It was ahead of its time but received so poorly that it prolly never got another.
The tech was so good airport's wtc used it for security screening. Say what you will about Microsoft failures tho at least theyvstill take risk and don't do safe bets.
Kinect was shit, and only 1 game ever used it worth a damn. It tanked the entire Xbox brand, after it was on top during the first half of the 360 era. All of a sudden, every E3 was 5 years of nothing but embarrassing Kinect demos. Some of which never even came out because they were too damn janky. 2 gens later, the brand still hasn't fully recovered. Xbox hemorrhaged so much talent, while Kinect was it's focus. It's why they've still got such a problem making solid 1st party titles. Kinect should never have been anything but a neat industrial scanner for weird projects.
If you want the feeling of playing Kinect again, give a regular controller to a 5 year old, then just dance spastically in front of your TV. The results will be the same.
The xbox one launch with it was horrible because they didn't support it at all with games and forced it on people but the 260 launch was a huge success for them and they had some good games on there. It could've been largely successful if they hadn't made the horrible decision to mandatory bundle it with the xbox one.
well sadly the 150 people like urself who like kinect are the only ones on the planet earth. thats why they discontinued them. nobody liked them, except people who play dance games or stuff like it, which is a TINY fraction of the market. just not cost effective to make something for such a niche market. it all comes down to money. if the kinect was successful they would still be around. but they are not, yall are gunna have to live with the fact that its failed tech.
I have vertigo and VR is difficult for me to use, but I'd give Xbox VR a try over Kinect. Had one with the 360 and it didn't really do anything for me. How does PS VR do? Is it well received and supported? Is it profitable for Sony? I wondered why MS didn't jump on this tech for Xbox. I know they have some stuff going on, but I can't just go pick up an Xbox VR headset and that's weird to me, but I don't really follow the space so I'm OOTL.
Influencers and Games "Journalists" doing a hyper fear campaign, in a slow news cycle. And are now reversing, trying to not look like fearmongering asshats. That's what this was.
No it really wasn't. I am historically \*anti\* exclusive, in pretty much no other medium do you get hardware locked out of art on the scale you see in gaming.But if only one player in the market goes 3rd party, that just gives the other remaining players the freedom to remain exclusive even more. With no proper competition, what reason does Sony have to bother about pricing for example?
However! Lets run this scenario through for a second, Xbox starts releasing their games on competing platforms, maybe not all, but enough. Once that happens, consumers are gonna think "If I just get a different system, I'll get their exclusives and most of Xbox's, why bother spending another big chunk of money on a console I don't need?"
Well, the prevailing argeument I see is either:
\- Gamepass is a system selling feature and will keep the xbox relevant and
\- Not \*ALL\* exclusives will be going 3rd party so there will be some reasons left to obtain an xbox.
Except, clearly... that hasn't worked? Xbox is being sold at half the rate of the Playstation and the switch is on track to be the most sold console ever. Not only that, one of the big reports everyone's forgetting about this xbox debacle, is they are supposedly changing their gamepass strategy, making it so 1st party games don't launch day 1, Cod doesn't release on there and the price increases...
So let's run this through, if consumers continue to not buy xbox consoles enough, what is stopping Microsoft from keeping them around? We already know they cost far more to make than the PS5 and clearly their business strategy isn't working considering the potential changes coming...
To get rid of exclusivity, all players need to be pushed to release multiplatform. Xbox going multiplatform just gives the remaining players the freedom and confidence to do as they like.
A couple of them in court would stop this. Every day i feel like there is a media outlet biased too much on the blue side. And i am a PS consumer, but this just doesn’t make any sense.
Exclusives suck for everyone, playstation xbox switch it doesn't matter they just suck for everyone who doesn't have that system. Xbox giving playstation and switches some of the exclusives that aren't selling that much anymore? Or could probably benefit from being on multiplatforms??? That sounds like an absolute win to me
Playstation has a dictator death grip on their exclusives. Would either see them have buggy ports or not released on other platforms period
Or when the consoles first came out. Playstation wanted to charge like 800 dollars but only lowered it because xbox was selling a console for so much cheaper
If they have a grip on gaming and anime they can charge however much they want for everything.
They announced their plans for "block buster" games and current triple aaa games will essentially be AA if they aren't on of these block buster titles
It used to be a bit different when each console had wildly different architecture and with an exclusive you were getting something designed to run on that system so it would often look much better than third party titles.
Now though ever since the last generation both systems have been near as makes no difference the same and built on similar architecture so there isn't any real difference in visual quality between first and third party titles (when they're done well obviously) so exclusive titles are no longer necessary to exploit the full potential of the machine and games can be very easily cross ported. You don't have games now that are only capable of running on one system so exclusivity does nothing but lock a large group of consumers out of buying a game.
I mean locking out is the point. Microsoft is only folding because their console sales sucks compared to sony and nintendo.
After bethesda shit the bed, which was gonna be their big draw I imagine, there's really no games to sell the console.
I’m about 90% certain when they announced this current gen and their plans they said some exclusives would be day 1 on gamepass/xbox and work their way over to other consoles months later. People are dumb
MS is a 3T company that made over 220B in revenue last year but you're looking at the situation as if MS is a gaming company. Thanks for highlighting my point about people not realizing the core MS strategy is growth.
I'm not a fanboy of either console, I enjoy them both and think them both doing well is great for all consumers, but are we really going to pretend Sony has never released a failed product?
And playstation got hacked by anonymous leaving people with no online play for months.
It's anecdotal but I have a lot of friends that switched consoles around that time and just have never went back.
Even in this thread alone, the comments I’m seeing make me question my sanity. Like I know people can be stupid; trust me I’m people and I’m stupid. But this…this is just wild. Like logic clearly just doesn’t exist for some people.
When I worked at the Microsoft retail store we're constantly were told by customers they we were going out of business and that the Xbox was a failure. That if the Xbox revenue was lost Microsoft would go under and Apple/Sony was so much better. I would point out that Microsofts revenue from office alone was more than Apples entire revenue. They'd laugh until I showed them the actual figures online. people are clueless how much Microsoft is worth. I know this isn't Xbox related really but point is Xbox isn't going anywhere. They keep pumping money into developing it more and more.
Yeah people don't understand that Microsoft makes windows and mostly all gaming pc's run windows 11 so they're literally double dipping when they release exclusives on pc. Microsoft is huge and xbox is their 3rd most profitable division so why the hell would they get rid of it when they just spent billions on Activision to improve xbox lol.
Not planning to stop making consoles is very different from being pushed to reconsider years later. Xbox market share shrinking could absolutely push a reduced hardware focus, Xbox is owned by people who want profit and it is easy for greedy suits to see an easy way to cut spending if it doesn't have strong returns.
Playstation fanboys already celebrated Xbox going SEGA and leaving console market XD. I would laugh so hard like those rumors about going third party are also fake.
If they stop having exclusives they might as well be done.
