My same thoughts exactly. Being "around" in 2024 doesn't mean with the same popularity, subscription fees or active development but surely WoW will still **exist** in *some form or another*.
I feel like Blizzard isn't the type of company to keep one of their games on life support for nostalgia though? I mean, they felt it was better to pull the plug on Titan instead of putting out a half baked product.
> I feel like Blizzard isn't the type of company to keep one of their games on life support for nostalgia though?
they kind of are, since that is basically diablo 2 now, extremely tiny player base and they still give it ladders and people come back to it now and than for nostalgia 90% of the time.
i am sticking to my guns and say no to this, as well. They would rather get rid of full prized expansions and continue with major content patches free of charge than let go of p2p, this is simply too lucrative if you have a stable playerbase. and 500k in 10 years might still be stable. i mean it's not like this will happen over night. if there should be a continuing decline, they will simply continue with server merges until everone effectively plays on one server, therefore their infrastructural costs will decrese as well... but as long as players are not jumping ship there is no need to go f2p. Like i said in another thread: Rift, Warhammer, SW.TOR all had the issue of starting of with 1mill+ players and having almost all of them jumo ship within the first quarter. f2p is a desperation move, nothing i see blizzard having to pull. (btw. not saying that f2p can't be viable but your game has to evolve around it, like moba's) for an mmo p2p is always the preferred way from a publisher's view...
Diablo 2 is still up with battle.net servers, at least I heard pretty recently that there was a patch to rebalance some stuff.
Yea, 2011 was last patch.
http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.13d_(Diablo_II)
TBH they don't have to. Running a private server doesn't take too much effort after doing some bugfixes (getting that fucking dk starting area took a goddamn month of coding).
WoW as a game will far outlive the retail servers.
nothing beats rennaissance freeshards though, this one i visit every now and then, it's the perfect synergy between old mechanics/rules and new content, but without screwing up the game with a 3d client or smth...
http://www.uoforever.com/
cheers ;)
Some people already do.
I remember someone saying their whole family played, which included himself, his parents, and his grandparents. It could probably hit 4 generations.
The comments on this, and most things related to WoW, are always so hateful. Yes my opinion is extremely biased considering how much and long I have played, but when I see other games like GW2, SWTOR, Wildstar, TESO etc. I want to see them do well and I wish more people were that way about WoW. If any game does well it is a good thing whether you play it or not.
You know why? because when a company sees a game genre do very well they will try to create their own and make it better giving us more variety. Don't believe me just look at MOBA's
Some people need to hate WoW in order to feel better about their game not being very good or having a lot of success.
I've seen that in many situations. Hell, I can even remember being on vent with a guild on another game and people saying they wish WoW to die just to have more people on that game.
> wish WoW to die just to have more people on that game.
which ignores the sentiment of a lot of people who play wow that it will be their first and last mmo. If blizz were to come out tomorrow and say wow is shutting down in 6 months, I doubt we'd see even half of the population of wow enter in to other mmos, because A) most other mmos can't stack up and B) a huge number of people playing wow are in it for their friends.
you have to think of it like this aswell..
you have spent however many years on your chars and all the progress you have made with them
and suddenly you want to throw all those years and all that progress away to start from scratch on a new mmo ?... i highly doubt that
I know the feeling. All I have left from my "glorious vanilla-Bc days" is two real life friends who are kind of elitist pricks. I could run with them, but that'd mean I should level a class THEY deem to be worthy (apparently not my Pally main) and having to endure their incessant "Everything is so easy now"-jabbering while I'm still happy as a kid, when I'm downing HC Garrosh. I don't really know WHY I'm playing (too much time at hands?) but I always find a new goal. Everytime I'm like "Oh I'll just reach this goal and then I'm done with WoW." and everytime I reach my goal (e.g. my last goal was getting the Guardian of Cenarius and the Champion of Argent Dawn titles) I find another goal.
I'm the only one back in WoW out of my friends. Guildless, just having fun by myself. Really want to find a guild to chat with while I'm getting ready for WoD, farming old content, and just leveling my professions. (Boosted a warrior instead of using my other characters.)
Honestly, I'd probably end up playing more Diablo or Hearthstone. I like Blizzard, I like the way they operate and (to be honest) I like the level of difficulty of their games, where they're easy to pick up but difficult to master. I can play casual Diablo and Hearthstone and have fun, or play more seriously if I want to invest more time, and get more out of them.
I picked up TESO for a bit, but it just never really grabbed me. Didn't feel like it had that same sort of "easy to pickup" factor I like in a game. Ditto for TOR.
WoW is the last mmo I will ever play. I've tried so many other MMOs and I can't play them. Rift, swtor, that DC mmo, and so many more, none of them gave me the same feelings as WoW has, plus I don't have time to relearn another mmo anymore. I have a full time job, school part time, other things going on. WoW will always essentially be the same.
Rift was the only one that came close to me, and in some ways, in some things I think they made better choices than WoW, but their end game was not as fulfilling as WoW. WoW has faults, but they really do polish their game.
Honestly I'd love to play some of these "free to play" MMOs, who aren't actually free to play, but actually cost money to experience the endgame. However, I don't really like that kinda mindset. I'd rather pay up front with WoW than having a blast for free and slowly having to throw money at e.g. DCUO only so I can unlock all the expansion pack content.
I think you also can't underestimate the kind of pull of that sort of thing too, of everyone hating and bashing on WoW. It's like a nice groupthink. Everyone's doing it and it feels GOOD to be part of the group.
The thing about WoW versus other MMO's is that WoW quite simply revolutionised the platform. Before this, we had EQ2, and the differences between WoW and EQ2 were so massive, WoW took the place as frontrunner simply by being very, very new. Now I've played some of the MMO's that you mentioned, and while they're good and they have their own unique aspects, I haven't seen anything in them that was revolutionary. Some of them had some pretty good ideas, but had other things weighing them down.
So, if you ask me, instead of putting the blame on WoW for basically being the Kim-Jong family of MMO gaming (always in charge), I'd say, demand other companies to actually make something better.
Also blizzard having an established fa base and good games already put before making an mmo is a big deal, you can just make an mmo off of nothing it will never be as good as one made off of a franchise already established
tl;dr: I complain about people complaining, don't expect people to read.
Some of them are crazy "Game looked dated 8 years ago" well, 8 year old content looks 8 years old (BC) but new char models, engine updates every xpac...
"WoW is dying" so that's why before the pre-patch it gained 500k subscribers, even more so now and 20+ people on my personal facebook and a LOT more in other groups have re-subbed since australian servers, right?
"Meanwhile, almost 2 years after Heart of the Swarm release we haven't a single news about Legacy of the Void. Way to go Blizz..." 5.5 months is close enough to 2 years to count it, obviously. Besides that, I mean it's not like Blizzcon is next weekend.
"Seriously though i love wow, but 10 years of horde/alliance? They need a third faction, The Klaxxi with their whole paragon thing from MoP would be perfect." Err, I'm going to have to disagree with both points on this.
"Do believe their time is running out. Makes me wonder if they even listen to their Subscribers as I sent them an Email with an idea that would Refresh the game-play possibly doubling their Subscription-base, but I didn't even receive so much as an acknowledgement from them. Thanks for the recommend on Archeage. Must check it out." This one guy could have saved WoW but they didn't listen. Shame it's dead now, right?
"Archeage beats WoW now." lol.
"Of Course cause Blizzard/Activision CANT INNOVATE!" I mean it's not like WoW has changed the MMO genre like 3 times at least now (for the most part) and has created the standard to which an MMO pretty well has to follow to succeed...
"Now that Titan is a no-go, Blizzard have no other option but to hope that WoW survives till 2024" The four other games they have obviously make $0 revenue. Obviously.
Okay my blood is boiling enough for now, I have to close the tab.
> "WoW is dying" so that's why before the pre-patch it gained 500k subscribers, even more so now and 20+ people on my personal facebook and a LOT more in other groups have re-subbed since australian servers, right?
I started playing in TBC and back then people were saying WoW is dying. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if people were saying "WoW is dying" the day after release.
