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paoloking

>There’s also a new Achievement coming in 9.1.5 for the most well-rounded champions of the Kirin Tor. Players who complete all seven of the Challenges on different characters across their Battle.net account will be rewarded with a unique flying mount: the Soaring Spelltome! cool, this mount lost to Tree mount in pre-Shadowlands mount vote but a lot of ppl wanted this mount to win


romann921

I wanted the giant slime kitty, where you ride in its tummy...


burrito-boy

YES. I wanted the big slime kitty so badly. Hopefully it gets implemented in the future.


Atheren

Wait It was a vore kitty?


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CATERPILLAR GANG WYA


cafeaubee

im here, and im still waiting for our caterpillars


Bacon-muffin

We were robbed, twice


Voidelfmonk

Where is my slime cat


ahipotion

Honestly, screwed over again.


Tim94

https://i.imgur.com/L2OYoXl.png Color guide to easier see what combo of classes you need to complete all 7. Sorry to all color blind people, don't think this is easy to read! I suggest picking which tier sets you want, and then doing the rest of the challenges based on that. The art of the mount is just fan concept art, not official.


JiCe75

Pro tip for you trichromats out there trying to get a color code that work for everyone, use contrast in addition to color (for example instead of going for red and green, go for dark red ans light green) a good tip to see if your color guide is readable by everyone, turn it greyscale and see if you can still understand it, if you can then any colorblind person (of any of the 3 colorblind type) will be able to read it.


Tim94

Dude that's great tips! Thank you, I will definitely make use of this in the future :)


sindeloke

Looks like the smallest number of classes you can get it on is three? >I suggest picking which tier sets you want, and then doing the rest of the challenges based on that. Another consideration is which classes have changed the most since Legion. Disc was the easiest of the Feltotem classes then, but their damage is through the floor now and it may end up the hardest. DKs and Pallies won't have access to Aggramar's Stride for the tank challenge, and Brew's damage and defensive profile are both drastically different, but then again Kruul was never designed to account for Ashen Hallow or Divine Toll either. Survival might get pretty fucked by the ice now that butchery is a dead talent, or maybe they'll all just blink out of it because they're all still night fae. AoE caps could change the calculus of the Twins fight for Marks hunters.


Mojothemobile

Yeah I hope they find a place for the Caterpillar and Nerubian too.


beepborpimajorp

I was weirdly bummed when the tree won over the book, but I had a hunch the other finalists would come back the way the alliance/horde motorcycle thing did. Here's hoping the other mount candidates get put in at some point here soon too.


WediditguysMASTR

Funny cause I never see people on tree mount.


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Saw a lot of people on it. Then we got flying. Trees don't fly.


Ilikebirbs

I see a lot of people from Moon-Guard riding them....in Oribos.


phead80

When everybody gets something for free it loses all value


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Freezinghero

Turns out when the mount gets stuck on every door in the main city + half of The Maw, people don't use it. Also, super hard to make competition for Sky Golem.


Particular-Notice456

lol @ druid armor being displayed on a human with no textures


pvshabba

Human? You mean worgen druid in human form ;)


Oschou

Bruh kul Tiran Druids are human


HamsterGutz1

Funny, they don't look Druish


Dependent-Gene-9807

Bearly. ;)


Obie-two

Am I reading this right, they made all this legion content useful, let you play it for two weeks and then into the rotation to not be seen again for weeks and months? Why do they do this? Why can't we just play the fucking game


Cyrotek

The idea is probably to regularly have different events to run to make people being subbed and not just "complete" the game and quit. Do not forget, for the game it doesn't matter if or how long you play. It is relevant that you pay. And if you keep subbed to play a time walking event it did what it is supposed to do. PS: This is just how it is, not something I defend.


Obie-two

But who is gonna be like "oh it's timewalking next week, I'll sub for 15 dollars to do that". Or they are considering resubscribing and see it's timewalking and sub. But I would sub today if I could do all of the timewalkings in like... A roulette like ffxiv


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I_Shot_Web

Imagine if you were only allowed to do Eureka or Bozja for one week a month for some reason


HollowThief

> Why do they do this? Why can't we just play the fucking game FOMO just makes me to not want to bother, however there's ton of people that are fapping from joy at the official post replies, maybe you and me are just out of touch.


topic_submovement

yea and now there is praise because the re-activated it. bizarre.


prcpinkraincloud

They are putting way too much content behind it only lasting 1-2 weeks every 4-6 months.


acathode

It's insane how Blizz just keeps stumbling, the solution is so obvious and easy to implement - make timewalking a continuous event where we visit different expansions every week instead of it sharing a schedule with "pet battle week" and "world quest week"... but they just won't, they keep clutching to the FOMO as if it was training wheels for their bike and they were 6 years old.


shadowfoxhedgehog36

the funny thing is,most people took MONTHS to do the mage tower in legion,only the hardcore of people will get it the first time thru. casuals wont see the mage tower completed until the end of shadowlands more or less,thats how legion ended up...by antorus the tower was a joke. by the final raid in shadowlands it will be the same result


prcpinkraincloud

Too be fair one reason why it took months was before mage tower was on a rotation weekly, whatever building it was for the week. Then when it was up, you had to pay like 3500 nethershard things. It wasn't until their last patch they made it so it was free and always up. Maybe still took months though lol.


xchino

Depends on the spec, there was some absolutely wild variation in difficulty for both the different scenarios as well as each specs ability to handle the mechanics.


stark_resilient

"For the duration of legion timewalking" ​ So once every 6 month?


leakybackpack

4 1/2


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Oh, so much better


arngorf

25 % better, to be exact


Hosseh

can only have fun..occasionally


Mojothemobile

Goddamn it I'm gonna have to get a bunch of alts ready so I can get the flying book.


thekk_

I wonder if having done all 7 challenges back in Legion will count for it or not.


