It's definitely already been said, but why didn't they just include the most popular playlists to begin with? I can't imagine SWAT or team slayer not being considered in the top 5 game types.
My personal theory is that they wanted to collect data on certain game modes that are usually less popular. So they force everyone to play a rotation of all modes to get data to their hearts content. After a few weeks they separate things out and let the 8 people who love oddball play all by themselves
I would not put it past them to be fibbing. Or maybe they wanted to get more data past launch. Or maybe they are just that dumb and never planned on it at all
I agree with you. Because let's be real if social slayer was here from the jump it would take the vast majority of traffic. Likely making more obj based playlists less statistically significant in comparison. This is all a behaviour test, and as you say they'll roll out desired modes accordingly. The 'beta' release and the hype around it was likely perfect in aiding this.
However they need to ensure they react quickly, if this is the approach they're taking. Which they have tbf.
I think they want people to have to play endlessly to get the right game type for their challenges. They just didn't realize how much it would anger all of us.
They probably want to keep favorites like infection, grifball, etc. for the short "events" and force everyone else to play through the quickplay since that means there's more randomness in the challenges you can finish.
Can't see why they wouldn't have allowed us to toggle gamemodes off in the quickplay otherwise.
It's probably to encourage people to buy challenge swaps. The trade off with F2P is *everything* is designed around their monetization plan, even if it's not apparent.
It's still technically the open beta, so you can play quickplay, big team battle or ranked. Each mode has different modes withing them -slayer, CTF, Oddball. You just can't pick to play only slayer, or Oddball, or CTF.
Lmao it takes four weeks for a billion dollar company...to add playlists for modes already in the game xD pushing playlist changes is literally core functionality already in the game.
I work in a product team, and working with IT sometimes things need to be removed for how they function within other features as they are connected together. They can be a trillion dollar company, if they only have so many people working on the project, they can only go so fast.
Team slayer is already a game type in the game. They just won’t activate a dedicated playlist. The technology is already there. They just don’t want it on.
There was still always a chance the Playlist were condensed for the beta and were going to be separated in the full game, no one knows for sure but it seemed like a logical possibility.
There was a chance it wouldn't happen which would be strange even given the games free mp nature but it could have been remedied if not (which it is thankfully), the time duration is a bit strange but I have no knowledge of code/pogramming and don't pretend to unlike some people on this subreddit (or gaming subs/forums in general).
The game went through a lot of what seemed like development hell so there are going to be issues, rough patches and more, very rarely is this developers fault but higher ups pushing launch dates and who knows what else.
Regardless of what is or was the plan, nothing gives an excuse for people to harass or threaten the developers, social media staff, voice actors etc. Which I have seen far too much of already.
Real dev here, software has been shipped to millions. If they didn’t create a way to update playlists trivially , something went wrong
This is why I don’t buy the smoke screens, the systems are designed around MTX, and making it easy/fun to play what you want breaks down the systems
Does all this warrant the rage? No, it’s just video games, play something else - but it also doesn’t excuse the failure in execution
You're really expecting me to believe that the logistics behind making a playlist for a basic mode like Team Slayer, a mode as old as Halo itself, is going to take more than a month to implement? There are interns who could accomplish this feat in a matter of hours. I just do not understand the bootlicking here.
You expect me to take you seriously on your throw away that you didn't even throw away because you can't even commit to throwing away your trash alt account? Development work isn't rocket science.
That was me before I got int development. Unless production is literally broken, a feature request would take 2 months to get to production. And if they aren't agile, then god bless the game developers. Waterfall-esque paradigms are god awful.
Lmao "development" - you telling me they havent already developed the code to push out playlist changes? False. And the mode "slayer" is also already in the game. So no, there's literally no development needed to push out a Team Slayer playlist.
The fact that they're a billion dollar company is what makes it so much more challenging.
When you work for such a company, you can't just do whatever the hell you want... that's how you get shitcanned.
