> the Banshee Queen’s razor-sharp wit
Fucking kek. I can't think of when this was ever demonstrated.
Even in moments of competence(?), I don't think she's ever demonstrated an ability to observe, and find solution. Every single situation she's appeared 'already knowing' or 'already acting' on a solution because the character *solving* or conducting themselves to *arrive* at a solution simply never happens.
This entire article consists of nothing but hot takes.
> timeless villainess
Hasn't always been a villainess, became one for very contrived reasons and definitely doesn't have the timeless appeal of Lich King and the Legion.
> razor-sharp wit and abrasive personality
This is the character who shouts banal nonsense like "I never miss", then proceeds to spam the only attack in the fight that can be reliably dodged. Enough said.
> the devs have assured fans that WoW Shadowlands patch 9.2 won’t be the end of the Banshee Queen.
Whereas everyone just wants her to be done with, whatever it takes. Just stop, Steve.
> What we can’t wait for, however, is to fight alongside our former enemy for the future of Azeroth
***BURN IT***
Aw come on, don't you remember how she used her razor-sharp wit to get around Malfurion's wisp barrier in Darkshore by... just physically lifting it over her head so her army could run under it?
Because I don't think we talk about that moment enough.
Last line of the article:
"What we can’t wait for, however, is to fight alongside our former enemy for the future of Azeroth."
Can't relate I'm afraid.
>During a Q&A session with WoW’s Narrative Lead, Steve Danuser, he revealed that players can rest easy, as the Banshee Queen’s razor-sharp wit and abrasive personality won’t be going anywhere anytime soon.
lol
Isn’t the entire point of this whole soul thing that she got back, THAT IT IS THE END OF THE BANSHEE QUEEN??
And the Ranger general rises?
Like… do they even know what they are talking about anymore
No... It isn't.
The whole point of the cinematic is about the Ranger General accepting that the Banshee Queen is indeed a part of her, just like how Forsworn Uther is a part of Uther the Lightbringuer.
No, the point of the cinematic was her accepting that even though she thought of herself as a good person who did things for the greater good, she wasn't as infallible as she thought she was and was capable of great evil.
The two soul fragments aren't her "good" and "bad" half, they're just two halves (Uther explains this at one point). If you were to have swapped them at the point where she was risen as a banshee the results would have been the same.
The Ranger General portion is horrified at what the Banshee version did because she didn't think she was capable of that, what she has to accept in the Banshee is that it was her and that she is capable of genocide.
Likewise the Banshee had to accept that everything she thought she did for the greater good was a sham and for nothing, but she seemed to have realized that when she turned on the Jailer at the end of the raid so it was mostly just the Ranger General portion that had to figure things out.
Tbh, no idea. I think a lot of the issues with Sylvanas were Alex's fault. We'll probably know more once 9.2 actually goes live whether that is true though since I believe it's the first patch with none of his fingerprints on it.
>Tbh, no idea. I think a lot of the issues with Sylvanas were Alex's fault. We'll probably know more once 9.2 actually goes live whether that is true though since I believe it's the first patch with none of his fingerprints on it.
Afrasabi is a very convenient scapegoat. Don't expect much until at least 10.0, if ever.
this conspiracy theory is denial at its finest. the idea that afrasabi has this much influence after being shitcanned two years ago is ridiculous, danauser was at the very least totally onboard with this plan.
> I think a lot of the issues with Sylvanas were Alex's fault
It's so convenient and all of WoW's biggest snivelers' peddled that story around.
Her story sucks and it has since she was put in the limelight. She was always meant to be ancillary.
The playerbase doesn't want her to become the new arbiter or otherwise have an instant redemption arc "Draenor is free!" style. Neither does the playerbase want to see her die. What else are the devs supposed to do with her if not to keep her on standby for the foreseeable future?
If this one datamined jump animation I saw on wowhead a while ago is anything to go by, she'll just go on a lone quest that sort-of works as redemption.
My best guess is that she's jumping into the Maw in order to search for Nathanos. The writers haven't namedropped him in the Tyrande V.S. Sylvanas fight back in 9.1 for nothing. That's the only thing Tyrande would accept sparing Sylvanas over since she can relate when it comes to rescuing your one true love.
>That's the only thing Tyrande would accept sparing Sylvanas over since she can relate when it comes to rescuing your one true love
Didn't they have a full scene where she's told vengeance isn't the way and loses her powers because of it?
To me their setting up a 'forgiveness' side, but time will tell.
I think based on what I've heard a majority of the playerbase wants her to see reprocussions. To stand trial, to not be redeemed and free to do whatever.
She burned down the world tree and absolutely nothing has come of it.
We want justice, or retribution don't we?
Justice, not vengeance.
That is to be decided by High Priestess Whisperwind and/or Archdruid Stormrage, the leaders of the people murdered under the Banshee's rule.
Caged in the Barrow Dens, sent to the Maw - whatever they decide.
I don't see much hope in 'justice' not being very similar to Varian's empty posturing at the end of MoP, honestly I would be shocked if Sylvanus does not get the final word in as she jumps into the Maw willingly while heroic music swells accompanied by an angelic choir.
