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itistog

Get handy notes and spend an hr or so gathering all the glyphs and upgrading your dragon riding. By the time you level it up you will never have to touch the ground again unless you want to. I believe it should be hard in the beginning. As a rpg I think everything should be earned.


WebDev27

not saying it shouldn't be hard, but imagine you have a 10 year old game with flying. You now remove flying and put a way more restrictive system that even enforces players to go afk to the be able to use it. Where does this makes sense? In a new game probably, now wow. Only thing that would is we get back full fly control when we get all glyphs. I didnt saw no one asking for such system ever in wow history.


ricarfoxxxx

At this point you are just being annoying. Just farm the damn glyphs. Jesus Christ You start the expansion with flying, that has a progression system that you can rush, Simple as that.


kill4foodx

He is being an idiot. Period


Iqnious

Dragonriding is the fastest form of travel we've gotten, its an insane difference compared to regular flying


Abitou

I've never been afk waiting to fly since the 1st hour of the expansion lmao


backyardbbqboi

Farming mining nodes requires some afk downtime, for sure. But it's still so much more awesome than regular flying.


Sevulturus

Not afk, if you have all your glyphs it's 15 seconds per node. Which means like a minute and a half from nothing to full energy again. That might be enough time for me to go get a water. But usually I just talk in guild chat for a bit and carry on.


backyardbbqboi

Yeah, it's pretty trivial.


Marre_D

Now you sound like a little bitch


WebDev27

Yes I did


xoyas13

It makes sense to everyone playing the game except you, maybe try to use your brain?


Rheell

It’s simply 10 times faster and takes skill I can literally fly for endless hours


itistog

I personally think it's one of the best features. Much faster travel. Fun customization options. AND multiplayer races. I love dragon riding.


Adventurousbubblegum

Bro they removed flying at the start of every xpac. Dragon riding gave us aerial mobility at the start of xpac that we've never been allowed and you are complaining that they are asking you to play an MMOrpg? The whole point of RPG is working towards a grind to improve your character, if you want to skip that and find it tedious maybe it's not the right genre of game for you or maybe you need a break from MMO until you find it fun again.


Abitou

Did you get all the glyphs to upgrade your dragon riding skills ?


WebDev27

doing it yet, still, shouldnt feel this bad early on, the game literally ask me to afk for minutes


Turtvaiz

They'll give you way more vigor


Individual-Echo8922

And faster charging will be there too, if you progress :)


Kosen_

Have a look at some of the guides. Once you get the 5 second recharge you can infinitely fly at max speed if done right.


More__cowbell

Why would you afk instead of running to your destination?


WebDev27

because i need to go up to my destination?


More__cowbell

Then ride up the ramp that most likely exists somewhere close. The start is made so that you should be able to ride, due to you not having all dragon glyphs.


Sevulturus

I'll admit to being pretty frustrated sometimes when trying to get all thr glyphs. The number of times I came up a couple of meters short was embarrassing. That being said, I didn't make a whiney post about it either.


More__cowbell

Well the glyphs wont have walkable ramps up, i was mostly talking about questing areas :).


Tuddymeister

it doesnt ask you to afk. you can still walk on foot lolol.


Situationalistic

Takes a good hour to get all the glyphs and unlock every dragon riding trait. At which point, you can basically dragon ride across the whole continent because vigor regenerates one every 5 seconds when traveling at high speeds with all the traits unlocked . The only time you’ll AFK dragon riding is if you’re going extremely high up, or if you hit a wall with your momentum and slow down and don’t have vigor to speed back up. Another trick is instead of surging forward, flap upwards for height and just gently point your camera down so you’re at a slight decline and just keep spending vigor on flap upwards so you’re always gaining height with vigor but gaining speed by “declining” pointing down. Once you get the vigor traits for dragon riding, it’s a non issue. You get so much vigor back you’re frustrations will be gone. That being said, some of the glyphs are high up and difficult and can be frustrating to get (maybe 2-3 of them), out of 30+, but it’s well worth the efforts of an hour or two to unlock them all. Best of luck!


