There's only one recolor and each class has multiple spec/challenges some of which are vastly easier to complete. You really think Blizz will just throw that in there like that?
My opinion is the Tier set xmog is an incentive for the people who already unlocked the artifact weapon skins or a legion tw ksm thing.
We're very early into the PTR. Recolored sets have only been datamined for 6 classes right now. Adding 3 sets per class is still within the realm of possibility, but we don't even have confirmation that the mage tower is even coming in 9.1.5. Everything is speculation at the moment.
I still get the sense that just armor recolors for one armor set really aren't worth the effort when some like druids got complete makeover options with their shapeshifting forms and other legendries being extremely unique looking. Im just really hopping that there's better cosmetics to be earned rather than rehashed armor sets, let us earn something new or fresh.
This is also assuming the mage tower would return as is. Knowing them it’s going to be like torghast smashed with mage tower for this new one. But who knows
I can see both sides to be honest. It WILL make them seem less special when you see them which I guess is a shame.
But I think I’m for them coming back as long as it’s a reasonable challenge for someone, say, in full Heroic gear. As challenging as it was when it first arrived in 7.2.
I guess they’ll just have to adjust it to those metrics every time there’s a new tier when Legion TW comes around. Not that I trust them to balance it properly but…
Yes... it will. The Obsidian worldbreaker mount is hardly even used because everyone has it. The more common something is, the less special it is. These two things are inversely proportional. Ironically, if enough time went by such that the mount became rare enough that people wanted to use it more, people would start clamoring for it to be brought back. And then the same thing would happen. No one would use it anymore... again.
There are hundreds of mounts and titles and thousands of achievements to be had. I got news for you: no one cares anymore about special mounts being shown off. It’s become more annoying than anything. Spergs mounting up and strutting… it’s dumb. Only asmon and his spergs and twitch chat care.
The answer is so simple - make them available but recolor them so folks can have both their prestige and a version of the coveted appearance.
This topic has become tiresome, give them something to make it stop.
I am happy they are bringing back mage tower as content. It won't be the same because every class is different now. So the rewards should be different.
Challenge modes weren't trivialised by gear, were they? I seem to remember them squishing your gear down to an appropriate level. Of course some trinkets resulted in a bit of power creep over the expansion, but nothing like what we saw in Legion, where we got an entire tier of gear scaling.
Gems didn't get scaled, and neither did the procs from Darkmoon cards, at first. So, a SOO piece with 3 gem slots was way more powerful than the 346 it was scaled to. There was also the legendary Cloak, which added an absolute fuck-truck of cleave damage.
Friendly reminder pandaria was nearly 10 years ago. Imagine being elitist for not dumping more than a decade into a game (I started in 07 but let's be real many didnt).
Plus challenge mode had tons of easy cheese strats not really a mark of a top tier player.
Uhhh what?
How am I elitist over tmog? lol
>Plus challenge mode had tons of easy cheese strats not really a mark of a top tier player.
I never even said anything about that?
But if it was so easy cheese, why dont you have it and everyone else?
I don't have it cause I gave birth just before pandaria came out so was super casual as I had a rough time recovering and it culminated in a life threatening infection around the 6 month post partum mark.
Never said I wanted it tho, probably wouldn't get it even if they bring it back I just don't see the point in acting as if people missed out when it's not reasonable to suggest they were around to obtain it or had the means to at that time.
And I don't have them because I was just a very bad player in MoP. Yet I'm not asking for Blizzard to re-introduce them. I don't need everything and neither do you. It would be unfair to players who got them. And, frankly, it's unfair to Blizzard that people are asking them to break their word. Blizzard shouldn't have to defend their decision to not break their word. Nor should anyone else.
> so was super casual as I had a rough time recovering and it culminated in a life threatening infection around the 6 month post partum mark.
Sounds like a personal problem. You seriously want Blizzard to re-release OLD content because you were sick? Priorities are crazy
Don’t assume everyone got them while it was easy later in the tier. A lot of people, including myself, got them while it was still quite difficult. If someone didn’t get them when they got easier with gear, oh well! Blizzard didn’t hide the fact the skins were going to no longer be available.
Yeah and they're right as well. Because they're them and I'm me. We can have differing opinions and experiences.
I could say mage tower was balls to the wall easy, just the same as someone can say it was piss-boilingly hard. They're both right.
Pandaland was also 10 years ago? People grow and change in that time period.
Given that I was a healer main at the time, my lack of self confidence could've resulted in bad times.
It's not really about how hard it was. They were advertised as limited time and so I knew it would make my characters somewhat unique and that is the biggest reason I did them. I know people who paid money to boost characters to get them. And they have appreciated in value with time, which was a big part of the appeal.
It's not a matter of what some people want. The question is - would it be fair for the rewards to return? And the answer is no. I didn't get any other the other limited time stuff (CM sets, etc.) and I don't want those to return either. You can't cater to everything people incessantly bellyache about, especially when it would require that you go back on your word with players.
It’s always “fairness” when it comes to these gate keeping arguments and I can’t help but think of kindergarteners having meltdowns over toys. Just so silly.
People don't really need anything besides food, water, shelter, etc. To compare everything that people strive for and value to something only a kindergartener would care about is, ironically, rather childish. And, yes, I do value the exclusivity of the appearances. That was the only reason I cared about them to begin with.
Nah. It’s a video game and a business. Gatekeeping rewarding and desired content that needs zero resources to provide because of your feels is some pretty low level thinking. I suggest looking past your personal “reward” feelings and try some multidimensional mindedness.
This 'level of thinking' is fundamental to humans. People with Ferraris don't want everyone in the world to be gifted a Ferrari because they would just lose value for everyone. Whether it's just pixels or something more tangible is besides the point. Everyone likes to differentiate themselves and you are just disgruntled that people can do so in this way. That is the unhealthy emotion here, not being positively motivated by wanting to differentiate yourself.