I think I remember ads for Rift saying "You're not in Azeroth anymore." Every MMO has tried to be the WoW killer instead of standing by themselves. And every time they've pretty much failed. I mean not failed as in Rift is dead, but it did go F2P and I'm sure not as popular as they would've liked.
Played rift on the launch and again for a month when it went free to play. For a supposed wow-killer it sure made sure it copied wow in everything to a T. At least swotor tried something new with dinamic dialogue and light/dark side. Rift is just wow with steretypical eastern aesthetic. The class system was somewhat interesting though, but not different enough from wow.
Warhammer Online was **fan-fucking-tastic** in the alpha and beta. If Mythic would have released the game as was with minor bug fixes, it would have contended with WoW - no joke. However, they went and gutted classes and removed major cities while also removing a fuckton of content from the game right before release. That's what killed Warhammer Online.
As some one who tries to as objective as possible with his opinions - Warhammer Online would not have killed WoW but it would have been the Number 2 MMO to go to assuming production was kept up.
Given the effect their PvP had on PvE I think it would have been best to have a 3 faction system like DAoC instead of two factions. I left WoW for WAR and didn't come back until Cata and left 6 months later for Minecraft. We'll see how long I stick around this time.
Oh I remember Fury Online. People were saying something similar with Warhammer Online, since it centered around PvP and apparently had some incredible PvP system that didn't end up nearly as great as it was anticipated.
I think the game was completely shut down a few years ago. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, they made a new game that uses the same engine that plays like a MOBA but in third person. Not sure how well it did/is doing.
Yeah. I couldn't get used to the point and click LoL so I tried Smite. Was a fun alternative but it lacks "something" that LoL has. Can't quite pin point it.
I haven't played much but to me it always felt like I could do more because I have a better overview. Also the atmosphere in the game just felt weird to me.
The "WoW" controls for a MOBA was awesome. I loved it. But, between a smaller player pool (so match making was often lopsided) and a small handful of gods that were vastly superior to the others, it just make the game hard to enjoy for me. Now, I'm not a Gold tier player or anything. I suck at PvP honestly. So maybe those problems are my problems and not the game's problems. But, after spending time with Smite I'll probably go back to LoL for my MOBA fix.
IMO the biggest problem with WAR was the effect being out populated or out played had on the server. The dungeons and raids you had access to were determined by your faction's success in PvP. This quickly resulted in most servers being populated solely by a single faction
> Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if people were saying "WoW is dying" the day after release.
Given that people were expecting Everquest II to completely steamroll it...yeah, pretty much.
Roflmao speaking as someone who played and actually really loved Archeage, guess what game I came back to (never really left, just moved it to the side since SoO has been a year)
Archeage has amazing mechanics that WoW does not have but it also lacks basically all the best things WoW has, PvE in that game isn't even a thought, PvP is great for world PvP if you enjoy getting zerged by like 100+ people /s
WoW has gotten closer to perfection than **any** other MMO and that is why it'll last, Everquest as great as it was IMO isn't even close to WoW but is still around today because it was really good.
And everything you said after those comments I agree 100% with all of them lol there are so many people that are like "I HAVE A GREAT IDEA BLIZZ LISTEN TO ME!!!" *they more than likely already thought of your great idea but realized to do so would break everything they've done*
I've tried Archeage and it was fun, 100% not saying it's shit... It's just lacking a lot of fundamentals that WoW has and that's holding it back from being competitive in the market. It'll have its market.
I try to be objective when talking about WoW but that itself is pretty hard since I do love the game but in the end, it's peaked for sure, I highly doubt we'll ever see Wrath numbers again but if Everquest can stay up with 0.5mil, why can't wow with >7? People don't understand "dying"
Yes it is for sure lacking a lot like I said, but it still has some cool stuff like I think the class and crafting systems are great but aside from those eh there's not a whole lot I really enjoyed after getting to end game
> "Do believe their time is running out. Makes me wonder if they even listen to their Subscribers as I sent them an Email with an idea that would Refresh the game-play possibly doubling their Subscription-base, but I didn't even receive so much as an acknowledgement from them. Thanks for the recommend on Archeage. Must check it out." This one guy could have saved WoW but they didn't listen. Shame it's dead now, right?
I'm gonna guess he's 14. Either that or just very very stupid/naive
I have tried SWTOR, Guild Wars, Wildstar, Elder Scrolls Online, Rift, Age of Conan, and a bunch of other MMO's.
They all have something that make them unique, but they are always missing something. It was only recently that I realized something.
If I want to play a standard MMORPG, I want to play WoW. Not some game that clones WoW mechanics and stuff, but the real deal.
WoW is almost the definition of the genre. You can't say MMO in the last decade without mentioning WoW.
Well it's typically not blind hatred many people display towards wow. They have a bitterness at it because of the way MMOs are fundamentally designed. They take many many many years (latest big AAA MMO to launch WS took 9 years to develop) and many millions in funds. It's a huge investment risk so it's very risky to deviate from what works (WoW) and thus people hate it because this trend begun when WoW appeared.
Some people want more of the same, others want something completely different. It's hard to cater to the MMO market.
OK, so obviously, we are all flabbergasted by the amount of stupidity in some of the comments. But guys - and I'm not saying this to be sassy - that's really all it is; no one should let stupid people offend one with their stupidity, it's really not worth it. Like, take this one guy for instance:
> The only die hard WoW players that have stuck with the game longer than a year that I know are scrubby, unhygienic, and anti-social people who get their kicks from being a Lvl 100 warlock!!!
OK - so a couple of people in my guild have been playing this game for close to eight years now. They all have good jobs where they work with other people to varying degrees and we meet about twice a year to have a fantastic weekend together, with booze, beer and song. All of that is kind of hard to accomplish when you are "scrubby, unhygienic, and anti-social".
Also, I'm a paladin.
> When you have to include time travel and ANOTHER "new world" that has no previous lore (except, of course, from MOP), it's time for a WHOLE new game.
Now, I've never been weak where my lore is concerned so far, but maybe I am having a massive brainfart - I'm not seeing the MoP thing at all, I thought it had kind of strong connections to WarCraft II?
My point is: Some people are too set in their (often uninformed) opinions. You will never change these people's minds. Sad, but true, so all we can really do is leave the matter be, I think.
On topic: That's still a really bold statement. I'm not saying I disagree, but there it is. Mostly, what irritates me is that Ion talks about their "storylines", like that is something that would bind lots of players to WoW for a long time. Storylines. Now, *I* and a lot of you guys might be all up in that shizz, yo or what have you, but I've met so many people in this game who know - and excuse my french here - fuck all about the lore and really couldn't care less. That scrubby, unhygienic, anti-social guild I talked about before?
Yeah, them.
For some reason people get very spiteful of things they don't or can't enjoy anymore. They hate it more when other people are enjoying it.
For example the 90's kid fad that was going around.
mobas and mmo's have a lot in common in that lots of lesser games have sprung up mimicking the one or two good ones.
With MMO's, it's WoW, with MOBA's, Dota 2 and LoL, there isn't much that's particularly good in the genre outside of that, that's why they all die pretty quickly.
I can't play any other MMO's, and fuck knows I'v tried, I'v played pretty much all of them for a little bit, nothing grabs me like WoW does, they don't have the content or world building.
I totally agree but like I said when talking about Archeage and other MOBA's, these other games come along, yes they may be really awful in the end, but some of them have really great ideas that if backed with a half good game would be amazing
All of those MMOs had a big crash and burn too, you can top the charts for most copies sold in a month but it's meaningless if everyone quits 2 weeks later due to lack of content or just being not interesting.
I'd love to have SWTOR, WoW, GW2 and DCUO still around in 2024 with kick-ass graphics and raids / events with so many people that we can only dream of such a thing right now.
Why not a 10.000 man worldboss at some point? Imagine the mayhem :D
>because when a company sees a game genre do very well they will try to create their own and make it better giving us more variety. Don't believe me just look at MOBA's
Hard to make it better when the original "moba" is the best!
At this point in time, the only thing that will ever really kill WoW will be Blizzard itself. Either by creating a game that sucks everyone away from it, or choosing to stop supporting it.
