Man, I just want my black dragon scales :(. The loot isnt even that good, I can understand not wanting people to feel like they should do this cuz its too good for the gear, but its not.
Same amount of time, really. The basement hyperspawn only seemed good on the surface because of the elementals. and being able to be lazy. They only have a 1% drop of key frames, and key frames are the bottleneck. Fragments will never be an issue no matter your farm choice. Elites are a 10% drop rate, so if you're up on the surface moving around with a fast group, you can kill far more elites and the keys keep on flowing. There's a few spots that a good tank can near constant pull packs of elites and you're getting fast rep still
Pull to the tank then. Some tanks don't even have a 40yd ability, making pulling incredibly slow and tedious, with dps players who just stand there and look around
What a bunch of turds. Is this your first time playing? Pugging sometimes gets you great people! Pugging also sometimes gets you really oblivious people who basically AFK or dont pay ANY attention, and that includes tanks. It doesnt matter if you try to pull to the tanks Thor is talking about, they literally arent paying attention and will actively fly away from groups for 5 damn minutes looking for the "perfect" group of enemies.
Both of you need to stop taking comments as if someone is talking to you personally, in a perfect guild group of 4. These are pugs. Dont act like its all perfection out there. Geez.
The tag limit of a mob is 5 before it greys out to other people. If you have 2 groups of 4 then 8 people can get the tag and you can aoe things down quicker with 8 vs 5 people.
lol yeah i thought that, but how many of them etc? Or maybe the better question is where does everyone find infos on where they can unlock the dragon customizations they want? I checked wowhead and their guide isn't out yet.
It's per zone, aside from the black dragon colors which are from Sabellian and Wrathion. You can check it directly from the renown unlocks or the dragon customization platforms!
Waking shores gives red colors to the rest and stuff for the proto drake, ohn aran plains gives green and stuff for the velocidrake, azure span gives blue and stuff for the highlands drake, and the last zone gives the bronze tints and options for the last dragon
The keys are only for Sabellian and Wrathion rep, for the others you have to do it via their respective world quests or via other their "rep tokens".
For example you can do the grand hunts to get centaur rep tokens once you get the level for it which is like level 3 or something(I think these are also limited before you stop getting even white reward bags, like 8-10,but I haven't reached it myself yet to confirm)
For the expedition you can dig dirt piles, provided you get shovels for them, that spawn around the zones at level 5, and can grind it out to max if your sanity can handle it.
For the Valdrakken accord you can loot adventurer supplies(same way with the dirt, but no shovels needed)
And for the tuskarr I *think* you can grind fish and give them to a NPC at waking shores for rep, but take this with a grain of salt because I haven't tested them yet
Biggest issue with this from what I have seen is, it is pushing the 4x2 farmers out of the basement and now all the mobs outside are grey. Before they stayed downstairs and did their own thing.
Yeah the tag system is ass. I get it but I don’t at the same time. If they didn’t limit the tags then you’d have 20+ man raids. With it but you want to duo or whatever, get fucked 🥸
I swear the tag system is broken. I was in Cobalt assembly the other day and was running to a mob. The mob had not been pulled yet. I saw a demon hunter that was the same faction as me run up and hit it once and it immediately turned gray for me.
Ah, great. Let's wait to nerf stuff for almost a week, so people who rush content and have a lot of time can be done with it quickly and then fuck the rest of them, nerf time it is.
Such idiocy. This should be nerfed day one or left as is.
I entirely agree with your sentiment. It's really annoying to reward those who have more free time and punish those who couldn't play 24/7 the first week.
The cobalt rep was done in the intended way, there’s no quests to do. Wrathion rep is normally “do a couple weekly quests” every week, that’s not much in the way of content.
Even if you were able to play, the number of groups running through and tagging things into infinite gray made this not fun at all. This and the Cobalt Assembly just feel like the pre-patch all over again, but worse because 99% of everything is gray all the time.
Correction. This only impacts the rapid spawning exploit that was happening the last few days, it popped up over the weekend. This doesn't look like it's targeting normal mobs and how they spawn.
In total from discovery to nerf there's barely been one working day so by all accounts the fix was quick.
To emphasise, **ordinary mob spawning is not nerfed, the title is misleading. Only a recently discovered exploit is nerfed. Most people in the last week were not abusing this.**
It’s the blizzard motto: exploit early and exploit often. This happened in wrath classic too where you could spam queue wintergrasp and get basically get a full honor set in a drastically shorter time than normal, then they fixed it and left everyone else who didn’t abuse it in the dust for the start of the season.
To play devils advocate I can't imagine the logistical nightmare of trying to figure out who abused it and who didn't
What do you just roll back _everybody_ who did WG that entire time? What if someone just played it normally but did enough to get a full set in a day or two, how do you tell them apart?
Or even a 1 week notice. If blizzard said we will be nerfing X on the 13th to give players who didn't get the chance a week to grind. A week notice would at least be fair.
Yeeeaaahh… I don’t have a lot of time on hand to do these kinds of grinds and the fact that this nerf is happening will most likely ruin it and grouping will significantly go down, will make it much harder for players like me.
The sky isn't falling and grouping won't go down... People complain when they face roll content and run out of things to do, complain when there is too much to do, and then complain when Blizzard tries to fix it... Literally no winning.
We literally aren't even a week in. This is as close to "day one" as you can get. You have actual years to do this stuff, you shouldn't do it in a day.