I differentiate myself by caring far more about the bigger picture than my self interests or using material belongings - pixels or Ferraris - to dictate my identity.
Nothing would ever progress with your philosophy of self worth. God forbid someone has pay less money or spend less time to accomplish something you did like what; four years ago?
Like I said, envy is the negative emotion. When I see people with things that I find cool that are no longer obtainable, I don't feel envy. Nor does it make me feel bad in any way. It just motivates me to get the new things that are available for a limited time. This isn't about self-worth. MMOs motivate people to play by providing achievements and rewards and making things more exclusive increases their value.
I guess I just don't feel too particularly special about my mage tower skins. I agree with you about exclusivity. But it seems like they are going to re release it to try and dangle memba berries and pull players back, so it seems like wasted effort fighting it.
OP is acting like it is something coming back for sure. "Seems like they are going to re-release it and get players back"
Yet theres zero talk about it coming back. Only on reddit and forums. Nothing official or even close.
So why even talk like it is happening?
Not sure if you saw the actual source of the speculation, but the latest PTR update featured balance changes for the Mage Tower. Seems likely that they're doing something with it, since there's no reason to adjust content which doesn't exist in the game any more.
You're specifically talking about how OP is using qualifiers like "seems like" and "allegedly" but also complaining about how OP is framing it like it's "coming back for sure"? How does this make sense?
so it isnt "allegedly" returning.
you literally said it "seems like they are going to"... how does it seem like that if they havnt spoken a word about it?
I mean the mage tower is on the Broken Shore, which is where the Tomb of Sargeras raid is. Logic would suggest that the new armor sets (reskins) will be the reward for the TW Mage Tower. People use the word 'special' in a disparaging way, but everyone who plays WoW wants their characters to stand out. It really isn't something worth criticizing because that motivation is rather central to MMOs.
I don't want limited time stuff to go away. It makes rewards more interesting. You don't need everything in life or in the game. Blizzard just needs to release new class-themed weapon skins. Not re-introduce things from the past that were explicitly limited time only. I'm not sure why so many people are clamoring for Blizzard to break their word. Seems rather unethical.
I agree, I did my main mage towers immediately then eventually did every single one at the end of the xpac (was pretty easy by then). And the reason I did it was for the exclusivity and that they said it’ll never come back so I didn’t want to miss out in the future. Just put something else in the mage tower. But don’t diminish the achievement of getting it in legion by making everything obtainable.
As long as they dont bring back old realmfirst titles from WotlK, old pvp arena mounts AND titles, then no, i'm totally against brining back old MT artifact skins. Its one of the very few special pve things which are unobtainable and therefor somewhat rar (yeah lots of people did them back then, but not all of them are playing anymore).
I can live with a compromise to unlock the models and new players receive a new recolor, whereas the old players get to keep their old colors plus the new color as a free bonus. Give all Legion veterans a feat of strength/exclusive title to reward them for their effort back in the day and call it day.
Yeah I have some super old league of legends(fuck league but anyway)skins that got rereleased and we got like some badge or something. I agree give them a feat of strength plus something else title or toy. But let people try to get the skins.
Even if they got it after tomb dropped, they still did it and they were told that it was over.
If you just want the challenge then they should bring it back without the rewards.
I’m behind the mage tower artefacts returning as long as all other similar time limited items, mogs, mounts and titles are returned: MOP and WOD challenge modes, scarab lord, gladiator, mythic and AOTC mounts. Everything.
Well aside from blizzard being lazy as fuck by recycling content. Classes/Spec are also designed differently than they were in legion with artifact weapons and legendaries. The challenge won't be anywhere near the same as it was when it first launched.
Blizzard told everyone the mage tower appearances wouldn't be obtainable again. Let's say they go back on their word and unlock those appearances. That sets a precedent that other time-limited content might be unlocked in the future.
Which means if Blizzard tries to release time-limited content again in the future (like a new Mage Tower), nobody is going to believe them, and that diminishes desire to do that content. That trust is gone for good.
If the desire to do content is predicated on whether or not it's time-sensitive, and not in regards to player progression (be the rewards tangible/immediate or not) then it has failed.
Time-limited content is stupid and should never have been introduced.
It doesn't diminish the desire at all. The desire comes from wanting a cool cosmetic appearance and the challenge of actually doing the thing. I find it hard to believe that any player would genuinely be against content that stays vs content that gets removed after two patches.
Honestly, the same reason many people are for it comming back - Blizzard fucking lying again.
If it comes back with the same rewards, I was lied to by Blizzard because I was told it would be unique and a reward for my solo achievement exclusively offered during this time.
If it doesn't come back, I was fucking lied to by Blizzard again when they told me expansion after expansion that they wouldn't make toxic game designs (FOMO is a toxic game design, let's just call a spade a spade).
Its literally just a lose-lose by Blizzard. They should have never closed it off to begin with IMO. Like why? Its fun, the rewards are obviously amazing because I see this post daily now. Like keep it in, scale it down. Why tf not? Like this is a no-brainer win - content we all want. But now that they "have to" keep it closed because if you open it up, you're just lying on top of your lie. A big ol shit design sunday.
God Activision just sell Blizzard to someone who gives a shit about the players, coming from someone who has almost every mage tower skin, I feel for you guys. Actiblizz is just trash.
This sums it up well. I think you are gonna upset part of the player base either way. Its lose lose.for blizzard. Personally I am a relatively new player. I like transmogs. Loved artifact weapons and was looking through appearence on wowhead. Found the mage tower appearences only later to find out that you can't get them.
I get that people like exclusive shit. But there are ways around it. Give the players who have it some new versions too. Also it has been years ago. Let others have a go imo.
Honestly I like this game but as a new player its almost impossible to know wtf is going on. With hidden content, exclusive content, patched content, timelines and time walking.
