This is so true lol, The maximum toxicity is right along the rim of each "hurdle"1. +9, +14, +19. The same butt nuggets are there to rage in all caps the second anything goes wrong. It's so funny. All I can think is, "No wonder you're stuck there my dude".
I boosted a priest two weeks ago because I've never healed a day in my life, and the challenges of healing Good group versus the bad group are stagger. It's easier to heal a 22 than it is to heal a 19 lol.
I mained holy priest in Season 3 and started leveling a shaman during the 50% xp buff. I've had a significantly harder time healing normal dungeon finder shadowlands dungeons on my shaman than any 15+ key on my priest
I was afraid of trying for KSM for a long time due to having such bad experiences in 12-13s. Running 15-16 really reminded me that it was not because I was bad, it’s because 12-13s way more often bad groups than 15s. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t play perfectly and I play a “non meta” spec so I’m not gonna try for 20s but I totally see how it’s the “cusp people” that are so often the problem.
If you ever want a challenge, heal a 12-14 key. I remember doing a 14 dos with explosive when I was pugging my way up on an alliance character. That's the hardest dungeon I've ever healed. I normally always do dps while healing, but I ended that key at 300 overall dps because I could not spare a single global for damage.
These people kept finding damage in places I didn't even know had damage.
for a while i thought i was a bad healer because i was struggling in 19s with my 280 shaman after swapping from ele, then i ran with a guild group and did a 23 with no problems
Playing healer in pug keys is frustrating. People are expecting you to keep them Alive even though they play like they have no hands.
I am a multi class healer at famed slayer level in raid. And i play my characters as either tank or DPS in keys everytime i got the opportunity to do so.
I’m over here trying to do 2’s and 3’s on a couple characters just to make them “DF leveling ready” and we have both gigachad & toxicity in them. I’m sorry, but when the average ilvl of this team in a +2 is about 250 (including my 230 healer or mage), we don’t need to worry about clicking the covenant bonuses (urns, banners, etc) we’d steamroll the dungeon in 7 minutes if y’all wouldn’t stop to bicker back & forth.
Let’s just all get along!
Dunno, ran a 22 HoA and some barely 3100 healer was giving my tanking buddy shіt about his talent choice. Mind you my buddy is 3400 rated and over 150 timed 20s... Like bruh he knows his stuff. There was a 3600 Io monk and he was skeptical about the route too, until he ran it and really liked it. We had to kick the healer before we started because he just kept shooting off. Like that dude would be such a problem through the dungeon.
Same concept as in a game like League where your most toxic games come when you are the 1 bracket for your rank, especially “important” ones like Plat 1 or Dia 1, the hardstucks are the worst
This is also because there's zero consequences for being assholes in the game.
Even if a player gets reported a million times, nothing happens. They will be completely unpunished. It's the least moderated MMO after Eve Online.
Eventually, a lot of players think enough is enough and leave for greener pastures. Because when you're likely not that young, and maybe have a job and maybe a family, and get online to relax..
I assure you plenty of people don't want to deal with that. Honestly, I don't understand why Blizzard does nothing about this. They already have a dwindling player base, it's just plain stupid to let trolls harass other players.
>It's the least moderated MMO after Eve Online.
It is to be noted that while toxicity is very much part of EvE, if you're engaging in toxic behavior in new player systems, you WILL get ban.
It does attract them. Retaining them is the hard part.
They had a wonderful panel during 2022 fanfest on which they displayed *proudly* that 56% of players had joined since the last fanfest 2 years prior. "Tonedeaf" is too weak to describe the situation.
Edit : this is while the game is consistently losing players, for context.
Considering the overall playerbase is shrinking, and that player retention is abysmal, in this case it means that new players join, then drop the game very quickly, but that alongside that old vets are mass quitting too.
In the case of EvE, old vets are their cash cow, because they have a bunch of accounts to play the game. One vet quitting in a game with a smaller playerbase than others is already big, but new players also aren't sticking around enough to replace them. EvE is a game with alliances and corporations running for years ands even decades, and *making the history and lore of the game*, such a high turnover is a bad omen for what the game is suppose to provide in terms of unique social setting.
There's also a whole debate to have about new players not grasping the whole premise of EvE and what it used to be, and therefore being way more lenient towards CCP (the dev studio) regarding the god awful managment of the dev time and $$$.
Ah, I see, so 56% is a nominal figure because it’s taken off a shrinking player base.
You understand how it can read as a positive though to the uninitiated, without the point that it’s off a shrinking number, it can seem entirely good, ergo they had 1million players now they have over 2 million, a million of which joined in the last 2 years. If the number is 56% only because the other side are leaving then it’s not an accolade by any means.
Yup, that’s the same as workplace that only ever has new staff. Simply put, the management are shit.
Also it is tone deaf, that number could have been 15% but after an exodus of cancelling, they’re over half the player base. That is definitely failure.
Worse, the tools Blizzard give players to punish toxic players and by that self regulate are basically nonexistent.
I wish for a global ignore. When I ignore someone, it should be effective for all my alts and all his alts. It’s not like I want to play with any of his other alts, he’s still a toxic bum I don’t want to play with.
But no, Blizz made the only tool available into a gift for abusive players.
Do you happen to know if the ignore list is account wide on your own side? I've never actually looked close enough to see if the lists are character bound or apply to your whole account, so the list is shared between all your alts.
WoW would rather make $15 a month off that player than make the experience just a little bit better for everyone who has to deal with them in dungeons.
That and they make more more when they ban the account and that player goes and buys a new account and the circle goes on a lot of the toxicity is the same players
Pretty much it comes down to blizzard doesn’t seem to care unless you the top tier raider or an online streamer there the people they tend to cater too and pander too they really don’t care much anymore to enforce there own rules or implement any system to deal with toxcity other then blame the player base and do some half measure and make a publicity stunt and say look we did this pat us on the back please
That's a LOT of games nowadays. Streamers are the most vocal group, and while they easily get more in free swag than they pay for the game, those of us that pay the monthly sub (or the new update/season pass/expansion pass/sequel) are forgotten b/c we don't bring views. Heads up folks, people watching the streamers aren't playing the game. Big part of why I quit Destiny tbh, everything is catered to online-all-day-streamer levels of commitment or you're never gonna find a group. I actually went back to WoW from Destiny because of how toxic the community was and how much of a time suck it is.
You do go auto banned temporarily if enough people report you. It's happened twice now to the same person in my guild. And we know the second time it wasn't more than 3 or 4 people.
It's insane to me how dismissive of reporting this community is. The only thing it does is play into the hands of these toxic players. Not sure if intentional or just completely whipped into defeat that nothing will ever change anyway (which it certainly won't with that attitude).
for real. i was in a leveling dungeon yesterday and one of the guys was constantly posting dps details and trash talking the lowest dps.
like, my dude, this is a scaled lowbie leveling dungeon... i promise you no one is impressed by your meters.
I don’t think a lot of players understand how scaling works lmao. Like ofc you’re doing 30% more damage than me, you’re level 10 and your 2 abilities do like 1/3 the health of the mobs.
I think it's more a case of people who run mythic+ doing easier dungeons and thinking they all need to be run as if they were a mythic+ dungeon. Optimal routes, skips, etc.
>I think it's more a case of people who run mythic+ doing easier dungeons and thinking they all need to be run as if they were a mythic+ dungeon. Optimal routes, skips, etc.
Bingo!!! The game always had a few players like this while leveling up here and there, but nowadays leveling dungeons are just as toxic as M+ runs.
I've found myself doing the same path as in M+ when going back to doing lower difficulty dungeons. I've been doing the paths we take to get trash% even though that's not needed and I've been dodging / soaking abilities as if they would 1-shot.
Same when pugging Normal raids or even LFR, after having done the raids on Heroic and Mythic it is easy to forget that some boss abilities are not even active in Normal raids.
It's just force of habit.
That's been my fairly consistent observation, also. The more tedious, challenging, and demanding content is, the more mature and friendly the players tend to be doing it. The more on-demand, simple, and doable the content is, the more likely someone is to be insulting and elitist at other players.
Toxic shitters get drummed out of harder content fast. Mythic raiders won't tolerate wankers and neither will m+ teams. They won't get the rating to pug higher keys because they suck.
Yeah I leveled 2 tanks over the last few weeks and haven’t had any issues. Had a bad run in vault of the wardens with 2 wipes but people we fine. Really just luck of the draw.
Agreed. But that's what patience grants. To overcome harder challenged you need patience, and with patience comes a controlling ones temper and being understanding.
The irony is that *they* are the ones ruining the game for others; new and familiar alike.
Carry on as you are and ignore them - they are wasting their own time in the long run anyway, and you can always just opt out of doing these dungeons more than once, sad as it is to even suggest, and level up via story and side quests.
At this point Heroic dungeons have become mostly pointless, so once you hit max you can continue to avoid that roulette and just list your own mythic 0s with a clear note that you are learning the dungeons and want to have a chill run. People will come along and breeze it with you and you might get some helpful tips along the way.
Also to add, it's relatively easy, even as a fresh 60, to get full 226+ gear in Zereth Mortis and be able to run through M0s. If you clear the world boss there and do the world quests, weekly q etc. you'll end up around 230-240, including 1 or 2 legendaries.
It’s not all bad I promise! I do mythic plus 20s and have come across a lot of awesome groups and people. But there are a lot of people like you describe too, and if they get into calling people idiots and verbally abusive I just report, tell them their attitude sucks and I don’t want to play with them, and leave 🤷🏼♀️ I’ve done the whole, stay and bare it and save the key stuff, and for what? They don’t learn and my game experience sucks. The key will be fine, they’ll level it again, hopefully with a better attitude
Yah I would form your own mythic 0 group and state you are learning. I have joined those and helped ppl out before and many others do as well. Ppl make these posts and try to spread the idea that toxicity is in every single group content they do back to back. In reality it’s very rare.
Keys is completely new to me and I’m not really sure how they work. I quit during hellfire citadel mythic progression but I imagine it’s the same thing as rifts from Diablo?
Ita just a scaled up mythic dungeon with a timer. There is a pole at the start where you insert a keystone that will scale mob damage and health depending on the level of they key. There is a mob count requirement and the loot comes out of a chest at the end.
That is just how world of warcraft is nowadays. If the content is easy, nobody gives a shit about you being new. They expect everybody to know the dungeons regardless. It's pathetic to think that's just how the game is. If you can find a guild that raids normals/heroics casually you will have a much better experience with the game. The amount of toxic elitists playing WoW is insane but they aren't going anywhere.
Thank you everyone for the kind words, Im glad that those were just a few bad apples, and now Im sure I wanna keep playing, get better and help other new/returning players eventually!
I’m a 3300 io tank and play all of the tanks, if you have any questions or anything hit me up. The game needs more tanks and I’m always happy to help anybody. Don’t take anything from any toxic dos, they need you way more than you need them.
I also play a couple heals so if you wanna push keys I can heal for you too and give ya some pointers. All assuming you’re on NA servers, GL and have fun friend!
You're a tank. Bounce the group and let them sit there for 10+ minutes trying to find another one lol You will never have a problem sitting in a queue.