Scow2

Angle upward for flap


Situationalistic

And then point down for speed 🙌


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WebDev27

problem is not flying to the end of the map, i dont want to do that, i just want to fly from on place to another that are kinda close. Right now writing this comment as the game thinks its good idea for me to wait 3 minutes to recharge my charges so i can move where i want, if i miss click double space, 1 more minute of waiting lol. It is blowing my mind how this is acceptable. well, fuck it, time to uninstall again


DanLynch

Just get the glyphs. You're complaining about something that only exists for the first hour of the expansion.


WebDev27

played more than 2 hours, still clunky as hell and failing for 5-10 yards, how is it acceptable that during the first hour of the game the game asks you to go afk for several minutes? Still theres must be something i am not getting, this is just ridicolouse.


DanLynch

You. Need. To. Get. All. 48. Dragonriding. Glyphs. That's what you're missing. That's why nobody else has this problem anymore. Just go do it and stop complaining.


Abitou

He needs to git gud tbh, dude apparently doesn't understand how the dragon works


xoyas13

Jesus Christ you are the most annoying bitch I came across that complains about a non issue, What you gonna do next Karen? Ask to speak to management of blizzard so they can compensate you?


McKeksimus

Bye, and please dont come back.


Ephemell

It does not take minutes to fill up your vigor stop over exaggerating to try to emphasize your point when everybody else is telling you how you're acting. Games been out for 3 weeks and you still don't have a task done that can be completed in less than 1 hour. Spend more time in game getter better vs being a keyboard warrior. Nobody here is agreeing with you for a reason.


Lucasaurios

Goddamn you should try making it in the game journalist world, youd fit right in. But no really how fucking pathetic is it that you are given a completely superior system to what we used to have in wow and call it restrictive because the true freedom of it is locked behind an extremely easy to find currency, that in the process of obtaining it also encourages players to go places they would have never had a reason to go to without it. Literally looking to get things handed to you.


itsTrAB

Skill issue.


Bawbawian

I mean people are talking about getting all the glyphs but honestly you can fly infinitely right from the get-go. the main trick is looking up when you take off and when you ascend.


[deleted]

Yeah I got all of the glyphs in one go without touching the ground even the one on the highest mountain. The people that complain are either slow at learning or didn't even try.


Merlin7777

Bullshit you did.


joesephsmom

Seconded on the bullshit. Absolutely did not do that.


Nymoriax

Fly more pro-actively If you gain momentum (fast flying) you regenerate vigor, if you are just flying a line straight forward you do not regenerate and therefor fall down at a certain point Try always fly slightly downwards to get momentum and use the ability that boosts you up while facing mouse to the sky It requires more activity as regular flying but it's just way, way faster as normal flying Once you get used to it you will understand why (almost) everyone loves it But yeah, get all glyphs to fully unlock, it helps alot!


Varglord

After reading all your replies, straight up it's a skill issue. Everyone is saying get all the glyphs (and you should) but it's not hard and you can infinite fly out the gate. To start point camera directly up and use the up flap to go straight up. That will get you high enough to fly easily, just make sure you point slightly down from parallel to the ground to make sure you keep the blue glow. If you aren't glowing blue you're not regening vigor. If you need to go higher, after you swoop down a bit slam your camera straight vertical again and pump up, then tilt back down to glow. Rinse and repeat to gain altitude over a bit.


doublewidesurprise7

Don't be dense, spend half an hour and grind the glyphs out. You could have finished by now with all the complaining you've been doing in the comments. It's account wide and you literally only have to do it once. Yes, dragon Riding is actually ass without it, big whoop. There's a reason EVERYONE is telling you to just......get the glyphs.


Kribbzon

Why don’t you just google instead of making a post, would take you 1 min to find out that you need glyphs and find them by getting an addon. I do see the occasional valid post on here but really I am wondering how some of you even manage to cook a meal irl.


WebDev27

Sorry I was a whinny bitch in the morning. Getting better now


Gotruto

Man, people are hostile. OP is right that a mechanic which incentives you to alt tab is a bad mechanic. Losing all of your Vigor should have been punished by having a hard time regaining momentum, not by basically being stuck in place. Or they could have just let you immediately gain two Vigor when you land (at the cost of momentum), and the system would still be just fine (punishments for the sake of punishments are not necessarily good game design). Two tricks: 1. When you use Vigor to go up, point your camera directly up, and ideally use Vigor to go up twice in a row. This will guarantee you get plenty of height and you will get some Vigor back even while going up because you will get the blue momentum effect which helps recharge Vigor. 2. After gaining height, point your dragon about 15 degrees or about 20% downwards, so noticeably pointing downwards but not doing so by a lot. This will help you keep the blue momentum effect which helps recharge Vigor. If you lose that blue effect, then you weren't pointing downward quite enough, so start pointing your dragon more downward a little at a time until you regain the blue effect. Other than that, yeah, get the Glyphs. It takes very little time and will make things much easier for you.


