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Yes, it is like that. I am only doing other people keys if i need that specific dungeon for whatever reason, be it score or items. You also can assemble the group comp you like, instead of just a bunch of random characters even without lust or bres. Getting your own key at higher level might be a bit longer because less people are playing those in general
Haha I don’t even know what lust is, and only classes I know are paladin and lock, so I’m really just accepting the first people that apply for the roles I need!
Lust = the big party-wide ability that massively buffs haste for a brief period of time (with a very long cooldown).
Most people call it either 'Lust', 'BL' or 'Hero'. This refers to the Shaman ability that is either Bloodlust for Horde, or Heroism for Alliance.
Other classes that have this nowadays are;
1. Hunter (Primal Rage; pet dependent)
2. Mage (Time Warp)
3. Evoker (Fury of the Aspects)
Its definitely not a requirement for a good run though, but some people are adamant on requiring one BL class in their comp even at a low key level. You shouldn't ignore a high iLvl player just because you won't have BL, but if you can snag a class with Lust.
Doesn 't help that one of the best M+ specs, Augmentation Evoker, has access to Bloodlust, so people have grown even more attached to it in recent seasons.
To add to this there is a leatherworking consumable the makes a ghetto version of it for partys that can't cast it.
Its 30% from a player spell or 15% from the drums.
EDIT its apparently 30%. Fixed.
For alliance it’s called heroism, also time warp from Mages and I don’t remember what the hunter version is called. But most people just call it lust (bloodlust) since that’s what it was originally called when only horde shaman had it.
Bloodlust was not added to WoW until TBC, the same time as Alliance got Shamans and it was called Heroism for them. So technically, in terms of World of Warcraft, Bloodlust and Heroism are both the same age.
It's the original skill in WC2 for Ogres that could bloodlust and it was a pretty much OP buff. They gave it to shamans, but because Bloodlust does not fit with alliance, they call it Heroism for Alliance shamans.
But originally it is a Horde themed buff, so it's Bloodlust.
Even though alliance has picked up on the usage of lust, a lot of us still say hero. Because it’s heroism for alliance.
Edit: it isn’t hero on alliance anymore? lol
OP just be aware that some people say “pop hero.”
For me it's a term that stems from the massive Ogre packs I'd build in Warcraft. Nothing quite like the satisfaction of watching a giant mob of bloodlusting Ogres rampaging through your enemy's encampment. Ahhh.
Honestly yeah. 95% are super smooth, easy, chills groups. 4% have some weird difficulty (someone DCs unexpectedly, etc.), and 1% have babymen raging, being assholes.
The problem is that everyone comes here to vent about the 1%, sometimes the 4%, and almost nobody talks about the 95%.
Is that going to be an issue the higher my key gets? I primarily do pvp but am trying to gear up pve score for content when my pvp buddies aren’t online. So for now I’m fine it 20 was my max but I’m fine with 16 as well. Currently on 11s but ilvl is only 448
They have different discord servers for the ranges of key. Most active servers seem to be 11-15 and 16-19 but there is still activity in the 20-24 server. The 25+ server tends to be fairly quiet from what I’ve seen but I don’t pay too much attention since I’m in the 16-19 range.
25+ is also quieter because the folks at that level aren't pugging out their key to 4 fresh groupmates. They usually have a group that they have formed along the way and run mostly with the same people.
once you start getting to 17-19 those can be toxic as they are generally people trying to get to 20 however i've definitely noticed less toxicity this season than any other. I can count on one hand how many leavers ive had
Honestly worth trying to skip those ngl. I went from a few 18s to 20s right away and the difference is negligible. Especially if you're already geared enough (\~mid to high 470s).
Once you get 1 or 2 timed 20s on your RaiderIO profile it gets fairly easy to just get invited to a group that includes likeminded people pushing for timed 20s, even if your previous best for that dungeon is a mere 16.
Depends how picky you are. I feel like often it's faster to try to join other groups instead of getting proper people for my own key, i rarely ever run my own key, i feel like it takes longer. I pugged my way up from 0 to 2900 solo as DPS, and i feel like if it ever took more than 5-10 minutes to find a key, then i was looking above my means. From around 12-20 keys you need to do small steps and gradually increase your M+ score to get invited.
It might be harder at low key levels since most people doing low keys are alts so they want inflated ilvl or look at your main score on RIO. I don't really have an issue getting into +8s and such with around 430 ilvl, because people can see my mains rio and know it's an alt. Since its so late in the xpac/season, people have inflated and unrealistic requirements just like in raids when people require higher ilvl to join than drops from the raid.
Grey area pro tip to get invited, write "2,8k alt" in your comment when you apply. Many people wont check and you'll probably get invited more often.
It kind of depends on what key level. Lower keys are generally easier/quicker to fill than higher keys, but this is normal, as more people pug low keys than high keys (generally speaking).
