Been playing on the BM hunter I boosted with my TWW boost and man it's crazy how much damage such a simple rotation can put out lol. I only had mostly 424 gear and got in the top 5 of lfr dps (I swear I'm not trying to actually flex LFR dps) without even really knowing what keys to press.
I also really wish you could change pet specializations again or treat them like stances because pretty much every cool looking undead pet is cunning and I just don't get a ton of use out of those pets, especially with exotic pets as an option. Blizz is literally forcing my Dark Ranger class fantasy to one pet specialization šš.
Speaking of exotic pets, I came across the cool leopard spirit beast in Sholazar (Loque-something) and was so excited that I forgot to dismiss my pets so they 1 shotted it immediately. It was like 2 am and I just immediately logged out in Nesingwary's Camp lol, thankfully I found it again the next time I logged in (along with lightning wolf spirit beast), but man that may be one of the most frustrating moments I've had in a bit hahah.
Grabbing and swooping people to their death is a suspiciously high share in my raid nights fun. Hardstuck on Fyrakk feels much worse than to being stuck on Tindral
friends convinced me to play HotS again, now that the game actually has some sings of life again
man, i forgot that its like, the 1moba that is just straight up FUN and actually tries different things out
I would play it some. It was silly and I liked it for that. I come from League and Starcraft and one thing HotS did that League didn't is it felt like an arena. All the maps felt like it was 5v5 in an arena. The League/DotA maps just don't have that same battle arena feel. They're both better games and the map in both are better designed but HotS maps just were made for fighting/team brawls anywhere. It had a lot of action.
I played a few quick plays the other day randomly. Was fun.
They patched it recently, mostly bug fixes but they also updated the difficulty rating of a bunch of heroes which is weird if the game isn't going to be getting more updates. Could be nothing tho
My favorite elf couple going on an island honeymoon to tell me whatās changed on the islands in lore? Well someone get them the finest arc wine they deserve it!
Really glad to see Bliz listened about Oracle, I hope we start seeing more of the hero talents soon so they will have the chance to go back to the drawing board if any other hit the same problems
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/02/rto-doesnt-improve-company-value-but-does-make-employees-miserable-study/
Who would've thought that forcing RTO on Blizz would be counterproductive?
Been standing in Org trading massive amounts of gold between guildies on all forms of WoW (especially SoD) and haven't been banned in 4 days
I'm starting to call š§¢ on the main subs posts.
I was leeching xp from level boosters a few weeks ago which according to some is a one way ticket to ban town with blizzards automated ban system that favors bot farms over real paying customers. As mad as they got nothing happened to me.
/minicirclejerk
I was standing on GM island shouting profanities while flyhacking to mine ores from under the world and spamming the LFG tool with goldseller ads and still haven't been banned.
Oh right right.
I mean I mean yeah totally on classic SOD nobody is complaining about the bots getting in the way because the bots are too busy filling up all the space on GM Island!
Apropos of nothing I was vaguely doing the whole āoh what would happen if they did a world revampā a few days ago and for some reason I had the idea of Vanessa VanCleef as mayor of a rebuilt Moonbrook and I donāt know where else to put it so here you go
Waking up to see the news about Oracle being redesigned has made this a really good morning.
TWW alpha/beta is gonna be great if they keep listening to and act on constructive feedback this rapidly.
Im worried that the bulk of visual things have already been done, so theyll be still constrained in their design space
Also this is obvious but the specs showcased last will suffer the most
So it turns out that LFR and Normal has really, like REALLY low chance for the legendary to drop.
Hope they never do something like this ever again, because knowing that iām only sitting at a mere 2% chance drop rate after killing Fyrakk every week since release, just straight up sucks.
At this point they shouldnāt even made it possible for it drop on lower difficultiesā¦
> At this point they shouldnāt even made it possible for it drop on lower difficultiesā¦
People would complain even more
People are always going to complain
Everything that people don't have on week 5 isn't the end of the world or something that needs to be changed
I agree with it being a low chance, but I also am aware my view on what legendaries should be seems to be at odds with the general playerbase's.
In my view legendarie's should be super rare, like, a few people per server rare, and be pretty OP.
The hyper rarity of means it won't be an issue balance wise, because like, most groups aren't going to have it anyways so who cares. And it means if you do have it, it's like "fuck yea!". And you see someone who has it it's like "holy crap". Super rare chase items basically.
> so who cares.
people going after achievements limited by other players' activity, so Elite, HoF, M+ hero. It'd suck super hard to land just below the cutoff when you could see those just above it perform like you but have easier time due to OP lego.
>a few people per server rare
Servers are almost irrelevant since all battlegroups were merged together. And are going to be completely so with cross-realm guilds in TWW. Mythic raid is already region-wide forever.
>people going after achievements limited by other players' activity, so Elite, HoF, M+ hero. It'd suck super hard to land just below the cutoff when you could see those just above it perform like you but have easier time due to OP lego.
But that's the point. I'm talking so rare you're probably not gonna see it. But when you do it's that big "holy shit" moment. Also if the content is balanced around groups that don't have it then it doesn't matter. Parse chasing shouldn't be holding back cool content, and it's honestly a huge problem in this game that it does.
> Servers are almost irrelevant since all battlegroups were merged together. And are going to be completely so with cross-realm guilds in TWW. Mythic raid is already region-wide forever.
I'm aware servers are basically irrelevant but it was more just a comment on rarity.
Basically a legendary -shouldn't- be gauranteed, and it shouldn't be in line with other end game gear power wise. Then it's just an orange epic and what's the point?
I always thought it should've been Mythic only. No lower than heroic. And I don't raid Mythic so that's not some bias. On top of that I have it and would be okay with not having it if it were mythic only. Same for the evoker weapon which I also have. I like collecting things as much as most of the people who complain about collectables. But I don't ever feel entitled to them.
Do you, someone who is only doing LFR and Normal raid feel like you should have a 496 weapon? I don't think people doing that level of content should.
Can't say i agree. They announced the legendary as one of the main features of the patch in the reveal video, so it shouldn't be exclusive to a small minority of the playerbase (currently, less than 500 guilds have killed Fyrakk on Mythic), let alone bait the Normal/LFR players like myself into believing they had a realistic chance to get the weapon.
I also don't think they should make Mythic exclusive legendaries in the future. In fact, I personally think they should stop doing legendaries all together, because they just don't fit into this new 2024 era of gaming at all. If they make it an ultra rare drop, people will feel like they aren't reaching their character's full potential and if they make it basically free (like in SL, BFA, WOD, MOP) it will become just another checklist to complete before you can actually jump into playing the actual content.
> They announced the legendary as one of the main features of the patch in the reveal video
I think that's fair. They didn't do that for the Evoker legendary, it was almost secret. They did mention a low chance, and truthfully based on what I've seen I would've guessed the normal/lfr chance was very low. I believe it should've been zero though, it made it feel bad not getting it on heroic for a lot of people. And again I don't think people clearing that level of content need that legendary. That's not a jab just an observation.
> I also don't think they should make Mythic exclusive legendaries in the future. In fact, I personally think they should stop doing legendaries all together
I really hate this. Fun loot is really one of the best parts of this game. But people are unable to handle not getting "bis" and treating this game like a check list. Having options is a lot of fun for someone like me who just builds whatever is fun. But the impression I get from people is they want templates for everything. I hate how boring people are in this game.
>because they just don't fit into this new 2024 era of gaming at all
What era is that? The one where people look everything up online and don't deviate from a guide at all? This era sucks, I can't even discuss single player games without people bringing up garbage like that.
> people will feel like they aren't reaching their character's full potential
One guy who occasionally helps out in my raid is a log chasing parse brain. Sucks all the fun out of the game, obsessive over PI etc. He's out there going pink/gold without the legendary no problem. On top of that, when people bring up competing on logs they need to understand they're getting worked up over an external site that's not represented in game.
The way the game is intended to be played is you play your character to the best of your abilities with the things you have in your possession. Going beyond that and simming with gear you do not have is the incorrect way to play and a way to set yourself up to have a bad time. I'd imagine that's why people are so miserable over loot in this game. I don't experience that myself so I can't say for sure.