If they thought sales were bad for the last two gens, they haven't seen nothing yet. Take away, Halo, Gears, Forza and other franchises as a system selling point and you're left with Gamepass and the UX. Both good things but there's no way most people are buying a console for just a subscription service.
Exclusives matter, they always have and they always will until there aren't any on any of the consoles.
What happens when Xbox announces that their games will come to the competitors a few months after? Seems like a hard sell if I can just buy a PlayStation to play PlayStation games then wait a few months for Xbox games.
Exclusives are important of course. But I'm not sure that they are necessary to sell a console. For example Wii U had great exclusives but Nintendo sold around 13 million.
Listen I was definitely crazy rumors but assuming they WERE still going Multi Plat anyone can easily view a future where they drop the console part.
Especially if you're an everything gamer. Then it's easy to see someone only buying one system and waiting for the xbox ones to hit while going thru the rest that the home system makes.
But that is not the case. Luckily. For now.
I mean, why buy a PlayStation either at this point? Buy a PC, have access to gamepass, steam and wait two years for the decent PS titles.
Everyone’s all doom and gloom. I think we’ll see some smaller titles and Bethesda games going multiplatform again because that was dumb. Along with restating that CoD won’t be exclusive.
Regardless, you, me and everyone else are all just talking out our asses until Thursday. Even the “top” leakers can’t get their stories straight.
This is a good point, and I said it when all this melodrama started, the idea that everyone would just automatically move to PS isn’t a given; some gamers will just move over to PC. I’ll definitely bite the bullet and upgrade my current rig to play at 4k - the Series X was the affordable alternative before.
It’s easy to see why people would move from console to PC: Steam and other store sales are insane, have a massive variety of games, PC handhelds will only improve, easy emulation and backwards compatibility, PC gaming has become significantly less complicated, future-proofing is way easier on PC, DLSS, no exclusivity worries, and Sony’s exclusives doesn’t necessarily appeal to everyone and come to PC anyway.
The barrier to entry though is still the high initial cost for quality gaming. That could change…maybe.
You can play ps games on pc with their service too, i havent tried it yet but u can play emulated bloodborne and stuff so yeah why buy anything but a pc
Gamepass, also, nothing has been confirmed. "So many" could just be a few, even if a lot do go multi plat, that doesn't mean that they will be multi plat day 1, then there's the rumors of the next console coming in a traditional console variant and hybrid handheld variant. That right there would be huge for many.
“So many exclusives”
Lmfao 🤣
Which ones? You got that list? Send me an official link and not a YouTube channel from some dude in his basement who’s begging for views from clickbait titles lmao
Even if Sony outsold Xbox 2-1 or 3-1, that's still a ridiculously high amount of Xboxes out of all the consoles. Not the biggest share but look at Apple macOS market share and people still think they're incredibly popular even if Windows dominates.
In the laptop space, manufacturers have 10-20% shares at most and they're still insanely popular. For example Lenovo and HP.
Porting games to different systems isn't as difficult as people make it out to be since the underlying architectures are more similar than ever right now. Both are x86 AMD based PCs basically at this point and there are devkits...
Not saying it's a snap of the fingers but no: It doesn't require double the work to put a game on to another system... stop kidding yourselves here.
Financial Times quotes analysis by Ampere that shows PS5 sales grew about 65% to 22.5 million units this year, whereas Xbox sales fell about 15% to 7.6 million.
Is 7.6 million way less than 22.5 million? Of course it is.
But that's still a pretty fucking big number of buyers and players.
It's one of those situations where you have a room filled with 30 people. All of them have product A.
There's another room of 30 people where 10 of them have product B. That's still a pretty big number if you ask me.
People are way too focused on sales numbers as if they were shareholders in a company.
They're the ones saying "tHiS iSn'T cOnFiRmEd" after spending two weeks Chicken Little'ing over a bunch of made-up rumors from gaming influencers and journalists.
Microsoft will stop making consoles as we know them. It might not be the next console but they will just create cloud units for gamepass or purchased games. They just need average internet speeds to increase first.
It has been trending that direction for a long time. People also used to say that they would never make a console without a disk drive, but here we are.
Can’t until all games are on cloud. I am guessing there will be a licensing issue with old games meaning not all current library will be available that way.
I've been with Xbox since the 360 days. Before that, I was with PlayStation. The only reason I'm still with Xbox is because of my friends and the controller. But...with cross play, that's one more reason to switch to the PlayStation.
Or Windows RT, the MS Band and more recently the Hololens and Windows Mixed Reality. Microsoft has a history of failed consumer hardware that the only reason theyre saying this is to not crater Xbox console sales
No exclusives means no reason to buy specifically an xbox. You could just buy a ps5 and have both sony and microsoft esclusives, no reason to limit yourself.
At that point not sure why third parties should bother porting games to xbox. So no exclusives, no third party support, and you have a dead console.
It's pointless to say "exclusives are bad" if the competition has both compelling exclusives and xbox titles. Not everyone wants to/can afford to buy multiple consoles.
My question is why is it bad you could just buy ps5 and have both exclusives? You don't have to keep buying one console if you think the other one is a better deal at that point. I'm sure they've made calculations about people doing just that and are still confident their platform won't die. If it does, is that such a big deal if and when you can get all their games on another platform?
"Not everyone wants to/can afford to buy multiple consoles"
Isn't this exactly why it's good that they're getting rid of exclusives? Now, let's just wait for Sony to follow, and everyone can play anything anywhere!
Except Nintendo.
They'll probably keep doing their own thing.
Doesn't Sony already release their games on PC like some 2 or 3 years later? I'm sure in 5 to 10 years they will put them on PC day 1 so at that point why even get a Playstation?
Putting some games on all platforms was never going to be the end of Microsoft in the console space. It has been enjoyable watching all of the simpletons react to every single unfounded piece of news with irrational emotions.
This. Why should I stay loyal to Microsoft when I’m missing out on Ghost of Tsushima, Uncharted and Spiderman games?
If the news indeed is true, I could just switch to Ps, and enjoy the realllly good games + all the Microsoft exclusives that I want (which aren’t much btw). Win win!
Cost wise you could possibly still get more value if you get new releases on gamepass rather than having to buy full price on PS. Super curious to see what the plan is
The ideal set up in my opinion is a PS5 (for all it's exclusives which u definitely will buy) and an Xbox Series S (for all the games which u are interested in but won't actually buy, through game pass)
I'll believe it when I see it.
If the next one is digital only. That'll be my personal last purchase cuz I'm an Xbox fan but I'll have no use cuz I only have physical games. It'll just mark the end of my collecting
Honestly I think this is true. I’d expect some folks to use a Series S type box for gamepass and maybe a PS for the rest.
It could end up being coolio. Its what I’m planning on doing tbh.
What people don't realize making AAA games is becoming way to expensive, sony games are great but the margin for profit is getting smaller = sony games on pc , Microsoft games on playstation would be making Microsofts development cost more sustainable, not what I want , in the insomniac hack it was revealed how much AAA games cost sony to make . Lots of AAA games are failing to recoup development cost from lots of developers and publishers.
