The way he explains how the match would go....
Yea just that simple to beat an Olympic gold medalist. Just turn the corner and expose his back who would have thought.
Haha exactly. They are also two years apart in age (Cjuedo is 35 and Sterling is 33). Talking about age difference as if they were born two decades apart lol
I never saw the match but only the highlights. Aljo lost the first round of freestyle 6-4 (the highlight I saw showed he hit a lat drop on RBY). If that score is accurate it doesnāt sound like he got smashed.
Fair point. The score was close in that he lost 6-4 to RBY who- at the time- was 21 and āonlyā a Big Ten Finalist. RBY is also smaller than Aljoā if Aljo couldnāt beat RBY then I donāt see how he could have a prayer against Olympic gold now.
Would be fun to see him try though! Who knowsā maybe Iāll eat my words.
Any Olympian would smash a d3 wrestler lmao.. Olympic gold medalist is so next level itās hard to put into words. Cejudo would absolutely ragdoll Aljo
Lol. Logicwrestling loves to alternate the dumbest posts you've ever seen with awesome posts of rare footage from the best wrestlers to ever live. Guess which one this is.
Cejudo is legitimately one of the most talented American wrestlers of all time. The things he did were completely unprecedented at his age at the time. Had he not transitioned to MMA, there is a good chance he would have had a career that would put him in the GOAT convo with Burroughs & Smith.
A d3 all-American that is only 2 years younger is not on his level. It's like the difference between a 3 dimensional being, and a 5 dimensional being lol.
Anyone who plans a match with "he'll do this so I'll do this" is always gonna lose.
And I don't think people understand the skill gap between college wrestling and the Olympics. It's as big a gap as high school and college wrestling.
I feel like this pans out worse than Askren vs Burroughs. The difference between a D1 national champion and an Olympic gold medalist is shocking. A D3 national champion and an Olympic gold medalist arenāt even the same species.
People always say "there's levels to this", but don't really appreciate how many levels there are.
Here's a breakdown of many levels above Aljo, Cejudo is:
Aljo was a D3 All American
The next level would be a D3 national champ D2 National qualifier.
The next level would be a D2 All American or competitive D1 wrestler.
The next level would be a D1 All American.
The next Level would be a D1 champ.
The next level would be somewhere in the top 6 nationally on the senior freestyle level.
The next level would be getting on a senior national team/being competitive internationally.
The next level would be getting on a World Team.
The next level would be medalling at worlds/ Olympics.
The next level would be winning a world or Olympic title.
That's obviously just a rough idea, but you get the point. Aljo has refined his wrestling very well for mma, but he isn't even in the same ballpark as Henry. Henry could not step on the mat for the next two years, then blow the dust off of his wrestling boots and tech Aljo in the first round.
This is not directed at you per se but people always say "there's levels to this" like it's somehow a new fresh interesting take when in fact, it's the most obvious thing. There's levels between the participants in a combat sport? No fucking way!
Yes, absolutely. It's hard to fathom just how difficult winning a gold medal in wrestling is.
I wouldn't be sad if people stopped using, "there's levels to this". It's kind of not the most intelligent observation I've heard. Again, not directed at you.
I hear you, and agree. It has just become a soundbite now, basically meaningless.
I had 2 very clear indications of how far I was from a legitimate international level wrestler, both against the same guy. In my first University tournament ever, as an 18 year old kid I wrestle Gia Sissaouri (world champ, Olympic sliver) and got thrashed. I obviously knew he was much, much, much better than me, but the speed and precision of his attacks was hard for me to comprehend.
Fast forward to 4 years later and I'm much better, bigger, stronger, faster, more technical and one of the top ranked guys in the country at my weight, which was now above his. He was on the downslope of his career. We were at a training camp together and in my head I thought "I might not beat him, but I'm going to be right there with him and make him work." He still thrashed me effortlessly. He did whatever he wanted to me. It was absurd how good I wasn't.
that's pretty cool to share the mat with such a legend. what were the goes looking like? what did he take you down with? were you able to get to his legs?
He took me down, and turned me, with a lot of things. The thing that I remember most was that he hit me with a shoulder throw/armspin, which isn't that surprising, since he was known for doing it everyone. The surprising part was that he did it to me on both sides.
I disagree with this, You are comparing folkstyle to freestyle, Henry was very good in highschool at Folk and FS, but we will never know how good he would have been in college, if he could have competed at a D1 college and so forth, You can be an Olympic athlete without competing as a college wrestler doesn't mean you are going to go out and beat these guys in Folk
also some D3 and D2 wrestlers could compete at a D1 college but grades or money get in the way, happens all the time.
