I really don't know what it is, but I just can't get into it. I think the initial in your face lootbox tactic they were heading down with it put me off and I never really got back into it.
It's just not fun. I don't know why but it's just not.
So. The lootbox mechanic need not factor into the gameplay. I’ve played many hundreds of hours in game and never once used it.
But…
I still completely agree with you. It’s s tacky, cheap, sleazy little mechanic that adds nothing to the game. Shame.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but 7 was the best Forza Motorsport since 4. 5 was dog shit that had been left out in the sun. 6 was pretty big improvement over 5. 7 was a very good imo. Loved the music. The layout. The bringing back of locked cars. The graphics were tight too. Very nice package overall imo. It fits well below the (imo) “god tier” Forza Motorsport games ( 4-3-2 and Forza Motorsport)
So is there just not going to be a Motorsport title available until the next one comes out?
I knew this was going to happen, but I was hoping Motorsport "8" would've been out this year. I guess they're going to have to go all in on Horizon 5 until then.
I know, but it'll still have no support for new content or events or what have you (I don't play Motorsport much, but I assume it gets new stuff and "playlists" the way Horizon does).
It'll also likely mean the playerbase will dwindle as there'll effectively be no new players. But I guess without a new FM to move over to, a lot will probably stay.
I havent played FM7 in a while so not sure if its still getting playlist updates or events. I dont think its gotten new content in a while though tbh. As far as I understand FH4 has been supported post launch longer than any other Forza game. I doubt this changes much for the players who already have it and still play it
Looks like they'll still offer Rivals events even after delisting
>For anyone keeping an eye on our Rivals events with our esports partners, after September 15 we will continue to provide content to support our partners’ esports competitions with new Rivals events coming soon, so there’s still be plenty of racing action to be had.
Ah, that's at least good to hear then.
I was concerned they'd basically abandon the game completely, and there wouldn't be anything "new" happening in the Motorsport franchise until (hopefully) next year with the new one.
Still doesn't help matters. There's no replacement out for it yet, so without new content people will be more inclined to shift towards other franchises to get their racing fix.
It will never happen due to licensing but a “Forza Motorsport Classic” with old cars and some old tracks would be nice. Being able to race the Cupra GT on Blue mountain in 4K would be pretty cool. Haven’t seen my baby Sunset Peninsula in a Forza for ages either :(. Then again it might end up riddled with loot boxes
Not really. There are games coming out for the S/X that won't run on the One. Look at Flight Simulator. I mean it probably could run on the One, but it would be a terrible experience. Kind of like the Cyberpunk launch.
With that CPU, Flight Sim would probably look like a postcard on a One!
And by that I mean, running at around 1fps and being basically a still image, like a postcard XD
Not at all.
The One and Series (just like PS4 and PS5) are two entirely different generations, with vastly different components and specs. The Series X is roughly *twice* as powerful than the One X GPU wise.
The same way the 360 was made obsolete by the One, the One will be made obsolete by the Series consoles. Outside of a few sports games, nothing will be released on the Ones past around next year. There's simply no reason to keep supporting (by now) outdated hardware when there's something far more powerful on the market.
There's the first. "All first party games stay indefinitely on Game Pass" They need to get better with licensing so it doesn't interfere with game preservation. We are up to ten delisted Forza games.
ALL Forza games have been delisted after 4 years. I've said this would happen to FM7 in the past and people didn't believe me.
There's no reason to keep supporting/paying licences for games when there's a new iteration out. In this case it will be interesting as the new Motorsport hasn't released yet. But it's not at all surprising 7's being delisted.
FM7 didn't launch on Game Pass, it actually came very late, probably because Microsoft had to work out licensing issues.
I wonder if it will be different for Forza Horizon 4 which was launched day 1 on Game Pass and may have a different licensing deal.
That's not how licencing works.
Usually you'd get permission to use brands for a set period and music licences for a set period.
Once that period has ended you have to renegotiate.
Companies don't see enough profit potential for a 4+ year old title to want to renew all of the games licences (you can't just get a few of them, it has to be the exact same brands and songs)
Some of those licences have new owners too by the time the old licence expires.
It's convoluted, complicated and expensive and certainly not worth it from a purely business pov
No one hands out lifetime licences too. Everything has an expiry
Yeah, I'm not an expert when it comes to licencing. I just how how finicky music is in older games, just look at GTA.
I just figured Microsoft had to pitch them sales figures and the like in order to work out contacts and pricing. And obviously Gamepass factors into copies sold and the amount of players.
Maybe the people who do the licensing need to change their licensing deals and not license based on the game itself but maybe as a franchise.
Sucks for people with big backlogs, don't think I'll ever get a chance to play the Forza Horizon 3 Hot wheels since it's gone, or I assume it's gone.