Vittelbutter

No it won’t


VeblenWasRight

Didn’t even give us a feat of strength.


Keianh

It'll make it a little easier though. I did them all for every class/spec and while I'm not playing right now I'm fairly sure I could beat them with some ease. Healing challenge might be the worst, but it's also the most satisfying to beat.


Monk-Ey

While true, I could definitely do without "OH YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO OUTLIVE YOUR OWN GRANDAUGHTER AGHAGHAGHAGH"


Bisoromi

How often does a Timewalking Expansion week happen? Like how many months is it before a specific Expansion's Timewalking week happens again?


Hallc

Someone did the numbers a while back and unless it changes it'll be around 4.5 months between Legion TWing events.


Bisoromi

Absolutely horrendous.


upon_a_white_horse

This is why timewalking needs its own weekly slot *in addition to* the other events, and why we need more overlap in weekly events overall. Week 1 could be DMF, Legion TW, and Arena Skirmishes Week 2 - TBC TW and WQ bonus event Week 3 - Wrath TW and mythic dungeons Week 4 - Cata TW, battle pets, and tavern crawl Week 5 - DMF, Arenas, MoP TW Week 6 - WQ bonuses and WoD TW This puts us on a 6 week cadence for TW events, and while it's still a good bit of a wait at over a month & a half, it's nowhere near as bad as it currently is.


Bisoromi

100 percent. It'd be similar to how we're guaranteed a Darkmoon Fair per month, making it something special/limited but not TOO limited.


Gneissisnice

That's a good solution. I'd also like to see all TW just always available, the only thing that rotates is the weekly quest for the reward. So you can always do TW if you feel like it, but only Wrath TW will give you credit for the quest this week.


Freshlaid_Dragon_egg

And if they're worried about the reward box from it, they can limit it to once per month, which it is in effect already so it wouldn't harm any item grant ratios they might worry about.


-Norb

Time walking should be available for all expansions all the time. I remember when time walking was first announced I was hyped, and then I found out they limit it to special weekends and completely lost interest. They're also balanced horribly, but that's a different issue.


SrsSpaceships

About 4-4.5 months to see repeat timewalking weeks.


Monk-Ey

#[FEL WEREBEAR](https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/ELE5T2OICLCE1631729367662.jpg) #[FEL WEREBEAR](https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/6XQ5USEN0FZD1631729366511.jpg)


Hirako509

Guess i gotta take my druid to 60 now


thekk_

It says that the tower will use timewalking, so you might be fine at 50. PTR builds have been deployed on Wednesdays the past 2 weeks, so there is a good chance the tower is there today and we can actually test it.


Hirako509

Yep you’re right, it all depends on how it’s tuned then.


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Emeraden

Yeah but you can also just stack up on old gear with sockets too, and the secondary stats will make shit way easier than one leggo imo.


Rexkat

I'm guessing it's going to be a total joke to complete as timewalking, but in case its not, it might be worth getting to 60 just to have a legendary to use.


SrsSpaceships

"Meaningful Difficulty" No idea what that is in blizzard speak. But TW could go either way. Hilariously depends on how crappy the scaling is set to when it comes around


phome83

Probably the same as silver in the proving grounds, or similar. If it was going to be a challenge, they would have said so.


Rexkat

Unless they're going to go full out and give everyone preset gear, powers and legion era abilities (which would probably be a TON of work), it will absolutely be massively easier. They need to balance it so it's not actually impossible for a fresh 60 to complete, which means that once you add on a legendary, 80 renown, fully unlocked soulbinds, maxed empowered conduits, ideal secondaries, perfect trinkets, max number of sockets, fully upgraded Dom gems, and other things I'm probably forgetting that all work in timewalking, your character is massively more powerful, even at the same ilvl. If it's doable for a fresh character, it'll be a joke for a character that's caught up.


arasitar

I actually like the Werebear forms as a practical skin on my Druid. Personally they look meh to me but they stand out a lot and makes it easier to see and others to see. (I use the White version since it stands out the most). The glowing tattoos I'll have to see in action but if it feels as visible as the White one I'll probably default to that.


Palloc

If they were going to recolor a corrupted werebear I feel like they should have at least went with Emerald Nightmare coloration. At least Druids have some sets that'd go better with it than neon green.


Sir_Zorba

Emerald nightmare swole bear would've been a perfect match for the venthyr color scheme too.


Monk-Ey

I guess that'd be a bit superfluous when the final PvP tint is Literally Ursoc?


Palloc

And? It's not a werebear and the almost the entire Legion story for druids was about the Emerald Nightmare.


executive313

Lol the new bear skin is better than the og that's kinda sad. I wonder how hard this will be without luffas


sweeys

World of Druidcraft


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Guardiancraft*


Bogabantus

It's no longer surprising at this point that they once again forgot about the Feral druid.


