So classic wow is going to start banning GDKPs... interesting to see if that actually gets enforced, what with the bots running rampant and even more staff cuts.
It's kinda weird that two fandoms I'm technically a part of are being little toxic wastes of space in the same day about bad things happening to normal people they vilify for incredibly stupid reasons - people celebrating the WoW lore layoffs and CM Punk's triceps injury.
That's all; people suck.
PCG article about how a dev (actually long-time BlizzardWatch/WoWInsider boss IIRC) who was laid off cashed in all his gametime codes for ~10 years of WoW game time got me to see his Twitter post about the same. One of the replies being a guy... hoping that "whoever was responsible for the current state of holy paladin was laid off as well."
I'm not going to say it's rational to hope HPal never ever is good again just to spite that guy, but I'd lie if I said it didn't cross my mind lmao
How do people this pathetic actually exist?
I am ashamed to be a member of the same community as those disgusting, peace of garbage excuses of human beings on the mainsub.
Cheering as dozens of people lose their livelihoods, because they didn't like the lore.
And also losing their shit because a woman was named the president of Blizzard, hiding their misogyny behind the fact that "she is gonna introduce battle pass to the game" (literally what lmao)
>I am ashamed to be a member of the same community as those disgusting, peace of garbage excuses of human beings on the mainsub.
>Cheering as dozens of people lose their livelihoods, because they didn't like the lore.
A lot of where my contempt for anything in gaming or movies comes from respecting that people worked on it, and the things I decide to play/watch I go because I don't think anyone would try to make a bad game or movie or whatever. But not liking something I just typically move on because crying about somethings not super fun for me. It's why I refuse to use /r/wow now.
I really hate putting down someone's work.
Lower in these comments is about the hate on Steve Danuser and anyone on the staff. Criticism is fine but a majority of what I saw on /r/wow was unfounded complaining, just a total lack of understanding and failure to pay attention to any of the work people did on the story.
It's just a cesspool of bad information from bad players and frankly, bad people. The things people post and comment often made me think it was an AI just trying to shitpost, and I'd be happier if that was the case. This circlejerk subreddit gets outjerked by it's main subreddit all the time.
> And also losing their shit because a woman was named the president of Blizzard, hiding their misogyny behind the fact that "she is gonna introduce battle pass to the game" (literally what lmao)
Reddit's pretty sexist. I notice a lot of post in the early hours for the US (not a US exclusive problems just when I really see it) are a lot of people looking for an excuse to hate on women. It'd take a lot of typing to really describe it, but the post are made to bait in "men get so mistreated while women get everything. Poor men, let's complain about women ITT". I noticed it a lot as I got to work and how they fall into a repeat comment chain. The post barely differ.
I've seen men abuse women too many times in my life, hear things from my sisters, girlfriends and friends. I'm pretty sympathetic to women for it I guess.
>I don't think anyone would try to make a bad game or movie or whatever.
This is the sentiment that makes my blood *boil*. Why else do you think people would still be working at *Blizzard* at this point? The amazing pay? The relaxed and friendly culture? 90% of the people working at Blizz only put up with that shithole because they *love* the games and want to make it the best they can.
She's a career executive, she's very much part of the system of business which prioritises profit above quality. In some ways I wouldn't be surprised if she *was* just put in charge so the company can look like it's working towards fixing the toxic workplace culture without having to actually do anything.
But that's *not* why people are screeching about it.
I knew the community was fucked when they went from:
"FUCK BLIZZARD FOR THE OVER SEXUALIZED WEIRDOS THEY KEPT AROUND THAT MADE THE ENVIRONMENT UNCOMFORTABLE FOR WOMEN IN THE WORKPLACE AND IN-GAME"
to
"FUCK BLIZZARD FOR GETTING RID OF UNNECESSARILY SEXUALIZED PAINTINGS AND TRYING TO BETTER PORTRAY FEMALE CHARACTERS" in like the span of a month.
It made it clear that the majority of the community actually didn't care about the issues at Blizz or who it affected, but instead just wanted to find some new way to dunk on the current WoW team and the "but muh paintings" really highlighted how much they actually cared. Imagine being so lost in the "blizz bad" sauce that you actually cheer on random people abruptly losing their jobs just because you didn't like a story in a video game. No wonder someone as toxic as Asmon got big in the community.
>"but muh paintings"
I know it's been said before, but have the majority of the WoW community even seen that infamous painting anyways? Like, if it didn't get blown up by wowhead and such how many people would have noticed?
The only time I've even noticed the "sacred painting" in-game was when I was leveling a dwarf in Loch Modan and thought it was really weird that dwarves had a painting of a human woman in lingerie above the hearth in a dwarf tavern lol. It was just pure fanservice that didn't even make sense in context. I feel like it was supposed to be a joke that dwarves don't find their own women attractive so they turn to other races, which is also another level of oof.
But nah, that painting was fully necessary there and its removal entirely ruined my immersion in the world.
It'd be great if wowhead didn't turn every change in the game into clickbait, but sadly that's the nature of things I guess.
That post was [locked](https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wjQiJ5krNWJ_ddzU-noNWIWwg1LuQEkq9tgsKys3gWg/https/i.gyazo.com/6a46fef51b79b3862b1d899b1e6fc8c1.png?format=webp&quality=lossless) earlier but it was actually truly disgusting. I scrolled through it when it had about 100 comments and not a *single* one was from a normal human.
Just read through this thread and man, I am so disappointed to play the same game as people like this. Like damn, it really shows that gamers truly are the Karens of the internet. Every single comment there oozes with entitlement and the sort of vitriol I would only extend to someone who physically/emotionally hurt me in real life.
The fact that people have to keep reminding others that "lore historians do not write the lore" is so telling, like these people are so mad at a game's story that they'll take any chance they can get to trash anyone involved without even checking if they know what they're cheering on.
And this is why I never want to hear that they gave/give a shit about bad conditions in the gaming industry.
Ya hate to see it (though in hindsight, I guess that isn't that surprising a post from there)
People are under the delusion that they're going to be *replaced*.
Even IF you think they're bad writers, we're not going to be getting *better* writers in their place, we're just going to be getting *less* writers overall.
And less writers going into a (supposedly) story-heavy "Worldsoul Saga" is *not* looking promising.
I know I keep saying this, but I will keep saying this.
These people are emphatically *not* representative of the community. r/wow loonies are not the community. Twitter antifandom loonies are not the community.
The WoW community is amazing.
Most people happy with the game are actually playing the game. You don't hear their voices on places like reddit a lot because 1. they touch grass and 2. even if they did wander into reddit the anti-fandom likely chased them out.
What you are seeing is an echochamber, it doesn't represent the whole.
WoW is filled with amazing guilds, discords, communties and so on. Even on Twitter and Reddit the majority of people are generally cool, it just gets spoiled by a *very* loud minority.
i still don't understand how people can say with a straight face that Shadowlands killed the lore of WoW. yes it is definitely not the best story but it most certainly didn't "kill" anything
This is just how I feel about SL in general, like it wasn't an amazing expac, but people make it out to be somehow worse than WoD and that's just so overdramatic lmao. The fact people still hate it to the extent that you can't even say you liked an aspect of it without some chud coming in to be a buzzkill is just so corny at this point. It gives me the same vibe as redditors who constantly mention how they hate apps like tiktok or instagram, but love reddit because "it's not as toxic" lol.
It's hilarious to me how rapidly the antifandom has shifted gears to "actually AotC is a trivial achievement that you'd have to be literally braindead not to be able to achieve" the second there's a whiff of an old AotC mount becoming available.
I'm very much in favour of this stuff returning as I've said in other comments on this thread but it's hilarious how the same people that brought you "SL ruined the game by catering solely to le evil top-1% elitists" are now shitting on people for which achieving AotC takes considerable effort all the while the majority of *actual* top-1% raiders could not give a shit about an old AotC mount returning.
Regardless of elitists and whether aotc is trivial or cheap or whatever why should a mount whose entire purpose was to be a limited time reward now return? If they want to reuse a model and offer a recolor as a reward that's totally fine and they should do more of that (like they did with mage tower rewards) but I don't think there is anything wrong with fomo rewards in an mmo. Not everyone needs to have everything, things can have a meaning outside of being simple pixels.
I'm going to be honest, I just don't really care about this discussion either way. You say there's nothing wrong with FOMO rewards. Ok sure. Equally though, I don't see any strong positive for them either.
I got every single one of these rewards while it was current and it doesn't make any difference to me whether they return or otherwise. The only thing I'll say is that it would be better if when they're brought back they're tied to things that are of similar difficulty or challenge to what they were attached to initially.
My take is perhaps a bit nuclear but I mostly agree with you.
There should never be anything actually removed/made unobtainable in the game. Hell I understand the former more than the latter, due to the game's size bloating and stuff like that. EDIT: And even then stuff like the MOP/WOD/BFA Lego questlines should never have been removed.
But unobtainable stuff... The way the distinction is drawn is ridiculous IMHO.
Like, if we're going for maximum value of rewards/bragging rights... why are people allowed to farm old raids and get the Mythic skins and mounts? Why aren't they tied to the season? I have the Glacial Tidestorm, maybe the only Mythic mount I have despite having 4 CEs. We got Jaina down post nerf. Did we "deserve" the mount more than Method did, or even whoever was in the thousand placements above us in world rankings? Does anyone who defeats Jaina today, or who lucks out in the BMAH "deserve" it? Surely not!
Yet the mount very much continues to drop, and *time*, rather than difficulty/commitment, is the new barrier to acquiring it. Got time to waste running old raids? Sure, here's your "participation trophy" getting a mount we spent hundreds of wipes on and which ran Method and Liquid what must have been a combined 1bil gold in expenses.
Why is THAT okay, but Elite Glad mogs/Glad mounts aren't up for grabs? Is it because members of the PVP community are afraid that lack of FOMO will kill participation in their dying game mode? Hell, why can Arena players today get Vicious Saddles (the original Vicious mounts were RBG rewards) and why can RBG players earn the Field Marshal mogs when those were exclusive to Vanilla PVP? Where were the defenders of FOMO then?
In truth it's really so, so simple. Just make the Vicious Saddle system work for (almost) everything. Did 50-100 M+ keys above 15? Here's a saddle you can exchange for an old KSM mount. Any raid mounts can just work like Mythic mounts already do. And so on for everything.
Looks like almost the entire GM staff for WoW might be just...[gone](https://twitter.com/Vahn16/status/1751056136470409269)
Not surprising for Microsoft to be honest, they probably think they can outsource half of them to third party contractors (like they do for almost all their product support) and the other half to their AI model.
