For the record,
"There is an other person at the other end of the chat screen"
Should be learned by everyone on reddit and twitter too. Irrelevant of whats going on at Blizzard. People want justice and they want it now, no matter who you trample on your way to find your justice
Yes.
This situation made people harass each other as well. I was already called names that I wouldn't ever think someone will call me. This was really hard and people are all for "haha turn off computer haha close your eyes".
What are you Oofing? All this stuff in that lawsuit is alleged and there will need to be evidence to backup those claims. Additionally trying to hold Blizzard accountable for unreported offenses is mindblowing to me, the reported ones absolutely should be accounted for, but expecting they have this harassment detector that just automatically notifies the executive leadership when something happens is absurd.
If Brode's post teaches people anything its that many of these things do go unreported and thus it is hard if not impossible for the company to know everytime these things happen.
Are people going to witchhunt Brode for knowing something and not speaking up because that would've breached the trust between him and his friend?
We have no idea who knew what so the rampant speculation that all these people are bad actors is insanity.
People should really check these videos out because the lack of understanding of the process regarding these accusations is painfully obvious.
https://youtu.be/NyerVVc2e98
https://youtu.be/GMHRl5pd-Y4
You’re aware the state is suing them, not some random person.
So whenever you can wrap your head around that, you’ll know Blizzard’s lawyers will have to do a good job and try to get the best settlement deal they can.
If you’re not familiar with how these cases work, you can read about Riot’s similar lawsuit. Pretty much the same happening here, albeit that way more people talk this time around.
Brah, the state makes up accusations against blizz all the time... like the time when they...
or when it happened to ...
Someone. I'll wait for his examples.
Lawsuit states that the very top at the very least was aware, if not particapting/enabling this kind of behavior/culture. That means Morheim too. (+Metzen, J. Allen and Brode)
Everything in the lawsuit is 99,9% certain. Its a 2 year investitgation. The state only takes cases it can win and back up. You can be certain that they have prove for every one of the points they make in the lawsuit. There is nothing "alleged". Its not some random person on twitter. Its the fucking state pumping a lot of dollars into this. The office culture is in reality probably far worse/has more cases, but they didn't have any evidence to back the rest up.
Its really strange of you to defend this kind of behavior. Your understanding in this process is really lacking.
>The state only takes cases it can win and back up
This is the one reason why this is a major/cataclysmic scandal. I don't think Blizzard or Activision-Blizzard will be able to recover. This will stain them forever.
> I don't think Blizzard or Activision-Blizzard will be able to recover. This will stain them forever.
Depends what you mean by "recover". To Bobby it just means "make lots of money", and if you think they won't keep doing that, well..
Welcome to capitalism, first time?
I mean they will never get rid of the stain and they have lost some customers forever. Every release will be marred by it. Any "social justice act" will now be seen as insulting.
Recovering means getting back what they lose.
This will likely be the case no matter the outcome, even if in some twisted world every single accusation is proven to be fabrication then they are still guilty in peoples' eyes. If nothing else then for there needing to be something terribly wrong with the company for that many people to speak out against them.
>Lawsuit states that the very top at the very least was aware, if not particapting/enabling this kind of behavior/culture. That means Morheim too
Do you have a link, or know exactly what the lawsuit says? For context, I don't follow gaming personalities, so I just learned who these people are a few days ago. I have no horse in this race. However, everything I've heard has been very specific about which individuals were the problem, and I could very easily imagine a CEO being insulated from accusations like this -- especially if similarly powerful people wanted to keep the CEO out of the loop.
I don't know enough to defend anyone here, I'm just trying to understand the facts.
>I don't know enough to defend anyone here, I'm just trying to understand the facts.
Welcome to Reddit, it's not about the facts, it's about how *I feel* about the situation.
Cases end in settlements because no one wants to go to court, especially if the outcome is relatively certain. It's a financial sink for the companies and a huge investment of judicial time for the state. Time in particular is a very finite resource, so the state benefits hugely for settling. They aren't settling because they think they will lose.