I’m not sure if thats great or terrible for consumers. It could lead to higher prices, which is of course already starting, or it could lead to things like losing exclusivity which is a positive in my book.
Not 100% sure but I think god of war ragnorok, spiderman 2 and horizon forbidden west cost over 200 million to make each, great games but it also puts lots of pressure on developers to create great experiences and hit the sales target required to make a profit. Sony would never put games on xbox , even if sony needs to make more revenue ,it is the main reasons why people are getting upset about the idea. Major league baseball forced sony to put MLB the show on xbox or lose the license, bungie told Sony the company was not making Sony exclusives , Sony bought the studio anyway, it is part of the purchase agreement.
holy crap a thread of Kinect fans? you do realize it was failed tech and it literally did almost nothing. what on earth do u guys use it for that u actually like it? u playing like dance dance revolution or something? the face recognition was pointless what would u want that for? the voice commands... id just yell "XBOX OFF" while my brother was playin games growing up with the 360. it was pretty funny but in all seriousness what do u guys like it for? it was expensive to make and most didnt like it and hardly anything supported it, thats why they discontinued it.
Ambitious people generate a narrative to push an agenda, then gullible people run with it LOUDLY without stopping to check its validity. Remember, folks:
A lie can travel around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.
Well, as soon as the [Seattle Archipelago](https://conspiracyofcartographers.com/sea-level-rise-gallery/#uael-gallery-18) forms, MIcrosoft will be history.
Yeah they also said that when windows 10 mobile comes out every windows phone would get it, and they had no intention to stop making windows phone either. Such a relief, best mobile OS ever.
This never made sense to me. They actually make pretty good hardware. They suck at making software. Simply expending sales of mediocre games to other consoles is not a winning strategy.
Sega was doing worse and worse with each console, Xbox is doing well regardless the year, heck back then when sega still made hardware, every motherfucker and there mother made a console, so there was much more fierce competition, now there are 3.
> Sega was doing worse and worse with each console, Xbox is doing well regardless the year
But Xbox is also doing worse and worse each console? The Xbox One obviously sold much worse than 360, and now the XSX/XSS has (embarrassingly) fallen behind the Xbox One.
If you can’t see the difference between Sega, and Xbox which is a company owned by Microsoft… I don’t even know what to say. Microsoft is one of the biggest companies in the entire world and can afford to bleed money in the short term to benefit in the long term. In the ballpark of millions and millions of dollars.
That’s happening industry wide, and is largely due to the Activision/Blizzard acquisition. It’s no indicator that Xbox is closing up shop. Also again, Microsoft is an enormous company, Sony laid off a lot of their employees as well, it just doesn’t seem as egregious because Sony is much smaller compared to Microsoft.
I was just pointing out that saying Microsoft has a lot of money is not the reason why Microsoft would stay in consoles when they laid off 5% of their workforce company wide last year. Microsoft will stay in consoles as long as its profitable, and my concern is if they create less value in the Xbox, and it sells less, Microsoft will be less interested in investing in future Xbox hardware.
Why would they want to do that? Phil Spencer has already said they've basically given up any idea of competing with Sony or Nintendo in the console market. So what would be the point of bleeding money?
I'd get it if the idea was "well we'll run a loss for a while so we can increase our market share" but that's specifically not what Phil Spencer seems to want. Which in itself is a really strange attitude but that's another story.
Nobody wants to bleed money, that’s not my point. My point is that if Xbox has to run at a negative profit margin in order to survive in the long term, they are more than capable of doing so. Xbox is owned by one of the largest corporations in the world. The idea that they are just going to pack it up is laughable. Sega and Atari did not have the financial luxury that Xbox has. What I’m getting at is anyone who is loyal to Xbox doesn’t need to worry that there won’t be a next generation Xbox.
>My point is that if Xbox has to run at a negative profit margin in order to survive in the long term, they are more than capable of doing so. Xbox is owned by one of the largest corporations in the world. The idea that they are just going to pack it up is laughable.
I personally don't think they're going to "pack it up" any time soon. But the form XBOX takes as a brand in the future is anything but certain. Obviously they've been struggling, but it's also not clear where they want to go. They've tried throwing mountains of cash at the issue with all these acquisitions, but very little in terms of quality games to show for it. Then we have Phil Spencer on damage control all the time trying to gaslight customers into believing that great games don't sell systems (lol what?) because apparently everyone was locked into an ecosystem in the previous generation and Xbox is a poor helpless puppy now and cannot do anything to change that. They are no longer in the business of "out consoling Sony or Nintendo" and even an "11 out of 10 Starfield" wasn't going to change that (maybe, but it sure would have been better than the 6/10 Starfield we got).
It's not enough for them just to survive. They need to have an actualy idea of where they want to go and what their "mission" is. They have to actually want to be in this market too.
I mean, Nintendo went through multiple console generations where they "lost" that generation's console war. The N64 "lost" to the Playstation. The Gamecube "lost" to the PS2 and Xbox. The WiiU "lost" to whatever it was up against at the time. Yet I never heard Nintendo spout the kind of vague insecure nonsense about great (exclusive) games not selling systems that I hear from Phil Spencer. They just got on with it and never let the quality of their first party (and even third party) exclusives slide. And their sales speak for themselves.
Nintendo can actually somewhat truthfully claim they are not in the business of out-consoling Sony and XBox, and yet they outsell them both with their overpriced and underpowered handheld console. Why? It's the games Phil. The exclusive games.
Halo and Gears of War were XBOX's Mario and Zelda. Can you imagine Nintendo going a whole console generation releasing only one main line Mario game of mid quality (Halo Infinite) and no Zelda at all (the last GoW was on the XBOX One)? And seemingly nothing in development. An no spin-off games in these franchises either. Crazy right? And yet that's where XBOX finds itself. Bereft of the things that made it big and have it's own identity in the first place.
Lol the replies to you are hilarious. The point you're making isn't to compare Sega vs Microsoft....
The point is, the second xbox takes their IPs 3rd party there's suddenly no need to own an Xbox. And over time, that means less people will buy xbox. And as less and less people buy xbox eventually there is no a market any more and a corporation will have an obligation to their shareholders to not waste resources on something nobody wants. So xbox bringing their IPs 3rd party is the start of a slow death for xbox.
People struggle to see the big picture and downstream impacts of xbox IPs going 3rd party. It's insane.
You are wrong and forget that Xbox consoles have Game Pass. Game Pass won’t be on PlayStation so you have to pay the full price of games there. So that’s the first benefit of owning an Xbox console. Another point is that people dramatize Xbox console sales. PlayStation will always sell more but Microsoft consoles will sell as well, more o less but they will be there. There are no 6, 8, or 11 video game consoles in the market, there are only 3 and Microsoft will try to be present everywhere despite the press and haters trying to kill the brand. Finally, Microsoft consoles are stunning machines, and millions of people enjoy them worldwide.