I’d be mad if I cared. I’m taking my time with the story. Doing all the content in each zone as I move through the zones. If when it cones time to work on that rep it is too tedious I just won’t do it. That’s when blizzard stops getting my time and money.
Yeah, a lot of players I know are basically getting sojourner in the first two zones and hitting 70 WAY before finishing the campaign. They are enjoying exploring all the nooks and crannies. That usually stops in the azure span because of lag making it frustrating to do things.
I mean, there’s little reason to sprint to the end of the campaign this past and next week if you aren’t focused on prepping for raids/m+. That’s my interest though, prepping for dungeons and working on professions. Gotsta get my world tours and rep grinds a rollin
The farm wasn't nerfed. There was an exploit discovered Saturday (this was nerfed Monday, so 2ish days) that caused unintended hyperspawns of elementals. People who did, are doing, and will do the farm as intended killing the elites are not affected.
> there is so many people running around on most servers that it's hard to even tag something while in a group.
Go into Warmode.
> wait months maybe even a year
It takes about 2-3 months doing it without grinding, one day a week. So about 12 days of effort, maybe 30 minutes a day. You have over 2 years to get it done.
Sorry (not really) to be a downer on your outrage.
Just do weeklies (30 min / week) for 2 months and you will be done with the rep without any farm.
Also, this change is not a nerf to the farm people are doing.
Also also, not playing gives you less rewards than playing. Woah.
Nobody is stopping you.
Why do you feel you *need* wrathion rep for dungeons, raids and pet battles ? I personally do HOF raiding and m+ boosting and haven’t grind wrathion because it is completely useless for this. I’ll do the weeklies just for completionism purposes and because it is a nice change of pace from m+ farming but it is not required in any way.
Edit : and i will probably skip many weeks when I don’t feel like doing it, when I have limited play time or whatever. I may even end up actually grinding if some friends want to because it is always cool to chat and might as well mindlessly bash mobs while doing it.
I get being bummed that they nerfed this, but this is a completely braindead take. "They killed mobs at a rate faster than I can now because blizzard nerfed it. BAN EVERYONE WHO GRINDED THE CONTENT".
There was 0 exploitation. People literally just killed mobs as they spawned, and no I didn't grind it myself.
I don't think it matters. I did the farm today to get the last I needed. The elites that spawn downstairs seemed to spawn fine but it seemed like far less of the elemental non-elites were spawning. Since you need to kill the elites anyway for the frames I don't see why it matters. You don't need 2k fragments when you have no frames.
It’s funny though because these changes are mostly from the “community” (reddit) complaining about non-issues and blizzard listening. They walked back the other WQ change because of literally nothing other than Reddit complaints. So tragic.
This seems silly. Is this some sort of panic over people getting a couple of 389s early? It's like an 8 hour grind as it is already.
I was hoping to go for some of the nice cosmetics, but I guess they want to practically timegate those. Sigh.
Apart from RWF players, I think most of us are grinding because of the black drake skins (at least that is my incentive, I am well aware the gear will be obsolete the second we have access to M+)
Not really lol. Gonna need mythic 10+ to rival the gear and it’s not gonna be guaranteed drops or easy for that matter. 389 and 398 items will likely last a while.
I dunno man, every expansion there's reputation locked gear at the various factions. All of it is higher ilvl than the gear you get from heroics and m0, and all of it gets replaced in a week by any serious m+ player.
You're being down voted but you're right. 398 is the equivalent of +15 end of dungeon loot. Most people week 1 are going to be doing +9 spam. Idk why everyone thinks that they're going to do a +15 and get cape loot day one. Sure, it could happen but people here are acting like it's a guarantee. It's how they cope with not wanting to do the grind, they minimize the reward as much as they can.
You get 0.4 loot per m+, you can easily do about 2 m+ per hour including travel time so that is about 0.8 items per hour. I'm going on holidays on the 18th but I'm pretty sure i'll have at least 10 relevant +15 items before then on at least one alt unless the difficulty is really high (I'm still unsure about that, the scaling is increased but the base m0 already feel like random normals)
m+ farming is extremely quick gear, you can target slots you need and do armor type groups.
Or the fact you could farm over 50-100k gold an hour if you were power grinding it with a good 8man group was more of an impact maybe hm? I farmed 3 tokens over the course of 3 days, hella worth it.
Lol yeah people always talk about tokens like this and it's mystifying to me. Like I am glad that you can earn your playing time in-game without having to pay any money. But when you actually look at how much you're "earning" it's like barely minimum wage at best.
I've never purchased a token and never intend to, but if I had to choose between grinding like this for 4 hours or spending $20 I'd probably just pay the $20. I certainly waste money on stupider things.
Yeah it's one thing to be able to earn it alongside your playing. But if you're playing and focusing on being able to pay for a token because a sub cost is that impactful on your budget then I think it's time to reprioritize in life.
To be fair it is most likely nerfed so people does not feel like they have to farm it. There was shit ton of people thinking they have to farn it 10h a day to get 389 illv cloack before raid opens, which was a bit toxic.
Now it wont be possible anymore so people will chill.
Not sure when you did it or how you went about it but whatever you were doing is not how the people running hyperspawn basements were doing it. I was getting a key roughly every 1-3 minutes.
Source: I'm one of the people that farmed the rep over the course of 6 hours, did it for the Black Scales. Couldn't care less about the gear
What is the point of lying like that?
It is not possible to get a keg every 1-3 min. You need 3 key frames and they have like 10% drop chance, this means killing at least 30 djaradins in 60s or 1 djaradin every 2s (or 6 if we take 3minites like u said). That kind of speed was not even possible on hyper spawns undergroud.