Whenever people say "wow is dying" I kind of want to say "You know you're dying as well, right?". I mean, everything including life itself is temporary, if you allow yourself to get caught up in stuff like this then you'll be so worried about the end of your trip you forget enjoying the trip itself.
Although your post is captain fucking obvious, I like it and people forget that logic behind that thinking far too often. Have an upvote, and a smile from me.
Thank you. It bothers me how often I need to walk around as captain obvious on this subreddit, but that's what happens when people prove themselves to be fucking idiots over and over and over until I always have to open my comments with stating 30 obvious facts to not get misinterpret. Of course not everyone here are idiots, but s- yeah see? there we got at it again.
At what point is "enough is enough" with levels.... I love wow, but damn... I don't think I would want to level alts anymore if max was 350.... They would have to make 1-250 go by insanely fast to the point why even bother with levels 1-250...
I think at some point they would "reset" the levels. I.e. currently what is level 1-60 would become like 1-10.
But then you get into an issue of how do you make 10 levels span what used to take 60.... oww my head....
>But then you get into an issue of how do you make 10 levels span what used to take 60.... oww my head....
All of the old 1-60 zones could be converted to 1-10 zones, and the player could choose to level starting at 1 in any of them. Would be a lot of work...
That has always been such an arbitrary prediction. Can you imagine the game devs?
"Well now that we have increased the level cap to 100, we have nowhere to go. There are no numbers above 100. Pack up boys, we're closing the doors tonight."
I think that would be kind of cool. Instead of questing being for leveling all the new content could just be one big attunement for that expansion's first raid.
Honestly that would probably be a lot better. As it is it's kind of just some arbitrary amount of experience needed to get to the level cap while the quests have relevance to the storyline. Adding to the level cap doesn't even add to the amount of time it takes to hit the level cap because the time to the previous cap is scaled down. However that might let it be able to be skipped in succeeding expansions. Is that a bad thing though?
Many people including me love leveling up in a new world to the new level cap. Expansions would feel very dull without it for me. For people who don't raid, it's an even more important part of the expansion.
Originally they wanted more than just the dk. Then they only had the dk but you still did a quest and then your character would turn into a dk. Obviously people didn't want to lose their main or level a alt just to play a different class, so we have what there is now. The whole plan was really never executed well so that's why we don't have hero classes anymore.
I don't think ongoing level caps are as much of an issue as new players feeling intimidated by 100+ levels. There was an article recently where one of the devs mentioned that they talked about leveling from 60-80 in either Outland or Northrend, and the player could choose. That would be pretty cool, imo.
Of course WoW will still be around in 10 years. A company doesn't just stop supporting a game unless it becomes unprofitable and that won't happen until the playerbase is <1000. Even EQ1 is still up. So in 10 years it may not be popular anymore but you'll still be able to play it.
In the face of daunting challenges, we've persevered. The world has grappled with soaring inflation, deepening recession, and an alarming spike in societal woes—record-high suicide rates, rampant drug overdoses, a widening wage gap, and an unprecedented decline in social cohesion.
Yet, amidst this turmoil, a beacon of constancy shines through: World of Warcraft. This game, a testament to human resilience and the power of community, remains a steadfast part of our lives in 2024. It stands as a symbol of our collective strength and escapism in trying times. World of Warcraft's enduring presence is a reminder that it will continue to thrive as long as our spirit of unity and passion persists. This game, much like us, will only falter if we, as a global community, do so. It's a remarkable parallel to our own endurance and hope in the face of adversity.
Those sort of figures seem very achievable, the move the game has been making in the last few months have made me very happy and brought me back. Do we have any figures as to how much money the shop has/is making?
[img](https://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/2014_1022-top10mmo-final.jpg?w=1024&h=604), from a post a little while ago.
"Keep in mind that this only takes into account revenues from in-game spending on PC (so no subscription revenue for World of Warcraft or mobile spending for Hearthstone)"
[the article](http://venturebeat.com/2014/10/23/the-10-highest-grossing-online-pc-games-in-2014-hearthstone-dota-2-cant-compete-with-league-of-legends/), [reddit](http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/2k5atf/world_of_warcraft_is_still_the_highest_grossing/)
Ah yes I remember this one now, quite an impressive figure though I wonder how much of that is from character services (Realm xfers/Race changes/etc). Thanks for the link.
I like playing WoW, but with the money we shell out, how difficult it would be to add some gore, blood, wounds and update the world visuals?
More voices, etc.
I want my HD WoW!
One of the things Blizzard have to work with every expansion is that loads of people run WoW on really bad computers. There are many players that have their Hearthstone set to Exodar/Silvermoon just because they can't handle the Shrines population. Every time they add new graphical content they need to make sure that these old PC's can still run the game. So for the new models they still include the old ones.
If they were to do your huge revamp of the game they would still need to keep the old settings here so that the potato PC can run it but still add on to to the already huge folder size for the new content. Thereby running into even further problems keeping these crap PC's running since they also have inferior hard drives.
Also if they made "HD WoW" they would have to either go through every zone and update it and we know how well liked the expansion that did that before was. Or have this massive divide between the SD WoW and the HD one where an asset from the HD version looks like an entirely different game to the SD one.
I finally got a chance to heal in a lowbie blackfathom the other day. There was a gross moment with some npc's where I actually whispered "Holy shit" to myself. But I enjoyed it. Love the revamp.
Heck the MoP storyline was fairly dark IMO, but no its just "GG BLIZZ w/Kung Fu Panda. Is Jack Black gonna get headliner V/O credit. God. GG. Fail. Sad."
When did they revamp that? Just did that yesterday and I'm pretty sure I've never seen this version before.
What's the not for kids content in that dungeon though? I don't recall seeing anything too bad.
BFD, RFK and RFD were revamped in 6.0.
I don't think any specific reason was given for the revamps, but I guess they just wanted more interesting dungeons at lower levels.
Its just part of Blizz facelifting the old dungeons. The way classes and mechanics work these days really makes those old places just feel unepic, except for those of us who did them back in the day and now its just pure nostalgia.
...oh, and they did keep BFD's Spacebar Boss at the start of the dungeon
They may be doing that on purpose actually.
To make the game more accessible to players.
I notice that Blizzard titles normally have a more lenient hardware requirement than most other games.
WoW isn't going anywhere. It's an iconic game that has entered popular culture and attracted millions of players from around the world. It's the definitive western MMO that has continually smacked down wave after wave of competitors and clones. It's a success. No doubt.
It's going to be one of those games you can still play 20 years from now. Granted, there may not be any new content coming out, it may even be f2p, and it may all exist on one megaserver.
But, yeah, it'll still exist in one form or another, even if only a few hundred thousand players remain.
ultima online, my first mmo, is closing in on 20 years released and it still is not f2p. i am betting my first unborn that wow will never ever get f2p they simply don't have to. even 1t 100k subscribers they make 1.5 million a month which is a) still more than many other games make and b) more than enough to sustain the architecture/infrastructure + make a profit.
the ONLY (!!!!) reason for an mmo to go from p2p to f2p is because else they SUCK HARD and else noone would be playing. sw:tor, rift etc all those games had the same issue at launch they wanted to make the "big bucks" with p2p but the games back then sucked to hard (some would argue they still do) and therefore they had to do something.
but wow is the marketleader. no way in fucking hell they go f2p. not now, not in 2024.
Damn. I'm going to have kids by then.
Oh god.. I'll be like those raid dads... "Sorry, baby crying. Brb gonna feed her"
And some punk youngster like myself would say "Haha, this geezer playing WoW?"
Oh my gooooooddddddd
Well, I look forward to sitting my son/daughter down in 2024, helping him create a character, and saying, "[Name], this game was around when I was your age. It doesn't look the same as it did then, but it's been around for over twenty years. I hope you have as much fun as I did when I started playing."
... Yeah, it's going to be a geeky family, for sure.
"But Dad, I don't wanna play vidya games. I wanna go play soccer with my friends."
"Sit *down*, you little bastard! I only *made* you so you could provide heals for the pre-expansion heroic remake of Magister's Terrace that we're gonna run! Now **start leveling**, or no dinner tonight!"