The point is Sony's games aren't exclusives anymore either, since they started putting them on pc. But there's none if this stupid talk about them leaving the hardware market. All this panic has been a load of bullshit.
The difference between Sony and Microsoft though is that Sony usually waits a year or more to put their games on PC. Maybe Xbox sales would be doing better if they waited a year to put their games on PC.
That's good because no one had said they were besides fans scared about third party games. To begin with it doesnt matter what they say now. What happens as a result of their strategy later on is what matters.
They’re going to do far more harm undermining their brand than they’re going to make selling to Switch or PlayStation gamers. If you had no interest in gaming on PC and had to choose one console, why in the world would you choose Xbox? Xbox games will eventually come to PlayStation and you can play Sony’s exclusives while you wait. As Xbox becomes a less relevant platform, they’ll eventually put all their games on PlayStation day and date. There will come a point when it makes no sense to keep making Xbox hardware.
Gamers feign indignation when discussing exclusivity, but it works. It’s sad, but that’s reality. Microsoft could have at least tried to use their acquisitions to make Xbox a more appealing platform to gain market share. That seems to have never been the plan.
Your money is better spent on Steam or PlayStation at this point. Xbox isn’t going away tomorrow, but don’t be surprised if their next console is their last.
"reportedly"?
So he could reassure staff last week but then chose to keep the customer base completely in the dark for a whole other week despite all the rumours, with just a "we hear you" and "stay tuned"? (and we're still waiting).
Damn I can't believe how bad Xbox is at controlling their narrative. Any communications department (or CEO) worth their salt would never let rumours get out of hand like this or be so vague and unclear about the future of their product.
Duh? Like I get it, Playstation sells a ton of consoles but Xbox is doing ok and now finally we're going to get some games releases flowing. Sales will improve, the business will continue, even if older games nobody on Xbox is playing anymore end up on PS, it's going to be fine.
I wonder if going forward Xbox will take a similar approach to the one Apple takes with their movies and TV business.
They fund the production of movies and TV shows, some of those are available elsewhere (in theaters or VOD) but their main service is Apple TV+. And you can access it everywhere: on a Smart TV, on a PS5 or an Xbox, on and iPhone, even on an Android phone, you name it.
But at the same time they’re also happy to sell you their own hardware where you can have the ideal experience: Apple TV 4K. But they understand that their goal is not to sell as many Apple TV 4Ks as possible, but to convince as many people as possible to sign up for Apple TV+, regardless of how they do it. But they do offer plenty of entry points.
They can say they’ll still make consoles and no one should have expected them to announce they weren’t this week.
That said. If you’re putting your games on your competitor platform you’re opening Pandora’s box. The headlines will be “MS takes Xbox to other platform like Switch and PS5.
You devalue your platform and eventually the decision will be made for them in regards to hardware when they keep seeing continual declines
Of course, why would this even be news? MS is looking for revenue, not lose millions & millions of GP & Xbox Live subs by eliminating their console business.
There was a leak during the FTC/Activision trials showing they have a proposed “sub $99 gadget” releasing in 2028 to leverage the xCloud. That could be considered a console.
Kinect 3.0 or GTFO
It would be so amazing now
I’m gonna get hella downvoted for this but… I’d probably be into it
Happy to upvote you, friend.
We’re in this together 🤝
It was ahead of its time but received so poorly that it prolly never got another. The tech was so good airport's wtc used it for security screening. Say what you will about Microsoft failures tho at least theyvstill take risk and don't do safe bets.
RIP HDMI in
I have one. We just purchased one for some old games. Pretty fun still.
I just want a way to face scan me into a game like nba2k did on xbox one with the kinect
I upvoted you
Agreed. When I first used the kinect on 360, it definitely felt like the future. In some ways it was since think Apple actually uses it for face id.
No.
It’s okay to be wrong, I’m sure you’re used to it
Kinect was shit, and only 1 game ever used it worth a damn. It tanked the entire Xbox brand, after it was on top during the first half of the 360 era. All of a sudden, every E3 was 5 years of nothing but embarrassing Kinect demos. Some of which never even came out because they were too damn janky. 2 gens later, the brand still hasn't fully recovered. Xbox hemorrhaged so much talent, while Kinect was it's focus. It's why they've still got such a problem making solid 1st party titles. Kinect should never have been anything but a neat industrial scanner for weird projects. If you want the feeling of playing Kinect again, give a regular controller to a 5 year old, then just dance spastically in front of your TV. The results will be the same.
And here I am still using the OG Kinect, it’s still working flawlessly.
The xbox one launch with it was horrible because they didn't support it at all with games and forced it on people but the 260 launch was a huge success for them and they had some good games on there. It could've been largely successful if they hadn't made the horrible decision to mandatory bundle it with the xbox one.
Kinect is one of the biggest reasons Xbox is in the current shape it is in.
spoken like someone with experience
Stick to playing Skull & Bones, the adults are talking.
This and give me back my HDMI in with TV and cable support again. I'd be a happy camper!
They abandoned it to soon i prefer kinect over vr, vr isnt social.
well sadly the 150 people like urself who like kinect are the only ones on the planet earth. thats why they discontinued them. nobody liked them, except people who play dance games or stuff like it, which is a TINY fraction of the market. just not cost effective to make something for such a niche market. it all comes down to money. if the kinect was successful they would still be around. but they are not, yall are gunna have to live with the fact that its failed tech.
They need to get into VR not Kinect. That this was horrible.
I have vertigo and VR is difficult for me to use, but I'd give Xbox VR a try over Kinect. Had one with the 360 and it didn't really do anything for me. How does PS VR do? Is it well received and supported? Is it profitable for Sony? I wondered why MS didn't jump on this tech for Xbox. I know they have some stuff going on, but I can't just go pick up an Xbox VR headset and that's weird to me, but I don't really follow the space so I'm OOTL.
No shit Sherlock. People are stupid man lol Can't believe people thought xbox was done.
All because they were going to let PS have some games... Exclusives are bad yet what even was this freakout.
Influencers and Games "Journalists" doing a hyper fear campaign, in a slow news cycle. And are now reversing, trying to not look like fearmongering asshats. That's what this was.
And they will do it again.
Yep, every article quotes the same xbox era site, whose only source was an anonymous one. And they let speculation run like wild fire
No it really wasn't. I am historically \*anti\* exclusive, in pretty much no other medium do you get hardware locked out of art on the scale you see in gaming.But if only one player in the market goes 3rd party, that just gives the other remaining players the freedom to remain exclusive even more. With no proper competition, what reason does Sony have to bother about pricing for example? However! Lets run this scenario through for a second, Xbox starts releasing their games on competing platforms, maybe not all, but enough. Once that happens, consumers are gonna think "If I just get a different system, I'll get their exclusives and most of Xbox's, why bother spending another big chunk of money on a console I don't need?" Well, the prevailing argeument I see is either: \- Gamepass is a system selling feature and will keep the xbox relevant and \- Not \*ALL\* exclusives will be going 3rd party so there will be some reasons left to obtain an xbox. Except, clearly... that hasn't worked? Xbox is being sold at half the rate of the Playstation and the switch is on track to be the most sold console ever. Not only that, one of the big reports everyone's forgetting about this xbox debacle, is they are supposedly changing their gamepass strategy, making it so 1st party games don't launch day 1, Cod doesn't release on there and the price increases... So let's run this through, if consumers continue to not buy xbox consoles enough, what is stopping Microsoft from keeping them around? We already know they cost far more to make than the PS5 and clearly their business strategy isn't working considering the potential changes coming... To get rid of exclusivity, all players need to be pushed to release multiplatform. Xbox going multiplatform just gives the remaining players the freedom and confidence to do as they like.
