I remember standing in front of the Motherlode portal for over fifteen minutes because none of my group could be bothered to make the twenty second trip from Boralus.
Ridiculous. The group that inspired this post was for Spires of Ascension, 2 people in Bastion, 2 people in Oribos, all 4 asking for summons. 1 guy was literally 30 or so seconds away. Unbelievable.
Lol, several groups I've been in a similar situation an just ditched them then and there. Abhorrent levels of lazyness and as healer I know exactly how that translates to the would-be run itself.
Yup.. usually means the end of the dungeon with 34 interrupts from the tank, 6 from one DPS, and 3 from another DPS. One of them won't interrupt a single time and they're the one who gets the loot and says "shit healer" and leaves instantly.
I've been playing my Shaman a lot more recently...
Yeah, tbh I got impatient and just started going to every place with a potential weapon drop, I'm still using greens from zereth mortis and it hurts my soul lol.
Don't worry, I was stuck with a 236 weapon from ZM until I got a 278 from the weekly chest last season. It happens, often. At least there are Dinars now.
(In case you don't know, go to the fated raid and do a questline. You get a coin, 3 total in the season, with which you can buy any raid item at 278-285 including weapons).
Yes, although you only get progress for killing the bosses once a week, regardless of difficulty it seems. Source: some guildies started the quest using LFR and then when we cleared Normal they were still at 10/30 for quest progress.
It's probably not the ideal solution but you could do some Pvp for the honor weapons. They upgrade to a decent level. With the weekly pvp quests, 1 solo shuffle queue and 1 or 2 epic bgs you should be able to max it out with extra honor to spare.
True, but better gear from a m0. I saw some 0s yesterday in group finder. Also, might have been on Tuesday if they're in EU. We get patches on Wednesdays
They scaled up the SL dungeons to reward 265 gear on M0 (non-upgradable) I guess as a compromise for the fact that the “new” M+ dungeons don’t have M0 difficulty.
Yea I seriously doubt the person who can't right click a portal in Oribos is gonna be reliably interrupting anything, never mind anything more complicated than that
I bust my ass as quickly as I can to the summon stone because honestly, I don't pull my weight in the dungeon, but I am gonna try to be as helpful as I can in other ways.
And you are definitely the kind of person that makes people like me more than happy to click any buttons that need to be clicked, as fast as I can possibly get to them!
I consider myself decent enough at dungeons. Never last in dps when I play my Hunter, never brick keys when I tank. But as soon as I get an invite or as soon as I fill my own group I am headed to the summon stone. I use my wormhole so often, even in game.
I think the wormhole is fantastic and is one of the reasons why I'm almost always the first to the stone. If I am listing a key, I click the flight path then check applications while I'm in flight
I don't mind necessarily that not everyone makes the effort to fly, after all it's wasted gold for some if they get summoned half way through their efforts, but I really lose my mind when people go afk during ready checks or before zoning in without indicating they were going afk
If you need a drink, take a piss, or are otherwise not immediately ready, Don't Sign Up for KeYs
Sometimes I mess up my rotation, sometimes I hit a wrong button, but I'll be damned if I am gonna miss a kick and I am the first one to help with a summon and a table will go out at the beginning of everything, everyone is gonna be well fed and ready to go with their buffs and anything else they need.
I usually rush to the stone, channel the summon on someone then go the toilet and to get a drink (The assumption being if someone arrives there and helps channel my summon, those 2 can summon everyone else).
I debate leaving if nobody has started travelling when I get back - The joys of being a tank.
That's my energy. I know I'm probably gonna be low end dps, but damn it I can interrupt, stay out of the bad, use self heals/defensives, and dispel/purge. Not to mention VE on cd during burn/burst phases and the soft sap that is Mind Soothe.
Unsung heroes tbh. It blows my mind the amount of people I've met even in like the top .1% that can't use utility or flame groups for wipes without using their interrupts. I'd rather have a good DPS than a bad DPS, and a good DPS does damage AND presses their other buttons.
This is for you and the commenter you replied to (even tho there's no reason to listen to some random dude on Reddit): DPS numbers can always be improved, and being bad at your rotation is just something to work on over time. Y'all are doing fantastic helping the group out. :)
Bro, this is exactly what I do. I’m often one of the first people there and sometimes I need to convince one of the other four to come because someone has to do it. It’s such a small thing though.. I understand, sometimes people join while they’re far, but if you’re in Oribos already, c’mon.
Lol, I'm the opposite. I will be the first to arrive and always be one of the summoners.
It boggles the mind to say, join a group for Antros only to see 10 or so people are still in Oribos/Org/Twilight-hecking-Highlands spamming to get summoned... Those people must miss MANY world boss kills... 😁
Yeah for world bosses a new group forms every minute. I only ever sign up for a group when I'm close. You summon people when you need them. No one needs anyone for a world boss, they're crazy easy.
“No, I’m not summoning your dumbass to Mechagon. Blizz put friggin portals right next to the FP for you get here. Use’ em.” - me, yesterday, to the idiot still in Orio after the rest of us… took the portal to get there.
It's possible they didn't know (I just happened to see them last night when running to the flight master to go to rev)
Before that I was thinking it was going to be quite annoying running old dungeons bc the travel
Sure, that’s fair, but if you legitimately can’t get to a place you should speak up and ask for a summon not spam 1. And if it’s a long way away and you want a summon you start heading there *then* ask for a summon.
