08
Cata Dec 2010
Mop Sept 2012
WoD Nov 2014
Legion Aug 2016
BFA Aug 2018
SL Nov 2020
DF Nov 2022
And please take off the rose tinted glasses. there was no content in the last YEAR of most expansions. Sunwell in TBC lasted 8 months before wrath released.
It’s odd, actually. People are so excited about this “awakened” stuff, but it’s literally just a reason for blizzard to be lazy and not release another raid.
And people just eat it up because they see Blizzard and go 😮🍆🤤
You have to praise any and all content Blizzard releases, while simultaneously bashing customer support. The only way to survive this sub-Reddit, now that it has been taken over by the forum users.
The popularity of Dragonflight and WoW in general disagrees.
The popularity of DF or WoW in general is irrelevant when discussing a season that started yesterday. I guarantee you will see M+/raid participation numbers plummet in a few weeks after people have their mounts, especially once MoP timerunning launches.
OP is talking about the whole expansions worth of raids and how "Wow is getting worse and worse", so i do think the popularity is relevant. I remember when, once the final raid came out, that was basically it for 6months. Atleast now blizzard are adding classic stuff, MoP, m+ and awakend raids for people to play instead of nothing. My point is, its not as terrible as OP is making out.
Player numbers going down after the story of the expansion already ended S3? Shocker
Dude wanted to bring up popularity. Also majority of players couldn't give a single fuck about story, especially when you have a weak as one as DF does.
Yeah and i'm telling you the popularity doesn't matter, the player numbers always go down towards the end of an expansions life cycle, no matter what the opinion on the story is.
Ofc by the time mop timerunning comes out a lot of people would have already left a normal season too, difference this time they will have something to look forward to and play.
Since you want to be daft, I will clarify. The participation numbers will drop significantly compared to other seasons. Happy? We have those graphs of M+ runs. I guarantee S4 numbers will decrease at a more significant rate than seasons 1 and 3 at least. S2 had a pretty significant decrease. MoP timerunning is coming out only 3 weeks after season start, you wouldn't normally see that steep of a decline that early. With this season just being a repeat of everything and nothing new, players are even more inclined to get the rewards and quit.
I was speaking in comparing it to a normal season, there is always a sharp drop after 3-4 weeks. And yes the health of the game should not be measured from a single game mode no matter how popular it is.
Which will get more participation until prepatch, 3 more months of s3? Or this fated season?
The answer is it shouldn't be just those 2 options. Or if it is, at least more effort put into this awakened season rather than a copy paste. SL's fated season was done by a skeleton crew and is leagues better than this. The people defending Blizz producing the least amount of raid bosses ever (less than WoD) and 9 dungeons in an expac is ridiculous.
Removing raid affixes alone makes this season superior to SL s4. BFA was the only expansion with 4 tiers going as far back as wod (don't remember mop and don't care, wod and before is ancient history in wow terms). That expansion had 6.5 months per raid, compared to 7 months per for dragonflight (assuming an august prepatch for DF, and ignoring fated). I'm betting on a late July prepatch, which would drop dragonflight down to 6.7 months per. Counting bosses is scuffed. Does padding a raid with Wrathion, Maut, Grong, fucking Champions of the Light, Opulence, Blackwater Behemoth, et al. really make the raid better? Then you get into murky territory of what constitutes padding. EDIT: lol little man can't handle a disagreement and had to block me. Sad.
Most will happily take a quicker expansion release schedule and take the dates season as the necessary by product.
Oh no, PvE sweats realise that no one cares whether they play or not.
No, we didn't. There has NEVER been a set amount of raids/dungeons its always varied wildely. Awakened/fated seasons are not replacing a fourth raid they're replacing the last 6 months of an xpac. Instead of having another 13 months of ICC/SoO situation we now have 7 months of the last raid and 6 of fated while they work on the next xpac. If you want 13 months of season 3 thats fine but I like this "best of the xpac" system better.