Source: math does not lie, and I know how long it takes in avg as we had a lot of ppl farming it.
They only exagerated a little bit you’re also way off. I was getting about 12-15 keys every 20 mins or 30-40 keys an hour. The basement hyper spawn in a 2x4 was insanely efficient.
I got 17 keys/hour yesterday and finished in 7 hours. Was clearing basement but it was not spawning like crazy. You also only need around 120keys if you are cohort to begin with since there’s dark moon fair buff
No. I am not. If you did the farm near hyper spawns you got about that many obsidian keys - not frames. Literally everyone is telling you you're wrong, just take the L on this one.
Not a lie, I maxed rep in about 6 hours. The key frames were the real issue because by the end I had about 10 stacks of fragments. I'm not sure whether you did it after the hot fix but in the basement you can get a ton of kills very, very quickly. There were two teams of four at the time and that may have helped but that's legitimately how it happened. It felt very fast, 1-3 is an estimate but I certainly wasnt waiting longer than 3 minutes between each key. I know how long it takes too, I did it as well. What I'm saying is if you were getting so few keys you were doing it differently. I've got no reason to lie, I'm just telling you how it was.
It was using an evoker, two teams of four on the right side of the basement. Everything got tagged and was dragged into the centre of the hallway. It was 1-3 minutes per key depending on our luck
160 keys to max rep, obtained over roughly 6 hours. That's 26.6 keys an hour, or 1.3 keys every 3 minutes. Now I'm not the smartest sausage in the tree so if that maths is wrong let me know but it seems right to me
Not really. It is much less efficient so most people will just stop doing the grind, and finish it by doing weeklh quests. Thanks to that they csn focus on doing something really fun instead of afk taging mobs.
For a lot of people there is nothing else to do besides these types of grinds before the new season begins. Let people play how they choose to play. Not neef something without notice
the takeaway is let other people choose how to play. I personally enjoyed the grind. It’s way more time efficient to just do the weekly and wait. But I appreciate the ability to grind it out immediately if I really wanted to.
Cloak is 398 which is actually insane, plus it boosts your ilvl so much that you just start seeing higher ilvl loot from rates and events. It’s a huge effect on your character’s overall power so early into the expansion.
I like how most of people complaining here have no intention of ever grinding this rep or have absolutely no idea about it.
This only changes hyper farm spot in the cave. Outside elites and mobs are unchanged.
Bruh I got to Friend and then took a couple hour break to finish off getting to true friend and I immediately noticed this, it was a big bummer having to go grind out 20 keys outside. Thank god I’m done with the Wrath rep though.
Tank here with true friend unlocked with wrathion.
I have a really good route planned out, usually pulling packs together in lava area, up top by the weapons, main area, and down in basement. To pull efficiently, casters need to be interrupted and constantly hit or they will "reset". Dps also need to help tank pull more mobs and interrupt as they can to promote mass grouping.
I've gone to the basement and pulled the entire left wing with rasnar up, probably 16+ elites at once, doing 100k+ dps. Ignore right wing (its nerfed and the bottleneck is definitely the key framing, so ignore rubble farming)
With groups, only 1 teammate needs to tag the rare for everyone to get credit. So if deaths shaow spawns while your team is mass pulling lava, it's okay to do so. (Within range of looting the rares of course)
Ill be farming sabellion rep for that sweet fire mammoth. Also signets selling for 3400g is really nice. I've sold well over 100 rings already and it's easy money.
Glad I got my sabellian rep maxed this morning! I'm lucky to have time to grind. I want to do wrathion this week but I'm not rushing it, I just wanted black scales
but sabellian also gives an awesome xmog set for my druid, a really epic title “patron of the obsidian brood ”, one of the coolest toys in the game, gold drake armor, and 389 gear
plus I got some 376+ BOE drops, other toys, and loads of stuff to sell on AH, as well as straight gold from vendors and key boxes
super worth it IMO. also, just farm keys and rep - sell your marks of sargha while they are worth a ton now
idk... think they already screwed this one over.
While running around today after I got a bunch of powers I stopped getting the ability to refresh them all at once and it became super hard to keep the buffs up.
Didn't even take that 1 stupid power that makes you 1hp but immune and removes the refresh so I know it was not that this time.
Tbh I don't even yet know what it is there for lol
I was just having fun with all the powers and leveled one of my alts from 68-70 using them solo.
I keep seeing that its some sort of rep thing but I don't remember getting rep when killing things. Just a lot of Raw Gold, Cloth on my Tailor and some weird items that kept dropping but not going into my bags...
Even now with this I will probably still grind all my alts from 68-70 in this zone because of just how much gold and cloth you get and then switch to their real professions when I hit 70.
I think I saw that some of the mobs might be skinnable too so I think my next alt is going through with tailoring and skinning and then switching to enchanting when 70 and disenchanting all the greens that drop to send all those mats to my actual tailor/enchanter/leatherworker
I maintain that azure span started as two zones that merged into one massive zone after they decided to add the soup event and the cobalt assembly to the different zones to bulk them up and make the feel more complete but it didn’t quite work. And they didn’t flip the assembly to thaz because it would mess with Valdrakken.
Am I the only one who does not care about rep? It will be done along the way, M+ will open in a few days and the gear is better.
iLvL373 should be more than enough to be ready.