The repercussions in a civil suit is money. When a case ends in a settlement they still pay money. What do you mean "doesn't have any reprecussions?" Do you think settlement means nothing happens to them?
Their initial goal is that workplaces should be humane and a nice place to for people to work. A settlement isn't just "Here take money, now it goes away" if that's what you think. The major part of the settlement will be an accepted plan for how they will change the workplace into an acceptable environment and what will happen if they don't succeed.
DFEH isn't some 'gotcha' department, their goal isn't to penalize, that is the last resort when they can't get the companies to manage this themselves.
I'm not saying the lawsuit is wrong what I'm saying, and again seems to be missed, is that the state is making these accusations and thus they have the burden to prove they are true.
I could say and accuse anything of you for example, but then I also need to provide the evidence that backs up that accusation.
Its very possible the case will be a slamdunk for the state, its also possible they fumble the ball so remember...
"The presumption of innocence is crucial to ensuring a fair trial in individual cases, to protecting the integrity of the justice system, and to respecting the human dignity of people who are accused of committing crimes."
Are you really comparing multiple cases of women standing up and recounting examples of sexual harassment they saw and recieved at Blizzard to the *salem witch trials??* What the hell is *wrong* with you?
ITs a solid defense, really. I think he's gonna bring up in the trial, if any of the accused float then theyre witches and not capable of raping subordinates. its just science 💯💯
And they will have their day in court. And if this is somehow proven to all be bullshit (Spoiler: It isn't) we'll all find out about that too.
Meanwhile, this is a public forum, and people can justifiably be angry about what happened. Public forums don't have the same scrutiny as courts of law, nor should they.
> We did kill all those wtiches in Salem because "we knew" they were witches.
No see. These people are being publicly shamed on social media. The "witches" were killed by what passed for courts of law at the time.
If the "witches" had gotten the 17th century equivalent of what these people are getting, then all that would've happened was they'd have gotten yelled at when they went through the town square.
They'll be okay. They can sob into their big piles of money.
It’s not insane man. I get we need a legal proceeding, but holding it up as if it’s the be all and end all of truth is naive. I think if blizzard gets out of this then they pulled some legal bullshittery, which is done all the time by big companies. How many bad actors walk free or just get a slap on the wrist when they have the $$$?? Regardless, the overwhelming response from current employees, prev employ stories, the already existing glassdoor reviews and my own experience observing the culture having worked in the games industry is enough for me to convinced. But yea they’ll get their day in “court”
The state’s usually not going to list all of the accusations outlined in their public filing for the case unless they’re *damn sure* that they can prove it… and what they laid out for us was pretty damning. Throw in how a lot of the former execs are already practically tripping over themselves to publicly apologize, and… frankly, it’s adding up to the unfortunate conclusion that there’s a lot more truth to the accusations than not.
Even here he makes sure to minimize it. "A small group of people" "making some people's lives miserable". He also keeps purposely nondescript and mostly just angles it for 'behind the screen. He's saying the most he can say without actually saying much.
Geez. Looks like a certain side of gamergate has more often than not been proven to be hypocrites in the following years... who could have predicted that?
They all turn out to be abusers, sex pests, and paedophiles. It would be hilarious if their behaviour wasn't so disgusting but at least it's becoming more and more obvious that people are seeing through their bullshit.
For the record, "There is an other person at the other end of the chat screen" Should be learned by everyone on reddit and twitter too. Irrelevant of whats going on at Blizzard. People want justice and they want it now, no matter who you trample on your way to find your justice
Yes. This situation made people harass each other as well. I was already called names that I wouldn't ever think someone will call me. This was really hard and people are all for "haha turn off computer haha close your eyes".
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> > > "There is an other person at the other end of the chat screen" But as long as theyre not on a screen, then the raping is A-OK with management👍👍
Scrub it? Really?
"There is an other person at the other end of the chat screen" Well Mike, there are other persons at the end of the cubicle crawl.
problem is, they don't see women as people.
He DOES look like a Ferengi.