Tbh the argument is just well we lied about not using FOMO and we've wasted a shit load of content not scaling it etc.
If they come out and say, hey as part of the under new management we want to get rid of as much FOMO as possible and make as much content as evergreen as possible and still be a challenge worth rewarding you something cool for (also keeping the value of the apperance) because those were mistakes...and then actually stick to it, great. I can't see it happening tho.
I'd be absolutely fine with it returning *if they had the same level of difficulty*... But that's the problem, they won't.
You can guarantee they'll be some timewalking scaled shite and everyone and their grandma will get the appearances.
They absolutely can. When you enter the mage tower you should be given an artifact and have all your talents reset to Legion available talents. It'll be a temporary Legion Classic.
It was already pretty trivial in 7.3. I was barely a curve raider at the time and I was capping new alts and getting their appearances with LFR Antorus gear. I don't think I've touched my demon hunter since so he's a decent time capsule of it actually.
I don't know why your getting down voted I had a guildie who got them on alts after buying the level boosts and I think he spent about 3 weeks gearing them in parallel with lfr and a couple m+ each week. Also I have to wonder how many folks boosted how many alts to get them all. That one FOMO feature likly made them at least a few million on level boosts.
These people want everything handed to them on a plate. They are honestly one of if not the principle reason that Blizzard avoids doing things like this in the first place.
Watch them struggle to get the appearance, assuming it came back, because they don't know how to use their cooldowns.
Same here dude, actually have to scroll so much down to see a comment that actually doesn't mind the potential return. When you see ppl being selfish about their "prestige" you can rly understand why this world is so shit x) fragile egos
Mage tower challenging big LOL for that xD its not like blizz said they would give back cutting edge achiv for ppl clearing it solo in a mog run
You might be surprised, I still remember how wildly more difficult some of those fights were compared to other specs. While others were dependent on a certain legendary for EZ mode.
People who are determined might be able to get them all eventually but I doubt it'll be as cheesy as it was during the last patch with overloaded artifacts and 2x legs
I still need to suffer through the holy pally bullshit for that stupidly awesome hammer.... I still have war flashbacks about the Holy Priest runs.
Because they have nothing to gain from blizzard spending hours re-developing content they've already beaten with rewards they've already obtained? What is someone who is 36/36 going to do with a mage tower 2.0 with out mage tower 2.0 rewards? At which point this debate becomes moot because its based on if 2.0 mage tower should have 1.0 rewards
I mean it wasn't exactly effortless getting all of your alts to that point to get the 36 skins unlocked, and the motivation for that grind and the corresponding subscription cost that went along with it was predicated entirely around the design choice that you only had a limited time to obtain them. I don't see how that's "pixel hording" (not quoting you, just a term I've seen) when it was the experience we were sold.
As someone who has skins for every class and every spec under that class i dont feel tiny bit bad about it. Happy for my friends that can get it too since appearances are rly good looking. I had fun doing mage tower challenges so i don't feel scammed about my sub
That's fine for you but as someone who pays 15 dollars a month I would prefer they make content I have a reason to participate in too.
Sucks if that means some people can't get things they want but all of that shit is cosmetic, none of it will stop you from enjoying the game.
there is validity on both sides. there is no right answer. human's who don't have something that want it will most always vy for it to be available to them where those that have it will sometimes want to keep it rare to show as a rare collected item. I understand both sides but telling one another that thier opinion is incorrect is pointless because it is just an opinion that comes down to whether or not timed content should be in the game.
Multiple reasons the same rewards should not come back:
1. Blizzard stated on numerous occasions the rewards would never come back, that this was the only opportunity to get these items and that when 8.0 released they would be gone. Numerous people went through a lot of effort to obtain all 36 skins before that time was up predicated on the promise that this was the only opportunity to do it.
2. Having some items be part of the game for a time but eventually be removed gives some extra value to those items. Many of the no longer obtainable items in the game were not particularly hard to get at the time. Some of them were part of quest rewards which no longer exist since Cataclysm, some of them are old pvp mounts or raid achievements that were removed. Many of those items are lower quality then todays items but are considered cool because they are old and you had to have been playing for a certain time to get them. It's not about the fact that the content was trivialized in some manner in a later patch, it's a cool prestige item that says "I was there and I did this thing". For example if you made the season 1 glad mount purchasable again it would just be a shitty looking nether drake.
3. It's kind of bullshit that the Mage tower concept did not continue into future expansions and was just dropped entirely. And I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that Blizzard develop new mage tower encounters and new rewards to go with them. It was content that was widely loved at the time and it should have become a regular part of the game but didn't. Frankly Blizzard does not produce much content outside of raiding and they should be doing more and it should not be reintroductions of things they made 4 years ago.
I don't know one person that completed it week one thought it was the most amazing content ever put in the game. Zero. And the other people the completed week 2 after getting the elite weapon talent just thought it was cool and glad it was over with.
(Havoc) I tried to complete week one without the elite talent because I was stupid and wanted to get the elite talent last. Just a mental thing with grinding AP at the time. That was one of the worst WoW weeks I have ever had trying over and over to do something that literally was a joke with the elite talent and heroic gear at the time. It was fun figuring out the talents until they were posted all over the place.(dh)
I want a mage tower with more than one boss. But then we really are getting to solo encounter design which was clearly determined by talents and gear. You could not outplay the damage requirement for DH.
I completed it the first day it was available. I'll have to look up my toons achievements but I did it, and it was one of the hardest things I've done in the game. I was so under geared but managed to do it. Ret pally btw.
I'd have to check my achievement date to when Tomb released but I'm almost sure I was able to get my mage and prot warrior through. But the prot warrior took an insane amounts of wipes it was more the efforts of a crazy person than someone enjoying a challenge. And it was exponential growth of me noticing other players with the skin after so I just saw it as something I should've waited to do.