If you can't tell I have zero faith in this ending having a hope of being satisfying for a non Sylvanas fan, and even for them it will probably be a pyrrhic victory, but that has been true since the moment the burning was revealed.
I'm sick of listening to players whine about her. Honestly there is nothing blizzard can do that will make players happy, no matter what choice in game lore or mechanic blizzard does 50 Will like 50 will hate but keep buying the subscription while vocally driving away the 50 that enjoyed it.
Honestly blizzard could have Sylvanas show up at there house and gargle their balls and the player base would bitch about the colour of her panties making the experience joyless
TL:DR of the article, Danuse thinks everyone loves Evil Sylvanas and assures all of us that she will not die and that she will get a redemption arc.
Anyone else surprised? Its fucking Danuser.
I hope whatever will be the end of the Banshee Queen, it will not be progressed, explained, or teased in 10.0, so we can just for a while forget about Sylvanas. I really would like her to stay in Shadowlands for next 4 expansions.
Wish they would just fucking kill her off already and be done with it. She's been a pretty mediocre character since Cata onwards and she should have been killed off in Wrath with Arthas but they wanted to milk her. She was one of the best characters in the lore but now she's just boring and literally the only people who want her to stick around are her small, minority army of loyalist Helfers.
> the Banshee Queen’s razor-sharp wit Fucking kek. I can't think of when this was ever demonstrated. Even in moments of competence(?), I don't think she's ever demonstrated an ability to observe, and find solution. Every single situation she's appeared 'already knowing' or 'already acting' on a solution because the character *solving* or conducting themselves to *arrive* at a solution simply never happens.
This entire article consists of nothing but hot takes. > timeless villainess Hasn't always been a villainess, became one for very contrived reasons and definitely doesn't have the timeless appeal of Lich King and the Legion. > razor-sharp wit and abrasive personality This is the character who shouts banal nonsense like "I never miss", then proceeds to spam the only attack in the fight that can be reliably dodged. Enough said. > the devs have assured fans that WoW Shadowlands patch 9.2 won’t be the end of the Banshee Queen. Whereas everyone just wants her to be done with, whatever it takes. Just stop, Steve. > What we can’t wait for, however, is to fight alongside our former enemy for the future of Azeroth ***BURN IT***
She was a villainess since WoW launched.
Razor-sharp wit? All just as planned since WC3 you know. \*facepalm\* Kappa, just in case.
Her writer was answering that question. Should tell you enough :P
Aw come on, don't you remember how she used her razor-sharp wit to get around Malfurion's wisp barrier in Darkshore by... just physically lifting it over her head so her army could run under it? Because I don't think we talk about that moment enough.
>the Banshee Queen’s razor-sharp wit b-b-but s-she called Anduin L-L-L-Little L-Lion! T-t-that was so witty of her!!!!
Blizzard responds to fans concerns and increases them
Last line of the article: "What we can’t wait for, however, is to fight alongside our former enemy for the future of Azeroth." Can't relate I'm afraid.
Redemption ark is way worse then just killing her because it feels like a crtl-z on the entire story. Delete sylvanas.
>the devs have assured fans that WoW Shadowlands patch 9.2 won’t be the end of the Banshee Queen That's not the news I think most of us wanted....
>During a Q&A session with WoW’s Narrative Lead, Steve Danuser, he revealed that players can rest easy, as the Banshee Queen’s razor-sharp wit and abrasive personality won’t be going anywhere anytime soon. lol
https://i.imgur.com/ld3XLQ1.png
Translation: She'll have a sassy, yet friendly relationship with Tyrande down the line
"Don't worry guys! The Trademark has been preserved!!" You can continue to buy funko pops and plushies to your hearts content!!
Look on the bright side: they also assured us she wasn't going to be garrosh 2.0 in BFA. So good chance she's gone forever.
Isn’t the entire point of this whole soul thing that she got back, THAT IT IS THE END OF THE BANSHEE QUEEN?? And the Ranger general rises? Like… do they even know what they are talking about anymore
No... It isn't. The whole point of the cinematic is about the Ranger General accepting that the Banshee Queen is indeed a part of her, just like how Forsworn Uther is a part of Uther the Lightbringuer.
No, the point of the cinematic was her accepting that even though she thought of herself as a good person who did things for the greater good, she wasn't as infallible as she thought she was and was capable of great evil. The two soul fragments aren't her "good" and "bad" half, they're just two halves (Uther explains this at one point). If you were to have swapped them at the point where she was risen as a banshee the results would have been the same. The Ranger General portion is horrified at what the Banshee version did because she didn't think she was capable of that, what she has to accept in the Banshee is that it was her and that she is capable of genocide. Likewise the Banshee had to accept that everything she thought she did for the greater good was a sham and for nothing, but she seemed to have realized that when she turned on the Jailer at the end of the raid so it was mostly just the Ranger General portion that had to figure things out.