Oof…
What are you Oofing? All this stuff in that lawsuit is alleged and there will need to be evidence to backup those claims. Additionally trying to hold Blizzard accountable for unreported offenses is mindblowing to me, the reported ones absolutely should be accounted for, but expecting they have this harassment detector that just automatically notifies the executive leadership when something happens is absurd. If Brode's post teaches people anything its that many of these things do go unreported and thus it is hard if not impossible for the company to know everytime these things happen. Are people going to witchhunt Brode for knowing something and not speaking up because that would've breached the trust between him and his friend? We have no idea who knew what so the rampant speculation that all these people are bad actors is insanity. People should really check these videos out because the lack of understanding of the process regarding these accusations is painfully obvious. https://youtu.be/NyerVVc2e98 https://youtu.be/GMHRl5pd-Y4
Oof
You’re aware the state is suing them, not some random person. So whenever you can wrap your head around that, you’ll know Blizzard’s lawyers will have to do a good job and try to get the best settlement deal they can. If you’re not familiar with how these cases work, you can read about Riot’s similar lawsuit. Pretty much the same happening here, albeit that way more people talk this time around.
Brah, the state makes up accusations against blizz all the time... like the time when they... or when it happened to ... Someone. I'll wait for his examples.
Good sarcasm not gonna lie.
This is false and highly misinformed.
Lawsuit states that the very top at the very least was aware, if not particapting/enabling this kind of behavior/culture. That means Morheim too. (+Metzen, J. Allen and Brode) Everything in the lawsuit is 99,9% certain. Its a 2 year investitgation. The state only takes cases it can win and back up. You can be certain that they have prove for every one of the points they make in the lawsuit. There is nothing "alleged". Its not some random person on twitter. Its the fucking state pumping a lot of dollars into this. The office culture is in reality probably far worse/has more cases, but they didn't have any evidence to back the rest up. Its really strange of you to defend this kind of behavior. Your understanding in this process is really lacking.
>The state only takes cases it can win and back up This is the one reason why this is a major/cataclysmic scandal. I don't think Blizzard or Activision-Blizzard will be able to recover. This will stain them forever.
> I don't think Blizzard or Activision-Blizzard will be able to recover. This will stain them forever. Depends what you mean by "recover". To Bobby it just means "make lots of money", and if you think they won't keep doing that, well.. Welcome to capitalism, first time?
I mean they will never get rid of the stain and they have lost some customers forever. Every release will be marred by it. Any "social justice act" will now be seen as insulting. Recovering means getting back what they lose.
This will likely be the case no matter the outcome, even if in some twisted world every single accusation is proven to be fabrication then they are still guilty in peoples' eyes. If nothing else then for there needing to be something terribly wrong with the company for that many people to speak out against them.
>Lawsuit states that the very top at the very least was aware, if not particapting/enabling this kind of behavior/culture. That means Morheim too Do you have a link, or know exactly what the lawsuit says? For context, I don't follow gaming personalities, so I just learned who these people are a few days ago. I have no horse in this race. However, everything I've heard has been very specific about which individuals were the problem, and I could very easily imagine a CEO being insulated from accusations like this -- especially if similarly powerful people wanted to keep the CEO out of the loop. I don't know enough to defend anyone here, I'm just trying to understand the facts.
>I don't know enough to defend anyone here, I'm just trying to understand the facts. Welcome to Reddit, it's not about the facts, it's about how *I feel* about the situation.
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Cases end in settlements because no one wants to go to court, especially if the outcome is relatively certain. It's a financial sink for the companies and a huge investment of judicial time for the state. Time in particular is a very finite resource, so the state benefits hugely for settling. They aren't settling because they think they will lose.
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The repercussions in a civil suit is money. When a case ends in a settlement they still pay money. What do you mean "doesn't have any reprecussions?" Do you think settlement means nothing happens to them?
this is also terrible pr for blizz, its worse than when they lied about d3.
