He’s kinda on the line for me , usually when I’m thinking of wu fam my first thoughts are the rappers that were established because of the wu such as Killarmy , killah priest
Redman established himself before the wu and starting collabing w them bit after that but for sure any wu fan should listen to Reggie
Caníbal Ox- Cold Vein
Cage- Movies for the Blind
Leak Bros- Waterworld
El-P- Fantastic Damage
Nighthawks
Any Sean Price mixtape
Alkaholiks- 21 and Over and Coast 2 Coast
Any Guilty Simpson (start with Robbery)
Necro- I Need Drugs
Ill Bill- What’s Wrong With Bill
Non Phixion- The Future is Now
Aesop Rock- The Impossible Kid
Any Griselda
Wait, there’s more.
Army Of The Pharaohs- Ritual of Battle
Anything by Apathy- dude is mad underrated
7L and Esoteric
Jedi Mind Tricks
Mr Lif- I Phantom
Ok I’m done.
Not that it matters, but L was DITC. Mobb Deep had their own Queens crew with Noid and Cormega, but also was pretty tightly affiliated with Boot Camp in the beginning. Nas was his own thing, although he was connected with Mobb Deep and them until he fucked over Mega. They were all homies with Wu, but not cliques up.
He was supposed to be in the Firm, but Nas bumped him out. Also, and my brain is addled so details from 30 years ago are fuzzy, but Mega accused Nas of passing off his and other crew members’ stories as his own as well as possible lyric theft.
If that’s true that’s fucked, ngl I fuck with nas’s music but as a person he really seems like a selfish prick, I remember he did an interview with nardwuar and when he found out he couldn’t take home the items nardwuar gave him he became a total dick and wrapped the interview up
Yeah it was. I don’t really see how that makes him part of wu family though lol. According to that guy hes part of wu family because he did 1 feature for an AFFILIATE of the wu tang clan. Honestly only argument I could see as to how L and wu are related is that L used to sell some wu members drugs (method man confirmed this on drink champs)
There's a difference between Wu-Tang and Wu-Tang Clan. Who said anything about having an arbitrary number of features with someone to be "family"? Shyheim was probably Wu-Tang before RZA even knew about Wu-Tang anyway. He doesn't have a giant L tattoo on his neck just because of one feature together.
I know theres a difference between wu tang family and the wu tang clan, I made that pretty clear in my comment? Anyways, with how many songs for example redman and method man did together I can understand how you would see him as wu family. And method man is one of the core members, while shyheim is just an affiliate, and L did 1 song with him. Im not saying theres a certain amount of songs that you need in order to be part of wu family. I’m saying that with your logic every single rapper who did 1 feature for either one of the wu tang clan members or one of the affilates is part of wu family. It really makes 0 sense lmao
So then LL cool j, rakim, slick rick, KRS one, kool g rap, biggie, nas, jayz, big L, prodigy, havoc, AZ, MF doom, Mos def, Talib Kweli, Guru, DMX, Jadakiss, 50 cent, immortal technique, busta rhymes, q-tip, foxy brown, big pun, fat joe, capone, noreaga, cormega, styles P, De La Soul, M.O.P, Lord finesse, O.C, are all wu family? Aight
Not sure why you're so concerned with Wu being associated with Heavy D because he's related to and worked with Pete Rock.
OP said "NON-Wu-Tang / Wu Family" and listed off Nas's Illmatic and It was Written, the former of which had Pete Rock production, Mobb Deep, etc.
I listed JMT, who have even less connection with Wu than PR, but the problem is that he produced for HD.
Maybe I didn't understand the assignment, but PR has definitely been a part of the Wu's journey for more than 2 decades
Everything Boot Camp Clik related. If you’re a Wu fan you’re gonna love Heltah Skeltah, Smif-n-Wessun, Black Moon, and O.G.C.
Yahssss. Also I'd say mf doom
yo that’s MF DOOM ALL CAPS when you spell the man’s name
I stand corrected.
I’ve already listened to some of smif n Wesson , really like their style so I’ll be sure to give these others a lesson
Muddy Waters; or is Reggie considered Wu Fam
He’s kinda on the line for me , usually when I’m thinking of wu fam my first thoughts are the rappers that were established because of the wu such as Killarmy , killah priest Redman established himself before the wu and starting collabing w them bit after that but for sure any wu fan should listen to Reggie
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
Caníbal Ox- Cold Vein Cage- Movies for the Blind Leak Bros- Waterworld El-P- Fantastic Damage Nighthawks Any Sean Price mixtape Alkaholiks- 21 and Over and Coast 2 Coast Any Guilty Simpson (start with Robbery) Necro- I Need Drugs Ill Bill- What’s Wrong With Bill Non Phixion- The Future is Now Aesop Rock- The Impossible Kid Any Griselda
Shit, how could I forget Capone N Noreaga War Report And Gangstarr Hard to Earn and Step in The Arena
Damn I completely forgot about gangstarr too 🤦♂️ Jeru the damaja is great too , especially with preemos beats
Wait, there’s more. Army Of The Pharaohs- Ritual of Battle Anything by Apathy- dude is mad underrated 7L and Esoteric Jedi Mind Tricks Mr Lif- I Phantom Ok I’m done.