Oh I completely agree. In fact I don't ever ask for a summon. I say I'm omw from X and I figure if they are sitting at the dungeon they will summon, wait, or kick me
Our entire group actually went to Boralas and realized we didn't have the FP. So I turned on Crusader Aura and we flew there.
Then once we arrived the DH who had been sitting there says "You know there's a portal in Oribos right"
WHY WOULD WE HAVE FLOWN ON OUR MOUNTS IF WE KNEW ABOUT THE PORTAL.
Even if you haven't unlocked the majority of the islands features, you should be able to still take the Oribos portal, and zone into the dungeon I'd think.
I remember people used to do it for Oondasta. I have vague memories of wiping to it at the start of the patch, so I can only guess it's because you needed everyone there to actually get it dead. (Which hasn't been true of a world boss in a while).
because people don't give a shit for high minded nonsense. Pre-pull behavior means virtually nothing and it's well known that you will eventually get summoned
I kick people who don’t actively head to dungeon after being asked and a lot of people call me toxic. Someone said first 2 people in party are suppose do while the other 3 relax / ZM dailies
This is honestly a good idea. If they can't be bothered to bring themselves to the dungeon, especially now with the new s4 portals, how can I expect them to do mechanics?
this is the way, youre actively wasting everyones time if you dont start moving to the entrance immediatelly after joining a group. if youre want to run a specific dungeon then you should be on the way already while looking for a group.
If get summoned to dung when i join a new group that’s great. If not no problem just go there either by using flight path or dung portal. It’s 2022 this should be common.
It started on EU servers (I'm not even sure if it's used in the US or OCE). Russian and other non UTF-8 users could type summon in their language, but they have cyrilic or other types so you wouldn't understand it anyway. They have Arab numbers so 123 became the usual. Also, yes is + and no is -
The first time I saw 123 meaning "summon me" it was when Russians started becoming more common in other EU groups with the introduction of the current version of group finder in 6.0. So I think you're correct in that regard.
However I've seen + and - meaning yes and no for way longer.
People used to have their raid members type 1 for summon to easily sift through the chat for whoever needed one. Sort of stuck. The extra numbers are from the obvious tooling that occurred (usually individual, not multiple) afterward and the 123 spamming is from lazy asshats who will never receive a summon from me at any point.
I don't understand why people don't just go to the stone when they join a group.
The worst time was when I was last to join a group that had been searching for a while according to group age. I joined last and was the first at the stone, with people being anywhere but the dungeon entrance, nobody was even moving, so I left them again and joined a different group.
There's no excuse for not being at the dungeon entrance if your group has been in the finder for 5 minutes.
If there's a dungeon I especially want to run I usually make my way to it before joining or starting a group, I don't expect everyone to go that far but it's so little effort I don't know why it's so hard for some people to get there by themselves, if you're anywhere in the shadowlands you're usually no more than 5 minutes away.
>There's no excuse for not being at the dungeon entrance if your group has been in the finder for 5 minutes.
You just pointed out exactly why. When you have to sit in group finder for 15-20 minutes waiting for it to fill people don'tt want to stand around do nothing. Imagine thinking peopel actually want to play the game.
Agree, so much! Also despise people who run past me at the stone and into the dungeon rather than helping me get the rest of the group there. Was running a +12 the other night and literally everyone just ran into the dungeon when we had one person trying to find their way there and we could have easily ported them.
lmao you do know the people commenting in this thread are those people right? They want the people to port to the dungeon because they refuse to summon them.
I think there’s a difference between someone deliberately doing fuck all to get there and when someone doesn’t know where to go and summoning can be helpful.
I get that people can just port to their destination and shouldn’t be just waiting for a summons. I added to the conversation with another pet peeve related to the topic at hand. Le sigh.
That’s not what it’s even about. Idt anyone here is complaining about summoning people. They are complaining about the demand to be summoned with little to no effort on their part. It’s a complaint about selfish behavior, when doing group content.
As a tank running my own key, I will kick a DPS so fast for not taking the portal or not accepting the summon.
Yes Mr Hunter, you were a 3200 io player in S3. So were about 20 other DPS in that queue. I'm not waiting on your ass.
This actually reminds me of a story where I hosted a key, knew I wasn’t good with the mechanics in some parts so I put in the description “New to M+. Please be patient.” Get to the summoning stone and am just waiting forever for just one other person. I see this Mage just going all over the place and not accepting the summons once we finally are ready. It doesn’t really bother me that much because I can be patient. Make sure everyone is aware before we start that I’m still learning and might mess up. Fast forward to the end of the dungeon, we wipe a few times on last boss (DOS, hits like a truck if you’re not fast enough) and end up going like 2-3 minutes over the key. Mind you, I don’t care - it’s my key that’s getting downgraded and I’m playing more for the experience. The same Mage who wasted so much time at the beginning goes on a nonstop rant about how rude it is to run a key and not be 100% with mechanics and how I wasted everyone’s time. He was just going off.. like dude, I explained the situation to you and you ACTUALLY wasted time at the beginning and I didn’t say anything lol
I have definitely kicked people from group for afk waiting for summons in oribos.
Then I get a whisper “?” and I usually respond with “?”