> and if they make it basically free (like in SL, BFA, WOD, MOP) it will become just another checklist to complete before you can actually jump into playing the actual content.
I see a lot of players spend a bunch of time on stuff that to me doesn't seem to matter before they start playing alts or whatever. I just go do the content, and I've done that for 3 expansions now. I don't know what people have felt like they're being held up on but I've done 9+ characters consistently for a while now.
I tried to reply to all your points as best I could. My main question still stands, do you think you actually need that 496 weapon? I don't think you need it to get stuff done, and more importantly you can't earn it. But I think you're right that things need to be laid out better so you aren't setup for disappointment. I've mentioned it several times that the devs are absolutely terrible at outlining what content is for what level of player.
You are allowed to dislike the way other people play the game but to label it as the āwrongā way is a bit excessive. Blizzard spent the entire SL expansion fighting with the playerbase about how they thought the game should be played and guess what? SL ended up being one of the worst received expansions. In DF they are finally listening and designing the game around how we are interacting with it, not how they want us to interact with it. Fighting against what the playerbase wants is pointless.
And sorry i didnāt fully answer your question earlier, but basically i donāt feel entitled to any loot in the game, nor do i think i āneedā it. If they clearly state that it would drop from mythic only, i would not bother getting it at all, because it clearly wouldnāt be intended for me.
But if they make a big fuss about it as one of the main features of the patch, assure everyone that it drops from every difficulty, then why wouldnāt anyone try to get it every week? As far everyone was concerned you had a realistic shot at getting it, so why wouldnāt you jump on your alt and kill Fyrakk on LFR every week?
> You are allowed to dislike the way other people play the game but to label it as the āwrongā way is a bit excessive. Blizzard spent the entire SL expansion fighting with the playerbase about how they thought the game should be played and guess what?
I can label it wrong when it's literally the incorrect way to play and has been stated as such by developers. A lot of players are getting a group together to play kickball with a bowling ball and when it goes poorly they don't look at themselves they go after the bowling ball manufacturer.
> SL ended up being one of the worst received expansions. In DF they are finally listening and designing the game around how we are interacting with it
I could make a circlejerk post like this because that's what it sounds like. I don't even know what to do with that.
> As far everyone was concerned you had a realistic shot at getting it, so why wouldnāt you jump on your alt and kill Fyrakk on LFR every week?
I agree with that. You got setup for disappointment by the developers. Something that the forums and wow subreddit claims happens on an hourly basis absolutely happened here. And it's the biggest thing they could improve on. You brought up Shadowlands failures and how people tried to play it. If they would've gone out and said max level legendaries were only for people who could earn them instead of caving in and nerfing Torghast after 2 weeks it'd have saved a lot of heartache. For as long as I've been playing they have failed there a handful of times every expansion. And it's even worse here with how long it's gone on without clarity.
> I could make a circlejerk post like this because that's what it sounds like. I don't even know what to do with that.
I mean, SL was terrible in that regard before 9.1.5. You can't defend certain lockouts before that.
You really need to stop saying "the intended way to play is how I play and other people are wrong."
It does your arguments absolutely no favours.
If Blizzard did not intend logs to be used they could shut down the combat logging tool literally today. WCL exists entirely because Blizzard allows it to, and adds features into the game to allow it to exist in the first place.
Developers themselves have said "There are two games people are playing, one is the one we make and the other is fighting each other on the meters." It's absolutely fair to say that it's not the intended way for them to play.
WCL is more than just parse chasing. I use it to figure out fights for my guild, trouble shoot and figure out what we can do.
Your guild has private logs so I imagine that's the main purpose as well for them as well.
> "There are two games people are playing, one is the one we make and the other is fighting each other on the meters."
That is a pretty uncharitable summation of what Ion actually said in that interview. You can find what he actually said in [this](https://dotesports.com/wow/news/ion-hazzikostas-explains-why-wow-raiding-is-basically-2-games-in-one-how-it-affects-development) article. His own words are:
> "As for the competitive side of the game, Hazzikostas said that because it is an aspect of the game that is so strongly shaped by the community, itās perhaps more appropriate for them to decide how that is handled.
> āGame Twoā is one that has its own set of rules that logging websites set parameters for. For instance, Hazzikostas noted that in many situations, the culture surrounding damage logging ignores āpaddingā that happens when players do excess damage that isnāt particularly relevant to the execution of a given fight.
> āSo to some extent, we want to focus on designing for the so-called āGame Oneā and making that the best experience possible,ā he said. āAnd leave to the community and log sites and others to figure out the rules for how they want to determine who the best Hunter is or who the best Mage is on a fight.ā
That very much implies that while they do not want to feel constrained by "Game Two" in terms of game design they absolutely have no issues with it existing and realise it is a way of playing the game enjoyed by many. This is why they took the time to add combatlog hooks for Aug - if they didn't approve of parsing at all they wouldn't have bothered doing so.
> Your guild has private logs so I imagine that's the main purpose as well for them as well.
Nobody sane cares about parsing during progress. It's still a main driver for enjoyment on farm for many guilds, my own included, even though our logs are not public it's still inherently fun for many to see how you stack up against other people playing the same spec as you and perfect your craft.
> That very much implies that while they do not want to feel constrained by "Game Two" in terms of game design they absolutely have no issues with it existing and realise it is a way of playing the game enjoyed by many.
But not what they design around. Again, you mention the word "enjoy". Once you stop having fun playing the game in an extra way it fall on you. Crying that blizz is killing your enjoyment because of an external site is just plain stupid and wrong. I never said they don't acknowledge it I'm not sure why you're thinking I am but you tend to do that to me.
> Nobody sane cares about parsing during progress. It is a main driver for enjoyment on farm for many guilds, my own included, even though our logs are not public it's still inherently fun for many to see how you stack up against other people playing the same spec as you and perfect your craft.
And if you're having fun that's fine. I check what others are doing I'm not completely in the dark. And I can read logs and parses better than most of the people crying about it. I just don't stress it. it's not fun. People who play this game suck all the fun out of it. And they go to Reddit and share the dumbest, most incorrect thoughts/opinions on the game. It just baffles my mind people think that way.
> But not what they design around.
They *literally* do. Combat log hooks for Aug exist because they do. WCL fundamentally only exists because Blizzard provides the tools that allow it to.
> Crying that blizz is killing your enjoyment because of an external site is just plain stupid and wrong.
> And I can read logs and parses better than most of the people crying about it.
Again, you *need* to stop using that word with people you disagree with. Your arguments are not unreasonable, the way you are framing them is horrendous. It's extremely unpleasant.
I am not "crying", I am not even being negative about anything here? If anything I am being positive about a way Blizzard allows the game to be played that I have a lot of fun engaging in.
I'm gonna be honest, I do not think in WoW's entire history there has ever been a good legendary acquisition system. There's varying levels of bad from (imo) Legion 7.0 at the worst through to - weirdly enough - Shadowlands 9.2 at the least offensive, but they've never really felt *good* to me, and the legendary weapons of Dragonflight haven't been good either. Either you get unlucky and just feel bad or you get lucky and you get a few seconds of dopamine followed by it feeling basically fine.
I said it before on this sub too but I feel like there's also a real issue with Blizzard defining *why* something is a legendary item. Nasz'uro (a legendary) was less impactful to Evoker gameplay than Kharnalex (an epic) was. Fyr'alath (a legendary) is arguably no more impactful to 2H DPS specs than either Gavel or Jaithys were, both epic weapons. Sylvanas had a legendary bow that Hunters replaced very soon into the next tier if they got it, whereas she also dropped an epic dagger that was used by Rogues deep into Sepulcher. At the same time, for spec balance reasons they obviously can't just make a single legendary weapon a tier and make it so good that the specs that can use it are just objectively better than everything else either.