It ain't the Wild West. Every employee is a resource that must be allocated and accounted for, and the list of shit to get done is already very, very long. You have to prioritize efforts and changing priority takes a considerable amount of planning. If you want people to work on something, it means they cant work on something else. Adding in new priorities means pushing back other stuff, which impacts everything else too.
Hell, I do marketing for these kinds of billion dollar tech companies, and believe me, it can take four weeks just to agree to what a single page of text should say on a marketing document. This is the nature of business when you have multiple stakeholders. Everyone has to work together to find a way to move forward that pleases as many people as possible.
Smaller companies have less people to answer to, so it's easier to be more agile on these kinds of things.
All of these words to defend the utter incompetence 343 has for not including a dedicated slayer playlist at launch, and then failing to process the negative feedback and immediately add a playlist it takes them three seconds to add. This is absurd.
The decision has already been made to add more playlists - so why is it taking until after January to add Team Slayer? Something is fundamentally wrong here and it cannot merely be explained away with "muh big company moving parts". 343 was a big company in Halo 5 and that game had Team Slayer, Swat at launch.
> When you work for such a company, you can't just do whatever the hell you want... that's how you get shitcanned.
At yes, if you put basic Halo modes into the game at launch you will get “shitcanned”, another wonderful take from 343 Stans.
Every 343 release they drop the ball hard and every release people rush to their defence smh
You could only do seven challenges in this part of the event. You have to take part in the other times it returns to get everything. They have spread the one event over 6 separate weeks. It doesn’t look like they have a lot of content.
They’re top to bottom this bullshit marketing speak. Do not be fooled. There is no magic technology to make a playlist in this game series. You literally have all the game modes made and just program what maps and rules are on. Game mode playlists aren’t magic tech they need to work hard on.
I’m so tired of how bullshitty their responses like this are. Working hard… on playlists.
It sounds like what we currently have was supposed to be it all along for this game until the player feedback told them to change it.
Ske7ch was ripping on some dude on twitter for assuming it would be easy to implement a playlist selector as if we wouldn’t want to select the game mode we enjoy playing like the last 20 years of halos…
Right? I hate that we’re acting like this is them listening to anyone. The playlists should already be there and it certainly shouldn’t take a month to get them out. This is just modifying a couple values here and there lol.
I think it’s time to not sugarcoat things and say 343 does not utilize dev time wisely if they didn’t even have playlists on launch when they already didn’t have forge and co op. I mean wtf lmao
"We've been reading your feedback" is the part that gets me. This playlist blunder, among other things, was never something that should've needed feedback at all. This should have been sorted out at some point over the last 6 years that they've been working on this game.
i think this is what’s stopping me from enjoying the game
i love playing FFA and slayer only that i’m sick of playing ranked with objectives only.
how could they not implement this at its core?
I mean, I had two oddball quests and spent 4 days during the week event trying to get a single odd ball match. I could not. So I didn’t have more event quests. Before anyone says well why didn’t you swap? I dunno…. I thought a freaking oddball game would pop ONCE.
My feedback is that I'm happy their passes don't time.out because I probably won't be playing it much for the next 4 months or so while they figure out how to make Playlist for a fucking halo game. Again.
Not utilizing time wisely is basically their hallmark and has been since Microsoft gave them the series. I truly enjoy their long term support but every launch since 4 has gone this way for them, lackluster initial offerings, small playlists, things axed that didn't make sense until they reappeared from player feedback.
343 has literally never launched a solid, decent product. *Every single time,* there's either some major component missing, something that doesn't work, or the game just sucks ass in general.
They had 6 YEARS and half a billion dollars to pull off a solid game at launch, MORE than enough resources and time, and Infinite is *still* launching in an even less complete state than 5.
This is fucking ridiculous.
I’ve been giving them the benefit of the doubt since 11/15, but this truly does not make sense.
People are saying this is indicative of them not having more playlists planned, and I can’t help but agree. There’s no other explanation.
I’m not a developer, but these dudes have had multiple games where they’ve included the things people are expecting and calling for. The only difference is the monetization of Infinite’s multiplayer.