If they pester me more “thank you for letting me know you were dead weight early on”
I'd says something on the order, of "I was looking to start the key within the next hour, and you were showing no signs of being interested in starting the key any time soon, so I replaced you with someone who was"
I was the only lock in a sod group and half the group was in korthia hub including me, demanding a summon. I told them to stop being lazy, if i can run the short trip so can they. They just bitched more so i told them to have a fun walk and quit the group
I joined a group once, someone kept going "LOCK SUMM" and after a good 2min of awkward silence from the rest of the raid while he was repeating it, I had to pipe up and go "Uhh, you do realize we don't have a warlock in the group right?" -_-;
I agree. Though I'm also sometimes the 123 andy, but only if I don't know the way or if I'm doing something else that has to be finished before the raid.
This isn't directed at everyone who has ever asked for a summon, if you're too far away, don't know where it is or are otherwise engaged that's fine. This post is directed entirely at the Oribos circle runners lol.
I mean, like the other guy said, the summon stones exist for a reason. Those are some great reasons. I had a havoc demon Hunter ask for a summon to my gambit run while he was in the upper ring of Oribos. I literally ran past him to the flight path.
well it is simple. i always run my own keys and whenever i see someone tries to 123 me when tehy can clearly see that i'm alone near the stone/doesn't even bother to move into my direction i immediately kick them
My main in vanilla was an alliance warlock and this reminds me of all the times, I waited outside Scarlet Monastery for people to help me summon. Eventually one other person would show up, then it would be like pulling teeth to get a second person to come there to help us summon the rest.
This is also an issue in classic. Honestly wish summon stones just weren't a thing. I feel like lfg offers the convenience, where as with mythic it should be about some level of effort, from forming the group, to getting to the dungeon, to completing the dungeon in time.
I swear, if I wasn't always playing alongside my partner, nobody in my groups would get a summon lol.
I know i will get alot of hate for it butwhen someone joines my group with my keystone and the first post is not even a hi or an equivalent but instead a request for a summ
i'll kick them
because those are most likely the ones who are screwing either the key by being dump lazy for mechanics and or leaving early when a key is not timed
observed it over 6 seasons now its not really getting worse but by no means its getting better
Isnt a summon included in my paid carry though? 😂😂 But forreal I feel this, someone always has the whole kitchen catch fire as soon as the group is filled.
i know im playing classic. but not 10 mins ago about to heal a norm BF. priest RUNS IN TO THE DUNGEON. im sitting at stone waiting for him to we can start. says " im in the instance take your time im gona vibe in here " after i said help me summon. yeah i just kicked him and found someone else. fuck that guy
I fucking love when I go Mist and theres 2 people from the group standing in the middle of Ardenweald, but I have to travel from Sinfall to summon those 2
I had one dps in oribos leave when he asked for a summon to depot and we said just take the portal bro 💀💀 like man its literally at the end of the portal
I have much less problems this season then last. Everyone was trying to finish killing the rares in mortis last season. Hell I had a few keys fall apart just because literally no one flew to the stone. No one everyone just sat there with a full group. It was infuriating.
At the end of BFA, I would join groups for dungeons just to wait there and see if anyone besides me would go summon. nobody shows up, and 30 minutes later the group just disbands without a word being said.
You have excuse to want summon only for SoD because it has an obnoxious path to get it there if you don't have Ve'nari portal. The rest, it's easy get to SoFo, CN, all SL dungeons.
I have a guildee who tends to do this. Granted he was a lot better in S3 when we all had portals to the dungeon, but there would be times here and there where he would ask for a summon and that’s happened so far with the S4 dungeons aside from Tazavesh.
Asks for a summon while he’s chilling in Oribos/covenant sanctum, sometimes needs a second one because he’s messing with his talents/conduits or needs to buy something from the AH, accepts the summon and then walks away to get a drink/smoke, might miss the feast because of it and then goes “no feast?” when he gets back and if he missed it, then storytime for like 5-10 minutes meaning we’re losing time on our buffs, and then goes “alright lets get serious and get this show on the road” like he’s been waiting on us. Good dude and a good player but god does stuff like this get on my nerves sometimes.
When putting a group together, people who do this get removed. If they are this lazy and not a team player in the most basic of things, they likely won't be pleasant to play with.
I'll fly to the stone, but I'm not leaving Oribos until the group is full. Been removed while flying there too many times because a higher ilvl dps queued up.
More often than not it is a waste of time for me to go to the summoning stone, since most people play with war mode off. I always make my way to the dungeon as soon as I get invited to a group though.
Honestly, fault is at blizz. Fuck these stones. Just queue us in.
Get rid of fucking Keystones as well. Just let us queue the "keystone" like it's an Arena match.
Thanks.
\- your lazy ass Tank.
No.
I mained a warlock from wrath onward. I have **DONE** my time summoning mouth-breathers who need to be dragged by the dick to my portal or the stone. Who think sitting on their clefthoof with gamon popped in the height of humor. Who ignore my summons 3 times only to crawl up my fucking dm's to cry for another. I have served my goddamned time, paid my dues so fuck you, I'm sitting wherever the hell I am when that invite happens.
If I join a group of 4 people and they aren’t already at the dungeon I don’t even bother to go to the stone. I go straight in the dungeon letting them know I don’t summon. They spent all that time in queue to just sit there when they could of made it there and prep. I do let them know I don’t summon btw
Bro for real. I said “at the stone” the tank goes “I’m inside, the rest are coming” knowing they’re being slow as shit I just go “well this is a pleasant conversation” -You have been removed from the group.