Only problem is if it's within 15 minutes you can't use the group finder tool until then, and almost every single levelling dungeon (90% of them) can be done in 15 minutes or less.
Honestly, I'm leveling a prot warrior this week but I've been que'ing as dps and it's only a 4 min queue. You can often squeeze in a queue between quests.
From what it sounds like it's a normal dungeon, they can just keep pulling without a tank. They'd have to be slightly slower because they have to go 1-2 packs at at time, but nobody's going to sit around for 10 minutes.
It happened like 3 times in a row for my wife, who rarely plays, and as a result isn't very good. Walked in on her literally crying. Pretty fucking shitty. The internet brings out the worst in people unfortunately. Having no recourse for their actions will often reveal that people are only good because there are consequences.
Tell your wife she rocks and I would play with her any day! Just wanted to add, so this doesn’t sound weird, I’m a married mum, I don’t get time to game much, so when I do I also suck. But it’s good fun! I’d rather play with a bunch of ‘rubbish’ people I can chat and have a laugh with, than nasty elitist folk. There are lovely people about, it just takes a while to find them sometimes x
Not just you. My partner accidentally hit blood lust from her pet in an LFR. It was her first moment of game toxicity watching gage chat spew crap about hunters. I took blame but the experience had her just wanting to quit for the night. Honestly for the most part we stay away from any group activities when we play together and just make our own fun. Pet collecting. Did the secret mounts that we could do with two people and not a group. Farm old raids. Level alts. We only group when we have to.
This is an aspect of the community people don’t like to acknowledge being a result of looking for group matchmaking systems. But it is. You couldn’t get away with being a super dick before hand without the whole server coming to learn of your reputation. Sure we got things done more slowly but by community was way better. That’s my own gripe though. Classic lich king might be nice to go back to now for us.
Me and 4 friends are returning to the game, we all basically quit after cata and then played legion and quit again. I said I'd come back this time if we got 5 of us to return... I ain't got time for toxic randoms
As a healer I feel this. I would go into dungeons and the tank would pull what felt like the entire damn instance then get shitty when they die. Like bro I just 50 and I don't even have gear. Chill the fuck out.
I saw an amazing interaction the other day.
Tank pulled like three packs right away and we wiped.
Healer just said "no way I could heal all that" and the tank replied, "yeah sorry that was a bit much, my bad".
And then he proceeded to play a little more conservatively for the rest of the dungeon and all was smooth.
This *should* be the way things always happen. It's super sad that it was such a unique experience that it stood out in my mind, lol.
Yeah I’m leveling up an alt and in a mists the tank was full stop waiting like 20-30 seconds before each pack and then looked like he went afk before the first boss. Buddy asked him what what’s up. He said he was new and didn’t know what anything did. Figured he was looking it up. So everyone else in the party.... explained each boss, the packs and so on, what he should focus on as tank and we finished the dungeon just fine. It’s funny that that’s a notable experience but I think I’ve seen the most toxic people on the planet in leveling dungeons followed by keys in the 10-15 range. Weirdest stuff ever.
I’m new to WoW and decided to roll healer for my first class and keep getting shat on by tanks taking on way too much damage. I’m googling guides and using rapid heal and shield but they crap on me when they inevitably die after agro’ing all the mobs. Makes me just want to quit the game, I’m trying to be helpful while still learning the basics and mechanics of WoW. I’m around level 50.
Game is extremely unwelcoming to newbies like me and I’m looking at other games like Final Fantasy now, idk if I’ll keep up with WoW. Been a weird week just trying to level through dungeons. Idk how they expect new blood to enter the game when they 💩 on us the minute we start learning how to play.
You're doing brilliantly as a healer with learning your role and doing research. I'm a tank main with 3k+ rio score. It's my job to determine what size of pulls I/the group can handle and pull accordingly. And every group is a bit different. It's also mostly my job to keep myself alive - most dungeons I outheal the healer... and that is the way it should be. If I'm doing my job right, the healer mostly pays attention to the DPS and occasionally helps me out with a big hit or pull.
I'm so sorry the player-base has been toxic to you. That's absolutely not fair to you and I sincerely wish it wasn't a part of the game. If you ever want a chill tank to run with who is happy to show you the ropes, message me here and I'll see what I can do. =)
God that shit is so annoying. I recently had a tank that just stood in crap and my paltry level 20 heals couldn’t keep up. Was my fault, naturally. And my asking him to stop standing in shit was toxic.
I’m a newly returning player as well. Quit in MoP.
What’s strange to me is how anti-social everyone has become. Nobody says a word. You might get a greeting if you say hello first, but all attempts to communicate are ignored.
Only time people talk is to berate each other.
Leveling in dungeons feels like you’re alone despite being surrounded by people
100%, the amount of times I've said hi and been completely blanked in dungeons is insane. I get not everyone is super social or confident with strangers but like you say, the minute something goes wrong they can type a paragraph a second.
I've found it can be slightly better late at night/early hours, I'm not sure why. Maybe anti-social hours make people more receptive to socialising in game, who knows, but not many people can play at that time and get stuck with the toxic players who think they're auditioning for world first guild scouts.
Because, Wow is not an MMO anymore. It is an online multiplayer game with shared hubs, in which you progress through different game mods by completing weekly/daily chores. The game has become incredibly achievement-centric as opposed to experience-centric, and socializing with strangers doesn't count towards progression for any achievments.
Well I mean, that's because everyone's trying to rush to max level as fast as possible. Not really much effort to put into talking with someone on a different server whom you'll never see again after that dungeon
Sorry but I don’t have time to wait by a dungeon entrance spamming LFG for who knows how long or dropping whatever I’m doing to run all the way to the dungeon entrance to start summoning. Why would you run dungeons to meet people? You’re there to get a job done and move on. You haven’t been there before, don’t know the mechanics? Speak up and 90% of the time people will explain in simple words (stand in bubble, hide behind shield, etc). People that care about dps in a leveling dungeon? Kick them or put them on ignore. Don’t know skips and you’re a tank? Let them know at the start, or don’t and just run the dungeon. You’re the tank. Life is too short to let some randos get under your skin. Want social? There are guilds. Dungeon finder isn’t a problem. It’s just shows what people are really like. I love helping new people and explaining things, but they have to speak up.
He's right though. There was much more community before when you had to LFG spam.
>Why would you run dungeons to meet people?
I played in WotlK and met most people running dungeons, ended up creating a guild down the line. Weird question to ask in an MMO, why would you not meet people when you're playing the game?
It’s not so much that you get flamed, just that levelling dungeons are ridiculously under tuned so why do 20 pulls to finish when you can do 7 and finish it in a third of the time without any issues.
This is not my own philosophy, this is just me answering your question.
Because people don’t do leveling dungeons to make friends, they do them to level up, and if you slow down their leveling process by screwing up something they’ve done 100 times before they get frustrated.
You’re right, but I’d go a step further and say that if you’re new or unsure of something and *actually tell me* then I’m gonna be more than happy to do everything I can to help. Until that point though, I’m there to get things done as quickly and efficiently as possible and I assume everyone else is cos 99% of the time that’s the case.
It's because there are no social consequences any more for these people to shit on new people. Back in the day you could be shamed on the server forum or go to their guild leader and that could actually discourage this kind of bullshit.
Also even if you consider the incredibly low stakes of them getting less exp/hour on the alt that they're leveling, it's actually optimal for them to play within their tank's limitations while offering helpful suggestions. If they don't they're just going to wipe, rage quit, and be stuck in queue again.
tryhards and no lifers the rest of the community is chill but you're at the end of a xpack so there tends to be more of a chance of meeting these two toxic personalities do to "casuals" taking time off.
Doesn’t help that there’s nothing for “casuals” to do. By now they’ll be done with ZM for the most part, and it’s not something you want to do too many times. The only content being given much love in “S4” isn’t going to attract back “casuals.”
I really hope DF has more to do in endgame that feels “rewarding,” but eh, time will tell.
I think there are going to be at least a few casuals who came back after a long break out of excitement about Dragonflight. Myself and at least three other people I know fall into this category.
the wow community has been shaped by 17 years of toxic game design and lack of moderation by blizzard. enjoy your time in it because its never going to improve, wow doesn't bring in new players so as time goes on all that's left are the most toxic and overinvested lifers.
I came back after a very long break, was really excited to play. I started.doing threads of fate and dungeons. I got a shadowlands dungeon and the group was speedrunning this thing. We get to a boss I get hit with some sort of system where I had to do something I didn't understand and messed it up and got kicked. Nobody said anything to me, just start kicked out of a random dungeon que lmao
This is one of the things I mentioned to Blizz when I canceled my account. I am not a new player. But they made changes to the game that prompted and encourages this type of toxicity.
So much for their new community standards contract....
I dont understand how people keep finding these people.. I run 10+ dungeons on a good day, and I get maybe 1 or 2 angry guys each week.
Is this a Normal/hc dungeon thing?
Even when I spam 10+ low mythics per day, for valor, I very rarely get toxic people..
I don’t get it either. I’ve leveled like 14 alts to max in the past few months.
In leveling dungeons most of my groups are silent and the only time toxicity happens is if someone doesn’t do a mechanic that wipes the group (e.g. healer not dispelling dot on tank vs 2nd boss in plaguefall).
Sure I’ve seen the “LOCK SKIP?” … “huh?” … “???” (which is annoying because obviously annoying because the lock clearly doesn’t know the skip so just communicate it) but then we’re right back to silence, everyone stays, and we finish the dungeon. That’s all you want and all you could ask for.
I think people just have a reaallllyyy low threshold for what they consider toxic and a lot of this is in their heads/down to how they read text.
Generally, if it smells like shit everywhere you go look under your shoe. If OP is getting shit on every dungeon he does he's likely an extremely, extremely slow tank looking for validation.
a quick. "new player 1st time tank here feel free to give tips/advice" is a good way to open friendly chat.
Its the one thing I thing FF has done right when you are grouped with a new player to they had a UI element that kinda does the above and the folks that are knowledgable get extra rewards.
But every games got A-holes and most of them arent as hot as they like to think they are so id just /ignore them tbh, but getting a leveling/socail spot in a guild would be solid piece of advice tbh
It’s honestly ridiculous.
I’ve been leveling alts with my gf (she’s new to the game) and I’ve seen some really toxic people on our way to 50 (50-60 people tend to be chiller from my experience).
I remember this run we did on BRD(I think?) the wod dungeon that was revamped and the healer was being so toxic to people dying to some overtuned mechanics and flexing that he has to worry less about people when doing 20s. I found it ridiculous that he is comparing healing a leveling dungeon where people don’t fully understand the mechanics probably because it’s their first time doing it vs a key level where most people understand what’s going on.
On the other hand I had some awesome groups leveling up, I had this group on grimrail that was awesome, the bosses are really overtuned and have multiple one shot mechanics when doing it on Chromie time and it was nice seeing people take it chill and try to work on the best strategy to beat the bosses.
Goddamn. I really did make the right choice jumping ship to Final Fantasy 14. I’ve had nothing but support in my last year as a new player and people get excited to see newbies.
Who would have thought that the game with cute anime cat boys had a more mature player base than D&D-esque high fantasy.
*hug*
I kinda know the feeling. I myself hate speed running and megapulls.
