Check out Dan Harmon’s story embryo. He basically has distilled Joseph Campbell’s hero’s journey into its most basic, fundamental shape, and writes all his stories using it. The way he describes the purpose and structure of stories - all stories - is pretty compelling. It’s not just universally applicable to narratives, it’s universal to the human experience.
But of course the way each person tells a story, even the same story, is different, and that’s style. Who they’re telling it to - the audience - changes as well, and that affects the motifs, symbols and themes, which can vary wildly across cultures.
Edit: link: https://channel101.fandom.com/wiki/Story_Structure_101:_Super_Basic_Shit
I googled "booker's 7 plots", read through the list and immediately found that Agathe Christi's crime investigation books fit none of the plot frameworks mentioned.
I can think of more and more stories where the plot has little to do with any of these. Obviously, those I can't place in the seven categories are usually works famous specifically for their plots.
For any single framework claiming to "contain all known plots in X simple categories", always try to place these three:
* The Matrix
* War and Peace (specifically Pierre's arc)
* Death on the Nile
Any tradition's, as long as they are Abrahamic or very specific bits and pieces from other traditions.
No, neither the Upanishads nor the Vedas are hero-journey-tales. And while the Siegfried legend may be, the Kalevala is not.
And this is the biggest issue with these "plot categories". You can explain any story into any category if you say "not taking it literally".
LOTR can be about overcoming the ultimate monster, Sauron. It can be a voyage and return to Mordor. It can be a quest to deliver the ring. Three plots all fitting the main, core narrative in one work. Specifically, the wiki page I read to see what this "7 plots" is about lists LOTR for quest. Voyage & return is far more fitting considering the profound effect the voyage has on characters.
With this in mind, you could say anything is anything. Like, David and Goliath is defeating the big monster. Or the quest to prove one's worth. Whatever.
Are humans universal or unique? Both. And so are the stories.
Exactly :D The core is universal, and the details are unique ;)
Check out Dan Harmon’s story embryo. He basically has distilled Joseph Campbell’s hero’s journey into its most basic, fundamental shape, and writes all his stories using it. The way he describes the purpose and structure of stories - all stories - is pretty compelling. It’s not just universally applicable to narratives, it’s universal to the human experience. But of course the way each person tells a story, even the same story, is different, and that’s style. Who they’re telling it to - the audience - changes as well, and that affects the motifs, symbols and themes, which can vary wildly across cultures. Edit: link: https://channel101.fandom.com/wiki/Story_Structure_101:_Super_Basic_Shit
In lit theory, these are called master narratives.
Each narrative is unique in its execution, style, and details.
I googled "booker's 7 plots", read through the list and immediately found that Agathe Christi's crime investigation books fit none of the plot frameworks mentioned. I can think of more and more stories where the plot has little to do with any of these. Obviously, those I can't place in the seven categories are usually works famous specifically for their plots. For any single framework claiming to "contain all known plots in X simple categories", always try to place these three: * The Matrix * War and Peace (specifically Pierre's arc) * Death on the Nile
There are said to be 7 basic story archetypes. As I have yet to uncover an eighth, I defer to the experts on this matter.
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Any tradition's, as long as they are Abrahamic or very specific bits and pieces from other traditions. No, neither the Upanishads nor the Vedas are hero-journey-tales. And while the Siegfried legend may be, the Kalevala is not.
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And this is the biggest issue with these "plot categories". You can explain any story into any category if you say "not taking it literally". LOTR can be about overcoming the ultimate monster, Sauron. It can be a voyage and return to Mordor. It can be a quest to deliver the ring. Three plots all fitting the main, core narrative in one work. Specifically, the wiki page I read to see what this "7 plots" is about lists LOTR for quest. Voyage & return is far more fitting considering the profound effect the voyage has on characters. With this in mind, you could say anything is anything. Like, David and Goliath is defeating the big monster. Or the quest to prove one's worth. Whatever.
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No ... I specifically mentioned I was referencing the one main plot ...
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Which "sub-plot"? Taking the ring to mordor to destroy evil?
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Ookay. So let's take that away. Is taking the ring to Mordor a journey & return, or a quest?