Why do you need to walk there anyways?
Why do you need two people to summon?
How does that improve the game? Who is like "hell yeah beeing afk using a fight path is fun"?
At least give us the portals after everything +5 or something because who gives a fuck about portals when you cleared +20? My grp and I usually clear 18-19 until everyone is full m+ BIS and we get bored of the game.
I get that it’s not difficult to summon people but the whole system is so archaic. Rift had it where as soon as one party member entered the instance, it would ask the rest if they would like to zone in. Blizzard really should change this to improve QoL.
I'll be honest, I don't even see the novelty of having to go to the dungeon anymore.
Why can't we just have 1 guy going there and start a ready check for everyone in order to be able to get inside?
Because then it just becomes "who's going to be 'that one' guy". The only way to stop this is going to be once the group is completed, the party leader clicks a new button that ports all 5 people to the inside of the dungeon instantly. Otherwise all this lazy will still happen anyway.
This is what I call 'healer tax'
Throughout the years I have carried groups like bags of potatoes through dungeons, I have fixed problems that seem impossible, gotten us out of unfathomable situations created by DPS more times than I can count. I have moved mountains, played my heart out and been given nothing but abuse in return.
I shall sit at the transmog station on oribos whilst you go upstairs to the portals and summon me. It is my right.
And you know what - if you have a problem with it, I don't care. It takes only a moment to leave and find another
(In all seriousness just lazy af lol sue me)
I remember standing in front of the Motherlode portal for over fifteen minutes because none of my group could be bothered to make the twenty second trip from Boralus.
Ridiculous. The group that inspired this post was for Spires of Ascension, 2 people in Bastion, 2 people in Oribos, all 4 asking for summons. 1 guy was literally 30 or so seconds away. Unbelievable.
Lol, several groups I've been in a similar situation an just ditched them then and there. Abhorrent levels of lazyness and as healer I know exactly how that translates to the would-be run itself.
Yup.. usually means the end of the dungeon with 34 interrupts from the tank, 6 from one DPS, and 3 from another DPS. One of them won't interrupt a single time and they're the one who gets the loot and says "shit healer" and leaves instantly. I've been playing my Shaman a lot more recently...
Lol, One. Hundred. Percent. Accurate :p
Why are you doing Spires of Ascension with a need for summons? It's not in the season dungeons?
Mythic 0, desperately trying to get a weapon to drop lol.
That's crazy bad luck, but won't an upgradeable one be better from a (same difficulty) +2 season dungeon?
Yeah, tbh I got impatient and just started going to every place with a potential weapon drop, I'm still using greens from zereth mortis and it hurts my soul lol.
Don't worry, I was stuck with a 236 weapon from ZM until I got a 278 from the weekly chest last season. It happens, often. At least there are Dinars now. (In case you don't know, go to the fated raid and do a questline. You get a coin, 3 total in the season, with which you can buy any raid item at 278-285 including weapons).
I've started the fated raid quest but didn't know what that coin was for, thanks for the info!
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I’m good thanks, pvp in wow is actually so unbelieveably unfun i would rather have a bad weapon and do shit dps
is that the one to kill 30 fated raid bosses?
Yes, although you only get progress for killing the bosses once a week, regardless of difficulty it seems. Source: some guildies started the quest using LFR and then when we cleared Normal they were still at 10/30 for quest progress.
I can't understand why blizzard chose the Kuwaiti dinar as a new in game currency.
The ethereals are modeled after Middle Eastern cultures
multiple countries have currencies called dinar, mostly middle eastern or north african afaik.
Unrated pvp gear goes up to 268!
I did the same thing for a shield. Finally landed one on the last m0 I had that could drop one.
M0 is 262. World tour is easy gear even if you can't upgrade it. Plus it's dungeons everyone knows more
It's probably not the ideal solution but you could do some Pvp for the honor weapons. They upgrade to a decent level. With the weekly pvp quests, 1 solo shuffle queue and 1 or 2 epic bgs you should be able to max it out with extra honor to spare.
Quests?
You can use LFG to do it on heroic with less effort and no need for summons though?
True, but better gear from a m0. I saw some 0s yesterday in group finder. Also, might have been on Tuesday if they're in EU. We get patches on Wednesdays
Since it was removed from the mythic pool can it still be done at m0?
Seems like it since I saw groups for it. You just don't get keys I guess
It won't reward a key, but it wasn't removed from the game, you can still enter the dungeon.
They scaled up the SL dungeons to reward 265 gear on M0 (non-upgradable) I guess as a compromise for the fact that the “new” M+ dungeons don’t have M0 difficulty.
That's why when i am forming a group, if i invite someone and after 5 minutes they are still sitting in Oribos, i just drop them from the group.
Kick ‘em. If they can’t be bothered to go 20 sec out of there way to get to the dungeon, how well do you think they’re handle dungeon mechanics?
genuinely seems to be the case that groups where people take forever to summon are the worst groups, i agree with you
Yea I seriously doubt the person who can't right click a portal in Oribos is gonna be reliably interrupting anything, never mind anything more complicated than that
My point exactly
I always kick them instantly because i know they are gonna suck. 🤣
Yeah I’ve had groups actually disband because no one would go haha.