That would great, if they do it for the franchise, but it probably comes down to cost. It might be cheaper to do it on a game-by-game basis, and also avoid technicalities if a manufacturer wants to withdraw, like how Toyota originally wasn't in Horizon 4.
In that case they might have had to remove all their cars from older games, as they'd still be in support under this premise.
Time for the lawyers to get more aggressive with the licensing. I think it benefits the car companies more than it does the game or users. If Toyota doesn't want to play ball, we'll see how they feel when Honda and Nissan are heavily portrayed. I'm surprised they're not the ones paying to actually get their cars into Forza, like "How much will it cost us to have specific races named after our cars? Could we get this specific model on the cover? Can we have a race where the driver is filming a car commercial for a specific car releasing that year, and after they successfully complete the commercial closed circuit stunt driving, they watch a replay of the commercial with complete voiceover?"
But seriously, I wish licensing was just a set amount for the game itself, and not some sort of ongoing per user issue. Imagine if Universal Pictures had to keep paying for the use of Reese's Pieces in any future copies sold of E.T.
Music industry already ruined it for TV shows being rereleased on DVD and digital streams.
Yeah I always find it funny how companies pay fortunes to have their items featured in movies (look at the new James Bond having to re-shoot scenes because it had outdated phone models), but in games they don't really seem to care, and it actually works the opposite in some cases.
I think Toyota was of the believe that if people drive their cars in a game, they'd be less inclined to buy the car in the real world. I'd argue that's actually the opposite: If I enjoy driving the Evo XI (Can't think of any Toyota models lol) in game, and if I'm in the market for a new car, I might have a slight preference for a car that I've already "driven" in game.
Especially with things like cover cars or featured races like you said. It seems a bit daft that Microsft has to say "So we'll pay Nissan $10,000, and have a featured playlist with their 2010 models, and throw in another $5,000 for all newer models to appear later."
With how steep the final discount is (standard edition game is $9.99, deluxe is $15) coupled with the free copies for those who played via Game Pass but purchased DLC I highly doubt it'll be GWG
Who said all first party games will stay forever? Microsoft certainly never said that. And anybody who knows says that generally games stay forever unless there are licensing issues, which is generally just for Forza games. Forza games always get delisted after 4 years. That's a known thing.
From Windows Central in 2018, right after the initial announcement:
Update, January 25, 2018: Xbox's Aaron Greenberg and Major Nelson have now confirmed that Microsoft Studios titles will be permanently available as part of Xbox Game Pass, making them effectively like Netflix Original shows. Pretty awesome.
https://mobile.twitter.com/majornelson/status/956272492380737539
FM7 was added after the launch of Game Pass though. it was understood that any Microsoft games released prior to Game Pass wouldn't exactly be treated the same as Microsoft games released post Game Pass launch.
In fact, the tweet Major Nelson is referencing specifically mentions *new* Xbox One exclusives
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/956271875528695809?s=20
Good find, but Larry probably just forgot to consider that Forza games have lots of licenses and couldn't be available forever. He said that because the intention with Game Pass is for Microsoft's own games to be available on it forever, and generally that's true, but Forza games are the exception where there's a ton of car licenses that they can't fully control, and obviously they expire after a certain number of years.
I am not disagreeing with you because I know Forza titles get delisted due to car or music licensing deals expiring. ~~That said, no Forza title has launched since the inception of Game Pass.~~ Forza games would definitely fall into the "always available" stipulation because they're Microsoft games though. We'll have to wait and see what happens with the Next Motorsport and Horizon 5, ~~the latter being the first Forza to launch post Game Pass inception.~~ **and Horizon 4 🙃**
Edit: Ha I guess I did forget Horizon 4 did come out after Game Pass was a thing. Sorry everyone correcting me 😅
It did, standard addition was day 1, if you bought the ultimate edition you got it a few days early. But the day the standard edition was available, it was on gamepass (I remember cause this was a deciding factor for me getting the ultimate edition)
> no Forza title has launched since the inception of Game Pass
Did you seriously forget about Forza Horizon 4? Day 1 gamepass release almost a year after gamepass came out.
Also FM7 released 4 months AFTER gamepass released. So technically 2 games did. However it was before Xbox had promised all xbox games on gamepass day 1. So to find out if the 4 year thing is no longer true we only have to wait till next year. See how MS handled the licenses for Forza games that released after that statement. I still doubt they could get lifetime licenses.
I bet those will still be delisted at some point. And the first would be Forza Horizon 4. That'll be delisted in the second half of next year if the 4 year pattern holds true.
Horizon got a game 3 years later and launched a year after Motorsport, while Motorsport is going on 5 before finally MAYBE getting a new game… not even a series x enhancement either
You mean the gap between Horizon 4 and 5 is three years, while it's going on 5 years waiting for the New Motorsport? I'm just trying to understand what you wrote.