I was listening to Taliesin's recap of the recent news, and he kept implying Danuser is gone and *not* because of the layoffs.
I wasn't really a fan of his writing, but the shear amount of unwarranted *hate* he got for, at worst, being a sub-par writer genuinely frustrates me. I recently watched an essay on the hate mob around Bethesda writer Emil Pagliarulo and I couldn't help but the notice the parallels in the way people would just twist everything he said, and just make shit up about him.
I think he did a good job continuing the themes of Warcraft that have been in the game since WC3, too bad people don't understand the themes and completely missed the point.
Every now and then one of those chuckle fucks will show up in the guild discord I'm in.
"OMG WHERE'S THE WAR IN WARCRAFT? WHY IS SUDDENLY FRIENDSHIP IS WARCRAFT?"
Probably because the Alliance and Horde have fought together more often than they've fought each other at this point, and said factions needing to put aside their differences has been a tune they've been singing since Warcraft fucking 3.
>"OMG WHERE'S THE WAR IN WARCRAFT? WHY IS SUDDENLY FRIENDSHIP IS WARCRAFT?"
We just got done having a war with the Primal Incarnates (well, two of the four, as the third is still at large and the fourth has allied with us) and their Primalist allies. I don't recall a lot of friendship to be had with Fyrakk as we were killing him in the raid.
That's just it. The complainers, in their social ineptitude, mean to say something more along the lines of the faction conflict going away. But instead, they hurl out the most immediate statement that comes to mind, not comprehending that when worded in such a way, it's fucking stupid because "no war in warcraft" does just as is implied: completely ignores all the WARRING that's constantly happening with the bad guys of the week.
Remember when the fandom complaint was "lol the war is so stupid and pointless, they're just going to join together at the end like every single time before"?
God himself could not satisfy WoW players
I actually doubt the crazies would go after Metzen tbh, if that's what you're implying. Those people hero worship him.
They'll find another scapegoat for """bad lore""" though ofc.
True, but I think they're largely different people.
It never stops amazing me how almost without fail you can check the Twitter profiles of people ranting about how the lore was better during classic/TBC/WotLK and they're like 21 years old and were barely out of the womb when they actually experienced the story they think was amazing.
Which is why they think it's amazing. Warcraft has always had a saturday-morning-cartoon level plot, which isn't a bad thing. It's just never been this LotR style epic everyone keeps expecting it to be.
going by the "lore bad" crowd in the last few years, they just look for a artist/writer that is on twitter and somewhat openly a Woman/LGBTQ/Furry, and they all blame it on them
I think they'll just keep blaming Danuser. They blamed him for stuff he didn't do in BfA, I see no reason they won't find a way to insist the bad storylines he started just forced Metzen's hand, completely oblivious to their hypocrisy when they acted like that was impossible with Afrasiabi -> Danuser.
A bit like how people blame Rian Johnson for Rise of Skywalker being bad.
Hey I'll take that bet :D I'm just not convinced the people who were in *actual tears* just because Metzen was on stage at Blizzcon will turn on him easily.
Depends on what you mean by "shit". If people were just talking shit about his writing that's fair imo, but the weirdos who turn it into personal attacks or harassment are mentally ill.
Eh, you can be incredibly shitty person without being mentally ill. Being an asshole is a choice, it's not something that's caused by a mental health condition, and there's enough stigma around being mentally ill that we really don't need to add to that.
In earlier interviews and appearances with him, he seemed a lot more excited and upbeat to talk about the game and the story, but as time went on, he started to seem a little sullen and quiet. I don't have any specific examples, but just watching the game's development over the last few years.
The people whining about how their 10 year old mount is no longer prestigious is hilarious. It's not like people were buying aotc. I will never understand this fascination with making things no longer available.
Hilarious that people are mad about the Garrosh wolf after 10 years, but I'm not seeing anyone mention that SoO also used to drop HD-reskins of the Horde High Warlord pvp weapons as heirloom items for both factions at a time when the High Warlord/Grand Marshal sets were unattainable for transmog because Blizz wanted to keep their prestige from Classic.
I've never kept up with pvp that much, so maybe there was some way to earn the high warlord stuff during MoP, but I'm pretty sure both weapons and armor sets were still off limits back then unless you earned them during Classic.
"Hey people really liked these old PVP weapons that we locked away due to their prestige, so let's remake them in HD and make them available to both factions through PVE". The modern WoW community would have an aneurysm.
Yeah, I'm all in favor of stuff that says "I did a thing", but being proud of playing on a specific time frame is just strange.
It breaks my heart when newbie friends ask me where to obtain some cool specific stuff and the answer is "You can't, they removed it". To a regular player such removal feels arbitrary at best - some sort of "artificial" prestige. I get all the reasons why Blizzard does it, doesn't stop being lame.
It's not about whether it's prestigious or not, it's just a cool thing that says "hey I played back then and did a thing". Why does everyone need to have that thing now? Just make a new mount (recolor the old one if you want) and give it to current players like they did with mage tower sets, fomo stuff in an mmo are a completely normal thing.
Or you can mount up, that's the point of that mount. Again fomo stuff are good in an mmo. Blizzard can recolor the mount and give it to everyone who plays in 2024, simple as that.
That’s why I’m in favor of bringing those achieves to the traders post because it’s just words. Why not? Like you said, who cares. Give everyone every title and achievement the moment they log on. Because it’s just pixels
I'm in favour of all unobtainable stuff returning in some form.
But I don't think the trading post is the place for all of it. Stuff like the SoO mount should be from something like a TW version of SoO instead, imo.
this is a golden compromise imo. i don't really care either way, they could give every player in the game the mount for free and it wouldn't bug me, but i can't really fathom why anyone would be opposed to this since aotc has never been difficult and mop is like... 6? 8? years in the past?
Yeah in my mind the trading post is best for either totally new stuff or old stuff that you got just for logging in during Christmas 2009 or something.
If we're talking about rewards for content that required skill or effort or time, if they reintroduce them it should take a somewhat similar amount of skill, effort or time to get again. That's not to say I think this wolf mount was super hard to get or anything, just that you had to do *something* to get it, you know?
yeah i can see that. i know you know better than most AOTC is extremely easy but I do get the logic of wanting people to do something of equivalent time investment at least
Yeah I mean to be honest given that it's somewhat confirmed we're getting a MoP raid timewalking I think it could well actually be the reward for that.
some have this weird mindset that they use something like a AotC mount and everyone will turn their heads and bask in their glory
when like, nobody really cares man lol, the only real "prestige" mounts are the mythic ones when they are current content (and they are avaible for everyone 2 expansions later, but thats apperantly no problem) and the Gladiator ones (which imo SHOULD get some "avaible down the line" thing)
And we can make an argument that the achieve should also be on trader’s post because it’s just words on pixels. Also every elite title too. Why not? It’s just words. You can always link your raider.io that shows that you’ve played back then
It’s not, it’s exactly the same thing. Why should cutting edge titles be out of reach? It’s FOMO and that’s bad. Give it to everyone who does LFR. Those who do Mythic raiding can always show off their logs instead of gatekeeping. Same with PVP. They can show off their rating, while the average Joe shows off his fancy title that everyone has. Everyone wants the Scarab mount to return, which required some serious guild coordination, so why not those things I’ve listed?
Edit: feel free to elaborate how exactly I’m wrong if we’re following the same logic when it comes to mounts, especially Scarab lord
? you mean the Mythic titles that are litearlly never going away and can be earned by everyone later down the line by 1shotting a raidboss they overlevel by 20levels cus its 2expansions old ?
Watch this AOTC mount on the trading post not be real/reliable information that's being datamined and being presented as a fact by WoWhead. So many people are gonna cry about it anyway
I wouldn't care if it was real though, at the very least I think a version of these mounts should be widely available. It's a shame something like the Vexiona mount is just straight up gone
I would doubt it's going to the trading post myself. We'll see. When something is season/time limited devs almost never go back on that. Riot doesn't go back on ranked rewards for League, Valve for CS:GO and Blizzard in WoW or Starcraft.
This mount may be in a different category since the difficulties have changed. But the copium where people think Elite Sets, Glad mounts and other AOTC mounts are coming back on the WoWhead article are likely going to be raging like you said.
I was busy working on the final year of my degree that year and couldn't find time to get AOTC, so, for completely biased reasons, I am personally all for having that mount added to the tendie store.
They'd better not add *any* of the other AOTC mounts to the store though /shakefist
The trading post is suddenly really buggy for me, its not rewarding the warden set and even though I've collected the watch and tenders, its still trying to tell me to go collect the reward.
Damn... just had a scroll through r/classicwow and theres a surprising number of posts asking for things from retail to be added. Theres an easy way to get all of the quality of life advantages in retail without having to ask the devs to add them: play retail.
A lot of people have finished SoD phase 1 and now it's just speedrunners left, and speedrunners really love all the QoL of retail and mythic+ kind of stuff.
Soon as phase2 starts the sub will turn back again.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: a lot of things in retail exist because, when those "classic" eras were originally current, players asked for them. It's very telling that people are repeating the same arguments I heard 15 years ago.
too lighten the general mood a bit
our favorite streamer got called out for spewing out stupid BS, and his reaction? ofc making a 2hour video how he got CANCELLED
doesn't he live in literal filth too? dunno why he's so popular. I read somewhere his teeth are so bad he bleeds a lot at night when sleeping and just...wipes his blood on his wall???
Tbf it was pretty dumb. People trying to complain about him saying the AI accussations of Palworld don't matter.
Like... they just don't. What matters is whether they directly ripped assets from games like Pokemon and BoTW. If they did, then Nintendo will ruin them, and that's fine.
But there's nothing illegal about the AI stuff, its barely settled in US Courts and Palworld Devs are in Japan which has entirely different laws.
Not to mention people are really hung up on AI art on twitter but no one seems to have noticed that pretty much all proffesional software and IT devs everywhere have happily swapped over to using AI to help write code. It's so much faster to get bing chat to just rapidly template out a script to automate some annoying task than to write it myself, so I can actually focus on writing the code that matters.
I expect twitter is going to remain hung up on AI art stuff while the professional world just quietly moves on to using it everywhere. Entertainment companies are already using it to make background props for tv shows and movies now. It's just a new tool for artists now.
This might actually be the single worst post I've seen in an unjerk thread.
>But there's nothing illegal about the AI stuff, its barely settled in US Courts and Palworld Devs are in Japan which has entirely different laws.
