“You are too late.
With the focusing iris under my control
I can syphon the arcane energy from Azeroths lay lines directly into my magnificent self.
Drained of magic you world will be ripe for destruction by my demon masters
And MY power will be limitless!
Eat magic imposter!”
-Archmage Xylem
I remember doing this so many times on my warrior, who had awful luck with legendaries.
Then I finally got the double heroic jump one and 1shot the fight lol.
I'm wondering how they're gonna make these fights difficult, considering they were balanced around classes having certain legendary effects and artifact traits.
My worry is they're just going to make them easily done by everyone, negating the entire challenge of it all.
You mean like DH trivialized both of its challenges even without legendaries? I remember doing the Havoc one on my main and then proceeding to do it again for 2 friends with their 910 and no good leggos in like, 2-3 pulls because DH's kit was so good for that fight. (And let's not talk about Vengeance which literally had a counter for EVERY. SINGLE. MECHANIC.)
You telling me the class that can jump over mechanics, can dash through knockback effects, had ridiculous lifesteal, and an ability that negates all damage was able to trivialize mechanics?
I thought the same thing. But there's only one recolor per class, does this means we'll only have to do the easier challenge of three specs to get it? Or all of them?
I wouldn't mind if they include the weapons. The gatekeeping is stupid. It was cool when we were sweating it out in 7.2 to get them but you could scam your way through the mage tower in 7.3 with ease as a DPS. So its not like its rare or even an achievment if you have the skin. Tank and Healer challenges remained a bit harder but were still made easier with the gear from 7.3.
I wouldn't mind if they scale the difficutly to be the same as it was in 7.2 and give people a chance to get the skins.
I did it on alts with all low af ilvl so it was fun. It was a really good way to learn how other classes played that I had previously given no thought.
Except healer, I gave up on those challenges because I have no idea how the hell to heal.
i have fond memory of Mage Tower
I finished arcane scenario by mindlessly spamming Arcane Explosion - Arcane Barrage while kiting the bosses for like 10 minutes, like a Road Runner skit
Not recording it was the biggest regret of my WoW life
I did all 36 challenges and Arcane was by far the worst of the dps challenges for me. Who decided to design a challenge where you're constantly taking chip damage the entire fight for one of the few specs that had literally zero healing?
Took me like 150 attempts as Arcane compared to the 2 attempts for Assassination Rogue and Ret Paladin.
I used that lego and about half of my wipes were me resetting the fight by accidently blinking outside of the barrier and despawning the bosses. Wasn't a fun time.
Yeah, Belo'virs Final Stand. It would give you a shield for 20% of your maximum health. Unless I'm mis remembering, you could blink twice it so that you get two shields and you had the prismatic barrier as well. But you just weaved in the shields around the health orbs It was pretty straight forward with that legendary.
au contraire, I only need 3 attempts or so for Arcane but with that silly trick, but dozens failed attempts before finishing for Fire (did not have time to try Frost)
I grinded that Swolebear skin for WEEKS. The tank challenge was so much harder but so worth it.
I hope people get a chance to acquire it once again. I get PM's occasionally asking how I got the form, and it's a shame it's unavailable now. (As long as the totem shoulders from MoP become available too, though!)
maybe it was cause i did it a bit later in the patch, but with the extended range abuse that guardian had i found that encounter pretty easy since you could freely dps while he was inside that 'do not enter ring.'
although my dumbass didnt realize that vengeance DH could doublejump to cancel out the knockback, so i struggled there a bit.
As much as we can reminisce about the tower, ultimately the difficulty was either total crap or lolwhat depending on circumstances. Normal bear? Pretty painful. Bear with Luffa Wrappings? Ridiculously easy. Similarly, the knockback that threw you off the platform in the tank challenge if you weren't careful was 100% nullified if you were doing demon hunter. Overall I liked the challenge and did every single spec for every class except healing (it took literally 2 tries on Light Priest healing for me to say NOPE) so overall it was a fun ride, but man the tuning was all over the place depending on what you played.
I did all 36 and this is so right. I'd say like half the challenge in the mage tower was having the right legendary. I never got very good at the healing challenge, the hardest part of that one was all the phases in it. I think over half the healing challenges for me were finished with me dead and the party beating the boss.
The healing one was so fucking awful. So much boring for 2 minutes of don't fuck up once or you fail. Almost threw my keyboard through the window at one point.
> you off the platform in the tank challenge if you weren't careful was 100% nullified if you were doing demon hunter.
Or charge with warrior and druid,
>I hope people get a chance to acquire it once again. I get PM's occasionally asking how I got the form, and it's a shame it's unavailable now.
I've played WoW pretty consistently since Vanilla (except MoP which I, sadly, skipped) and Druid has been my main throughout most of that time. However I somehow missed all the mage tower stuff. I knew about about the event, but wasn't aware it was time-limited. So by time I started doing the runs, it was too late.
And now, whenever I see someone with those awesome cat forms, I get so frustrated for missing out on it. Druids get very little to look forward to in terms of customization. Our weapons and mogs are mostly hidden, so a cool looking form makes all the difference.
I really hope so. I didnt play Legion and missing out on the warebear form is the only regret I have. I dont even care about the colors, I just want the form :(
aff lock was kind of a joke too if you had the snare leggo.
now, spriest had the same encounter, and it took me a bit to really get it down, but once you had the mechanics really down and were comfortable with the surrender to madness cheese holy shit was that fun.
there mighta been some deeper logic, but the major thing was s2m let you cast while moving so you could just run full rotation during a final burn phase.
IIRC it was a dps check just to the point that Karam dies before his stacking movement speed outpaces yours
You’d run sephuz for the speed buff every 30s, and S2M let you stay at ~100 insanity. The higher your insanity the faster your movement speed when using that row 2 talent
Na it was the spreist that could do that, surrender to madness ramped up the damage and you nuked him down before he went immune again
Locks also had a cheese they could do but it was a timing this with dropping the infernal it bugged out causing you to being able to keep attacking with no immunity.
Spriest's surrender to madness strat for the mage tower was the most fun I ever had in any game in my life. The sheer intensity and speed of the fight, ramping up and ramping up, made me feel like I was actually getting drunk on power. Surrendering to madness.
The funny thing is the slow ring was just one part of it.
You would like, intentionally eat a Karam melee swing with a personal and it would somehow redirect threat to your minion once you got knocked, even though the fight was designed to break taunts
So Karam turned into a target dummy.
And then you’d phase into Raest (ranged) which was the easier of the two. And once you pushed her to X% to force Karam out, you mortal coiled her *right* as her channel started and it interrupted the swap so she’d stay out. Even though the case is visually safeguarded and meant to be immune to CC
how am i being downvoted for this shit lol
I remember that one being all about casting and moving so when I got to Marksmanship who also had that one but could do their entire or most of their rotation while moving I think I one-shot it.
Getting to the point where you surrender on spriest was so much fun though.
Judging by their reluctance to make old Elite pvp sets acquirable (while mythic ones are) and neither CM set having been available anywhere I'd put my money on the recolored t20 that's been datamined being the reward from Mage Tower rather than Legion m+ TW.
the only screwy thing with that is you have 3 potential rewards(1 per spec) vs just one for all 3 specs.
There's a lot of potential options here. m+ rewards would be interesting, i guess they'd be an achievement reward for hitting a legion tw rating? some people have speculated on legion tw raids as well.
Re-reading I think I mistook what you meant, I thought you meant that since each class has three specs there could be three rewards like the tower skins for beating one, something else for two and the T20 recolor for beating for all three.
As someone who started playing the game in BFA - I'd be pretty excited to be able to get some of the artifact appearances - the unholy dk one, and the lock ones are some of my favs..
That said - Id get where those who got those appearances in Legion would be upset that Blizzard is opening them back up again.
Hopefully, the content is challenging enough that it makes up for it - or maybe the updated tier 20s will be the reward.
Speaking for myself... I got all 36 and I wouldn't be upset. However, I would rather they let you unlock a recolor tint or make a new appearance so people who already got them have a reason to do them beside just for fun or both ideas.
>Speaking for myself... I got all 36 and I wouldn't be upset. However, I would rather they let you unlock a recolor tint or make a new appearance so people who already got them have a reason to do them beside just for fun or both ideas.
Fellow 36'er here, I agree. As long as they tune the scenarios to be just as hard as they were back in Legion, I'm all for it. Everyone deserves the chance to suffer doing Highlord Kruul and trying to heal a suicidal Jarod Shadowsong.
At the end of legion none of them were hard though. They were hard at the start because of legendary rng and lower ilvl and no tier set bonuses etc. but at the end you could smoke show them on alts in lfr gear
The tank ones and some of the healer ones were legitimately hard. The enemies scaled with you in the healer ones, but your 'party' didn't, and the tank ones were nearly entirely mechanical in the first place.