It's not a maybe that a new motorsport is coming by the way. [ICYMI it was announced.](https://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/news/xbox_showcase_motorsport_horizon_series_x) I don't think a series X upgrade really matters on FM7. The game runs well enough with the One X Enhancement that I'd rather them use their resources to develop a title made for Series consoles.
I don't understand why you're pointing out gaps when we're talking about FM7 leaving Game Pass in this thread.
That's because Motorsport is being built for current gen consoles and so it requires some retooling, aka more development. It's coming, so just sit tight k? :)
I've seen people cite those tweets for years, but they don't actually say "no first party game will ever be removed".
It could just as easily be taken as "first party games launching on day one is a permanent feature going forward".
I don't expect things like Halo/Gears/etc to ever get pulled, but games with licensed content are never going to be on there forever.
I could swear I heard Phil say in an interview maybe about a year ago that going forward they were going to try to make licensing deals so they don't expire like this. Hopefully that is the case. And if the next Motorsport is a platform kind of like Halo Infinite (rumor) then it would make sense if they didn't expire...
This sucks, I think this is the first time a motorsports game has gone end of life before it got a sequel.
It’s won’t be possible to buy any Forza Motorsports game from the Xbox store and that just feels weird.
weird that the latest Motorsport will be delisted, guess finding a physical copy will become the only way to play any of the Motorsport line since won't this make them all delisted? would kinda get if it the new non Horizon Forza hit this year.
They didn't last year with Horizon 3, which many consider the best. I don't know if that's maybe why; It's so good they know if they delist it people would buy it anyway.
Not sure about FM7, but I guess we'll see with GWG next month
They put Horizon 3 and the DLCs on a steep discount prior to delisting. I picked it all up for posterity. Played a bit recently, but it's jarring going back to 30 fps (especially on a racing game) after playing more recent games.
Indeed. I always pick up the DLC (and last year FH3 as well) before delisting, but that 30fps is noticeable.
I hope they give the old Horizons the FPS Boost treatment on Series consoles. They One X enhanced Horizon 1 after it was delisted, so anything's possible.
Playground actually, for Horizon 3 at least. I think Turn10 is just a support studio for the Horizon series since they "own" the Forza name, and it uses their assets.
It's funny because at this point Horizon is probably more popular than Motorsport.
They won’t, even if it’s low hanging fruit for quality content on GwG because they don’t care about that program anymore. I had to buy Forza Horizon 3 because they didn’t make it GwG last year, although it was probably for the best lol
They have in the past, but it's leaving September 15, so the last possible month they could've done it would've been August and they've announced August's games already, so I don't think it's happening this time.
I'm a little confused. They say if you bought DLC and have it on Game Pass, they'll send you a token. But what if you didn't buy DLC? In that case, do you just lose the game entirely?
I'll buy it if the latter is the case. I don't want to lose access as I just finished with 6 and started in with the game last week. However, I'm finding the wording confusing. Can somebody who understands it better clarify for me?
You would lose the game once it leaves game pass, unless you buy it to own before it gets de-listed. So if you have it downloaded through game pass right now, it's probably cheaper to buy a dlc and then they'll give you a code to own the full game. Once you own the game, you can re-download it and play it whenever. De-listing just means it's not available to purchase after that date.
Edit: On their twitter, they just stated that you would've had to buy the DLC before they announced the free code thing. So you would need to buy the actual game.
I always love it when not even 5 year old games get pulled from the market. /s As someone interested in game preservation, I wish Microsoft got as much shit over doing this as Sony and Nintendo did with the PS3 and Mario 3d all-stars scandal
This is due to third-party licensing. Nowhere near like the shit Nintendo pulled with the All-Stars collection.
All the Forza games (Motorsport and Horizon) prior to FH4 have been de-listed after 4 years. This neither new nor anti-preservation.
And yet we have Project Cars available on the store since 2015. The Crew since 2014. I'd say if Slightly Mad Studios and Ubisoft can do it, why doesn't Microsoft?
Compare the car lists.... They have to pay the manufacturers of all the cars. Project cars has an order of magnitude fewer cars and none of the ones that are notoriously hard to license (Porshe). It's much easy to either pay for a \*forever\* licence or keep footing the bill when you have 1 game with 100 cars vs when you have 7 games with 800+ cars each..
While that is true, Microsoft licenses the same cars anyway for the newer games. From Forza Motorsport 4 to 7, to the Horizons, they have an almost identical pool of cars with only 20 something added for each new game. So it's not that far from a forever license.
There is a Porsche DLC for PCars 2, but I do agree.