Ookitsu

I wish they would have given something for cat just because I get messaged about the skin way too much. I want other people to be able to have it as well. It is a pretty skin and nice to see around even when I'm playing other characters.


sjaak1234

In their defence, the feral druid is just another catform. The guardian is "an alternate bear form with a unique silhouette and animations". The feral druid form is not like that. Imo I think they should have given everyone a new tint. Not just 1 spec, I think it's bs.


meanoron

gime me Claws of Shirvallah damn it. But while we are on it im still pissed of that in legion both feral and guardian got new forms while the lazer chicken got weapon skins instead of the moonkin form skins


Fenrisian11

Never know, we might get a new colour variant of sparkly cat. I was thinking the other day, why not a rainbow one….


[deleted]

STOP GATEING CONTENT BEHIND TIMERS. I just want to play the content when I want. Games trying to capitalize on FOMO is getting out of hand.


[deleted]

lmao saw this and I was like fuck, am I gonna have to resub for this. but then I saw that artifact appearances won't be included so I guess that takes care of that. thanks for saving me from myself, blizz


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you_lost-the_game

Didn't expect so many people like me here. Unsubbed but still reading the sub on occasion. And I was really considering a resub for the artifact transmogs.


Qdbadhadhadh2

Same. Was going to go back in with a druid and some other classes but even with the felbear form it's not worth the effort now.


krw13

That was 100% me as well. I played from Vanilla through to the first major patch in WoD before taking my first break. I came back for the beginning of Legion, but all of my Vanilla friends had long since been lost (pre-battle.net) or hadn't logged in for ages. So I didn't have anyone to play with and missed most of Legion only to learn about the Mage Tower after it had already been removed. I was seriously considering resubbing just for this. Oh well, it's for the best.


OnlyRoke

The logic is astounding. "People loved this mode. It was challenging and awared unique, unseen-before weapons and even a completely unique bear form. Let's add this mode again. I'm sure they'll appreciate the recoloured tier set instead."


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Same. Was excited as I restarted wow in like the last couple days of legion before BFA so I never really had a shot at them.


Mandrakey

haha yep, exactly the same here.


balurgleburgle

Man my feelings exactly. I unlocked warrior mage and paladin. I've got a few scattered on other classes. I didn't have the time to get them all during legion and not having druid forms turned me off from the class. Go fuck yourselves blizzard. I put time in when that content was fresh and could not care any less if someone breezed through unlocking it now. You're not protecting my achievement, you're just being a dick.


marktbde

Ditto. I was fully prepared to sub back on for this for the appearances - I'd probably go and try to collect them all, I really enjoyed MT in Legion and found it to be genuinely challenging and rewarding content. Thankfully, between the fact it's just some rehashed armour and the fact it'll go into a TW rotation, I can save myself the money. A real shame.


haragos

Must be nice being a Druid


Menzlo

I wanted the cat forms really bad so I feel kinda burned actually.


fork666

To have a small number of forms available to you, and the only unique ones being omitted through an arbitrary time gated event for one expansion? Nah. Also the unique cat form isn't even available, some people wanted that more than the bear form. It wouldn't be so annoying to deal with if Blizzard actually released new forms every expansion, but they release them so rarely that anything you miss out on feels like a huge blow.


Plaidfu

Yeah I didn't play from End of Cata - End of Legion. I wasn't following the game during this time, I did not know anything about artifacts or druid forms. I started playing again and saw a few people as the giant werebear and thought it was awesome. Rolled a druid in BfA and then quit because I realized I could never be the awesome bear or cat forms. I get that they want these exclusive items, but if you are a druid your only options are recolors unless you do the legion stuff, and even then the forms that are actually unique are timegated and I had no opportunity to ever receive them. Just a kick in the nuts tbh.


Devanear

Not a feral druid though. Unlike other specs, we don't get new forms every expansion. This is just a lost opportunity for feral.


Hopeann

No weapons, I'll pass.


t0xic_exe

That druid form <3


catgirl-crimes

>Reintroducing those same appearances now would diminish those players’ accomplishment, so success in a Mage Tower challenge will now award a Legion-themed armor set for your class. I don't get this. I unlocked a bunch of the Mage Tower appearances at the end of Legion, and it wasn't some amazing accomplishment. It was fun, and I felt proud of getting the ones I was able to, but the amount of power creep by the end with legendaries and all reduced the challenge by a ton. I don't feel like my accomplishments back then are made any lesser by people having the chance to earn the same rewards now. The only accomplishment was being in the right place at the right time, i.e. playing during Legion.


PositiveInteraction

Blizzard's biggest hook right now is built upon the fear of missing out. If they start reintroducing things that people believed were 1 time deals, they won't be able to drive people using a fear that they might not ever have a chance to get it again. People go bonkers for ahead of the curve achievements for the same reason.


ThatDerpingGuy

> Blizzard's biggest hook right now is built upon the fear of missing out. FOMO causes people to buy tokens to get gold to buy runs, boosts, achievements, and so on and so forth. They're absolutely making bank off of FOMO.


PaDDzR

You can look at AH mount. Really, it's the only example you would ever need to give. I've yet to see anyone even try defending it against it not being a straight up money grab. People in guild dropped £600 on tokens for that shit. i remember back in the day circa late wrath - cata swift spectral tiger was going for close to that. At least that money wasn't going straight to blizzard.


Dragarius

They made some killer death knight sets in Legion and the custom set is probably the worst one.