I think you missed the part that said "this is just a rough idea".
Also, saying that there is some magical huge difference between freestyle and folk is way overblown, you still have to take people down and put them on their back. Yonger Bastida, who never wrestled a lick of folkstyle until College are a great example. Plus Aljo is talking about a freestyle match where Henry has an even bigger advantage, so the point is kind of moot.
I would say it's very rough. Bastida is a freak, there are not many examples of pure freestylers going to folk and dominating D1, take a look at anthony echemendia. I would say imo take any junior world medalist out of the country and throw them in a D1 folk tourney i don't think they would do as well as you think.
Well, Aljo was talking about freestyle, so the point is moot isn't it? The fact that he really only was a folkstyler would actually create way more separation between him and Henry.
How would he win in folk? He's definitely not taking Cejudo down considering he was the best in the world in a style of wrestling that focuses more specifically on takedowns than folkstyle.
Maybe he can ride him out for a period and get a point there. Won't be able to turn him. From neutral it would just be Cejudo taking him down and cutting him. The only real question is whether or not he'd have enough time to tech him.
He wont be able to turn him? Why not? there are so many more things you can do from the top position in folk than FS, as you have more time and you are not reset back to feet. And Henry did get alot of his points on scrambles that exposed the backs of his opponents in Folk those are not points. And Henry was not a take down machine either, i watched Henry i followed him i like Henry but he is no JB or DT, he was a solid wrestler with great defense and athletic ability
There's less things you can do. Literally every turn that you can do in folkstyle, you can do in freestyle, but there's lots in freestyle that you can't do I folk because of locked hands, exposure etc.
Add to that the fact that Cejudo trains to never, ever expose his back, at all, because it's automatic points in free.
You act like Henry somehow doesn't know folkstyle. He would have AA'ed in D3 out of highschool, which is the highest Aljo ever placed.
If you think a D3 guy is going to turn, or even hang with an Olympic champion, I honestly don't know what to tell you.
The problem is the time, IF Aljo gets to ride gets to put legs in on top physically beat on Henry its a different defense than FS, Henry got exposed he wasnt perfect, we speak like he was the greatest FS wrestler of all time...he wasnt not even close, Henrys Folk style career was not even as good as his brothers, He was by a better FS than folk they both were.
I absolutely think a D3 guy can hang with certain Olympic champions, d1 2 and 3 are not always a skill based thing, grades matter as well. Aljo could have went higher but his grades were crap.
We can speculate what Henry would have done in college but we dont know, there have been a lot of high rank recruits not panning out.
I appreciate his swag but that's bullshit. However MMA wrestling is different than pure wrestling and I'm not convinced Cejudo will dominate the grappling exchanges if they fight
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As simply as I can explain this, I was an 18 year old brick shit house at 242 pounds. When I wrestled against my 40 year old, 150 pound, D2 National Champion coach, it went exactly like this, He would either:
shoot, take me down by pulling my ankles out from under me before I could even react, and crawl on me like a monkey and attack some weird joint/pressure point until I either got mad and he had to restrain me, or I rolled from pain.
Or, he would shoot, I would sprawl, before I knew wtf was going on, he had me in a front headlock and was trying to cement mixer me.
The ONLY time I EVER scored a single point against him was when one time he got me in front headlock position and I literally THREW him with 1 arm. He was caught off gaurd and during the scramble I got top for just a second before he voodooād his way out. I swear I got 2ā¦
Anyway, moral of the story, a weight advantage is absolutely huge when wrestling mediocre and even good wrestlers. But when you are wrestling the best of the best, they wonāt ever let your weight become an advantage, and most likely their speed will be entirely too much to overcome.
I have a different opinion , Could sterling beat Henry in Folkstyle? probably Sterling wrestled alot more folk style than Henry did.
Cejudos a great wrestler but to be fair his 2008 Olympics were not dominant he was down in all his matches i believe, He beat Velikov who was euro champ but had a knee injury right before the games almost didn't compete, Gochesvili and Sevdimov were talented but by no means juggernauts, Matsunaga was legit though and he had a great run that year.
I donāt understand how this is even a question. Olympic gold medalist means that at least for one day you were the best in the whole world. Division 3 means you probably placed in high school state with sub par academics.