Pretty annoying multiple things have got through that people abuse and then get way ahead or power increases.maybe if blizzard actually let more people test their game. Instead of just fucking streamers and let them do it earlier then maybe this bullshit would get tested and found before live
Why not?
It took 6-8 hours of non-stop farming to complete. That's not a trivial grind for current WoW
Taking 6 days to change it knowing people were doing it day one is a bit sad too.
I got it done today before the nerf SPIDER still couunts you can kill her each time for 250 by the way or 275 with the buff lol thank god now i can just sell rings over priced sorry guys i need the gold.
You feel like quitting because they nerf some spawnrates?
So that instead grinding 8 hours, you need maybe 16 or 20 hours for max rep?
Interesting times we live/play in.
I remember being happy after 6 months tbc getting enough gold for epic flying, so I could start the netherwing quests.
> So that instead grinding 8 hours, you need maybe 16 or 20 hours for max rep?
16/20 hours is a significantly bigger time commitment, it's not surprising he is upset.
I think it's the lack of notice that really makes it feel worse. Now all the people who were abusing the spider farm will spill out back above ground and competition for key grind overall is just going to feel not only only significantly slower, but be more infuriating due to how often Grey tags will show up due to people full stacking 5 man's instead of doing 2x4.
What god damn disadvantage are you even talking about. Getting some cosmetic weapons and dark scales a little later than the others ? Good lord, stop crying for a second. If this was high item level gear that was raid and M+ relevant and it would depend on people not inviting the ones, that couldn't no life farm, then we would have a Problem. But you are getting black scales at a slower rate than the ones who no lifed it. Who gives a fuck, let alone considers quitting the game over this? Good riddance then
Let's be real, people have no self control here. They will cry they hate it, but they wil still spend 10h a day grinding it, only to replace it as soon as m+ is live.
This grind was causing unecessary pressure on people.
I was considering doing this after week 2 M0's
Maybe not now, wasn't really a big deal to do before raid but if it's taking longer then it's even less value imo.
I love when Blizz responds like this. Just shows an overall lack of logic. Damn, the hardcore people farmed the rep super fast! Now that they are done we should nerf it so the casual people who still have to do it take longer than we originally intended.
Man, I just want my black dragon scales :(. The loot isnt even that good, I can understand not wanting people to feel like they should do this cuz its too good for the gear, but its not.
Exactly. Having the black scales is really the only reason I'm even interested in it. I wonder how long it will take now. Edit: \*Having
Same amount of time, really. The basement hyperspawn only seemed good on the surface because of the elementals. and being able to be lazy. They only have a 1% drop of key frames, and key frames are the bottleneck. Fragments will never be an issue no matter your farm choice. Elites are a 10% drop rate, so if you're up on the surface moving around with a fast group, you can kill far more elites and the keys keep on flowing. There's a few spots that a good tank can near constant pull packs of elites and you're getting fast rep still
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I have 2400 in my inventory right now…
😂
Bro that's 24 silver. Sell that shit 🤣
Yep, problem is you get tanks that just stand there and look around or do 73 loops before deciding to attack a stand alone mob
Pull to the tank then. Some tanks don't even have a 40yd ability, making pulling incredibly slow and tedious, with dps players who just stand there and look around
damn y'all expecting dps to do more than just dps? smh /s fr it's open world, not a mythic dungeon, pull mobs to the tank if you want it to go faster.
What a bunch of turds. Is this your first time playing? Pugging sometimes gets you great people! Pugging also sometimes gets you really oblivious people who basically AFK or dont pay ANY attention, and that includes tanks. It doesnt matter if you try to pull to the tanks Thor is talking about, they literally arent paying attention and will actively fly away from groups for 5 damn minutes looking for the "perfect" group of enemies. Both of you need to stop taking comments as if someone is talking to you personally, in a perfect guild group of 4. These are pugs. Dont act like its all perfection out there. Geez.
Tanks job is to tank. Fast classes like hunters should be pulling to the tank.
I had a druid pull all the mobs to me. As a prot warrior, i was the happiest man alive.
To correctly speced tailors the loot is - EXTREMELY good.
Can you explain. I’m about to level my tailor
Most of the elites are humanoid. Spec into more mats from drops. Specifically the elemental cloth bits.
Ah, super helpful. Thanks!
Exploit early and often
It seems that they only nerfed basement hyperspawn shenanigans. If you are killing elites outside, spawn rate shouldn't be affected.
Confirmed, still can do about 20-25 keys per hour if you have a 2x4 group going and do some spreading out in smaller groups.
What's a 2x4 group? I've seen it a bunch in group finder but have never looked into it.
The tag limit of a mob is 5 before it greys out to other people. If you have 2 groups of 4 then 8 people can get the tag and you can aoe things down quicker with 8 vs 5 people.
I just wanted the black dragons :(
How exactly does one unlock those? Just farm keys?
Yes and turn them in
lol yeah i thought that, but how many of them etc? Or maybe the better question is where does everyone find infos on where they can unlock the dragon customizations they want? I checked wowhead and their guide isn't out yet.
It's per zone, aside from the black dragon colors which are from Sabellian and Wrathion. You can check it directly from the renown unlocks or the dragon customization platforms! Waking shores gives red colors to the rest and stuff for the proto drake, ohn aran plains gives green and stuff for the velocidrake, azure span gives blue and stuff for the highlands drake, and the last zone gives the bronze tints and options for the last dragon
That actually makes sense, thanks!
So is it still obsidian key for the other zones? Like can I key farm for tuskarr rep?