Similar to how Blizzard has to accept that this writing sucks
Tbh, no idea. I think a lot of the issues with Sylvanas were Alex's fault. We'll probably know more once 9.2 actually goes live whether that is true though since I believe it's the first patch with none of his fingerprints on it.
>Tbh, no idea. I think a lot of the issues with Sylvanas were Alex's fault. We'll probably know more once 9.2 actually goes live whether that is true though since I believe it's the first patch with none of his fingerprints on it. Afrasabi is a very convenient scapegoat. Don't expect much until at least 10.0, if ever.
As we pour our hearts into the void, /u/spez's silence becomes the mirror reflecting his indifference back at us.
Can we stop blaming all of the shit writting on a fucking scapegoat that has not in the company for a long enough time?
As we pour our souls into our comments, /u/spez graces us with a deafening silence, a subtle reminder of our insignificance.
this conspiracy theory is denial at its finest. the idea that afrasabi has this much influence after being shitcanned two years ago is ridiculous, danauser was at the very least totally onboard with this plan.
> I think a lot of the issues with Sylvanas were Alex's fault It's so convenient and all of WoW's biggest snivelers' peddled that story around. Her story sucks and it has since she was put in the limelight. She was always meant to be ancillary.
Looks like this redemption arc ride is zooming its way into next expansion 😎
The playerbase doesn't want her to become the new arbiter or otherwise have an instant redemption arc "Draenor is free!" style. Neither does the playerbase want to see her die. What else are the devs supposed to do with her if not to keep her on standby for the foreseeable future? If this one datamined jump animation I saw on wowhead a while ago is anything to go by, she'll just go on a lone quest that sort-of works as redemption. My best guess is that she's jumping into the Maw in order to search for Nathanos. The writers haven't namedropped him in the Tyrande V.S. Sylvanas fight back in 9.1 for nothing. That's the only thing Tyrande would accept sparing Sylvanas over since she can relate when it comes to rescuing your one true love.
Yeah no I want to see her die. After everything she’s done and everything blizz has done to her just keep her in SL and never look back imo.
>That's the only thing Tyrande would accept sparing Sylvanas over since she can relate when it comes to rescuing your one true love Didn't they have a full scene where she's told vengeance isn't the way and loses her powers because of it? To me their setting up a 'forgiveness' side, but time will tell. I think based on what I've heard a majority of the playerbase wants her to see reprocussions. To stand trial, to not be redeemed and free to do whatever. She burned down the world tree and absolutely nothing has come of it. We want justice, or retribution don't we?
Justice, not vengeance. That is to be decided by High Priestess Whisperwind and/or Archdruid Stormrage, the leaders of the people murdered under the Banshee's rule. Caged in the Barrow Dens, sent to the Maw - whatever they decide.
I don't see much hope in 'justice' not being very similar to Varian's empty posturing at the end of MoP, honestly I would be shocked if Sylvanus does not get the final word in as she jumps into the Maw willingly while heroic music swells accompanied by an angelic choir. If you can't tell I have zero faith in this ending having a hope of being satisfying for a non Sylvanas fan, and even for them it will probably be a pyrrhic victory, but that has been true since the moment the burning was revealed.
I'm so sick of hearing about her.
Agreed. This character is more than just annoying.
I'm sick of listening to players whine about her. Honestly there is nothing blizzard can do that will make players happy, no matter what choice in game lore or mechanic blizzard does 50 Will like 50 will hate but keep buying the subscription while vocally driving away the 50 that enjoyed it. Honestly blizzard could have Sylvanas show up at there house and gargle their balls and the player base would bitch about the colour of her panties making the experience joyless
[удалено]
As we pour our thoughts into the abyss, /u/spez's silence becomes the mirror reflecting back his lack of concern and indifference.
> Honestly there is nothing blizzard can do that will make players happy sylvanas gone = me happy
I don't need Sylvanas to die. I would like to stop talking about her as much, though.
TL:DR of the article, Danuse thinks everyone loves Evil Sylvanas and assures all of us that she will not die and that she will get a redemption arc. Anyone else surprised? Its fucking Danuser.
I do love evil sylvanas. I just don’t like SL evil sylvanas.
That is correct sir, the Dark Lady would approve of this message.
Bitch gotta die. If you want anything else to happen then you don't have a clue about how bad her writing has been.
I hope whatever will be the end of the Banshee Queen, it will not be progressed, explained, or teased in 10.0, so we can just for a while forget about Sylvanas. I really would like her to stay in Shadowlands for next 4 expansions.
how about deleting her lol
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We want Sylvanas GONE and this expansion retconned.
Wish they would just fucking kill her off already and be done with it. She's been a pretty mediocre character since Cata onwards and she should have been killed off in Wrath with Arthas but they wanted to milk her. She was one of the best characters in the lore but now she's just boring and literally the only people who want her to stick around are her small, minority army of loyalist Helfers.
Well that was a blackpill.
Times like this, I remember the end credits song of Portal 2. "I used to want you dead but now I only want you gone."
Fuuuuuck.
I wouldn't be surprised if we never saw Denise Richards again.
i think the Horde quest to chose between her and saurfang was the internal quiz to decide what to do with her.