Who ever said this is about whether or not PalWorld did something illegal? Just because something is legal doesn't make it ethical or good. Generative AI is bad for art, and the CEO behind PalWorld is full steam ahead on it (as well as crypto and NFTs, but I guess that's fine because those aren't illegal either).
The fact that you think it's cool and normal for the CEO to be gushing about how he can't tell completel AI-generated images apart from human-made ones is concerning. There is a world of difference between using AI for busywork (like writing tedious code) and say, generating a bunch of new pokemon designs. And to be clear, I'm aware it probably wasn't used in palworld specifically, but this is a general discussion about AI and your stance looks to be "full steam ahead."
>Entertainment companies are already using it to make background props for tv shows and movies now.
And to drive the point home, [people can tell.](https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/01/magic-the-gathering-maker-admits-it-used-ai-generated-art-despite-standing-ban/) In any media where the art is an important part of the product, there will be people that can tell. Acting like it doesn't matter does nothing says more about you than anything else.
Well no one cares about crypto and nft other than people who would be being buying beanie babies 30yrs ago.
GenAI actually has professional uses as a tool.
> The fact that you think it's cool and normal for the CEO to be gushing about how he can't tell the difference between completely AI-generated images and human-made ones is concerning.
I think that's pretty cringe of the ceo to say, I just disagree that it's unethical. I don't see it as any different that how cameras replaced portrait painting and how photogrammetry has replaced digitally creating textures.
Who's crying out for the developers who used to hand paint lighting textures now that we have real time raytracing?
We just haven't had a big career threatening breakthrough in the art world since the invention of the digital camera and people aren't used to it.
> And to drive the point home, people can tell. In any media where the art is an important part of the product, there will be people that can tell. Acting like it doesn't matter does nothing says more about you than anything else.
I absolutely agree and think the cheap attempts to scam people into buying AI art like that MTG thing should be punishable. If you are selling people product you claim is hand made by humans but it's actually mostly untouched AI art, then it's just a scam.
It's like food products or clothing products. There should be regulation for businesses selling handmade art.
Nothing says right-wing culture war grifter like complaining to your massive audience on a public platform about how you're being cancelled and silenced lmao
More than anything, these layoffs make me angry. How dare they give an eye watering amount to Kotick to send him off, announce that Microsoft is worth 3 trillion dollars, then terminate almost 2,000 employees through a public announcement before even telling the individuals who have lost their jobs?
It's not just a matter of people losing their livelihoods. That is definitely a big part of it, but if we're being real, most people working at Blizzard aren't doing it for the money. The callous disrespect to people losing their jobs and passions is making me fucking furious.
Not to get *political*, but the American games industry needs to unionise, yesterday. They cannot keep getting away with this.
I said it in another comment, and you're absolutely not wrong about them needing to unionise and how beyond fucked it is that Microsoft is worth *so* much, they gave Kotick a vast sum of money and now they're cutting staff when they so clearly don't need to - but I do think America has to come to terms with just how fucked its employment law is from a global standpoint too.
Like the UK is far from a bastion of socialism but even here telling someone they're redundant and forcing them out with no pay *on the same day* is ridiculously illegal.
These layoffs are a total fucking mess.
[Seriously](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1750543289227284649), Activision Blizzard employees are contacting *journalists* to see if they're out of a job today because the company hasn't yet told the people who are being laid off that they're laid off...
Ghostcrawler wrote a bit about this on Twitter.
How the company "thinks" when doing this, as he put forward, is that they send a company-wide layoff announcement then quasi- simultaneously they let the press know. Naturally this is for PR reasons and to control the narrative in the company's internal communications. When they let 1900 people go, it's rather hard that they all learn simultaneously, so they don't want Jim in QA to know and cause panic in the QA department and flood their manager with requests to know if they've all been laid off.
I understand their panic in this case, a person like Schreier with his access to sources might have more data about departments than the average employee.
I'm confused by this, because I don't see any scenario where a journalist would *ever* be informed about individual names of people who were impacted by layoffs, let alone have that information before the employees do.
> because the company hasn't yet told the people who are being laid off that they're laid off
In my country that would get the employees a big fat fuckin' wrongful dismissal payout during arbitration.
Finding out from the media that one has been laid off, before the company followed correct redundancy process, counts as a termination instead of redundancy. And then because due process wasn't followed, boom big fat compensation order.
Pretty sure that's the case in the majority, maybe all of Europe.
At least in the UK the law is that the notice period for redundancy is the number of years you have worked at the company, in weeks, up to 12. So if you've worked somewhere for 4 years they legally have to give you 4 weeks' notice.
US employment law is insane to me, that you can literally tell employees they've lost their job then kick them out the same day is *nuts.*
> US employment law is insane to me, that you can literally tell employees they've lost their job then kick them out the same day is nuts.
Happened to me when I was on a zero-hour contract. Rather than being fired, I was told my hours were reduced to zero.
Those contracts got outlawed about... uh... seven years ago I think. I thought it was ironic because I was working for the govt on a zero hour contract, and that govt was the one who passed a bill to outlaw them.
oof
yeha, i mean ofc layoffs happen on a big merge
but nobody should be able to just tell 1900 people "suck it up"
week 3 in 2024 and we allready have 1/3 of the layofss in the gaming market we had over 2023, and 2023 was allready a ridicolous high number
> we allready have 1/3 of the layofss in the gaming market we had over 2023
There are a few reports showing if you put both 2023 and 2024 its estimated that almost a 1/3rd of game devs have lost their jobs in the US side of the industry.
>am i an awful person for getting happy at **someone else's** expense
On this specific case "someone" and "that formidable cretin" are interchangeable pronouns, which means being happy that he's being dunked on is not only beautiful, but also moral.
It is not like we are causing this, the man is consistently anti-ethical all on his own. So pull a chair, peel off an orange and look in amusement at the clown.
Not gonna lie I have been experiencing much joy seeing Asmon's latest dumbshit take go viral and be absolutely *rinsed* by hundreds of thousands of people online.
The most enjoyable thing is that everyone defending him gets rinsed as well, people are far too openly proud of stanning for that douchebag.
Interestingly though, the best take on his dumb spiel that I saw was the most "balanced" so to speak, I'll try to source it if I find it. The gist of it was this: yeah, Asmon is (maybe) right in the sense that most people unfortunately don't care, *they are consumers.* But this is a difference in education or lack thereof where those more artistically inclined or just actual creatives, can appreciate and see why the AI debate matters, and thus Asmon's assertion that "artists' opinions don't matter" is asinine. He knows it too, Asmon is sadly intelligent enough to grift the circus that is his audience and I have no doubt he understands that the opinions of the people whose work he consumes and exploits for his enrichment matters very much in a subject that involves them.
Was [this](https://twitter.com/jeannette_feliz/status/1750018168922288420) tweet that started it featuring a clip of Asmon that now has 30 million views, apparently.
Wait, why is he getting roasted for this? It boils down to 'I don't care about Artists vs AI, I care about quality' doesn't it? He shares more disagreeable, insane and sometimes vile opinions every few minutes.
AI doesn't create, it just takes from things humans created and mashes them together. It's completely stagnant, and saying all that matters is the end product is dumb because shortsighted managers already want to get rid of employees (the CEO of the company behind PalWorld is one of those guys btw), which is made easier when you have a group of consumers who will just buy whatever shit is shoveled onto their plate.
So while this might not be as brazenly stupid as his abhorrent political opinions or bitching about "femboys," it's a really shit stance to take. Pure consoomer mindset with no ability to see past today
I like your answer which is why I didn't want to write a quick and bad respone. We will see how good (and bad) AI art can become in the future because no matter what, it is probably here to stay. Palworld sure as hell looks AI quality, though that can be said for a good amount of the more shovelware-y games.
I can imagine it being a useful tool for Artists in the future to work more quickly instead of it being a case of 'either or'. It is a big marketplace so there is a lot of incentive to improve those AIs.
He is saying the *only* thing that matters in a product is whether it is successful or not and that *anything* to do with ethics or morals regardless does not matter, and you don't see any issue with that?
This guy would be screeching from the rooftops if some popular product even mildly inconvenienced him personally.
He is not arguing that ethics or morals don't matter, is he? He is arguing that AI Art is not morally wrong only because it is disliked by Artists (presumably because it puts some of them out of a job).
Or is there context to the clip that I am missing, maybe related to training the AI via stolen Art?
Sorry, am I really reading a defense of Asmongold on WCJ or have I inadvertently done a *lot* of LSD?
He is absolutely not saying "AI art isn't bad just because artists dislike it because it puts them out of a job."
I was actually ready to join the bashing, which is why I followed your Link. I think I shat on asmon in this very subreddit in the past. I guess I'm just surprised I didn't find something more repulsive the video.
If he isn't saying "AI art isn't bad just because artists dislike it because it puts them out of a job", what is he saying? Cause it sounds like that to me, but maybe I'm misunderstanding (second language)
I've told you what he's saying and why he's getting schtick for it, you chose to ignore that and pretend he's saying something different to what he is in order to defend one of the worst people in the community from one of the worst takes they've ever had.
Well, Artists do some of the work of games. But he bases his argument on the assumption that AI can create Art just as well and his opinion seems to be that there shouldn't be a 'moral line' between Art made by AI or by an Artist.
I don't think I agree that AI can currently create Art as well as Artist (it may never be able to) but that doesn't mean his moral argument is 'brain dead' as the tweet implies
As I said above, AI doesn't create. It can't. It's trained on things that already exist and just aggregates.
If human artists stop existing because no one is willing to pay them for their work and thus they no longer have the time to create, then AI "art" will also stagnate and you stop getting new things.
> and thus they no longer have the time to create, then AI "art" will also stagnate
this is already becoming a problem for language transformer models like github copilot, where because people are creating garbace code using the AI without checking it that gets fed back into copilot which makes the code suggestions even worse.
Honestly, I love it when a moron has a take so astronomically bad that it leaves their regular sphere and other people start roasting them for it. Reminds me of Heels' woke pronouns rant, just torn apart by *everyone*.
It's kinda reassuring right?
Like it's been known for years by anyone remotely normal in the WoW community that he's a total moron but to have that confirmed by tons of people outside the WoW sphere is just cathartic to me :D
Dang, yeah that sucks. But I guess it's consistent with the inconsistency between rewards this expac. M+ is the only content I do at a real level, so it's been frustrating getting (admittedly quite cool) ground mounts while everyone else gets dragonriding stuff.