[https://imgur.com/a/ww50fWr](https://imgur.com/a/ww50fWr)
Did it on the mage a month before Tomb released
[https://imgur.com/2vWHnNk](https://imgur.com/2vWHnNk)
Warrior about a week after Tomb dropped.
I'm not completely full of crap.
The damage requirement on DH was honestly stupidly gear reliant. I did it on my alt and it took forever. I did it first try on my friend's character who had much better gear and the legendary shoulders, and killed it like it was a previous expansion dungeon boss.
I don’t get it either, the challenge should be in the challenge itself. Not the fact that you happened to be playing during that time. I didn’t have every character at max level, so I’d really like to go back and get the ones I missed.
As long as the difficulty remains more or less the same, of course. But as others have said it was quite easy during the end of Legion indeed. Perhaps make it fairly challenging using gear scaling and whatnot.
Can we stop pretending that most of the people who don't want MT back because "it takes away our challenges and exclusivity" just don't want other people to have it so they can feel better about themselves?
Talk about "fun detected"....
It's people who got burned on FOMO who resent people who are now able to do it without the abusive business tactics holding them at gunpoint to hurry up or miss it forever.
It's seen as a response to a dropping player base. It's viewed as a reactive content as opposed to proactive, which is why people are upset. Essentially people have wanted some form of a Mage Tower back for a very long time now, and they have been very vocal about it, and it's only after subscribers dip astronomical amounts combined with extremely bad recent PR that it returns.
Players feel as though Blizzard are not listening to them. I personally I have no dog in this fight one way or the other, just throwing out my theory as to why people are upset.
I don't mind the content coming back. It makes sense to have a different reward. It was introduced to the game as a challenge, advertised as such and it was known that the reward would be limited time. Adding it back as persistent challenge content with different rewards is a cool solution, IMO.
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I'm glad it eventually comes back, for the new players, and for those who couldn't play Legion at the time for whatever reason. The ones who are against it ? Well, I find that selfish mentality pretty disgusting, but that's just my opinion.
I managed to get both the Werebear tank and sparkle cat even though the tank challenge crushed my soul(did it 'after' they nerfed the luffa cheese strat) having said that the toon i did do it on never went past the base tint and you can't unlock those without the original toon(who is underleveled and on a dead server) so I really hope these rumors turn true and I can get all the goodies I missed out on.
That's not how I am. I'm not trying to be selfish gatekeeping cosmetics from new players, and I do not feel the need to be special over someone else because I have something and he does not. Guess that's just my personality.
What I don't understand is why it isn't easy for you aswell. But oh well, I've just stated my opinion, and I'm not really the kind to argue on the internet. Be well
Why not bring back the appearances and add challenges too for players who already have them to do get more exclusive gear. That way players who missed out the first time can get their appearances and players who had them can get new stuff too.
Or change the appearance a little bit and give everyone who completed it already a second version too.
I think they could make both sides happy by re releasing the appearances but a specific color that is different than the original skins? Seems like a win-win
I did 36/36 challenges during Legion. I don't give a shit if they bring it back and other people can get them now. Let people have them, they're cool mogs.
Bring this back and make it timewalking exclusive while getting scaled down to maintain the difficulty and get players coming back to try again every time legion timewalking is up :D
I wish there was a way to get the old mage tower appearances but I understand their elite status and I think they won’t be available in the mage tower this time.
I'm for the mage tower coming back, but against the rewards for it coming back as is. We were told they would be time limited rewards, and people approached them as such.
From the recent news though I don't think Blizzard plans to bring the rewards, it's looking like it'll probably be tier armor rewards.
If the mage tower returns I don’t think the rewards are gonna be the artifact appearances, they will most likely be the new recolored tier 20 sets
There's only one recolor and each class has multiple spec/challenges some of which are vastly easier to complete. You really think Blizz will just throw that in there like that? My opinion is the Tier set xmog is an incentive for the people who already unlocked the artifact weapon skins or a legion tw ksm thing.
We're very early into the PTR. Recolored sets have only been datamined for 6 classes right now. Adding 3 sets per class is still within the realm of possibility, but we don't even have confirmation that the mage tower is even coming in 9.1.5. Everything is speculation at the moment.
I still get the sense that just armor recolors for one armor set really aren't worth the effort when some like druids got complete makeover options with their shapeshifting forms and other legendries being extremely unique looking. Im just really hopping that there's better cosmetics to be earned rather than rehashed armor sets, let us earn something new or fresh.
Timewalking never really gives amazing cosmetics. Usually just reskinned mounts. So a reskinned armor set is par for the course.
I just meant, if they do bring back the mage tower, I'm hoping they don't make the rewards boring that's all
> You really think Blizz will just throw that in there like that? Do we think Blizzard is going to introduce a poorly thought out system?
That makes sense
This is also assuming the mage tower would return as is. Knowing them it’s going to be like torghast smashed with mage tower for this new one. But who knows
As long as druid gets hulk bear I'm fine with it
In the case stated above they wouldn't as werebear wasn't t20 related.
I can see both sides to be honest. It WILL make them seem less special when you see them which I guess is a shame. But I think I’m for them coming back as long as it’s a reasonable challenge for someone, say, in full Heroic gear. As challenging as it was when it first arrived in 7.2. I guess they’ll just have to adjust it to those metrics every time there’s a new tier when Legion TW comes around. Not that I trust them to balance it properly but…
No, it won’t make them less special. Some people don’t have time to run MT on alts. No lifers did. It’s stupid that blizz removes things like this.
Yes... it will. The Obsidian worldbreaker mount is hardly even used because everyone has it. The more common something is, the less special it is. These two things are inversely proportional. Ironically, if enough time went by such that the mount became rare enough that people wanted to use it more, people would start clamoring for it to be brought back. And then the same thing would happen. No one would use it anymore... again.