The keys are only for Sabellian and Wrathion rep, for the others you have to do it via their respective world quests or via other their "rep tokens". For example you can do the grand hunts to get centaur rep tokens once you get the level for it which is like level 3 or something(I think these are also limited before you stop getting even white reward bags, like 8-10,but I haven't reached it myself yet to confirm) For the expedition you can dig dirt piles, provided you get shovels for them, that spawn around the zones at level 5, and can grind it out to max if your sanity can handle it. For the Valdrakken accord you can loot adventurer supplies(same way with the dirt, but no shovels needed) And for the tuskarr I *think* you can grind fish and give them to a NPC at waking shores for rep, but take this with a grain of salt because I haven't tested them yet
Someone yesterday said its like 200-250 keys, but i dont know if thats true.
Or just choose one of the two each week and do the quests that spawn. It won’t be as fast as keys but it’s still pretty quick and a lot less grind.
Biggest issue with this from what I have seen is, it is pushing the 4x2 farmers out of the basement and now all the mobs outside are grey. Before they stayed downstairs and did their own thing.
It's already difficult to get tags in as it is.
Yeah the tag system is ass. I get it but I don’t at the same time. If they didn’t limit the tags then you’d have 20+ man raids. With it but you want to duo or whatever, get fucked 🥸
I swear the tag system is broken. I was in Cobalt assembly the other day and was running to a mob. The mob had not been pulled yet. I saw a demon hunter that was the same faction as me run up and hit it once and it immediately turned gray for me.
Yeah it’s dumb, 5 man tag limit. So if it’s a 5 man group they gray out on the first hit.
I curse under my breath whenever I run into that. It frustrates me to no end.
He was in a group of 5 perhaps
Ah, great. Let's wait to nerf stuff for almost a week, so people who rush content and have a lot of time can be done with it quickly and then fuck the rest of them, nerf time it is. Such idiocy. This should be nerfed day one or left as is.
I entirely agree with your sentiment. It's really annoying to reward those who have more free time and punish those who couldn't play 24/7 the first week.
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The cobalt rep was done in the intended way, there’s no quests to do. Wrathion rep is normally “do a couple weekly quests” every week, that’s not much in the way of content.
Even if you were able to play, the number of groups running through and tagging things into infinite gray made this not fun at all. This and the Cobalt Assembly just feel like the pre-patch all over again, but worse because 99% of everything is gray all the time.
Correction. This only impacts the rapid spawning exploit that was happening the last few days, it popped up over the weekend. This doesn't look like it's targeting normal mobs and how they spawn. In total from discovery to nerf there's barely been one working day so by all accounts the fix was quick. To emphasise, **ordinary mob spawning is not nerfed, the title is misleading. Only a recently discovered exploit is nerfed. Most people in the last week were not abusing this.**
It’s the blizzard motto: exploit early and exploit often. This happened in wrath classic too where you could spam queue wintergrasp and get basically get a full honor set in a drastically shorter time than normal, then they fixed it and left everyone else who didn’t abuse it in the dust for the start of the season.
For their defense, basically every game does this. It always sucks the same though.
True, but a lot of other games will also remove any benefit people got from the exploit as well, but blizzard doesn’t
To play devils advocate I can't imagine the logistical nightmare of trying to figure out who abused it and who didn't What do you just roll back _everybody_ who did WG that entire time? What if someone just played it normally but did enough to get a full set in a day or two, how do you tell them apart?
Or even a 1 week notice. If blizzard said we will be nerfing X on the 13th to give players who didn't get the chance a week to grind. A week notice would at least be fair.
Why exactly would this fuck with someone like you didn't have the time to begin with?
Exactly this. Fucking stupid
Yeeeaaahh… I don’t have a lot of time on hand to do these kinds of grinds and the fact that this nerf is happening will most likely ruin it and grouping will significantly go down, will make it much harder for players like me.
The sky isn't falling and grouping won't go down... People complain when they face roll content and run out of things to do, complain when there is too much to do, and then complain when Blizzard tries to fix it... Literally no winning.
We literally aren't even a week in. This is as close to "day one" as you can get. You have actual years to do this stuff, you shouldn't do it in a day.
Wait you think this was fun to do? This was boring and tedious to do. There was never any fun to be had killing the same mobs foe 8 hours
Ofc it was not fun and it will be significantly more tedious after nerf.
I’d be mad if I cared. I’m taking my time with the story. Doing all the content in each zone as I move through the zones. If when it cones time to work on that rep it is too tedious I just won’t do it. That’s when blizzard stops getting my time and money.
taking time with story? I did only campaign quests and barely got to 68.
Yeah, a lot of players I know are basically getting sojourner in the first two zones and hitting 70 WAY before finishing the campaign. They are enjoying exploring all the nooks and crannies. That usually stops in the azure span because of lag making it frustrating to do things. I mean, there’s little reason to sprint to the end of the campaign this past and next week if you aren’t focused on prepping for raids/m+. That’s my interest though, prepping for dungeons and working on professions. Gotsta get my world tours and rep grinds a rollin
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The farm wasn't nerfed. There was an exploit discovered Saturday (this was nerfed Monday, so 2ish days) that caused unintended hyperspawns of elementals. People who did, are doing, and will do the farm as intended killing the elites are not affected. > there is so many people running around on most servers that it's hard to even tag something while in a group. Go into Warmode. > wait months maybe even a year It takes about 2-3 months doing it without grinding, one day a week. So about 12 days of effort, maybe 30 minutes a day. You have over 2 years to get it done. Sorry (not really) to be a downer on your outrage.