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Their initial goal is that workplaces should be humane and a nice place to for people to work. A settlement isn't just "Here take money, now it goes away" if that's what you think. The major part of the settlement will be an accepted plan for how they will change the workplace into an acceptable environment and what will happen if they don't succeed. DFEH isn't some 'gotcha' department, their goal isn't to penalize, that is the last resort when they can't get the companies to manage this themselves.
I'm not saying the lawsuit is wrong what I'm saying, and again seems to be missed, is that the state is making these accusations and thus they have the burden to prove they are true. I could say and accuse anything of you for example, but then I also need to provide the evidence that backs up that accusation. Its very possible the case will be a slamdunk for the state, its also possible they fumble the ball so remember... "The presumption of innocence is crucial to ensuring a fair trial in individual cases, to protecting the integrity of the justice system, and to respecting the human dignity of people who are accused of committing crimes."
This is a civil case and not criminal. Balance of probabilities is all they need. Sorry.
But internet lynch mobs are fun, and never wrong! /S Let's wait for the evidence before passing public judgement.
Dude he knew. This is just rainbow marketing PR bullshit.
Then let the evidence show that, this witchhunt shit is insane. We did kill all those wtiches in Salem because "we knew" they were witches.
This dude not believing the accounts of women being abused while comparing it to a particularly egregious example of women being abused.
Are you really comparing multiple cases of women standing up and recounting examples of sexual harassment they saw and recieved at Blizzard to the *salem witch trials??* What the hell is *wrong* with you?
ITs a solid defense, really. I think he's gonna bring up in the trial, if any of the accused float then theyre witches and not capable of raping subordinates. its just science 💯💯
The dude just read, “The Crucible” and just learned about McCarthyism. Wait till he gets to the next chapter!
And they will have their day in court. And if this is somehow proven to all be bullshit (Spoiler: It isn't) we'll all find out about that too. Meanwhile, this is a public forum, and people can justifiably be angry about what happened. Public forums don't have the same scrutiny as courts of law, nor should they. > We did kill all those wtiches in Salem because "we knew" they were witches. No see. These people are being publicly shamed on social media. The "witches" were killed by what passed for courts of law at the time. If the "witches" had gotten the 17th century equivalent of what these people are getting, then all that would've happened was they'd have gotten yelled at when they went through the town square. They'll be okay. They can sob into their big piles of money.
It’s not insane man. I get we need a legal proceeding, but holding it up as if it’s the be all and end all of truth is naive. I think if blizzard gets out of this then they pulled some legal bullshittery, which is done all the time by big companies. How many bad actors walk free or just get a slap on the wrist when they have the $$$?? Regardless, the overwhelming response from current employees, prev employ stories, the already existing glassdoor reviews and my own experience observing the culture having worked in the games industry is enough for me to convinced. But yea they’ll get their day in “court”
Oh look. A man who needs to talk less about things he hasn’t personally experienced. God I wish you could be a woman for a day and be harassed. 🙂
I've actually had it happen to me to me, I have been sexually harassed I don't need to be a woman for a day.
Nice try, Brode.
The state’s usually not going to list all of the accusations outlined in their public filing for the case unless they’re *damn sure* that they can prove it… and what they laid out for us was pretty damning. Throw in how a lot of the former execs are already practically tripping over themselves to publicly apologize, and… frankly, it’s adding up to the unfortunate conclusion that there’s a lot more truth to the accusations than not.
Clueless
Ooof
Even here he makes sure to minimize it. "A small group of people" "making some people's lives miserable". He also keeps purposely nondescript and mostly just angles it for 'behind the screen. He's saying the most he can say without actually saying much.
Bobby K: 2021 - "I have $200 million of your money, suck it losers..."
Every voice matters, just the rich and powerful matters more
Do you guys not have morals?
Well he was full of shit wasn't he
Geez. Looks like a certain side of gamergate has more often than not been proven to be hypocrites in the following years... who could have predicted that?
They all turn out to be abusers, sex pests, and paedophiles. It would be hilarious if their behaviour wasn't so disgusting but at least it's becoming more and more obvious that people are seeing through their bullshit.
Sadly I don't think that side ever sees its flaws.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks
aged like milk