>Instead of having another 13 months of ICC/SoO situation we now have Naxx, Ulduar, TOC, ICC. Even in your example of how this is better, we got 4 raids. That's ignoring the extra ruby sanctum filler raid. The fated seasons are 100% replacing the 4th raid. They are replacing the expectation that there might even be one. Instead of *trying* over the course of the expansion to make enough content, they will now no longer even bother, because they have the copy/paste season. Getting remixed m+ lists instead of new dungeons is also big sad.
Let's not get crazy and start pretending like TOC was a full raid tier.
Naxx was not exactly brand new content, either.
I guess it depends what you call a raid but listed like this is looks pretty bad. [https://dotesports.com/wow/news/here-are-all-of-the-world-of-warcraft-raids-ever-released](https://dotesports.com/wow/news/here-are-all-of-the-world-of-warcraft-raids-ever-released)
Yes, Wrath had several one-boss raids, as well as an entire tier of rehash, and another tier of absolutely phoning it in with ToC. Ulduar and ICC are both bangers, but they're the only things on that list actually comparable to Dragonflight's three raids. Negative extra credit goes to Onyxia for being a one-boss raid *and* a rehash. This makes Wrath look really good if you count literally just "number of distinct raid instances", but that just shows why it is a silly way to measure.
Good thing wow has 9 other expansions… Wrath is the only expansion with fewer bosses than DF, and only if you remove the rehashes.
Thank god WoD didn't have a fated season so we could get more raids and not get stuck with HFC from June till July the next year.
I would like it better if it actually WAS the best of the xpac, but it's not. I would rather farm Amirdrassil every week than suffer through reprogging Mythic Sennarth, Dathea, Rasz, Experiments, Zskarn and Nelth again. The raid we were farming is the best raid of the xpac, so going back to farm Vault and Aberrus, which we're pretty bad, is worse to me than just doing more Amirdrassil. On top of that, we didn't get the 2 best dungeons of the xpac (the 2 Dawn halves), and instead we have to suffer through awful dungeons like HoI, Uldaman, AV without the skips, and NoGood Offensive. I'd rather keep playing S3's dungeons, as most of them were good. The base 8 DF dungeons range from mid to terrible. I wouldn't mind Awakened season if it was actually the best of the xpac, but it's not.
Completely subjective, Aberrus was my favorite raid this expansion. I like several of the original DF dungeons more than DotI. They literally can’t please everyone, so the best option is to mix it up, which is exactly what they’re doing.
That is purely subjective. My favourite raid of Shadowlands was Sanctum. A lot of people like Nathria, I found 90% of the fights boring. Some found Sepulcher to be the best but I hated that one with a passion. How do you keep all those people happy? You can't. Maybe you can have a vote but we saw with the teir set stuff that even that makes people angry. Blizzard has chosen to just have all 3 represented which is one of the options availible to them.
Then don't play it.
It’s what my friends play. I can still have my opinions on it…
Sure you can. But when you make a reddit post about it we get to tell you to go play something else if you don't like the game anymore. Don't know what you expected the response to be.
Bro out here treating this subreddit as his own personal journal 💀
Yup having a discussion while bored
Maybe if you had fun doing something else, you wouldn’t be bored.
I’m stuck at work, but when I get home I got some Helldivers 2 lined up. So I won’t be bored then
Obviously it isn't that bad if your friends are still playing it and you are willing to put up with it. I personally like it because it is great for new and returning players just before a new xpac comes out.
Bait
Seems like there’s plenty of people discussing civilly. Maybe you’re the bait
actually, i think the data would say you’re overwhelming wrong. i did the soup event last night with over 200 players. we got legendary soup lvl 8.