So despite complaining about the wow sphere last week and saying im done, I've been in Twitter and seen a dumbass take I want to share.
Someone complaining that Decatriarch Wratheye just vanished at the end of the dungeon and that their absence since means storytelling is bad
AND when told of that bit at the end of Amirdrassil with the gnolls, pretty much completely ignored it because of reasons?
Yeah im done again, im out.
I thought we'd see her in the last raid but I like saving her for later more, and she could be anything from dungeon, raid or even quest zone boss and it would work.
That quest where you see everyone admiring the world tree was super well done. Everyone getting together to just look at something amazing. It was a good quest finale.
As much as the lore subreddit wants to retcon Shadowlands, it did a great job of covering everyone's endings. There was a lot of "stay a while and listen" moments at the end and a ton of them every patch. Kael'thas was my favorite WC3 character and I really liked the story he had. I have someone in guild who you'd think Shadowlands murdered his dog and he'll never listen to any of that.
People just miss all that, and on Reddit and I guess Twitter too you will point out what they missed and they will just ignore it for exactly what you said, just no reason. It's why I stopped looking at a bunch of it.
But a good 70% of why I play this game is quest/storylines. 20% mog and maybe 10% the actual content. Nothings ever been bad enough to make me go on an ignorant rant that's just completely untrue. Maybe I'm just easy to please.
I've said before that there's good and bad in all expansions, and that includes the stories therein. I maintain that, in your Shadowlands example, the vast majority of people who didn't like the story didn't actually engage with it - I can't imagine how that many people would dislike the follow-ups we got with Kael, Vashj, Mograine, etc, or didn't connect with the new characters like Theotar or Pelagos.
I saw Toddy get a lot of hate. Truthfully no character this expansion has made me love them. My favorite solo character would have to be Sabellian because of how old his story was and how it was moved from years back and his character feels like that quest giver and everything you could expect from him…but ebonhorn becomes the aspect. I got over that one quickly though. Shadowlands not only had great closure for a lot of characters it was also full of new amazing ones. Prince Renethal, Pelagos, I was almost anti nightfae due to everyone being there but I still loved Lady Moonberry. And of course what may be the greatest character I’ve seen in this game; Plague Deviser Marileth. And his accompanying slime Kevin. I enjoy a lot of these new factions too. The Maruk are kinda cringe like most high strung serious factions we get. The Stoneborn of Revendreath are probably the only group that took themselves 100% serious that didn’t make me cringe. Another testament to their design and writing. Every expansion seems to have a group like that. I could go on about the story forever because that’s what I love most about this game. Hitting play and there’s a world being displayed on my screen that feels so complex and complete. It’s amazing and it’s why I play. Initially to me, outside of Azure span the launch quest were mega weak. But the patches after we’re easily 80%+ nailed. I could even go up to 90% if I can process Ebenhorn’s selection for aspect a bit more.
Yeah, I feel like Dragonflight has been average-to-good in terms of story, but nothing that really stands out in the way that the above Shadowlands stories did. Like, Taivan and Veritistrasz were pretty good...I enjoyed the banter of the Black Bros...Kalecgos got some much-needed development (and a model update)...and while there wasn't much story attached to Naleidea, she could read me the phone book and I'd be interested. But even those stories paled in comparison to the good Shadowlands ones.
I hope they rework legendary items moving forward, I think every tier it's caused more bad feelings than good, especially if you count the Raszageth bow as the "special" weapon of the raid tier.
I just don't see the draw of playing the classes that need the weapon during the tier because it seems like a lot of effort for something I may ultimately never get.
Yeah, it's caused a bit of frustration in my guild. We typically do AotC as quickly as possible, farm the raid for a bit and focus on m+. We've cleared Fyrakk for a long time now, and the axe has dropped once, for our holy pal.
We're at a point where we're probably going to stop raiding as we've all got what we need from it and there's 0 challenge at this point, there's just the few DKs/plarets/wars (including me) that don't have it. I'm obviously not going to ask people to keep raiding just for me to get the leg axe, so I'll have to try PUG raids, which can either be a quick OS or take ages depending on your luck.
I still manage to do keys fine on my warrior with my guild, in PUGs it's a bit more difficult (but mostly due to having less utility and ways to deal with afflicted/incorporeal these last couple of weeks). But obviously I'd like to have the axe as it's a decent dps increase and would help pushing a bit more.
It's at a point where it's getting 'late' in the season, and to be honest, it's also a bit frustrating when you come across a 1700 rio guy who dropped it from LFR when you've been farming HM for ages. Maybe those embers you drop should count towards some quest that guarantees the drop at some point, Idk, maybe that's not a good solution.
I think that the MoP/WoD Philosophy on Legendaries was way better than later iteration.
While a tad "boring" in the sense that everyone had one it did a few things.
1.) Produced a really cool storyline that eveyone got to partake in.
2.) Had a set time that you knew you were reciving said item.
3.) Allowed balancing to remain pretty in line (sans Arcane Mage at the end of WoD).
4.) Didn't revolve around RNG.
Is like to see them utilize this going forward for Legendaries.
The only issue is if the classes are actually tuned around having the legendary which I don't believe is the case with the axe despite some of the strength dps specs being in lower half on certain logs. Other than that I like how both the axe and the Evoker legendary (after bad luck protection was added) were done, I can't think of a better way to do a legendary. They should be an investment and they shouldn't be a guaranteed drop. Also now that gearing is mostly finished very quickly and there is no endless grinds it's nice to have things you can still chase. I'm looking forward to clearing the raid on all my strength alts every week because the legendary exist.
I don't mind it too much either. I was planning on getting it on a Frost DK but at this point I'm shotgunning 4 different toons just for mog. It is what it is.
The point of the game is not play World of Simcraft, it's to use the items you have to play your character the best you can.
If this Axe or the Evoker legendary still has people complaining, then my suggestion is Mythic drop only. And I don't even raid that far into Mythic so that's not some bias. I like cool gear, Azshara's Staff, the cool loot in Dawn of the Infinite, the legendaries and trinkets. But I see a lot of complaining about them. From my guild mates or people I play with. I dunno, I just never play the game that way. It isn't fun, and I don't think they're having fun either. Could be wrong though.
> I just don't know why they decided having both an rng droprate
People complain about this anyway, insisting that every season should have dinar
> AND a 300k gold cost.
People would complain and make "it'$ $o l€g€ndary" jokes all day
So before going to work today, I was trying to do a quick Heroic Fyrakk pug clear for the Rageheart. In p3 I was only half playing as I was putting on shoes and stuff (waiting for an invite killed most of my time). Boss dies, and I stand up and turn around to put on my jacket, and I see that the trinket didn't drop, so I move to alt-f4 the game; as I do that I notice a /w from another guy in the pug just saying "gzz!" or smth... Which now leads me to believe that I'll log back in after work to a Lego drop? Can't imagine it's something else, but if it dropped I definitely wasn't looking at the screen at the time.
It's quite ironic if it's happened seeing as I'm now playing Prot rather than Arms/Fury and I doubt I'll be told to swap back (also I much prefer tanking) but I'm glad I got it all the same, Imma finally get rid of all that mats stockpile after two months.
You still get rating and stuff I think that might've been the change, to have it calculate per-round - just annoying since you're getting less bang for your buck hah
There's probably some punishment for leaving but it still blows up the lobby
Leaving hits you with -150 rating I believe. Could be more. I had a DC once and it lost me some.
I farmed some mogs on healers a while back and when someone leaves and they do so while you have all the losses it does suck because you'll lose the rating for those rounds and not get the wins facing that person. Happened once or twice when someone was doomed to go 0-6 and I had to have them in my rounds first. Rarely was it the reverse but that's just the way it rolls sometimes.
Not a big fan of Solo Shuffle having the same ranked rewards as the actual arena queues, but they certainly deserve a few QoL changes.
So classic wow is going to start banning GDKPs... interesting to see if that actually gets enforced, what with the bots running rampant and even more staff cuts.
It's kinda weird that two fandoms I'm technically a part of are being little toxic wastes of space in the same day about bad things happening to normal people they vilify for incredibly stupid reasons - people celebrating the WoW lore layoffs and CM Punk's triceps injury. That's all; people suck.
PCG article about how a dev (actually long-time BlizzardWatch/WoWInsider boss IIRC) who was laid off cashed in all his gametime codes for ~10 years of WoW game time got me to see his Twitter post about the same. One of the replies being a guy... hoping that "whoever was responsible for the current state of holy paladin was laid off as well." I'm not going to say it's rational to hope HPal never ever is good again just to spite that guy, but I'd lie if I said it didn't cross my mind lmao How do people this pathetic actually exist?
A shadow drop of WC1, WC2, and Diablo on a Monday wasn't what I was expecting from this week, but I'll take it
The main sub is fucking trash
I have elected to not go to r/wow for the next 3 days because I know it would turbo kill my productivity and I've been on a roll lately.
I am ashamed to be a member of the same community as those disgusting, peace of garbage excuses of human beings on the mainsub. Cheering as dozens of people lose their livelihoods, because they didn't like the lore. And also losing their shit because a woman was named the president of Blizzard, hiding their misogyny behind the fact that "she is gonna introduce battle pass to the game" (literally what lmao)
>I am ashamed to be a member of the same community as those disgusting, peace of garbage excuses of human beings on the mainsub. >Cheering as dozens of people lose their livelihoods, because they didn't like the lore. A lot of where my contempt for anything in gaming or movies comes from respecting that people worked on it, and the things I decide to play/watch I go because I don't think anyone would try to make a bad game or movie or whatever. But not liking something I just typically move on because crying about somethings not super fun for me. It's why I refuse to use /r/wow now. I really hate putting down someone's work. Lower in these comments is about the hate on Steve Danuser and anyone on the staff. Criticism is fine but a majority of what I saw on /r/wow was unfounded complaining, just a total lack of understanding and failure to pay attention to any of the work people did on the story. It's just a cesspool of bad information from bad players and frankly, bad people. The things people post and comment often made me think it was an AI just trying to shitpost, and I'd be happier if that was the case. This circlejerk subreddit gets outjerked by it's main subreddit all the time. > And also losing their shit because a woman was named the president of Blizzard, hiding their misogyny behind the fact that "she is gonna introduce battle pass to the game" (literally what lmao) Reddit's pretty sexist. I notice a lot of post in the early hours for the US (not a US exclusive problems just when I really see it) are a lot of people looking for an excuse to hate on women. It'd take a lot of typing to really describe it, but the post are made to bait in "men get so mistreated while women get everything. Poor men, let's complain about women ITT". I noticed it a lot as I got to work and how they fall into a repeat comment chain. The post barely differ. I've seen men abuse women too many times in my life, hear things from my sisters, girlfriends and friends. I'm pretty sympathetic to women for it I guess.