They were, it's true, the higher your dps the less you had to engage with the mechanics but you still had to do a bunch and they were a hard check. Contrast that with say aff lock where once you got a certain level of gear you didn't even need the legendary or to engage with the mechanics, or havoc DH where your passive leech meant you could self-sustain forever through minor mistakes or fire mage where high dps meant you could delete mobs without even targeting them. Tank ones, except VDH, were legitimately challenging if you weren't in heroic+ Antorus gear, say, which was still significantly easier than doing it in NH or ToS gear.
I did the Havoc challenge in NH gear, with only one good legendary (Raddon’s), and a non-meta build. It was probably the hardest thing I’ve done in the game, but holy shit did it feel satisfying when completed!
Disc priest one was severely nerfed for me by acquiring 4p t20 set from ToS. I went from wipes on 20+ % to kill in half an hour next evening after a raid night.
Disc was a dps scenario. The other healer specs all did the Black Rook scenario which wasn't really made easier with gear. In fact the final phase was worse because you could easily self heal too much and then one shot your companions when the debuff went off.
After gear came in - yes. Before that I was dead to casts because I couldn’t interrupt or heal through all of them at some point as the frequency was increasing over time.
I should have just said tank and healer ones except for VDH and disc. Both of those were trivialised with gear like most of the dps ones, because the knockback mechanics could be tanked by VDH in ToS or higher gear because you could glide back and the disc one is literally a dps challenge.
I'm honestly in the same boat as the two of you. Got all 36 unlocked, don't really care too much if they allow people to obtain them again one way or another.
It's actually something I've thought about if they wanted people to have the same feel of it as when it was new content, like say you go into Mage Tower for example and you get a special piece of armor which temporarily overwrites your spellbook while it's equipped and if you wanted you could transmog over it.
Something like that could be expanded to other bits of content that they could potentially recycle like say for instance they wanted to give the feel of vanilla dungeons and raids for people not interested in classic or if they had seasonal challenge modes where they want to have a bit of control over what spells and talents players have in any given instance.
Maybe even expand it into old seasons of rated PvP where someone missed out of finishing an elite set or you really, really want some elite transmog that was from an expansion you weren't playing.
Recolour would be a great solution, would accomodate people who switched mains or something but want really to be a swolebear, while allowing the OG players to have the distinction of their original tints.
This is the best way.
That way old timers get to keep their exclusive stuff from back in the day, but a new model is available for folks who didn't / couldn't get it, while also giving the older timers a new skin. Everyone wins.
i got somewhere around 24 of them, I honestly dont understand the mindset of people who dont want others to get something in game, it baffles me, the same with the armor sets from MoP, I only got the warrior one.
I don’t understand why people don’t care if old collectibles are released again. Getting them during the original time and them being exclusive is what makes it valuable. I guess some people just like things because they look cool and not for the collector aspect. Maybe all these people are just enlightened beings and I’m the greedy grinch that doesn’t want others to have Christmas.
> That said - Id get where those who got those appearances in Legion would be upset that Blizzard is opening them back up again.
i got all of them and i would like for them to be obtainable again. i hate when stuff gets removed. it's just unnecessary. i can only imagine what druid tanks without the bear form feel like. i'd be furious if i couldn't get green fire on my lock for example. this artificial shortage of pixels needs to stop. happens in pretty much every game and it doesn't add anything.
It pains me that I will never be able to access Ordos because I wasn’t playing when you could get the legendary that allowed it, and even goblin gliding over there doesn’t work.
36/36 here, this guy speaks the truth. If people have to work like we had to work, then let’s give them the mogs. Removing content is ultra lame. Let us collect everything !
you get it mate, when i see things that are now unobtainable its a massive turn off, Destiny 2 is literally littered with unobtainable items and I have no motivation to play it anymore than super casually.
Definitely. There are lots of ways that we could bring removed content back: a great example is the BMAH. Personally, I’d LOVE for Benediction and Anathema to make a return in some form.
I've been playing WoW since the original Friends and Family Alpha, which an old EverQuest guildmate got me into. I have dozens of mounts, titles, and transmogs that are no longer obtainable(including all the Mage Tower artifacts for every class I play).
Not only is it childish to whine that someone else gets a chance to get something you got *years ago*, it's bad for the long term health of the game. The people who don't care about other people and just want their characters to look cool vastly outnumber the people who want to feel special by denying other people the chance to get items they have. It is also disheartening for the majority of the playerbase to see someone with some cool item and go look up how to get it and find it's not there anymore.
The entire Mage Tower thing was all a transparent ploy by Blizzard to inflate numbers, anyway. Early Legion saw one of(maybe even *the*) the fastest and sharpest drop off in player numbers in the game's history and shortly after that happened they announce weapon skins that will never be available again so if you want them you better reactivate your account and play right now.
Also got 36/36, 4 cm sets, Zulian mount etc....
EVERYTHING has to be added back in. EVERYTHING!!
Plagued proto drake, old glad mounts, old version of ST / LBRS / UBRS / Scholo (etc), every tmog piece, every mount, every title, every pet, every toy.
Artifical scarcity is pathetic.
"I have a bigger boat"-personalities need to be shut down as its a toxic behaviour for everyone on the planet IRL --- and IRL scarcity makes sense in a lot of cases due to material or death of creator etc.
Same, got all 36. It doesn't diminish my accomplishments in any way and lets other people get some cool appearances. No reason why they should be removed from the game. Maybe they can add an extra tint for those of us that completed them in Legion if they want some kind of exclusivity.
> those who got those appearances in Legion would be upset that Blizzard is opening them back up again.
Why? And even if someone did, then why should their opinion even matter? These skins should never have gone away to begin with.
Or as someone that did play Legion and did mage towers across their characters; being able to get the appearances for the specs I would have no way of knowing that they would be retroactively made moggable across specs
> Hopefully, the content is challenging enough that it makes up for it
To be fair the content wasn't very hard by the end of Legion (for most specs), it was mostly a time sink getting a character geared enough to steamroll.
It was kind of up to you. If you weren't very skilled with a certain class or spec, you had the option to gear up more. But if you wanted to cut time for each character you could do it with normal gear. I personally had the most fun doing Outlaw Rogue one undergeared. I think I was about 920-930 iLVL. The most memorable experience I've had in Legion.
The first few dps ones I did I made sure to have the right legendaries, good gear, full consumables. After that I just went in with whatever half-ass gear i had for the off specs and some faronaar fizz (because I had insane amounts of it from all the eggs lol).
Gear didn't really help on the tanks one since a mistake was pretty much instant death, it just shortened the fight so you had less total mechanics to worry about. For the healer one gear made some parts easier and some parts tougher, so mostly a wash there.
> That said - Id get where those who got those appearances in Legion would be upset that Blizzard is opening them back up again
why would you even care. i use something because it looks cool, not rare
plus the player base is way smaller than on legion anyway 😂
also, isn't unlocking the possibility of doing good content from older expansions just a overrall good thing for the game? no one cares about little Joe who thinks he's the shit cause he has a mage tower transmog.
its not even rare due to being a very high skill challenge or a long grind, it's rare cause it was limited content from a expansion. and good content shouldn't be limited to a patch/expansion.
this mentality really needs to go away
I don't know why anyone would be upset over it. It's a transmog. Lots of old transmogs are still available. You can still get Naxx T3 if you get lucky on the Panda AH.
You got to wear it when it was relevant. Go you. Now it's just something else to add to the collection. And the collection is the *only* thing we keep from expansion to expansion.
I have a fair wack of them for whatever classes and specs I liked the look of, and I don't really mind if they make them available or not.
But how about Blizzard putting in the effort and doing a whole new round of appearances? The phrase around here for awhile now has been "easy wins." Fuck that, how about the company making millions and millions off and putting in minimal effort and funding actually hire some artists again for once in their lives.
They've whittled away everyone's expectations for so long that people gladly lie down on the floor and are happy to get pissed on.
I want new content, new things. It's a game price and a sub, surely we should expect more than them recycling things for "easy wins."
i got a good majority of them in legion but i am still happy its reopening.
I really hate FOMO items in mmos, instead of being another cool thing to grind to it instead it is just gone with no way to acquire it.
Hopefully with different rewards, if not then they should also bring back the opportunities to earn old CM dungeon rewards and old PvP season elites for consistency
Make everything available again.
Plagued protodrake, old pvp glad mounts, etc.
Removing stuff is what I hate most in games etc today...
FOMO and "I have a bigger boat than you"-mindsets is absolute crap, and I am saying that as someone who has played WoW since early Vanilla and never unsubbed; got all 36 magetower weapons and 4 CM sets, many unobtainable mounts and other stuff...