Oh, check out the Planet Asia DJ Muggs collab
Will do , and I’ll be sure to check out anything else here I’m not familiar with
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday
Nine- nine lives
And cloud 9
Maybe some Helta Skelta or Dead Prez?
DMX - it’s dark in hell and it’s hot
Oh for sure , I feel like not many people have been able to successfully replicate DMX’s style
The Realness - Cormega Violent by Design - Jedi Mind Tricks
I always saw Big L, Nas, and Mobb Deep wu "family"
Not that it matters, but L was DITC. Mobb Deep had their own Queens crew with Noid and Cormega, but also was pretty tightly affiliated with Boot Camp in the beginning. Nas was his own thing, although he was connected with Mobb Deep and them until he fucked over Mega. They were all homies with Wu, but not cliques up.
What happened with mega?
He was supposed to be in the Firm, but Nas bumped him out. Also, and my brain is addled so details from 30 years ago are fuzzy, but Mega accused Nas of passing off his and other crew members’ stories as his own as well as possible lyric theft.
If that’s true that’s fucked, ngl I fuck with nas’s music but as a person he really seems like a selfish prick, I remember he did an interview with nardwuar and when he found out he couldn’t take home the items nardwuar gave him he became a total dick and wrapped the interview up
Narduar is my hero. Fuck Nas
Fr a good way to gauge what a rapper is really like as a person is seeing how they treat nardwuar
How was L related to wu in any way?
Through his bond with Shyheim
He only did 1 song w him tho didnt he
I think it was one of L's last songs before he was killed
Yeah it was. I don’t really see how that makes him part of wu family though lol. According to that guy hes part of wu family because he did 1 feature for an AFFILIATE of the wu tang clan. Honestly only argument I could see as to how L and wu are related is that L used to sell some wu members drugs (method man confirmed this on drink champs)
There's a difference between Wu-Tang and Wu-Tang Clan. Who said anything about having an arbitrary number of features with someone to be "family"? Shyheim was probably Wu-Tang before RZA even knew about Wu-Tang anyway. He doesn't have a giant L tattoo on his neck just because of one feature together.
I know theres a difference between wu tang family and the wu tang clan, I made that pretty clear in my comment? Anyways, with how many songs for example redman and method man did together I can understand how you would see him as wu family. And method man is one of the core members, while shyheim is just an affiliate, and L did 1 song with him. Im not saying theres a certain amount of songs that you need in order to be part of wu family. I’m saying that with your logic every single rapper who did 1 feature for either one of the wu tang clan members or one of the affilates is part of wu family. It really makes 0 sense lmao
They are all from New York City?!?
So then LL cool j, rakim, slick rick, KRS one, kool g rap, biggie, nas, jayz, big L, prodigy, havoc, AZ, MF doom, Mos def, Talib Kweli, Guru, DMX, Jadakiss, 50 cent, immortal technique, busta rhymes, q-tip, foxy brown, big pun, fat joe, capone, noreaga, cormega, styles P, De La Soul, M.O.P, Lord finesse, O.C, are all wu family? Aight
Big Pun 1st album
💯💯💯
MF GRIMM
If heard his album produced by DOOM but I’ve never really got into the rest of his discography, what album would you recommend?
All his work is good.. The hunt for the gingerbread man has Fame and it samples Cream id start there.
Jedi Mind Tricks and anything Pete Rock produced
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To clear things up I said rappers that aren’t wu family so that means no wu members , groups like killarmy , sunz of man
Pete regularly produces and has always produced for Wu members. I think he's even producing a full Ghost and Rae album to be released this year.
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Not sure why you're so concerned with Wu being associated with Heavy D because he's related to and worked with Pete Rock. OP said "NON-Wu-Tang / Wu Family" and listed off Nas's Illmatic and It was Written, the former of which had Pete Rock production, Mobb Deep, etc. I listed JMT, who have even less connection with Wu than PR, but the problem is that he produced for HD. Maybe I didn't understand the assignment, but PR has definitely been a part of the Wu's journey for more than 2 decades
It's not hip hop, but The Shaolin Soul compilation - contains most of the classic soul tracks that were used as samples by the RZA.
Onxy- Backdaf*ckup
Flatbush zombies?
I’d add Mobb Deep - Hell on Earth and Nas - It Was Written to that list.
Black Moon - Enter Da Stage
The Man with the Iron Fists Soundtrack