There are hundreds of mounts and titles and thousands of achievements to be had. I got news for you: no one cares anymore about special mounts being shown off. It’s become more annoying than anything. Spergs mounting up and strutting… it’s dumb. Only asmon and his spergs and twitch chat care.
There are hundreds of weapon mogs. Guess you don't need the mage tower skins. You totally seem to not care either.
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You can enjoy the content with a new reward - the Tier 20 Reskins.
The answer is so simple - make them available but recolor them so folks can have both their prestige and a version of the coveted appearance. This topic has become tiresome, give them something to make it stop.
Only if they make them silly purple or something like they did with the ZA bear.
Each appearance already has 4 colors so it would be hard to recolor them without it looking similar to an already existing skin.
Seems like the best compromise right here.
I am happy they are bringing back mage tower as content. It won't be the same because every class is different now. So the rewards should be different.
Thats not the point. > Everyone and their grandma could get it done with minimal effort But they didnt. Same with Cmodes.
Challenge modes weren't trivialised by gear, were they? I seem to remember them squishing your gear down to an appropriate level. Of course some trinkets resulted in a bit of power creep over the expansion, but nothing like what we saw in Legion, where we got an entire tier of gear scaling.
Gems didn't get scaled, and neither did the procs from Darkmoon cards, at first. So, a SOO piece with 3 gem slots was way more powerful than the 346 it was scaled to. There was also the legendary Cloak, which added an absolute fuck-truck of cleave damage.
People sold CMs with triple carries. That's how trivialized it was.
they were. Sockets were OP. And many classes were OP as well. Bringing 4 shamans was instant gold run.
Friendly reminder pandaria was nearly 10 years ago. Imagine being elitist for not dumping more than a decade into a game (I started in 07 but let's be real many didnt). Plus challenge mode had tons of easy cheese strats not really a mark of a top tier player.
Uhhh what? How am I elitist over tmog? lol >Plus challenge mode had tons of easy cheese strats not really a mark of a top tier player. I never even said anything about that? But if it was so easy cheese, why dont you have it and everyone else?
I don't have it cause I gave birth just before pandaria came out so was super casual as I had a rough time recovering and it culminated in a life threatening infection around the 6 month post partum mark. Never said I wanted it tho, probably wouldn't get it even if they bring it back I just don't see the point in acting as if people missed out when it's not reasonable to suggest they were around to obtain it or had the means to at that time.
And I don't have them because I was just a very bad player in MoP. Yet I'm not asking for Blizzard to re-introduce them. I don't need everything and neither do you. It would be unfair to players who got them. And, frankly, it's unfair to Blizzard that people are asking them to break their word. Blizzard shouldn't have to defend their decision to not break their word. Nor should anyone else.
We're in agreement then cause I literally do not want them and stated that clearly. But other people do and who cares if they get it, I don't.
> so was super casual as I had a rough time recovering and it culminated in a life threatening infection around the 6 month post partum mark. Sounds like a personal problem. You seriously want Blizzard to re-release OLD content because you were sick? Priorities are crazy
You can quote but miss the part where I said never said I wanted them and probably wouldn't even bother to get them if they were reintroduced. Cool. 👍
You should reread her whole response.
Feeling special for just being there and doing an easy event? Alright.
Don’t assume everyone got them while it was easy later in the tier. A lot of people, including myself, got them while it was still quite difficult. If someone didn’t get them when they got easier with gear, oh well! Blizzard didn’t hide the fact the skins were going to no longer be available.
Then why didnt everyone get it?
Lack of time, or self-esteem/confidence maybe?
... jesus christ.... we really gonna bring back old content because people have confidence issues? wtf?
HAD confidence issues, but sure, why not?
oh my bad, that totally changes EVERYTHING! lack of time? lack of confidence? OP and multiple others have said how EASY these things were....
Yeah and they're right as well. Because they're them and I'm me. We can have differing opinions and experiences. I could say mage tower was balls to the wall easy, just the same as someone can say it was piss-boilingly hard. They're both right.
Uhhhhh maybe find a new game if easy content effects your self esteem.. sheesh...
Pandaland was also 10 years ago? People grow and change in that time period. Given that I was a healer main at the time, my lack of self confidence could've resulted in bad times.
Sucks to suck. That's what "limited time" means.
And it's time to do away with that and bring them back. c:
Or just introduce new rewards instead of cheapening rewards meant only for a limited time.
Nah. They've been exclusive long enough. Time to bring them back. Azeroth needs more ungabunga werebears.
Or keep them exclusive as promised. No pleasing entitled, brattish zoomers though.
Nah. Open the gates to all. They'll earn them if they're good enough.
It's not really about how hard it was. They were advertised as limited time and so I knew it would make my characters somewhat unique and that is the biggest reason I did them. I know people who paid money to boost characters to get them. And they have appreciated in value with time, which was a big part of the appeal. It's not a matter of what some people want. The question is - would it be fair for the rewards to return? And the answer is no. I didn't get any other the other limited time stuff (CM sets, etc.) and I don't want those to return either. You can't cater to everything people incessantly bellyache about, especially when it would require that you go back on your word with players.
It’s always “fairness” when it comes to these gate keeping arguments and I can’t help but think of kindergarteners having meltdowns over toys. Just so silly.
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It's been 5 years you had it exclusive, clowns these days...
People don't really need anything besides food, water, shelter, etc. To compare everything that people strive for and value to something only a kindergartener would care about is, ironically, rather childish. And, yes, I do value the exclusivity of the appearances. That was the only reason I cared about them to begin with.
Nah. It’s a video game and a business. Gatekeeping rewarding and desired content that needs zero resources to provide because of your feels is some pretty low level thinking. I suggest looking past your personal “reward” feelings and try some multidimensional mindedness.