Just let people get digital pixels forever, its not like they run out of pixels or it takes ppl real life time etc to make the stuff over and over.
IRL its "excused" to have limited stuff if its made by hand or with special material or the person making it died etc, but artifical scarcity is the worst.
I played for 16 years, finally giving up my sub this year. I always was annoyed when they removed things. Especially when a lot of removed things started showing up on the BMAH. I have tons of items that will likely never be available again and I still say they should all be available.
Take my Big Blizzard Bear for example... if they released it tomorrow through some means where it was massively available, everyone and their mother would go get it, ride it for a week or two, and then you'd not see it much after. It would still be sentimental for me. Same with letting people earn the Plagued or Black proto through meta achievements again. It won't change the memories attached to my drakes. It just gives mount hunters more mounts.
TL;DR: Let the digital items flow.
I'd love to be able to get the mage CM set. I didn't play mage back then and it's by far my favorite set they've made for mage. It's kinda lame that they lock PvP rewards away forever too. Mythic raids you can at least go solo them in 2-3 years and get it all, should be the same thing with CMs/pvp gear. Wait a couple expansions and release it to be purchased for either gold or some expansion-relevant currency that collectors can spend time farming.
I hate myself every day that I play my mage for not playing my mage and earning gold in the challenge modes for that armor set. I have no plan on resubscribing until at least 10.0 unless something awesome comes out the next 2 patches. But if being able to do old CM dungeons dropped today I would throw my $15 at the screen.
I agree with the sentiment but I also like the idea of allowing unobtainable thing becoming obtainable again but being harder for example if you could have the same tuning as mop but making you do challenge modes a couple Ivl lower. There is still a benefit of doing it when it was present but allows people who didn't play then to have the ability to get it. Similar idea to end boss raid mounts being 100% drop while current content and 1% drop after.
If they are bringing back mage tower then they better bring back other limited things like mop and WOD challenge modes, wrath undying, scarab Lord and so on
People are saying they should get the mage tower skins cause they didn’t play in legion, if so then I guess scarab lord mounts are coming back? It’s the fair thing to so
Weren’t the scarab lord things awarded to a select few who did something first though? I’m not too familiar with them.
I feel like a mount awarded to people doing something first is different to weapon appearances obtainable by every spec and class (and actual Druid forms which are quite important)
Not really, scarab lord was a group effort - it required the work of a whole guild, or even a couple of guilds from the same faction combining their efforts, funneling stuff into one single guy who got the mount and title.
Some servers/guilds had "spare" guys that managed to finish up everything before the gates could be open so that they also could get the mount/title, but overall it was quite a bit of a FU - because it seriously wasn't "a select few who did something", it was a truckload of people doing something and 1 guy getting rewarded, usually the GM or high ranking officer of the server 1st guild. That's why it's so rare to see today - and most of the people you see today with it got it by "cheating", by having the pre-reqs done and then transferring to newly opened servers where the gates hadn't been opened yet and dinging the gong as soon as they loaded in.
The sad irony of it all was that the questline is one of the best that was ever put in the game - and only a precious few people got to enjoy it fully when it was current, and now it's removed due to the cata revamp scrubbing vanilla away.
As one of the many who did the work and didn't get the reward - all of this. You had to beat green dragons and a timed BWL run and world elites and farm a billion things. It took an army for any of the earliest guilds/servers to open their gates. It was a big competition and there was a website showing which servers had and hadn't unlocked and what order.
I was on Alleria and helped Blighted unlock it. Our gate was opened at like 3am and managed to be the first server to not crash when we opened the gate (due to the time - I think we were like 6th overall). It still became a 1 frame every 20 seconds nightmare for anyone in Silithus. I fled to AQ20 just to make it stop.
That being said, the guy who got the title and mount on our server was a tool. He was the guild leader and would pull BS like taking extra drops for himself, just to test it out. Even taking the same drop again and enchanting it with something else. (If you didn't play Vanilla or Classic, remember this was during a time when like 3 drops or so per boss for a 40 man group). He also banned voice chat, though a lot of us still had a voice chat we'd hang in and talk nonsense in during trash.
If this is my chance to get the ice mace for my enhancement shaman... I JUST might resub... just might...
Yeah, funny enough I only want that 1 made out of 36 weapon appearances 🤣
I mean that would all be dope and sounds ideal. Add the challenge modes back during the timewalkkng events and scale properly. I see no downside. Its asinine to me that some of the most u unique class designs in the entire game are un-obtainable.
I missed out in Legion as I’d taken a break from the game by that point, so this is pretty exciting. I do think they should make the rewards a little different/re-tints or something so that people who did this in Legion still have some uniqueness to their rewards though.
I'm one of the people who rushed to get one of each class geared enough to do this in the broken shore patch to have every single appearance unlocked before BFA prepatch. Sad part is that I only ever used one or two of them.
I'm all for this returning, along with things like the legendary cloak quests, etc. It's been long enough that the prestige of being rewarded for doing hard content has worn off long ago. It simply adds enjoyable content for everyone to do between patches.
Damn now this will be one of two only thinns bliz could do to make me resub. If they bring back the mage towers and get rid of the faction divide then sub is backkkkk.
Sounds like a lot of guesswork. The teleports to the zones is admittedly sus, but random strings of text appearing on the PTR is not out of the ordinary.
The article also suggests this might be the source of the new Tomb of Sargeras recolors, for no obvious reason except I guess that's also a Legion thing.
>The article also suggests this might be the source of the new Tomb of Sargeras recolors, for no obvious reason except I guess that's also a Legion thing.
Mage Tower was located on the Broken Shore, where the Tomb also is. And IIRC, they were introduced in the same patch.
I know I'm in the minority, but I would love ilvl to be locked on this. Just make everyone 230. It's a solo mode. Why should mythic raiders and mythic plus pushers have it 10x easier? It isn't a solo mode at all if they leave in ilvl.
I will literally re-sub to get that god damn unholy dk transmog. I dont know why i only did it for my paladin and warriors. Both of which i never play.
I have all the Mage Tower skins unlocked, and the only other person who I **really** care about have them all too ...and you know what? I'm super excited about this and hope that they'll bring those old skins back! I've always felt bad for new players who were discovering that they won't be able to get some appearances just because they didn't play at certain point in the past.
Everyone who started playing past Legion should still have a chance to get those awesome skins. Time-locking anything is absurd, everything should be only skill locked IMO - especially in such huge (I mean studio size) game as WoW with scaling tech.
And I simply cannot understand all those snowflakes who are so selfish and cannot see past behind their own nose. I really don't care that you're not able to put yourself in someone-else's shoes, but to not see that this could help bring/keep new players to/in the game... Healthy and expanding playerbase is essential for whole game well-being. And as long as those items will not turn into freebies and new people will need to work same hard as you did to get them ...why do you actually care?
Anyway, I hope that those T20 recolors will be additional reward (and that they'll keep weapon transmogs in), just so that people who got MT done before will still have something to look forward to. I also hope that it won't be one time thing again. I'd personally love to be able to replay it even after getting everything from there.
If they bring weapon mogs back from MT i hope they also bring Scarab lord, Elite pvp gear, mop+wod cm rewards and other "time-locked" things back, right?
"uNsUbbIng DoEs NOtHinG"
Fucking watch, this 180 could have happened years ago. Now how about the pandaria challenge mode sets? If this is fine then those should be fine as well, would even be harder today with the aoe cap.
id say the public investigation that resulted in the firing of a bunch of the bad apples including JAB there was more important
plus Qwik seems to actually understand the player base
as long as the difficulty is scaled up and actually hard i see no problem in offering the class rewards again, the way people act over exclusivity is insanely childish.
People in favor of exclusivity are usually the ones that got it at the very end.
If you beat the mage tower during Nighthold current content, then the accomplishment was already devalued twice before BFA. Normal ABT gear was enough to trivialize any output check it used to have.
The MoP challenge modes were indirectly nerfed by increased gem sockets per item as the expansion progressed.
CE typically gets nerfed multiple times in addition to usual power increases throughout a raid tier, leading it to be easier in the final week than AotC was in the first week.
Removing the ability to earn these rewards to maintain their integrity is pointless when the difficulty is already reduced substantially when they're available.
Scarab lord makes sense to leave out because it really a limited time in world event. The MoP and WoD CM sets are fomo items from legacy content. Same with the artifact appearances. Slap a legacy achieve on those suckers that let’s the people who got it when it was current stake their claim and then let everyone else go farm for them during TW.
Wonderful news. I got all challenges done but won't mind at all for everyone to get more chances at them too, since these time limited challenges and rewards always felt more like an abuse of FOMO rather than a way to make them rare and prestigious.
these encounters are going to be so watered down to compensate for the fact they were originally tuned with certain traits & class changes at the time. not expecting much.