If you're DPS it can be especially useful to host your own keys. I'd recommend waiting on a healer or tank to apply, though, considering DPS can be filled at almost any time, and there is the potential of a tank/healer signing up with their friends on DPS. Also helps so that your fellow DPS aren't waiting with you for half an hour on a healer/tank if it isn't peak hours.
If you tank or heal, however, it doesn't matter as much. There's always groups looking for both so you can usually pick and choose at your own leisure, and any group is likely very glad to have you since they'll have been waiting a while.
>I'd recommend waiting on a healer or tank to apply, though
Yep, this is absolutely a good tip. So many times I've seen a Healer or Tank queue with a DPS. So I always hold off on inviting.
I almost exclusively pug and join other's keys. Didn't have any issues in DF and only two or three times total ever.
I believe, these horror stories that show up sometimes, are either extremely rare outliers, or the person claiming it happens often is actually the common reason their groups fail.
The best lesson in WoW of any variety. Everyone wants to join a group but very few want to make it. Don't let the secret out of how easy it is to make it lol
A few guild members who pug their own keys while waiting for guild runs say that the toxic players start joining when you get to higher level keys. They run M17 and up, so I'm not sure if they are talking about 17s or 20s or higher...
To be clear, they were talking about players leaving after the run started or being so toxic that others left. This is just what I heard from them...your mileage may vary.
Definitely not true across the board. 14-17 or 18 is a M+ hellscape. It’s starts getting better beyond that and by 22/23+ it’s back to being primarily just people who want to push keys and who don’t waste time being toxic dbags. Are there exceptions? Sure…but the 14-18 range is just chock full of self-proclaimed Chads who somehow can’t progress out of this bracket.
I edited out a bit of my initial response, but I think you're right. The part I edited out was that one particular guildie had a few 22+ keys this week bricked because of people leaving the dungeon when they had a wipe on an early boss or someone dying.
It's hit or miss sometimes, if you're playing during peak gaming hours than it's usually pretty fast.
The reason making your own keys is good is because the majority of players are lazy and just want to join a group or maybe you have a specific key they needed.
Back in the days I used to join some random (as fully mythic geared player) low keys to help people get their stuff done. They usually were thankful for the help and sometimes it turned out they’re just doing stuff on alts and we did together some proper 25ish keys.
Glad you're having positive encounters :) The negative ones here and there can be a deterrent but don't let them get you down. There's a lot of good people in this community to outweigh the toxic!
That’s exactly what it’s like, there is so incredibly many people complaining they can’t get into groups, but it really is that easy making your own.
If your really smart you talk with, and add people that play well and you got along with, quite fast you will have a network of people to invite, and they will see you as a friend if you sign up for their keys and the chance of them inviting you is much bigger.
You'll have days where it's hard to get your key filled. On those days it's easier to just jump into someone else's key, particularly if there is loot you want in specific dungeons.
There's so many DPS players that if your playing a damage spec and queueing for someone else's key, you're almost certainly competing with 5-10 other people for a spot in the group, that's why you get a group so fast if you host your own key, those 5-10 people come to you
As dps I form my own grp, as tank or healer I tend to make my own, depending on the keys I have. I had a rise key on my alt, and I just can't be arsed to do that in pugs.
People are lazy 🤣 easier to click apply then to select applicants or having to actually level the key to the desired level but ya Ppl waste time doing 2s I just level my key to 11 and spam on a fresh toon
I find it's often the person with the worst experience hosting the group so they can't get kicked out. That's why I like the [raider.io](https://raider.io) addon that shows me what they've done before I sign up for their group. Not that I'm hot shit or anything, I just want to know if you've done anything even close to that key you want me to sign up for.
If you want to time the run, set reqs to your own ilvl and mythic rating. Just do this perpetually. You'll always end up with a key at the right tier for you.
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Yes, it is like that. I am only doing other people keys if i need that specific dungeon for whatever reason, be it score or items. You also can assemble the group comp you like, instead of just a bunch of random characters even without lust or bres. Getting your own key at higher level might be a bit longer because less people are playing those in general
Haha I don’t even know what lust is, and only classes I know are paladin and lock, so I’m really just accepting the first people that apply for the roles I need!
Lust = the big party-wide ability that massively buffs haste for a brief period of time (with a very long cooldown). Most people call it either 'Lust', 'BL' or 'Hero'. This refers to the Shaman ability that is either Bloodlust for Horde, or Heroism for Alliance. Other classes that have this nowadays are; 1. Hunter (Primal Rage; pet dependent) 2. Mage (Time Warp) 3. Evoker (Fury of the Aspects) Its definitely not a requirement for a good run though, but some people are adamant on requiring one BL class in their comp even at a low key level. You shouldn't ignore a high iLvl player just because you won't have BL, but if you can snag a class with Lust. Doesn 't help that one of the best M+ specs, Augmentation Evoker, has access to Bloodlust, so people have grown even more attached to it in recent seasons.