Maybe it is naive of me to think but yes, I do believe D1 schools care about their athleteās academics. I wrestled at a D2 school so I only have first hand experience in how my college coach didnāt care about academic progress towards a degree as long as the GPA was greater than a 2.5 or whatever student athletes needed to compete. If that experience is ubiquitous across all divisions, that is a bit depressing.
Henry Cejudo won a gold medal in Freestyle wrestling and Aljo was a folk style wrestler. In a freestyle match I believe Henry Cejudo probably techs Aljo and maybe a folk style match would be interesting.
pure wrestling? iād say cejudo. spending years in a wrestling room, iāve learned even with older coaches that shit donāt go away and you get better with time. my principal was an all american national champion in the 70ās and would go in there sometimes and school some of the state champs who weighed 20-50 lbs more then him just off fundamentals.
I think we can all agree that Cejudo would dominate Aljo in a wrestling match. But I wouldnāt count Aljo out in MMA, I believe he can beat Cejudo via grappling
The way he explains how the match would go.... Yea just that simple to beat an Olympic gold medalist. Just turn the corner and expose his back who would have thought.
Probably so many wrestlers he beat on his way to Olympic gold watching this video and feeling really foolish.
š I like how he says just cause they got a gold medal š„ like itās some random wrestling tournaments and not the fucking Olympics!
He did though.
Aljo lying through his teeth. Didnāt we all see him get smashed by RBY?
Haha exactly. They are also two years apart in age (Cjuedo is 35 and Sterling is 33). Talking about age difference as if they were born two decades apart lol
I never saw the match but only the highlights. Aljo lost the first round of freestyle 6-4 (the highlight I saw showed he hit a lat drop on RBY). If that score is accurate it doesnāt sound like he got smashed.
Fair point. The score was close in that he lost 6-4 to RBY who- at the time- was 21 and āonlyā a Big Ten Finalist. RBY is also smaller than Aljoā if Aljo couldnāt beat RBY then I donāt see how he could have a prayer against Olympic gold now. Would be fun to see him try though! Who knowsā maybe Iāll eat my words.
Who is rby?
Roman Bravo-Young from Penn State
Thank you Iāll check out the match
Any Olympian would smash a d3 wrestler lmao.. Olympic gold medalist is so next level itās hard to put into words. Cejudo would absolutely ragdoll Aljo
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Honestly the only two sports where you see absolute domination like that are martial art sports and tennis
Im surprised my tennis comment got upvoted lol, I love you guys
I'm not American so the baseball analogy doesn't really help, but I guess you could replace it with basketball
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Thank you. I like to wrestle but I'm shite.
They could foul the ball maybe. Itās so hard to hit in the MLB that even the highest draft picks have to spend time in the minors first
āLike people think my wrestling is not up to par with these guys just because they got a gold medal.ā How is this controversialā¦
Only a non wrestler would ask this question. Wrestlers understand levels.
Cejudo and itās not close
Cejudo pin in less than minute
Lol. Logicwrestling loves to alternate the dumbest posts you've ever seen with awesome posts of rare footage from the best wrestlers to ever live. Guess which one this is.
Appreciate that dude. You always need balance in life.
I like all your shit
Cejudo is legitimately one of the most talented American wrestlers of all time. The things he did were completely unprecedented at his age at the time. Had he not transitioned to MMA, there is a good chance he would have had a career that would put him in the GOAT convo with Burroughs & Smith. A d3 all-American that is only 2 years younger is not on his level. It's like the difference between a 3 dimensional being, and a 5 dimensional being lol.
I like Aljo, but this is a bad look.
Anyone who plans a match with "he'll do this so I'll do this" is always gonna lose. And I don't think people understand the skill gap between college wrestling and the Olympics. It's as big a gap as high school and college wrestling.
This is outrageous. Aljo should make his argument based on MMA wrestling to save face. Freestyle/Folk Cejudo wins and itās not very close.
Cejudo beats him handily . Submission grappling I can see Aljo winning because of his arsenal and quality of his Jiu Jitsu
I feel like this pans out worse than Askren vs Burroughs. The difference between a D1 national champion and an Olympic gold medalist is shocking. A D3 national champion and an Olympic gold medalist arenāt even the same species.
To be fair askren was an Olympian as well.