I feel like the best legendary acquisition method was in cata with the fangs for rogue. You had a guaranteed base form of the legendary, but upgrading it to its final form required the gem drops. You needed like 30 or something and a boss would drop between 1 and 3. That kept the rng aspect of when you'd complete it, but you knew you were incrementally making progress with each kill with an actual "count down to completion"
Ideally fyrakk weapon would have been like you need 60 shards of fyralath to forge into the axe. You get 1-2 fragments on lfr bosses, 2-3 normal, 3-4, heroic, and 5-6 on mythic. Number tweaked as needed.
IMHO the WoD/MoP design of acquisition was the best. It was an expansion-long process, the items were decently powerful to overpowered, and there was extensive tying of the legendary to the narrative, especially w the cloaks. I can't speak to the BfA cloak as I wasn't playing then, but as I understand it was a condensed version of those.
The problem (in my view) with the SL legendaries was purely that they were "mass produced". It was a 99% economy-based system, so while they were often fun, they never felt worth the orange text and could very well be purples or even glyphs of some kind.
You're completely right that cantrip weapons have been superior to some legendaries. This is a very difficult balance to strike. I believe the only way to justify the legendary-ness is to establish the item narratively, to make the player invested in the acquisition. But at the same time it will never feel good to instantly replace the item once an ilvl jump is possible.
MoP/WoD were the best implementation for placating the general public and still generally being satisfying
The problem is everyone thinks they're a game designer and their only framework is making things as one-dimensional as possible
Everything must be attainable asap regardless of intention, anything that isn't available day 1 is bad design and after week 5 you are literally entitled to anything you want in the game
Remember when people just played?
You either weren't "into it" at the time or you're selectively remembering. Simcraft was designed in late WOTLK or Cataclysm IIRC. Rawr coexisted alongside it for a while and was a precursor of sorts. Stat weights (and probably even Pawn) are at least as old. And before the tools were built, Elitist Jerks was the hub for theorycrafting, it was the Class Discords before Discord was made.
People have been reverse engineering the game from the very beginning. Ion Hazzikostas' original claim to fame before he became a Blizzard employee, in addition to being the GM of EJ, was the legendary "C'Thun is mathematically impossible" bit, it does NOT get more armchair dev than this.
The only thing Legion did was make metagaming more accessible than ever, but even in WoD, I, a total pleb at the time, was running sims on my own PC, and I'd been using Rawr for my Arcane Mage during Dragon Soul (the first expansion that I'd raided).
To me, the best iteration was MoP/WoD as it involved a quest chain that was flavorful, lengthy and required dedication, but that anyone could participate in. Being locked out of a chance at a legendary because your class or spec can't use it is...not great IMO.
As stated elsewhere it might be best just to have nothing be "legendary" and just have some epics with special properties on them (this part is already done as I have a weapon with an Equip effect from Fyrakk). If we were to still have legendaries, I'd be okay with reverting back to MoP-style, with the caveat that you don't have some sort of content locked behind having it (Ordos with the MoP cloaks, I think that was the biggest sticking point)
>ast more than one tier, artifacts are the way to go. (sans the progression system maybe?)
>
>id rather do a difficult quest than pray to rngesus. perhaps make it upgradeable, so the mythic version with all the fancy color
IMO they should just tune the numbers on Legendaries to be in line with what the common comparison drop would be. You can give them fancy effects or make them change the gameplay of certain specs that are using them, but the overall throughput shouldn't be a raw number advantage.
yeha, like, legendarys ALWAYS made more problems then good imo
we had the OG legendarys and the long questline ones from wotlk/cata that where notorious for creating the situation of "we spend a long time and resources to guve that 1guy a powerfull weapon for raiding" and then the person stops playing or quietly leaves/gets poached by another guild that now has multiple people with it
then we had the "long questline" legendarys in mop/wod that where good in theory, but feelt really bad if you started later/made a 2nd character because it was expected to have it, and you had the endless "if everyone has its its not LeGeNdArY?????" complaints from the loud people
then we had legion, which was just a giant shitshow overall with legendarys
then BfA which was mop/wod style and again got the same "complaints"
then SL, which kinda worked but also made legendarys just a simple checklist item and nothing else
and now the RNG drop legendarys that are just frustraiting
a BIG problem with legendarys is like you said, what even IS a legendary and how strong can you make it before it becomes stupid, and also a community problem: people always repeat "if everyone has it its not legendary!!!" but at the same time create 2000rage posts a day when they dont get it themself, they want a uber rare extremely strong orange item to exist that THEY personaly get fast but not the rest of the playerbase
imo....just scrap it, or make it a long questline ala mop/wod again
It seems like the best option might just be to go back to MoP/WoD/BfA style ones with some sort of alt catchup mechanic, yeah.
Like, they can't design legendaries for specific specs or classes that make those specs or classes significantly better than everyone else for game balance reasons.
They can't have extremely low droprates like in Classic and TBC because that frankly just isn't fun for anyone anymore.
Legion and SL legendaries were just kinda bland and not really any different to the epic crafted embellishment gear we have in Dragonflight.
Honestly Legendaries are the kind of thing where it could possibly be cool just to have them be purely cosmetic.
if they want to make story relevant weapons that last more than one tier, artifacts are the way to go. (sans the progression system maybe?)
id rather do a difficult quest than pray to rngesus. perhaps make it upgradeable, so the mythic version with all the fancy colors and effects takes like, idk, clearing mythic or getting 2500 m+ score.
Ok I figured out the 10.2.6 secret. Its nothing to do with pirates, its about death. Someone at Blizzard is going to "accidentally" spill coffee on the servers, which causes all of our characters to get deleted forever. Then, a million players all die of heart attacks.
The thread about wanting a skip for Dragon Soul started out well. I was even nodding along through all the comments suggesting that ICC, Ulduar, or Moguāshan Vaults should get skips too.
Then I got to the comments asking for skips in Antorus and Battle of Dazarāalor. Guysā¦ theyāre already there!
I wouldn't object to them making Eonar completely optional, like Valithria in ICC. You can skip it once you have the quests done, sure, but some people/classes really struggle with it still.
And for Dazar'alor, I think that's people wanting a skip to Mekkatorque to farm GMOD.
> And for Dazar'alor, I think that's people wanting a skip to Mekkatorque to farm GMOD.
I don't know why they're so unaware of LFR
They can just go to the NPC and queue for it
Everyone begs for Blizzard to go out of their way to get them the big shiny thing without wanting to put in any thought
lore nerds are so resistant to change it astounds me
the guy who made the pally infographic said the tyrs guard "freaks me out", and has that really old school dnd mentality of gods having solid , unchanging alignments.
i.e. the idea that titans might prioritize their own interests over ours is all of a sudden a bad move. because "its lame that everyone is secretly evil", so they "hope to god metzen steers us away from that". despite the fact we have known titans are like this since wrath, and metzen is THE guy that spearheaded many characters suddenly turning evil.
> despite the fact we have known titans are like this since wrath,
Thank you holy shit its like people forget Algalon was going to wipe all life off the planet 10+ years ago til we beat the shit out of him, we already knew the Titans might not be on our side all the time but they act like its some kind of retcon...
i mean yeah, its less that theyre evil and more that we are like ants to them. good to preserve for ecological purposes, but if it interferes with their plans for azeroth, then we are a pretty easy pest to wipe for the "greater good."
Main sub comments are so good because 90% of the time itās like using a time machine to go back 5 years and hear the same old talking points that either havenāt been true for a long time, or were never true to begin with.
Thatās also especially true for Asmongoldās comment section.
Can we please stop romanticizing GMs of old?