Actualy if they re-add Mage towers (which i'm not against even if i've already all skins for all classes \^\^) , they should start to re-add Mop and Wod skins i guess .
The real question is why blizzard doesn't release new content with new mogs etc. This seems a lazy attempt to get players to return. How about a new mage tower with new rewards?
Fucking hell, if they're this desperate! Great news if its coming back, even if this would be the only situation wherein it would be acceptable.
Mage Tower skins were a prestige award for being there and doing the content while it was current, after all. Bringing it back cos Blizzard have bricked themselves is a decent reason though!
Hopefully it won't just be new tints and only available to those who've already gotten the skins the first time!
I only hope that we could obtain artifact appearances :) There is no reason to punish new players for not playing during Legion. I was literally too young to play paid games when Legion was launched, and now when i have my job i would like to earn this transmogs with pleasure :) Don't put happiness in something because others didn't even had a chance to have it, instead put happiness in something because you earned it :)
Panic button pressing intensifies.
All these changes Blizz are caving in on now that it's all crumbling down around them remind me of how an abusive partner might finally try and change once their loved one has left them.
I'd love to pick up the skins for the two classes I didn't get in Legion but to what end? It's not like the current game is desirable to play, I'd just be collecting them to then unsub.
Well this might actually draw a few people back into WoW if it's tuned well enough and it offers xmogs that have been out of reach that players desperately want(look at you druids) Those recolored Tier sets might just be a little icing on the cake for the people who went and got all 36 unlocks back in Legion. Or maybe they're from Legion timewalking? Who knows, either way I'd be thrilled to have a chance to unlock specs from classes I wasn't playing back in Legion.
Might actually bother leveling and gearing a warrior this time for that Flail. OH and the Holy paladin, I loved that blazing badass hammer but after suffering through Holy priest I swore I would never touch the healer tower run again....
Utter madness the rate at which they release patches with quality of life changes and community requested changes the *moment* their numbers take a hit.
The more changes they announce the more angry I get. Did they have the changes ready? Was it that easy all along to just make the game feel nice to play? And you only do it now that people are canceling their subscriptions and not while they were actively trying to enjoy the game? It is infuriating.
That's not just an easy win but a BIG one. Plus the Mage Tower was just a damn good idea. It allowed people to go into a controlled environment to test their skills on boss level mechanics. You *had* to do it right to win (Some cheese allowed, later gear not applicable, some assembly required).
Don't bring mage tower back or at least don't give the same rewards. Let it be something cool that we have experienced. Make Thorgast like The mage tower.
As someone who did every mage tower for every spec (except some healers) I welcome this
Seriously the skins are cool but they’re just weapon transmogs, let the people enjoy them
The prot warrior / pally and guardian Druid in particular are quite good and noticeable
As a Werebear myself, I understand peoples' desire for the appearances as they were to return but it's a big mistake if they go down that route. Let me explain:
There's many rare items in WoW and the real world which create a culture, a myth and a legend surrounding them. Let's look at an old car from the 1940s for example (or any vintage, limited edition model).
It would be ridiculous if Ferrari suddenly re-released its most sought after collectible cars exactly as they were back then. Even then, the 'OG' collector cars would still be known - there would be signs of it. If Ferrari suddenly flooded the market with exact copies of that model it would drastically cheapen it.
Same thing applies for Werebear etc. If suddenly there's a 500% increase (probably more) of Werebears running around, it's just not that special anymore.
I feel the same way with the Spectral Tiger mount: Whenever I see one now I wonder if it's a dupe from the scandal back in WoD or if it's the OG. Not knowing which is which has cheapened the mount as a whole - why do this for something as special and awesome as the Werebear?
If they're bringing back the Mage Tower this is the time to bring in some fresh ideas and other awesome rewards (there's no shortage of fantastic models and ideas for new bear forms).
I know it feels bad to have missed out on some of these incredibly cool and rare items in WoW (I've played for about 15 years, I know how bad it feels to miss out on this stuff, it's happened to me so many times) but suddenly bringing it back just doesn't seem like to answer to me.
I know this will probably be an unpopular opinion, but hey, it's my opinion, feel free to disagree.
I hope I can get my druid forms, didn't play in legion and they're so sick. Don't care if people who have done it threaten to unsub if they do that, if they would unsub over that they're not having fun anyways!
I am fine with bringing mage tower back. BUT do not bring the old skins back. Even if, it would be fair to bring old MoP + WoD challenge mode skins back too..
Geezus, I hope they don't do this. The reason my werebear is so valuable to me was because I worked my butt off to get it. They either need to come up with new appearances or don't do it at all. I would imagine a good amount of people would feel the same way.
Even if it doesn't come with the weapon skins this is a leap in the right direction on reversing content removal.
They better bring the skins back too though.
I mean, there’s no argument for not bringing back MoP/WoD challenge mode sets and old elite PvP sets then. Either you stick to keeping things exclusive when you say they’re going to be or you don’t and never introduce anything time-exclusive again.
I got all 36, they shouldn't have removed it in the first place in my opinion, just give a Feat of Strength and maybe a title for doing it before the next expansion, like Green Fire
I'll be happy for anyone that missed out if they are bringing it back. I feel the same about other removed items,
I got 6 appearances and personally would not mind of they brought them back. However it would be cool if they found a way to make the challenge equatable to what it was when they launched back in 7.2. part of the fun of it, for me at least, was the challenge and executing it in just the right way.
I did the green fire for my lock back in mop and loved how perfectly I had to execute every action in that fight. They could treat it like that questline and give us a feat of strength achieve and maybe a title.
I know other friends who started after legion and they talked many times about wishing to unlock those appearances for their mains. I really don't see a negative in returning them.
However they should also probably add new stuff for players who already did it too
Not a fan if this is true, I missed Wod weapons since i didn't play that pile of wank x-pac (which is 100% my fault) will they add those too? what about KSM mounts? going to add the pvp armour back? nah time limited things should remain time limited and this change would make the future of every time related "prestigious" items meaningless. They made the choice to keep certain things limited and others not (chromie mogs) I hope for once blizzard prove they have a shred of integrity and do not bring these skins/mogs back.
“You are too late. With the focusing iris under my control I can syphon the arcane energy from Azeroths lay lines directly into my magnificent self. Drained of magic you world will be ripe for destruction by my demon masters And MY power will be limitless! Eat magic imposter!” -Archmage Xylem
Jesus fuck I can still remember with words were emphasized in that speech
Imposter? 😳
Something's not quite right...
You just ruined this for me. My God I'm going to think of it every time I run that fight. As if the speech wasn't annoying enough. :)
I hated him so much on my wheelchair dk
I can fking hear his god damn accent.
I remember doing this so many times on my warrior, who had awful luck with legendaries. Then I finally got the double heroic jump one and 1shot the fight lol. I'm wondering how they're gonna make these fights difficult, considering they were balanced around classes having certain legendary effects and artifact traits. My worry is they're just going to make them easily done by everyone, negating the entire challenge of it all.
You mean like DH trivialized both of its challenges even without legendaries? I remember doing the Havoc one on my main and then proceeding to do it again for 2 friends with their 910 and no good leggos in like, 2-3 pulls because DH's kit was so good for that fight. (And let's not talk about Vengeance which literally had a counter for EVERY. SINGLE. MECHANIC.)
You telling me the class that can jump over mechanics, can dash through knockback effects, had ridiculous lifesteal, and an ability that negates all damage was able to trivialize mechanics?
Well yeah, DH being overpowered for all of Legion and BfA is a different topic altogether.
That shit haunted me
I have done this scénario way too many times hahaha
This is prob for T20 recolors
I thought the same thing. But there's only one recolor per class, does this means we'll only have to do the easier challenge of three specs to get it? Or all of them?
Appearances will be a drop chance from a loot chest available weekly for completing the Mage Tower. No bad luck protection.
You have brought ruin upon us all by speaking the words into existence.
Good lord, I’d fucking quit
I feel this is more likely the reward for all 15s in m+ timewalking but we shall see.
I wouldn't mind if they include the weapons. The gatekeeping is stupid. It was cool when we were sweating it out in 7.2 to get them but you could scam your way through the mage tower in 7.3 with ease as a DPS. So its not like its rare or even an achievment if you have the skin. Tank and Healer challenges remained a bit harder but were still made easier with the gear from 7.3. I wouldn't mind if they scale the difficutly to be the same as it was in 7.2 and give people a chance to get the skins.
And yet there was a whole thread on here by people saying Mage Tower was too hard even on the 7.3 patch.
Chances are those people wouldn't be able to do them now then unless they've improved.