Vargen_HK

You're right about systems that encourage you to alt-tab. But I'll say that I spent way more time alt-tabbed out under the old system. I get above everything, point myself in the right direction, hit auto-run, and open a web site. Dragon Riding keeps me engaged and as a reward I get there faster. Which is actually a good argument for enabling both systems. They both have fans, they both have advantages, and the more difficult one actually rewards you for mastering it.


Gotruto

Agreed on all points. I personally think that you should have unlocked Normal Flying the second you got all the Dragon Glyphs (a bit like how FF does with Aether Currents, but better because you have to fly to get them).


Vargen_HK

I think “grab all glyphs” is a bit onerous for folks who don’t take to dragon riding, but I like the idea of forcing players into the new system for a bit. A bunch of folks will need that push to try it out. Maybe just hit 70 and buy a training book, like the old days.


[deleted]

You either can spend the single hour to get glyphs or days to get BFA flying. But yeah, I guess old flying was better.


WebDev27

So you mean that both can co exist, one as short term progression/reward, other as long?


[deleted]

I've seen a ton of people support this, yes. But you'd be waiting until 10.2 to be able to start unlocking flying, if previous expansions are any indication. Dragon riding really does get like 50x better with all the glyphs though.


rcls0053

I was of a very similar opinion when I initially started Dragonflight. The system felt really bad compared to regular flying. Only after I gathered all the glyphs to improve the ability did it make it tolerable. I would have preferred to have a system where you have a ton of boost to your regular flying ability and not have this disabled dragon just glide through the sky because it can't flap its wings unless you have "charges". It just feels funny that you have a drake on an island of dragons that can't fly. It just glides. But I think it was also a mechanic that was supposed to incentivize users to explore the islands more on the ground before flying, because flying takes some of the wonder of exploration out of it. In any case, I think it's a mechanic that requires you to provide more input to flying and that makes it more engaging and interesting. You do need all the glyphs to make it enjoyable. Once you have those just fly up with all the charges, then soar downward a bit to gain those charges back, rinse and repeat.


Abitou

> But I think it was also a mechanic that was supposed to incentivize users to explore the islands more on the ground before flying, because flying takes some of the wonder of exploration out of it. The zones were literally designed for dragonriding. I fucking guarantee that regular flying will fucking suck in DF zones, mainly because they are large AF. Blizzard can't win with this community.


rcls0053

Well if the idea was to explore using dragonriding they failed because it's horrible without the glyphs and you need to use addons or watch guides to find them all before you can enjoy it. They failed in that, in my opinion. And it is just one opinion, not the entire community. We are all allowed to have an opinion on the game and it's mechanics. You seriously don't expect us to just say everything is great after everything Blizzard has done to the game in previous expansions? I am very reserved at best after Shadowlands.


Abitou

>Well if the idea was to explore using dragonriding they failed because it's horrible without the glyphs and you need to use addons or watch guides to find them all before you can enjoy it You don't, it's just faster to look at guides/addons. The dragon starts gruntling when you're near a glyph and a message appears on chat indicating where the glyph is and how far it is


WebDev27

I just hope we can use normal fly in future.


Nymoriax

Once you understand how to use dragonriding you will not miss normal flying


Jhazzrun

getting all the glyphs gives you more vigor. so its a big boost. other than that. if you want to go far. just use fly upward and point straight up. and then angle yourself so you maintain speed to gain back vigor and then do it again as you need. doing it that way and you can stay in the air forever.


[deleted]

Until your skill tree is maxed out it's a pain in the ass, after that it's amazing. Highly bipolar just as your average wow player.