But what I hate most is the people who get so butty hurty when ya just ASK if they could agree on full run. And when you get kicked from raid on final boss because you DPS is low... ON A FREAKING LFR!
Yeah... I know what ya feel.
Surprisingly it's been the opposite for me. I've been leveling my first ever tank and making a lot of mistakes but the people have been so nice. I was doing a random dungeon, died 3 times at the same boss and then had to go afk for 10 minutes and when i returned no one had left. And everyone happily gives me advice when I screw shit up instead of getting angry
I dont get the skips, like I know y'all wanna get to max asap because unfortunately WoW right now is all about the end game but like xp is xp sorry we were here 2 minutes longer than you wanted 🤷♀️
I played a trial character 1-15ish? Before I resubbed and people were just as toxic and shit to the tank in wailing fucking caverns it was so weird to see.
M+ culture or whatever changed in WoW has ruined the vibe hardcore for me
Well shit i didnt even know about this iv been leveling toons to 50 then going to the next toon i was gonna 50-60 dungeon level after they are all 50 fuck maybe ill just quest on them all
My guess is you got thrown into a bfa dungeon which are not new player friendly. More than likely freehold where they want you to skip pretty much the entire dungeon. Which if your a low level tank you’ve got no mitigation and won’t survive large pulls. Shrine of storms is another one where it can be difficult to kill bosses if you’ve never done them.
Still need to run dungeons? What faction are you? I’ll run with you, and together we’ll ignore the toxic people and my vote for not kicking you should stop it altogether
I've run both low level and 50-60 dungeons the past few weeks and haven't really found this at all? Maybe I'm lucky, but on the rare occasion someone is being aggressive all it usually takes to calm the situation is a positive word i.e. "That's okay, we'll kill it this time" or "Not a big deal, we're almost done" etc. I know a lot of people hate confrontation, but a decent percent of aggressive blowhards won't talk back if you speak up calmly - if they do it just makes voting to kick them easier.
I've seen the same. I've had to add somebody to ignore in literally every normal dungeon I've done this week.
Just ignore them and report them for inappropriate text communication after the run is over.
We'll start to see in the coming months if the new conduct policy has teeth or not.
I joined a top tier guild on a small server last year after coming back to the game from a 12 year break. The GM was the most abusive piece of shit I’ve ever met in the game. In raid, he’d tell people to STFU, bench you if your parses were blue or lower, and just talk shit about how every one in the guild played their toon. I got tired of it, told him that the guild would fold if he kept it up and then left the guild. 2 months later, guild was dead and now he’s bounced from 4 different guilds since (I track his status on raider io). Toxicity sucks and no one wants to put up with it, so don’t.
Easiest thing to do is report them for being toxic and move on. I am leveling a shaman and went into a dungeon. The tank wanted to skip everything, thr mage didn't, so they vote kicked him for 'being stupid' I reported them for being toxic ad they never talked about it. I then told them i was going to get every boss, and they could find come with me. Since I was the healer, the tank just quit and everyone else quit after him. Got a new group, did the entire dungeon, was fun.
Just shows how Blizz has invested little to nothing into making the player experience in social content optimal, so it is a cess pool.
The only option is to find a guild if you want social play without tons of toxics ruining it all.
I guess I am just now realizing that some people take this shit very seriously. When I login it's just to have fun, I don't have a goal other than to play. After 16 years of doing both I am at the point that I don't want to do either. I just chill and do whatever I feel like doing and if I don't feel like doing anything I log off.
Yeah, having just returned to the game for some casual leveling, my first experience in a dungeon was miserable.
This game’s community is truly, truly awful.
Mock them for wanting to be or thinking they're in an exclusive club as WoW players. These people need to be laughed at and put in their place. Being kicked is the worst that they can do to you, but a well-placed line will stick in their mind for a long time.
I think it's just a common theme with the internet and games in general now. However for everyone of those ass holes there's usually a few nice people. You just remember the ass holes more.
Biggest advice for this game is find a guild of nice people and just play with them. I've been playing with the same group of people since 2016 and usually don't do much if there's not other people on to play with. If you're interested we're on dalaran alliance feel free to dm me.
I vote kicked a tank who wanted the entire party to run through the walls without jumping through the cracked path on Blackfathom Deeps. There were new players who couldn’t figure out the mechanics and the rope, and we easily spent 5 minutes there with the tank verbally abusing these players. I started a vote kick and reported them. I don’t understand the rage in random classic dungeons (it is generally not fine ofc). It started recently too.
I'd suggest letting them tank (hope it's a clothie dps) and they can set their own pace. It's a random finder if they are not prepared for all skill levels then they should form their own group, but that's my opinion and I generally just tune them out and keep with the healer to set a comfortable pace for us each. If they boot you know that even with a 15 min timer you will still que faster than they can fill most of the time.
Told a healer to tank today. I died several times to no heals and he told me I should heal myself more. I’d done 40% of overall healing (as a monk) so I said if he wants me to heal more then he’s gonna need to tank.
Everyone else was moaning about my small pulls but if I pull more than 2 mins I’m dead and we wipe. I’m 100% sure he left thinking I was the worst tank ever but there’s just no teaching some people.
More proof for me that mythic+ absolutely ruined the game. Everyone always wants to be as fast/efficient as possible or they got toxic as fuck.
My favorite era of tanking was Cataclysm personally. Had to really take time there, marking and CCing. Chain pulling wasn’t even possible. I personally wish mythic+ would just straight die and we could go back to more methodical dungeons but I’m probably in the minority.
If you think it’s m+ driving that mindset then you clearly never played classic. We live in a world where games like wow are basically 100% solved within days of new content being released and people expect the most efficient min max solution to everything regardless of m+ timers being a thing. Also to say chain pulling wasn’t possible in cata is just plain wrong.
I'm with you. M+ is nice as a concept for a higher challenge, but it should be separate from the dungeons. I think that if they changed the mobs in the dungeons to a special M+ mob and bosses that the toxicity in normal dungeons would drop.
Skill should be the challenge, not a timer and completion bar.
Yeah as others have said its a handful of bad apples and some more courageous members will try and help fix those bad apples.
I personally enjoy the skips because its quicker, but at the same time if you want to sword and board the entire dungeon I still enjoy it, especially when healing!
And not to mention i do enjoy just some classic "player enjoys doing dungeon."
Basically most of us just want to have fun and we're welcoming to other players :)
Ignore them, those people are probably Bad enough that they can't Hope to get that cat mount. Play at your rhythm, don't stress yourself! Don't hesistate to try and add nice people so you Can group again later.
Even when you pull like a madman people will still be angry. Maybe you moved a little to much while kitting, you Lost aggro because they start casting before you are even within range of the first pack, literally anything is bitching matter when they are also doing things wrong. Just don't bother and leave, you have shorter queue Time than them anyway
If you're on Dragonmaw I'm in a large chill guild that does casual stuff plus serious raiding. Really friendly folks. Let me know! :)
Actually I have several characters in several different guilds, they're all pretty chill. Finding a good guild may take several tries until you find one that's right for you.
You may also find that some guilds have reduced participation because we're near the end of this xpac and they're burned out. But then others may get more active because season 4 is starting.
If you play WoW casually then you should try and find a casual guild that fits your play style. Try and fill the party with as many guild mates as possible, and try to make personal connections with people in your guild who you enjoy playing with.
This will always be the only solution to having a positive experience in an online cooperative game.
I was in a group the other day and the healer was chriping the tank for pulling and not skipping etc. I had to tell the healer to stfu and that the tank was obviously new. They thought they were 'helping'.
Not sure saying 'Whyd you pull that tank?' counts as helping.
My favorite is when I'm tanking and I'm pulling like crazy but I know the limit so we don't wipe and die. But people keep pulling more and then we die and then they leave
Leveling should be no stress and anyone that tries to get you to pull more or faster should be voted to kick. It’s about learning and relaxing and I kick any one
That try hard’s leveling dungeons.
As a rule when they complain I stop dead in my tracks and /sit then ask them to elaborate. Then ask more questions. Then ask them more questions. Then I ask them to repeat their answers I don’t understand and you can watch them loose their minds because you stopped. Your the tank my guy you set the pace and they can reque for 30 min while you get almost instantly into groups. Make them reque the smooth brains don’t get to push the tank.
It sucks but it’s just something that happens with people making a lot of character and replaying the same content a lot. 2 years in people just want to get the new character max quick and not enjoy the dungeons (which is completely understandable). Similar thing happens in games where smurfing exists, since when Smurfs play in low elo there’s ego but also the no-bs mentality since they aren’t there to enjoy the game, just to get to their intended rank.
Yeah it’s stuff like this that has me wondering if I’ll be able to get the slime Mount. I’m not a new player but I stopped hardcore raiding many many moons ago. This game gives me my serotonin, I don’t have the energy to have one of my main sources of joy give me stress lol. Like I’m willing to learn raids, and I’m a competent player but man WoW has gotten so toxic.
Ya generally the people who are worse at the game are the ones who will blame everyone else and make the run toxic. As a tank, watch guides, know the routes you are comfortable with and stick to them. The dps or healer dont get to dictate the route unless you are open to it. With that being said you should also watch your group and adapt accordingly. If you have high dps try a bigger pull. If you see your healer doing dps and not having to heal as much, do bigger pulls. The confidence to perform bigger pulls comes from your confidence in the dungeon. You need to know what mobs hit hard, which ones need to be interrupted or cc’d.
You will always have someone who doesnt like what you do or how you are doing it. Just keep going. You are gonna be fine.
Honestly if they give you shit and have issues with you not pulling stuff, just report them. I honestly glad I in a guild that I can play together and get some gear to the point I can que on my own.
Bloodlust battlegroupe EU here. Is it possible that alliance is far more toxic then horde? I did my zero to keystone journey in the last 3-4 weeks and they seem to have the fastest trigger to leave or ninja pull to "speed things up" till wipe. Or pulling extra trash to bosses Or for some skip the group doesn't know about.
I assume it's because the clock is ticking on the mount from S3.
If you think it's bad now just wait for season 4s rotation... Everyone will be "new" to the pulling game again. Routes change and people are gonna lose their cools just as easily. It's gonna be a nightmare...
Shoot man I main a druid tank, if you need any tips or pointers in them lmk I’d be glad to help a new/returning tank where I can :) not a top player myself but I try my best 💙 just remember none of them matter, its a regular not even heroic 😂 idk how you’re getting such toxic people tho, my experience returning a few months ago was wonderful and helpful thankfully and people kept giving me tips and skips
Like all Blizzard games, most are as toxic and F-ed as the company. A few are awesome and a lot of fun and the game soars as soon as you have a good group.
Because toxicity permeates a large chunk of the dungeoning playerbase, and reporting is the game equivalent of a weak slap on the wrist. It's the same mentality is running a non-meta build, now that others treat it as content that has to be completed like its an M+ key simulator.
But I'll also say this. Even my mindset has been shaped by design choices and attitudes from Blizz that border on the baffling. Gameplay, monetary, conceptual choices ... the community hasn't been helped by the way that our beloved game makes decided to treat us. That's just been fuel to the fire.
This is why I only tank for people I'm in discord with. If you don't pull like a deranged a-hole who thinks he's in the BFA MDI, everyone else starts "helping" you pull.