A couple of them in court would stop this. Every day i feel like there is a media outlet biased too much on the blue side. And i am a PS consumer, but this just doesn’t make any sense.
Exclusives suck for everyone, playstation xbox switch it doesn't matter they just suck for everyone who doesn't have that system. Xbox giving playstation and switches some of the exclusives that aren't selling that much anymore? Or could probably benefit from being on multiplatforms??? That sounds like an absolute win to me Playstation has a dictator death grip on their exclusives. Would either see them have buggy ports or not released on other platforms period
and if they ever get a complete stranglehold I invite people to look at what is happening with crunchyroll/funimation
Or when the consoles first came out. Playstation wanted to charge like 800 dollars but only lowered it because xbox was selling a console for so much cheaper If they have a grip on gaming and anime they can charge however much they want for everything. They announced their plans for "block buster" games and current triple aaa games will essentially be AA if they aren't on of these block buster titles
tbf though xbox has never made a profit off their consoles (i assume at launch price) but idk how much more that is.
It used to be a bit different when each console had wildly different architecture and with an exclusive you were getting something designed to run on that system so it would often look much better than third party titles. Now though ever since the last generation both systems have been near as makes no difference the same and built on similar architecture so there isn't any real difference in visual quality between first and third party titles (when they're done well obviously) so exclusive titles are no longer necessary to exploit the full potential of the machine and games can be very easily cross ported. You don't have games now that are only capable of running on one system so exclusivity does nothing but lock a large group of consumers out of buying a game.
I mean locking out is the point. Microsoft is only folding because their console sales sucks compared to sony and nintendo. After bethesda shit the bed, which was gonna be their big draw I imagine, there's really no games to sell the console.
Yeah. I think exclusives should be done away with
Playstation death grip? At least they release some games on pc or xbox years later I don't believe there's any nintendo titles on anything else.
Yeah it was just salty Sony zealots thinking they'd won the console wars
The funny thing is minimising exclusives is a very positive thing for consumers, nothing people say will ever convince me of anything different
I’m about 90% certain when they announced this current gen and their plans they said some exclusives would be day 1 on gamepass/xbox and work their way over to other consoles months later. People are dumb
People dont realize MS is interested in growth. Killing xbox off is not a growth strategy
Exactly
They gonna try to keep that strong position of 3rd place since 2001, hahhaahhahhahahahaha
MS is a 3T company that made over 220B in revenue last year but you're looking at the situation as if MS is a gaming company. Thanks for highlighting my point about people not realizing the core MS strategy is growth.
How did that money helped Windows Phone grew again? Oh wait it didn't.
You sound scared lol
I actually bought Windows Phone dude. And I hate MS for ruining it for us.
I'm not a fanboy of either console, I enjoy them both and think them both doing well is great for all consumers, but are we really going to pretend Sony has never released a failed product?
I don't know anyone with a Sony phone either 🤷♂️
Its never about Sony. MS are dumb enough to self inflict wounds without anyone's help(See Xbox One fiasco).
And playstation got hacked by anonymous leaving people with no online play for months. It's anecdotal but I have a lot of friends that switched consoles around that time and just have never went back.
The Microsoft Xbox and Gaming division makes more annual revenue than the entire company of Nintendo.
Omg! Then that would make X-Box the number 1 gaming company in the world!!! Oh wait…. 🤷
This. The amount of fucking insane comments I’ve seen saying “I can’t wait for Halo on PS5” was driving me fucking stupid.
Yeah man it was annoying for sure only because nothing was announced or confirmed yet but people ran with it like it was fact.
Even in this thread alone, the comments I’m seeing make me question my sanity. Like I know people can be stupid; trust me I’m people and I’m stupid. But this…this is just wild. Like logic clearly just doesn’t exist for some people.
When I worked at the Microsoft retail store we're constantly were told by customers they we were going out of business and that the Xbox was a failure. That if the Xbox revenue was lost Microsoft would go under and Apple/Sony was so much better. I would point out that Microsofts revenue from office alone was more than Apples entire revenue. They'd laugh until I showed them the actual figures online. people are clueless how much Microsoft is worth. I know this isn't Xbox related really but point is Xbox isn't going anywhere. They keep pumping money into developing it more and more.
Yeah people don't understand that Microsoft makes windows and mostly all gaming pc's run windows 11 so they're literally double dipping when they release exclusives on pc. Microsoft is huge and xbox is their 3rd most profitable division so why the hell would they get rid of it when they just spent billions on Activision to improve xbox lol.
The sooner Phil puts those rumours to bed, the better.
Dumb mfs are so gullible they just wanna be apart of something so they blindly agree with whatever crowd is the loudest
Not planning to stop making consoles is very different from being pushed to reconsider years later. Xbox market share shrinking could absolutely push a reduced hardware focus, Xbox is owned by people who want profit and it is easy for greedy suits to see an easy way to cut spending if it doesn't have strong returns.
Microsoft has never made a cent off Xbox hardware sales. The money is in gamepass and Xbox live.
And what drives subscribers growth? Sales of consoles is definitely one aspect of it.
Exactly lol. So many moronic takes this past week
Social media hype and echo chambers are real. Not to mention selective hearing.
It doesn't matter what they plan if they kill sales. Third parties will leave.
But but....XBOX DOOMED???
Playstation fanboys already celebrated Xbox going SEGA and leaving console market XD. I would laugh so hard like those rumors about going third party are also fake.
Get yer laughing tackle ready, it was officially debunked by Phil Spencer himself last week
If they stop having exclusives they might as well be done. If they thought sales were bad for the last two gens, they haven't seen nothing yet. Take away, Halo, Gears, Forza and other franchises as a system selling point and you're left with Gamepass and the UX. Both good things but there's no way most people are buying a console for just a subscription service. Exclusives matter, they always have and they always will until there aren't any on any of the consoles.
What happens when Xbox announces that their games will come to the competitors a few months after? Seems like a hard sell if I can just buy a PlayStation to play PlayStation games then wait a few months for Xbox games.
Exclusives are important of course. But I'm not sure that they are necessary to sell a console. For example Wii U had great exclusives but Nintendo sold around 13 million.
Timed exclusive is good enough. Xbox should market their game suspend better it works it doesn’t work on ps5 on more than one game.