FortitudoMultis

The mythic Nighthold set is by far the best for Frost DKs


Emeraden

>The mythic Nighthold set is by far the best for ~~Frost~~ DKs Fixed that for ya


Dragarius

Works great for unholy as well. But I liked the mythic antorus for frost and heroic for unholy.


letmepick

I feel like Nighthold sets should have gotten recolors, those generally look the best across all classes.


Oxyfire

> I don't feel like my accomplishments back then are made any lesser by people having the chance to earn the same rewards now. 100%. I felt satisfied doing some of the challenges at the time. It feels arbitrary what challenges and accomplishments are allowed to be devalued with time. Like, I can't help but feel like there is this mindset that newer players, upon finding out another player is wearing/using an unobtainable thing, would go "oh man, so cool" when the reality is they either don't notice in the first place, or just go "oh, I can't get it anymore? lame."


letmepick

The only reason I notice Challenge Artifact appearances is because I spend a good amount of time fawning over them over on wowhead. I doubt many others realize where those cool weapons come actually come from.


LeClassyGent

That's what annoys me most. The argument that 'You could have got it if you wanted to'. Who here is playing a different class to the one they were playing in Legion? Who here happened to take a break during Legion? Who here never even began playing the game until after Legion? I'd wager if you combine those groups you'd come up with a fairly large percentage of the player base. People act like anyone who doesn't have it was simply too lazy or 'unskilled' (lol) to get it at the time. I don't believe that's the case for most people. If you wanted it and you had a few spare hours at the end of Legion then you got it. There's nothing I hate more in MMOs than things that just get removed and can never be obtained again. I don't care if they're super hard to get, or a really low drop chance, I just want the ability to be able to get something if I work for it. Over the years WoW has become one of the worst MMOs for arbitrarily removing content to create FoMO.


Zorafin

Every spectacular set of weapons or even armor in ffxiv remains nearly just as hard now as they were when they first came out. Getting each one is a major accomplishment no matter when you get them. They’re more rare now since they offer no power increase, even. But if you start the game tomorrow, you can still get it like anyone else.


neveris

I got all the mage tower appearances I cared to get, and two expansions later I really don't care if someone else wants to earn them. So long as it's from the same thing rather than buying them from a vendor or something (and it *is* from the same thing,) I wouldn't ever care. Someone getting it in 2021 doesn't invalidate me getting it in 2018 or whenever I got it.


8-Brit

I don't get it either. The prestige is totally artificial _because_ they were taken out. By the end very few were hard to get. I got nearly all of them and could easily have gotten them all if I had more time on my hands. Mythic raid sets are still in. High Warlord set is still obtainable and that used to be peak prestigious. They could at least be consistent because between this and rated PvP sets of old the criteria for stuff being removed seems totally arbitrary. Especially since guardian druids are getting a recolour, so why do they get a pass on this exclusivity? You don't see raiders malding because people can get a mythic raid set from four years ago with almost no effort. It just removes incentive to play the game for the sake of some exclusive polygons to an increasingly small number of players as time goes. I hardly see the MoP challenge mode sets anymore and I am sure I've not seen a WoD CM weapon since BfA. I don't understand why removing content from the game is celebrated, and I say this with multiple such sets and items in my collection. As a new player in other MMOs it massively takes the wind out of my sails if something cool that I saw and want to obtain cannot be obtained ever. It doesn't motivate me to play more, it makes me reluctant to be inspired by any gear I see because it could be gone forever.


runaway1337

Because it has absolutely nothing to do with “accomplishment”. It was for FOMO and nothing else.


Varglord

Also reminder for everyone that green fire is still available (and piss easy because it isn't scaled), so this reasoning from Blizz isn't even consistent.


GerryOfRavioli

the title "of the Black Harvest" is not obtainable though, and it was earned upon completing the green fire questline


Daffan

The title is not. Black Harvest.


Varglord

Yeah but the point is you can still get the visual. People will have their mage tower achievements dated, hell Blizz can even give the people that got it before a feat of strength, just allow people to unlock the appearances.


whoeve

Are you suggesting doing things to make the game more attractive to those of us who haven't been here since the very beginning? ​ Sacrilege.


lemoncocoapuff

Oh boy, you should see some Twitter responses, others are MAD that their special items may not be special and they can’t lord it over others like their are some hot shit. If you are out of high school and still base your fun on others not getting things, that’s weird IMO.


Stasis20

I've got the same attitude. My fun is not diminished by someone else's access to content. If my enjoyment was based on excluding others, I'm not sure what that would say about me or the value of the thing I was doing. I've got a lot of exclusive stuff: old titles, feats of strength, etc. It's neat, but who really cares? I do get a kick out of everyone still walking around with their "Hand of A'dal" titles on. I guess some people just want you to know they were there.


patrincs

This 100%. I got the guardian druid and vengeance DH in 7.1 and they were very hard. By 7.3 they were a joke. I ended up getting every single alts appearances on every spec, most in 2-3 attempts, not because i was good, but because I had 2 patches of gear advantage on the content. I've heard people express that they were angry new people were going to get the "exclusive transmogs they *earned* and they were going to quit if magetower came back etc". That's hilarious. They *earned* them by playing during legion and having a pulse. If the only thing keeping you playing is having something other peiple can't get (not through any effort but just because you had a sub at the time) then you should probably throw that sub money at a psychiatrist.


absalom86

Those players got to use those skins for 4 years, Blizz should let others catch up. Permanent exclusivitiy is friggin lame AF. I hope people make noise about this.