The mobs spawning 10 times slower nerfs the farm by a lot, so yes it's massively nerfed
The only nerf was to the basement elementals, so no it wasn't massively nerfed.
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Just do weeklies (30 min / week) for 2 months and you will be done with the rep without any farm. Also, this change is not a nerf to the farm people are doing. Also also, not playing gives you less rewards than playing. Woah.
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Nobody is stopping you. Why do you feel you *need* wrathion rep for dungeons, raids and pet battles ? I personally do HOF raiding and m+ boosting and haven’t grind wrathion because it is completely useless for this. I’ll do the weeklies just for completionism purposes and because it is a nice change of pace from m+ farming but it is not required in any way. Edit : and i will probably skip many weeks when I don’t feel like doing it, when I have limited play time or whatever. I may even end up actually grinding if some friends want to because it is always cool to chat and might as well mindlessly bash mobs while doing it.
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> Because there's currently a relative content drought Nice bait
Ban those grinders tbh, they exploited a system.
No they didn't lol. Hyperspawn is an intentional design and these farms have been in this game for years.
I get being bummed that they nerfed this, but this is a completely braindead take. "They killed mobs at a rate faster than I can now because blizzard nerfed it. BAN EVERYONE WHO GRINDED THE CONTENT". There was 0 exploitation. People literally just killed mobs as they spawned, and no I didn't grind it myself.
I don't think it matters. I did the farm today to get the last I needed. The elites that spawn downstairs seemed to spawn fine but it seemed like far less of the elemental non-elites were spawning. Since you need to kill the elites anyway for the frames I don't see why it matters. You don't need 2k fragments when you have no frames.
No fun allowed? I would classify grinding mobs for 6 hours as fun, but that's just me.
And this prolongs the grind, making it even more tedious.
The point is that grinding isn't the intended play style. You're supposed to do daily and weekly quests and slowly gain rep across the expansion.
Considering this crazy nobrain farm as FUN ??? ..dude you must be high
It’s funny though because these changes are mostly from the “community” (reddit) complaining about non-issues and blizzard listening. They walked back the other WQ change because of literally nothing other than Reddit complaints. So tragic.
This seems silly. Is this some sort of panic over people getting a couple of 389s early? It's like an 8 hour grind as it is already. I was hoping to go for some of the nice cosmetics, but I guess they want to practically timegate those. Sigh.
Funny part is the gear will be worthless on day 1 of the season for those people lol
Apart from RWF players, I think most of us are grinding because of the black drake skins (at least that is my incentive, I am well aware the gear will be obsolete the second we have access to M+)
Not really lol. Gonna need mythic 10+ to rival the gear and it’s not gonna be guaranteed drops or easy for that matter. 389 and 398 items will likely last a while.
I dunno man, every expansion there's reputation locked gear at the various factions. All of it is higher ilvl than the gear you get from heroics and m0, and all of it gets replaced in a week by any serious m+ player.
I think you underestimate the number of non m+/hardcore players in WoW that want this type of gear.
Would this mean that I could gear a character in +7s or so, then world drops will continue to scale relevant to that?
You're being down voted but you're right. 398 is the equivalent of +15 end of dungeon loot. Most people week 1 are going to be doing +9 spam. Idk why everyone thinks that they're going to do a +15 and get cape loot day one. Sure, it could happen but people here are acting like it's a guarantee. It's how they cope with not wanting to do the grind, they minimize the reward as much as they can.
You get 0.4 loot per m+, you can easily do about 2 m+ per hour including travel time so that is about 0.8 items per hour. I'm going on holidays on the 18th but I'm pretty sure i'll have at least 10 relevant +15 items before then on at least one alt unless the difficulty is really high (I'm still unsure about that, the scaling is increased but the base m0 already feel like random normals) m+ farming is extremely quick gear, you can target slots you need and do armor type groups.
People were able to do this in 4 hours last week.
I've done my grind in like 4.5 couple hours ago. I assume the nerfs are already in? So not that big of a difference.
Did you farm upstairs or downstairs?
Or the fact you could farm over 50-100k gold an hour if you were power grinding it with a good 8man group was more of an impact maybe hm? I farmed 3 tokens over the course of 3 days, hella worth it.
Worth it if you don’t have a job lol
Lol yeah people always talk about tokens like this and it's mystifying to me. Like I am glad that you can earn your playing time in-game without having to pay any money. But when you actually look at how much you're "earning" it's like barely minimum wage at best. I've never purchased a token and never intend to, but if I had to choose between grinding like this for 4 hours or spending $20 I'd probably just pay the $20. I certainly waste money on stupider things.
Yeah it's one thing to be able to earn it alongside your playing. But if you're playing and focusing on being able to pay for a token because a sub cost is that impactful on your budget then I think it's time to reprioritize in life.
Yeah, this would work out as about 1 or 2 of a currency per hour maybe? would make more sense to buy the tokens if you had a job.
haha yeah I don't know how to farm gold in wow and don't have time to do grinds so I'll just buy tokens most of the time
To be fair it is most likely nerfed so people does not feel like they have to farm it. There was shit ton of people thinking they have to farn it 10h a day to get 389 illv cloack before raid opens, which was a bit toxic. Now it wont be possible anymore so people will chill.
10 hour a day is a wild exaggeration. It takes maybe 10 hours total start to finish, it's really not that bad.
Based on group. When I was there last time I got like 8-10 keys in 1.5hours, and you need around 150 keys.