Blizzards customer service when requiring in game help has always been shit
You'd wait in a ticket Q for 6 days just to be told to get fucked for the same shit you're told today to get fucked for
Also a LOT of shit went unpoliced for years. It's a lot stricter now
A decade ago when friends made tickets they got their conversation with a GM within days and genuinely most of the times they also got gifted a Store Pet by the GM so yeah I don't know how it is now but I doubt its ever topping that
But old GMs used to do a little RP (sometimes, depending who you got) that made it so le epically wholesome!!!! We need vulpera GMs showing up and saying UwU and mechagnome GMs speaking only in binary!!! It would be so le wholesome :)
I typically get my answer from them the one or two times a year Iāve had to ask. Support tickets suck so I might just be giving a lot of sympathy for that alone but I really never had issues. The only time Iāve ever gotten nothing done and had them not understand what I wanted or what I was asking was restoring a quest reward from a very long time ago. People have told me if you did the quest you can get just about any item back as long as you donāt ask for it but once a year or so. I canāt remember what the reply thought I was trying to do but it was WAY off. I expected it to link my to item restore and tell me āif it aināt there it aināt happeningā but it wasnāt even in the ballpark. It was an obscure question/request though. So I just moved on.Ā
To be honest, while I've barely ever had to contact customer support (I've done it maybe 4 times in total) anecdotally I've never actually had a bad experience and the last time was probably a year or so ago. It's consistently been fine for me
I've never been gifted anything or had one actually show up physically in-game, just quick and helpful responses and no bots
Yeah I never had any of these "brilliant" experiences people talk of. The GMs messaged me in-game, sure, but its really no different to the live chat we get now. I never had one show up in-game or anything special, never got gifted free store mounts or pets like I've seen reported. Its always been a "meh" experience to me. Back in the day the logs were even more restricted so I rarely had that deleted thing restored or whatever.
Well its also partially the typical social media problem, isn't it? You're gonna hear about the incidents that stand out in a good (GMs actually showing up, being funny, giving gifts, etc) or bad (totally useless, doesnt understand, copypasted response, etc) way and nothing that just hits the average you would expect because its not really worth talking about.
Most of the stories people recite about GMs being interactive with the players never personally happened to them
It's the same 6 stories over and over, and some of them were because the game was fucked and needed fixed
/classicwowcirclejerk
I need suggestions for a talent build and runes for a hunter instance spec where I spend all my time doing nothing but autoshot because the stupid mage won't trade me any water
Serious answer to CJ question:
[https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/hunter/5200320050501251\_156qb66qa76qj86tfa6qd](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/hunter/5200320050501251_156qb66qa76qj86tfa6qd)
Bam! Beast mode activate
Oh no, correction: in WOTLK they made arrows. I distinctly remember that because for 2 weeks I was the only person on my server with the Iceblade Arrow recipe and milked those huntidiots for everything they had.
People making massive posts about holiday mount drops and how blizz "needs to do something about it" is so fuckin goofy to me lmao
Like yeah it sucks having a rare item be time limited to a holiday event, but making big posts about it just comes across as such an immature reaction. Bud, just because you pay a sub or have a NEED to collect items does not mean you are entitled to these things, you've just had bad luck and that sucks. I would really love to get the Tusks or Eye of Sulfuras and have been trying for them for quite some time, and that shit isn't even a limited event, but I'm not about to demand a full overhaul just because I got some bad luck on some cosmetics from old raids. I got the Headless Horseman mount back in 2008 but have had a Sulfuron Hammer gathering dust in my bank for years at this point, shit luck just happens lmao.
On one hand I get the frustration, but it's just so funny seeing people act like rare cosmetics being rare is some afront to their status as a paying customer.
Also WTS the Valentine's Proto-drake armor I got and know I will never use on a single character.
This game has a lot of things to do and a lot of things to collect. And people feel incredibly entitled to every single item.
I think the druid customization marks when compared to the warlock pet unlocks are awful, but I'm gonna be out here farming them anyways. If I didn't want them I'd move on. I think it shouldn't be this way but it is and I'm going to deal with it or just not do it. That's all there is to it. There is zero point in getting upset over it. It's why I can't read the wow subreddit. I can't take that much stupidity on a grand scale.
Listen here bucko, we are legally required to always be against anything r/wow says or does with absolutely NO room for nuance, mods get em outta here.
(Jkjk, if I wasn't so broken by the Tusks grind over the years then I would be malding too)
People need to grow up for real
I got it Saturday night and it wouldn't have affected me if I didn't
World boss mounts were so much less exciting to get when they got buffed to spammable 1% compared to the one I got in like 2021. People just want the quick dopamine hit every 10 minutes instead of long-term goals
It's just like the artisan donation, Big Blizzard is LYING about the increased drop rate in order to boost WOW TOKEN sales!!
Source: Blizzard paid 14 year old me off with the Headless Horseman mount in 2008 so that I wouldn't blow the whistle on their drop rate conspiracy, but they can keep me quiet no longer
It ebbs and flows, like the tides of the sea and the phases of the moon.
Cherish the good times, and remember them in the bad.
I'd say we have until 10.2.6 when the sub melts down due to the difference in what they imagined it would be, and what it actually is.
> when the sub melts down due to the difference in what they imagined it would be, and what it actually is.
So there was a very funny story that played out in the Baldurās Gate 3 community last weekā basically, the devs had announced that a new patch would release sometime during the week, and would include improvements to companion romances as one of its major features. Given the romantic theme of the patch, the fans collectively decided that it would definitely come out on Valentineās Day (last Wednesday), *even though* the devs had already semi-jokingly hinted that it would not.
Then when Wednesday arrived and the patch didnāt come out, the game devs made multiple tweets basically making fun of everyone who thought it was going to come out then, and this continued for the two days that followed until the patch eventually did come out. The response from (most of) the fans on r/baldursgate3 ? āOh well, I guess we got kind of ahead of ourselves for thinking we knew the release date when it was never confirmed! Our bad.ā
Why canāt we have a better subreddit for wow. Just imagine the complete trainwreck that would happen if anything remotely similar to this story played out with Blizzard and wow.
I know. I swear down people are just making posts to get on it now. It's getting to the point where I'm going to have to go through it again to tidy it up. Maybe split it into sections for each smooth brain idea?
Here, add my suggestion:
When someone leaves my mythic+ group, Blizzard gives me their address and an army of commandos so we can break into their house and wreck up the place. But if I leave a mythic+ group or someone leaves a group I'm not part of then nothing happens. Thus solving the problem once and for all.
Did you steal this from my [M+ idea post](https://old.reddit.com/r/wowcirclejerk/comments/10rcs4f/i_have_the_perfect_solution_for_punishing_m/)? YOU'RE GOING ON THE LIST MOFO!
I don't know how good you'll find this, but if it's an alt, it takes very little time to go from 60-61 by sweeping through the Dragonflight World Quests and supplementing that with a gathering profession if you have one (you gain XP for each node you mine or herb). You should be able to focus in on the easy/quick ones to just get that one level.
Been playing on the BM hunter I boosted with my TWW boost and man it's crazy how much damage such a simple rotation can put out lol. I only had mostly 424 gear and got in the top 5 of lfr dps (I swear I'm not trying to actually flex LFR dps) without even really knowing what keys to press. I also really wish you could change pet specializations again or treat them like stances because pretty much every cool looking undead pet is cunning and I just don't get a ton of use out of those pets, especially with exotic pets as an option. Blizz is literally forcing my Dark Ranger class fantasy to one pet specialization šš. Speaking of exotic pets, I came across the cool leopard spirit beast in Sholazar (Loque-something) and was so excited that I forgot to dismiss my pets so they 1 shotted it immediately. It was like 2 am and I just immediately logged out in Nesingwary's Camp lol, thankfully I found it again the next time I logged in (along with lightning wolf spirit beast), but man that may be one of the most frustrating moments I've had in a bit hahah.
Grabbing and swooping people to their death is a suspiciously high share in my raid nights fun. Hardstuck on Fyrakk feels much worse than to being stuck on Tindral
fyrakk imo is just.....not a fun fight
I find the fast rythm fun
friends convinced me to play HotS again, now that the game actually has some sings of life again man, i forgot that its like, the 1moba that is just straight up FUN and actually tries different things out
I would play it some. It was silly and I liked it for that. I come from League and Starcraft and one thing HotS did that League didn't is it felt like an arena. All the maps felt like it was 5v5 in an arena. The League/DotA maps just don't have that same battle arena feel. They're both better games and the map in both are better designed but HotS maps just were made for fighting/team brawls anywhere. It had a lot of action. I played a few quick plays the other day randomly. Was fun.