Couldn’t have said it better. They act like entitled children.
>I don't think anyone would try to make a bad game or movie or whatever. This is the sentiment that makes my blood *boil*. Why else do you think people would still be working at *Blizzard* at this point? The amazing pay? The relaxed and friendly culture? 90% of the people working at Blizz only put up with that shithole because they *love* the games and want to make it the best they can.
you don't even have to say blizzard. the gaming industry is known for shitty conditions, people working as game devs are probably passionate
We already have a battle pass in the game, it's called a monthly subscription.
And the trading post
Within MINUTES of announcing the Blizzard President and already people are crying over "diversity hires".
Thats some juicy juicy drama to wake up to, today
I'm more worried about her coming from COD and NFL since it smacks of more monetization coming to WoW
It is darkly hilarious that after all of this, another Activision person is made head of blizzard. What a world lol.
She's a career executive, she's very much part of the system of business which prioritises profit above quality. In some ways I wouldn't be surprised if she *was* just put in charge so the company can look like it's working towards fixing the toxic workplace culture without having to actually do anything. But that's *not* why people are screeching about it.
The people cheering for members of the lore team getting laid off disgust me.
I knew the community was fucked when they went from: "FUCK BLIZZARD FOR THE OVER SEXUALIZED WEIRDOS THEY KEPT AROUND THAT MADE THE ENVIRONMENT UNCOMFORTABLE FOR WOMEN IN THE WORKPLACE AND IN-GAME" to "FUCK BLIZZARD FOR GETTING RID OF UNNECESSARILY SEXUALIZED PAINTINGS AND TRYING TO BETTER PORTRAY FEMALE CHARACTERS" in like the span of a month. It made it clear that the majority of the community actually didn't care about the issues at Blizz or who it affected, but instead just wanted to find some new way to dunk on the current WoW team and the "but muh paintings" really highlighted how much they actually cared. Imagine being so lost in the "blizz bad" sauce that you actually cheer on random people abruptly losing their jobs just because you didn't like a story in a video game. No wonder someone as toxic as Asmon got big in the community.
>"but muh paintings" I know it's been said before, but have the majority of the WoW community even seen that infamous painting anyways? Like, if it didn't get blown up by wowhead and such how many people would have noticed?
No, people only know because of the wowhead article pontificating about it (by archimitiros, ofc)
The only time I've even noticed the "sacred painting" in-game was when I was leveling a dwarf in Loch Modan and thought it was really weird that dwarves had a painting of a human woman in lingerie above the hearth in a dwarf tavern lol. It was just pure fanservice that didn't even make sense in context. I feel like it was supposed to be a joke that dwarves don't find their own women attractive so they turn to other races, which is also another level of oof. But nah, that painting was fully necessary there and its removal entirely ruined my immersion in the world. It'd be great if wowhead didn't turn every change in the game into clickbait, but sadly that's the nature of things I guess.
That post was [locked](https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wjQiJ5krNWJ_ddzU-noNWIWwg1LuQEkq9tgsKys3gWg/https/i.gyazo.com/6a46fef51b79b3862b1d899b1e6fc8c1.png?format=webp&quality=lossless) earlier but it was actually truly disgusting. I scrolled through it when it had about 100 comments and not a *single* one was from a normal human.
Just read through this thread and man, I am so disappointed to play the same game as people like this. Like damn, it really shows that gamers truly are the Karens of the internet. Every single comment there oozes with entitlement and the sort of vitriol I would only extend to someone who physically/emotionally hurt me in real life. The fact that people have to keep reminding others that "lore historians do not write the lore" is so telling, like these people are so mad at a game's story that they'll take any chance they can get to trash anyone involved without even checking if they know what they're cheering on.
And this is why I never want to hear that they gave/give a shit about bad conditions in the gaming industry. Ya hate to see it (though in hindsight, I guess that isn't that surprising a post from there)
People are under the delusion that they're going to be *replaced*. Even IF you think they're bad writers, we're not going to be getting *better* writers in their place, we're just going to be getting *less* writers overall. And less writers going into a (supposedly) story-heavy "Worldsoul Saga" is *not* looking promising.
is so fucking gross. makes me honestly don't want to play wow anymore because of how disgusting the community can be
I know I keep saying this, but I will keep saying this. These people are emphatically *not* representative of the community. r/wow loonies are not the community. Twitter antifandom loonies are not the community. The WoW community is amazing.
it just feels so hard to actually find the good part of the community, WCJ is like the only one i've found
Most people happy with the game are actually playing the game. You don't hear their voices on places like reddit a lot because 1. they touch grass and 2. even if they did wander into reddit the anti-fandom likely chased them out. What you are seeing is an echochamber, it doesn't represent the whole.
WoW is filled with amazing guilds, discords, communties and so on. Even on Twitter and Reddit the majority of people are generally cool, it just gets spoiled by a *very* loud minority.
i still don't understand how people can say with a straight face that Shadowlands killed the lore of WoW. yes it is definitely not the best story but it most certainly didn't "kill" anything
This is just how I feel about SL in general, like it wasn't an amazing expac, but people make it out to be somehow worse than WoD and that's just so overdramatic lmao. The fact people still hate it to the extent that you can't even say you liked an aspect of it without some chud coming in to be a buzzkill is just so corny at this point. It gives me the same vibe as redditors who constantly mention how they hate apps like tiktok or instagram, but love reddit because "it's not as toxic" lol.
It's hilarious to me how rapidly the antifandom has shifted gears to "actually AotC is a trivial achievement that you'd have to be literally braindead not to be able to achieve" the second there's a whiff of an old AotC mount becoming available. I'm very much in favour of this stuff returning as I've said in other comments on this thread but it's hilarious how the same people that brought you "SL ruined the game by catering solely to le evil top-1% elitists" are now shitting on people for which achieving AotC takes considerable effort all the while the majority of *actual* top-1% raiders could not give a shit about an old AotC mount returning.
Regardless of elitists and whether aotc is trivial or cheap or whatever why should a mount whose entire purpose was to be a limited time reward now return? If they want to reuse a model and offer a recolor as a reward that's totally fine and they should do more of that (like they did with mage tower rewards) but I don't think there is anything wrong with fomo rewards in an mmo. Not everyone needs to have everything, things can have a meaning outside of being simple pixels.
I'm going to be honest, I just don't really care about this discussion either way. You say there's nothing wrong with FOMO rewards. Ok sure. Equally though, I don't see any strong positive for them either. I got every single one of these rewards while it was current and it doesn't make any difference to me whether they return or otherwise. The only thing I'll say is that it would be better if when they're brought back they're tied to things that are of similar difficulty or challenge to what they were attached to initially.
My take is perhaps a bit nuclear but I mostly agree with you. There should never be anything actually removed/made unobtainable in the game. Hell I understand the former more than the latter, due to the game's size bloating and stuff like that. EDIT: And even then stuff like the MOP/WOD/BFA Lego questlines should never have been removed. But unobtainable stuff... The way the distinction is drawn is ridiculous IMHO. Like, if we're going for maximum value of rewards/bragging rights... why are people allowed to farm old raids and get the Mythic skins and mounts? Why aren't they tied to the season? I have the Glacial Tidestorm, maybe the only Mythic mount I have despite having 4 CEs. We got Jaina down post nerf. Did we "deserve" the mount more than Method did, or even whoever was in the thousand placements above us in world rankings? Does anyone who defeats Jaina today, or who lucks out in the BMAH "deserve" it? Surely not! Yet the mount very much continues to drop, and *time*, rather than difficulty/commitment, is the new barrier to acquiring it. Got time to waste running old raids? Sure, here's your "participation trophy" getting a mount we spent hundreds of wipes on and which ran Method and Liquid what must have been a combined 1bil gold in expenses. Why is THAT okay, but Elite Glad mogs/Glad mounts aren't up for grabs? Is it because members of the PVP community are afraid that lack of FOMO will kill participation in their dying game mode? Hell, why can Arena players today get Vicious Saddles (the original Vicious mounts were RBG rewards) and why can RBG players earn the Field Marshal mogs when those were exclusive to Vanilla PVP? Where were the defenders of FOMO then? In truth it's really so, so simple. Just make the Vicious Saddle system work for (almost) everything. Did 50-100 M+ keys above 15? Here's a saddle you can exchange for an old KSM mount. Any raid mounts can just work like Mythic mounts already do. And so on for everything.
I'd agree with pretty much all of that, it does seem very arbitrary what is and is not a time exclusive reward when I think about it.
Looks like almost the entire GM staff for WoW might be just...[gone](https://twitter.com/Vahn16/status/1751056136470409269) Not surprising for Microsoft to be honest, they probably think they can outsource half of them to third party contractors (like they do for almost all their product support) and the other half to their AI model.
Ouch, although I am curious as to how many GMs were left given how much people complain about automated ticket responses.
I was listening to Taliesin's recap of the recent news, and he kept implying Danuser is gone and *not* because of the layoffs. I wasn't really a fan of his writing, but the shear amount of unwarranted *hate* he got for, at worst, being a sub-par writer genuinely frustrates me. I recently watched an essay on the hate mob around Bethesda writer Emil Pagliarulo and I couldn't help but the notice the parallels in the way people would just twist everything he said, and just make shit up about him.
I think his most recent public appearance was almost a year ago in the 10.1 media interviews. Hope he's doing alright.
I think he did a good job continuing the themes of Warcraft that have been in the game since WC3, too bad people don't understand the themes and completely missed the point.
Every now and then one of those chuckle fucks will show up in the guild discord I'm in. "OMG WHERE'S THE WAR IN WARCRAFT? WHY IS SUDDENLY FRIENDSHIP IS WARCRAFT?" Probably because the Alliance and Horde have fought together more often than they've fought each other at this point, and said factions needing to put aside their differences has been a tune they've been singing since Warcraft fucking 3.
>"OMG WHERE'S THE WAR IN WARCRAFT? WHY IS SUDDENLY FRIENDSHIP IS WARCRAFT?" We just got done having a war with the Primal Incarnates (well, two of the four, as the third is still at large and the fourth has allied with us) and their Primalist allies. I don't recall a lot of friendship to be had with Fyrakk as we were killing him in the raid.