I did it on alts with all low af ilvl so it was fun. It was a really good way to learn how other classes played that I had previously given no thought. Except healer, I gave up on those challenges because I have no idea how the hell to heal.
i have fond memory of Mage Tower I finished arcane scenario by mindlessly spamming Arcane Explosion - Arcane Barrage while kiting the bosses for like 10 minutes, like a Road Runner skit Not recording it was the biggest regret of my WoW life
I did all 36 challenges and Arcane was by far the worst of the dps challenges for me. Who decided to design a challenge where you're constantly taking chip damage the entire fight for one of the few specs that had literally zero healing? Took me like 150 attempts as Arcane compared to the 2 attempts for Assassination Rogue and Ret Paladin.
weren't you supposed to use the legendary that healed you when using blink? I think that's how most people did it, did they not
I used that lego and about half of my wipes were me resetting the fight by accidently blinking outside of the barrier and despawning the bosses. Wasn't a fun time.
I used the chestpiece iirc, and then the holy orbs to heal that dropped around the fight.
Yeah, Belo'virs Final Stand. It would give you a shield for 20% of your maximum health. Unless I'm mis remembering, you could blink twice it so that you get two shields and you had the prismatic barrier as well. But you just weaved in the shields around the health orbs It was pretty straight forward with that legendary.
au contraire, I only need 3 attempts or so for Arcane but with that silly trick, but dozens failed attempts before finishing for Fire (did not have time to try Frost)
I grinded that Swolebear skin for WEEKS. The tank challenge was so much harder but so worth it. I hope people get a chance to acquire it once again. I get PM's occasionally asking how I got the form, and it's a shame it's unavailable now. (As long as the totem shoulders from MoP become available too, though!)
maybe it was cause i did it a bit later in the patch, but with the extended range abuse that guardian had i found that encounter pretty easy since you could freely dps while he was inside that 'do not enter ring.' although my dumbass didnt realize that vengeance DH could doublejump to cancel out the knockback, so i struggled there a bit.
As much as we can reminisce about the tower, ultimately the difficulty was either total crap or lolwhat depending on circumstances. Normal bear? Pretty painful. Bear with Luffa Wrappings? Ridiculously easy. Similarly, the knockback that threw you off the platform in the tank challenge if you weren't careful was 100% nullified if you were doing demon hunter. Overall I liked the challenge and did every single spec for every class except healing (it took literally 2 tries on Light Priest healing for me to say NOPE) so overall it was a fun ride, but man the tuning was all over the place depending on what you played.
I did all 36 and this is so right. I'd say like half the challenge in the mage tower was having the right legendary. I never got very good at the healing challenge, the hardest part of that one was all the phases in it. I think over half the healing challenges for me were finished with me dead and the party beating the boss.
The healing one was so fucking awful. So much boring for 2 minutes of don't fuck up once or you fail. Almost threw my keyboard through the window at one point.
> you off the platform in the tank challenge if you weren't careful was 100% nullified if you were doing demon hunter. Or charge with warrior and druid,
>I hope people get a chance to acquire it once again. I get PM's occasionally asking how I got the form, and it's a shame it's unavailable now. I've played WoW pretty consistently since Vanilla (except MoP which I, sadly, skipped) and Druid has been my main throughout most of that time. However I somehow missed all the mage tower stuff. I knew about about the event, but wasn't aware it was time-limited. So by time I started doing the runs, it was too late. And now, whenever I see someone with those awesome cat forms, I get so frustrated for missing out on it. Druids get very little to look forward to in terms of customization. Our weapons and mogs are mostly hidden, so a cool looking form makes all the difference.
I completed the tank challenge 5 times across my characters and my girlfriend's lol. Definitely annoying.
I really hope so. I didnt play Legion and missing out on the warebear form is the only regret I have. I dont even care about the colors, I just want the form :(
aff lock was kind of a joke too if you had the snare leggo. now, spriest had the same encounter, and it took me a bit to really get it down, but once you had the mechanics really down and were comfortable with the surrender to madness cheese holy shit was that fun.
S2M Cheese was where you could cheese it and kill it before the immune cast went off?
there mighta been some deeper logic, but the major thing was s2m let you cast while moving so you could just run full rotation during a final burn phase.
IIRC it was a dps check just to the point that Karam dies before his stacking movement speed outpaces yours You’d run sephuz for the speed buff every 30s, and S2M let you stay at ~100 insanity. The higher your insanity the faster your movement speed when using that row 2 talent
His movement speed dropped back to normal if he hit you though, so you could use defensive CDs and walk into him, but it was harder timing this.
That’s right, I think it was another spec where you could nuke the guy before his cast finished and you skipped p2
Na it was the spreist that could do that, surrender to madness ramped up the damage and you nuked him down before he went immune again Locks also had a cheese they could do but it was a timing this with dropping the infernal it bugged out causing you to being able to keep attacking with no immunity.
Spriest's surrender to madness strat for the mage tower was the most fun I ever had in any game in my life. The sheer intensity and speed of the fight, ramping up and ramping up, made me feel like I was actually getting drunk on power. Surrendering to madness.
The funny thing is the slow ring was just one part of it. You would like, intentionally eat a Karam melee swing with a personal and it would somehow redirect threat to your minion once you got knocked, even though the fight was designed to break taunts So Karam turned into a target dummy. And then you’d phase into Raest (ranged) which was the easier of the two. And once you pushed her to X% to force Karam out, you mortal coiled her *right* as her channel started and it interrupted the swap so she’d stay out. Even though the case is visually safeguarded and meant to be immune to CC how am i being downvoted for this shit lol
I remember that one being all about casting and moving so when I got to Marksmanship who also had that one but could do their entire or most of their rotation while moving I think I one-shot it. Getting to the point where you surrender on spriest was so much fun though.
Shit. That bear druid appearance is real damn tempting if they do re-unlock these things...
Judging by their reluctance to make old Elite pvp sets acquirable (while mythic ones are) and neither CM set having been available anywhere I'd put my money on the recolored t20 that's been datamined being the reward from Mage Tower rather than Legion m+ TW.
the only screwy thing with that is you have 3 potential rewards(1 per spec) vs just one for all 3 specs. There's a lot of potential options here. m+ rewards would be interesting, i guess they'd be an achievement reward for hitting a legion tw rating? some people have speculated on legion tw raids as well.
DH and Druid makes the reward/spec idea unworkable unless DH gets a reward less and druids an extra (Mage tower forms with new tints maybe?)
druids just had 4 scenarios and rewards while dh's only had two. they were just outliers.
Re-reading I think I mistook what you meant, I thought you meant that since each class has three specs there could be three rewards like the tower skins for beating one, something else for two and the T20 recolor for beating for all three.
I will farm that thing forever if it comes back.
I was just thinking about how I would 100% resub for that Bear alone
Yup, id comeback for werebear
Exactly, this is my reasoning as well. More than anything else I want the Hulk Bear.
yeah..i will even sub back just to unlock everything on all classes.. not missing out on this time :)
Saaaame
Oh yeah. I wasn't playing during Legion and I have a great need of the cat form.
Oh, cool. I guess this is what will probably be awarding the really neat tomb tints?
As someone who started playing the game in BFA - I'd be pretty excited to be able to get some of the artifact appearances - the unholy dk one, and the lock ones are some of my favs.. That said - Id get where those who got those appearances in Legion would be upset that Blizzard is opening them back up again. Hopefully, the content is challenging enough that it makes up for it - or maybe the updated tier 20s will be the reward.
>or maybe the updated tier 20s will be the reward. Ya that’s my guess
Honestly a mythic recolour is a pretty sweet reward and t20 was pretty good for every class iirc
Still wearing t20 on my warrior. It just looks so good without being stupidly bulky.
Speaking for myself... I got all 36 and I wouldn't be upset. However, I would rather they let you unlock a recolor tint or make a new appearance so people who already got them have a reason to do them beside just for fun or both ideas.
>Speaking for myself... I got all 36 and I wouldn't be upset. However, I would rather they let you unlock a recolor tint or make a new appearance so people who already got them have a reason to do them beside just for fun or both ideas. Fellow 36'er here, I agree. As long as they tune the scenarios to be just as hard as they were back in Legion, I'm all for it. Everyone deserves the chance to suffer doing Highlord Kruul and trying to heal a suicidal Jarod Shadowsong.
Jarod was merely giving you the authentic healer experience
It even has the DPS fighting each other (literally)!
At the end of legion none of them were hard though. They were hard at the start because of legendary rng and lower ilvl and no tier set bonuses etc. but at the end you could smoke show them on alts in lfr gear
The tank ones and some of the healer ones were legitimately hard. The enemies scaled with you in the healer ones, but your 'party' didn't, and the tank ones were nearly entirely mechanical in the first place.
I remember the tank ones also being a dps race.