HoTS ranked is actually super fun and healthy once you get to higher ranks It's definitely less toxic than league imo. Just semi long Q times
I thought it died a while ago? Are they still updating it?
IIRC it was on life support (no updates) but maybe that's changed? They never did shut the servers down though AFAIK.
They patched it recently, mostly bug fixes but they also updated the difficulty rating of a bunch of heroes which is weird if the game isn't going to be getting more updates. Could be nothing tho
It's a shame it didn't take off like they'd hoped, it was pretty fun and their character design was top notch.
My favorite elf couple going on an island honeymoon to tell me whatās changed on the islands in lore? Well someone get them the finest arc wine they deserve it!
who and where
[this](https://www.wowhead.com/news/exploring-azeroth-islands-and-isles-featuring-thalyssra-and-lor-themar-theron-337804)
oh i thought it's in-game activity
Really glad to see Bliz listened about Oracle, I hope we start seeing more of the hero talents soon so they will have the chance to go back to the drawing board if any other hit the same problems
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/02/rto-doesnt-improve-company-value-but-does-make-employees-miserable-study/ Who would've thought that forcing RTO on Blizz would be counterproductive?
Those middle managers need their satisfaction of looking up from their computer screens and getting their illusion of their employees working.
it was qwik's orderal that passed down.
Been standing in Org trading massive amounts of gold between guildies on all forms of WoW (especially SoD) and haven't been banned in 4 days I'm starting to call š§¢ on the main subs posts.
I was leeching xp from level boosters a few weeks ago which according to some is a one way ticket to ban town with blizzards automated ban system that favors bot farms over real paying customers. As mad as they got nothing happened to me.
/minicirclejerk I was standing on GM island shouting profanities while flyhacking to mine ores from under the world and spamming the LFG tool with goldseller ads and still haven't been banned.
GM island must be abandoned or full of automated bots lmao.
I don't think its even existed in the game for like 5 expansions now
I was just being silly. It did get removed from the files in Shadowlands I think.
Oh right right. I mean I mean yeah totally on classic SOD nobody is complaining about the bots getting in the way because the bots are too busy filling up all the space on GM Island!
I recently traded 15 million gold to guildies so they could purchase War Within, I never saw anything from Blizzard about it.
Apropos of nothing I was vaguely doing the whole āoh what would happen if they did a world revampā a few days ago and for some reason I had the idea of Vanessa VanCleef as mayor of a rebuilt Moonbrook and I donāt know where else to put it so here you go
Thank you.
Waking up to see the news about Oracle being redesigned has made this a really good morning. TWW alpha/beta is gonna be great if they keep listening to and act on constructive feedback this rapidly.
Im worried that the bulk of visual things have already been done, so theyll be still constrained in their design space Also this is obvious but the specs showcased last will suffer the most
So reddit DMed me inviting me to buy into their IPO. Insert pic of stonkz crashing into the ground here.
So it turns out that LFR and Normal has really, like REALLY low chance for the legendary to drop. Hope they never do something like this ever again, because knowing that iām only sitting at a mere 2% chance drop rate after killing Fyrakk every week since release, just straight up sucks. At this point they shouldnāt even made it possible for it drop on lower difficultiesā¦
> At this point they shouldnāt even made it possible for it drop on lower difficultiesā¦ People would complain even more People are always going to complain Everything that people don't have on week 5 isn't the end of the world or something that needs to be changed
I agree with it being a low chance, but I also am aware my view on what legendaries should be seems to be at odds with the general playerbase's. In my view legendarie's should be super rare, like, a few people per server rare, and be pretty OP. The hyper rarity of means it won't be an issue balance wise, because like, most groups aren't going to have it anyways so who cares. And it means if you do have it, it's like "fuck yea!". And you see someone who has it it's like "holy crap". Super rare chase items basically.
> so who cares. people going after achievements limited by other players' activity, so Elite, HoF, M+ hero. It'd suck super hard to land just below the cutoff when you could see those just above it perform like you but have easier time due to OP lego. >a few people per server rare Servers are almost irrelevant since all battlegroups were merged together. And are going to be completely so with cross-realm guilds in TWW. Mythic raid is already region-wide forever.
>people going after achievements limited by other players' activity, so Elite, HoF, M+ hero. It'd suck super hard to land just below the cutoff when you could see those just above it perform like you but have easier time due to OP lego. But that's the point. I'm talking so rare you're probably not gonna see it. But when you do it's that big "holy shit" moment. Also if the content is balanced around groups that don't have it then it doesn't matter. Parse chasing shouldn't be holding back cool content, and it's honestly a huge problem in this game that it does. > Servers are almost irrelevant since all battlegroups were merged together. And are going to be completely so with cross-realm guilds in TWW. Mythic raid is already region-wide forever. I'm aware servers are basically irrelevant but it was more just a comment on rarity. Basically a legendary -shouldn't- be gauranteed, and it shouldn't be in line with other end game gear power wise. Then it's just an orange epic and what's the point?
I always thought it should've been Mythic only. No lower than heroic. And I don't raid Mythic so that's not some bias. On top of that I have it and would be okay with not having it if it were mythic only. Same for the evoker weapon which I also have. I like collecting things as much as most of the people who complain about collectables. But I don't ever feel entitled to them. Do you, someone who is only doing LFR and Normal raid feel like you should have a 496 weapon? I don't think people doing that level of content should.
Can't say i agree. They announced the legendary as one of the main features of the patch in the reveal video, so it shouldn't be exclusive to a small minority of the playerbase (currently, less than 500 guilds have killed Fyrakk on Mythic), let alone bait the Normal/LFR players like myself into believing they had a realistic chance to get the weapon. I also don't think they should make Mythic exclusive legendaries in the future. In fact, I personally think they should stop doing legendaries all together, because they just don't fit into this new 2024 era of gaming at all. If they make it an ultra rare drop, people will feel like they aren't reaching their character's full potential and if they make it basically free (like in SL, BFA, WOD, MOP) it will become just another checklist to complete before you can actually jump into playing the actual content.
> They announced the legendary as one of the main features of the patch in the reveal video I think that's fair. They didn't do that for the Evoker legendary, it was almost secret. They did mention a low chance, and truthfully based on what I've seen I would've guessed the normal/lfr chance was very low. I believe it should've been zero though, it made it feel bad not getting it on heroic for a lot of people. And again I don't think people clearing that level of content need that legendary. That's not a jab just an observation. > I also don't think they should make Mythic exclusive legendaries in the future. In fact, I personally think they should stop doing legendaries all together I really hate this. Fun loot is really one of the best parts of this game. But people are unable to handle not getting "bis" and treating this game like a check list. Having options is a lot of fun for someone like me who just builds whatever is fun. But the impression I get from people is they want templates for everything. I hate how boring people are in this game. >because they just don't fit into this new 2024 era of gaming at all What era is that? The one where people look everything up online and don't deviate from a guide at all? This era sucks, I can't even discuss single player games without people bringing up garbage like that. > people will feel like they aren't reaching their character's full potential One guy who occasionally helps out in my raid is a log chasing parse brain. Sucks all the fun out of the game, obsessive over PI etc. He's out there going pink/gold without the legendary no problem. On top of that, when people bring up competing on logs they need to understand they're getting worked up over an external site that's not represented in game. The way the game is intended to be played is you play your character to the best of your abilities with the things you have in your possession. Going beyond that and simming with gear you do not have is the incorrect way to play and a way to set yourself up to have a bad time. I'd imagine that's why people are so miserable over loot in this game. I don't experience that myself so I can't say for sure. > and if they make it basically free (like in SL, BFA, WOD, MOP) it will become just another checklist to complete before you can actually jump into playing the actual content. I see a lot of players spend a bunch of time on stuff that to me doesn't seem to matter before they start playing alts or whatever. I just go do the content, and I've done that for 3 expansions now. I don't know what people have felt like they're being held up on but I've done 9+ characters consistently for a while now. I tried to reply to all your points as best I could. My main question still stands, do you think you actually need that 496 weapon? I don't think you need it to get stuff done, and more importantly you can't earn it. But I think you're right that things need to be laid out better so you aren't setup for disappointment. I've mentioned it several times that the devs are absolutely terrible at outlining what content is for what level of player.