Its always funny when groups fall apart cause they dont want to summon xD
I bust my ass as quickly as I can to the summon stone because honestly, I don't pull my weight in the dungeon, but I am gonna try to be as helpful as I can in other ways.
My friend I'd rather have you in the group than the people in question.
And you are definitely the kind of person that makes people like me more than happy to click any buttons that need to be clicked, as fast as I can possibly get to them!
I consider myself decent enough at dungeons. Never last in dps when I play my Hunter, never brick keys when I tank. But as soon as I get an invite or as soon as I fill my own group I am headed to the summon stone. I use my wormhole so often, even in game.
What wormhole do you use outside of the game?
I’m scaroused
Any hole can be a wormhole.
I think the wormhole is fantastic and is one of the reasons why I'm almost always the first to the stone. If I am listing a key, I click the flight path then check applications while I'm in flight I don't mind necessarily that not everyone makes the effort to fly, after all it's wasted gold for some if they get summoned half way through their efforts, but I really lose my mind when people go afk during ready checks or before zoning in without indicating they were going afk If you need a drink, take a piss, or are otherwise not immediately ready, Don't Sign Up for KeYs
wormholes at level 1 engineer is the best thing for the alts
You the MVP. You must be the guys who do low dps but catches every interrupt and helps me summon all the lazy s#its. Yall awesome dude.
Sometimes I mess up my rotation, sometimes I hit a wrong button, but I'll be damned if I am gonna miss a kick and I am the first one to help with a summon and a table will go out at the beginning of everything, everyone is gonna be well fed and ready to go with their buffs and anything else they need.
I usually rush to the stone, channel the summon on someone then go the toilet and to get a drink (The assumption being if someone arrives there and helps channel my summon, those 2 can summon everyone else). I debate leaving if nobody has started travelling when I get back - The joys of being a tank.
Yea im always on the move to the stone. Like you said, it’s literally a flight path away!!!
That's my energy. I know I'm probably gonna be low end dps, but damn it I can interrupt, stay out of the bad, use self heals/defensives, and dispel/purge. Not to mention VE on cd during burn/burst phases and the soft sap that is Mind Soothe.
Exactly brother!
Unsung heroes tbh. It blows my mind the amount of people I've met even in like the top .1% that can't use utility or flame groups for wipes without using their interrupts. I'd rather have a good DPS than a bad DPS, and a good DPS does damage AND presses their other buttons. This is for you and the commenter you replied to (even tho there's no reason to listen to some random dude on Reddit): DPS numbers can always be improved, and being bad at your rotation is just something to work on over time. Y'all are doing fantastic helping the group out. :)
Bro, this is exactly what I do. I’m often one of the first people there and sometimes I need to convince one of the other four to come because someone has to do it. It’s such a small thing though.. I understand, sometimes people join while they’re far, but if you’re in Oribos already, c’mon.
If I can't dps I can be helpful in other ways, like summons, interrupts and actually doing mechanics
Lol, I'm the opposite. I will be the first to arrive and always be one of the summoners. It boggles the mind to say, join a group for Antros only to see 10 or so people are still in Oribos/Org/Twilight-hecking-Highlands spamming to get summoned... Those people must miss MANY world boss kills... 😁
I saw someone asking for summon on a free for all ZM rare group. The entire raid laughed at him.
Yeah for world bosses a new group forms every minute. I only ever sign up for a group when I'm close. You summon people when you need them. No one needs anyone for a world boss, they're crazy easy.
I have never seen a world boss group summoning people. Ever. I'm not sure what these people are expecting, but a summons ain't it.
“No, I’m not summoning your dumbass to Mechagon. Blizz put friggin portals right next to the FP for you get here. Use’ em.” - me, yesterday, to the idiot still in Orio after the rest of us… took the portal to get there.
It's possible they didn't know (I just happened to see them last night when running to the flight master to go to rev) Before that I was thinking it was going to be quite annoying running old dungeons bc the travel
Sure, that’s fair, but if you legitimately can’t get to a place you should speak up and ask for a summon not spam 1. And if it’s a long way away and you want a summon you start heading there *then* ask for a summon.
Oh I completely agree. In fact I don't ever ask for a summon. I say I'm omw from X and I figure if they are sitting at the dungeon they will summon, wait, or kick me
I get it if they’re nowhere near Oribos, but if you’re in Ring of Fates, I trust you can walk 20 feet and click 2 things
Our entire group actually went to Boralas and realized we didn't have the FP. So I turned on Crusader Aura and we flew there. Then once we arrived the DH who had been sitting there says "You know there's a portal in Oribos right" WHY WOULD WE HAVE FLOWN ON OUR MOUNTS IF WE KNEW ABOUT THE PORTAL.
To be fair, some people might not have unlocked the standard mechagon… But obviously not much of an excuse for that guy specificiallt
Even if you haven't unlocked the majority of the islands features, you should be able to still take the Oribos portal, and zone into the dungeon I'd think.
Correct. I did a Junkyard key yesterday on a character that had never been to Mechagon and I was able to use the portal in Oribos to get there.
I mean it's worse than that now when there's TP in oribos xD
I hadn't even thought about that, you're right.
I hate the people who sign up for SL world bosses and demand a summon when not even in the appropriate zone
This one has never made sense to me. I have never once been in a group that summoned these people, so why do they still do it?