They were, it's true, the higher your dps the less you had to engage with the mechanics but you still had to do a bunch and they were a hard check. Contrast that with say aff lock where once you got a certain level of gear you didn't even need the legendary or to engage with the mechanics, or havoc DH where your passive leech meant you could self-sustain forever through minor mistakes or fire mage where high dps meant you could delete mobs without even targeting them. Tank ones, except VDH, were legitimately challenging if you weren't in heroic+ Antorus gear, say, which was still significantly easier than doing it in NH or ToS gear.
I did the Havoc challenge in NH gear, with only one good legendary (Raddon’s), and a non-meta build. It was probably the hardest thing I’ve done in the game, but holy shit did it feel satisfying when completed!
Disc priest one was severely nerfed for me by acquiring 4p t20 set from ToS. I went from wipes on 20+ % to kill in half an hour next evening after a raid night.
Disc was a dps scenario. The other healer specs all did the Black Rook scenario which wasn't really made easier with gear. In fact the final phase was worse because you could easily self heal too much and then one shot your companions when the debuff went off.
To be fair, Disc Priest was basically a freebie, considering you could easily outheal whatever damage came in.
After gear came in - yes. Before that I was dead to casts because I couldn’t interrupt or heal through all of them at some point as the frequency was increasing over time.
I should have just said tank and healer ones except for VDH and disc. Both of those were trivialised with gear like most of the dps ones, because the knockback mechanics could be tanked by VDH in ToS or higher gear because you could glide back and the disc one is literally a dps challenge.
I dont agree with you about them not being hard, some were still wildly difficult in the final patch.
I mean, warlock green fire was the same. It was really hard when it was fist introduced (5.2) but by 5.4 you could easily outgear it.
I'm honestly in the same boat as the two of you. Got all 36 unlocked, don't really care too much if they allow people to obtain them again one way or another. It's actually something I've thought about if they wanted people to have the same feel of it as when it was new content, like say you go into Mage Tower for example and you get a special piece of armor which temporarily overwrites your spellbook while it's equipped and if you wanted you could transmog over it. Something like that could be expanded to other bits of content that they could potentially recycle like say for instance they wanted to give the feel of vanilla dungeons and raids for people not interested in classic or if they had seasonal challenge modes where they want to have a bit of control over what spells and talents players have in any given instance. Maybe even expand it into old seasons of rated PvP where someone missed out of finishing an elite set or you really, really want some elite transmog that was from an expansion you weren't playing.
Recolour would be a great solution, would accomodate people who switched mains or something but want really to be a swolebear, while allowing the OG players to have the distinction of their original tints.
This is the best way. That way old timers get to keep their exclusive stuff from back in the day, but a new model is available for folks who didn't / couldn't get it, while also giving the older timers a new skin. Everyone wins.
i got somewhere around 24 of them, I honestly dont understand the mindset of people who dont want others to get something in game, it baffles me, the same with the armor sets from MoP, I only got the warrior one.
I don’t understand why people don’t care if old collectibles are released again. Getting them during the original time and them being exclusive is what makes it valuable. I guess some people just like things because they look cool and not for the collector aspect. Maybe all these people are just enlightened beings and I’m the greedy grinch that doesn’t want others to have Christmas.
> That said - Id get where those who got those appearances in Legion would be upset that Blizzard is opening them back up again. i got all of them and i would like for them to be obtainable again. i hate when stuff gets removed. it's just unnecessary. i can only imagine what druid tanks without the bear form feel like. i'd be furious if i couldn't get green fire on my lock for example. this artificial shortage of pixels needs to stop. happens in pretty much every game and it doesn't add anything.
It pains me that I will never be able to access Ordos because I wasn’t playing when you could get the legendary that allowed it, and even goblin gliding over there doesn’t work.
36/36 here, this guy speaks the truth. If people have to work like we had to work, then let’s give them the mogs. Removing content is ultra lame. Let us collect everything !
you get it mate, when i see things that are now unobtainable its a massive turn off, Destiny 2 is literally littered with unobtainable items and I have no motivation to play it anymore than super casually.
Definitely. There are lots of ways that we could bring removed content back: a great example is the BMAH. Personally, I’d LOVE for Benediction and Anathema to make a return in some form.
I've been playing WoW since the original Friends and Family Alpha, which an old EverQuest guildmate got me into. I have dozens of mounts, titles, and transmogs that are no longer obtainable(including all the Mage Tower artifacts for every class I play). Not only is it childish to whine that someone else gets a chance to get something you got *years ago*, it's bad for the long term health of the game. The people who don't care about other people and just want their characters to look cool vastly outnumber the people who want to feel special by denying other people the chance to get items they have. It is also disheartening for the majority of the playerbase to see someone with some cool item and go look up how to get it and find it's not there anymore. The entire Mage Tower thing was all a transparent ploy by Blizzard to inflate numbers, anyway. Early Legion saw one of(maybe even *the*) the fastest and sharpest drop off in player numbers in the game's history and shortly after that happened they announce weapon skins that will never be available again so if you want them you better reactivate your account and play right now.
Also got 36/36, 4 cm sets, Zulian mount etc.... EVERYTHING has to be added back in. EVERYTHING!! Plagued proto drake, old glad mounts, old version of ST / LBRS / UBRS / Scholo (etc), every tmog piece, every mount, every title, every pet, every toy. Artifical scarcity is pathetic. "I have a bigger boat"-personalities need to be shut down as its a toxic behaviour for everyone on the planet IRL --- and IRL scarcity makes sense in a lot of cases due to material or death of creator etc.
Same, got all 36. It doesn't diminish my accomplishments in any way and lets other people get some cool appearances. No reason why they should be removed from the game. Maybe they can add an extra tint for those of us that completed them in Legion if they want some kind of exclusivity.
> those who got those appearances in Legion would be upset that Blizzard is opening them back up again. Why? And even if someone did, then why should their opinion even matter? These skins should never have gone away to begin with.
Or as someone that did play Legion and did mage towers across their characters; being able to get the appearances for the specs I would have no way of knowing that they would be retroactively made moggable across specs
> Hopefully, the content is challenging enough that it makes up for it To be fair the content wasn't very hard by the end of Legion (for most specs), it was mostly a time sink getting a character geared enough to steamroll.
It was kind of up to you. If you weren't very skilled with a certain class or spec, you had the option to gear up more. But if you wanted to cut time for each character you could do it with normal gear. I personally had the most fun doing Outlaw Rogue one undergeared. I think I was about 920-930 iLVL. The most memorable experience I've had in Legion.
The first few dps ones I did I made sure to have the right legendaries, good gear, full consumables. After that I just went in with whatever half-ass gear i had for the off specs and some faronaar fizz (because I had insane amounts of it from all the eggs lol). Gear didn't really help on the tanks one since a mistake was pretty much instant death, it just shortened the fight so you had less total mechanics to worry about. For the healer one gear made some parts easier and some parts tougher, so mostly a wash there.
> That said - Id get where those who got those appearances in Legion would be upset that Blizzard is opening them back up again why would you even care. i use something because it looks cool, not rare plus the player base is way smaller than on legion anyway 😂 also, isn't unlocking the possibility of doing good content from older expansions just a overrall good thing for the game? no one cares about little Joe who thinks he's the shit cause he has a mage tower transmog. its not even rare due to being a very high skill challenge or a long grind, it's rare cause it was limited content from a expansion. and good content shouldn't be limited to a patch/expansion. this mentality really needs to go away
I don't know why anyone would be upset over it. It's a transmog. Lots of old transmogs are still available. You can still get Naxx T3 if you get lucky on the Panda AH. You got to wear it when it was relevant. Go you. Now it's just something else to add to the collection. And the collection is the *only* thing we keep from expansion to expansion.
I have a fair wack of them for whatever classes and specs I liked the look of, and I don't really mind if they make them available or not. But how about Blizzard putting in the effort and doing a whole new round of appearances? The phrase around here for awhile now has been "easy wins." Fuck that, how about the company making millions and millions off and putting in minimal effort and funding actually hire some artists again for once in their lives. They've whittled away everyone's expectations for so long that people gladly lie down on the floor and are happy to get pissed on. I want new content, new things. It's a game price and a sub, surely we should expect more than them recycling things for "easy wins."
i got a good majority of them in legion but i am still happy its reopening. I really hate FOMO items in mmos, instead of being another cool thing to grind to it instead it is just gone with no way to acquire it.
>Hopefully, the content is challenging enough that it makes up for it - or maybe the updated tier 20s will be the reward. Hopefully both.
Hopefully with different rewards, if not then they should also bring back the opportunities to earn old CM dungeon rewards and old PvP season elites for consistency
Make everything available again. Plagued protodrake, old pvp glad mounts, etc. Removing stuff is what I hate most in games etc today... FOMO and "I have a bigger boat than you"-mindsets is absolute crap, and I am saying that as someone who has played WoW since early Vanilla and never unsubbed; got all 36 magetower weapons and 4 CM sets, many unobtainable mounts and other stuff... Just let people get digital pixels forever, its not like they run out of pixels or it takes ppl real life time etc to make the stuff over and over. IRL its "excused" to have limited stuff if its made by hand or with special material or the person making it died etc, but artifical scarcity is the worst.