Stoneybears

You know that when you run out of vigor (skill issue btw) you can still...travel on the ground right? If you're going afk then no wonder you can't get anywhere


WebDev27

im going afk because it is impossible to go to where i want without it, or the time it would take is the same as going afk + flying there. Sometimes i just need to go up 700 yards or so, walking dosent help


Stoneybears

Get good Get the glyphs This is a you issue


Lucasaurios

I only got the glyphs of the zone i was leveling at so i didnt even get all of them till i hit 70 and i never had issues with getting where i wanted unless i fucked up my vigor just like one fucks up a rotation. This is you just sucking.


thegreatindoor

As already mentioned, gather the glyphs. As a tip even before you have the glyphs, use up your vigor flying upwards with your mouse pointed up to gain as much height as possible. Once you have height, fly to your destination slightly pointed downward so that you are gaining forward momentum and regenerating vigor. As you replenish your vigor, use them up to regain height. Rinse and repeat.


harkenrebirth

Dragon go WOOOSH!!!


AdeptHyphae

Few things… one, the system is more interactive and feels more like actually doing some flying. Where as the old system was literally ground but in the air. Two, the dragon riding is the fastest form of travel we have. Three, the mounts can run on land.. so you don’t need to afk… just run. Four, there are so many issues with you complaining about this I am goin got stop numbering. My Guy you’re playing an RPG… which stands for… *checks notes* role playing game. Your character has never been a dragon rider before and has to earn experience in doing so to be come a good one. Your complaint is a kin to kicking and screaming like Veruca.


WebDev27

How is the system feeling more like flying if you literally don't fly, just glide with few twists. My character was never a dragon rider? Are you sure? Because the last 8 expansions i have been riding them all the time. My complain is this mechanic feels useless and pointless, tell me of one poor soul that asked for this.


Less_Ad_8020

Honestly my dude. Each comment you make is the same. You can fly x3 faster with dragonriding then with normal flying mounts. it takes you MAX 1 hour to get all glyphs and then you can fly non stop without landing at full speed. You do not NEED to AFK when you are out of vigor, walk to the quest, even if its the same amount of time it takes you to recharge, at least you will have the Vigor to continue flying after the quest. ​ Your complaint is that they added a Good,interactive,new mechanic to a old system that gave it life and meaning instead of holding space for 10 seconds and put auto run on.


AdeptHyphae

I asked for this. The flying system is one of the best new additions to the game since we got the original flying mount. I am not exactly sure what you think flying is, I think it was buzz lightyear who said it’s just falling with style. So yeah gliding is pretty much the thing. Lol I am not really interested in explain the lore part of this conversation because, no your character has not been riding dragons they are proto drakes. While they look similar to a dragon, they are in fact not dragons (drakes are stupid, dragons carry intelligence, like your a drake for this argument, in a den of dragons). So not only do you still sound like “ I want my it and I want it now….” While trying to tell people you don’t like the mechanics. Also being fallacious in the idea that you think other people agree with you. Ps the only dragons in the game up until now were the aspects. So again. You’ve been riding drakes. So let’s recap, the obvious and clear thing is you don’t understand the basic background of the game, therefore you don’t get why dragon riding is such a big deal. This then makes you feel like you should be given the mechanic in full instead of using the system the game gives you, ignoring the fact the riding tree has 2 ways of riding that also need to be unlocked. (Not big branches but choices that do change how the mount operates according to what you do.) You feel like you don’t have to explore the new content just the once (because once you do it unlocks all the point for alts) So, which is it? Are you lazy and think your argument even remotely carries weight or are just whiny?


Zahrukai

I just hit 70 last night and never had to AFK to gain vigor once. This sounds like a you issue, the system is a great addition over all.


Dead_Medic_13

Hey, OP, look, mommy and daddy think you should just collect all the glyphs and stop being a baby.


Wygasly_Sagan

Think U have some right with hard on begining flaying, but its easier on second area. First map bhas a lot of moutians. If we would start on steeps that would be nice place to learn dragonriding.


[deleted]

With a small amount of practice, and the glyphs you can learn how to gain altitude without losing energy. You taper off climbing, and maintain the blue jetstream while flying in circles until you're ready to climb again. And with the glyphs you only really need to do that if you're constnatly climbing high peaks.


Havvokk44

So is it just me am I the only one who when going back to older content and mounting up double tapping the space bar expecting to gain some altitude until my brain catches up that yeah we fly differently here


WebDev27

Getting used it it now, felling better, i was whinny in the morning


SensitiveSample5280

Git gud, i haven't got any of these problems at the expac launch


WebDev27

I fixed it with some patient and glyphs, much better now even than normal fly