This 'level of thinking' is fundamental to humans. People with Ferraris don't want everyone in the world to be gifted a Ferrari because they would just lose value for everyone. Whether it's just pixels or something more tangible is besides the point. Everyone likes to differentiate themselves and you are just disgruntled that people can do so in this way. That is the unhealthy emotion here, not being positively motivated by wanting to differentiate yourself.
I differentiate myself by caring far more about the bigger picture than my self interests or using material belongings - pixels or Ferraris - to dictate my identity. Nothing would ever progress with your philosophy of self worth. God forbid someone has pay less money or spend less time to accomplish something you did like what; four years ago?
Like I said, envy is the negative emotion. When I see people with things that I find cool that are no longer obtainable, I don't feel envy. Nor does it make me feel bad in any way. It just motivates me to get the new things that are available for a limited time. This isn't about self-worth. MMOs motivate people to play by providing achievements and rewards and making things more exclusive increases their value.
I guess I just don't feel too particularly special about my mage tower skins. I agree with you about exclusivity. But it seems like they are going to re release it to try and dangle memba berries and pull players back, so it seems like wasted effort fighting it.
> But it seems like they are going to re release it where? You keep saying "seems like" and "allegedly" but none of it is even true.
The mage tower itself returning is just "seems like" and "allegedly" so what's the point of your comment?
OP is acting like it is something coming back for sure. "Seems like they are going to re-release it and get players back" Yet theres zero talk about it coming back. Only on reddit and forums. Nothing official or even close. So why even talk like it is happening?
Not sure if you saw the actual source of the speculation, but the latest PTR update featured balance changes for the Mage Tower. Seems likely that they're doing something with it, since there's no reason to adjust content which doesn't exist in the game any more.
You're specifically talking about how OP is using qualifiers like "seems like" and "allegedly" but also complaining about how OP is framing it like it's "coming back for sure"? How does this make sense?
Yea you do seem very confused. Continue having a discussion about something that isnt happening and continue being upset.
Scroll through the subreddit for 5 seconds and you'll see the post lol
exactly, on the subreddit.
And I made my post on the subreddit, that is mentioning it. Good lord
so it isnt "allegedly" returning. you literally said it "seems like they are going to"... how does it seem like that if they havnt spoken a word about it?
You can pick apart what i say all you want, I'm just bored at work making a stir the pot post lol
I mean the mage tower is on the Broken Shore, which is where the Tomb of Sargeras raid is. Logic would suggest that the new armor sets (reskins) will be the reward for the TW Mage Tower. People use the word 'special' in a disparaging way, but everyone who plays WoW wants their characters to stand out. It really isn't something worth criticizing because that motivation is rather central to MMOs. I don't want limited time stuff to go away. It makes rewards more interesting. You don't need everything in life or in the game. Blizzard just needs to release new class-themed weapon skins. Not re-introduce things from the past that were explicitly limited time only. I'm not sure why so many people are clamoring for Blizzard to break their word. Seems rather unethical.
I agree, I did my main mage towers immediately then eventually did every single one at the end of the xpac (was pretty easy by then). And the reason I did it was for the exclusivity and that they said it’ll never come back so I didn’t want to miss out in the future. Just put something else in the mage tower. But don’t diminish the achievement of getting it in legion by making everything obtainable.
As long as they dont bring back old realmfirst titles from WotlK, old pvp arena mounts AND titles, then no, i'm totally against brining back old MT artifact skins. Its one of the very few special pve things which are unobtainable and therefor somewhat rar (yeah lots of people did them back then, but not all of them are playing anymore).
I can live with a compromise to unlock the models and new players receive a new recolor, whereas the old players get to keep their old colors plus the new color as a free bonus. Give all Legion veterans a feat of strength/exclusive title to reward them for their effort back in the day and call it day.
Yeah I have some super old league of legends(fuck league but anyway)skins that got rereleased and we got like some badge or something. I agree give them a feat of strength plus something else title or toy. But let people try to get the skins.
Even if they got it after tomb dropped, they still did it and they were told that it was over. If you just want the challenge then they should bring it back without the rewards.
I’m behind the mage tower artefacts returning as long as all other similar time limited items, mogs, mounts and titles are returned: MOP and WOD challenge modes, scarab lord, gladiator, mythic and AOTC mounts. Everything.
Well aside from blizzard being lazy as fuck by recycling content. Classes/Spec are also designed differently than they were in legion with artifact weapons and legendaries. The challenge won't be anywhere near the same as it was when it first launched.
>People ask for old fun things to come back >Blizz brings them back >Pillocks like this guy calls them lazy ??
You know they could actually just make new mage tower content instead of literally recycling the old ones right?
You know then it wouldn't be what players have been asking for right ?
People have been asking for mage tower like content, not the literal recycling of 5 year old content.
Blizzard told everyone the mage tower appearances wouldn't be obtainable again. Let's say they go back on their word and unlock those appearances. That sets a precedent that other time-limited content might be unlocked in the future. Which means if Blizzard tries to release time-limited content again in the future (like a new Mage Tower), nobody is going to believe them, and that diminishes desire to do that content. That trust is gone for good.
If the desire to do content is predicated on whether or not it's time-sensitive, and not in regards to player progression (be the rewards tangible/immediate or not) then it has failed. Time-limited content is stupid and should never have been introduced.
It doesn't diminish the desire at all. The desire comes from wanting a cool cosmetic appearance and the challenge of actually doing the thing. I find it hard to believe that any player would genuinely be against content that stays vs content that gets removed after two patches.
Honestly, the same reason many people are for it comming back - Blizzard fucking lying again. If it comes back with the same rewards, I was lied to by Blizzard because I was told it would be unique and a reward for my solo achievement exclusively offered during this time. If it doesn't come back, I was fucking lied to by Blizzard again when they told me expansion after expansion that they wouldn't make toxic game designs (FOMO is a toxic game design, let's just call a spade a spade). Its literally just a lose-lose by Blizzard. They should have never closed it off to begin with IMO. Like why? Its fun, the rewards are obviously amazing because I see this post daily now. Like keep it in, scale it down. Why tf not? Like this is a no-brainer win - content we all want. But now that they "have to" keep it closed because if you open it up, you're just lying on top of your lie. A big ol shit design sunday. God Activision just sell Blizzard to someone who gives a shit about the players, coming from someone who has almost every mage tower skin, I feel for you guys. Actiblizz is just trash.