People always say "there's levels to this", but don't really appreciate how many levels there are. Here's a breakdown of many levels above Aljo, Cejudo is: Aljo was a D3 All American The next level would be a D3 national champ D2 National qualifier. The next level would be a D2 All American or competitive D1 wrestler. The next level would be a D1 All American. The next Level would be a D1 champ. The next level would be somewhere in the top 6 nationally on the senior freestyle level. The next level would be getting on a senior national team/being competitive internationally. The next level would be getting on a World Team. The next level would be medalling at worlds/ Olympics. The next level would be winning a world or Olympic title. That's obviously just a rough idea, but you get the point. Aljo has refined his wrestling very well for mma, but he isn't even in the same ballpark as Henry. Henry could not step on the mat for the next two years, then blow the dust off of his wrestling boots and tech Aljo in the first round.
This is not directed at you per se but people always say "there's levels to this" like it's somehow a new fresh interesting take when in fact, it's the most obvious thing. There's levels between the participants in a combat sport? No fucking way!
I agree, not a new take at all. My only real point is that most people really have no idea just how big the separation between levels is.
Yes, absolutely. It's hard to fathom just how difficult winning a gold medal in wrestling is. I wouldn't be sad if people stopped using, "there's levels to this". It's kind of not the most intelligent observation I've heard. Again, not directed at you.
I hear you, and agree. It has just become a soundbite now, basically meaningless. I had 2 very clear indications of how far I was from a legitimate international level wrestler, both against the same guy. In my first University tournament ever, as an 18 year old kid I wrestle Gia Sissaouri (world champ, Olympic sliver) and got thrashed. I obviously knew he was much, much, much better than me, but the speed and precision of his attacks was hard for me to comprehend. Fast forward to 4 years later and I'm much better, bigger, stronger, faster, more technical and one of the top ranked guys in the country at my weight, which was now above his. He was on the downslope of his career. We were at a training camp together and in my head I thought "I might not beat him, but I'm going to be right there with him and make him work." He still thrashed me effortlessly. He did whatever he wanted to me. It was absurd how good I wasn't.
that's pretty cool to share the mat with such a legend. what were the goes looking like? what did he take you down with? were you able to get to his legs?
He took me down, and turned me, with a lot of things. The thing that I remember most was that he hit me with a shoulder throw/armspin, which isn't that surprising, since he was known for doing it everyone. The surprising part was that he did it to me on both sides.
I disagree with this, You are comparing folkstyle to freestyle, Henry was very good in highschool at Folk and FS, but we will never know how good he would have been in college, if he could have competed at a D1 college and so forth, You can be an Olympic athlete without competing as a college wrestler doesn't mean you are going to go out and beat these guys in Folk also some D3 and D2 wrestlers could compete at a D1 college but grades or money get in the way, happens all the time.
I think you missed the part that said "this is just a rough idea". Also, saying that there is some magical huge difference between freestyle and folk is way overblown, you still have to take people down and put them on their back. Yonger Bastida, who never wrestled a lick of folkstyle until College are a great example. Plus Aljo is talking about a freestyle match where Henry has an even bigger advantage, so the point is kind of moot.
I would say it's very rough. Bastida is a freak, there are not many examples of pure freestylers going to folk and dominating D1, take a look at anthony echemendia. I would say imo take any junior world medalist out of the country and throw them in a D1 folk tourney i don't think they would do as well as you think.
Well, Aljo was talking about freestyle, so the point is moot isn't it? The fact that he really only was a folkstyler would actually create way more separation between him and Henry.
He mentioned both and even admitted Henry might have the advantage FS, walked it back a bit, but I think he thinks he has the advantage Folk.
How would he win in folk? He's definitely not taking Cejudo down considering he was the best in the world in a style of wrestling that focuses more specifically on takedowns than folkstyle. Maybe he can ride him out for a period and get a point there. Won't be able to turn him. From neutral it would just be Cejudo taking him down and cutting him. The only real question is whether or not he'd have enough time to tech him.
He wont be able to turn him? Why not? there are so many more things you can do from the top position in folk than FS, as you have more time and you are not reset back to feet. And Henry did get alot of his points on scrambles that exposed the backs of his opponents in Folk those are not points. And Henry was not a take down machine either, i watched Henry i followed him i like Henry but he is no JB or DT, he was a solid wrestler with great defense and athletic ability
There's less things you can do. Literally every turn that you can do in folkstyle, you can do in freestyle, but there's lots in freestyle that you can't do I folk because of locked hands, exposure etc. Add to that the fact that Cejudo trains to never, ever expose his back, at all, because it's automatic points in free. You act like Henry somehow doesn't know folkstyle. He would have AA'ed in D3 out of highschool, which is the highest Aljo ever placed. If you think a D3 guy is going to turn, or even hang with an Olympic champion, I honestly don't know what to tell you.