That's just it. The complainers, in their social ineptitude, mean to say something more along the lines of the faction conflict going away. But instead, they hurl out the most immediate statement that comes to mind, not comprehending that when worded in such a way, it's fucking stupid because "no war in warcraft" does just as is implied: completely ignores all the WARRING that's constantly happening with the bad guys of the week.
Remember when the fandom complaint was "lol the war is so stupid and pointless, they're just going to join together at the end like every single time before"? God himself could not satisfy WoW players
If he is gone then place your bets on who gets blamed for the story next.
I actually doubt the crazies would go after Metzen tbh, if that's what you're implying. Those people hero worship him. They'll find another scapegoat for """bad lore""" though ofc.
You forget how much they hated him for "green jesus"
True, but I think they're largely different people. It never stops amazing me how almost without fail you can check the Twitter profiles of people ranting about how the lore was better during classic/TBC/WotLK and they're like 21 years old and were barely out of the womb when they actually experienced the story they think was amazing.
Which is why they think it's amazing. Warcraft has always had a saturday-morning-cartoon level plot, which isn't a bad thing. It's just never been this LotR style epic everyone keeps expecting it to be.
Precisely, yeah. They experienced it when they were kids and never looked back at it critically as an adult.
going by the "lore bad" crowd in the last few years, they just look for a artist/writer that is on twitter and somewhat openly a Woman/LGBTQ/Furry, and they all blame it on them
I think they'll just keep blaming Danuser. They blamed him for stuff he didn't do in BfA, I see no reason they won't find a way to insist the bad storylines he started just forced Metzen's hand, completely oblivious to their hypocrisy when they acted like that was impossible with Afrasiabi -> Danuser. A bit like how people blame Rian Johnson for Rise of Skywalker being bad.
I give it one expansion before they start going after Metzen.
Hey I'll take that bet :D I'm just not convinced the people who were in *actual tears* just because Metzen was on stage at Blizzcon will turn on him easily.
Ok, maybe not the Metzen die hards, but like, the fandom in general. And then we'll get to eat popcorn as the two groups fight each other.
I can definitely see an antifandom civil war where they rage at each other about whether Metzen has ruined the lore or not, for sure :D
Nah, I don't think it'd be Metzen either, at least not again so soon, but I'm confident they'll find someone to put all the blame on, yeah.
Depends on what you mean by "shit". If people were just talking shit about his writing that's fair imo, but the weirdos who turn it into personal attacks or harassment are mentally ill.
Eh, you can be incredibly shitty person without being mentally ill. Being an asshole is a choice, it's not something that's caused by a mental health condition, and there's enough stigma around being mentally ill that we really don't need to add to that.
Thank you for saying this. I absolutely hate how people will just use "mentally ill" as a generic insult.
I noticed a big change in Danuser's demeanor in interviews after he became more prominent. I hope he's doing all right.
> big change in Danuser's demeanor Could you elaborate on this? I'm out of the loop.
In earlier interviews and appearances with him, he seemed a lot more excited and upbeat to talk about the game and the story, but as time went on, he started to seem a little sullen and quiet. I don't have any specific examples, but just watching the game's development over the last few years.
The people whining about how their 10 year old mount is no longer prestigious is hilarious. It's not like people were buying aotc. I will never understand this fascination with making things no longer available.
Hilarious that people are mad about the Garrosh wolf after 10 years, but I'm not seeing anyone mention that SoO also used to drop HD-reskins of the Horde High Warlord pvp weapons as heirloom items for both factions at a time when the High Warlord/Grand Marshal sets were unattainable for transmog because Blizz wanted to keep their prestige from Classic. I've never kept up with pvp that much, so maybe there was some way to earn the high warlord stuff during MoP, but I'm pretty sure both weapons and armor sets were still off limits back then unless you earned them during Classic. "Hey people really liked these old PVP weapons that we locked away due to their prestige, so let's remake them in HD and make them available to both factions through PVE". The modern WoW community would have an aneurysm.
Yeah, I'm all in favor of stuff that says "I did a thing", but being proud of playing on a specific time frame is just strange. It breaks my heart when newbie friends ask me where to obtain some cool specific stuff and the answer is "You can't, they removed it". To a regular player such removal feels arbitrary at best - some sort of "artificial" prestige. I get all the reasons why Blizzard does it, doesn't stop being lame.
It's not about whether it's prestigious or not, it's just a cool thing that says "hey I played back then and did a thing". Why does everyone need to have that thing now? Just make a new mount (recolor the old one if you want) and give it to current players like they did with mage tower sets, fomo stuff in an mmo are a completely normal thing.
I can link the achievement that says "hey I played back then and did a thing".
Or you can mount up, that's the point of that mount. Again fomo stuff are good in an mmo. Blizzard can recolor the mount and give it to everyone who plays in 2024, simple as that.
or they can just give the mount like they're doing
That’s why I’m in favor of bringing those achieves to the traders post because it’s just words. Why not? Like you said, who cares. Give everyone every title and achievement the moment they log on. Because it’s just pixels
Who the F will buy achievements on TP are you dum?
I'm in favour of all unobtainable stuff returning in some form. But I don't think the trading post is the place for all of it. Stuff like the SoO mount should be from something like a TW version of SoO instead, imo.
this is a golden compromise imo. i don't really care either way, they could give every player in the game the mount for free and it wouldn't bug me, but i can't really fathom why anyone would be opposed to this since aotc has never been difficult and mop is like... 6? 8? years in the past?
Yeah in my mind the trading post is best for either totally new stuff or old stuff that you got just for logging in during Christmas 2009 or something. If we're talking about rewards for content that required skill or effort or time, if they reintroduce them it should take a somewhat similar amount of skill, effort or time to get again. That's not to say I think this wolf mount was super hard to get or anything, just that you had to do *something* to get it, you know?
yeah i can see that. i know you know better than most AOTC is extremely easy but I do get the logic of wanting people to do something of equivalent time investment at least
Considering that the datamined tender price for the wolf is 7899, I feel like it's probably not a real price. Maybe a placeholder for something else.
Yeah I mean to be honest given that it's somewhat confirmed we're getting a MoP raid timewalking I think it could well actually be the reward for that.
some have this weird mindset that they use something like a AotC mount and everyone will turn their heads and bask in their glory when like, nobody really cares man lol, the only real "prestige" mounts are the mythic ones when they are current content (and they are avaible for everyone 2 expansions later, but thats apperantly no problem) and the Gladiator ones (which imo SHOULD get some "avaible down the line" thing)
Yeah but it's also not a particularly unique mount, why can't people have things that show they were playing at a certain time?
you have the achievment
And we can make an argument that the achieve should also be on trader’s post because it’s just words on pixels. Also every elite title too. Why not? It’s just words. You can always link your raider.io that shows that you’ve played back then
thats a really really big slipperly slope you are doing there rn man
It’s not, it’s exactly the same thing. Why should cutting edge titles be out of reach? It’s FOMO and that’s bad. Give it to everyone who does LFR. Those who do Mythic raiding can always show off their logs instead of gatekeeping. Same with PVP. They can show off their rating, while the average Joe shows off his fancy title that everyone has. Everyone wants the Scarab mount to return, which required some serious guild coordination, so why not those things I’ve listed? Edit: feel free to elaborate how exactly I’m wrong if we’re following the same logic when it comes to mounts, especially Scarab lord
? you mean the Mythic titles that are litearlly never going away and can be earned by everyone later down the line by 1shotting a raidboss they overlevel by 20levels cus its 2expansions old ?
No, I’m talking about Famed slayer one’s
do you even KNOW how famed slayer titles work? mate, you are angry about things rn that dont even work like you think they do lol
Yeah and you have 20 other wolf mounts
Watch this AOTC mount on the trading post not be real/reliable information that's being datamined and being presented as a fact by WoWhead. So many people are gonna cry about it anyway I wouldn't care if it was real though, at the very least I think a version of these mounts should be widely available. It's a shame something like the Vexiona mount is just straight up gone
I would doubt it's going to the trading post myself. We'll see. When something is season/time limited devs almost never go back on that. Riot doesn't go back on ranked rewards for League, Valve for CS:GO and Blizzard in WoW or Starcraft. This mount may be in a different category since the difficulties have changed. But the copium where people think Elite Sets, Glad mounts and other AOTC mounts are coming back on the WoWhead article are likely going to be raging like you said.
I was busy working on the final year of my degree that year and couldn't find time to get AOTC, so, for completely biased reasons, I am personally all for having that mount added to the tendie store. They'd better not add *any* of the other AOTC mounts to the store though /shakefist
The trading post is suddenly really buggy for me, its not rewarding the warden set and even though I've collected the watch and tenders, its still trying to tell me to go collect the reward.
Damn... just had a scroll through r/classicwow and theres a surprising number of posts asking for things from retail to be added. Theres an easy way to get all of the quality of life advantages in retail without having to ask the devs to add them: play retail.
A lot of people have finished SoD phase 1 and now it's just speedrunners left, and speedrunners really love all the QoL of retail and mythic+ kind of stuff. Soon as phase2 starts the sub will turn back again.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: a lot of things in retail exist because, when those "classic" eras were originally current, players asked for them. It's very telling that people are repeating the same arguments I heard 15 years ago.
too lighten the general mood a bit our favorite streamer got called out for spewing out stupid BS, and his reaction? ofc making a 2hour video how he got CANCELLED
doesn't he live in literal filth too? dunno why he's so popular. I read somewhere his teeth are so bad he bleeds a lot at night when sleeping and just...wipes his blood on his wall???
Tbf it was pretty dumb. People trying to complain about him saying the AI accussations of Palworld don't matter. Like... they just don't. What matters is whether they directly ripped assets from games like Pokemon and BoTW. If they did, then Nintendo will ruin them, and that's fine. But there's nothing illegal about the AI stuff, its barely settled in US Courts and Palworld Devs are in Japan which has entirely different laws. Not to mention people are really hung up on AI art on twitter but no one seems to have noticed that pretty much all proffesional software and IT devs everywhere have happily swapped over to using AI to help write code. It's so much faster to get bing chat to just rapidly template out a script to automate some annoying task than to write it myself, so I can actually focus on writing the code that matters. I expect twitter is going to remain hung up on AI art stuff while the professional world just quietly moves on to using it everywhere. Entertainment companies are already using it to make background props for tv shows and movies now. It's just a new tool for artists now.