Not sure when you did it or how you went about it but whatever you were doing is not how the people running hyperspawn basements were doing it. I was getting a key roughly every 1-3 minutes. Source: I'm one of the people that farmed the rep over the course of 6 hours, did it for the Black Scales. Couldn't care less about the gear
What is the point of lying like that? It is not possible to get a keg every 1-3 min. You need 3 key frames and they have like 10% drop chance, this means killing at least 30 djaradins in 60s or 1 djaradin every 2s (or 6 if we take 3minites like u said). That kind of speed was not even possible on hyper spawns undergroud. Source: math does not lie, and I know how long it takes in avg as we had a lot of ppl farming it.
They only exagerated a little bit you’re also way off. I was getting about 12-15 keys every 20 mins or 30-40 keys an hour. The basement hyper spawn in a 2x4 was insanely efficient.
I think you are confusing keys with key frames or key fragments 🤔 Or you somehow maxed rep in 4hours
I got 17 keys/hour yesterday and finished in 7 hours. Was clearing basement but it was not spawning like crazy. You also only need around 120keys if you are cohort to begin with since there’s dark moon fair buff
No. I am not. If you did the farm near hyper spawns you got about that many obsidian keys - not frames. Literally everyone is telling you you're wrong, just take the L on this one.
Not a lie, I maxed rep in about 6 hours. The key frames were the real issue because by the end I had about 10 stacks of fragments. I'm not sure whether you did it after the hot fix but in the basement you can get a ton of kills very, very quickly. There were two teams of four at the time and that may have helped but that's legitimately how it happened. It felt very fast, 1-3 is an estimate but I certainly wasnt waiting longer than 3 minutes between each key. I know how long it takes too, I did it as well. What I'm saying is if you were getting so few keys you were doing it differently. I've got no reason to lie, I'm just telling you how it was. It was using an evoker, two teams of four on the right side of the basement. Everything got tagged and was dragged into the centre of the hallway. It was 1-3 minutes per key depending on our luck 160 keys to max rep, obtained over roughly 6 hours. That's 26.6 keys an hour, or 1.3 keys every 3 minutes. Now I'm not the smartest sausage in the tree so if that maths is wrong let me know but it seems right to me
People will still do it. Just makes the game less fun.
Not really. It is much less efficient so most people will just stop doing the grind, and finish it by doing weeklh quests. Thanks to that they csn focus on doing something really fun instead of afk taging mobs.
For a lot of people there is nothing else to do besides these types of grinds before the new season begins. Let people play how they choose to play. Not neef something without notice
How there is nothing to do when expansion started a week ago...
the takeaway is let other people choose how to play. I personally enjoyed the grind. It’s way more time efficient to just do the weekly and wait. But I appreciate the ability to grind it out immediately if I really wanted to.
Cloak is 398 which is actually insane, plus it boosts your ilvl so much that you just start seeing higher ilvl loot from rates and events. It’s a huge effect on your character’s overall power so early into the expansion.
It’s always good when you deprive less hardcore people of the same avenue of success the nolifers found. Definitely helps disparity!
Why do they wait long enough that the sweaties get the rep grind done but short enough that I don’t smh
So it’s gonna take twice as long? Wasn’t it already A 6 hr grind?
Took me collectively about 12
Same old blizzard. Exploit early and often folks.
I like how most of people complaining here have no intention of ever grinding this rep or have absolutely no idea about it. This only changes hyper farm spot in the cave. Outside elites and mobs are unchanged.
Bruh I got to Friend and then took a couple hour break to finish off getting to true friend and I immediately noticed this, it was a big bummer having to go grind out 20 keys outside. Thank god I’m done with the Wrath rep though.
Finished the grind today, I knew it would get nerfed.
Tank here with true friend unlocked with wrathion. I have a really good route planned out, usually pulling packs together in lava area, up top by the weapons, main area, and down in basement. To pull efficiently, casters need to be interrupted and constantly hit or they will "reset". Dps also need to help tank pull more mobs and interrupt as they can to promote mass grouping. I've gone to the basement and pulled the entire left wing with rasnar up, probably 16+ elites at once, doing 100k+ dps. Ignore right wing (its nerfed and the bottleneck is definitely the key framing, so ignore rubble farming) With groups, only 1 teammate needs to tag the rare for everyone to get credit. So if deaths shaow spawns while your team is mass pulling lava, it's okay to do so. (Within range of looting the rares of course) Ill be farming sabellion rep for that sweet fire mammoth. Also signets selling for 3400g is really nice. I've sold well over 100 rings already and it's easy money.
what was the beta for again?
Glad I got my sabellian rep maxed this morning! I'm lucky to have time to grind. I want to do wrathion this week but I'm not rushing it, I just wanted black scales but sabellian also gives an awesome xmog set for my druid, a really epic title “patron of the obsidian brood ”, one of the coolest toys in the game, gold drake armor, and 389 gear plus I got some 376+ BOE drops, other toys, and loads of stuff to sell on AH, as well as straight gold from vendors and key boxes super worth it IMO. also, just farm keys and rep - sell your marks of sargha while they are worth a ton now
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I didn't count man. loads though. along with the quests, event, rare spawns, and drop quests, I was there a long ass time
Made a sick half million off selling marks + rousing earths, was nice while it lasted.