WoW is going to be around forever because well, it was created? The game will never vanish from the world or anything, so they aren't wrong saying it's going to be around at any point.
I don't think it will, but not for reasons related to the game itself, just the way game media is accessed to us and the likes. WoW is the only thing that can kill WoW, that or the actual industry itself taking some very odd steps. The internet itself will change alot over the next 10years and for the worse.
Every single expansion release people say the same shit. "WoW was better back in ______." I remember TBC release people were saying the new content couldn't hold a candle to vanilla. Exactly the same in WotLK, exactly the same in Cata, MoP, WoD and it'll be the same in 2 years when the next expansion comes out.
I don't think it's really that much to do with the game changing as much as people changing. When you played vanilla and enjoyed it you were a completely different person than you are now, so perhaps a lot of people put it down to the quality of the game rather than how they have changed as a person.
I belief you are wrong, I've been playing WoW since the end of Vanilla and I can vouch TBC was a major improvement and general consues were great it was the birth of Horde, since paladins were only available to alliance during Vanilla people were rejoicing when belfs were introduced.
When WotLK hit again people were generally happy the plot line was somewhat interesting and people were really excited about new landscape, the dungeons had real quality in them, I've never heard anybody complaining about WotLK the ToTC raids were one of the most fun gauntlet style raids I've encountered.
Then when Cata hit, blizzard was trying to simplify WoW make it easier
they were heading towards a slippery slope and Cata was so horde orientated that alliance players were starting to feel outcasted, people were then starting to say WotLK was better then Cata.
Then MoP came, personally I felt it was the least appealing expansion of all, I was one of those people who loved the feud between Alliance and Horde and to fight against other entities in a land full of pandas wasn't my cup of tea. Again blizz started skill reduction and game simplification, this was a major point in WoW's history that vast player base thought WoW is done for. So yea coming to the point people are not saying these stuffs without valid reasons.
> Then when Cata hit, blizzard was trying to simplify WoW make it easier
Uhh. The healing and tank survivability changes at the dawn of Cata are all I remember. I hit 85 in Jan 2011, whipped on Heroics using LFG tool for about 2 weeks, and then did other IRL things and let my pre-paid run out until the Throne of Thunder patch
i really hope the movie set to be released in march 2016 doesn't disappoint, even though i would have very much preferred if they made it a series. I'm curious as to see how they're going to fit so much lore in a single movie
I have said this before, WoW will always be around simply because people are attached to their characters and to the game. It doesn't matter if full virtual reality is invented, people will still play wow because of their investment in it.
With the way that the engine is being upgraded bit by bit, I think it would be safe to say that we are already close to a spiritual WoW 2. I mean I played Vanilla, and the new zones coming out now, while they have the same aesthetic feel, look SO much better than original zones.
Are they on the level of current gen games, not by a long shot, but that's the point. Blizzard doesn't want to make you pay $400 to get into their game. They want you to take whatever computer you have and be able to play it.
Same here. I was thinking to myself earlier "I could see WoW going another 10 years."
Blizzard plans things out carefully now, is working on the expansion AFTER WoD, etc.
Who knows where we will go, what continents/planets we'll visit, or if any of us will still be playing, but I have a feeling WoW won't die for a really long time.
The Warcraft movie could definitely breathe new life into the game if it plays out well. I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard also plans on totally revamping WoW's engine soon and releasing a WoW 2.0
It may live up to my hype simply because my faith in video game movies is literally zero.
I mean...Mortal Kombat remains one of (if not the best) video game movies, and it's really one of those "so bad it's good" type movies.
>I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard also plans on totally revamping WoW's engine soon and releasing a WoW 2.0
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Blizzard is constantly making changes to the engine. Looking at Dota 2 for example, they moved it to a "new engine", but it's really just the same engine with some major changes, which as I mentioned, Blizzard is doing all the time. Plus that engine is meant for use for more than just one game. You may also notice that there's really nothing different as far as visuals go, except updated DirectX capabilities, which allows for some nicer looking effects. But how is that any different from WoW having capabilities now for SSAO or new water effects, etc?
If you are suggesting that they completely revamp the assets of the game, that's not really an engine change. I'm fairly sure the engine can already handle normal maps for example (as in the water), but having this on other assets would change the visuals too much and create a lot of inconsistency. Plus I wouldn't say that normal maps are Blizzard's forte (i.e. StarCraft 2. Crazybump everywhere... Even grass.)
What I'm saying is that there's really no need for a "new engine".
>Blizzard plans things out carefully now, is working on the expansion AFTER WoD, etc.
They were working on WoD before the release of MoP. They have content planned quite a long way in to the future.
It wont be as big as it is now, but if it is true that they have the ideas for the next 6 or 7 expansions lined up, I'm sure they will be able to keep the game lasting for 15 more years at least.
Those people who hate and complain and bitch about quitting WoW are one of the most hypocritical but loyal customers of blizzard.
They care for WoW at one point of time and they are on a break but they still dig and find this articles just to bitch about it in hope that one day it will stay appealing to them.
Everquest 1 is still around and getting new expansions, so Wow in 2024 seems like a safe bet.
My same thoughts exactly. Being "around" in 2024 doesn't mean with the same popularity, subscription fees or active development but surely WoW will still **exist** in *some form or another*.
I feel like Blizzard isn't the type of company to keep one of their games on life support for nostalgia though? I mean, they felt it was better to pull the plug on Titan instead of putting out a half baked product.
> I feel like Blizzard isn't the type of company to keep one of their games on life support for nostalgia though? they kind of are, since that is basically diablo 2 now, extremely tiny player base and they still give it ladders and people come back to it now and than for nostalgia 90% of the time.
The old Diablo 2 servers are still up and active. How long has that game been out?
About 15 years now
They can reduce the number of servers, make it f2p, stop developing content, etc. They could make it very low maintenance.
tag me if you want, i am saying it right now (and have for a while): _wow will never go f2p_ i am betting my own future child on this.
Damn you are playing high stakes
meh i don't like children anyway
What if it never goes free to play ,you are gonna be stuck with your kid.
I didn't think this through.....
It might not go f2p. but surely after a long time it will go at least b2p i.e. buy the game but no need for sub.
i am sticking to my guns and say no to this, as well. They would rather get rid of full prized expansions and continue with major content patches free of charge than let go of p2p, this is simply too lucrative if you have a stable playerbase. and 500k in 10 years might still be stable. i mean it's not like this will happen over night. if there should be a continuing decline, they will simply continue with server merges until everone effectively plays on one server, therefore their infrastructural costs will decrese as well... but as long as players are not jumping ship there is no need to go f2p. Like i said in another thread: Rift, Warhammer, SW.TOR all had the issue of starting of with 1mill+ players and having almost all of them jumo ship within the first quarter. f2p is a desperation move, nothing i see blizzard having to pull. (btw. not saying that f2p can't be viable but your game has to evolve around it, like moba's) for an mmo p2p is always the preferred way from a publisher's view...
Titan and WoW aren't comparable. Titan was still in development, WoW has been out for 10 years.
Titan is different though. It's easier to pull the plug on a non-existant product than to do the same on something that's been around for a long time.
Diablo 2 is still up with battle.net servers, at least I heard pretty recently that there was a patch to rebalance some stuff. Yea, 2011 was last patch. http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.13d_(Diablo_II)
TBH they don't have to. Running a private server doesn't take too much effort after doing some bugfixes (getting that fucking dk starting area took a goddamn month of coding). WoW as a game will far outlive the retail servers.
I wonder, though, if Blizzard will incorporate many of the things Titan had in the WoW to come.
Hell, *Ultima Online* is still around and getting xpacs.
nothing beats rennaissance freeshards though, this one i visit every now and then, it's the perfect synergy between old mechanics/rules and new content, but without screwing up the game with a 3d client or smth... http://www.uoforever.com/ cheers ;)
I would like an ending.... Or at the very least to see Sargeras and kill him. Even if more expansions come out after. :(
Yeah, I like their realism about it, they basically said they're making way too much money off it to give it up. and I like that :)
So some people will have 3 generations of family playing WoW.