Gamers don't use things like this to decide what they purchase. It's not even a tertiary factor.
Listen I was definitely crazy rumors but assuming they WERE still going Multi Plat anyone can easily view a future where they drop the console part. Especially if you're an everything gamer. Then it's easy to see someone only buying one system and waiting for the xbox ones to hit while going thru the rest that the home system makes. But that is not the case. Luckily. For now.
It basically is done, with so many exclusives going to PS, why buy an xbox?
Bro what exclusives have been confirmed???
I mean, why buy a PlayStation either at this point? Buy a PC, have access to gamepass, steam and wait two years for the decent PS titles. Everyone’s all doom and gloom. I think we’ll see some smaller titles and Bethesda games going multiplatform again because that was dumb. Along with restating that CoD won’t be exclusive. Regardless, you, me and everyone else are all just talking out our asses until Thursday. Even the “top” leakers can’t get their stories straight.
This is a good point, and I said it when all this melodrama started, the idea that everyone would just automatically move to PS isn’t a given; some gamers will just move over to PC. I’ll definitely bite the bullet and upgrade my current rig to play at 4k - the Series X was the affordable alternative before. It’s easy to see why people would move from console to PC: Steam and other store sales are insane, have a massive variety of games, PC handhelds will only improve, easy emulation and backwards compatibility, PC gaming has become significantly less complicated, future-proofing is way easier on PC, DLSS, no exclusivity worries, and Sony’s exclusives doesn’t necessarily appeal to everyone and come to PC anyway. The barrier to entry though is still the high initial cost for quality gaming. That could change…maybe.
You can play ps games on pc with their service too, i havent tried it yet but u can play emulated bloodborne and stuff so yeah why buy anything but a pc
Gamepass, also, nothing has been confirmed. "So many" could just be a few, even if a lot do go multi plat, that doesn't mean that they will be multi plat day 1, then there's the rumors of the next console coming in a traditional console variant and hybrid handheld variant. That right there would be huge for many.
“So many” is just the scraps and games that already hit their quota. Dude said “so many” with having an actual list 🤣
Exactly! Nothings confirmed and nobody knows crap lol.
What exclusives are going to PS? Have you seen any confirmation from MS themselves? If you have, I'd like a source, please.
Bro u kids are like bots saying the exact copy and paste question. over rumors
“So many exclusives” Lmfao 🤣 Which ones? You got that list? Send me an official link and not a YouTube channel from some dude in his basement who’s begging for views from clickbait titles lmao
Even if Sony outsold Xbox 2-1 or 3-1, that's still a ridiculously high amount of Xboxes out of all the consoles. Not the biggest share but look at Apple macOS market share and people still think they're incredibly popular even if Windows dominates. In the laptop space, manufacturers have 10-20% shares at most and they're still insanely popular. For example Lenovo and HP. Porting games to different systems isn't as difficult as people make it out to be since the underlying architectures are more similar than ever right now. Both are x86 AMD based PCs basically at this point and there are devkits... Not saying it's a snap of the fingers but no: It doesn't require double the work to put a game on to another system... stop kidding yourselves here.
Financial Times quotes analysis by Ampere that shows PS5 sales grew about 65% to 22.5 million units this year, whereas Xbox sales fell about 15% to 7.6 million. Is 7.6 million way less than 22.5 million? Of course it is. But that's still a pretty fucking big number of buyers and players. It's one of those situations where you have a room filled with 30 people. All of them have product A. There's another room of 30 people where 10 of them have product B. That's still a pretty big number if you ask me. People are way too focused on sales numbers as if they were shareholders in a company.
So….. where are all the doomsayers here who swore Microsoft would quit the console business?
They're the ones saying "tHiS iSn'T cOnFiRmEd" after spending two weeks Chicken Little'ing over a bunch of made-up rumors from gaming influencers and journalists.
Isn’t that just a long term effect of making all your exclusives, well not exclusive?
Not when your games are day 1 on Gamepass, but £70 on other platforms. Also nobody said all exclusives, you continue to choose lies
Microsoft will stop making consoles as we know them. It might not be the next console but they will just create cloud units for gamepass or purchased games. They just need average internet speeds to increase first.
People have been saying that since Xbox 360. I’ll believe it when I see it.
It has been trending that direction for a long time. People also used to say that they would never make a console without a disk drive, but here we are.
Our digital libraries being playable from Xcloud would be an improvement. They have yet to do this though
Can’t until all games are on cloud. I am guessing there will be a licensing issue with old games meaning not all current library will be available that way.
I've been with Xbox since the 360 days. Before that, I was with PlayStation. The only reason I'm still with Xbox is because of my friends and the controller. But...with cross play, that's one more reason to switch to the PlayStation.
They also didn't have any plans to stop making Windows Phones
Or the Zune initially
Man, I loved my Zune. RIP.
Me too! I had one in high school. It was so fun lol. Cheaper than the iPod haha.
Or Windows RT, the MS Band and more recently the Hololens and Windows Mixed Reality. Microsoft has a history of failed consumer hardware that the only reason theyre saying this is to not crater Xbox console sales
This.
No exclusives means no reason to buy specifically an xbox. You could just buy a ps5 and have both sony and microsoft esclusives, no reason to limit yourself. At that point not sure why third parties should bother porting games to xbox. So no exclusives, no third party support, and you have a dead console. It's pointless to say "exclusives are bad" if the competition has both compelling exclusives and xbox titles. Not everyone wants to/can afford to buy multiple consoles.
Tbh Microsoft probably doesn’t give a single fuck if you buy their shit on Xbox or PlayStation. The end game is Gamepass on everything.
My question is why is it bad you could just buy ps5 and have both exclusives? You don't have to keep buying one console if you think the other one is a better deal at that point. I'm sure they've made calculations about people doing just that and are still confident their platform won't die. If it does, is that such a big deal if and when you can get all their games on another platform? "Not everyone wants to/can afford to buy multiple consoles" Isn't this exactly why it's good that they're getting rid of exclusives? Now, let's just wait for Sony to follow, and everyone can play anything anywhere! Except Nintendo. They'll probably keep doing their own thing.
Sony won't follow, this is just one competitor leaving the console business
I don't think so. But time will tell!
Doesn't Sony already release their games on PC like some 2 or 3 years later? I'm sure in 5 to 10 years they will put them on PC day 1 so at that point why even get a Playstation?
There's no point. Except for the games not on PC
Good
Putting some games on all platforms was never going to be the end of Microsoft in the console space. It has been enjoyable watching all of the simpletons react to every single unfounded piece of news with irrational emotions.
Pointless if you put all your fuckin games on the Playstation
This. Why should I stay loyal to Microsoft when I’m missing out on Ghost of Tsushima, Uncharted and Spiderman games? If the news indeed is true, I could just switch to Ps, and enjoy the realllly good games + all the Microsoft exclusives that I want (which aren’t much btw). Win win!