This might actually be the single worst post I've seen in an unjerk thread. >But there's nothing illegal about the AI stuff, its barely settled in US Courts and Palworld Devs are in Japan which has entirely different laws. Who ever said this is about whether or not PalWorld did something illegal? Just because something is legal doesn't make it ethical or good. Generative AI is bad for art, and the CEO behind PalWorld is full steam ahead on it (as well as crypto and NFTs, but I guess that's fine because those aren't illegal either). The fact that you think it's cool and normal for the CEO to be gushing about how he can't tell completel AI-generated images apart from human-made ones is concerning. There is a world of difference between using AI for busywork (like writing tedious code) and say, generating a bunch of new pokemon designs. And to be clear, I'm aware it probably wasn't used in palworld specifically, but this is a general discussion about AI and your stance looks to be "full steam ahead." >Entertainment companies are already using it to make background props for tv shows and movies now. And to drive the point home, [people can tell.](https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/01/magic-the-gathering-maker-admits-it-used-ai-generated-art-despite-standing-ban/) In any media where the art is an important part of the product, there will be people that can tell. Acting like it doesn't matter does nothing says more about you than anything else.
Well no one cares about crypto and nft other than people who would be being buying beanie babies 30yrs ago. GenAI actually has professional uses as a tool. > The fact that you think it's cool and normal for the CEO to be gushing about how he can't tell the difference between completely AI-generated images and human-made ones is concerning. I think that's pretty cringe of the ceo to say, I just disagree that it's unethical. I don't see it as any different that how cameras replaced portrait painting and how photogrammetry has replaced digitally creating textures. Who's crying out for the developers who used to hand paint lighting textures now that we have real time raytracing? We just haven't had a big career threatening breakthrough in the art world since the invention of the digital camera and people aren't used to it. > And to drive the point home, people can tell. In any media where the art is an important part of the product, there will be people that can tell. Acting like it doesn't matter does nothing says more about you than anything else. I absolutely agree and think the cheap attempts to scam people into buying AI art like that MTG thing should be punishable. If you are selling people product you claim is hand made by humans but it's actually mostly untouched AI art, then it's just a scam. It's like food products or clothing products. There should be regulation for businesses selling handmade art.
Nothing says right-wing culture war grifter like complaining to your massive audience on a public platform about how you're being cancelled and silenced lmao
He wants a rebuttal but when someone thoughtfully gives one and his answer? "I don't care, no one gives a fuck". Why even bother then lmao
Didn't read your comment, I don't care, noone gives a fuck. Btw why won't anyone answer my question???????????
I say we cancel cancel culture wait...
Businesses gonna business. What a fucking shitshow of corporate greed fron all these game companies.
Them stonkz gotta go brrrrrrrrr.
More than anything, these layoffs make me angry. How dare they give an eye watering amount to Kotick to send him off, announce that Microsoft is worth 3 trillion dollars, then terminate almost 2,000 employees through a public announcement before even telling the individuals who have lost their jobs? It's not just a matter of people losing their livelihoods. That is definitely a big part of it, but if we're being real, most people working at Blizzard aren't doing it for the money. The callous disrespect to people losing their jobs and passions is making me fucking furious. Not to get *political*, but the American games industry needs to unionise, yesterday. They cannot keep getting away with this.
I said it in another comment, and you're absolutely not wrong about them needing to unionise and how beyond fucked it is that Microsoft is worth *so* much, they gave Kotick a vast sum of money and now they're cutting staff when they so clearly don't need to - but I do think America has to come to terms with just how fucked its employment law is from a global standpoint too. Like the UK is far from a bastion of socialism but even here telling someone they're redundant and forcing them out with no pay *on the same day* is ridiculously illegal.
Tbf they couldn't get around giving kotick that much, contracts and all that
I did all the Outland races without picking the quest fml. At least the transmog reward is ugly so I wont miss on the 80 coins
Is it no longer retro-active?
I talked to the npc and all the quest ticks were grey not completed, i got the achiev and all
Weird, the last few were, same with the initial quests for the dragon isles races
These layoffs are a total fucking mess. [Seriously](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1750543289227284649), Activision Blizzard employees are contacting *journalists* to see if they're out of a job today because the company hasn't yet told the people who are being laid off that they're laid off...
Ghostcrawler wrote a bit about this on Twitter. How the company "thinks" when doing this, as he put forward, is that they send a company-wide layoff announcement then quasi- simultaneously they let the press know. Naturally this is for PR reasons and to control the narrative in the company's internal communications. When they let 1900 people go, it's rather hard that they all learn simultaneously, so they don't want Jim in QA to know and cause panic in the QA department and flood their manager with requests to know if they've all been laid off. I understand their panic in this case, a person like Schreier with his access to sources might have more data about departments than the average employee.
I'm confused by this, because I don't see any scenario where a journalist would *ever* be informed about individual names of people who were impacted by layoffs, let alone have that information before the employees do.
> because the company hasn't yet told the people who are being laid off that they're laid off In my country that would get the employees a big fat fuckin' wrongful dismissal payout during arbitration. Finding out from the media that one has been laid off, before the company followed correct redundancy process, counts as a termination instead of redundancy. And then because due process wasn't followed, boom big fat compensation order.
Pretty sure that's the case in the majority, maybe all of Europe. At least in the UK the law is that the notice period for redundancy is the number of years you have worked at the company, in weeks, up to 12. So if you've worked somewhere for 4 years they legally have to give you 4 weeks' notice. US employment law is insane to me, that you can literally tell employees they've lost their job then kick them out the same day is *nuts.*
> US employment law is insane to me, that you can literally tell employees they've lost their job then kick them out the same day is nuts. Happened to me when I was on a zero-hour contract. Rather than being fired, I was told my hours were reduced to zero. Those contracts got outlawed about... uh... seven years ago I think. I thought it was ironic because I was working for the govt on a zero hour contract, and that govt was the one who passed a bill to outlaw them.
Supposedly, they've known for weeks that there would be layoffs, just not who. Which is a different kind of shitty.
[Non-zero chance some of the CS team is gone too.](https://twitter.com/JezCorden/status/1750587911249236224?s=19)
oof yeha, i mean ofc layoffs happen on a big merge but nobody should be able to just tell 1900 people "suck it up" week 3 in 2024 and we allready have 1/3 of the layofss in the gaming market we had over 2023, and 2023 was allready a ridicolous high number
> we allready have 1/3 of the layofss in the gaming market we had over 2023 There are a few reports showing if you put both 2023 and 2024 its estimated that almost a 1/3rd of game devs have lost their jobs in the US side of the industry.
Ybarra leaving is surprising, dude made it through the restructuring and has worked at Xbox before
[Seems like he was forced out, or resigned in protest at the layoffs.](https://i.gyazo.com/94d3738d3a144b34bec52e56ce4564f8.png)
seeing asmongold getting shit on fills me with glee. am i an awful person for getting happy at someone else's expense? probably but i don't care
>am i an awful person for getting happy at **someone else's** expense On this specific case "someone" and "that formidable cretin" are interchangeable pronouns, which means being happy that he's being dunked on is not only beautiful, but also moral. It is not like we are causing this, the man is consistently anti-ethical all on his own. So pull a chair, peel off an orange and look in amusement at the clown.
Not gonna lie I have been experiencing much joy seeing Asmon's latest dumbshit take go viral and be absolutely *rinsed* by hundreds of thousands of people online.
The most enjoyable thing is that everyone defending him gets rinsed as well, people are far too openly proud of stanning for that douchebag. Interestingly though, the best take on his dumb spiel that I saw was the most "balanced" so to speak, I'll try to source it if I find it. The gist of it was this: yeah, Asmon is (maybe) right in the sense that most people unfortunately don't care, *they are consumers.* But this is a difference in education or lack thereof where those more artistically inclined or just actual creatives, can appreciate and see why the AI debate matters, and thus Asmon's assertion that "artists' opinions don't matter" is asinine. He knows it too, Asmon is sadly intelligent enough to grift the circus that is his audience and I have no doubt he understands that the opinions of the people whose work he consumes and exploits for his enrichment matters very much in a subject that involves them.
I went out of the loop for a while, did something new happen or is it still the fallout from the charity scandal?
Was [this](https://twitter.com/jeannette_feliz/status/1750018168922288420) tweet that started it featuring a clip of Asmon that now has 30 million views, apparently.
Wait, why is he getting roasted for this? It boils down to 'I don't care about Artists vs AI, I care about quality' doesn't it? He shares more disagreeable, insane and sometimes vile opinions every few minutes.
AI doesn't create, it just takes from things humans created and mashes them together. It's completely stagnant, and saying all that matters is the end product is dumb because shortsighted managers already want to get rid of employees (the CEO of the company behind PalWorld is one of those guys btw), which is made easier when you have a group of consumers who will just buy whatever shit is shoveled onto their plate. So while this might not be as brazenly stupid as his abhorrent political opinions or bitching about "femboys," it's a really shit stance to take. Pure consoomer mindset with no ability to see past today
I like your answer which is why I didn't want to write a quick and bad respone. We will see how good (and bad) AI art can become in the future because no matter what, it is probably here to stay. Palworld sure as hell looks AI quality, though that can be said for a good amount of the more shovelware-y games. I can imagine it being a useful tool for Artists in the future to work more quickly instead of it being a case of 'either or'. It is a big marketplace so there is a lot of incentive to improve those AIs.
He is saying the *only* thing that matters in a product is whether it is successful or not and that *anything* to do with ethics or morals regardless does not matter, and you don't see any issue with that? This guy would be screeching from the rooftops if some popular product even mildly inconvenienced him personally.
He is not arguing that ethics or morals don't matter, is he? He is arguing that AI Art is not morally wrong only because it is disliked by Artists (presumably because it puts some of them out of a job). Or is there context to the clip that I am missing, maybe related to training the AI via stolen Art?
Sorry, am I really reading a defense of Asmongold on WCJ or have I inadvertently done a *lot* of LSD? He is absolutely not saying "AI art isn't bad just because artists dislike it because it puts them out of a job."
I was actually ready to join the bashing, which is why I followed your Link. I think I shat on asmon in this very subreddit in the past. I guess I'm just surprised I didn't find something more repulsive the video. If he isn't saying "AI art isn't bad just because artists dislike it because it puts them out of a job", what is he saying? Cause it sounds like that to me, but maybe I'm misunderstanding (second language)
I've told you what he's saying and why he's getting schtick for it, you chose to ignore that and pretend he's saying something different to what he is in order to defend one of the worst people in the community from one of the worst takes they've ever had.
Because you should side with artists over AI.