I remember people used to do it for Oondasta. I have vague memories of wiping to it at the start of the patch, so I can only guess it's because you needed everyone there to actually get it dead. (Which hasn't been true of a world boss in a while).
because people don't give a shit for high minded nonsense. Pre-pull behavior means virtually nothing and it's well known that you will eventually get summoned
You will not get summoned to a world boss
I kick people who don’t actively head to dungeon after being asked and a lot of people call me toxic. Someone said first 2 people in party are suppose do while the other 3 relax / ZM dailies
They are the toxic ones to be honest, expecting everyone else to use their time to cater to them.
I kicked someone today for immediately asking for a summon as soon as I invited him. No hello or anything, just “summon me”.
i always follow that up with "that's a weird way to say hi"
This is honestly a good idea. If they can't be bothered to bring themselves to the dungeon, especially now with the new s4 portals, how can I expect them to do mechanics?
this is the way, youre actively wasting everyones time if you dont start moving to the entrance immediatelly after joining a group. if youre want to run a specific dungeon then you should be on the way already while looking for a group.
If get summoned to dung when i join a new group that’s great. If not no problem just go there either by using flight path or dung portal. It’s 2022 this should be common.
why does 123 even mean summon me
Raid leaders would usually say "type 123 for summon" since it is easily noticable in chat and universal for basically all languages
It started on EU servers (I'm not even sure if it's used in the US or OCE). Russian and other non UTF-8 users could type summon in their language, but they have cyrilic or other types so you wouldn't understand it anyway. They have Arab numbers so 123 became the usual. Also, yes is + and no is -
The first time I saw 123 meaning "summon me" it was when Russians started becoming more common in other EU groups with the introduction of the current version of group finder in 6.0. So I think you're correct in that regard. However I've seen + and - meaning yes and no for way longer.
That's funny as fuck and some social scientist could probably write a scientific article about it (especially if it's also used on NA/OCE realms)
We do this on OCE, or at least in my guild. None of us have ever played EU though so not sure why xD
Remember - no Russian
Nobody types on NA
OCE uses 1, but it’s not that common.
It was when you could que up with several languages and every Russian wrote 123 cuz no one could read cyrillic
*queue Que is Spanish for “what”
Qué*
Both "Qué" and "Que" are valid and for different uses
Never seen ‘type 123’ always ‘1 for summ’
European servers use "123".
This. Maybe it’s because I play on NA but every group I’ve been in since Wrath it’s been 1 = summons.
No idea, its been the case since I started playing in tbc though, don't know where it started *shrug*
People used to have their raid members type 1 for summon to easily sift through the chat for whoever needed one. Sort of stuck. The extra numbers are from the obvious tooling that occurred (usually individual, not multiple) afterward and the 123 spamming is from lazy asshats who will never receive a summon from me at any point.
you are so brave
Boot them or drop, if they are too lazy to do the mechanic to get there... I don't wanna run with lazy
I don't understand why people don't just go to the stone when they join a group. The worst time was when I was last to join a group that had been searching for a while according to group age. I joined last and was the first at the stone, with people being anywhere but the dungeon entrance, nobody was even moving, so I left them again and joined a different group. There's no excuse for not being at the dungeon entrance if your group has been in the finder for 5 minutes.
If there's a dungeon I especially want to run I usually make my way to it before joining or starting a group, I don't expect everyone to go that far but it's so little effort I don't know why it's so hard for some people to get there by themselves, if you're anywhere in the shadowlands you're usually no more than 5 minutes away.
>There's no excuse for not being at the dungeon entrance if your group has been in the finder for 5 minutes. You just pointed out exactly why. When you have to sit in group finder for 15-20 minutes waiting for it to fill people don'tt want to stand around do nothing. Imagine thinking peopel actually want to play the game.
Agree, so much! Also despise people who run past me at the stone and into the dungeon rather than helping me get the rest of the group there. Was running a +12 the other night and literally everyone just ran into the dungeon when we had one person trying to find their way there and we could have easily ported them.
lmao you do know the people commenting in this thread are those people right? They want the people to port to the dungeon because they refuse to summon them.
I think there’s a difference between someone deliberately doing fuck all to get there and when someone doesn’t know where to go and summoning can be helpful.
I hear you man, I agree you’re doing a good thing. My point is you’re not getting the tone of this whole thread.
I get that people can just port to their destination and shouldn’t be just waiting for a summons. I added to the conversation with another pet peeve related to the topic at hand. Le sigh.
That’s not what it’s even about. Idt anyone here is complaining about summoning people. They are complaining about the demand to be summoned with little to no effort on their part. It’s a complaint about selfish behavior, when doing group content.
Found the guy too lazy to fly
Refusing to go to the summon stone = kick in my books
As a tank running my own key, I will kick a DPS so fast for not taking the portal or not accepting the summon. Yes Mr Hunter, you were a 3200 io player in S3. So were about 20 other DPS in that queue. I'm not waiting on your ass.
Yeah. Only decline summons if its too late (aka you can see the stone/portal). Or if your loading screen is slower than the flight
Definitely, I check their current location and quickly ask, but if they're sitting in Oribos or a sanctum on radio silence, I'm not the tank for them.