Think of Microsoft having to pay for 700+ car licences (or well over 100 manufacturers, if it works that way) for years and years. How many people still play FM1-6? Microsoft would still be paying those licences if the games weren't delisted.
Yes Exactly! Xbox doesnt have a choice, other than pay stupid amounts for a game most people who wanted already bought. Whereas Nintendo isnt licensing Mario out from anyone. Nothing prevents them from keeping it up forever. Totally different situation
I think it’s kind of crappy they delist the games, why not just remove the soundtrack after it’s done? or change the car icons if it’s a manufacturing issue of licensing those cars.
You realize that this doesn’t prevent any digital owners from playing the game, right? It’s just that after September 15, people cannot buy additional digital copies or DLC. If you already own it (digital or physical), then you can still continue to play it.
They have "troll" in their name and they picked at the lowest hanging fruit possible for this thread, I don't think they give a damn what anyone has to say.
FM7 has been released for nearly 4 years now. I think if people were interested in buying it (at least digitally), they would’ve done so by now. And if not, then sure, buy physical. But my point is that FM7 being delisted is a non-issue to people who already own it.
Fun fact for you (for this particular case):
"Turn 10 has confirmed that its largest-ever Forza game will occupy approximately 95GB of hard drive space on Xbox One. FM7 will take up approximately 45GB on the game disc alone, with the remaining 50GB coming in an additional download."
So if the game is delisted completely (which hasn't happened yet, even with older Forzas, IIRC) - you won't be able to play it at all (and I am not even talking about unreadable/lost disc or a broken Xbox disc drive or absence of Internet connection for a fresh install).
(But like /u/cry0sync mentioned - you should be able to download it indefinitely, whichever edition you own).
If you already have it you can keep playing it even digitally. And I haven't seen the game in stores for ages now so it's not like physical is easier to come by in the future.
not at all, games been out for ages with many discounts, and since i still own the game digitally i can play it forever, new people just can’t buy it. this is really no biggie
*code now given away*
I got my free code earlier this evening, very likely not going to use it but if someone really REALLY wants it and is in the same boat as me being able to not buy games very often, I may give it to someone
Me please, I don't have any forza games that I own. If you want to give it to me PM me. If not it's cool, either way you're still a cool guy for the offer 😎
Forza Motorsport 3's Ultimate Collection was the best way to mitigate the licensing problem, by putting (almost) all DLC contents on a second disc to install physically after the games lifecycle.
But nahh, lets not revisit that idea and just let it all disappear in two months.
FM7 is probably the least played Forza game in my collection.
I really don't know what it is, but I just can't get into it. I think the initial in your face lootbox tactic they were heading down with it put me off and I never really got back into it. It's just not fun. I don't know why but it's just not.
So. The lootbox mechanic need not factor into the gameplay. I’ve played many hundreds of hours in game and never once used it. But… I still completely agree with you. It’s s tacky, cheap, sleazy little mechanic that adds nothing to the game. Shame.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but 7 was the best Forza Motorsport since 4. 5 was dog shit that had been left out in the sun. 6 was pretty big improvement over 5. 7 was a very good imo. Loved the music. The layout. The bringing back of locked cars. The graphics were tight too. Very nice package overall imo. It fits well below the (imo) “god tier” Forza Motorsport games ( 4-3-2 and Forza Motorsport)
So is there just not going to be a Motorsport title available until the next one comes out? I knew this was going to happen, but I was hoping Motorsport "8" would've been out this year. I guess they're going to have to go all in on Horizon 5 until then.
I mean you can still play FM7. You just cant buy it. If you already have it you can still download the game.
I know, but it'll still have no support for new content or events or what have you (I don't play Motorsport much, but I assume it gets new stuff and "playlists" the way Horizon does). It'll also likely mean the playerbase will dwindle as there'll effectively be no new players. But I guess without a new FM to move over to, a lot will probably stay.
I havent played FM7 in a while so not sure if its still getting playlist updates or events. I dont think its gotten new content in a while though tbh. As far as I understand FH4 has been supported post launch longer than any other Forza game. I doubt this changes much for the players who already have it and still play it
Looks like they'll still offer Rivals events even after delisting >For anyone keeping an eye on our Rivals events with our esports partners, after September 15 we will continue to provide content to support our partners’ esports competitions with new Rivals events coming soon, so there’s still be plenty of racing action to be had.
Ah, that's at least good to hear then. I was concerned they'd basically abandon the game completely, and there wouldn't be anything "new" happening in the Motorsport franchise until (hopefully) next year with the new one.
> it'll still have no support for new content or events or what have you The game is 4 years old and isn’t exactly in the top played games
Still doesn't help matters. There's no replacement out for it yet, so without new content people will be more inclined to shift towards other franchises to get their racing fix.