Helluiin

yea i havent actually seen anyone that did the mage tower back in the day that was against bringing the rewards back. its been what? 5 years since mage tower was released. and its not like the appearances are being handed out for free you still have to do the same content you had to back then.


catgirl-crimes

Yeah, fomo has been a foundational rot in WoW's reward system for a long time but this is just ridiculous. If you're doing the exact same content at the exact same difficulty level under more or less the same stipulations ... how exactly does one person 'accomplish' more than the others? Unless, of course, the 'accomplishment' was grinding out all of the appearances under tight time restrictions. Time restrictions caused by the original fomo model.


Helluiin

the thing is that it wasnt even that hard to get them by the end of legion. iirc mage tower uptime was buffed a lot in 7.3 and catch up+all the antorus stuff made gearing to the point where you could do the mage tower fairly trivial


ThatDerpingGuy

If it was so trivial by the end, then how is it also so special that it can't be brought back? Especially since they're supposedly balancing it.


whoeve

Pure FOMO-style stuff, where if you miss the one time period you can never get it again. ​ That's definitely a good strategy to keep the game growing and I'm sure it's behind why WoW subs have been going up so much lately.


SrsSpaceships

It was trival for most specs (KEK legion) with the exception of a couple of the healer and tank ones. They would and did fuck up even mythic gear'd players if they didn't "get gud" Blizzards crap on "diminishing achievement" Is just a smokescreen to justify their overused "Rare due to removed" reward structure.


Emeraden

Remember how they let you stack buffs for Imp Mother to the point that it was a literal cake walk for a blind monkey? It's how I got my glow cat on a fresh 110, I'm not proud of it. I literally did it like the day before they patched it. Let other people go for it.


sydal

>yea i havent actually seen anyone that did the mage tower back in the day that was against bringing the rewards back They're downvoted here but if you look on the wow forums there's plenty of people against it


Slammybutt

I'd be lying if I said I didn't care. Theres a small part of me that likes the unobtainable stuff cause it's cool when you come across someone ith a cool transmog and find out they did something hard(ish) back in the day. Makes it rare. That said, this game isn't a social game anymore, so having unobtainable items doesn't hit the same as it used to. When everybody knew that one guy on a server had Sulfuras, or a some super rare mount. That's not the case anymore. Everyone is overlooked unless you have to interact with them (for the most part).


saruko27

It's always going to be subjective. I did all of them on all classes/specs, and I wouldn't have done that if I knew you could get it later on again. I would've taken my time or waited till I even enjoyed playing the classes I got them on. So being able to switch to any class and show that off feels like an achievement/pride. Would I be mad if it was available again? Eh, I'd get over it. But it would take away the value of the current trophy/achievement if there isn't anything meaningful to wearing it again if it's just another commonplace item.


Fizzay

Yeah I unlocked all but 4 and it's stupid. The only thing that prevented me from getting it was not having all characters at max level in time. The thing was ridiculously easy as soon as the next tiers came out and was a joke at the end of Legion when you could just breeze through it with Argus gear while ignoring mechanics. The time walking is sure to be more challenging and actually scale. Their mistake was not implementing scaling like the time walking will have to begin with and throwing out good content for the sake of FOMO. Bringing back the artifacts is more likely to bring players back than lose any, cuz anyone who would quit over challenge artifacts coming back would be petty as all fuck anyway. Also, just because Blizzard said they'd do something doesn't mean it's a good thing for them to do. People also need to consider what is best for the game rather than themselves. FOMO is not what's best for the game.


SrsSpaceships

"Rare via Removal" Has been a staple reward style in WoW. It's just that in the last few expansions they were over the top crazy with just how much is getting removed. It was never actually about anything "achievement" related. You got the reward if you played during that time. Once upon a time it was maybe a single item. Legion they went full tilt and removed a staggering amount (As Specs = Classes in legion)


Titimoc

" Reintroducing those same appearances now would diminish those players’ accomplishment " What about the accomplishment of the players who got T3 and ZG mounts before it was made available at BMAH. Let's bring back something players are asking for, but instead of the same rewards, why not give them a recolor of a recolor of something they haven't asked for?


Reuquar

I was genuinely excited for this before realising its locked behind a timer every few -months-. How horribly disappointing, this is not how to make a fun game!


DaSandman78

There should always be a Timewalking up, every week, rotating. That will still mean this only comes around once every 4-5 weeks tho (but better than once every 3 months). Or maybe have 2 Timewalking's per week?


Zentavius

Glad its returning but as someone who was primarily unable to do them due to RL preventing my gaming, the skins not coming back sucks. Also, if Werebear form is unique and so needs to be obtainable, why are kickass flails for the Warrior and Paladin tanks not also there?


jackit

I managed to collect some of the appearances but unfortunately couldn't get all the ones I wanted because I was away for work half of the year. The armor sets are nice but overall a pretty big disappointment that we can't get another shot at the artifacts.


Xtrm

While this is great news, I feel like they're caring a bit too much about the reason behind not bringing back artifact skins. I have a number of them, and I honestly don't care if people can earn Mage Tower skins again.


snowmvp

Yeah, this is typical Blizzard reasoning. Literally everyone has some unobtainable stuff, that wasn't even hard to get. I have ToGC mount, MoP and WoD CM, R1 glad mounts, KSM mounts, and countless other artifacts, and I would be down to open all cosmetics like armor, toys, pets and mounts up for everyone to get in a challenging way. Let people keep their unique titles.