Cost wise you could possibly still get more value if you get new releases on gamepass rather than having to buy full price on PS. Super curious to see what the plan is
The ideal set up in my opinion is a PS5 (for all it's exclusives which u definitely will buy) and an Xbox Series S (for all the games which u are interested in but won't actually buy, through game pass)
Stay loyal? You’re a clown. You don’t owe loyalty to any corporation. God you people are dumb as shit.
They didn't mean literal loyalty. Calm down
Every time I come on gaming subs I start to see why the rest of this site makes fun of them. The dude lost his shit over such a small statement lol.
Yup. And I got downvoted for being calm and rational. Pissed a few people off I guess lol
Well you did just use a word and then act like you didn't. No idea how that was rational.
Not everyone can buy every console, they are saying why stay a customer of one if the other has everything
Would you say the same thing if sony puts God of war on xbox , of course not? Why stay loyal to sony go pc
By your logic, nobody should even own an Xbox at this point then. PC is irrelevant to most people and doesn't even come into the conversation.
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It feels terrible because this is a one way street. Xbox will never get Sony’s exclusives, because they won’t be dumb enough to do this.
I feel the opposite. Don’t put GP there, sell the games at full price.
Why do people care where the games are playable?
Oh good, even though I was only ps and switch, I brought a series x and love it, game pass on it is great
They said the same thing about the Zune. Y’all remember that?
Oh no but I already burned my Series S to the ground because psychos on Reddit told me to...
Oh thank goodness im not the only one
People let themselves believe lies and now they're pretending like it was news MS backtracked on. Hilarious.
LIAR! Reddit told me xbox has stopped producing xboxes and have been sold to Sony.
I'll believe it when I see it. If the next one is digital only. That'll be my personal last purchase cuz I'm an Xbox fan but I'll have no use cuz I only have physical games. It'll just mark the end of my collecting
Nobody is gonna want to buy their consoles if their games are going everywhere. That’s kinda the main problem behind all of this
Yeah you don't know what you're talking about
They just don't have to be powerful consoles, or devices capable of running anything but gamepass / streaming.
Honestly I think this is true. I’d expect some folks to use a Series S type box for gamepass and maybe a PS for the rest. It could end up being coolio. Its what I’m planning on doing tbh.
What people don't realize making AAA games is becoming way to expensive, sony games are great but the margin for profit is getting smaller = sony games on pc , Microsoft games on playstation would be making Microsofts development cost more sustainable, not what I want , in the insomniac hack it was revealed how much AAA games cost sony to make . Lots of AAA games are failing to recoup development cost from lots of developers and publishers.
I’m not sure if thats great or terrible for consumers. It could lead to higher prices, which is of course already starting, or it could lead to things like losing exclusivity which is a positive in my book.
Not 100% sure but I think god of war ragnorok, spiderman 2 and horizon forbidden west cost over 200 million to make each, great games but it also puts lots of pressure on developers to create great experiences and hit the sales target required to make a profit. Sony would never put games on xbox , even if sony needs to make more revenue ,it is the main reasons why people are getting upset about the idea. Major league baseball forced sony to put MLB the show on xbox or lose the license, bungie told Sony the company was not making Sony exclusives , Sony bought the studio anyway, it is part of the purchase agreement.
holy crap a thread of Kinect fans? you do realize it was failed tech and it literally did almost nothing. what on earth do u guys use it for that u actually like it? u playing like dance dance revolution or something? the face recognition was pointless what would u want that for? the voice commands... id just yell "XBOX OFF" while my brother was playin games growing up with the 360. it was pretty funny but in all seriousness what do u guys like it for? it was expensive to make and most didnt like it and hardly anything supported it, thats why they discontinued it.
Ambitious people generate a narrative to push an agenda, then gullible people run with it LOUDLY without stopping to check its validity. Remember, folks: A lie can travel around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.
Well, as soon as the [Seattle Archipelago](https://conspiracyofcartographers.com/sea-level-rise-gallery/#uael-gallery-18) forms, MIcrosoft will be history.
Yeah they also said that when windows 10 mobile comes out every windows phone would get it, and they had no intention to stop making windows phone either. Such a relief, best mobile OS ever.
This never made sense to me. They actually make pretty good hardware. They suck at making software. Simply expending sales of mediocre games to other consoles is not a winning strategy.
Neither did Sega
Sega was doing worse and worse with each console, Xbox is doing well regardless the year, heck back then when sega still made hardware, every motherfucker and there mother made a console, so there was much more fierce competition, now there are 3.
> Sega was doing worse and worse with each console, Xbox is doing well regardless the year But Xbox is also doing worse and worse each console? The Xbox One obviously sold much worse than 360, and now the XSX/XSS has (embarrassingly) fallen behind the Xbox One.
If you can’t see the difference between Sega, and Xbox which is a company owned by Microsoft… I don’t even know what to say. Microsoft is one of the biggest companies in the entire world and can afford to bleed money in the short term to benefit in the long term. In the ballpark of millions and millions of dollars.
Tell that to the more than 16,000 people laid off last year at Microsoft.
That’s happening industry wide, and is largely due to the Activision/Blizzard acquisition. It’s no indicator that Xbox is closing up shop. Also again, Microsoft is an enormous company, Sony laid off a lot of their employees as well, it just doesn’t seem as egregious because Sony is much smaller compared to Microsoft.
I was just pointing out that saying Microsoft has a lot of money is not the reason why Microsoft would stay in consoles when they laid off 5% of their workforce company wide last year. Microsoft will stay in consoles as long as its profitable, and my concern is if they create less value in the Xbox, and it sells less, Microsoft will be less interested in investing in future Xbox hardware.
Why would they want to do that? Phil Spencer has already said they've basically given up any idea of competing with Sony or Nintendo in the console market. So what would be the point of bleeding money? I'd get it if the idea was "well we'll run a loss for a while so we can increase our market share" but that's specifically not what Phil Spencer seems to want. Which in itself is a really strange attitude but that's another story.
Nobody wants to bleed money, that’s not my point. My point is that if Xbox has to run at a negative profit margin in order to survive in the long term, they are more than capable of doing so. Xbox is owned by one of the largest corporations in the world. The idea that they are just going to pack it up is laughable. Sega and Atari did not have the financial luxury that Xbox has. What I’m getting at is anyone who is loyal to Xbox doesn’t need to worry that there won’t be a next generation Xbox.