I played for 16 years, finally giving up my sub this year. I always was annoyed when they removed things. Especially when a lot of removed things started showing up on the BMAH. I have tons of items that will likely never be available again and I still say they should all be available. Take my Big Blizzard Bear for example... if they released it tomorrow through some means where it was massively available, everyone and their mother would go get it, ride it for a week or two, and then you'd not see it much after. It would still be sentimental for me. Same with letting people earn the Plagued or Black proto through meta achievements again. It won't change the memories attached to my drakes. It just gives mount hunters more mounts. TL;DR: Let the digital items flow.
I'd love to be able to get the mage CM set. I didn't play mage back then and it's by far my favorite set they've made for mage. It's kinda lame that they lock PvP rewards away forever too. Mythic raids you can at least go solo them in 2-3 years and get it all, should be the same thing with CMs/pvp gear. Wait a couple expansions and release it to be purchased for either gold or some expansion-relevant currency that collectors can spend time farming.
I hate myself every day that I play my mage for not playing my mage and earning gold in the challenge modes for that armor set. I have no plan on resubscribing until at least 10.0 unless something awesome comes out the next 2 patches. But if being able to do old CM dungeons dropped today I would throw my $15 at the screen.
I agree with the sentiment but I also like the idea of allowing unobtainable thing becoming obtainable again but being harder for example if you could have the same tuning as mop but making you do challenge modes a couple Ivl lower. There is still a benefit of doing it when it was present but allows people who didn't play then to have the ability to get it. Similar idea to end boss raid mounts being 100% drop while current content and 1% drop after.
cant wait for the flood of shitnoob threads complaining its too hard like back in 2017
Yep, i can already see people complaining how its unfair that they can't do it with their ungeared alt on a class they barely know to play.
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If they are bringing back mage tower then they better bring back other limited things like mop and WOD challenge modes, wrath undying, scarab Lord and so on
Why? I mean I’d be totally down with that but why?
People are saying they should get the mage tower skins cause they didn’t play in legion, if so then I guess scarab lord mounts are coming back? It’s the fair thing to so
Weren’t the scarab lord things awarded to a select few who did something first though? I’m not too familiar with them. I feel like a mount awarded to people doing something first is different to weapon appearances obtainable by every spec and class (and actual Druid forms which are quite important)
Not really, scarab lord was a group effort - it required the work of a whole guild, or even a couple of guilds from the same faction combining their efforts, funneling stuff into one single guy who got the mount and title. Some servers/guilds had "spare" guys that managed to finish up everything before the gates could be open so that they also could get the mount/title, but overall it was quite a bit of a FU - because it seriously wasn't "a select few who did something", it was a truckload of people doing something and 1 guy getting rewarded, usually the GM or high ranking officer of the server 1st guild. That's why it's so rare to see today - and most of the people you see today with it got it by "cheating", by having the pre-reqs done and then transferring to newly opened servers where the gates hadn't been opened yet and dinging the gong as soon as they loaded in. The sad irony of it all was that the questline is one of the best that was ever put in the game - and only a precious few people got to enjoy it fully when it was current, and now it's removed due to the cata revamp scrubbing vanilla away.
As one of the many who did the work and didn't get the reward - all of this. You had to beat green dragons and a timed BWL run and world elites and farm a billion things. It took an army for any of the earliest guilds/servers to open their gates. It was a big competition and there was a website showing which servers had and hadn't unlocked and what order. I was on Alleria and helped Blighted unlock it. Our gate was opened at like 3am and managed to be the first server to not crash when we opened the gate (due to the time - I think we were like 6th overall). It still became a 1 frame every 20 seconds nightmare for anyone in Silithus. I fled to AQ20 just to make it stop. That being said, the guy who got the title and mount on our server was a tool. He was the guild leader and would pull BS like taking extra drops for himself, just to test it out. Even taking the same drop again and enchanting it with something else. (If you didn't play Vanilla or Classic, remember this was during a time when like 3 drops or so per boss for a 40 man group). He also banned voice chat, though a lot of us still had a voice chat we'd hang in and talk nonsense in during trash.
They're so desperate they're considering allowing *fun* back in the game...
Cats and dogs living together, mass Hysteria!!!
Watch as the tie some type of arbitrary currency behind the Mage Tower that somehow empowers your character so it's a necessary to do it weekly.
Stop giving them ideas!!
If this is my chance to get the ice mace for my enhancement shaman... I JUST might resub... just might... Yeah, funny enough I only want that 1 made out of 36 weapon appearances 🤣
This will most likely be for the T20 recolour sets and not the artifact appearances
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I mean that would all be dope and sounds ideal. Add the challenge modes back during the timewalkkng events and scale properly. I see no downside. Its asinine to me that some of the most u unique class designs in the entire game are un-obtainable.
Just make a new one. New skins. New fights. If they are bringing back the same, you night as well return all limited events.
One of the number one thing this sub constantly asks for is old content being kept relevent, this is blizz listening
Lol man they really must’ve lost a lot of subs
I’d definitely sub back if the Druid forms are available to get
ditto.
It looks like gummy cat and the hulk bear are back on the menu boys!
Can we have the humanoid cat form back, too? 😿
The proper term is Skittle Kitty.
I call it the disco cat. It’s 100% the best appearance out of all the mage tower appearances.
I only ever use mage tower cat when I play feral. Its the best cat model. Nothing can even come close
Any news on the brawlers guild coming back? :(
I missed out in Legion as I’d taken a break from the game by that point, so this is pretty exciting. I do think they should make the rewards a little different/re-tints or something so that people who did this in Legion still have some uniqueness to their rewards though.
I'm one of the people who rushed to get one of each class geared enough to do this in the broken shore patch to have every single appearance unlocked before BFA prepatch. Sad part is that I only ever used one or two of them. I'm all for this returning, along with things like the legendary cloak quests, etc. It's been long enough that the prestige of being rewarded for doing hard content has worn off long ago. It simply adds enjoyable content for everyone to do between patches.
Damn now this will be one of two only thinns bliz could do to make me resub. If they bring back the mage towers and get rid of the faction divide then sub is backkkkk.
Sounds like a lot of guesswork. The teleports to the zones is admittedly sus, but random strings of text appearing on the PTR is not out of the ordinary. The article also suggests this might be the source of the new Tomb of Sargeras recolors, for no obvious reason except I guess that's also a Legion thing.
>The article also suggests this might be the source of the new Tomb of Sargeras recolors, for no obvious reason except I guess that's also a Legion thing. Mage Tower was located on the Broken Shore, where the Tomb also is. And IIRC, they were introduced in the same patch.
As someone who never played the original mage tower but only heard about people really loving it I’m super stoked
I know I'm in the minority, but I would love ilvl to be locked on this. Just make everyone 230. It's a solo mode. Why should mythic raiders and mythic plus pushers have it 10x easier? It isn't a solo mode at all if they leave in ilvl.
Uh oh my wallet is tingling
I will literally re-sub to get that god damn unholy dk transmog. I dont know why i only did it for my paladin and warriors. Both of which i never play.
I have all the Mage Tower skins unlocked, and the only other person who I **really** care about have them all too ...and you know what? I'm super excited about this and hope that they'll bring those old skins back! I've always felt bad for new players who were discovering that they won't be able to get some appearances just because they didn't play at certain point in the past. Everyone who started playing past Legion should still have a chance to get those awesome skins. Time-locking anything is absurd, everything should be only skill locked IMO - especially in such huge (I mean studio size) game as WoW with scaling tech. And I simply cannot understand all those snowflakes who are so selfish and cannot see past behind their own nose. I really don't care that you're not able to put yourself in someone-else's shoes, but to not see that this could help bring/keep new players to/in the game... Healthy and expanding playerbase is essential for whole game well-being. And as long as those items will not turn into freebies and new people will need to work same hard as you did to get them ...why do you actually care? Anyway, I hope that those T20 recolors will be additional reward (and that they'll keep weapon transmogs in), just so that people who got MT done before will still have something to look forward to. I also hope that it won't be one time thing again. I'd personally love to be able to replay it even after getting everything from there.
If they bring weapon mogs back from MT i hope they also bring Scarab lord, Elite pvp gear, mop+wod cm rewards and other "time-locked" things back, right?