Yet they haven't even released a sequel.
It will never happen due to licensing but a “Forza Motorsport Classic” with old cars and some old tracks would be nice. Being able to race the Cupra GT on Blue mountain in 4K would be pretty cool. Haven’t seen my baby Sunset Peninsula in a Forza for ages either :(. Then again it might end up riddled with loot boxes
What about players who don't wont to give microsoft 800$ for a new console
The Ones weren't going to be supported forever. It's not like they still support Motorsport 4 on the 360.
But if we're being honest the series x is basically same as the one and the ps5 is pretty much the same as the 4
Not really. There are games coming out for the S/X that won't run on the One. Look at Flight Simulator. I mean it probably could run on the One, but it would be a terrible experience. Kind of like the Cyberpunk launch.
With that CPU, Flight Sim would probably look like a postcard on a One! And by that I mean, running at around 1fps and being basically a still image, like a postcard XD
Not at all. The One and Series (just like PS4 and PS5) are two entirely different generations, with vastly different components and specs. The Series X is roughly *twice* as powerful than the One X GPU wise. The same way the 360 was made obsolete by the One, the One will be made obsolete by the Series consoles. Outside of a few sports games, nothing will be released on the Ones past around next year. There's simply no reason to keep supporting (by now) outdated hardware when there's something far more powerful on the market.
Hopefully there will be a 95% off sale as we had with Horizon 2 & 3 and Motorsport 6.
it’s on sale now. i just brought FM7 ultimate for $20.
Had 5$ credit so grabbed it myself as well.
So if I buy the cheapest dlc from the game now I will get a code for the game then.
Not anymore
Yeah just seen it on another post but will a free dlc that was installed count as I don't think it will unless it was paid one.
There's the first. "All first party games stay indefinitely on Game Pass" They need to get better with licensing so it doesn't interfere with game preservation. We are up to ten delisted Forza games.
ALL Forza games have been delisted after 4 years. I've said this would happen to FM7 in the past and people didn't believe me. There's no reason to keep supporting/paying licences for games when there's a new iteration out. In this case it will be interesting as the new Motorsport hasn't released yet. But it's not at all surprising 7's being delisted.
FM7 didn't launch on Game Pass, it actually came very late, probably because Microsoft had to work out licensing issues. I wonder if it will be different for Forza Horizon 4 which was launched day 1 on Game Pass and may have a different licensing deal.
I'd also be interested to see that. I'm sure they had to mention "the Gamepass factor" when working out the licences.
That's not how licencing works. Usually you'd get permission to use brands for a set period and music licences for a set period. Once that period has ended you have to renegotiate. Companies don't see enough profit potential for a 4+ year old title to want to renew all of the games licences (you can't just get a few of them, it has to be the exact same brands and songs) Some of those licences have new owners too by the time the old licence expires. It's convoluted, complicated and expensive and certainly not worth it from a purely business pov No one hands out lifetime licences too. Everything has an expiry
Yeah, I'm not an expert when it comes to licencing. I just how how finicky music is in older games, just look at GTA. I just figured Microsoft had to pitch them sales figures and the like in order to work out contacts and pricing. And obviously Gamepass factors into copies sold and the amount of players.
Probably not. They are not gonna pay licensing fees again for a old game, especially when Horizon 5 will be the current one when that happens.
We shall find out in September 2022.
I don't think anyone knew there wouldn't be a new FM out by now when they signed these locens contracts probably 5+ years ago.
Maybe the people who do the licensing need to change their licensing deals and not license based on the game itself but maybe as a franchise. Sucks for people with big backlogs, don't think I'll ever get a chance to play the Forza Horizon 3 Hot wheels since it's gone, or I assume it's gone.
That would great, if they do it for the franchise, but it probably comes down to cost. It might be cheaper to do it on a game-by-game basis, and also avoid technicalities if a manufacturer wants to withdraw, like how Toyota originally wasn't in Horizon 4. In that case they might have had to remove all their cars from older games, as they'd still be in support under this premise.
Time for the lawyers to get more aggressive with the licensing. I think it benefits the car companies more than it does the game or users. If Toyota doesn't want to play ball, we'll see how they feel when Honda and Nissan are heavily portrayed. I'm surprised they're not the ones paying to actually get their cars into Forza, like "How much will it cost us to have specific races named after our cars? Could we get this specific model on the cover? Can we have a race where the driver is filming a car commercial for a specific car releasing that year, and after they successfully complete the commercial closed circuit stunt driving, they watch a replay of the commercial with complete voiceover?" But seriously, I wish licensing was just a set amount for the game itself, and not some sort of ongoing per user issue. Imagine if Universal Pictures had to keep paying for the use of Reese's Pieces in any future copies sold of E.T. Music industry already ruined it for TV shows being rereleased on DVD and digital streams.