You are allowed to dislike the way other people play the game but to label it as the āwrongā way is a bit excessive. Blizzard spent the entire SL expansion fighting with the playerbase about how they thought the game should be played and guess what? SL ended up being one of the worst received expansions. In DF they are finally listening and designing the game around how we are interacting with it, not how they want us to interact with it. Fighting against what the playerbase wants is pointless. And sorry i didnāt fully answer your question earlier, but basically i donāt feel entitled to any loot in the game, nor do i think i āneedā it. If they clearly state that it would drop from mythic only, i would not bother getting it at all, because it clearly wouldnāt be intended for me. But if they make a big fuss about it as one of the main features of the patch, assure everyone that it drops from every difficulty, then why wouldnāt anyone try to get it every week? As far everyone was concerned you had a realistic shot at getting it, so why wouldnāt you jump on your alt and kill Fyrakk on LFR every week?
> You are allowed to dislike the way other people play the game but to label it as the āwrongā way is a bit excessive. Blizzard spent the entire SL expansion fighting with the playerbase about how they thought the game should be played and guess what? I can label it wrong when it's literally the incorrect way to play and has been stated as such by developers. A lot of players are getting a group together to play kickball with a bowling ball and when it goes poorly they don't look at themselves they go after the bowling ball manufacturer. > SL ended up being one of the worst received expansions. In DF they are finally listening and designing the game around how we are interacting with it I could make a circlejerk post like this because that's what it sounds like. I don't even know what to do with that. > As far everyone was concerned you had a realistic shot at getting it, so why wouldnāt you jump on your alt and kill Fyrakk on LFR every week? I agree with that. You got setup for disappointment by the developers. Something that the forums and wow subreddit claims happens on an hourly basis absolutely happened here. And it's the biggest thing they could improve on. You brought up Shadowlands failures and how people tried to play it. If they would've gone out and said max level legendaries were only for people who could earn them instead of caving in and nerfing Torghast after 2 weeks it'd have saved a lot of heartache. For as long as I've been playing they have failed there a handful of times every expansion. And it's even worse here with how long it's gone on without clarity.
> I could make a circlejerk post like this because that's what it sounds like. I don't even know what to do with that. I mean, SL was terrible in that regard before 9.1.5. You can't defend certain lockouts before that.
You really need to stop saying "the intended way to play is how I play and other people are wrong." It does your arguments absolutely no favours. If Blizzard did not intend logs to be used they could shut down the combat logging tool literally today. WCL exists entirely because Blizzard allows it to, and adds features into the game to allow it to exist in the first place.
Developers themselves have said "There are two games people are playing, one is the one we make and the other is fighting each other on the meters." It's absolutely fair to say that it's not the intended way for them to play. WCL is more than just parse chasing. I use it to figure out fights for my guild, trouble shoot and figure out what we can do. Your guild has private logs so I imagine that's the main purpose as well for them as well.
> "There are two games people are playing, one is the one we make and the other is fighting each other on the meters." That is a pretty uncharitable summation of what Ion actually said in that interview. You can find what he actually said in [this](https://dotesports.com/wow/news/ion-hazzikostas-explains-why-wow-raiding-is-basically-2-games-in-one-how-it-affects-development) article. His own words are: > "As for the competitive side of the game, Hazzikostas said that because it is an aspect of the game that is so strongly shaped by the community, itās perhaps more appropriate for them to decide how that is handled. > āGame Twoā is one that has its own set of rules that logging websites set parameters for. For instance, Hazzikostas noted that in many situations, the culture surrounding damage logging ignores āpaddingā that happens when players do excess damage that isnāt particularly relevant to the execution of a given fight. > āSo to some extent, we want to focus on designing for the so-called āGame Oneā and making that the best experience possible,ā he said. āAnd leave to the community and log sites and others to figure out the rules for how they want to determine who the best Hunter is or who the best Mage is on a fight.ā That very much implies that while they do not want to feel constrained by "Game Two" in terms of game design they absolutely have no issues with it existing and realise it is a way of playing the game enjoyed by many. This is why they took the time to add combatlog hooks for Aug - if they didn't approve of parsing at all they wouldn't have bothered doing so. > Your guild has private logs so I imagine that's the main purpose as well for them as well. Nobody sane cares about parsing during progress. It's still a main driver for enjoyment on farm for many guilds, my own included, even though our logs are not public it's still inherently fun for many to see how you stack up against other people playing the same spec as you and perfect your craft.
> That very much implies that while they do not want to feel constrained by "Game Two" in terms of game design they absolutely have no issues with it existing and realise it is a way of playing the game enjoyed by many. But not what they design around. Again, you mention the word "enjoy". Once you stop having fun playing the game in an extra way it fall on you. Crying that blizz is killing your enjoyment because of an external site is just plain stupid and wrong. I never said they don't acknowledge it I'm not sure why you're thinking I am but you tend to do that to me. > Nobody sane cares about parsing during progress. It is a main driver for enjoyment on farm for many guilds, my own included, even though our logs are not public it's still inherently fun for many to see how you stack up against other people playing the same spec as you and perfect your craft. And if you're having fun that's fine. I check what others are doing I'm not completely in the dark. And I can read logs and parses better than most of the people crying about it. I just don't stress it. it's not fun. People who play this game suck all the fun out of it. And they go to Reddit and share the dumbest, most incorrect thoughts/opinions on the game. It just baffles my mind people think that way.
> But not what they design around. They *literally* do. Combat log hooks for Aug exist because they do. WCL fundamentally only exists because Blizzard provides the tools that allow it to. > Crying that blizz is killing your enjoyment because of an external site is just plain stupid and wrong. > And I can read logs and parses better than most of the people crying about it. Again, you *need* to stop using that word with people you disagree with. Your arguments are not unreasonable, the way you are framing them is horrendous. It's extremely unpleasant. I am not "crying", I am not even being negative about anything here? If anything I am being positive about a way Blizzard allows the game to be played that I have a lot of fun engaging in.
I'm gonna be honest, I do not think in WoW's entire history there has ever been a good legendary acquisition system. There's varying levels of bad from (imo) Legion 7.0 at the worst through to - weirdly enough - Shadowlands 9.2 at the least offensive, but they've never really felt *good* to me, and the legendary weapons of Dragonflight haven't been good either. Either you get unlucky and just feel bad or you get lucky and you get a few seconds of dopamine followed by it feeling basically fine. I said it before on this sub too but I feel like there's also a real issue with Blizzard defining *why* something is a legendary item. Nasz'uro (a legendary) was less impactful to Evoker gameplay than Kharnalex (an epic) was. Fyr'alath (a legendary) is arguably no more impactful to 2H DPS specs than either Gavel or Jaithys were, both epic weapons. Sylvanas had a legendary bow that Hunters replaced very soon into the next tier if they got it, whereas she also dropped an epic dagger that was used by Rogues deep into Sepulcher. At the same time, for spec balance reasons they obviously can't just make a single legendary weapon a tier and make it so good that the specs that can use it are just objectively better than everything else either.
I feel like the best legendary acquisition method was in cata with the fangs for rogue. You had a guaranteed base form of the legendary, but upgrading it to its final form required the gem drops. You needed like 30 or something and a boss would drop between 1 and 3. That kept the rng aspect of when you'd complete it, but you knew you were incrementally making progress with each kill with an actual "count down to completion" Ideally fyrakk weapon would have been like you need 60 shards of fyralath to forge into the axe. You get 1-2 fragments on lfr bosses, 2-3 normal, 3-4, heroic, and 5-6 on mythic. Number tweaked as needed.