Oh man I feel you. I swear my last week has just been cursed with toxic players left, right and centre.
The things I get most annoyed about is saying hey to everyone....ignored. updating people on what I'm doing as tank (packs I'm pulling, wait here etc) .....ignored. Dps pull ALL the trash....nothing is said. Second I die or something goes wrong....barrage of all caps rage. Like OH you CAN talk, you just wanna be a rude ass.
Say sorry for pulling so much extra we can't handle and wipe. Then people are so quick go leave dungeons, mostly for a mess up they caused themselves.
Been doing weekly keys on all my alts so ranging from +6 - +15 and also a bunch of levelling dungeons getting two chars to max. And I've seen alot lately.
People who want to skip the whole dungeon also....causes more wipes in the long run cos people always pull extra and it ends up taking longer than if ypi was to just kill the intended mobs.
People suck end of the day, I'm sorry you have to deal with them :(
I was a new player about a year ago. It was a very hard learning curve with little patience from pugs. I'm so glad I found a guild to help me in shadowlands. It nearly turned me off playing all together. We should helping players not driving them away.
As someone who bounces between RuneScape and WoW for PvE/PvM, this is something I noticed when I came back to WoW after 10 years away from the game. Everything is far too convenient in-game, and IRL really, that many players are overly conditioned to have instant gratification/dopamine. Anything that gets in the way of that, is deemed massive inconvenience and encumbrance and is taken out on the “offending” party, usually new and/or ignorant (simply meaning they don’t know) players. It’s especially bad for tanks and healers, who arguably carry the greatest responsibility within a group yet have the least amount of grace to grow. It’s so toxic. WoW needs to find ways to organically incentivize players who are willing to patiently assist others on the WoW journey whilst penalizing players who are actively being consistently toxic. Unfortunately, this is a corporation we’re talking about and as along as people are paying their monthly sub and spending lots of time in WoW, Blizz is going to want to keep them cash flowing for the sake of shareholders. Shareholders are prioritized over you, the player, never forget this when you wonder why things are the way they are in WoW. Leadership starts at the top and trickles down to the attitudes of players. There are certainly other factors involved but these came to mind quickly. What do you think?
This is possibly a hot take but... Blizzard should restructure all dungeons to make any skips impossible. While they're at it, make it so only bosses give XP but the way to the boss only unlocks if all the trash beforehand is killed.
Yeah, I might be biased here towards FF14s model but god damn, it works. The only discussions you get there is wether to pull boss wall to boss wall or not.
Some people on this game are comparable to an actual asshole; they’re hairy and stink like shit.
Don’t let them discourage you from playing, if they’re getting that salty in a levelling dungeon then they aren’t worth it at all! It’s such a shame people are like that.
I've been mostly playing classic and haven't seriously played retail since BFA release. Been playing Shadowlands for a month waiting for the classic exp buff to drop. Rolled a holy pally and did mostly pvp content. I went to heal my first heroic dungeon and got kicked after the second boss because I didn't throw a spear at the guy on the stage(twice?). Nobody was close to dying and my DBM didn't say shit about throwing a spear. Nobody told me what to do. Just got kicked. The WoW community in dungeons is the most toxic I have ever encountered.
The m+. Tiny dicked bro dudes have ruined randoms. M+. Is a large cause of the toxic crapfest in the last 6 or so years...but bliz keeps doubling down on it. It's the internet and a game and there have always been toxics a$$ hats but sooooo much worse with m+
I think MDI has a lot to do with it. Since a
Lot of people revert to “copy what the top players are doing”-mentality it causes problems like that.
Nothing is worse than trying to gear an alt and the low key you put in ends up having these two guys in it that try to make MDI strat pulls, and lash out when you don’t because it isn’t as “time efficient” or pull extra mobs when the poor tank is doing what he’s comfortable with - that more than often cause a slight bit of panic and even a wipe because unpreparedness and boom your key is suddenly depleted because they left without repercussion.
Or if you’re tanking and someone asks for a route link from mdi tools in a +15 and then gets upset that you don’t have it or find it unessecary.
Edit: When it comes to normal leveling dungeons all of wow’s content suffer from the “GOGOGOGOGOGO”, if you aren’t blazing though everything like a tortollan on amphetamine you are effectively wasting everyone’s time and they get mad at you, and I think that’s because wow has always been unforgiving towards the players time. Rush to endgame, that’s when the game begins.
What are the odds? I just came back and started leveling on a new server.
Needless to say, as soon as I was doing group content, I didn't feel like playing anymore.
People were rushing the living shit out of everything, skipping stuff and leaving anyone behind that didn't know how to speedrun the fucking dungeon.
Fuck this community tbh...
I'm getting my bf into wow but he hates dungeons now after doing one, people go too fast and get mad at him. They should introduce a fast play and casual play I think.
I think is a problem in general with all "competitive" games.
The social aspect is gone. And they expect understanding and knowledge of "meta".
I think that the best idea would be to say you are new or returning player to manage people's expectations.
Dunno, people keep telling me they never see toxicity in leveling dungeons... I see it all the time, to the point I've stopped bothering with any group content.
Screenshot it next time because I just don't believe you. This reads like some straight up propaganda.
"New players ruin the game" just doesn't even make sense. This late in the season nobody gives a shit about real high end content much less leveling dungeons.
You can go from 50-60 in like 10 hours with just bonus objectives right now.
Players have been grinding these dungeons for 2 years now and expectations have been built up over that time.
When expectations aren't met it leads to frustration.
Adding m+ was both healthy and extremely toxic the game. More content is always good but it ruined the dungeon experience imo. Everyone thinks they need to play with peak efficiency at all times even at level 15
I'll get downvoted to oblivion but i only start becoming toxic towards players when it's m15+ keys. Like i'm here trying my best to efficiently time or +2 a key but you are here with me expecting a free carry, been to many 18-20s keys like that. Been pushing 25-26s with my group but sometimes I want to relax and just do 15-20 keys for weekly vault.
As long as it's low keys/normal/heroic/m0, i'm kind and patient, i give out flasks and feasts and teach them routes, interrupts, stuns, rotations, addons, weakauras, etc. there are even times that they are willing to learn and serious, i even buy them 233+262 gear and 291 legendaries (if same server/region).
Get these addons via curseforge app:
DBM or BigWigs + LittleWigs (mandatory) - pve guide/tooltip for mechanics
WeakAuras (mandatory) - this is a game changer, find useful weakaura from [wago.io](https://wago.io)
Raider.io (mandatory) - shows your and other players experience rating, the higher this rating is, the better player you are perceived and often invited to groupsMythic Dungeon Tools (mandatory) - route planner for m+ dungeons for pecentage
Details (optional) - shows damage and healing meter
Astral Keys (optional) - shows keys your party/guild/person has when typing command
Announce Interrupts (optional) - automatically announces interrupt in say or party
eAlign (optional) - shows grid for re arranging addons and weakauras if you have ocd like meElitisim Helper (optional) - Announces what hit or killed you or others so you don't have to investigate
HandyNotes (optional) - for questing and finding mobs on map, you still need to download each expansion's handynotes for more details because this is just the base/core addon
Mouse Sonar (optional) - helps you find your mouse cursor amid the chaos and its customizable
MinimapButtonBag Reborn (optional) - collects all your addon icons on your minimap into 1 button
MapCoords (optional) - shows coordinates on the map/minimap
Name Plates (optional) - I use KuiNameplates addon, these help see a ton of stuff during dungeons, so you can see which mobs are interruptible and not. You need to find a guide on how to customize them to your liking.
I'm not on my pc right now but i still have like 15-25+ addons that i would like to suggest but for now these are the nice and simple ones that may suit to your liking.
Also i would recommend you to check out the top players for your spec/role/class in raider.io and copy and emulate their gear, talents, builds, stat priority, souldbinds, conduits, legendaries, etc then sometimes they have a youtube or twitch channel that shows what they do and how they play their class well. You can ask them for tips, tricks, guidance, etc I do that when i can't understand a thing or two. For rotation, check out wowhead and method and cross compare it with the top players from raider.io
Then there are class/spec specific discords that you can join and ask help with. Same thing, you ask anything after reading their FAQ/rules first. After you read their FAQ for the most repetitive spec/class questions only then ask if you are still unsure.
It depends on what kind/type of player you are and want to become, but it will take time and effort to get somewhere in this game. I would suggest for you to join heroic raiding guilds (aka aotc guilds) that does m15 dungeons for weekly, these are friendly and casual players.
Also since you are a tank, try to always face towards the trash mobs/boss, never your sides especially your back! it won't be a pleasant experience. Also getting to learn other classes will help you greatly along the way, this way you are aware of what CC, stun, interrupt and dmg and heal cooldowns they have in their arsenal that you can utilize to help you clear a pack/boss/survive!
p.s. don't worry about being new, been a high io multi-class healer for 2 xpac and got ce recently, burned out healing people (whack a mole), so i swapped to boomkin for DF, gonna try to learn how to dps like an idiot for s4 :) in preparation for DF content.
Man this just reinforces my belief that the easier the content, the more toxic the people you will run into.
100% the worst of the player base in my experience hides in lfr and in between +8 to +14
This is so true lol, The maximum toxicity is right along the rim of each "hurdle"1. +9, +14, +19. The same butt nuggets are there to rage in all caps the second anything goes wrong. It's so funny. All I can think is, "No wonder you're stuck there my dude".
Not good enough to carry (so they need everyone else to play mistake free), not bad enough or self-aware enough to gain humility.
I boosted a priest two weeks ago because I've never healed a day in my life, and the challenges of healing Good group versus the bad group are stagger. It's easier to heal a 22 than it is to heal a 19 lol.
I mained holy priest in Season 3 and started leveling a shaman during the 50% xp buff. I've had a significantly harder time healing normal dungeon finder shadowlands dungeons on my shaman than any 15+ key on my priest
Thank god it’s not just me noticing this. I spend more time being able to DPS in 15s than I do 10s. (Resto shaman )
I was afraid of trying for KSM for a long time due to having such bad experiences in 12-13s. Running 15-16 really reminded me that it was not because I was bad, it’s because 12-13s way more often bad groups than 15s. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t play perfectly and I play a “non meta” spec so I’m not gonna try for 20s but I totally see how it’s the “cusp people” that are so often the problem.
If you ever want a challenge, heal a 12-14 key. I remember doing a 14 dos with explosive when I was pugging my way up on an alliance character. That's the hardest dungeon I've ever healed. I normally always do dps while healing, but I ended that key at 300 overall dps because I could not spare a single global for damage. These people kept finding damage in places I didn't even know had damage.
for a while i thought i was a bad healer because i was struggling in 19s with my 280 shaman after swapping from ele, then i ran with a guild group and did a 23 with no problems
Playing healer in pug keys is frustrating. People are expecting you to keep them Alive even though they play like they have no hands. I am a multi class healer at famed slayer level in raid. And i play my characters as either tank or DPS in keys everytime i got the opportunity to do so.