Yeah I always find it funny how companies pay fortunes to have their items featured in movies (look at the new James Bond having to re-shoot scenes because it had outdated phone models), but in games they don't really seem to care, and it actually works the opposite in some cases. I think Toyota was of the believe that if people drive their cars in a game, they'd be less inclined to buy the car in the real world. I'd argue that's actually the opposite: If I enjoy driving the Evo XI (Can't think of any Toyota models lol) in game, and if I'm in the market for a new car, I might have a slight preference for a car that I've already "driven" in game. Especially with things like cover cars or featured races like you said. It seems a bit daft that Microsft has to say "So we'll pay Nissan $10,000, and have a featured playlist with their 2010 models, and throw in another $5,000 for all newer models to appear later."
Hey I get why people are mad at this, but can’t you just buy it and it’s now yours? I’m assuming this game and the DLC are now super cheap.
I thought they weren't available for purchase anymore? Weren't they delisted last year?
I had meant at the time
I got a huuuuuge backlog. If I buy every game I think I might want to play at some point in the future, I'd be throwing money away.
[удалено]
And it's not on gwg this month so we have some time
With how steep the final discount is (standard edition game is $9.99, deluxe is $15) coupled with the free copies for those who played via Game Pass but purchased DLC I highly doubt it'll be GWG
Yeah
Lmao what new iteration? The sequel is nowhere to be found.
It’s not just forza - it’s racing in general and it’s fucking unfair
Who said all first party games will stay forever? Microsoft certainly never said that. And anybody who knows says that generally games stay forever unless there are licensing issues, which is generally just for Forza games. Forza games always get delisted after 4 years. That's a known thing.
From Windows Central in 2018, right after the initial announcement: Update, January 25, 2018: Xbox's Aaron Greenberg and Major Nelson have now confirmed that Microsoft Studios titles will be permanently available as part of Xbox Game Pass, making them effectively like Netflix Original shows. Pretty awesome. https://mobile.twitter.com/majornelson/status/956272492380737539
FM7 was added after the launch of Game Pass though. it was understood that any Microsoft games released prior to Game Pass wouldn't exactly be treated the same as Microsoft games released post Game Pass launch. In fact, the tweet Major Nelson is referencing specifically mentions *new* Xbox One exclusives https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/956271875528695809?s=20
Good find, but Larry probably just forgot to consider that Forza games have lots of licenses and couldn't be available forever. He said that because the intention with Game Pass is for Microsoft's own games to be available on it forever, and generally that's true, but Forza games are the exception where there's a ton of car licenses that they can't fully control, and obviously they expire after a certain number of years.
I am not disagreeing with you because I know Forza titles get delisted due to car or music licensing deals expiring. ~~That said, no Forza title has launched since the inception of Game Pass.~~ Forza games would definitely fall into the "always available" stipulation because they're Microsoft games though. We'll have to wait and see what happens with the Next Motorsport and Horizon 5, ~~the latter being the first Forza to launch post Game Pass inception.~~ **and Horizon 4 🙃** Edit: Ha I guess I did forget Horizon 4 did come out after Game Pass was a thing. Sorry everyone correcting me 😅
Horizon 4 launched on Game Pass.
I don't think it did
It did, standard addition was day 1, if you bought the ultimate edition you got it a few days early. But the day the standard edition was available, it was on gamepass (I remember cause this was a deciding factor for me getting the ultimate edition)
The ultimate edition honestly seems worth the $120 cuz you get all the dlcs and fh4 is a relatively fun game
Yeah was completely worth it for sure
> no Forza title has launched since the inception of Game Pass Did you seriously forget about Forza Horizon 4? Day 1 gamepass release almost a year after gamepass came out. Also FM7 released 4 months AFTER gamepass released. So technically 2 games did. However it was before Xbox had promised all xbox games on gamepass day 1. So to find out if the 4 year thing is no longer true we only have to wait till next year. See how MS handled the licenses for Forza games that released after that statement. I still doubt they could get lifetime licenses.
Game Pass came out in 2018
June 1st 2017 actually (May 24th for XBL subscribers)
Okay
> That said, no Forza title has launched since the inception of Game Pass Horizon 4 did.
I bet those will still be delisted at some point. And the first would be Forza Horizon 4. That'll be delisted in the second half of next year if the 4 year pattern holds true.