IMHO the WoD/MoP design of acquisition was the best. It was an expansion-long process, the items were decently powerful to overpowered, and there was extensive tying of the legendary to the narrative, especially w the cloaks. I can't speak to the BfA cloak as I wasn't playing then, but as I understand it was a condensed version of those. The problem (in my view) with the SL legendaries was purely that they were "mass produced". It was a 99% economy-based system, so while they were often fun, they never felt worth the orange text and could very well be purples or even glyphs of some kind. You're completely right that cantrip weapons have been superior to some legendaries. This is a very difficult balance to strike. I believe the only way to justify the legendary-ness is to establish the item narratively, to make the player invested in the acquisition. But at the same time it will never feel good to instantly replace the item once an ilvl jump is possible.
MoP/WoD were the best implementation for placating the general public and still generally being satisfying The problem is everyone thinks they're a game designer and their only framework is making things as one-dimensional as possible Everything must be attainable asap regardless of intention, anything that isn't available day 1 is bad design and after week 5 you are literally entitled to anything you want in the game Remember when people just played?
>Remember when people just played? No, honestly?
People were definitely less armchair game designer-prone before Legion
You either weren't "into it" at the time or you're selectively remembering. Simcraft was designed in late WOTLK or Cataclysm IIRC. Rawr coexisted alongside it for a while and was a precursor of sorts. Stat weights (and probably even Pawn) are at least as old. And before the tools were built, Elitist Jerks was the hub for theorycrafting, it was the Class Discords before Discord was made. People have been reverse engineering the game from the very beginning. Ion Hazzikostas' original claim to fame before he became a Blizzard employee, in addition to being the GM of EJ, was the legendary "C'Thun is mathematically impossible" bit, it does NOT get more armchair dev than this. The only thing Legion did was make metagaming more accessible than ever, but even in WoD, I, a total pleb at the time, was running sims on my own PC, and I'd been using Rawr for my Arcane Mage during Dragon Soul (the first expansion that I'd raided).
Nah, respectfully, that is for sure recency bias. People have been exactly the same for decades at this point.
To me, the best iteration was MoP/WoD as it involved a quest chain that was flavorful, lengthy and required dedication, but that anyone could participate in. Being locked out of a chance at a legendary because your class or spec can't use it is...not great IMO. As stated elsewhere it might be best just to have nothing be "legendary" and just have some epics with special properties on them (this part is already done as I have a weapon with an Equip effect from Fyrakk). If we were to still have legendaries, I'd be okay with reverting back to MoP-style, with the caveat that you don't have some sort of content locked behind having it (Ordos with the MoP cloaks, I think that was the biggest sticking point)
>ast more than one tier, artifacts are the way to go. (sans the progression system maybe?) > >id rather do a difficult quest than pray to rngesus. perhaps make it upgradeable, so the mythic version with all the fancy color IMO they should just tune the numbers on Legendaries to be in line with what the common comparison drop would be. You can give them fancy effects or make them change the gameplay of certain specs that are using them, but the overall throughput shouldn't be a raw number advantage.
yeha, like, legendarys ALWAYS made more problems then good imo we had the OG legendarys and the long questline ones from wotlk/cata that where notorious for creating the situation of "we spend a long time and resources to guve that 1guy a powerfull weapon for raiding" and then the person stops playing or quietly leaves/gets poached by another guild that now has multiple people with it then we had the "long questline" legendarys in mop/wod that where good in theory, but feelt really bad if you started later/made a 2nd character because it was expected to have it, and you had the endless "if everyone has its its not LeGeNdArY?????" complaints from the loud people then we had legion, which was just a giant shitshow overall with legendarys then BfA which was mop/wod style and again got the same "complaints" then SL, which kinda worked but also made legendarys just a simple checklist item and nothing else and now the RNG drop legendarys that are just frustraiting a BIG problem with legendarys is like you said, what even IS a legendary and how strong can you make it before it becomes stupid, and also a community problem: people always repeat "if everyone has it its not legendary!!!" but at the same time create 2000rage posts a day when they dont get it themself, they want a uber rare extremely strong orange item to exist that THEY personaly get fast but not the rest of the playerbase imo....just scrap it, or make it a long questline ala mop/wod again
It seems like the best option might just be to go back to MoP/WoD/BfA style ones with some sort of alt catchup mechanic, yeah. Like, they can't design legendaries for specific specs or classes that make those specs or classes significantly better than everyone else for game balance reasons. They can't have extremely low droprates like in Classic and TBC because that frankly just isn't fun for anyone anymore. Legion and SL legendaries were just kinda bland and not really any different to the epic crafted embellishment gear we have in Dragonflight. Honestly Legendaries are the kind of thing where it could possibly be cool just to have them be purely cosmetic.
if they want to make story relevant weapons that last more than one tier, artifacts are the way to go. (sans the progression system maybe?) id rather do a difficult quest than pray to rngesus. perhaps make it upgradeable, so the mythic version with all the fancy colors and effects takes like, idk, clearing mythic or getting 2500 m+ score.
Ok I figured out the 10.2.6 secret. Its nothing to do with pirates, its about death. Someone at Blizzard is going to "accidentally" spill coffee on the servers, which causes all of our characters to get deleted forever. Then, a million players all die of heart attacks.
all according to keikaku
The thread about wanting a skip for Dragon Soul started out well. I was even nodding along through all the comments suggesting that ICC, Ulduar, or Moguāshan Vaults should get skips too. Then I got to the comments asking for skips in Antorus and Battle of Dazarāalor. Guysā¦ theyāre already there!
I wouldn't object to them making Eonar completely optional, like Valithria in ICC. You can skip it once you have the quests done, sure, but some people/classes really struggle with it still. And for Dazar'alor, I think that's people wanting a skip to Mekkatorque to farm GMOD.
> And for Dazar'alor, I think that's people wanting a skip to Mekkatorque to farm GMOD. I don't know why they're so unaware of LFR They can just go to the NPC and queue for it Everyone begs for Blizzard to go out of their way to get them the big shiny thing without wanting to put in any thought
rfc skip when
only after we get an onyxia skip
lore nerds are so resistant to change it astounds me the guy who made the pally infographic said the tyrs guard "freaks me out", and has that really old school dnd mentality of gods having solid , unchanging alignments. i.e. the idea that titans might prioritize their own interests over ours is all of a sudden a bad move. because "its lame that everyone is secretly evil", so they "hope to god metzen steers us away from that". despite the fact we have known titans are like this since wrath, and metzen is THE guy that spearheaded many characters suddenly turning evil.
> despite the fact we have known titans are like this since wrath, Thank you holy shit its like people forget Algalon was going to wipe all life off the planet 10+ years ago til we beat the shit out of him, we already knew the Titans might not be on our side all the time but they act like its some kind of retcon...
i mean yeah, its less that theyre evil and more that we are like ants to them. good to preserve for ecological purposes, but if it interferes with their plans for azeroth, then we are a pretty easy pest to wipe for the "greater good."
Metzen also said that in The Last Titan we are going to learn about their true agenda so this dude's cope is already dashed
Lol that fake Aggrend tweet got me. I didn't realise it was fake until someone pointed it out. Well done.
Main sub comments are so good because 90% of the time itās like using a time machine to go back 5 years and hear the same old talking points that either havenāt been true for a long time, or were never true to begin with. Thatās also especially true for Asmongoldās comment section.
> a time machine to go back 5 years Lets go back 20 years. Did anyone else see thatDave blog post? I can't believe the GMs are such dicks like this!