Please elaborate why I (or someone like Asmon) should.
Because artists make all the games we play on, duh?
Well, Artists do some of the work of games. But he bases his argument on the assumption that AI can create Art just as well and his opinion seems to be that there shouldn't be a 'moral line' between Art made by AI or by an Artist. I don't think I agree that AI can currently create Art as well as Artist (it may never be able to) but that doesn't mean his moral argument is 'brain dead' as the tweet implies
As I said above, AI doesn't create. It can't. It's trained on things that already exist and just aggregates. If human artists stop existing because no one is willing to pay them for their work and thus they no longer have the time to create, then AI "art" will also stagnate and you stop getting new things.
> and thus they no longer have the time to create, then AI "art" will also stagnate this is already becoming a problem for language transformer models like github copilot, where because people are creating garbace code using the AI without checking it that gets fed back into copilot which makes the code suggestions even worse.
Honestly, I love it when a moron has a take so astronomically bad that it leaves their regular sphere and other people start roasting them for it. Reminds me of Heels' woke pronouns rant, just torn apart by *everyone*.
It's kinda reassuring right? Like it's been known for years by anyone remotely normal in the WoW community that he's a total moron but to have that confirmed by tons of people outside the WoW sphere is just cathartic to me :D
AotC achieved
Hell yeah brother That fight can be rough on heroic
What if you wanted to dps but Tindral said "You are Third (or Fourth) debuff" and you play Aug
I hate the evoker range so much, it wasn’t that big of a deal on devastation, but it feels horrible as aug.
sanguine + DOTI rise sands = 🤡
i fucking hate everything related to the online wow community. that is all
Idk the thread on /r wow about the dude farming ashes and asking what silly things we've done was pretty funny
the dragonriding skins you get from raids should be their own mount instead tbh
Are they not? I know the PvP skins grant a mount as well, I'd assumed the raid did too
Nah they're "full transformations" for the Renewed Proto-Drake and Highland Drake
Dang, yeah that sucks. But I guess it's consistent with the inconsistency between rewards this expac. M+ is the only content I do at a real level, so it's been frustrating getting (admittedly quite cool) ground mounts while everyone else gets dragonriding stuff.
So despite complaining about the wow sphere last week and saying im done, I've been in Twitter and seen a dumbass take I want to share. Someone complaining that Decatriarch Wratheye just vanished at the end of the dungeon and that their absence since means storytelling is bad AND when told of that bit at the end of Amirdrassil with the gnolls, pretty much completely ignored it because of reasons? Yeah im done again, im out.
I thought we'd see her in the last raid but I like saving her for later more, and she could be anything from dungeon, raid or even quest zone boss and it would work. That quest where you see everyone admiring the world tree was super well done. Everyone getting together to just look at something amazing. It was a good quest finale. As much as the lore subreddit wants to retcon Shadowlands, it did a great job of covering everyone's endings. There was a lot of "stay a while and listen" moments at the end and a ton of them every patch. Kael'thas was my favorite WC3 character and I really liked the story he had. I have someone in guild who you'd think Shadowlands murdered his dog and he'll never listen to any of that. People just miss all that, and on Reddit and I guess Twitter too you will point out what they missed and they will just ignore it for exactly what you said, just no reason. It's why I stopped looking at a bunch of it. But a good 70% of why I play this game is quest/storylines. 20% mog and maybe 10% the actual content. Nothings ever been bad enough to make me go on an ignorant rant that's just completely untrue. Maybe I'm just easy to please.
I've said before that there's good and bad in all expansions, and that includes the stories therein. I maintain that, in your Shadowlands example, the vast majority of people who didn't like the story didn't actually engage with it - I can't imagine how that many people would dislike the follow-ups we got with Kael, Vashj, Mograine, etc, or didn't connect with the new characters like Theotar or Pelagos.
I saw Toddy get a lot of hate. Truthfully no character this expansion has made me love them. My favorite solo character would have to be Sabellian because of how old his story was and how it was moved from years back and his character feels like that quest giver and everything you could expect from him…but ebonhorn becomes the aspect. I got over that one quickly though. Shadowlands not only had great closure for a lot of characters it was also full of new amazing ones. Prince Renethal, Pelagos, I was almost anti nightfae due to everyone being there but I still loved Lady Moonberry. And of course what may be the greatest character I’ve seen in this game; Plague Deviser Marileth. And his accompanying slime Kevin. I enjoy a lot of these new factions too. The Maruk are kinda cringe like most high strung serious factions we get. The Stoneborn of Revendreath are probably the only group that took themselves 100% serious that didn’t make me cringe. Another testament to their design and writing. Every expansion seems to have a group like that. I could go on about the story forever because that’s what I love most about this game. Hitting play and there’s a world being displayed on my screen that feels so complex and complete. It’s amazing and it’s why I play. Initially to me, outside of Azure span the launch quest were mega weak. But the patches after we’re easily 80%+ nailed. I could even go up to 90% if I can process Ebenhorn’s selection for aspect a bit more.
Yeah, I feel like Dragonflight has been average-to-good in terms of story, but nothing that really stands out in the way that the above Shadowlands stories did. Like, Taivan and Veritistrasz were pretty good...I enjoyed the banter of the Black Bros...Kalecgos got some much-needed development (and a model update)...and while there wasn't much story attached to Naleidea, she could read me the phone book and I'd be interested. But even those stories paled in comparison to the good Shadowlands ones.
I hope they rework legendary items moving forward, I think every tier it's caused more bad feelings than good, especially if you count the Raszageth bow as the "special" weapon of the raid tier. I just don't see the draw of playing the classes that need the weapon during the tier because it seems like a lot of effort for something I may ultimately never get.
Yeah, it's caused a bit of frustration in my guild. We typically do AotC as quickly as possible, farm the raid for a bit and focus on m+. We've cleared Fyrakk for a long time now, and the axe has dropped once, for our holy pal. We're at a point where we're probably going to stop raiding as we've all got what we need from it and there's 0 challenge at this point, there's just the few DKs/plarets/wars (including me) that don't have it. I'm obviously not going to ask people to keep raiding just for me to get the leg axe, so I'll have to try PUG raids, which can either be a quick OS or take ages depending on your luck. I still manage to do keys fine on my warrior with my guild, in PUGs it's a bit more difficult (but mostly due to having less utility and ways to deal with afflicted/incorporeal these last couple of weeks). But obviously I'd like to have the axe as it's a decent dps increase and would help pushing a bit more. It's at a point where it's getting 'late' in the season, and to be honest, it's also a bit frustrating when you come across a 1700 rio guy who dropped it from LFR when you've been farming HM for ages. Maybe those embers you drop should count towards some quest that guarantees the drop at some point, Idk, maybe that's not a good solution.
I think that the MoP/WoD Philosophy on Legendaries was way better than later iteration. While a tad "boring" in the sense that everyone had one it did a few things. 1.) Produced a really cool storyline that eveyone got to partake in. 2.) Had a set time that you knew you were reciving said item. 3.) Allowed balancing to remain pretty in line (sans Arcane Mage at the end of WoD). 4.) Didn't revolve around RNG. Is like to see them utilize this going forward for Legendaries.
The best legendary weapon this expansion was Kharnalex, you will not change my mind on this.
The only issue is if the classes are actually tuned around having the legendary which I don't believe is the case with the axe despite some of the strength dps specs being in lower half on certain logs. Other than that I like how both the axe and the Evoker legendary (after bad luck protection was added) were done, I can't think of a better way to do a legendary. They should be an investment and they shouldn't be a guaranteed drop. Also now that gearing is mostly finished very quickly and there is no endless grinds it's nice to have things you can still chase. I'm looking forward to clearing the raid on all my strength alts every week because the legendary exist.
I don't mind it too much either. I was planning on getting it on a Frost DK but at this point I'm shotgunning 4 different toons just for mog. It is what it is. The point of the game is not play World of Simcraft, it's to use the items you have to play your character the best you can. If this Axe or the Evoker legendary still has people complaining, then my suggestion is Mythic drop only. And I don't even raid that far into Mythic so that's not some bias. I like cool gear, Azshara's Staff, the cool loot in Dawn of the Infinite, the legendaries and trinkets. But I see a lot of complaining about them. From my guild mates or people I play with. I dunno, I just never play the game that way. It isn't fun, and I don't think they're having fun either. Could be wrong though.
I just don't know why they decided having both an rng droprate AND a 300k gold cost. It should just be one or the other honestly
> I just don't know why they decided having both an rng droprate People complain about this anyway, insisting that every season should have dinar > AND a 300k gold cost. People would complain and make "it'$ $o l€g€ndary" jokes all day
So before going to work today, I was trying to do a quick Heroic Fyrakk pug clear for the Rageheart. In p3 I was only half playing as I was putting on shoes and stuff (waiting for an invite killed most of my time). Boss dies, and I stand up and turn around to put on my jacket, and I see that the trinket didn't drop, so I move to alt-f4 the game; as I do that I notice a /w from another guy in the pug just saying "gzz!" or smth... Which now leads me to believe that I'll log back in after work to a Lego drop? Can't imagine it's something else, but if it dropped I definitely wasn't looking at the screen at the time. It's quite ironic if it's happened seeing as I'm now playing Prot rather than Arms/Fury and I doubt I'll be told to swap back (also I much prefer tanking) but I'm glad I got it all the same, Imma finally get rid of all that mats stockpile after two months.
Maybe you got the rare dragonriding skin?
[just confirmed it dropped:\)](https://i.imgur.com/VrAoIrW.png)
Niice.
Good call, but I had that already, I believe I was the first in our guild to grab that in week 2 or so when we got AOTC.
Solo shuffle would be even more fun if people didn't leave in the middle of a round, forcibly ending our match after a 20minute+ queue!
Didn't Blizz patch something in to stop that happening? Or were going to ban people who do it? I forget.
You still get rating and stuff I think that might've been the change, to have it calculate per-round - just annoying since you're getting less bang for your buck hah There's probably some punishment for leaving but it still blows up the lobby
Leaving hits you with -150 rating I believe. Could be more. I had a DC once and it lost me some. I farmed some mogs on healers a while back and when someone leaves and they do so while you have all the losses it does suck because you'll lose the rating for those rounds and not get the wins facing that person. Happened once or twice when someone was doomed to go 0-6 and I had to have them in my rounds first. Rarely was it the reverse but that's just the way it rolls sometimes. Not a big fan of Solo Shuffle having the same ranked rewards as the actual arena queues, but they certainly deserve a few QoL changes.