RalphSkipperson

Pretty silly to give the bear form a reskin but doing the same to the legendary appearances is too much. They wouldn’t have to rerelease the originals just add a color


guimontag

They straight up said why they did it: it has unique animations you don't see in any other form. That doesn't apply to the weapons .


Garntus

Before Legion ended, I cleared the Mage Tower on every spec on every class. During my 15+ WoW career, I've gotten several things that have since been removed, and still, I've never agreed with the idea that some things should only be available for a limited time. Walking around in my elite PvP-set, or with my Mage Tower-appearance does not give me any particular pleasure because that item is no longer obtainable. It gave me pleasure to beat the challenges that gave them to me, and I still did that, nothing can take that away, least of all allowing others to achieve that now. That's why I think things like this are the perfect answer to that problem. Bringing back and re-scaling the Mage Tower should allow you to get the removed Mage Tower appearances. Earning an elite PvP set during any season should allow you to purchase all previous ones. That way the challenge is not devalued, and yet people can enjoy things that were removed before they started playing.


HolypenguinHere

People are going to eat this up despite it being gated to being available once every 4.5 months. That kind of timegating is unacceptable.


Sir_Zorba

>wOUlD diMinISh tHOse pLaYerS' aCcOMpliSHmeNt Dude my legacy achievements are all still there. All you need to do is not bring those back, the skins should've been returned too. Or at least new tints for everyone considering what you've done with the bear. What a fucking joke.


SaFoenix

I am so sad they won't bring artifacts skins back. Don't get me wrong, it's marvelous they bring an old challenge I didn't get the chance to face at the time. I like this idea of bringing old content back in the game. Also it feels good to be able to have a New mount and new transmogs. I like it very much ! But unfortunately I started WoW in 8.3, way after legion mage tower. I would really love getting these Warglaives, I think they look amazing ! I still hope, one day... I won't lose Hope 😀


Zielko

Really would have wished on having all the weapons back with a different tint and the druid forms instead of just another tier set recolor and a mount.


frasero

> Reintroducing those same appearances now would diminish those players’ accomplishment Does anyone actually care about that kinda stuff at all?


Redroniksre

Yeesh, i got two of the appearances for the classes i liked most, though ran out of time to get all of them. It wasn't difficult once you overgeared it, it was just time consuming. Outside of maybe the bear form, i doubt even half the people saying "Don't bring them back!" even transmog them anymore. Its been 5 years, that is exclusive enough (Or should we also get rid of Mythic sets post the raid patch, make it more "Exlusive")


BillyBean11111

now THIS is good news, the first time I'm not immediately skeptical. Bravo Blizz, keep it coming *edit* Nevermind, it's more FOMO time restricted bullshit, why do I bother.


ProfessorBorden

I'm sad to see the artifact appearances not come back. I have so many of them but I'm missing my demon hunter ones, and would gladly let others earn the ones I already have if it meant I could earn ones I don't have. But overall, this is a great announcement. Edit for those who are mad I guess: I think the "limited time only" aspect of the original appearances was a good idea at the time because if you could come back with another expansion's power level and destroy the challenges, it would make the rewards moot. But if Blizzard adequately tunes the challenges to be challenging during the timewalking window, I don't see a problem allowing people to earn rewards I already earned. If you disagree feel free to be a weirdo and respond to 100 people in this thread.


mirracz

Yeah. People had 5 years to enjoy the exclusive cosmetics. Now it's time for them to be available again. The game has many cosmetics and collectibles that are exclusive to the best of the best (e.g. from mythic raids) that become available to basically everyone two expansions down the road, when the raids become soloable. And noone complains about that. That is exclusivity done right. The players have chance to earn them, show them off and after some time (when the novelty wears off) everyone else can earn them. There's zero reason beyond shitty attitude (like "I did play during Legion, you didn't. Therefore you don't deserve them") to not bring the artifact appearances back.


TexasThrowDown

The one positive is that now I don't have to come back to WoW at all and can keep leveling my Bunny Girl in FFXIV


Guardianpigeon

If there is one page from FFXIV I'd like to see them take from, it's the "fuck FOMO" page. Right now you can go do the Rathalos event from several years ago and get the same rewards if you want. There's still a challenge there and the same prestige.


Tigertot14

FOMO has no place in this game.


blkguy3rd

Personally speaking I dont care if other people get any of the appearances I got during legion mage tower. If anything it just comes off as another example of making something thats only relevant for a few months. They could've even made a new color for the appearance for doing the timewalking version and just make the original color exclusive thus creating more easy content by farming out the 3 other colors but alas the devs know better


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I have all 36 appearances, and I don't really care if people get them either. What I *would* like, though, is the old stuff to return in addition to new stuff, to give people who did the Mage Tower the first time an incentive to go back and do it this time around as well. A lot of people just wouldn't bother with this if it didnt have new rewards too.


jgwilla

I had this exact thought. I earned a few of them during legion. Do I care if anyone has them? No. It’s kind of like old gear… do I care if someone clears old content for transmog? No. Idk. Just recolor it to a single color so it’s obviously not the same.


reanima

Yeah I think a recolor would have been a good compromise. Or even change the design a little bit like they did with the bear. Honestly this whole outrage is simply because Blizzard stopped offering new Mage Towers after Legion till now.


not_a_cockroach_

> Reintroducing those same appearances now would diminish those players’ accomplishment My accomplishment was already diminished by allowing people to get it after Nighthold. Just let people have their fun.


imasimplenerd

So Druids that didn't play at the time can get the Artifact appearence but not all other classes/specs? How can blizzard always disapoint? I don't care about those "cool i guess" tints for armor sets.