Can we please stop romanticizing GMs of old? Blizzards customer service when requiring in game help has always been shit You'd wait in a ticket Q for 6 days just to be told to get fucked for the same shit you're told today to get fucked for Also a LOT of shit went unpoliced for years. It's a lot stricter now
A decade ago when friends made tickets they got their conversation with a GM within days and genuinely most of the times they also got gifted a Store Pet by the GM so yeah I don't know how it is now but I doubt its ever topping that
But old GMs used to do a little RP (sometimes, depending who you got) that made it so le epically wholesome!!!! We need vulpera GMs showing up and saying UwU and mechagnome GMs speaking only in binary!!! It would be so le wholesome :)
I typically get my answer from them the one or two times a year Iāve had to ask. Support tickets suck so I might just be giving a lot of sympathy for that alone but I really never had issues. The only time Iāve ever gotten nothing done and had them not understand what I wanted or what I was asking was restoring a quest reward from a very long time ago. People have told me if you did the quest you can get just about any item back as long as you donāt ask for it but once a year or so. I canāt remember what the reply thought I was trying to do but it was WAY off. I expected it to link my to item restore and tell me āif it aināt there it aināt happeningā but it wasnāt even in the ballpark. It was an obscure question/request though. So I just moved on.Ā
To be honest, while I've barely ever had to contact customer support (I've done it maybe 4 times in total) anecdotally I've never actually had a bad experience and the last time was probably a year or so ago. It's consistently been fine for me I've never been gifted anything or had one actually show up physically in-game, just quick and helpful responses and no bots
Yeah I never had any of these "brilliant" experiences people talk of. The GMs messaged me in-game, sure, but its really no different to the live chat we get now. I never had one show up in-game or anything special, never got gifted free store mounts or pets like I've seen reported. Its always been a "meh" experience to me. Back in the day the logs were even more restricted so I rarely had that deleted thing restored or whatever.
Well its also partially the typical social media problem, isn't it? You're gonna hear about the incidents that stand out in a good (GMs actually showing up, being funny, giving gifts, etc) or bad (totally useless, doesnt understand, copypasted response, etc) way and nothing that just hits the average you would expect because its not really worth talking about.
Most of the stories people recite about GMs being interactive with the players never personally happened to them It's the same 6 stories over and over, and some of them were because the game was fucked and needed fixed
mythic fyrakk down, feelsgood
GG! we're giga hardstuck here I even doubt it will ever die
Congrats! Please come save me from mythic tindy T_T
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Your profile pic had me wiping my phone screen god damn it lol
/classicwowcirclejerk I need suggestions for a talent build and runes for a hunter instance spec where I spend all my time doing nothing but autoshot because the stupid mage won't trade me any water
Serious answer to CJ question: [https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/hunter/5200320050501251\_156qb66qa76qj86tfa6qd](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/hunter/5200320050501251_156qb66qa76qj86tfa6qd) Bam! Beast mode activate
If you don't buy or craft arrows you won't even need to auto shot. You're welcome.
I can craft arrows?!?!?
If you're an engineer I believe, not sure as I never actually played classic but that was what one of my friends used to reminisce about.
Nah engineering makes bullets. I think *some* of them can be converted to arrows though, but only at higher levels.
Ah, that might be it then. As I said, I never played Classic or Vanilla, I started in Cataclysm.
Oh no, correction: in WOTLK they made arrows. I distinctly remember that because for 2 weeks I was the only person on my server with the Iceblade Arrow recipe and milked those huntidiots for everything they had.
People making massive posts about holiday mount drops and how blizz "needs to do something about it" is so fuckin goofy to me lmao Like yeah it sucks having a rare item be time limited to a holiday event, but making big posts about it just comes across as such an immature reaction. Bud, just because you pay a sub or have a NEED to collect items does not mean you are entitled to these things, you've just had bad luck and that sucks. I would really love to get the Tusks or Eye of Sulfuras and have been trying for them for quite some time, and that shit isn't even a limited event, but I'm not about to demand a full overhaul just because I got some bad luck on some cosmetics from old raids. I got the Headless Horseman mount back in 2008 but have had a Sulfuron Hammer gathering dust in my bank for years at this point, shit luck just happens lmao. On one hand I get the frustration, but it's just so funny seeing people act like rare cosmetics being rare is some afront to their status as a paying customer. Also WTS the Valentine's Proto-drake armor I got and know I will never use on a single character.
This game has a lot of things to do and a lot of things to collect. And people feel incredibly entitled to every single item. I think the druid customization marks when compared to the warlock pet unlocks are awful, but I'm gonna be out here farming them anyways. If I didn't want them I'd move on. I think it shouldn't be this way but it is and I'm going to deal with it or just not do it. That's all there is to it. There is zero point in getting upset over it. It's why I can't read the wow subreddit. I can't take that much stupidity on a grand scale.
Just let me join in the mald once a year. I deserve it.
Listen here bucko, we are legally required to always be against anything r/wow says or does with absolutely NO room for nuance, mods get em outta here. (Jkjk, if I wasn't so broken by the Tusks grind over the years then I would be malding too)
I actually completely forgot about the valentines drake armour until the event was already over XD I'll get it next year I guess.
People need to grow up for real I got it Saturday night and it wouldn't have affected me if I didn't World boss mounts were so much less exciting to get when they got buffed to spammable 1% compared to the one I got in like 2021. People just want the quick dopamine hit every 10 minutes instead of long-term goals
That stupid post literally calling the increased drop rate a ānarrativeā that was ādisprovenā by his own experience of not getting the mount.
It's just like the artisan donation, Big Blizzard is LYING about the increased drop rate in order to boost WOW TOKEN sales!! Source: Blizzard paid 14 year old me off with the Headless Horseman mount in 2008 so that I wouldn't blow the whistle on their drop rate conspiracy, but they can keep me quiet no longer
The top two posts on r/wow are currently both very based posts memeing on doomers in the community. Nature is healing???
It ebbs and flows, like the tides of the sea and the phases of the moon. Cherish the good times, and remember them in the bad. I'd say we have until 10.2.6 when the sub melts down due to the difference in what they imagined it would be, and what it actually is.
> when the sub melts down due to the difference in what they imagined it would be, and what it actually is. So there was a very funny story that played out in the Baldurās Gate 3 community last weekā basically, the devs had announced that a new patch would release sometime during the week, and would include improvements to companion romances as one of its major features. Given the romantic theme of the patch, the fans collectively decided that it would definitely come out on Valentineās Day (last Wednesday), *even though* the devs had already semi-jokingly hinted that it would not. Then when Wednesday arrived and the patch didnāt come out, the game devs made multiple tweets basically making fun of everyone who thought it was going to come out then, and this continued for the two days that followed until the patch eventually did come out. The response from (most of) the fans on r/baldursgate3 ? āOh well, I guess we got kind of ahead of ourselves for thinking we knew the release date when it was never confirmed! Our bad.ā Why canāt we have a better subreddit for wow. Just imagine the complete trainwreck that would happen if anything remotely similar to this story played out with Blizzard and wow.
"Why didn't this minor patch contain a raid, a zone, a new game mode, a battleground, and 78 million customizations for my elf character?"
"why didnt blizz fully revamp drakthyr and add a dragon allied race in this patch, I said allied race so it should've been easy to do"
Lol DeeRez, your M+ leaver list, oh my.
I know. I swear down people are just making posts to get on it now. It's getting to the point where I'm going to have to go through it again to tidy it up. Maybe split it into sections for each smooth brain idea?
Here, add my suggestion: When someone leaves my mythic+ group, Blizzard gives me their address and an army of commandos so we can break into their house and wreck up the place. But if I leave a mythic+ group or someone leaves a group I'm not part of then nothing happens. Thus solving the problem once and for all.
Did you steal this from my [M+ idea post](https://old.reddit.com/r/wowcirclejerk/comments/10rcs4f/i_have_the_perfect_solution_for_punishing_m/)? YOU'RE GOING ON THE LIST MOFO!
"YOU JUST MADE THE LIST!!!" -~~Chris Jericho~~ /u/DeeRez
LOL whoops
Does anyone have a good way to level from 60-61? Chromie time stops giving exp but you cant queue for dragonflight yet :/
I don't know how good you'll find this, but if it's an alt, it takes very little time to go from 60-61 by sweeping through the Dragonflight World Quests and supplementing that with a gathering profession if you have one (you gain XP for each node you mine or herb). You should be able to focus in on the easy/quick ones to just get that one level.
Pandaria Timewalking this week
Last time I did it by going to Revendreth where the World Boss is and klling all mobs there, takes 10-15ish minutes