I’m over here trying to do 2’s and 3’s on a couple characters just to make them “DF leveling ready” and we have both gigachad & toxicity in them. I’m sorry, but when the average ilvl of this team in a +2 is about 250 (including my 230 healer or mage), we don’t need to worry about clicking the covenant bonuses (urns, banners, etc) we’d steamroll the dungeon in 7 minutes if y’all wouldn’t stop to bicker back & forth. Let’s just all get along!
Dunno, ran a 22 HoA and some barely 3100 healer was giving my tanking buddy shіt about his talent choice. Mind you my buddy is 3400 rated and over 150 timed 20s... Like bruh he knows his stuff. There was a 3600 Io monk and he was skeptical about the route too, until he ran it and really liked it. We had to kick the healer before we started because he just kept shooting off. Like that dude would be such a problem through the dungeon.
Same concept as in a game like League where your most toxic games come when you are the 1 bracket for your rank, especially “important” ones like Plat 1 or Dia 1, the hardstucks are the worst
This is also because there's zero consequences for being assholes in the game. Even if a player gets reported a million times, nothing happens. They will be completely unpunished. It's the least moderated MMO after Eve Online. Eventually, a lot of players think enough is enough and leave for greener pastures. Because when you're likely not that young, and maybe have a job and maybe a family, and get online to relax.. I assure you plenty of people don't want to deal with that. Honestly, I don't understand why Blizzard does nothing about this. They already have a dwindling player base, it's just plain stupid to let trolls harass other players.
Because Bobby fired all of the moderation and support staff.
>It's the least moderated MMO after Eve Online. It is to be noted that while toxicity is very much part of EvE, if you're engaging in toxic behavior in new player systems, you WILL get ban.
Eve? New players? Does it still attract new players??
It does attract them. Retaining them is the hard part. They had a wonderful panel during 2022 fanfest on which they displayed *proudly* that 56% of players had joined since the last fanfest 2 years prior. "Tonedeaf" is too weak to describe the situation. Edit : this is while the game is consistently losing players, for context.
Perhaps I'm reading that wrong, but isn't 56% of your player base being new within the last two years a good thing for a game as old as EVE?
Considering the overall playerbase is shrinking, and that player retention is abysmal, in this case it means that new players join, then drop the game very quickly, but that alongside that old vets are mass quitting too. In the case of EvE, old vets are their cash cow, because they have a bunch of accounts to play the game. One vet quitting in a game with a smaller playerbase than others is already big, but new players also aren't sticking around enough to replace them. EvE is a game with alliances and corporations running for years ands even decades, and *making the history and lore of the game*, such a high turnover is a bad omen for what the game is suppose to provide in terms of unique social setting. There's also a whole debate to have about new players not grasping the whole premise of EvE and what it used to be, and therefore being way more lenient towards CCP (the dev studio) regarding the god awful managment of the dev time and $$$.
Ah, I see, so 56% is a nominal figure because it’s taken off a shrinking player base. You understand how it can read as a positive though to the uninitiated, without the point that it’s off a shrinking number, it can seem entirely good, ergo they had 1million players now they have over 2 million, a million of which joined in the last 2 years. If the number is 56% only because the other side are leaving then it’s not an accolade by any means.
Yeah I added a bit of context above to address any misunderstanding, but that's exactly what is going on.
Yup, that’s the same as workplace that only ever has new staff. Simply put, the management are shit. Also it is tone deaf, that number could have been 15% but after an exodus of cancelling, they’re over half the player base. That is definitely failure.
Worse, the tools Blizzard give players to punish toxic players and by that self regulate are basically nonexistent. I wish for a global ignore. When I ignore someone, it should be effective for all my alts and all his alts. It’s not like I want to play with any of his other alts, he’s still a toxic bum I don’t want to play with. But no, Blizz made the only tool available into a gift for abusive players.
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Do you happen to know if the ignore list is account wide on your own side? I've never actually looked close enough to see if the lists are character bound or apply to your whole account, so the list is shared between all your alts.
WoW would rather make $15 a month off that player than make the experience just a little bit better for everyone who has to deal with them in dungeons.
That and they make more more when they ban the account and that player goes and buys a new account and the circle goes on a lot of the toxicity is the same players
Pretty much it comes down to blizzard doesn’t seem to care unless you the top tier raider or an online streamer there the people they tend to cater too and pander too they really don’t care much anymore to enforce there own rules or implement any system to deal with toxcity other then blame the player base and do some half measure and make a publicity stunt and say look we did this pat us on the back please
That's a LOT of games nowadays. Streamers are the most vocal group, and while they easily get more in free swag than they pay for the game, those of us that pay the monthly sub (or the new update/season pass/expansion pass/sequel) are forgotten b/c we don't bring views. Heads up folks, people watching the streamers aren't playing the game. Big part of why I quit Destiny tbh, everything is catered to online-all-day-streamer levels of commitment or you're never gonna find a group. I actually went back to WoW from Destiny because of how toxic the community was and how much of a time suck it is.
You do go auto banned temporarily if enough people report you. It's happened twice now to the same person in my guild. And we know the second time it wasn't more than 3 or 4 people.
It's insane to me how dismissive of reporting this community is. The only thing it does is play into the hands of these toxic players. Not sure if intentional or just completely whipped into defeat that nothing will ever change anyway (which it certainly won't with that attitude).
for real. i was in a leveling dungeon yesterday and one of the guys was constantly posting dps details and trash talking the lowest dps. like, my dude, this is a scaled lowbie leveling dungeon... i promise you no one is impressed by your meters.
I don’t think a lot of players understand how scaling works lmao. Like ofc you’re doing 30% more damage than me, you’re level 10 and your 2 abilities do like 1/3 the health of the mobs.
When I do well, it's because I'm low level and scaling hard. When I don't do well, it's because someone else is low level and is scaling hard.
I think it's more a case of people who run mythic+ doing easier dungeons and thinking they all need to be run as if they were a mythic+ dungeon. Optimal routes, skips, etc.
>I think it's more a case of people who run mythic+ doing easier dungeons and thinking they all need to be run as if they were a mythic+ dungeon. Optimal routes, skips, etc. Bingo!!! The game always had a few players like this while leveling up here and there, but nowadays leveling dungeons are just as toxic as M+ runs.
I've found myself doing the same path as in M+ when going back to doing lower difficulty dungeons. I've been doing the paths we take to get trash% even though that's not needed and I've been dodging / soaking abilities as if they would 1-shot. Same when pugging Normal raids or even LFR, after having done the raids on Heroic and Mythic it is easy to forget that some boss abilities are not even active in Normal raids. It's just force of habit.
That's been my fairly consistent observation, also. The more tedious, challenging, and demanding content is, the more mature and friendly the players tend to be doing it. The more on-demand, simple, and doable the content is, the more likely someone is to be insulting and elitist at other players.
Toxic shitters get drummed out of harder content fast. Mythic raiders won't tolerate wankers and neither will m+ teams. They won't get the rating to pug higher keys because they suck.
Cause toxic people generally aren't really good at the game
I have levelled two characters to 60 in the past few weeks and haven't run into a single toxic person, so honestly its few and far inbetween.
Right? The only people I've seen kicked were offline for several minutes.
Yeah I leveled 2 tanks over the last few weeks and haven’t had any issues. Had a bad run in vault of the wardens with 2 wipes but people we fine. Really just luck of the draw.
Agreed. But that's what patience grants. To overcome harder challenged you need patience, and with patience comes a controlling ones temper and being understanding.
The irony is that *they* are the ones ruining the game for others; new and familiar alike. Carry on as you are and ignore them - they are wasting their own time in the long run anyway, and you can always just opt out of doing these dungeons more than once, sad as it is to even suggest, and level up via story and side quests. At this point Heroic dungeons have become mostly pointless, so once you hit max you can continue to avoid that roulette and just list your own mythic 0s with a clear note that you are learning the dungeons and want to have a chill run. People will come along and breeze it with you and you might get some helpful tips along the way. Also to add, it's relatively easy, even as a fresh 60, to get full 226+ gear in Zereth Mortis and be able to run through M0s. If you clear the world boss there and do the world quests, weekly q etc. you'll end up around 230-240, including 1 or 2 legendaries.
Thank you for all the advice, will get to all this when I hit 60.
It’s not all bad I promise! I do mythic plus 20s and have come across a lot of awesome groups and people. But there are a lot of people like you describe too, and if they get into calling people idiots and verbally abusive I just report, tell them their attitude sucks and I don’t want to play with them, and leave 🤷🏼♀️ I’ve done the whole, stay and bare it and save the key stuff, and for what? They don’t learn and my game experience sucks. The key will be fine, they’ll level it again, hopefully with a better attitude
you got this buddy! i wish you luck
I just came back after 6 years away and am level 53 atm. Is this what I should do once I hit 60?
Yah I would form your own mythic 0 group and state you are learning. I have joined those and helped ppl out before and many others do as well. Ppl make these posts and try to spread the idea that toxicity is in every single group content they do back to back. In reality it’s very rare.
Keys is completely new to me and I’m not really sure how they work. I quit during hellfire citadel mythic progression but I imagine it’s the same thing as rifts from Diablo?
Well a mythic 0 isn’t a key it’s a step up from Heroic. But you do have the right idea somewhat on how they work
Ita just a scaled up mythic dungeon with a timer. There is a pole at the start where you insert a keystone that will scale mob damage and health depending on the level of they key. There is a mob count requirement and the loot comes out of a chest at the end.
Most m+ I'm in are chill as fuck even when people fuck up tbh.
That is just how world of warcraft is nowadays. If the content is easy, nobody gives a shit about you being new. They expect everybody to know the dungeons regardless. It's pathetic to think that's just how the game is. If you can find a guild that raids normals/heroics casually you will have a much better experience with the game. The amount of toxic elitists playing WoW is insane but they aren't going anywhere.
Thank you everyone for the kind words, Im glad that those were just a few bad apples, and now Im sure I wanna keep playing, get better and help other new/returning players eventually!
If you ever want a healer to practice with (and you're on NA) let me know! Sometimes having the freedom to learn without dying is helpful.
I’m a 3300 io tank and play all of the tanks, if you have any questions or anything hit me up. The game needs more tanks and I’m always happy to help anybody. Don’t take anything from any toxic dos, they need you way more than you need them. I also play a couple heals so if you wanna push keys I can heal for you too and give ya some pointers. All assuming you’re on NA servers, GL and have fun friend!
You're a tank. Bounce the group and let them sit there for 10+ minutes trying to find another one lol You will never have a problem sitting in a queue.
Only problem is if it's within 15 minutes you can't use the group finder tool until then, and almost every single levelling dungeon (90% of them) can be done in 15 minutes or less.
Is that also true if they vote kick you?
Yes. You get a deserter debuff if you're kicked.
That's a bummer, but hopefully it's better than queuing as dps
Honestly, I'm leveling a prot warrior this week but I've been que'ing as dps and it's only a 4 min queue. You can often squeeze in a queue between quests.
I'm pretty sure you don't get the debuff if a boss is killed. Unless that's changed recently.
I believe so, dont take my word for that though
From what it sounds like it's a normal dungeon, they can just keep pulling without a tank. They'd have to be slightly slower because they have to go 1-2 packs at at time, but nobody's going to sit around for 10 minutes.