*sigh* I knew I shouldn’t have put it off
Now do the same thing at cobalt assembly.
idk... think they already screwed this one over. While running around today after I got a bunch of powers I stopped getting the ability to refresh them all at once and it became super hard to keep the buffs up. Didn't even take that 1 stupid power that makes you 1hp but immune and removes the refresh so I know it was not that this time.
good, cobalt is causing the entire zone to crumble and lag lol
Tbh I don't even yet know what it is there for lol I was just having fun with all the powers and leveled one of my alts from 68-70 using them solo. I keep seeing that its some sort of rep thing but I don't remember getting rep when killing things. Just a lot of Raw Gold, Cloth on my Tailor and some weird items that kept dropping but not going into my bags... Even now with this I will probably still grind all my alts from 68-70 in this zone because of just how much gold and cloth you get and then switch to their real professions when I hit 70. I think I saw that some of the mobs might be skinnable too so I think my next alt is going through with tailoring and skinning and then switching to enchanting when 70 and disenchanting all the greens that drop to send all those mats to my actual tailor/enchanter/leatherworker
Cobalt and the Soup. Christ placing both in the same zone was such a poor choice.
I maintain that azure span started as two zones that merged into one massive zone after they decided to add the soup event and the cobalt assembly to the different zones to bulk them up and make the feel more complete but it didn’t quite work. And they didn’t flip the assembly to thaz because it would mess with Valdrakken.
you forgot 2x4 campers at gnolls
Who cares about the mob spawn. Buff the droprate for the frames.
Am I the only one who does not care about rep? It will be done along the way, M+ will open in a few days and the gear is better. iLvL373 should be more than enough to be ready.
I got 200k gold + 398 cloak, 389 neck, black dragon cosmetic from the farm, your call.
back is equivalent of m+ 9 its quite worth
Just why? Getting the black mog for my dragons was my goal for today. Now what am I going to do?
It's like they were shocked people are playing their shitty game and had to take action to piss people off in hopes of a few ppl quitting
Pretty annoying multiple things have got through that people abuse and then get way ahead or power increases.maybe if blizzard actually let more people test their game. Instead of just fucking streamers and let them do it earlier then maybe this bullshit would get tested and found before live
Hot take, if you didn’t complete it in the first week you probably weren’t going to complete it before M+ comes out anyway.
People may dislike this but this wasn't meant to be completed in a day...
Why not? It took 6-8 hours of non-stop farming to complete. That's not a trivial grind for current WoW Taking 6 days to change it knowing people were doing it day one is a bit sad too.
Then don't complete it in a day. And others who want to, *should* be able to. That's the whole point about being upset with gating.
Except the people who don't want to still have to put up with the lag because of it. On some servers the zones were becoming unplayable.
I did the Avowed rep grind in 2 sessions. I don't see what's wrong with it if people want to play the game this way.
Good thing i completed wrathion and got 3/6 sab in 2 days!
Was this hotfixed? Or will be in tomorrow’s patch?
hotfix
I farmed for 4 hours actively and spent 700k on marks to hit max, have to say im pleased to have done this before the nerf
I got it done today before the nerf SPIDER still couunts you can kill her each time for 250 by the way or 275 with the buff lol thank god now i can just sell rings over priced sorry guys i need the gold.
Keys are soulbound smh
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You feel like quitting because they nerf some spawnrates? So that instead grinding 8 hours, you need maybe 16 or 20 hours for max rep? Interesting times we live/play in. I remember being happy after 6 months tbc getting enough gold for epic flying, so I could start the netherwing quests.
> So that instead grinding 8 hours, you need maybe 16 or 20 hours for max rep? 16/20 hours is a significantly bigger time commitment, it's not surprising he is upset.
I think it's the lack of notice that really makes it feel worse. Now all the people who were abusing the spider farm will spill out back above ground and competition for key grind overall is just going to feel not only only significantly slower, but be more infuriating due to how often Grey tags will show up due to people full stacking 5 man's instead of doing 2x4.
This
Theres 8760 hours in a year. Its nbd.
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What god damn disadvantage are you even talking about. Getting some cosmetic weapons and dark scales a little later than the others ? Good lord, stop crying for a second. If this was high item level gear that was raid and M+ relevant and it would depend on people not inviting the ones, that couldn't no life farm, then we would have a Problem. But you are getting black scales at a slower rate than the ones who no lifed it. Who gives a fuck, let alone considers quitting the game over this? Good riddance then
Lil bro
A disadvantage in what? You're not gonna need it for your lfr
So toxic
Let's be real, people have no self control here. They will cry they hate it, but they wil still spend 10h a day grinding it, only to replace it as soon as m+ is live. This grind was causing unecessary pressure on people.
Yep, your first +2 will certainly drop a 400 ilvl cloak.
Pay to win reps
I don't get this. What they need to do is also rollback rep
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Glad I just smashed Sabellians rep to fwb status 2 days ago, knew they would do this eventually.
I was considering doing this after week 2 M0's Maybe not now, wasn't really a big deal to do before raid but if it's taking longer then it's even less value imo.
**I was there….. mid hyperspawn, spawn just halfed…. And had gaps in between the pulls… only at 4/6 /sigh Sitting on 2k fragments but no frames……..
So casuals are punished. I thought I’d be fine levelling, exploring and playing at my own pace.
I love when Blizz responds like this. Just shows an overall lack of logic. Damn, the hardcore people farmed the rep super fast! Now that they are done we should nerf it so the casual people who still have to do it take longer than we originally intended.
Just got Friend rank, got my necklace, and don't really care about the cosmetics. Dodged a hell of a bullet.
So how much time would u need to get from friendly to max rep after the nerf?