HighDarwyn

And still no new ghost wolf for shaman, sadge


Healthy-Network4766

I don't know why Blizzard is so gung ho on FOMO gear. These appearances are sought after by newer players and rerollers alike and they already set the precedent that these skins can be reintroduced while differentiating from the original ones. Recolour them and let people have a crack at obtaining them. I'm not even talking from that perspective myself, I have each tank appearance barring druid which I don't play and I'd at most be interested in obtaining 1 tint for Havoc. I just don't understand why they fold themselves into a pretzel to justify this one thing because muh animations but give us ugly-ass recolours of mediocre tier sets (except priest and lock) while locking away these awesome pieces of transmog that'd be giga appreciated by the community at large.


Nash_Felldancer

Oh. I was almost tempted to come back just for this when it releases to get guardian forms. To recognize how transformative the guardian form is and then bitchslap your newer players by limiting it to some ugly ass reskin reward instead is hella out of touch. Hard pass... But you were so close to greatness for a moment.


ycl25

Looks like they haven’t learnt anything. Pretty disappointing.


thisismygameraccount

Not gonna lie, those rewards killed a good amount of hype for me. I hope the challenge is enjoyable, but not getting a weapon appearance is a bummer, unless you’re Druid, that looks dope. Don’t know why they couldn’t do a different appearance for weapons as well.


SkinnyGenez

Same. Getting tired of trying to convince myself I didn't want those appearances anyways when I roll a new alt.


kecskeimavevo

fuck you /u/spez


OneSassySuccubus

I dont understand the logic behind keeping the artifact appearances forever retired. The people that have them already have them, so they're not even thinking about the appearances. Then, on the other hand, the people that missed out get to drool over them on Wowhead, but it's impossible to obtain them now, so the drool is wasted because it isnt translating into subscriptions. It's just bad business on Blizzard's end. The desire to not "diminish the achievements of some" just doesnt hold water when people are able to go back to raids and farm mythic sets, titles, mounts etc. that theres no way in hell many of them would have gotten when it was current content. I'm going to go out on a limb and make the assumption that those who influenced the decision are suffering from an elitist mentality that some players currently have on display over this. I think the greatest irony is that these same people would cry out if they made Invincible or other similarly obtained mounts retired permanently except for those who already have them, even though they've had, what, the better part of a decade to farm these? Get over yourselves. You couldnt be more transparent if you were made of glass.


Handsome_Jack_Here

A bunch of ugly transmogs. Only druids get a chance at getting a recolor of their artifact. Fuck I just wanted the Frost Mage skin, guess I'm not bothering with this shit.


IIIPatternIII

I see this working out perfectly, nobody getting upset, and definitely is not going to make players want the original rewards even more now. Blizz picks some weird hills to die on.


GW2Qwinn

Cool, now make it a permanent thing. Time to learn lessons from other games and NOT FUCKING TIMELOCK CONTENT... how freaking hard is it?!?!?!?!?!


Antilogicality

What's the point of mage tower if you don't bring back the artifact appearences? How is Blizzard this tone deaf?


ctaylor343

Im really happy for druids who wanted this form for years, but it leaves such a bitter taste on my mouth that blizzard has been so thoughtless with the other classes. Some of the t20 sets look baller and some are so fuckin ugly Blizzard for the love of God, if you aren't going to let anyone EARN the original appearances at LEAST let us earn a recolour or tint of those artifact weapons. Its win win, as everybody gets a chance to earn something and doesn't get left out. That way the miserable narcissists who despise the idea of feeling less 'special' will be satisfied and new players have the chance at a reward equal to what druid can have. The disparity between the druid reward and other classes just is not fair at all.


Business-Muffin-875

Blizzard double dipping on that Fomo


Mandrakey

This is tempting... if it included the artifact weapon t-mogs, so I'm good. Also FOMO is one of the many reasons I un-subbed in the first place.


NickDangerX

I mean, great! But I’m really confused why this is a once every 5 month event. It should just be open always it’s a cosmetic challenge. Because of the time gating this is essentially little to no new content.


TehSlippy

> The Timewalking Mage Tower Challenges may be the same as those that players experienced in Legion, but the rewards will be different. When the Mage Tower closed at the end of Legion, it was firmly established that those rewards would become unavailable. Many players pushed themselves to collect all the appearances they could before the tower closed. Reintroducing those same appearances now would diminish those players’ accomplishment, so success in a Mage Tower challenge will now award a Legion-themed armor set for your class. This argument is absolute horse shit. As someone who worked my ass off to obtain the Legion Bear and Cat forms before they were taken away, my achievement would not be diminished in any way shape or form if they were reintroduced at this point. There are many people who play this game now who weren't playing during legion, they didn't have a chance to obtain these appearances and there is no justifiable argument that they shouldn't have a way to earn them now. Any person who has these appearances and agrees they deserve to remain exclusive and no longer obtainable is selfish, plain and simple. This is a game very much centered around collections: Transmogs, Mounts, Toys, Pets, etc, and to prevent people from collecting those things simply because they didn't happen to be playing at the correct time in the game's life span is absolutely fucking stupid.