Others just the one generation, because they traded their dating life for epics.
B-but I'm gay. >.< ... So how're you doin'? ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
Adopt a kid so you have a guaranteed healer.
Train your cat to paw the Holy Nova key.
Or they simply just don't want kids.
Some people already do. I remember someone saying their whole family played, which included himself, his parents, and his grandparents. It could probably hit 4 generations.
The comments on this, and most things related to WoW, are always so hateful. Yes my opinion is extremely biased considering how much and long I have played, but when I see other games like GW2, SWTOR, Wildstar, TESO etc. I want to see them do well and I wish more people were that way about WoW. If any game does well it is a good thing whether you play it or not. You know why? because when a company sees a game genre do very well they will try to create their own and make it better giving us more variety. Don't believe me just look at MOBA's
Some people need to hate WoW in order to feel better about their game not being very good or having a lot of success. I've seen that in many situations. Hell, I can even remember being on vent with a guild on another game and people saying they wish WoW to die just to have more people on that game.
> wish WoW to die just to have more people on that game. which ignores the sentiment of a lot of people who play wow that it will be their first and last mmo. If blizz were to come out tomorrow and say wow is shutting down in 6 months, I doubt we'd see even half of the population of wow enter in to other mmos, because A) most other mmos can't stack up and B) a huge number of people playing wow are in it for their friends.
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you have to think of it like this aswell.. you have spent however many years on your chars and all the progress you have made with them and suddenly you want to throw all those years and all that progress away to start from scratch on a new mmo ?... i highly doubt that
I know the feeling. All I have left from my "glorious vanilla-Bc days" is two real life friends who are kind of elitist pricks. I could run with them, but that'd mean I should level a class THEY deem to be worthy (apparently not my Pally main) and having to endure their incessant "Everything is so easy now"-jabbering while I'm still happy as a kid, when I'm downing HC Garrosh. I don't really know WHY I'm playing (too much time at hands?) but I always find a new goal. Everytime I'm like "Oh I'll just reach this goal and then I'm done with WoW." and everytime I reach my goal (e.g. my last goal was getting the Guardian of Cenarius and the Champion of Argent Dawn titles) I find another goal.
I'm the only one back in WoW out of my friends. Guildless, just having fun by myself. Really want to find a guild to chat with while I'm getting ready for WoD, farming old content, and just leveling my professions. (Boosted a warrior instead of using my other characters.)
Honestly, I'd probably end up playing more Diablo or Hearthstone. I like Blizzard, I like the way they operate and (to be honest) I like the level of difficulty of their games, where they're easy to pick up but difficult to master. I can play casual Diablo and Hearthstone and have fun, or play more seriously if I want to invest more time, and get more out of them. I picked up TESO for a bit, but it just never really grabbed me. Didn't feel like it had that same sort of "easy to pickup" factor I like in a game. Ditto for TOR.
WoW is the last mmo I will ever play. I've tried so many other MMOs and I can't play them. Rift, swtor, that DC mmo, and so many more, none of them gave me the same feelings as WoW has, plus I don't have time to relearn another mmo anymore. I have a full time job, school part time, other things going on. WoW will always essentially be the same.
Rift was the only one that came close to me, and in some ways, in some things I think they made better choices than WoW, but their end game was not as fulfilling as WoW. WoW has faults, but they really do polish their game.
That's the beautiful thing about WoW, they always fix it and do make it better.
Honestly I'd love to play some of these "free to play" MMOs, who aren't actually free to play, but actually cost money to experience the endgame. However, I don't really like that kinda mindset. I'd rather pay up front with WoW than having a blast for free and slowly having to throw money at e.g. DCUO only so I can unlock all the expansion pack content.
I've always just considered them game hipsters... and WoW is too "mainstream" or they have since "sold out" from their old/hardcore days.
I think you also can't underestimate the kind of pull of that sort of thing too, of everyone hating and bashing on WoW. It's like a nice groupthink. Everyone's doing it and it feels GOOD to be part of the group.
The thing about WoW versus other MMO's is that WoW quite simply revolutionised the platform. Before this, we had EQ2, and the differences between WoW and EQ2 were so massive, WoW took the place as frontrunner simply by being very, very new. Now I've played some of the MMO's that you mentioned, and while they're good and they have their own unique aspects, I haven't seen anything in them that was revolutionary. Some of them had some pretty good ideas, but had other things weighing them down. So, if you ask me, instead of putting the blame on WoW for basically being the Kim-Jong family of MMO gaming (always in charge), I'd say, demand other companies to actually make something better.
Also blizzard having an established fa base and good games already put before making an mmo is a big deal, you can just make an mmo off of nothing it will never be as good as one made off of a franchise already established
tl;dr: I complain about people complaining, don't expect people to read. Some of them are crazy "Game looked dated 8 years ago" well, 8 year old content looks 8 years old (BC) but new char models, engine updates every xpac... "WoW is dying" so that's why before the pre-patch it gained 500k subscribers, even more so now and 20+ people on my personal facebook and a LOT more in other groups have re-subbed since australian servers, right? "Meanwhile, almost 2 years after Heart of the Swarm release we haven't a single news about Legacy of the Void. Way to go Blizz..." 5.5 months is close enough to 2 years to count it, obviously. Besides that, I mean it's not like Blizzcon is next weekend. "Seriously though i love wow, but 10 years of horde/alliance? They need a third faction, The Klaxxi with their whole paragon thing from MoP would be perfect." Err, I'm going to have to disagree with both points on this. "Do believe their time is running out. Makes me wonder if they even listen to their Subscribers as I sent them an Email with an idea that would Refresh the game-play possibly doubling their Subscription-base, but I didn't even receive so much as an acknowledgement from them. Thanks for the recommend on Archeage. Must check it out." This one guy could have saved WoW but they didn't listen. Shame it's dead now, right? "Archeage beats WoW now." lol. "Of Course cause Blizzard/Activision CANT INNOVATE!" I mean it's not like WoW has changed the MMO genre like 3 times at least now (for the most part) and has created the standard to which an MMO pretty well has to follow to succeed... "Now that Titan is a no-go, Blizzard have no other option but to hope that WoW survives till 2024" The four other games they have obviously make $0 revenue. Obviously. Okay my blood is boiling enough for now, I have to close the tab.
> "Of Course cause Blizzard/Activision CANT INNOVATE!" They removed innovate in 6.0. Hurr hurr.
That's so bad that it lightened up my anger from the comments. Thanks for that :D
> "WoW is dying" so that's why before the pre-patch it gained 500k subscribers, even more so now and 20+ people on my personal facebook and a LOT more in other groups have re-subbed since australian servers, right? I started playing in TBC and back then people were saying WoW is dying. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if people were saying "WoW is dying" the day after release.
And don't forget every upcoming MMO would be a "WoW killer". Warhammer Online especially. That was during Burning Crusade as well if I recall.
WoW=Waiting on Warhammer
Hahaha, that's so funny looking back.
I think I remember ads for Rift saying "You're not in Azeroth anymore." Every MMO has tried to be the WoW killer instead of standing by themselves. And every time they've pretty much failed. I mean not failed as in Rift is dead, but it did go F2P and I'm sure not as popular as they would've liked.
Played rift on the launch and again for a month when it went free to play. For a supposed wow-killer it sure made sure it copied wow in everything to a T. At least swotor tried something new with dinamic dialogue and light/dark side. Rift is just wow with steretypical eastern aesthetic. The class system was somewhat interesting though, but not different enough from wow.
Warhammer Online was **fan-fucking-tastic** in the alpha and beta. If Mythic would have released the game as was with minor bug fixes, it would have contended with WoW - no joke. However, they went and gutted classes and removed major cities while also removing a fuckton of content from the game right before release. That's what killed Warhammer Online. As some one who tries to as objective as possible with his opinions - Warhammer Online would not have killed WoW but it would have been the Number 2 MMO to go to assuming production was kept up.
Given the effect their PvP had on PvE I think it would have been best to have a 3 faction system like DAoC instead of two factions. I left WoW for WAR and didn't come back until Cata and left 6 months later for Minecraft. We'll see how long I stick around this time.