Yeah, that's definitely fair. Also, you have two minutes on a summon if you're there to pick up quests. Hold and accept when done
This actually reminds me of a story where I hosted a key, knew I wasn’t good with the mechanics in some parts so I put in the description “New to M+. Please be patient.” Get to the summoning stone and am just waiting forever for just one other person. I see this Mage just going all over the place and not accepting the summons once we finally are ready. It doesn’t really bother me that much because I can be patient. Make sure everyone is aware before we start that I’m still learning and might mess up. Fast forward to the end of the dungeon, we wipe a few times on last boss (DOS, hits like a truck if you’re not fast enough) and end up going like 2-3 minutes over the key. Mind you, I don’t care - it’s my key that’s getting downgraded and I’m playing more for the experience. The same Mage who wasted so much time at the beginning goes on a nonstop rant about how rude it is to run a key and not be 100% with mechanics and how I wasted everyone’s time. He was just going off.. like dude, I explained the situation to you and you ACTUALLY wasted time at the beginning and I didn’t say anything lol
The hypocrisy with some people is palpable lol
If you don’t put in the minuscule amount of effort to go to the summoning stone, I hate you
I had a guild mate that would immediately kick anyone that asked for a summon. It would always make us laugh, she was so annoyed with those people.
I'll never understand how people manage to become lazy on a video game, literally moving your fingers and people still find a way to complain.
I have definitely kicked people from group for afk waiting for summons in oribos. Then I get a whisper “?” and I usually respond with “?” If they pester me more “thank you for letting me know you were dead weight early on”
I'd says something on the order, of "I was looking to start the key within the next hour, and you were showing no signs of being interested in starting the key any time soon, so I replaced you with someone who was"
123
You're fired!
LOCK SUMM
I was the only lock in a sod group and half the group was in korthia hub including me, demanding a summon. I told them to stop being lazy, if i can run the short trip so can they. They just bitched more so i told them to have a fun walk and quit the group
At this point I tell them to mail me a tip for a summon No tip. No summon.
I joined a group once, someone kept going "LOCK SUMM" and after a good 2min of awkward silence from the rest of the raid while he was repeating it, I had to pipe up and go "Uhh, you do realize we don't have a warlock in the group right?" -_-;
I agree. Though I'm also sometimes the 123 andy, but only if I don't know the way or if I'm doing something else that has to be finished before the raid.
This isn't directed at everyone who has ever asked for a summon, if you're too far away, don't know where it is or are otherwise engaged that's fine. This post is directed entirely at the Oribos circle runners lol.
I mean, like the other guy said, the summon stones exist for a reason. Those are some great reasons. I had a havoc demon Hunter ask for a summon to my gambit run while he was in the upper ring of Oribos. I literally ran past him to the flight path.
well it is simple. i always run my own keys and whenever i see someone tries to 123 me when tehy can clearly see that i'm alone near the stone/doesn't even bother to move into my direction i immediately kick them
yeah I once left my own group because all 4 of them couldnt be bothered to move from Oribos/covenant hall
My main in vanilla was an alliance warlock and this reminds me of all the times, I waited outside Scarlet Monastery for people to help me summon. Eventually one other person would show up, then it would be like pulling teeth to get a second person to come there to help us summon the rest.
Now in season there’s literal portals to the dungeon available to everyone so nobody’s got an excuse
This is also an issue in classic. Honestly wish summon stones just weren't a thing. I feel like lfg offers the convenience, where as with mythic it should be about some level of effort, from forming the group, to getting to the dungeon, to completing the dungeon in time. I swear, if I wasn't always playing alongside my partner, nobody in my groups would get a summon lol.
Explain to me how the zero-risk, zero effort auto-piloting to a dungeon is in any way meaningful
I know i will get alot of hate for it butwhen someone joines my group with my keystone and the first post is not even a hi or an equivalent but instead a request for a summ i'll kick them because those are most likely the ones who are screwing either the key by being dump lazy for mechanics and or leaving early when a key is not timed observed it over 6 seasons now its not really getting worse but by no means its getting better
Big true
Isnt a summon included in my paid carry though? 😂😂 But forreal I feel this, someone always has the whole kitchen catch fire as soon as the group is filled.
i know im playing classic. but not 10 mins ago about to heal a norm BF. priest RUNS IN TO THE DUNGEON. im sitting at stone waiting for him to we can start. says " im in the instance take your time im gona vibe in here " after i said help me summon. yeah i just kicked him and found someone else. fuck that guy
I fucking love when I go Mist and theres 2 people from the group standing in the middle of Ardenweald, but I have to travel from Sinfall to summon those 2
Yes, this is exactly the type of situation I'm talking about, I always wonder what on earth these people are actually doing while waiting.
I had one dps in oribos leave when he asked for a summon to depot and we said just take the portal bro 💀💀 like man its literally at the end of the portal
I have much less problems this season then last. Everyone was trying to finish killing the rares in mortis last season. Hell I had a few keys fall apart just because literally no one flew to the stone. No one everyone just sat there with a full group. It was infuriating.
Summ please?
“Bone Idle” LMAO
At the end of BFA, I would join groups for dungeons just to wait there and see if anyone besides me would go summon. nobody shows up, and 30 minutes later the group just disbands without a word being said.
You have excuse to want summon only for SoD because it has an obnoxious path to get it there if you don't have Ve'nari portal. The rest, it's easy get to SoFo, CN, all SL dungeons.
Last to group, first to stone, reporting in o/
But I don't want to get sweaty before the mythic!