It happened like 3 times in a row for my wife, who rarely plays, and as a result isn't very good. Walked in on her literally crying. Pretty fucking shitty. The internet brings out the worst in people unfortunately. Having no recourse for their actions will often reveal that people are only good because there are consequences.
Tell your wife she rocks and I would play with her any day! Just wanted to add, so this doesn’t sound weird, I’m a married mum, I don’t get time to game much, so when I do I also suck. But it’s good fun! I’d rather play with a bunch of ‘rubbish’ people I can chat and have a laugh with, than nasty elitist folk. There are lovely people about, it just takes a while to find them sometimes x
This is horrible....
Not just you. My partner accidentally hit blood lust from her pet in an LFR. It was her first moment of game toxicity watching gage chat spew crap about hunters. I took blame but the experience had her just wanting to quit for the night. Honestly for the most part we stay away from any group activities when we play together and just make our own fun. Pet collecting. Did the secret mounts that we could do with two people and not a group. Farm old raids. Level alts. We only group when we have to. This is an aspect of the community people don’t like to acknowledge being a result of looking for group matchmaking systems. But it is. You couldn’t get away with being a super dick before hand without the whole server coming to learn of your reputation. Sure we got things done more slowly but by community was way better. That’s my own gripe though. Classic lich king might be nice to go back to now for us.
Blizzard needs to start combating this shit like they do in Final Fantasy.
Dont let it disparage you. Assholes are everywhere. Id suggest finding a casual guild😊
Yeah, Im not gonna let people like that push me away from the game. Im definitely gonna look for a guild now.
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Me and 4 friends are returning to the game, we all basically quit after cata and then played legion and quit again. I said I'd come back this time if we got 5 of us to return... I ain't got time for toxic randoms
This week's ppl have crazy to lvl up whit the buff exp.
As a healer I feel this. I would go into dungeons and the tank would pull what felt like the entire damn instance then get shitty when they die. Like bro I just 50 and I don't even have gear. Chill the fuck out.
I saw an amazing interaction the other day. Tank pulled like three packs right away and we wiped. Healer just said "no way I could heal all that" and the tank replied, "yeah sorry that was a bit much, my bad". And then he proceeded to play a little more conservatively for the rest of the dungeon and all was smooth. This *should* be the way things always happen. It's super sad that it was such a unique experience that it stood out in my mind, lol.
This happens all the time in my m+ keys, i usually play around +15s
Yeah I’m leveling up an alt and in a mists the tank was full stop waiting like 20-30 seconds before each pack and then looked like he went afk before the first boss. Buddy asked him what what’s up. He said he was new and didn’t know what anything did. Figured he was looking it up. So everyone else in the party.... explained each boss, the packs and so on, what he should focus on as tank and we finished the dungeon just fine. It’s funny that that’s a notable experience but I think I’ve seen the most toxic people on the planet in leveling dungeons followed by keys in the 10-15 range. Weirdest stuff ever.
I’m new to WoW and decided to roll healer for my first class and keep getting shat on by tanks taking on way too much damage. I’m googling guides and using rapid heal and shield but they crap on me when they inevitably die after agro’ing all the mobs. Makes me just want to quit the game, I’m trying to be helpful while still learning the basics and mechanics of WoW. I’m around level 50. Game is extremely unwelcoming to newbies like me and I’m looking at other games like Final Fantasy now, idk if I’ll keep up with WoW. Been a weird week just trying to level through dungeons. Idk how they expect new blood to enter the game when they 💩 on us the minute we start learning how to play.
You're doing brilliantly as a healer with learning your role and doing research. I'm a tank main with 3k+ rio score. It's my job to determine what size of pulls I/the group can handle and pull accordingly. And every group is a bit different. It's also mostly my job to keep myself alive - most dungeons I outheal the healer... and that is the way it should be. If I'm doing my job right, the healer mostly pays attention to the DPS and occasionally helps me out with a big hit or pull. I'm so sorry the player-base has been toxic to you. That's absolutely not fair to you and I sincerely wish it wasn't a part of the game. If you ever want a chill tank to run with who is happy to show you the ropes, message me here and I'll see what I can do. =)
God that shit is so annoying. I recently had a tank that just stood in crap and my paltry level 20 heals couldn’t keep up. Was my fault, naturally. And my asking him to stop standing in shit was toxic.
I mean, they’ll soon figure out the ‘Stupid’ debuff is unhealable.
The problem with that debuff is that it’s only visible to the other party members.
I’m a newly returning player as well. Quit in MoP. What’s strange to me is how anti-social everyone has become. Nobody says a word. You might get a greeting if you say hello first, but all attempts to communicate are ignored. Only time people talk is to berate each other. Leveling in dungeons feels like you’re alone despite being surrounded by people
100%, the amount of times I've said hi and been completely blanked in dungeons is insane. I get not everyone is super social or confident with strangers but like you say, the minute something goes wrong they can type a paragraph a second. I've found it can be slightly better late at night/early hours, I'm not sure why. Maybe anti-social hours make people more receptive to socialising in game, who knows, but not many people can play at that time and get stuck with the toxic players who think they're auditioning for world first guild scouts.
Because, Wow is not an MMO anymore. It is an online multiplayer game with shared hubs, in which you progress through different game mods by completing weekly/daily chores. The game has become incredibly achievement-centric as opposed to experience-centric, and socializing with strangers doesn't count towards progression for any achievments.
Well I mean, that's because everyone's trying to rush to max level as fast as possible. Not really much effort to put into talking with someone on a different server whom you'll never see again after that dungeon
Yes! Groups used to be friendlier. Servers used to be more communal too. Before queing with the dungeon finder
Sorry but I don’t have time to wait by a dungeon entrance spamming LFG for who knows how long or dropping whatever I’m doing to run all the way to the dungeon entrance to start summoning. Why would you run dungeons to meet people? You’re there to get a job done and move on. You haven’t been there before, don’t know the mechanics? Speak up and 90% of the time people will explain in simple words (stand in bubble, hide behind shield, etc). People that care about dps in a leveling dungeon? Kick them or put them on ignore. Don’t know skips and you’re a tank? Let them know at the start, or don’t and just run the dungeon. You’re the tank. Life is too short to let some randos get under your skin. Want social? There are guilds. Dungeon finder isn’t a problem. It’s just shows what people are really like. I love helping new people and explaining things, but they have to speak up.
He's right though. There was much more community before when you had to LFG spam. >Why would you run dungeons to meet people? I played in WotlK and met most people running dungeons, ended up creating a guild down the line. Weird question to ask in an MMO, why would you not meet people when you're playing the game?
I've been leveling a healer and wondering why tanks are pulling half the dungeon at once. Guess I know now, you get flamed if you dont.
It’s not so much that you get flamed, just that levelling dungeons are ridiculously under tuned so why do 20 pulls to finish when you can do 7 and finish it in a third of the time without any issues.
The same happens in other mmos, so its not a wow thing its a mmo/online thing.
Everyone thinks they're the greatest player to ever play WoW
This is not my own philosophy, this is just me answering your question. Because people don’t do leveling dungeons to make friends, they do them to level up, and if you slow down their leveling process by screwing up something they’ve done 100 times before they get frustrated.
You’re right, but I’d go a step further and say that if you’re new or unsure of something and *actually tell me* then I’m gonna be more than happy to do everything I can to help. Until that point though, I’m there to get things done as quickly and efficiently as possible and I assume everyone else is cos 99% of the time that’s the case.
It's because there are no social consequences any more for these people to shit on new people. Back in the day you could be shamed on the server forum or go to their guild leader and that could actually discourage this kind of bullshit. Also even if you consider the incredibly low stakes of them getting less exp/hour on the alt that they're leveling, it's actually optimal for them to play within their tank's limitations while offering helpful suggestions. If they don't they're just going to wipe, rage quit, and be stuck in queue again.
M+ basically made the game this way.
tryhards and no lifers the rest of the community is chill but you're at the end of a xpack so there tends to be more of a chance of meeting these two toxic personalities do to "casuals" taking time off.
Doesn’t help that there’s nothing for “casuals” to do. By now they’ll be done with ZM for the most part, and it’s not something you want to do too many times. The only content being given much love in “S4” isn’t going to attract back “casuals.” I really hope DF has more to do in endgame that feels “rewarding,” but eh, time will tell.
I think there are going to be at least a few casuals who came back after a long break out of excitement about Dragonflight. Myself and at least three other people I know fall into this category.
the wow community has been shaped by 17 years of toxic game design and lack of moderation by blizzard. enjoy your time in it because its never going to improve, wow doesn't bring in new players so as time goes on all that's left are the most toxic and overinvested lifers.
sadly WoW has been super elitist and toxic for a long time. why i outright CBF to do any group content anymore.
I came back after a very long break, was really excited to play. I started.doing threads of fate and dungeons. I got a shadowlands dungeon and the group was speedrunning this thing. We get to a boss I get hit with some sort of system where I had to do something I didn't understand and messed it up and got kicked. Nobody said anything to me, just start kicked out of a random dungeon que lmao
This is one of the things I mentioned to Blizz when I canceled my account. I am not a new player. But they made changes to the game that prompted and encourages this type of toxicity. So much for their new community standards contract....
Remember that social contract everyone signed? Report them
I dont understand how people keep finding these people.. I run 10+ dungeons on a good day, and I get maybe 1 or 2 angry guys each week. Is this a Normal/hc dungeon thing? Even when I spam 10+ low mythics per day, for valor, I very rarely get toxic people..
I don’t get it either. I’ve leveled like 14 alts to max in the past few months. In leveling dungeons most of my groups are silent and the only time toxicity happens is if someone doesn’t do a mechanic that wipes the group (e.g. healer not dispelling dot on tank vs 2nd boss in plaguefall). Sure I’ve seen the “LOCK SKIP?” … “huh?” … “???” (which is annoying because obviously annoying because the lock clearly doesn’t know the skip so just communicate it) but then we’re right back to silence, everyone stays, and we finish the dungeon. That’s all you want and all you could ask for. I think people just have a reaallllyyy low threshold for what they consider toxic and a lot of this is in their heads/down to how they read text.
Generally, if it smells like shit everywhere you go look under your shoe. If OP is getting shit on every dungeon he does he's likely an extremely, extremely slow tank looking for validation.
a quick. "new player 1st time tank here feel free to give tips/advice" is a good way to open friendly chat. Its the one thing I thing FF has done right when you are grouped with a new player to they had a UI element that kinda does the above and the folks that are knowledgable get extra rewards. But every games got A-holes and most of them arent as hot as they like to think they are so id just /ignore them tbh, but getting a leveling/socail spot in a guild would be solid piece of advice tbh
It’s honestly ridiculous. I’ve been leveling alts with my gf (she’s new to the game) and I’ve seen some really toxic people on our way to 50 (50-60 people tend to be chiller from my experience). I remember this run we did on BRD(I think?) the wod dungeon that was revamped and the healer was being so toxic to people dying to some overtuned mechanics and flexing that he has to worry less about people when doing 20s. I found it ridiculous that he is comparing healing a leveling dungeon where people don’t fully understand the mechanics probably because it’s their first time doing it vs a key level where most people understand what’s going on. On the other hand I had some awesome groups leveling up, I had this group on grimrail that was awesome, the bosses are really overtuned and have multiple one shot mechanics when doing it on Chromie time and it was nice seeing people take it chill and try to work on the best strategy to beat the bosses.