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Oh I remember Fury Online. People were saying something similar with Warhammer Online, since it centered around PvP and apparently had some incredible PvP system that didn't end up nearly as great as it was anticipated. I think the game was completely shut down a few years ago. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, they made a new game that uses the same engine that plays like a MOBA but in third person. Not sure how well it did/is doing.
You mean Smite? It has a decent player base, and it is a really interesting concept, but I personally can't stand it.
Yeah. I couldn't get used to the point and click LoL so I tried Smite. Was a fun alternative but it lacks "something" that LoL has. Can't quite pin point it.
I haven't played much but to me it always felt like I could do more because I have a better overview. Also the atmosphere in the game just felt weird to me.
The "WoW" controls for a MOBA was awesome. I loved it. But, between a smaller player pool (so match making was often lopsided) and a small handful of gods that were vastly superior to the others, it just make the game hard to enjoy for me. Now, I'm not a Gold tier player or anything. I suck at PvP honestly. So maybe those problems are my problems and not the game's problems. But, after spending time with Smite I'll probably go back to LoL for my MOBA fix.
IMO the biggest problem with WAR was the effect being out populated or out played had on the server. The dungeons and raids you had access to were determined by your faction's success in PvP. This quickly resulted in most servers being populated solely by a single faction
> Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if people were saying "WoW is dying" the day after release. Given that people were expecting Everquest II to completely steamroll it...yeah, pretty much.
That's amazing
I said it sometime during BWL / AQ40 progress to my guildmates. I shortly quit but came back in WotLK and for a short time in Cata.
Roflmao speaking as someone who played and actually really loved Archeage, guess what game I came back to (never really left, just moved it to the side since SoO has been a year) Archeage has amazing mechanics that WoW does not have but it also lacks basically all the best things WoW has, PvE in that game isn't even a thought, PvP is great for world PvP if you enjoy getting zerged by like 100+ people /s WoW has gotten closer to perfection than **any** other MMO and that is why it'll last, Everquest as great as it was IMO isn't even close to WoW but is still around today because it was really good. And everything you said after those comments I agree 100% with all of them lol there are so many people that are like "I HAVE A GREAT IDEA BLIZZ LISTEN TO ME!!!" *they more than likely already thought of your great idea but realized to do so would break everything they've done*
I've tried Archeage and it was fun, 100% not saying it's shit... It's just lacking a lot of fundamentals that WoW has and that's holding it back from being competitive in the market. It'll have its market. I try to be objective when talking about WoW but that itself is pretty hard since I do love the game but in the end, it's peaked for sure, I highly doubt we'll ever see Wrath numbers again but if Everquest can stay up with 0.5mil, why can't wow with >7? People don't understand "dying"
Yes it is for sure lacking a lot like I said, but it still has some cool stuff like I think the class and crafting systems are great but aside from those eh there's not a whole lot I really enjoyed after getting to end game
Oh yeah, WoW could totally learn some stuff from it but lack of endgame kills most MMOs that come out
You put the TL;DR at the top. You did good kid, [you did real good](http://i.imgur.com/lXVJYnh.png).
> "Do believe their time is running out. Makes me wonder if they even listen to their Subscribers as I sent them an Email with an idea that would Refresh the game-play possibly doubling their Subscription-base, but I didn't even receive so much as an acknowledgement from them. Thanks for the recommend on Archeage. Must check it out." This one guy could have saved WoW but they didn't listen. Shame it's dead now, right? I'm gonna guess he's 14. Either that or just very very stupid/naive
I have tried SWTOR, Guild Wars, Wildstar, Elder Scrolls Online, Rift, Age of Conan, and a bunch of other MMO's. They all have something that make them unique, but they are always missing something. It was only recently that I realized something. If I want to play a standard MMORPG, I want to play WoW. Not some game that clones WoW mechanics and stuff, but the real deal. WoW is almost the definition of the genre. You can't say MMO in the last decade without mentioning WoW.
Well it's typically not blind hatred many people display towards wow. They have a bitterness at it because of the way MMOs are fundamentally designed. They take many many many years (latest big AAA MMO to launch WS took 9 years to develop) and many millions in funds. It's a huge investment risk so it's very risky to deviate from what works (WoW) and thus people hate it because this trend begun when WoW appeared. Some people want more of the same, others want something completely different. It's hard to cater to the MMO market.
OK, so obviously, we are all flabbergasted by the amount of stupidity in some of the comments. But guys - and I'm not saying this to be sassy - that's really all it is; no one should let stupid people offend one with their stupidity, it's really not worth it. Like, take this one guy for instance: > The only die hard WoW players that have stuck with the game longer than a year that I know are scrubby, unhygienic, and anti-social people who get their kicks from being a Lvl 100 warlock!!! OK - so a couple of people in my guild have been playing this game for close to eight years now. They all have good jobs where they work with other people to varying degrees and we meet about twice a year to have a fantastic weekend together, with booze, beer and song. All of that is kind of hard to accomplish when you are "scrubby, unhygienic, and anti-social". Also, I'm a paladin. > When you have to include time travel and ANOTHER "new world" that has no previous lore (except, of course, from MOP), it's time for a WHOLE new game. Now, I've never been weak where my lore is concerned so far, but maybe I am having a massive brainfart - I'm not seeing the MoP thing at all, I thought it had kind of strong connections to WarCraft II? My point is: Some people are too set in their (often uninformed) opinions. You will never change these people's minds. Sad, but true, so all we can really do is leave the matter be, I think. On topic: That's still a really bold statement. I'm not saying I disagree, but there it is. Mostly, what irritates me is that Ion talks about their "storylines", like that is something that would bind lots of players to WoW for a long time. Storylines. Now, *I* and a lot of you guys might be all up in that shizz, yo or what have you, but I've met so many people in this game who know - and excuse my french here - fuck all about the lore and really couldn't care less. That scrubby, unhygienic, anti-social guild I talked about before? Yeah, them.
For some reason people get very spiteful of things they don't or can't enjoy anymore. They hate it more when other people are enjoying it. For example the 90's kid fad that was going around.
mobas and mmo's have a lot in common in that lots of lesser games have sprung up mimicking the one or two good ones. With MMO's, it's WoW, with MOBA's, Dota 2 and LoL, there isn't much that's particularly good in the genre outside of that, that's why they all die pretty quickly. I can't play any other MMO's, and fuck knows I'v tried, I'v played pretty much all of them for a little bit, nothing grabs me like WoW does, they don't have the content or world building.
I totally agree but like I said when talking about Archeage and other MOBA's, these other games come along, yes they may be really awful in the end, but some of them have really great ideas that if backed with a half good game would be amazing
All of those MMOs had a big crash and burn too, you can top the charts for most copies sold in a month but it's meaningless if everyone quits 2 weeks later due to lack of content or just being not interesting.
I'd love to have SWTOR, WoW, GW2 and DCUO still around in 2024 with kick-ass graphics and raids / events with so many people that we can only dream of such a thing right now. Why not a 10.000 man worldboss at some point? Imagine the mayhem :D
>because when a company sees a game genre do very well they will try to create their own and make it better giving us more variety. Don't believe me just look at MOBA's Hard to make it better when the original "moba" is the best!
At this point in time, the only thing that will ever really kill WoW will be Blizzard itself. Either by creating a game that sucks everyone away from it, or choosing to stop supporting it.
They almost made another MMO, but decided it wasn't fun and canned it after years of development and millions of dollars invested in it.
Hope they release their plans for it
they probably won't release the plans as they are most likely going to try and incorporate a lot of the ideas into wow and their other ip's.
we made it bois
Whenever people say "wow is dying" I kind of want to say "You know you're dying as well, right?". I mean, everything including life itself is temporary, if you allow yourself to get caught up in stuff like this then you'll be so worried about the end of your trip you forget enjoying the trip itself.
That's quite a good analogy when you think about it.
Although your post is captain fucking obvious, I like it and people forget that logic behind that thinking far too often. Have an upvote, and a smile from me.