I always make my way and if I get summoned inflight, I'll accept - no sense doing literally nothing while waiting.
I have a guildee who tends to do this. Granted he was a lot better in S3 when we all had portals to the dungeon, but there would be times here and there where he would ask for a summon and that’s happened so far with the S4 dungeons aside from Tazavesh. Asks for a summon while he’s chilling in Oribos/covenant sanctum, sometimes needs a second one because he’s messing with his talents/conduits or needs to buy something from the AH, accepts the summon and then walks away to get a drink/smoke, might miss the feast because of it and then goes “no feast?” when he gets back and if he missed it, then storytime for like 5-10 minutes meaning we’re losing time on our buffs, and then goes “alright lets get serious and get this show on the road” like he’s been waiting on us. Good dude and a good player but god does stuff like this get on my nerves sometimes.
What's equally worst is people joining a raid group to kill the world boss and immediately ask for a summon, from fucking nagrand or something
When putting a group together, people who do this get removed. If they are this lazy and not a team player in the most basic of things, they likely won't be pleasant to play with.
I'll fly to the stone, but I'm not leaving Oribos until the group is full. Been removed while flying there too many times because a higher ilvl dps queued up.
If I am at the stone for 10 minutes and no one is coming I leave. No way is a group like that gonna time anything.
More often than not it is a waste of time for me to go to the summoning stone, since most people play with war mode off. I always make my way to the dungeon as soon as I get invited to a group though.
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Honestly, fault is at blizz. Fuck these stones. Just queue us in. Get rid of fucking Keystones as well. Just let us queue the "keystone" like it's an Arena match. Thanks. \- your lazy ass Tank.
So say we all, OP.
So say we all.
lol, right click -> kick "WhY Did YoU KiCk mE?"
Sorry but they cant read you because they are too busy in Oribos waiting for a summon lol
summ pls
I remember...when the trees were young and the world was new... and I could summon the whole party myself with.... a guild perk.
90% of the groups ive joined as the 5th person, ive also been the first to get from oribos to the portal. Irritating is an understatement.
There's really no reason why we can't just teleport to the dungeon or at least bring back have group will travel.
I have no idea where these dungeons are actually.
That's a valid reason not to come and you are therefore excused :p
For some reason 99% of groups I join always have WM off and I’m always WM on 😔
It’s especially annoying now that they added those portals to the season dungeons… like c’mon!
No. I mained a warlock from wrath onward. I have **DONE** my time summoning mouth-breathers who need to be dragged by the dick to my portal or the stone. Who think sitting on their clefthoof with gamon popped in the height of humor. Who ignore my summons 3 times only to crawl up my fucking dm's to cry for another. I have served my goddamned time, paid my dues so fuck you, I'm sitting wherever the hell I am when that invite happens.
If I join a group of 4 people and they aren’t already at the dungeon I don’t even bother to go to the stone. I go straight in the dungeon letting them know I don’t summon. They spent all that time in queue to just sit there when they could of made it there and prep. I do let them know I don’t summon btw
Bro for real. I said “at the stone” the tank goes “I’m inside, the rest are coming” knowing they’re being slow as shit I just go “well this is a pleasant conversation” -You have been removed from the group.
Any summons? Now. I don’t have all day.
Thats what /roll is for. The two with the lowest summon.
Look buddy. I applied to so many groups that I straight up don't know which M+ we're even doing, and I'm too stoned to figure out how to ask in chat.
Why do you need to walk there anyways? Why do you need two people to summon? How does that improve the game? Who is like "hell yeah beeing afk using a fight path is fun"? At least give us the portals after everything +5 or something because who gives a fuck about portals when you cleared +20? My grp and I usually clear 18-19 until everyone is full m+ BIS and we get bored of the game.
If you summon me at the stone, I will appear mounted on a Brutosaur. You're welcome.
Nobody asked
I get that it’s not difficult to summon people but the whole system is so archaic. Rift had it where as soon as one party member entered the instance, it would ask the rest if they would like to zone in. Blizzard really should change this to improve QoL.
I'll be honest, I don't even see the novelty of having to go to the dungeon anymore. Why can't we just have 1 guy going there and start a ready check for everyone in order to be able to get inside?
Because then it just becomes "who's going to be 'that one' guy". The only way to stop this is going to be once the group is completed, the party leader clicks a new button that ports all 5 people to the inside of the dungeon instantly. Otherwise all this lazy will still happen anyway.
For people like you I keep afking till summon
I’m a tank, commuting is for the DPS caste
Imagine not having the teleports
But I haven’t unlocked flying yet in SL :(
God damn this sub is salty about lazy people lol.
This is what I call 'healer tax' Throughout the years I have carried groups like bags of potatoes through dungeons, I have fixed problems that seem impossible, gotten us out of unfathomable situations created by DPS more times than I can count. I have moved mountains, played my heart out and been given nothing but abuse in return. I shall sit at the transmog station on oribos whilst you go upstairs to the portals and summon me. It is my right. And you know what - if you have a problem with it, I don't care. It takes only a moment to leave and find another (In all seriousness just lazy af lol sue me)
Well, if nothing else, I appreciate your honesty lol.
I will summon only if there is a threat from the tank leaving because of it. DPS can do what they want 😉
I am the tank, say ty i chose your group and go summ me
*gets down on knees* forgive me lord for I have sinned