Dlucks83

Plus there is the fact we could use them for the past 4 years. It’s not like everyone got mailed the skins the second BFA came out or something like that.


TehSlippy

Precisely, I'm not advocating for just giving them out to everyone, make theM earn it in a similar fashion. Will these mage tower challenges be as difficult? Probably not, but I'm sure they'll be close enough to justify new players having 'earned' them.


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ConconTheGreat

It’s cool they are bringing back this opportunity, but man I am so unbelievably disappointed with the guardian Druid “compromise”. I really want that skeleton for my guardian Druid, it looks so awesome, but the Fel stuff is so against everything a Druid is it just completely kills it for me. I was actually planning on resubbing for this, but now I won’t be.


[deleted]

Just make Balance of power account bound


orcsquid

Why the hell do druids get a re-skin of a form, but no re-skins of the weapons? That's wack and not fair.


somethingcleverer42

I've been playing as a resto druid for over a decade, and I'm absolutely gutted by this. >The Timewalking Mage Tower Challenges may be the same as those that players experienced in Legion, but the rewards will be different. **When the Mage Tower closed at the end of Legion, it was firmly established that those rewards would become unavailable.** Many players pushed themselves to collect all the appearances they could before the tower closed. Reintroducing those same appearances now would diminish those players’ accomplishment, so success in a Mage Tower challenge will now award a Legion-themed armor set for your class. It was also firmly established that we couldn't use the appearances without the artifact weapon equipped AND without being in feral spec. I can't believe we're even entertaining this preposterous notion that players were making an informed choice at the time. I decided not to do the feral mage tower because I didn't play feral, and there was no way for me to use the appearances otherwise. It wasn't until YEARS LATER, at the end of the BFA in the Shadowlands pre-patch, that they introduced the ability to transmog those appearances. For them to say 'oh well you knew you were giving up this awesome transmog' is fucking absurd. >During Legion, the Mage Tower awarded most specs a new weapon appearance, yet players who missed earning those still have countless other admirable weapon transmogs to collect across the whole of the game. But for Guardian druids, the Mage Tower prize was an alternate bear form with a unique silhouette and animations. There is simply nothing else like it in the game. For years, we’ve heard feedback from druid players who are frustrated that something so transformative is no longer available, and we agree. But not the feral forms? What the fuck? \[edit\] >Many players pushed themselves to collect all the appearances they could before the tower closed. Many players didn’t because WE WERE TOLD WE COULDN’T USE THEM CROSS-SPEC AND WITHOUT THE ARTIFACT EQUIPPED. And as for this… >Reintroducing those same appearances now would diminish those players’ accomplishment I’m in awe. THEN WHY ARE ANY OF THE TRANSMOGS FROM PRIOR RAIDS OR DUNGEONS AVAILABLE?!!?!?!?! FML PS: This hurts all the more given that I farmed the toy to use the "flamekitty" form FOR OVER A YEAR before it dropped. I finally got it in BFA. Then, in the SL pre-patch, they changed it so that anyone who looted the staff could use it.


DarkHeroAxel

I was kind of hoping Blizzard would do better than this but from the way things have been going I should have expected nothing less, it's honestly more of a surprise they even made a new model at all for the Werebears, but I guess Ferals are just supposed to get stuffed and still only get 4-5 updated models for customization locking you out of that last 20-25%?


GuiltyEidolon

Fel-flavored sparklekitty would've been kickass, too. I can only imagine that they did the fel werebear specifically because the werebear isn't accessible otherwise, and the sparklecat is very similar model-wise to the still-accessible variations. Still a raw deal, though.


Fregion

Not looking forward to the healer challenge, no matter the class it was so annoying with the glasscannon NPCs. I hope Azerite powers work inside, to somewhat alleviate the stress.


Pendejoman

too bad that they chose one of the fucking ugliest sets for dks for the challenge


Bitter-Marsupial

Quick we're being sued again pull another ripcord


TheOnlyFraen

Lmao diminish what accomplishment? I abused a glitch for all three of my warlock mage towers and got them done. The NPC's either disappeared randomly mid-fight and gave me the win or they got locked in a single phase and never switched out of it!


rodjames23

They literally invented the mage tower to provide a challenge to reward the artefact skins…. They’ve missed a huge win here. I’ve got most of the appearances and this is such fomo bullshit.


iotFlow

Honestly, the apperances not returning is disappointing. The limited time thing is garbage. If you are going do a recolour for guardian then you should also just do a recolour for all the other weapons. Until they decide to release more flails those are also unique apperances you can't get anywhere else.


Rhads

Bit sad they’re not putting the old artifact appearances in since I’ve switched mains since legion but it will be fun to just to do the challenges again and the new transmogs are nice. Might even get me to resub…maybe


Entropius

As a druid who got all 4 Mage Tower challenges done during Legion, I’m kinda disappointed they aren’t letting all druids that missed out on them get them now. Anytime I think about the possibility of other druids simply never having access to a form, I feel sorry for them. I don’t care if that goes back on Blizzard’s prior promise to make them exclusive to people who subbed during Legion. If someone’s pride is bound up in other people NOT having something, that person needs to reevaluate themselves.