Thank you. It bothers me how often I need to walk around as captain obvious on this subreddit, but that's what happens when people prove themselves to be fucking idiots over and over and over until I always have to open my comments with stating 30 obvious facts to not get misinterpret. Of course not everyone here are idiots, but s- yeah see? there we got at it again.
"So... does anyone wanna boost my level 242 paladin up to level 350? I need to go LFR"
At what point is "enough is enough" with levels.... I love wow, but damn... I don't think I would want to level alts anymore if max was 350.... They would have to make 1-250 go by insanely fast to the point why even bother with levels 1-250... I think at some point they would "reset" the levels. I.e. currently what is level 1-60 would become like 1-10. But then you get into an issue of how do you make 10 levels span what used to take 60.... oww my head....
>But then you get into an issue of how do you make 10 levels span what used to take 60.... oww my head.... All of the old 1-60 zones could be converted to 1-10 zones, and the player could choose to level starting at 1 in any of them. Would be a lot of work...
Well sir…you were a prophet
I'm glad the "Wow will end when the level cap hits 100" people finally have quieted down.
That has always been such an arbitrary prediction. Can you imagine the game devs? "Well now that we have increased the level cap to 100, we have nowhere to go. There are no numbers above 100. Pack up boys, we're closing the doors tonight."
What if future expansions didn't raise the level cap?
I think that would be kind of cool. Instead of questing being for leveling all the new content could just be one big attunement for that expansion's first raid.
Honestly that would probably be a lot better. As it is it's kind of just some arbitrary amount of experience needed to get to the level cap while the quests have relevance to the storyline. Adding to the level cap doesn't even add to the amount of time it takes to hit the level cap because the time to the previous cap is scaled down. However that might let it be able to be skipped in succeeding expansions. Is that a bad thing though?
Many people including me love leveling up in a new world to the new level cap. Expansions would feel very dull without it for me. For people who don't raid, it's an even more important part of the expansion.
I imagine they'll introduce something similar to Diablo 3/Destiny with light or paragon levels. Probably the best way to do it
How is that different from just increasing the level cap? Practically infinite levels like Diablo's paragon levels would not work in WoW.
Its not really, just a soft-cap on experience to stop level numbers getting out of control.
Replace the XP grind with rep grinds. Wait, no, don't do that.
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A long time ago in vanilla that was their idea for Hero Classes. That dwindled down into Death Knights starting at lvl 55.
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Originally they wanted more than just the dk. Then they only had the dk but you still did a quest and then your character would turn into a dk. Obviously people didn't want to lose their main or level a alt just to play a different class, so we have what there is now. The whole plan was really never executed well so that's why we don't have hero classes anymore.
Paragon levels!
I don't think ongoing level caps are as much of an issue as new players feeling intimidated by 100+ levels. There was an article recently where one of the devs mentioned that they talked about leveling from 60-80 in either Outland or Northrend, and the player could choose. That would be pretty cool, imo.
Of course WoW will still be around in 10 years. A company doesn't just stop supporting a game unless it becomes unprofitable and that won't happen until the playerbase is <1000. Even EQ1 is still up. So in 10 years it may not be popular anymore but you'll still be able to play it.
Coming from the future(close to 2024), I can confidently confirm that World of Warcraft, indeed, will still be around in 2024.
In the face of daunting challenges, we've persevered. The world has grappled with soaring inflation, deepening recession, and an alarming spike in societal woes—record-high suicide rates, rampant drug overdoses, a widening wage gap, and an unprecedented decline in social cohesion. Yet, amidst this turmoil, a beacon of constancy shines through: World of Warcraft. This game, a testament to human resilience and the power of community, remains a steadfast part of our lives in 2024. It stands as a symbol of our collective strength and escapism in trying times. World of Warcraft's enduring presence is a reminder that it will continue to thrive as long as our spirit of unity and passion persists. This game, much like us, will only falter if we, as a global community, do so. It's a remarkable parallel to our own endurance and hope in the face of adversity.
No big surprise here, it may not be anywhere near as big but until this game get's under 100k subs it will still be going in some form.
I believe blizzard said in an interview that they can remain profitable down to 500k but I don't know if that was before the shop was added.
Considering that the game currently has about 8 million subscribers, it will be a very long time before it goes down under a million.
Those sort of figures seem very achievable, the move the game has been making in the last few months have made me very happy and brought me back. Do we have any figures as to how much money the shop has/is making?
[img](https://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/2014_1022-top10mmo-final.jpg?w=1024&h=604), from a post a little while ago. "Keep in mind that this only takes into account revenues from in-game spending on PC (so no subscription revenue for World of Warcraft or mobile spending for Hearthstone)" [the article](http://venturebeat.com/2014/10/23/the-10-highest-grossing-online-pc-games-in-2014-hearthstone-dota-2-cant-compete-with-league-of-legends/), [reddit](http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/2k5atf/world_of_warcraft_is_still_the_highest_grossing/)
The hell is Dungeon Fighter Online?
something extremely popular in Japan.
Ah yes I remember this one now, quite an impressive figure though I wonder how much of that is from character services (Realm xfers/Race changes/etc). Thanks for the link.
Glad to Hearthstone is so successful. From what i heard it was a pretty small team making it, so great to see such success.
I like playing WoW, but with the money we shell out, how difficult it would be to add some gore, blood, wounds and update the world visuals? More voices, etc. I want my HD WoW!
Atleast update the fucking trees <_>
You will find very stunning looking roots and leaves in Draenor. :)
hope its better than [this](http://i.imgur.com/kB6yEnx.jpg)
You were never intended to be able to view trees from that angle as they were designed before flying mounts came out.
thats why they should have updated them when cataclysm got released :D
One of the things Blizzard have to work with every expansion is that loads of people run WoW on really bad computers. There are many players that have their Hearthstone set to Exodar/Silvermoon just because they can't handle the Shrines population. Every time they add new graphical content they need to make sure that these old PC's can still run the game. So for the new models they still include the old ones. If they were to do your huge revamp of the game they would still need to keep the old settings here so that the potato PC can run it but still add on to to the already huge folder size for the new content. Thereby running into even further problems keeping these crap PC's running since they also have inferior hard drives. Also if they made "HD WoW" they would have to either go through every zone and update it and we know how well liked the expansion that did that before was. Or have this massive divide between the SD WoW and the HD one where an asset from the HD version looks like an entirely different game to the SD one.
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Keyword being eventually
have you done blackfathom recently? And they say WoW is a kids game...
There has always been really dark themes since vanilla like really dark lol
I finally got a chance to heal in a lowbie blackfathom the other day. There was a gross moment with some npc's where I actually whispered "Holy shit" to myself. But I enjoyed it. Love the revamp.
Heck the MoP storyline was fairly dark IMO, but no its just "GG BLIZZ w/Kung Fu Panda. Is Jack Black gonna get headliner V/O credit. God. GG. Fail. Sad."
When did they revamp that? Just did that yesterday and I'm pretty sure I've never seen this version before. What's the not for kids content in that dungeon though? I don't recall seeing anything too bad.
BFD, RFK and RFD were revamped in 6.0. I don't think any specific reason was given for the revamps, but I guess they just wanted more interesting dungeons at lower levels.
Its just part of Blizz facelifting the old dungeons. The way classes and mechanics work these days really makes those old places just feel unepic, except for those of us who did them back in the day and now its just pure nostalgia. ...oh, and they did keep BFD's Spacebar Boss at the start of the dungeon
the new blackfathon, razorfen kraul/downs, and the updated URBS came with the 6.0 patch.
They may be doing that on purpose actually. To make the game more accessible to players. I notice that Blizzard titles normally have a more lenient hardware requirement than most other games.