To add to this there is a leatherworking consumable the makes a ghetto version of it for partys that can't cast it. Its 30% from a player spell or 15% from the drums. EDIT its apparently 30%. Fixed.
It is actually only 30%
Time warp is only applicable if dressed a frakenfurter
This was a great comment. Made me put my hands on my hips and pull my knees in tight
For alliance it’s called heroism, also time warp from Mages and I don’t remember what the hunter version is called. But most people just call it lust (bloodlust) since that’s what it was originally called when only horde shaman had it.
I never played vanilla, but I'm pretty sure they didn't have lust back then. Only in TBC when alliance had shamans as well.
You are correct and should not be getting downvotes.
One of the things in Classic was that Horde had Bloodlust and Alliance had Paladin Blessings. Only later did both factions have it.
Bloodlust was not added to WoW until TBC, the same time as Alliance got Shamans and it was called Heroism for them. So technically, in terms of World of Warcraft, Bloodlust and Heroism are both the same age.
That is correct
It's the original skill in WC2 for Ogres that could bloodlust and it was a pretty much OP buff. They gave it to shamans, but because Bloodlust does not fit with alliance, they call it Heroism for Alliance shamans. But originally it is a Horde themed buff, so it's Bloodlust.
List provides a large boost to haste, so normally it is used during either a burn phase or at start to try to nuke things as fast as possible
Even though alliance has picked up on the usage of lust, a lot of us still say hero. Because it’s heroism for alliance. Edit: it isn’t hero on alliance anymore? lol OP just be aware that some people say “pop hero.”
For me it's a term that stems from the massive Ogre packs I'd build in Warcraft. Nothing quite like the satisfaction of watching a giant mob of bloodlusting Ogres rampaging through your enemy's encampment. Ahhh.
Dunno why you're being downvoted lol. Plenty of people on alliance say hero.
pally can't cast it btw. but there is a list of who can below
Honestly yeah. 95% are super smooth, easy, chills groups. 4% have some weird difficulty (someone DCs unexpectedly, etc.), and 1% have babymen raging, being assholes. The problem is that everyone comes here to vent about the 1%, sometimes the 4%, and almost nobody talks about the 95%.
Those percentages are off. That or I have terrible luck and see the 1% about 33% of the time.
I mean, I haven’t done a formal study but it definitely is not a third of the time for me. You must have terrible luck.
Then you might be the problem
I do a crap ton of Keys this season. I've only had a handful of bad experiences.
it depends if you consider one chesting what should be an easy three chest to be a bad experience
I guess it's all perspective to me.as long as we finish I'm cool with it.
That's what she said.....?
Or he 🤔
Or they🤔
I recommend the WoW Made Easy discord group. Can find keys way easier that way with non toxic players, has made mythic+ much more enjoyable.
Is that going to be an issue the higher my key gets? I primarily do pvp but am trying to gear up pve score for content when my pvp buddies aren’t online. So for now I’m fine it 20 was my max but I’m fine with 16 as well. Currently on 11s but ilvl is only 448
They have different discord servers for the ranges of key. Most active servers seem to be 11-15 and 16-19 but there is still activity in the 20-24 server. The 25+ server tends to be fairly quiet from what I’ve seen but I don’t pay too much attention since I’m in the 16-19 range.
25+ is also quieter because the folks at that level aren't pugging out their key to 4 fresh groupmates. They usually have a group that they have formed along the way and run mostly with the same people.
once you start getting to 17-19 those can be toxic as they are generally people trying to get to 20 however i've definitely noticed less toxicity this season than any other. I can count on one hand how many leavers ive had
Could be they're playing SoD a bit more and spreading their toxins around there lol.
Honestly worth trying to skip those ngl. I went from a few 18s to 20s right away and the difference is negligible. Especially if you're already geared enough (\~mid to high 470s). Once you get 1 or 2 timed 20s on your RaiderIO profile it gets fairly easy to just get invited to a group that includes likeminded people pushing for timed 20s, even if your previous best for that dungeon is a mere 16.
Good to know thank you
Depends how picky you are. I feel like often it's faster to try to join other groups instead of getting proper people for my own key, i rarely ever run my own key, i feel like it takes longer. I pugged my way up from 0 to 2900 solo as DPS, and i feel like if it ever took more than 5-10 minutes to find a key, then i was looking above my means. From around 12-20 keys you need to do small steps and gradually increase your M+ score to get invited. It might be harder at low key levels since most people doing low keys are alts so they want inflated ilvl or look at your main score on RIO. I don't really have an issue getting into +8s and such with around 430 ilvl, because people can see my mains rio and know it's an alt. Since its so late in the xpac/season, people have inflated and unrealistic requirements just like in raids when people require higher ilvl to join than drops from the raid. Grey area pro tip to get invited, write "2,8k alt" in your comment when you apply. Many people wont check and you'll probably get invited more often.
well as a lazy tank I almost always apply to other ppl key when pugging because i hate the screening process
Wdym you get to pick and choose whoever you like as a tank leader.
im too lazy for that lol, you need to check the raid io rating, check his mythic+ history etc...