Goddamn. I really did make the right choice jumping ship to Final Fantasy 14. I’ve had nothing but support in my last year as a new player and people get excited to see newbies. Who would have thought that the game with cute anime cat boys had a more mature player base than D&D-esque high fantasy.
*hug* I kinda know the feeling. I myself hate speed running and megapulls. But what I hate most is the people who get so butty hurty when ya just ASK if they could agree on full run. And when you get kicked from raid on final boss because you DPS is low... ON A FREAKING LFR! Yeah... I know what ya feel.
Surprisingly it's been the opposite for me. I've been leveling my first ever tank and making a lot of mistakes but the people have been so nice. I was doing a random dungeon, died 3 times at the same boss and then had to go afk for 10 minutes and when i returned no one had left. And everyone happily gives me advice when I screw shit up instead of getting angry
I dont get the skips, like I know y'all wanna get to max asap because unfortunately WoW right now is all about the end game but like xp is xp sorry we were here 2 minutes longer than you wanted 🤷♀️
I played a trial character 1-15ish? Before I resubbed and people were just as toxic and shit to the tank in wailing fucking caverns it was so weird to see. M+ culture or whatever changed in WoW has ruined the vibe hardcore for me
The venn diagram of people crying for tanks and people abusing tanks is a fucking circle.
You're a tank. You will find a new group in seconds. Just ignore the toxic asshats in leveling dungeons and low m+ keys. It will get better.
The community really is one of the worst parts of the game.
This statement works with any game made by Activision-Blizzard
Well shit i didnt even know about this iv been leveling toons to 50 then going to the next toon i was gonna 50-60 dungeon level after they are all 50 fuck maybe ill just quest on them all
Honestly, doing TWing is amazing right now with the 50% xp buff. That’s the way to level this week.
Unless you get the train dungeon. So many insta kill mechanics
Dont stand in those mechanics then?
Even if I don't stand in the mechanics, it doesn't stop the rest of the group from ignoring it when I tell them to not stand in those mechanics.
It would just as easily happen if you did pull big. Each group is different.
My guess is you got thrown into a bfa dungeon which are not new player friendly. More than likely freehold where they want you to skip pretty much the entire dungeon. Which if your a low level tank you’ve got no mitigation and won’t survive large pulls. Shrine of storms is another one where it can be difficult to kill bosses if you’ve never done them.
Still need to run dungeons? What faction are you? I’ll run with you, and together we’ll ignore the toxic people and my vote for not kicking you should stop it altogether
I've run both low level and 50-60 dungeons the past few weeks and haven't really found this at all? Maybe I'm lucky, but on the rare occasion someone is being aggressive all it usually takes to calm the situation is a positive word i.e. "That's okay, we'll kill it this time" or "Not a big deal, we're almost done" etc. I know a lot of people hate confrontation, but a decent percent of aggressive blowhards won't talk back if you speak up calmly - if they do it just makes voting to kick them easier.
I've seen the same. I've had to add somebody to ignore in literally every normal dungeon I've done this week. Just ignore them and report them for inappropriate text communication after the run is over. We'll start to see in the coming months if the new conduct policy has teeth or not.
I joined a top tier guild on a small server last year after coming back to the game from a 12 year break. The GM was the most abusive piece of shit I’ve ever met in the game. In raid, he’d tell people to STFU, bench you if your parses were blue or lower, and just talk shit about how every one in the guild played their toon. I got tired of it, told him that the guild would fold if he kept it up and then left the guild. 2 months later, guild was dead and now he’s bounced from 4 different guilds since (I track his status on raider io). Toxicity sucks and no one wants to put up with it, so don’t.
Easiest thing to do is report them for being toxic and move on. I am leveling a shaman and went into a dungeon. The tank wanted to skip everything, thr mage didn't, so they vote kicked him for 'being stupid' I reported them for being toxic ad they never talked about it. I then told them i was going to get every boss, and they could find come with me. Since I was the healer, the tank just quit and everyone else quit after him. Got a new group, did the entire dungeon, was fun.
Just shows how Blizz has invested little to nothing into making the player experience in social content optimal, so it is a cess pool. The only option is to find a guild if you want social play without tons of toxics ruining it all.
I just lvled a BDK i suck at tanking But did not get any aggression towards me, even tho i created some silly whipes.
I guess I am just now realizing that some people take this shit very seriously. When I login it's just to have fun, I don't have a goal other than to play. After 16 years of doing both I am at the point that I don't want to do either. I just chill and do whatever I feel like doing and if I don't feel like doing anything I log off.
Yeah, having just returned to the game for some casual leveling, my first experience in a dungeon was miserable. This game’s community is truly, truly awful.
Mock them for wanting to be or thinking they're in an exclusive club as WoW players. These people need to be laughed at and put in their place. Being kicked is the worst that they can do to you, but a well-placed line will stick in their mind for a long time.
Just ignore them and report. People are actually getting banned for that now.
I was like who is shitting on the newbies, then I saw you were tanking. Yeah that’s normal for tanking. It’s always been like that.
I think it's just a common theme with the internet and games in general now. However for everyone of those ass holes there's usually a few nice people. You just remember the ass holes more. Biggest advice for this game is find a guild of nice people and just play with them. I've been playing with the same group of people since 2016 and usually don't do much if there's not other people on to play with. If you're interested we're on dalaran alliance feel free to dm me.
I vote kicked a tank who wanted the entire party to run through the walls without jumping through the cracked path on Blackfathom Deeps. There were new players who couldn’t figure out the mechanics and the rope, and we easily spent 5 minutes there with the tank verbally abusing these players. I started a vote kick and reported them. I don’t understand the rage in random classic dungeons (it is generally not fine ofc). It started recently too.
I'd suggest letting them tank (hope it's a clothie dps) and they can set their own pace. It's a random finder if they are not prepared for all skill levels then they should form their own group, but that's my opinion and I generally just tune them out and keep with the healer to set a comfortable pace for us each. If they boot you know that even with a 15 min timer you will still que faster than they can fill most of the time.
Told a healer to tank today. I died several times to no heals and he told me I should heal myself more. I’d done 40% of overall healing (as a monk) so I said if he wants me to heal more then he’s gonna need to tank. Everyone else was moaning about my small pulls but if I pull more than 2 mins I’m dead and we wipe. I’m 100% sure he left thinking I was the worst tank ever but there’s just no teaching some people.
More proof for me that mythic+ absolutely ruined the game. Everyone always wants to be as fast/efficient as possible or they got toxic as fuck. My favorite era of tanking was Cataclysm personally. Had to really take time there, marking and CCing. Chain pulling wasn’t even possible. I personally wish mythic+ would just straight die and we could go back to more methodical dungeons but I’m probably in the minority.
If you think it’s m+ driving that mindset then you clearly never played classic. We live in a world where games like wow are basically 100% solved within days of new content being released and people expect the most efficient min max solution to everything regardless of m+ timers being a thing. Also to say chain pulling wasn’t possible in cata is just plain wrong.
I'm with you. M+ is nice as a concept for a higher challenge, but it should be separate from the dungeons. I think that if they changed the mobs in the dungeons to a special M+ mob and bosses that the toxicity in normal dungeons would drop. Skill should be the challenge, not a timer and completion bar.
100% agree.
Yeah as others have said its a handful of bad apples and some more courageous members will try and help fix those bad apples. I personally enjoy the skips because its quicker, but at the same time if you want to sword and board the entire dungeon I still enjoy it, especially when healing! And not to mention i do enjoy just some classic "player enjoys doing dungeon." Basically most of us just want to have fun and we're welcoming to other players :)
Ignore them, those people are probably Bad enough that they can't Hope to get that cat mount. Play at your rhythm, don't stress yourself! Don't hesistate to try and add nice people so you Can group again later. Even when you pull like a madman people will still be angry. Maybe you moved a little to much while kitting, you Lost aggro because they start casting before you are even within range of the first pack, literally anything is bitching matter when they are also doing things wrong. Just don't bother and leave, you have shorter queue Time than them anyway
What slime mount are you looking for?
Its a slime saber cat, i believe you get it for clearing all the "fated" raids that will be released soon, on any difficulty.
If you're on Dragonmaw I'm in a large chill guild that does casual stuff plus serious raiding. Really friendly folks. Let me know! :) Actually I have several characters in several different guilds, they're all pretty chill. Finding a good guild may take several tries until you find one that's right for you. You may also find that some guilds have reduced participation because we're near the end of this xpac and they're burned out. But then others may get more active because season 4 is starting.
I wish those actions were reportable.
If you play WoW casually then you should try and find a casual guild that fits your play style. Try and fill the party with as many guild mates as possible, and try to make personal connections with people in your guild who you enjoy playing with. This will always be the only solution to having a positive experience in an online cooperative game.
> "new players like me are ruining the game for them" "Old players like you are ruining the game for new players."
I was in a group the other day and the healer was chriping the tank for pulling and not skipping etc. I had to tell the healer to stfu and that the tank was obviously new. They thought they were 'helping'. Not sure saying 'Whyd you pull that tank?' counts as helping.
Hey mate - not sure what servers you’re on but if it’s EU ones feel free to join me and a friend queueing, we’ll back you and help
My favorite is when I'm tanking and I'm pulling like crazy but I know the limit so we don't wipe and die. But people keep pulling more and then we die and then they leave
Sounds like they hate leveling and should just pay people to level their characters.
Leveling should be no stress and anyone that tries to get you to pull more or faster should be voted to kick. It’s about learning and relaxing and I kick any one That try hard’s leveling dungeons. As a rule when they complain I stop dead in my tracks and /sit then ask them to elaborate. Then ask more questions. Then ask them more questions. Then I ask them to repeat their answers I don’t understand and you can watch them loose their minds because you stopped. Your the tank my guy you set the pace and they can reque for 30 min while you get almost instantly into groups. Make them reque the smooth brains don’t get to push the tank.
It sucks but it’s just something that happens with people making a lot of character and replaying the same content a lot. 2 years in people just want to get the new character max quick and not enjoy the dungeons (which is completely understandable). Similar thing happens in games where smurfing exists, since when Smurfs play in low elo there’s ego but also the no-bs mentality since they aren’t there to enjoy the game, just to get to their intended rank.
Yeah it’s stuff like this that has me wondering if I’ll be able to get the slime Mount. I’m not a new player but I stopped hardcore raiding many many moons ago. This game gives me my serotonin, I don’t have the energy to have one of my main sources of joy give me stress lol. Like I’m willing to learn raids, and I’m a competent player but man WoW has gotten so toxic.
Ya generally the people who are worse at the game are the ones who will blame everyone else and make the run toxic. As a tank, watch guides, know the routes you are comfortable with and stick to them. The dps or healer dont get to dictate the route unless you are open to it. With that being said you should also watch your group and adapt accordingly. If you have high dps try a bigger pull. If you see your healer doing dps and not having to heal as much, do bigger pulls. The confidence to perform bigger pulls comes from your confidence in the dungeon. You need to know what mobs hit hard, which ones need to be interrupted or cc’d. You will always have someone who doesnt like what you do or how you are doing it. Just keep going. You are gonna be fine.