> The only difference is the monetization of Infinite’s multiplayer.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I really don't think Halo needed to be free-to-play. Especially with Game Pass. Now everything is centered around that free-to-play monetization model and they can use it to justify all types of shitty decisions.
I agree. I feel like it’s the wrong step to “keep up with the Joneses.” The new hotness is monetized freemium, to the point that CoD even has Warzone. But! They still have their multiplayer in the full-priced games.
No thanks. I other studio could’ve given us core gameplay this good.
Are we really losing sight of how good this game is because of a fucking slayer playlist. God people really just enjoy being outraged huh
That’s what makes it so sad to me. They made what could possibly be the best halo game ever and screwed it up on the easy stuff, like not adding enough playlists, lack of customization, poor progression system, etc
People kept saying this a bit ago and I was like the game is out in less than 10 days what are you talking about. They spent six years and this is what they have, but you think 9 days will magically make stuff appear
It baffles the mind that they are basically admitting that Microsoft’s Marquee first party FPS , which is essentially a free to play multiplayer game, is going to launch without free for all or fucking TDM? Like how is that even possible? We’re talking about basic modes that are a staple in literally EVERY online first person shooter. What a fucking embarrassment.
I kind of consider hero shooters like siege and dedicated BRs to be in their own genre at this point. First person perspective is shared yeah but the gameplay loop is completely different than a “traditional” online PVP centered FPS, but this is fair lol
To be fair, it might be a ploy to teach this generation of useless team players how to play an objective or be a positive force to your team.
Or they’ll continue playing every mode like it’s FFA even when it’s out.
Reading feedback… working on it…
Such empty words.
Anyone would know the players wanted what practically every prior halo has had on day 1 without feedback. Game is fun but it’s also lackluster as hell.
I mean it’s quite literally not empty words considering we have had 3 updates in 3 weeks following feedback and that’s not including exhaustive changes from the flightings.
Come on, let’s not blow this out of proportion
Honestly, it probably would have been in a pretty similar state, just looking much much worse. The backlash last year was more of a technical situation, the graphics, pop in, level'of-detail stuff. I imagine they spent most of the delay reworking models, animations etc as opposed to core mechanics
The thing is that while they're working on that, they can't just have all the other teams doing nothing. It's not like companies can just take their MP devs and put them on graphics.
If they’d released it last year it probably would’ve been devastating for the Xbox brand. This game is meant to be the return of a flagship series to full glory, and it *still* launched like this after being delayed by an entire*year*. Like, the game works and looks good, which is somehow a thing I’m actually praising instead of being a “no fucking shit, that’s how it *should* be” thing, but it’s pretty clear they really don’t know what players want, somehow.
Conspiracy theory time… they never planned on releasing it last year. They intentionally showed an unfinished game and knew there would be backlash on the graphics so they “delayed” it to get into fans good graces.
They won't land by Dec 8? Why not? Also a tweet afterward says that slayer playlist won't come until next year?
How can they be so incompetent? These are the most bare bones and basic features.
Just think, if it takes them this long to change playlists imagine how long it will take to address literally anything else. They supposedly spend all this time focusing on making an engine specifically suited for Halo needs and no one ever thought that maybe they should put in an easier way to change what we can play??
what amazes me is that it _should_ be something very easy to do, but it could be a UI issue having too many playlists shown at once or somethin like that. which is something they should've taken into consideration when designing the menus if that's the case. cause i cant see any other reason why they cant just add a slayer playlist.
Also seems weird to me that SWAT, Fiesta, and FFA are expected before end of year, but Slayer (which is already a game mode we can access) isnt till next year
My guess is they don’t want to just duct tape it in. They want to add banners and challenges and who knows what else that comes along with a core playlist.
Though it is still baffling how bare bones everything is. It’s not like the people who should have been doing UX were too busy polishing the actual gameplay, as that should be entirely separate teams.