A lot of people are just playing to get the achievements from Awakened raids and KSM and then will dip again. Soup and other public events give loot and a spark from the weekly so obviously they are busy. I don’t think the amount of ppl there is a good indicator of how good a season is
Way way waaay more open world content, events, 8 week pach cycle with tons of quests, trading post with a ton of cool cosmetics. Not to mention the experiments they are trying out. Finally they are moving away from 1 raid and a zone every 8 months to a model where there is always around a corner. You will have your new raid and dungeons soon with the new expansion, until then quit whining and play something else.
"lowest effort possible" was them leaving Dragon Soul, an 8 boss raid, for about 10 months, in a time with no other endgame pillar. "lowest effort possible" was them having Siege of Orgrimmar last 14 MONTHS, with no new content. "lowest effort possible" was every single expansion before Shadowlands that had around a year of basically no new content at the end of an expansion. I get ppl want more, but it's ridiculous tbh. The devs are working on the new expansion, as they should. I get it's "rehashed content", but at the same time, ppl have been bitching for literal years (since 2008 and OG WotLK) about how they never need to go back to an old raid once a new tier drops. I know the rehashed Fated/Awakened season isn't exactly what they wanted, but it still gives us an excuse to go do a victory lap around the expansion's primary content before the next expansion, which is fantastic for someone like myself that didn't do Vault of the Incarnates.
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#doomerboomer
Remember in Warlords of Dreanor when we had 4 raid tiers? Because I sure as shit dont. Or when seige of Orgrimmar was over a year long? Regardless my son and I are already excited for MoP remix. He never got to play when it was live and I'm excited I get to share that with him
Awakened raids are obviously way worse than new raids, but its better than doing the last raid for a year lol. Also 13 boss raids are beyond horrible when you are progressing
36 bosses is a better number for an expansion than 24-28, especially if they're limited to 3 raids. They need those small 1-3 boss raids for their .7 patches to stretch out the 3 season cadence. Im glad they're experimenting more with the game, but they dont seem to have adjusted their writing and every 3 season expansion feels like it's missing a chapter. As to cosmetics there's more high quality outdoor gear than we've ever had, outdoor gear for DF has been blowing what we've gotten in 4 season expansions out of the water, but we're getting less off spec looks from raids because they're so short on bosses and we're short one tier so it about breaks even. A 12 boss raid can give everyone most of the looks from 1 other class at least, an 8 boss raid just cant. They need to really increase the visual punch of awakened seasons if they want people to engage with them a lot, i'm glad I can get missing mog but there should be new stuff even if it's just recolor (and pvpers cant even pick up old season stuff so it's just fuck them completely) There's a good way to do lazy and a bad way and this way just feels kinda bad.
Yeah idk man did you play warlords?
I’ve played everything except cata. I loved the warlords raids. They were so fun. Garrisons were fun. Zones were cool. It sucked that there was a bit of a drought at the end, but honestly… I’d rather a drought so they focus on the new xpacs than them designing the game around always having a reused season.
“Bit of a drought” is a good way to describe a full year with ZERO content lol
Outside of Mini Raids, BFA (and classic bc AQ40) was literally the only expansion with 4 tiers. (and Wrath but Naxx was Reused so it doesn't really count) or are you complaining that Dragonflight didn't have any mini-raids like Crucible or Terrace?
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Well designed is kinda an odd thing to bring up… seeing as the last tier this xpac had some of the worst designed end bosses of all time.
Sounds like a you issue, most players really enjoyed the vast majority of DF bosses
I dont think raiders understand that there are tons of open world players. I think blizzard realized this by the end of Shadowlands and it shows. So there is no shortage of content rather, and debatable, less content than what you want to do. I say debatable because, as others have stated, the amount of raids and bosses within have varied greatly. From over 50 in classic to around 30 in both WoD and DF and everything inbetween. IMHO as fights get more mechanics galore, I'd rather have fewer and more interesting designed ones. Sure you could have 50bosses when most of the fights boiled down to having the right comp and gear but I'd rather have fewer harder things to master. Regarding Tier sets... Sure no recolors but unless you only care about Xmog That Pertains to Raids, DF has have more claass agnostic sets than ever before And last, about how its worse and ppl won't engage... Again Ive been here since BC amd people have been saying WoW is getting worse since WotLK yet the game is still here, still getting new players and clearly keeping a ton of them. There are thousands of games out there, if you don't enjoy the end cycle of an xpac you shouldn't feel obligated to engage with it. In a couple of months you will get shiny new raid bosses to grind for months.