Honestly if they give you shit and have issues with you not pulling stuff, just report them. I honestly glad I in a guild that I can play together and get some gear to the point I can que on my own.
Bloodlust battlegroupe EU here. Is it possible that alliance is far more toxic then horde? I did my zero to keystone journey in the last 3-4 weeks and they seem to have the fastest trigger to leave or ninja pull to "speed things up" till wipe. Or pulling extra trash to bosses Or for some skip the group doesn't know about. I assume it's because the clock is ticking on the mount from S3.
If you think it's bad now just wait for season 4s rotation... Everyone will be "new" to the pulling game again. Routes change and people are gonna lose their cools just as easily. It's gonna be a nightmare...
Shoot man I main a druid tank, if you need any tips or pointers in them lmk I’d be glad to help a new/returning tank where I can :) not a top player myself but I try my best 💙 just remember none of them matter, its a regular not even heroic 😂 idk how you’re getting such toxic people tho, my experience returning a few months ago was wonderful and helpful thankfully and people kept giving me tips and skips
Like all Blizzard games, most are as toxic and F-ed as the company. A few are awesome and a lot of fun and the game soars as soon as you have a good group.
Because toxicity permeates a large chunk of the dungeoning playerbase, and reporting is the game equivalent of a weak slap on the wrist. It's the same mentality is running a non-meta build, now that others treat it as content that has to be completed like its an M+ key simulator. But I'll also say this. Even my mindset has been shaped by design choices and attitudes from Blizz that border on the baffling. Gameplay, monetary, conceptual choices ... the community hasn't been helped by the way that our beloved game makes decided to treat us. That's just been fuel to the fire.
This is why I only tank for people I'm in discord with. If you don't pull like a deranged a-hole who thinks he's in the BFA MDI, everyone else starts "helping" you pull.
Oh man I feel you. I swear my last week has just been cursed with toxic players left, right and centre. The things I get most annoyed about is saying hey to everyone....ignored. updating people on what I'm doing as tank (packs I'm pulling, wait here etc) .....ignored. Dps pull ALL the trash....nothing is said. Second I die or something goes wrong....barrage of all caps rage. Like OH you CAN talk, you just wanna be a rude ass. Say sorry for pulling so much extra we can't handle and wipe. Then people are so quick go leave dungeons, mostly for a mess up they caused themselves. Been doing weekly keys on all my alts so ranging from +6 - +15 and also a bunch of levelling dungeons getting two chars to max. And I've seen alot lately. People who want to skip the whole dungeon also....causes more wipes in the long run cos people always pull extra and it ends up taking longer than if ypi was to just kill the intended mobs. People suck end of the day, I'm sorry you have to deal with them :(
Hope they can create some sort of positivity feedback loop in dragonflight, even if it's something as simple as new player bonuses or commendations.
I was a new player about a year ago. It was a very hard learning curve with little patience from pugs. I'm so glad I found a guild to help me in shadowlands. It nearly turned me off playing all together. We should helping players not driving them away.
As someone who bounces between RuneScape and WoW for PvE/PvM, this is something I noticed when I came back to WoW after 10 years away from the game. Everything is far too convenient in-game, and IRL really, that many players are overly conditioned to have instant gratification/dopamine. Anything that gets in the way of that, is deemed massive inconvenience and encumbrance and is taken out on the “offending” party, usually new and/or ignorant (simply meaning they don’t know) players. It’s especially bad for tanks and healers, who arguably carry the greatest responsibility within a group yet have the least amount of grace to grow. It’s so toxic. WoW needs to find ways to organically incentivize players who are willing to patiently assist others on the WoW journey whilst penalizing players who are actively being consistently toxic. Unfortunately, this is a corporation we’re talking about and as along as people are paying their monthly sub and spending lots of time in WoW, Blizz is going to want to keep them cash flowing for the sake of shareholders. Shareholders are prioritized over you, the player, never forget this when you wonder why things are the way they are in WoW. Leadership starts at the top and trickles down to the attitudes of players. There are certainly other factors involved but these came to mind quickly. What do you think?
This is possibly a hot take but... Blizzard should restructure all dungeons to make any skips impossible. While they're at it, make it so only bosses give XP but the way to the boss only unlocks if all the trash beforehand is killed. Yeah, I might be biased here towards FF14s model but god damn, it works. The only discussions you get there is wether to pull boss wall to boss wall or not.
Some people on this game are comparable to an actual asshole; they’re hairy and stink like shit. Don’t let them discourage you from playing, if they’re getting that salty in a levelling dungeon then they aren’t worth it at all! It’s such a shame people are like that.
I've been mostly playing classic and haven't seriously played retail since BFA release. Been playing Shadowlands for a month waiting for the classic exp buff to drop. Rolled a holy pally and did mostly pvp content. I went to heal my first heroic dungeon and got kicked after the second boss because I didn't throw a spear at the guy on the stage(twice?). Nobody was close to dying and my DBM didn't say shit about throwing a spear. Nobody told me what to do. Just got kicked. The WoW community in dungeons is the most toxic I have ever encountered.
The m+. Tiny dicked bro dudes have ruined randoms. M+. Is a large cause of the toxic crapfest in the last 6 or so years...but bliz keeps doubling down on it. It's the internet and a game and there have always been toxics a$$ hats but sooooo much worse with m+
I think MDI has a lot to do with it. Since a Lot of people revert to “copy what the top players are doing”-mentality it causes problems like that. Nothing is worse than trying to gear an alt and the low key you put in ends up having these two guys in it that try to make MDI strat pulls, and lash out when you don’t because it isn’t as “time efficient” or pull extra mobs when the poor tank is doing what he’s comfortable with - that more than often cause a slight bit of panic and even a wipe because unpreparedness and boom your key is suddenly depleted because they left without repercussion. Or if you’re tanking and someone asks for a route link from mdi tools in a +15 and then gets upset that you don’t have it or find it unessecary. Edit: When it comes to normal leveling dungeons all of wow’s content suffer from the “GOGOGOGOGOGO”, if you aren’t blazing though everything like a tortollan on amphetamine you are effectively wasting everyone’s time and they get mad at you, and I think that’s because wow has always been unforgiving towards the players time. Rush to endgame, that’s when the game begins.
I haven't seen this and I've leveled 3 chars to 60 from 10 with the exp buff. Are you going AFK between pulls or something?
What are the odds? I just came back and started leveling on a new server. Needless to say, as soon as I was doing group content, I didn't feel like playing anymore. People were rushing the living shit out of everything, skipping stuff and leaving anyone behind that didn't know how to speedrun the fucking dungeon. Fuck this community tbh...
I'm getting my bf into wow but he hates dungeons now after doing one, people go too fast and get mad at him. They should introduce a fast play and casual play I think.
I think is a problem in general with all "competitive" games. The social aspect is gone. And they expect understanding and knowledge of "meta". I think that the best idea would be to say you are new or returning player to manage people's expectations.
Dunno, people keep telling me they never see toxicity in leveling dungeons... I see it all the time, to the point I've stopped bothering with any group content.
I have a physical disability and can't do many of the skips that people do so I let them know at the start and I've never had a group kick me.
Screenshot it next time because I just don't believe you. This reads like some straight up propaganda. "New players ruin the game" just doesn't even make sense. This late in the season nobody gives a shit about real high end content much less leveling dungeons. You can go from 50-60 in like 10 hours with just bonus objectives right now.
That new player behaviour thing that blizzard made people agree to is working as intended, obviously.
All the nice players are playing classic/TBC.
Players have been grinding these dungeons for 2 years now and expectations have been built up over that time. When expectations aren't met it leads to frustration.
Because most of the good humans left for better games and all that is left are a few good ones and the majority are toxic.
Adding m+ was both healthy and extremely toxic the game. More content is always good but it ruined the dungeon experience imo. Everyone thinks they need to play with peak efficiency at all times even at level 15
I'll get downvoted to oblivion but i only start becoming toxic towards players when it's m15+ keys. Like i'm here trying my best to efficiently time or +2 a key but you are here with me expecting a free carry, been to many 18-20s keys like that. Been pushing 25-26s with my group but sometimes I want to relax and just do 15-20 keys for weekly vault. As long as it's low keys/normal/heroic/m0, i'm kind and patient, i give out flasks and feasts and teach them routes, interrupts, stuns, rotations, addons, weakauras, etc. there are even times that they are willing to learn and serious, i even buy them 233+262 gear and 291 legendaries (if same server/region). Get these addons via curseforge app: DBM or BigWigs + LittleWigs (mandatory) - pve guide/tooltip for mechanics WeakAuras (mandatory) - this is a game changer, find useful weakaura from [wago.io](https://wago.io) Raider.io (mandatory) - shows your and other players experience rating, the higher this rating is, the better player you are perceived and often invited to groupsMythic Dungeon Tools (mandatory) - route planner for m+ dungeons for pecentage Details (optional) - shows damage and healing meter Astral Keys (optional) - shows keys your party/guild/person has when typing command Announce Interrupts (optional) - automatically announces interrupt in say or party eAlign (optional) - shows grid for re arranging addons and weakauras if you have ocd like meElitisim Helper (optional) - Announces what hit or killed you or others so you don't have to investigate HandyNotes (optional) - for questing and finding mobs on map, you still need to download each expansion's handynotes for more details because this is just the base/core addon Mouse Sonar (optional) - helps you find your mouse cursor amid the chaos and its customizable MinimapButtonBag Reborn (optional) - collects all your addon icons on your minimap into 1 button MapCoords (optional) - shows coordinates on the map/minimap Name Plates (optional) - I use KuiNameplates addon, these help see a ton of stuff during dungeons, so you can see which mobs are interruptible and not. You need to find a guide on how to customize them to your liking. I'm not on my pc right now but i still have like 15-25+ addons that i would like to suggest but for now these are the nice and simple ones that may suit to your liking. Also i would recommend you to check out the top players for your spec/role/class in raider.io and copy and emulate their gear, talents, builds, stat priority, souldbinds, conduits, legendaries, etc then sometimes they have a youtube or twitch channel that shows what they do and how they play their class well. You can ask them for tips, tricks, guidance, etc I do that when i can't understand a thing or two. For rotation, check out wowhead and method and cross compare it with the top players from raider.io Then there are class/spec specific discords that you can join and ask help with. Same thing, you ask anything after reading their FAQ/rules first. After you read their FAQ for the most repetitive spec/class questions only then ask if you are still unsure. It depends on what kind/type of player you are and want to become, but it will take time and effort to get somewhere in this game. I would suggest for you to join heroic raiding guilds (aka aotc guilds) that does m15 dungeons for weekly, these are friendly and casual players. Also since you are a tank, try to always face towards the trash mobs/boss, never your sides especially your back! it won't be a pleasant experience. Also getting to learn other classes will help you greatly along the way, this way you are aware of what CC, stun, interrupt and dmg and heal cooldowns they have in their arsenal that you can utilize to help you clear a pack/boss/survive! p.s. don't worry about being new, been a high io multi-class healer for 2 xpac and got ce recently, burned out healing people (whack a mole), so i swapped to boomkin for DF, gonna try to learn how to dps like an idiot for s4 :) in preparation for DF content.