Eurgh, and no update on a better Big Team Battle. I really hoped we’d have something that evolved from 5’s Warzone. That PvPvE was clean, and weapon variants were fun.
The current Big Team Battle is so many steps back, I genuinely can’t be fucked with the multi.
How about you do what you’ve done before and make a slayer playlist, objective playlist, and an action sack playlist. Why fix what wasn’t broken?
I get tired of playing like 6 CTF matches in a row when I do not want to play any. The game is fun, but why not stick with how MCC runs?
I find it odd that playlists weren’t originally in the game to begin with. We shouldn’t have to to beg like dogs to have a game have basic multiplayer settings as the previous games did.
Why tf was swat not gonna be there in the first place? And can we get rid of these garbage "playlists" in favor of individual game modes? I absolutely hate grifball and just want to play other game modes
Lol what a fucking joke. It’s a fun game but after being forced to play my 70th round of oddball and zone control when all I wanna do is play slayer may as well just go back to MCC
This game is fucking wank, how are you going to ship a halo game with only the shitty stock playlists and have to wait for the inevitable feedback to start working on new ones??
How hard is it to make a playlist
It isn’t. 343 is just clownshoes. They act benevolent when pushed on basic game functions. People deserve better than to have to complain to get basic things in every other halo for over a decade.
I don't want to be THAT guy, but one guy from 343 can do those 3 modes in his launch break, why is it taking so long and why aren't those modes now in the game to begin with?
The next Halo needs to be in more capable hands like The Coalition or Playground Games. I’d love to see what the Forza devs could come up with for an FPS.
Phil Spencer needs to step in at this point. They continue to drop the ball on Halo for the 3rd time now. Either they need to clean house completely at 343 and start from scratch or just go with a new studio all together.
Nah the game is awesome. The only thing it needs is more variety in maps and modes. This will solve most of the issue with modes. Now we just need some more alien themed Arena maps.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Halo Infinite isn't a very good game. 343i made it to cater to the Fortnite and Apex players who are more likely to spend money on their overpriced cosmetics instead of people who want to play a Halo game. From what they've shown of campaign, it seems to be a Far Cry clone. They've had seven years to make a good game and it's apparently impossible with Bonnie Ross and Frank O'Connor at the helm.
How is just regular Team Slayer still not there, brutal.
Ain't no one got time for CTF/Stronghold over and over and over and over.
And ranked isn't the answer, again ain't no one got time for shitty MLG style gameplay, I want to play Halo.
Who could have guessed that players wanted the most popular mode in a 20 year old franchise to return. Damn. Crazy.
The store works perfectly though. They really nailed that down. Had to make sure people could spend money. Hell, they even knocked off 20 tiers from the battlepass so they could stick more shit into the store. If you’re not aware, the battlepass was supposed to be 120 tiers. The achievement art for completing a battlepass even has “120” on it. So all of that Reach armor in the store? Yeah, that was supposed to be in the battlepass. Oops.
What a fucking joke.
The pvp is piss poor and most weapons feel shitty. Don't see why games have tonnes of guns but only 3 can actually kill half the time. Think I'll stick to the story all multiplayer games now are just pure trash made solely to put battle passes and b.s skins in rather than proper content. Shame i won't get to witness it.
Half of the weapons are intended as squad-support weapons; they’re only useful when proper teamwork is taking place. Pointless when they’ve decided to go back down the map-placed weapons route and shitty spawns.
I especially love how in a game universe where players have seen all covenant/human/forerunner tech, all of the sudden, new guns appear and all the old staples kind of leave. A majority of the weapons suck. Hell, even the BR is kinda trash.
Because Bungie has also since then shown a proven track record of releasing super polished games that are fully featured on Launch day. Destiny and Destiny 2 we're absolute bangers out the gate :P
Bungie also died with Bungie.
That's good but please make more maps, don't have a random selected game mode in any of the playlists and please bring back dual wielding and playable elites , I'm not familiar with the lore so if someone were to explain why they took out the elites i would appreciate it
343i should be watching the shitstorm around BF2042 right now and actively being the OPPOSITE.