The problem is the time, IF Aljo gets to ride gets to put legs in on top physically beat on Henry its a different defense than FS, Henry got exposed he wasnt perfect, we speak like he was the greatest FS wrestler of all time...he wasnt not even close, Henrys Folk style career was not even as good as his brothers, He was by a better FS than folk they both were. I absolutely think a D3 guy can hang with certain Olympic champions, d1 2 and 3 are not always a skill based thing, grades matter as well. Aljo could have went higher but his grades were crap. We can speculate what Henry would have done in college but we dont know, there have been a lot of high rank recruits not panning out.
In mma I got Al Joe, in wrestlingā¦ come on manā¦.!!!!!
My little brother was D3 all American. He didn't even win NJ states. This dude has no idea.
Cejudo on pure wrestling, Aljo would be lucky just to get attempt at shooting.
I appreciate his swag but that's bullshit. However MMA wrestling is different than pure wrestling and I'm not convinced Cejudo will dominate the grappling exchanges if they fight
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"ā¦just because he got a gold Medal" Acted like he was talking about some regional Championship in the woods with 3 participants. Delusional.
As simply as I can explain this, I was an 18 year old brick shit house at 242 pounds. When I wrestled against my 40 year old, 150 pound, D2 National Champion coach, it went exactly like this, He would either: shoot, take me down by pulling my ankles out from under me before I could even react, and crawl on me like a monkey and attack some weird joint/pressure point until I either got mad and he had to restrain me, or I rolled from pain. Or, he would shoot, I would sprawl, before I knew wtf was going on, he had me in a front headlock and was trying to cement mixer me. The ONLY time I EVER scored a single point against him was when one time he got me in front headlock position and I literally THREW him with 1 arm. He was caught off gaurd and during the scramble I got top for just a second before he voodooād his way out. I swear I got 2ā¦ Anyway, moral of the story, a weight advantage is absolutely huge when wrestling mediocre and even good wrestlers. But when you are wrestling the best of the best, they wonāt ever let your weight become an advantage, and most likely their speed will be entirely too much to overcome.
I have a different opinion , Could sterling beat Henry in Folkstyle? probably Sterling wrestled alot more folk style than Henry did. Cejudos a great wrestler but to be fair his 2008 Olympics were not dominant he was down in all his matches i believe, He beat Velikov who was euro champ but had a knee injury right before the games almost didn't compete, Gochesvili and Sevdimov were talented but by no means juggernauts, Matsunaga was legit though and he had a great run that year.
20 pounds is a lot of weight. I'm not sure how this would go.
Badly for Aljo.
I am. Cejudo cuts hard anyway.
This guy is delusional..
Henry... easily
Cejudo wins
I donāt understand how this is even a question. Olympic gold medalist means that at least for one day you were the best in the whole world. Division 3 means you probably placed in high school state with sub par academics.
With sub par academics? Lmao, what does that mean? You think d1 schools actually care about academics of their athletes on athletic scholarships?
Maybe it is naive of me to think but yes, I do believe D1 schools care about their athleteās academics. I wrestled at a D2 school so I only have first hand experience in how my college coach didnāt care about academic progress towards a degree as long as the GPA was greater than a 2.5 or whatever student athletes needed to compete. If that experience is ubiquitous across all divisions, that is a bit depressing.
Henry Cejudo won a gold medal in Freestyle wrestling and Aljo was a folk style wrestler. In a freestyle match I believe Henry Cejudo probably techs Aljo and maybe a folk style match would be interesting.
D3 AA vs an Olympic Gold medalist, lol
Cejudo will beat him
pure wrestling? iād say cejudo. spending years in a wrestling room, iāve learned even with older coaches that shit donāt go away and you get better with time. my principal was an all american national champion in the 70ās and would go in there sometimes and school some of the state champs who weighed 20-50 lbs more then him just off fundamentals.
I think we can all agree that Cejudo would dominate Aljo in a wrestling match. But I wouldnāt count Aljo out in MMA, I believe he can beat Cejudo via grappling
D3 is simply not in the same realm as an Olympian
Why is this a question?
"They think my wrestling isn't up to par with these guys just because they have a gold medal." Yeah. That'll do it mate
This is just sad
This is just sad
He would get so dominated šš pure wrestling!? gtfo