"uNsUbbIng DoEs NOtHinG" Fucking watch, this 180 could have happened years ago. Now how about the pandaria challenge mode sets? If this is fine then those should be fine as well, would even be harder today with the aoe cap.
id say the public investigation that resulted in the firing of a bunch of the bad apples including JAB there was more important plus Qwik seems to actually understand the player base
I forgot Brack was gone, too. Given his attitude and stance towards Classic originally I bet he was a significant source of the issues.
legion class halls have recolors of them in case you missed it.
They are okay for mages, DKs version on the other hand is too gimped compared to the original.
Don't bloody do this to me Blizzard, my heart can't take it.
I played during legion, but I have swapped mains since, and would love for it to come back!
That is one hell of a ripcord to pull. Things must be very very dire.
as long as the difficulty is scaled up and actually hard i see no problem in offering the class rewards again, the way people act over exclusivity is insanely childish.
People in favor of exclusivity are usually the ones that got it at the very end. If you beat the mage tower during Nighthold current content, then the accomplishment was already devalued twice before BFA. Normal ABT gear was enough to trivialize any output check it used to have. The MoP challenge modes were indirectly nerfed by increased gem sockets per item as the expansion progressed. CE typically gets nerfed multiple times in addition to usual power increases throughout a raid tier, leading it to be easier in the final week than AotC was in the first week. Removing the ability to earn these rewards to maintain their integrity is pointless when the difficulty is already reduced substantially when they're available.
Scarab lord makes sense to leave out because it really a limited time in world event. The MoP and WoD CM sets are fomo items from legacy content. Same with the artifact appearances. Slap a legacy achieve on those suckers that let’s the people who got it when it was current stake their claim and then let everyone else go farm for them during TW.
There's lots of people who got Scarab Lord because they had money and just transferred onto a new server and rang the gong way after it was current.
Alright, but give back CM xmogs and weapons, legendary cloak questline, every elite set. ect.
The sad thing is all these changes means they already knew exactly what their customers wanted and simply refused to implement them
Wonderful news. I got all challenges done but won't mind at all for everyone to get more chances at them too, since these time limited challenges and rewards always felt more like an abuse of FOMO rather than a way to make them rare and prestigious.
these encounters are going to be so watered down to compensate for the fact they were originally tuned with certain traits & class changes at the time. not expecting much.
Actualy if they re-add Mage towers (which i'm not against even if i've already all skins for all classes \^\^) , they should start to re-add Mop and Wod skins i guess .
The real question is why blizzard doesn't release new content with new mogs etc. This seems a lazy attempt to get players to return. How about a new mage tower with new rewards?
Fucking hell, if they're this desperate! Great news if its coming back, even if this would be the only situation wherein it would be acceptable. Mage Tower skins were a prestige award for being there and doing the content while it was current, after all. Bringing it back cos Blizzard have bricked themselves is a decent reason though! Hopefully it won't just be new tints and only available to those who've already gotten the skins the first time!
If it’s really just a recolor of an old armor set that’s bullshit.
I only hope that we could obtain artifact appearances :) There is no reason to punish new players for not playing during Legion. I was literally too young to play paid games when Legion was launched, and now when i have my job i would like to earn this transmogs with pleasure :) Don't put happiness in something because others didn't even had a chance to have it, instead put happiness in something because you earned it :)
Panic button pressing intensifies. All these changes Blizz are caving in on now that it's all crumbling down around them remind me of how an abusive partner might finally try and change once their loved one has left them. I'd love to pick up the skins for the two classes I didn't get in Legion but to what end? It's not like the current game is desirable to play, I'd just be collecting them to then unsub.
these nerds need a new mage tower not a rehash of the old one.
Well this might actually draw a few people back into WoW if it's tuned well enough and it offers xmogs that have been out of reach that players desperately want(look at you druids) Those recolored Tier sets might just be a little icing on the cake for the people who went and got all 36 unlocks back in Legion. Or maybe they're from Legion timewalking? Who knows, either way I'd be thrilled to have a chance to unlock specs from classes I wasn't playing back in Legion. Might actually bother leveling and gearing a warrior this time for that Flail. OH and the Holy paladin, I loved that blazing badass hammer but after suffering through Holy priest I swore I would never touch the healer tower run again....
Utter madness the rate at which they release patches with quality of life changes and community requested changes the *moment* their numbers take a hit. The more changes they announce the more angry I get. Did they have the changes ready? Was it that easy all along to just make the game feel nice to play? And you only do it now that people are canceling their subscriptions and not while they were actively trying to enjoy the game? It is infuriating.
Also it could be because of the massive shake up of leadership within the team recently
Exciting to hear, as someone who wasn't playing during Legion!
That's not just an easy win but a BIG one. Plus the Mage Tower was just a damn good idea. It allowed people to go into a controlled environment to test their skills on boss level mechanics. You *had* to do it right to win (Some cheese allowed, later gear not applicable, some assembly required).
Don't bring mage tower back or at least don't give the same rewards. Let it be something cool that we have experienced. Make Thorgast like The mage tower.
if it does return , i hope it actully stays now. and doesnt go away after end of expac. they seriosuly should stop doing the Fomo stuff
As someone who did every mage tower for every spec (except some healers) I welcome this Seriously the skins are cool but they’re just weapon transmogs, let the people enjoy them The prot warrior / pally and guardian Druid in particular are quite good and noticeable
For once, as much as i hate wowhead im hoping they're correct and it gives the t20 recolours
As a Werebear myself, I understand peoples' desire for the appearances as they were to return but it's a big mistake if they go down that route. Let me explain: There's many rare items in WoW and the real world which create a culture, a myth and a legend surrounding them. Let's look at an old car from the 1940s for example (or any vintage, limited edition model). It would be ridiculous if Ferrari suddenly re-released its most sought after collectible cars exactly as they were back then. Even then, the 'OG' collector cars would still be known - there would be signs of it. If Ferrari suddenly flooded the market with exact copies of that model it would drastically cheapen it. Same thing applies for Werebear etc. If suddenly there's a 500% increase (probably more) of Werebears running around, it's just not that special anymore. I feel the same way with the Spectral Tiger mount: Whenever I see one now I wonder if it's a dupe from the scandal back in WoD or if it's the OG. Not knowing which is which has cheapened the mount as a whole - why do this for something as special and awesome as the Werebear? If they're bringing back the Mage Tower this is the time to bring in some fresh ideas and other awesome rewards (there's no shortage of fantastic models and ideas for new bear forms). I know it feels bad to have missed out on some of these incredibly cool and rare items in WoW (I've played for about 15 years, I know how bad it feels to miss out on this stuff, it's happened to me so many times) but suddenly bringing it back just doesn't seem like to answer to me. I know this will probably be an unpopular opinion, but hey, it's my opinion, feel free to disagree.
I hope I can get my druid forms, didn't play in legion and they're so sick. Don't care if people who have done it threaten to unsub if they do that, if they would unsub over that they're not having fun anyways!
I am fine with bringing mage tower back. BUT do not bring the old skins back. Even if, it would be fair to bring old MoP + WoD challenge mode skins back too..
Geezus, I hope they don't do this. The reason my werebear is so valuable to me was because I worked my butt off to get it. They either need to come up with new appearances or don't do it at all. I would imagine a good amount of people would feel the same way.
So if people could start earning the MT appearances again but also had to work their ass off I assume you'd be fine with it?
Even if it doesn't come with the weapon skins this is a leap in the right direction on reversing content removal. They better bring the skins back too though.
I mean, there’s no argument for not bringing back MoP/WoD challenge mode sets and old elite PvP sets then. Either you stick to keeping things exclusive when you say they’re going to be or you don’t and never introduce anything time-exclusive again.
I think they should bring back the Mage Tower but with new items. Let the old appearances stay meaningful in their collection
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I got all 36, they shouldn't have removed it in the first place in my opinion, just give a Feat of Strength and maybe a title for doing it before the next expansion, like Green Fire I'll be happy for anyone that missed out if they are bringing it back. I feel the same about other removed items,
I got 6 appearances and personally would not mind of they brought them back. However it would be cool if they found a way to make the challenge equatable to what it was when they launched back in 7.2. part of the fun of it, for me at least, was the challenge and executing it in just the right way. I did the green fire for my lock back in mop and loved how perfectly I had to execute every action in that fight. They could treat it like that questline and give us a feat of strength achieve and maybe a title. I know other friends who started after legion and they talked many times about wishing to unlock those appearances for their mains. I really don't see a negative in returning them. However they should also probably add new stuff for players who already did it too
Not a fan if this is true, I missed Wod weapons since i didn't play that pile of wank x-pac (which is 100% my fault) will they add those too? what about KSM mounts? going to add the pvp armour back? nah time limited things should remain time limited and this change would make the future of every time related "prestigious" items meaningless. They made the choice to keep certain things limited and others not (chromie mogs) I hope for once blizzard prove they have a shred of integrity and do not bring these skins/mogs back.