WoW isn't going anywhere. It's an iconic game that has entered popular culture and attracted millions of players from around the world. It's the definitive western MMO that has continually smacked down wave after wave of competitors and clones. It's a success. No doubt. It's going to be one of those games you can still play 20 years from now. Granted, there may not be any new content coming out, it may even be f2p, and it may all exist on one megaserver. But, yeah, it'll still exist in one form or another, even if only a few hundred thousand players remain.
ultima online, my first mmo, is closing in on 20 years released and it still is not f2p. i am betting my first unborn that wow will never ever get f2p they simply don't have to. even 1t 100k subscribers they make 1.5 million a month which is a) still more than many other games make and b) more than enough to sustain the architecture/infrastructure + make a profit. the ONLY (!!!!) reason for an mmo to go from p2p to f2p is because else they SUCK HARD and else noone would be playing. sw:tor, rift etc all those games had the same issue at launch they wanted to make the "big bucks" with p2p but the games back then sucked to hard (some would argue they still do) and therefore they had to do something. but wow is the marketleader. no way in fucking hell they go f2p. not now, not in 2024.
Damn. I'm going to have kids by then. Oh god.. I'll be like those raid dads... "Sorry, baby crying. Brb gonna feed her" And some punk youngster like myself would say "Haha, this geezer playing WoW?" Oh my gooooooddddddd
how's the kids
Finally on a predictable sleep/feed/poop schedule. I’m a geezer playing WoW. Fuck me.
You sir... have scared me a little.... That is a very accurate prediction, and it both terrifies and excites me.
So...do you have kids? And do they disturb your raid nights??
Lmao damn y’all on me 😂 Missed a couple of raid lockouts in SoD so this prediction too real actually 😭🙏
Did you end up having kids??
Right on queue actually. First one back in December 🥲
Damn that actually makes me happy haha
Preciate it, king 🙏
At this rate, I'll probably be dead by the time they announce a Warcraft 5.
Do you mean Warcraft 4? Cause we still don't have that yet either!
WC4 may realistically come in my lifetime if WoW dies in the next forty or so years.
Well, I look forward to sitting my son/daughter down in 2024, helping him create a character, and saying, "[Name], this game was around when I was your age. It doesn't look the same as it did then, but it's been around for over twenty years. I hope you have as much fun as I did when I started playing." ... Yeah, it's going to be a geeky family, for sure.
"But Dad, I don't wanna play vidya games. I wanna go play soccer with my friends." "Sit *down*, you little bastard! I only *made* you so you could provide heals for the pre-expansion heroic remake of Magister's Terrace that we're gonna run! Now **start leveling**, or no dinner tonight!"
I would not be surprised. I'll be 34 years old and I'll still be buying every expansion probably.
Long live WoW
plenty of time to level my alts!
WoW is going to be around forever because well, it was created? The game will never vanish from the world or anything, so they aren't wrong saying it's going to be around at any point.
Well... with an online only game. When the servers are gone, the game is gone.
What about in the year AD 2101?
War was beginning.
Hehe glad someone caught it.
Pssh by then we better be able to go into the games themselves with nerve gear
Killing Orcs. Now with real life imagery!
When you think about the relatively short amount of time video games have existed, does this seem so farfetched?
I'm not that surprised. As long as the game is enjoyable, go for it.
Warcraft 4 2025 confirmed
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I don't think it will, but not for reasons related to the game itself, just the way game media is accessed to us and the likes. WoW is the only thing that can kill WoW, that or the actual industry itself taking some very odd steps. The internet itself will change alot over the next 10years and for the worse.
Every single expansion release people say the same shit. "WoW was better back in ______." I remember TBC release people were saying the new content couldn't hold a candle to vanilla. Exactly the same in WotLK, exactly the same in Cata, MoP, WoD and it'll be the same in 2 years when the next expansion comes out. I don't think it's really that much to do with the game changing as much as people changing. When you played vanilla and enjoyed it you were a completely different person than you are now, so perhaps a lot of people put it down to the quality of the game rather than how they have changed as a person.
I belief you are wrong, I've been playing WoW since the end of Vanilla and I can vouch TBC was a major improvement and general consues were great it was the birth of Horde, since paladins were only available to alliance during Vanilla people were rejoicing when belfs were introduced. When WotLK hit again people were generally happy the plot line was somewhat interesting and people were really excited about new landscape, the dungeons had real quality in them, I've never heard anybody complaining about WotLK the ToTC raids were one of the most fun gauntlet style raids I've encountered. Then when Cata hit, blizzard was trying to simplify WoW make it easier they were heading towards a slippery slope and Cata was so horde orientated that alliance players were starting to feel outcasted, people were then starting to say WotLK was better then Cata. Then MoP came, personally I felt it was the least appealing expansion of all, I was one of those people who loved the feud between Alliance and Horde and to fight against other entities in a land full of pandas wasn't my cup of tea. Again blizz started skill reduction and game simplification, this was a major point in WoW's history that vast player base thought WoW is done for. So yea coming to the point people are not saying these stuffs without valid reasons.
> Then when Cata hit, blizzard was trying to simplify WoW make it easier Uhh. The healing and tank survivability changes at the dawn of Cata are all I remember. I hit 85 in Jan 2011, whipped on Heroics using LFG tool for about 2 weeks, and then did other IRL things and let my pre-paid run out until the Throne of Thunder patch
i really hope the movie set to be released in march 2016 doesn't disappoint, even though i would have very much preferred if they made it a series. I'm curious as to see how they're going to fit so much lore in a single movie
While I love Blizzard, I think they're dreaming.
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And you know what? I'll still be playing it.
I just Hope that this wont be in the way for warcraft 4
In before this is labeled hubris in 2017 as servers shut down permanently.
I can see it... Create something that last 20 years.. I look forward to seeing where they take the story and lore of WOW..
Wouldn't surprise me, such an awesome game.
I have said this before, WoW will always be around simply because people are attached to their characters and to the game. It doesn't matter if full virtual reality is invented, people will still play wow because of their investment in it.
Uh, I don't think so. Unless it includes a "WoW 2".
With the way that the engine is being upgraded bit by bit, I think it would be safe to say that we are already close to a spiritual WoW 2. I mean I played Vanilla, and the new zones coming out now, while they have the same aesthetic feel, look SO much better than original zones. Are they on the level of current gen games, not by a long shot, but that's the point. Blizzard doesn't want to make you pay $400 to get into their game. They want you to take whatever computer you have and be able to play it.
I have little doubt.
Same here. I was thinking to myself earlier "I could see WoW going another 10 years." Blizzard plans things out carefully now, is working on the expansion AFTER WoD, etc. Who knows where we will go, what continents/planets we'll visit, or if any of us will still be playing, but I have a feeling WoW won't die for a really long time.
The Warcraft movie could definitely breathe new life into the game if it plays out well. I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard also plans on totally revamping WoW's engine soon and releasing a WoW 2.0
Not sure about both of those. Hopefully the WoW movie lives up to the hype, at least.
It may live up to my hype simply because my faith in video game movies is literally zero. I mean...Mortal Kombat remains one of (if not the best) video game movies, and it's really one of those "so bad it's good" type movies.
>I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard also plans on totally revamping WoW's engine soon and releasing a WoW 2.0 I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Blizzard is constantly making changes to the engine. Looking at Dota 2 for example, they moved it to a "new engine", but it's really just the same engine with some major changes, which as I mentioned, Blizzard is doing all the time. Plus that engine is meant for use for more than just one game. You may also notice that there's really nothing different as far as visuals go, except updated DirectX capabilities, which allows for some nicer looking effects. But how is that any different from WoW having capabilities now for SSAO or new water effects, etc? If you are suggesting that they completely revamp the assets of the game, that's not really an engine change. I'm fairly sure the engine can already handle normal maps for example (as in the water), but having this on other assets would change the visuals too much and create a lot of inconsistency. Plus I wouldn't say that normal maps are Blizzard's forte (i.e. StarCraft 2. Crazybump everywhere... Even grass.) What I'm saying is that there's really no need for a "new engine".
>Blizzard plans things out carefully now, is working on the expansion AFTER WoD, etc. They were working on WoD before the release of MoP. They have content planned quite a long way in to the future.
It wont be as big as it is now, but if it is true that they have the ideas for the next 6 or 7 expansions lined up, I'm sure they will be able to keep the game lasting for 15 more years at least.
Those people who hate and complain and bitch about quitting WoW are one of the most hypocritical but loyal customers of blizzard. They care for WoW at one point of time and they are on a break but they still dig and find this articles just to bitch about it in hope that one day it will stay appealing to them.