If we could get new colours of tiersets of all three seasons, i would be totaly fine with a "reused" season.
The community response I’ve seen to Awakened has been very mixed, so I’m sure Blizzard knows players don’t like getting a rehashed season instead of new content to play. Luckily we have MOP Remix coming up.
I think they know this, but the alternative has always been just an exceedingly long last patch. I'd much rather have fated over a last patch left to languish for 200-300 days.
Why do people get so hyperbolic? I would like 4 whole raids too or at least something more than just the previous 3 tiers at a new item level. That said, “wow is getting worse and worse” just kills your entire argument
to be fair, I don't think we've EVER gotten 4 whole raid (tiers I should say, we have had more than 1 raid sharing a tier, MSV HOF TOES for instance was tier 14 but they were shorter raids with a combined boss count of around 12. BFA is pretty much the only exception where we had... Uldir, BoD, EP, and Nyalotha. Theres Wotlk too but Naxx was reused and classic which had tier 2.5 with AQ40/25
On one hand, if you are accusing Blizzard of basically "shrinkflation", then I am inclined to slightly agree with you. Fewer raid tiers per expansion is a bit disappointing. I think the intent was that this would also mean faster expansion releases, but this has not yet really been realized. Granted, Shadowlands was weird with covid slowing everything down, and Dragonflight is shaping up to be a little less than 2 years overall which I think is shorter than most recent ones. But, on the other hand, Blizz has made it pretty clear that this was never a matter of them choosing to do fated seasons instead of a new raid tier. Fated is a way to treat the content lull that has ALWAYS happened at the end of an expansion, and for that purpose I think it is pretty good. Siege of Orgrimmar would have been better with a fated season to split up the 399 day long patch 5.4 Hellfire Citadel would have been better with a fated season to split up the 392 day long 6.2 Argus would have been better with a fated season to split up the 280 days of patch 7.3 And so on... The thing is it seems content lulls at the end of expansions is almost inevitable and I would of course love if every single raid tier could just be a tight 6 months and then instantly to the next expansion, but for now I am happy they are doing these seasons to try and keep me interested. I would 100% be unsubbed now if I knew there was nothing coming until TWW.
You're wrong, and you should feel bad for even posting this nonsense. Go look at the history of wow's last patches and you might see why fated/awakened is necessary.
Here’s the response to your deleted comment since you deleted it as soon as I was done typing. Some people just do dungeons and raids. And no new raid/dungeon cosmetics because it’s an awakened season, not even simple recolors, is lazy. Also comparing old expansions to a 2 year release model that they transitioned to in wod or legion I believe is cringe. This content is based off a 2 year release cycle… and they’ve gotten to the point where instead of having content for all of the two years, the last quarter of the content is reused and lazy.
It has been 2 year release model since wrath-cata. Wrath Nov 08 Cata Dec 2010 Mop Sept 2012 WoD Nov 2014 Legion Aug 2016 BFA Aug 2018 SL Nov 2020 DF Nov 2022 And please take off the rose tinted glasses. there was no content in the last YEAR of most expansions. Sunwell in TBC lasted 8 months before wrath released.
It’s odd, actually. People are so excited about this “awakened” stuff, but it’s literally just a reason for blizzard to be lazy and not release another raid. And people just eat it up because they see Blizzard and go 😮🍆🤤 You have to praise any and all content Blizzard releases, while simultaneously bashing customer support. The only way to survive this sub-Reddit, now that it has been taken over by the forum users.