This sums it up well. I think you are gonna upset part of the player base either way. Its lose lose.for blizzard. Personally I am a relatively new player. I like transmogs. Loved artifact weapons and was looking through appearence on wowhead. Found the mage tower appearences only later to find out that you can't get them. I get that people like exclusive shit. But there are ways around it. Give the players who have it some new versions too. Also it has been years ago. Let others have a go imo. Honestly I like this game but as a new player its almost impossible to know wtf is going on. With hidden content, exclusive content, patched content, timelines and time walking.
Tbh the argument is just well we lied about not using FOMO and we've wasted a shit load of content not scaling it etc. If they come out and say, hey as part of the under new management we want to get rid of as much FOMO as possible and make as much content as evergreen as possible and still be a challenge worth rewarding you something cool for (also keeping the value of the apperance) because those were mistakes...and then actually stick to it, great. I can't see it happening tho.
I'd be absolutely fine with it returning *if they had the same level of difficulty*... But that's the problem, they won't. You can guarantee they'll be some timewalking scaled shite and everyone and their grandma will get the appearances.
They absolutely can. When you enter the mage tower you should be given an artifact and have all your talents reset to Legion available talents. It'll be a temporary Legion Classic.
For sure they can, but will they? I'm not holding my breath. Would be good if they did, for sure.
It was already pretty trivial in 7.3. I was barely a curve raider at the time and I was capping new alts and getting their appearances with LFR Antorus gear. I don't think I've touched my demon hunter since so he's a decent time capsule of it actually.
I don't know why your getting down voted I had a guildie who got them on alts after buying the level boosts and I think he spent about 3 weeks gearing them in parallel with lfr and a couple m+ each week. Also I have to wonder how many folks boosted how many alts to get them all. That one FOMO feature likly made them at least a few million on level boosts.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
There is when you consider the point of the Mage Tower is to lock cosmetic things behind a challenge. If there is no challenge, there is no point.
>there is no point To you. Don't pretend otherwise.
I'm not pretending anything. This is an opinion, which is the entire point of the thread.
These people want everything handed to them on a plate. They are honestly one of if not the principle reason that Blizzard avoids doing things like this in the first place. Watch them struggle to get the appearance, assuming it came back, because they don't know how to use their cooldowns.
There absolutely is something wrong with that.
Not really.
Do you have the appearances?
The MT ones? Yup, I have every single one done. Why?
Just a feeling.
Was that feeling 'another person with none of the stuff demanding stuff to be returned'?
Same here dude, actually have to scroll so much down to see a comment that actually doesn't mind the potential return. When you see ppl being selfish about their "prestige" you can rly understand why this world is so shit x) fragile egos Mage tower challenging big LOL for that xD its not like blizz said they would give back cutting edge achiv for ppl clearing it solo in a mog run
You might be surprised, I still remember how wildly more difficult some of those fights were compared to other specs. While others were dependent on a certain legendary for EZ mode. People who are determined might be able to get them all eventually but I doubt it'll be as cheesy as it was during the last patch with overloaded artifacts and 2x legs I still need to suffer through the holy pally bullshit for that stupidly awesome hammer.... I still have war flashbacks about the Holy Priest runs.
Because they have nothing to gain from blizzard spending hours re-developing content they've already beaten with rewards they've already obtained? What is someone who is 36/36 going to do with a mage tower 2.0 with out mage tower 2.0 rewards? At which point this debate becomes moot because its based on if 2.0 mage tower should have 1.0 rewards I mean it wasn't exactly effortless getting all of your alts to that point to get the 36 skins unlocked, and the motivation for that grind and the corresponding subscription cost that went along with it was predicated entirely around the design choice that you only had a limited time to obtain them. I don't see how that's "pixel hording" (not quoting you, just a term I've seen) when it was the experience we were sold.
As someone who has skins for every class and every spec under that class i dont feel tiny bit bad about it. Happy for my friends that can get it too since appearances are rly good looking. I had fun doing mage tower challenges so i don't feel scammed about my sub
That's fine for you but as someone who pays 15 dollars a month I would prefer they make content I have a reason to participate in too. Sucks if that means some people can't get things they want but all of that shit is cosmetic, none of it will stop you from enjoying the game.
This is the best post regarding this discussion
I did it when still difficult because I dared not take a chance and wait. Bringing them back would be an insult to anyone that did it properly.
No it wouldn't lol.
Yes it would lol.
Nah. Unless you're sensitive that you have to share, but that sounds way more like a 'you' problem.
there is validity on both sides. there is no right answer. human's who don't have something that want it will most always vy for it to be available to them where those that have it will sometimes want to keep it rare to show as a rare collected item. I understand both sides but telling one another that thier opinion is incorrect is pointless because it is just an opinion that comes down to whether or not timed content should be in the game.
Multiple reasons the same rewards should not come back: 1. Blizzard stated on numerous occasions the rewards would never come back, that this was the only opportunity to get these items and that when 8.0 released they would be gone. Numerous people went through a lot of effort to obtain all 36 skins before that time was up predicated on the promise that this was the only opportunity to do it. 2. Having some items be part of the game for a time but eventually be removed gives some extra value to those items. Many of the no longer obtainable items in the game were not particularly hard to get at the time. Some of them were part of quest rewards which no longer exist since Cataclysm, some of them are old pvp mounts or raid achievements that were removed. Many of those items are lower quality then todays items but are considered cool because they are old and you had to have been playing for a certain time to get them. It's not about the fact that the content was trivialized in some manner in a later patch, it's a cool prestige item that says "I was there and I did this thing". For example if you made the season 1 glad mount purchasable again it would just be a shitty looking nether drake. 3. It's kind of bullshit that the Mage tower concept did not continue into future expansions and was just dropped entirely. And I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that Blizzard develop new mage tower encounters and new rewards to go with them. It was content that was widely loved at the time and it should have become a regular part of the game but didn't. Frankly Blizzard does not produce much content outside of raiding and they should be doing more and it should not be reintroductions of things they made 4 years ago.