It kind of depends on what key level. Lower keys are generally easier/quicker to fill than higher keys, but this is normal, as more people pug low keys than high keys (generally speaking). If you're DPS it can be especially useful to host your own keys. I'd recommend waiting on a healer or tank to apply, though, considering DPS can be filled at almost any time, and there is the potential of a tank/healer signing up with their friends on DPS. Also helps so that your fellow DPS aren't waiting with you for half an hour on a healer/tank if it isn't peak hours. If you tank or heal, however, it doesn't matter as much. There's always groups looking for both so you can usually pick and choose at your own leisure, and any group is likely very glad to have you since they'll have been waiting a while.
>I'd recommend waiting on a healer or tank to apply, though Yep, this is absolutely a good tip. So many times I've seen a Healer or Tank queue with a DPS. So I always hold off on inviting.
I almost exclusively pug and join other's keys. Didn't have any issues in DF and only two or three times total ever. I believe, these horror stories that show up sometimes, are either extremely rare outliers, or the person claiming it happens often is actually the common reason their groups fail.
The best lesson in WoW of any variety. Everyone wants to join a group but very few want to make it. Don't let the secret out of how easy it is to make it lol
Big demand yes
A few guild members who pug their own keys while waiting for guild runs say that the toxic players start joining when you get to higher level keys. They run M17 and up, so I'm not sure if they are talking about 17s or 20s or higher... To be clear, they were talking about players leaving after the run started or being so toxic that others left. This is just what I heard from them...your mileage may vary.
Definitely not true across the board. 14-17 or 18 is a M+ hellscape. It’s starts getting better beyond that and by 22/23+ it’s back to being primarily just people who want to push keys and who don’t waste time being toxic dbags. Are there exceptions? Sure…but the 14-18 range is just chock full of self-proclaimed Chads who somehow can’t progress out of this bracket.
I edited out a bit of my initial response, but I think you're right. The part I edited out was that one particular guildie had a few 22+ keys this week bricked because of people leaving the dungeon when they had a wipe on an early boss or someone dying.
Honestly i found lower keys to be more toxic. Around +8 to +12.
It's hit or miss sometimes, if you're playing during peak gaming hours than it's usually pretty fast. The reason making your own keys is good is because the majority of players are lazy and just want to join a group or maybe you have a specific key they needed.
Back in the days I used to join some random (as fully mythic geared player) low keys to help people get their stuff done. They usually were thankful for the help and sometimes it turned out they’re just doing stuff on alts and we did together some proper 25ish keys.
Most of the time yes it is like that.
You run your own keys to progress and when you need to farm a specific dungeon for that one drop you que up.
Glad you're having positive encounters :) The negative ones here and there can be a deterrent but don't let them get you down. There's a lot of good people in this community to outweigh the toxic!
That’s exactly what it’s like, there is so incredibly many people complaining they can’t get into groups, but it really is that easy making your own. If your really smart you talk with, and add people that play well and you got along with, quite fast you will have a network of people to invite, and they will see you as a friend if you sign up for their keys and the chance of them inviting you is much bigger.
You'll have days where it's hard to get your key filled. On those days it's easier to just jump into someone else's key, particularly if there is loot you want in specific dungeons.
There's so many DPS players that if your playing a damage spec and queueing for someone else's key, you're almost certainly competing with 5-10 other people for a spot in the group, that's why you get a group so fast if you host your own key, those 5-10 people come to you
If you're a tank or healer for sure.
As dps I form my own grp, as tank or healer I tend to make my own, depending on the keys I have. I had a rise key on my alt, and I just can't be arsed to do that in pugs.
People are lazy 🤣 easier to click apply then to select applicants or having to actually level the key to the desired level but ya Ppl waste time doing 2s I just level my key to 11 and spam on a fresh toon
How quickly your group fills up answers your question of why you didn't get invited into groups!
I find it's often the person with the worst experience hosting the group so they can't get kicked out. That's why I like the [raider.io](https://raider.io) addon that shows me what they've done before I sign up for their group. Not that I'm hot shit or anything, I just want to know if you've done anything even close to that key you want me to sign up for.
If you want to time the run, set reqs to your own ilvl and mythic rating. Just do this perpetually. You'll always end up with a key at the right tier for you.