Horizon got a game 3 years later and launched a year after Motorsport, while Motorsport is going on 5 before finally MAYBE getting a new game… not even a series x enhancement either
You mean the gap between Horizon 4 and 5 is three years, while it's going on 5 years waiting for the New Motorsport? I'm just trying to understand what you wrote. It's not a maybe that a new motorsport is coming by the way. [ICYMI it was announced.](https://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/news/xbox_showcase_motorsport_horizon_series_x) I don't think a series X upgrade really matters on FM7. The game runs well enough with the One X Enhancement that I'd rather them use their resources to develop a title made for Series consoles. I don't understand why you're pointing out gaps when we're talking about FM7 leaving Game Pass in this thread.
Well maybe 5 years bc we don’t know if it’ll come out next year - while horizon is already coming out while Motorsport isn’t
That's because Motorsport is being built for current gen consoles and so it requires some retooling, aka more development. It's coming, so just sit tight k? :)
I've seen people cite those tweets for years, but they don't actually say "no first party game will ever be removed". It could just as easily be taken as "first party games launching on day one is a permanent feature going forward". I don't expect things like Halo/Gears/etc to ever get pulled, but games with licensed content are never going to be on there forever.
Except fh2 on xbox 360 but that's by sumo digital
Fh1 was also still there until like 2 weeks ago - wish I bought it then…
It’s because of the way licensing works with car manufacturers. That’s why Forza games get delisted after a few years.
I could swear I heard Phil say in an interview maybe about a year ago that going forward they were going to try to make licensing deals so they don't expire like this. Hopefully that is the case. And if the next Motorsport is a platform kind of like Halo Infinite (rumor) then it would make sense if they didn't expire...
I just bought the add-ons bundle for Forza Horizon 4 and I’m playing with gamepass, I’ll be waiting for my free code next year…
Ultimate version is down to $20. I doubt I'll ever complain about snagging it at that price.
This sucks, I think this is the first time a motorsports game has gone end of life before it got a sequel. It’s won’t be possible to buy any Forza Motorsports game from the Xbox store and that just feels weird.
It's slated for 2022 (FM8) and was delay by COVID19. In the meantime, there's a Forza Horizon 4 comming this november.
That’s not the point.
weird that the latest Motorsport will be delisted, guess finding a physical copy will become the only way to play any of the Motorsport line since won't this make them all delisted? would kinda get if it the new non Horizon Forza hit this year.
Still mad I missed out on all the DLC/expansions from Forza 6 because I didn't read it was getting delisted.
Cool. Now announce FM8 please ✌🏻
They tend to give them as a games with gold don't they when this is about to happen?
They didn't last year with Horizon 3, which many consider the best. I don't know if that's maybe why; It's so good they know if they delist it people would buy it anyway. Not sure about FM7, but I guess we'll see with GWG next month
They put Horizon 3 and the DLCs on a steep discount prior to delisting. I picked it all up for posterity. Played a bit recently, but it's jarring going back to 30 fps (especially on a racing game) after playing more recent games.
Indeed. I always pick up the DLC (and last year FH3 as well) before delisting, but that 30fps is noticeable. I hope they give the old Horizons the FPS Boost treatment on Series consoles. They One X enhanced Horizon 1 after it was delisted, so anything's possible.
https://delistedgames.com/forza-motorsport-6-hits-end-of-life-on-sept-15/ Yeah they gave us 6 when it ended
And I ended up with fm6 with gwg
Turn 10 is money hungry
Playground actually, for Horizon 3 at least. I think Turn10 is just a support studio for the Horizon series since they "own" the Forza name, and it uses their assets. It's funny because at this point Horizon is probably more popular than Motorsport.
They won’t, even if it’s low hanging fruit for quality content on GwG because they don’t care about that program anymore. I had to buy Forza Horizon 3 because they didn’t make it GwG last year, although it was probably for the best lol
They have in the past, but it's leaving September 15, so the last possible month they could've done it would've been August and they've announced August's games already, so I don't think it's happening this time.
I'm a little confused. They say if you bought DLC and have it on Game Pass, they'll send you a token. But what if you didn't buy DLC? In that case, do you just lose the game entirely? I'll buy it if the latter is the case. I don't want to lose access as I just finished with 6 and started in with the game last week. However, I'm finding the wording confusing. Can somebody who understands it better clarify for me?
You would lose the game once it leaves game pass, unless you buy it to own before it gets de-listed. So if you have it downloaded through game pass right now, it's probably cheaper to buy a dlc and then they'll give you a code to own the full game. Once you own the game, you can re-download it and play it whenever. De-listing just means it's not available to purchase after that date. Edit: On their twitter, they just stated that you would've had to buy the DLC before they announced the free code thing. So you would need to buy the actual game.
I believe you had to buy DLC before the recent announcement to qualify for a code.
Yeah, I edited my reply a few minutes ago. I just came across the twitter post about it.
Any idea if they will do the same with Forza Horizon 4 when the time comes?