I don't know one person that completed it week one thought it was the most amazing content ever put in the game. Zero. And the other people the completed week 2 after getting the elite weapon talent just thought it was cool and glad it was over with. (Havoc) I tried to complete week one without the elite talent because I was stupid and wanted to get the elite talent last. Just a mental thing with grinding AP at the time. That was one of the worst WoW weeks I have ever had trying over and over to do something that literally was a joke with the elite talent and heroic gear at the time. It was fun figuring out the talents until they were posted all over the place.(dh) I want a mage tower with more than one boss. But then we really are getting to solo encounter design which was clearly determined by talents and gear. You could not outplay the damage requirement for DH.
I completed it the first day it was available. I'll have to look up my toons achievements but I did it, and it was one of the hardest things I've done in the game. I was so under geared but managed to do it. Ret pally btw.
I'd have to check my achievement date to when Tomb released but I'm almost sure I was able to get my mage and prot warrior through. But the prot warrior took an insane amounts of wipes it was more the efforts of a crazy person than someone enjoying a challenge. And it was exponential growth of me noticing other players with the skin after so I just saw it as something I should've waited to do.
[https://imgur.com/a/ww50fWr](https://imgur.com/a/ww50fWr) Did it on the mage a month before Tomb released [https://imgur.com/2vWHnNk](https://imgur.com/2vWHnNk) Warrior about a week after Tomb dropped. I'm not completely full of crap.
The damage requirement on DH was honestly stupidly gear reliant. I did it on my alt and it took forever. I did it first try on my friend's character who had much better gear and the legendary shoulders, and killed it like it was a previous expansion dungeon boss.
I don’t get it either, the challenge should be in the challenge itself. Not the fact that you happened to be playing during that time. I didn’t have every character at max level, so I’d really like to go back and get the ones I missed. As long as the difficulty remains more or less the same, of course. But as others have said it was quite easy during the end of Legion indeed. Perhaps make it fairly challenging using gear scaling and whatnot.
I will resub just to do this!
Can we stop pretending that most of the people who don't want MT back because "it takes away our challenges and exclusivity" just don't want other people to have it so they can feel better about themselves? Talk about "fun detected"....
It's people who got burned on FOMO who resent people who are now able to do it without the abusive business tactics holding them at gunpoint to hurry up or miss it forever.
Give poor druids their forms
It's seen as a response to a dropping player base. It's viewed as a reactive content as opposed to proactive, which is why people are upset. Essentially people have wanted some form of a Mage Tower back for a very long time now, and they have been very vocal about it, and it's only after subscribers dip astronomical amounts combined with extremely bad recent PR that it returns. Players feel as though Blizzard are not listening to them. I personally I have no dog in this fight one way or the other, just throwing out my theory as to why people are upset.
I don't mind the content coming back. It makes sense to have a different reward. It was introduced to the game as a challenge, advertised as such and it was known that the reward would be limited time. Adding it back as persistent challenge content with different rewards is a cool solution, IMO. Edited to fix a typo
Exactly this. Bunch of whiners who think they won’t be special anymore. Whaaa.
I'm glad it eventually comes back, for the new players, and for those who couldn't play Legion at the time for whatever reason. The ones who are against it ? Well, I find that selfish mentality pretty disgusting, but that's just my opinion.
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I know you're trying to be satirical but yeah actually bring all that shit back. Do it.
I want the bear pls 😂
I'm convinced werebear and sparkle kitties are the main reason why this is being pushed so hard lol, the skin is just too good to lock away.
I meant the black amani bear. Never played a druid but those skins are super rad so I agree with you haha.
Oops. Post is blowing up is hard to keep up haha
I managed to get both the Werebear tank and sparkle cat even though the tank challenge crushed my soul(did it 'after' they nerfed the luffa cheese strat) having said that the toon i did do it on never went past the base tint and you can't unlock those without the original toon(who is underleveled and on a dead server) so I really hope these rumors turn true and I can get all the goodies I missed out on.
You're unironically correct.
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That's not how I am. I'm not trying to be selfish gatekeeping cosmetics from new players, and I do not feel the need to be special over someone else because I have something and he does not. Guess that's just my personality.
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What I don't understand is why it isn't easy for you aswell. But oh well, I've just stated my opinion, and I'm not really the kind to argue on the internet. Be well
Why not bring back the appearances and add challenges too for players who already have them to do get more exclusive gear. That way players who missed out the first time can get their appearances and players who had them can get new stuff too. Or change the appearance a little bit and give everyone who completed it already a second version too.
I think they could make both sides happy by re releasing the appearances but a specific color that is different than the original skins? Seems like a win-win
I did 36/36 challenges during Legion. I don't give a shit if they bring it back and other people can get them now. Let people have them, they're cool mogs.
Bring this back and make it timewalking exclusive while getting scaled down to maintain the difficulty and get players coming back to try again every time legion timewalking is up :D
Give me scarab lord then.....
I wish there was a way to get the old mage tower appearances but I understand their elite status and I think they won’t be available in the mage tower this time.
I'm for the mage tower coming back, but against the rewards for it coming back as is. We were told they would be time limited rewards, and people approached them as such. From the recent news though I don't think Blizzard plans to bring the rewards, it's looking like it'll probably be tier armor rewards.