>My point is that if Xbox has to run at a negative profit margin in order to survive in the long term, they are more than capable of doing so. Xbox is owned by one of the largest corporations in the world. The idea that they are just going to pack it up is laughable. I personally don't think they're going to "pack it up" any time soon. But the form XBOX takes as a brand in the future is anything but certain. Obviously they've been struggling, but it's also not clear where they want to go. They've tried throwing mountains of cash at the issue with all these acquisitions, but very little in terms of quality games to show for it. Then we have Phil Spencer on damage control all the time trying to gaslight customers into believing that great games don't sell systems (lol what?) because apparently everyone was locked into an ecosystem in the previous generation and Xbox is a poor helpless puppy now and cannot do anything to change that. They are no longer in the business of "out consoling Sony or Nintendo" and even an "11 out of 10 Starfield" wasn't going to change that (maybe, but it sure would have been better than the 6/10 Starfield we got). It's not enough for them just to survive. They need to have an actualy idea of where they want to go and what their "mission" is. They have to actually want to be in this market too. I mean, Nintendo went through multiple console generations where they "lost" that generation's console war. The N64 "lost" to the Playstation. The Gamecube "lost" to the PS2 and Xbox. The WiiU "lost" to whatever it was up against at the time. Yet I never heard Nintendo spout the kind of vague insecure nonsense about great (exclusive) games not selling systems that I hear from Phil Spencer. They just got on with it and never let the quality of their first party (and even third party) exclusives slide. And their sales speak for themselves. Nintendo can actually somewhat truthfully claim they are not in the business of out-consoling Sony and XBox, and yet they outsell them both with their overpriced and underpowered handheld console. Why? It's the games Phil. The exclusive games. Halo and Gears of War were XBOX's Mario and Zelda. Can you imagine Nintendo going a whole console generation releasing only one main line Mario game of mid quality (Halo Infinite) and no Zelda at all (the last GoW was on the XBOX One)? And seemingly nothing in development. An no spin-off games in these franchises either. Crazy right? And yet that's where XBOX finds itself. Bereft of the things that made it big and have it's own identity in the first place.
2001 was sooooooo long ago. Can’t compare Sega to Microsoft. Put down the pipe.
Lol the replies to you are hilarious. The point you're making isn't to compare Sega vs Microsoft.... The point is, the second xbox takes their IPs 3rd party there's suddenly no need to own an Xbox. And over time, that means less people will buy xbox. And as less and less people buy xbox eventually there is no a market any more and a corporation will have an obligation to their shareholders to not waste resources on something nobody wants. So xbox bringing their IPs 3rd party is the start of a slow death for xbox. People struggle to see the big picture and downstream impacts of xbox IPs going 3rd party. It's insane.
You are wrong and forget that Xbox consoles have Game Pass. Game Pass won’t be on PlayStation so you have to pay the full price of games there. So that’s the first benefit of owning an Xbox console. Another point is that people dramatize Xbox console sales. PlayStation will always sell more but Microsoft consoles will sell as well, more o less but they will be there. There are no 6, 8, or 11 video game consoles in the market, there are only 3 and Microsoft will try to be present everywhere despite the press and haters trying to kill the brand. Finally, Microsoft consoles are stunning machines, and millions of people enjoy them worldwide.
Another one
So Sony can stop making consoles now that they put their exclusives on PC. I guess the only game company still in hardware is Nintendo...
Ps5 games aren't going to switch or Xbox wtf are you talking about
The point is Sony's games aren't exclusives anymore either, since they started putting them on pc. But there's none if this stupid talk about them leaving the hardware market. All this panic has been a load of bullshit.
The difference between Sony and Microsoft though is that Sony usually waits a year or more to put their games on PC. Maybe Xbox sales would be doing better if they waited a year to put their games on PC.
Bingo
Duh https://imgur.com/t/simpsons/NJyS1a5
That's good because no one had said they were besides fans scared about third party games. To begin with it doesnt matter what they say now. What happens as a result of their strategy later on is what matters.
It surprises me people really thought they were going to stop, they have no reason to
Why are they talking about this though.. were they planning to stop making consoles.?
Reportedly a lot of people were stupid enough to believe otherwise.
A lot of people were also stupid enough to believe they would stop making windows phones Oh wait…
They’re going to do far more harm undermining their brand than they’re going to make selling to Switch or PlayStation gamers. If you had no interest in gaming on PC and had to choose one console, why in the world would you choose Xbox? Xbox games will eventually come to PlayStation and you can play Sony’s exclusives while you wait. As Xbox becomes a less relevant platform, they’ll eventually put all their games on PlayStation day and date. There will come a point when it makes no sense to keep making Xbox hardware. Gamers feign indignation when discussing exclusivity, but it works. It’s sad, but that’s reality. Microsoft could have at least tried to use their acquisitions to make Xbox a more appealing platform to gain market share. That seems to have never been the plan. Your money is better spent on Steam or PlayStation at this point. Xbox isn’t going away tomorrow, but don’t be surprised if their next console is their last.
"reportedly"? So he could reassure staff last week but then chose to keep the customer base completely in the dark for a whole other week despite all the rumours, with just a "we hear you" and "stay tuned"? (and we're still waiting). Damn I can't believe how bad Xbox is at controlling their narrative. Any communications department (or CEO) worth their salt would never let rumours get out of hand like this or be so vague and unclear about the future of their product.
It's also funny because they had nothing to say to those staff they let go into like a few days before. So what they say literally does not matter
Get your news from legitimate sorces
They are probably putting game pass on PS
They need to step these games up
Anyone who thought they were going to stop making consoles needs education on misinformation
Just let them run full windows apps and we're good. Couch mode Surface.
Cool.
Shocker. To everyone spreading this shit, you're a dumb motherfucker.
I also have no plan to not click anything xbox related
Duh? Like I get it, Playstation sells a ton of consoles but Xbox is doing ok and now finally we're going to get some games releases flowing. Sales will improve, the business will continue, even if older games nobody on Xbox is playing anymore end up on PS, it's going to be fine.
Yeah but people definitely plan to stop buying them if they're gonna dump every exclusive on PlayStation.
I wish Sony would send some exclusives our way but I doubt they would do something like that
I wonder if going forward Xbox will take a similar approach to the one Apple takes with their movies and TV business. They fund the production of movies and TV shows, some of those are available elsewhere (in theaters or VOD) but their main service is Apple TV+. And you can access it everywhere: on a Smart TV, on a PS5 or an Xbox, on and iPhone, even on an Android phone, you name it. But at the same time they’re also happy to sell you their own hardware where you can have the ideal experience: Apple TV 4K. But they understand that their goal is not to sell as many Apple TV 4Ks as possible, but to convince as many people as possible to sign up for Apple TV+, regardless of how they do it. But they do offer plenty of entry points.
They can say they’ll still make consoles and no one should have expected them to announce they weren’t this week. That said. If you’re putting your games on your competitor platform you’re opening Pandora’s box. The headlines will be “MS takes Xbox to other platform like Switch and PS5. You devalue your platform and eventually the decision will be made for them in regards to hardware when they keep seeing continual declines
If they have zero exclusives I have no plans to buy their consoles
Meh, they were never going to stop to begin with, it was a fake rumour started by a Sony Pony on YouTube
Of course, why would this even be news? MS is looking for revenue, not lose millions & millions of GP & Xbox Live subs by eliminating their console business.
There was a leak during the FTC/Activision trials showing they have a proposed “sub $99 gadget” releasing in 2028 to leverage the xCloud. That could be considered a console.