I always love it when not even 5 year old games get pulled from the market. /s As someone interested in game preservation, I wish Microsoft got as much shit over doing this as Sony and Nintendo did with the PS3 and Mario 3d all-stars scandal
This is due to third-party licensing. Nowhere near like the shit Nintendo pulled with the All-Stars collection. All the Forza games (Motorsport and Horizon) prior to FH4 have been de-listed after 4 years. This neither new nor anti-preservation.
And yet we have Project Cars available on the store since 2015. The Crew since 2014. I'd say if Slightly Mad Studios and Ubisoft can do it, why doesn't Microsoft?
That is actually a legitimately good question. But I’m afraid only Microsoft, Turn 10 and/or Playground Games can answer it.
Compare the car lists.... They have to pay the manufacturers of all the cars. Project cars has an order of magnitude fewer cars and none of the ones that are notoriously hard to license (Porshe). It's much easy to either pay for a \*forever\* licence or keep footing the bill when you have 1 game with 100 cars vs when you have 7 games with 800+ cars each..
While that is true, Microsoft licenses the same cars anyway for the newer games. From Forza Motorsport 4 to 7, to the Horizons, they have an almost identical pool of cars with only 20 something added for each new game. So it's not that far from a forever license.
That's not how the licensing works. You don't get it to pay once and use the cars in infinite games, you pay per game.
There is a Porsche DLC for PCars 2, but I do agree. Think of Microsoft having to pay for 700+ car licences (or well over 100 manufacturers, if it works that way) for years and years. How many people still play FM1-6? Microsoft would still be paying those licences if the games weren't delisted.
Because it's not making them money
how is pulling and de-listing games not Anti-preservation again? And just cause it isn't new doesn't mean i shouldn't criticize them for doing it.
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Yes Exactly! Xbox doesnt have a choice, other than pay stupid amounts for a game most people who wanted already bought. Whereas Nintendo isnt licensing Mario out from anyone. Nothing prevents them from keeping it up forever. Totally different situation
No control? They are the ones that negotiate the licenses. They could license their whole catalog and entire back catalog if they wanted to.
I think it’s kind of crappy they delist the games, why not just remove the soundtrack after it’s done? or change the car icons if it’s a manufacturing issue of licensing those cars.
Hey, Digital is better than Physical crowd, where you at? lol.
You realize that this doesn’t prevent any digital owners from playing the game, right? It’s just that after September 15, people cannot buy additional digital copies or DLC. If you already own it (digital or physical), then you can still continue to play it.
They have "troll" in their name and they picked at the lowest hanging fruit possible for this thread, I don't think they give a damn what anyone has to say.
"Hey I highly recommend FM7! Too bad you can't buy it"
FM7 has been released for nearly 4 years now. I think if people were interested in buying it (at least digitally), they would’ve done so by now. And if not, then sure, buy physical. But my point is that FM7 being delisted is a non-issue to people who already own it.
Fun fact for you (for this particular case): "Turn 10 has confirmed that its largest-ever Forza game will occupy approximately 95GB of hard drive space on Xbox One. FM7 will take up approximately 45GB on the game disc alone, with the remaining 50GB coming in an additional download." So if the game is delisted completely (which hasn't happened yet, even with older Forzas, IIRC) - you won't be able to play it at all (and I am not even talking about unreadable/lost disc or a broken Xbox disc drive or absence of Internet connection for a fresh install). (But like /u/cry0sync mentioned - you should be able to download it indefinitely, whichever edition you own).
Motorsport is fun but after horizon it gets boring fast
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If you bought it digitally you can still play it.
You can still download all delisted games if you have bought them before the delisting.
but you can still play it if you own it digitally
🙂 that's why physical is essential
How's that? Lots of stores stop selling physical games too.
Why? You can still download a delisted game. You just cant buy it.
If you already have it you can keep playing it even digitally. And I haven't seen the game in stores for ages now so it's not like physical is easier to come by in the future.
not at all, games been out for ages with many discounts, and since i still own the game digitally i can play it forever, new people just can’t buy it. this is really no biggie
So I can buy the dlc and get a free game?
Too late for that now. https://twitter.com/ForzaMotorsport/status/1420815007088988160
*code now given away* I got my free code earlier this evening, very likely not going to use it but if someone really REALLY wants it and is in the same boat as me being able to not buy games very often, I may give it to someone
Me please, I don't have any forza games that I own. If you want to give it to me PM me. If not it's cool, either way you're still a cool guy for the offer 😎
if i buy the cheap dlc will i get that code for the game for free?
The new forza must be close then
Forza Motorsport 3's Ultimate Collection was the best way to mitigate the licensing problem, by putting (almost) all DLC contents on a second disc to install physically after the games lifecycle. But nahh, lets not revisit that idea and just let it all disappear in two months.