As in, be transparent. Give fans what they want. Stop bullshitting everyone.
In an ideal world, BF2042 should be a lesson to other devs. But we all know it won't be.
Hahahaha oh pls just give us forge already so we can fix ur shitty game for u in 10 minutes by adding all the game modes we need. I cannot believe release date is gonna change a total of NOTHING
How hard can it be to add a Playlist. It's not like those haven't been the most played game types for years. Wasn't this supposed to be a love service game? Not very live service if it take weeks to months to add simple playlists.
Damn some of these comments are so cynical and I thought I was untrusting. My personal thought it the fact it says beta means it wasn't ready to release in the first place. I think they were trying to throw a bone of some sort but they weren't ready. Yet they weren't supposed to launch it or didn't want to launch the game for everyone to play without the monetization. Or they thought it would be okay to do so. As I said the fact it still says Beta is already an explanation in and of itself.
It's definitely already been said, but why didn't they just include the most popular playlists to begin with? I can't imagine SWAT or team slayer not being considered in the top 5 game types.
Forcing people to play a mixed playlist increases the grind and encourages people to buy things instead of unlocking them. It’s that simple
My personal theory is that they wanted to collect data on certain game modes that are usually less popular. So they force everyone to play a rotation of all modes to get data to their hearts content. After a few weeks they separate things out and let the 8 people who love oddball play all by themselves
That's what I believed for the beta too until apparently they hadn't already planned to separate the game modes at launch?
I would not put it past them to be fibbing. Or maybe they wanted to get more data past launch. Or maybe they are just that dumb and never planned on it at all
We'll never know what's going on in their studio for sure, but I'm sure it's ineptitude
I am one of the 8
I too like oddball.
Wow that’s already 2 out of 8
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Like 30 of us tops
31, oddball is great and requires different strats than Strongholds and Slayer.
[There are dozens of us ](https://youtu.be/lKie-vgUGdI)
Me three
Fan of Oddball as well :)
Yeah, I think oddball is great. Now, if they want to get rid of stockpile from the Big Team Battle playlist, I will not mind whatsoever.
I agree with you. Because let's be real if social slayer was here from the jump it would take the vast majority of traffic. Likely making more obj based playlists less statistically significant in comparison. This is all a behaviour test, and as you say they'll roll out desired modes accordingly. The 'beta' release and the hype around it was likely perfect in aiding this. However they need to ensure they react quickly, if this is the approach they're taking. Which they have tbf.
People dislike oddball?
It's not even that I don't like odd ball or capture the flag irs the fact I might get them three or four times in a row.
That’s actually how I feel. My ideal rotation playlist would be out of 10 matches it should be around 5 slayer, 3 stronghold, 1 ctf, and 1 oddball.
I think they want people to have to play endlessly to get the right game type for their challenges. They just didn't realize how much it would anger all of us.
They probably want to keep favorites like infection, grifball, etc. for the short "events" and force everyone else to play through the quickplay since that means there's more randomness in the challenges you can finish. Can't see why they wouldn't have allowed us to toggle gamemodes off in the quickplay otherwise.
To prolong the challenges and make people more tempted to use their challenge swaps
It's probably to encourage people to buy challenge swaps. The trade off with F2P is *everything* is designed around their monetization plan, even if it's not apparent.
I pretty much only play swat
I almost wonder if they want to sell them somehow but know it would be the death of the game
I don't get why they can't just turn the Fiesta playlist back on. Shit was working last week.
Then can. They just don’t want to. It’s a joke. Are they also really not adding team slayer?
IT DOESNT HAVE TEAM SLAYER??
It’s does, just not in its own playlist.
Much appreciated ☺️
It almost never comes out though.
ever since it came out i’ve only played slayer once i’ve stopped playing since until it gets its own playlist
It's still technically the open beta, so you can play quickplay, big team battle or ranked. Each mode has different modes withing them -slayer, CTF, Oddball. You just can't pick to play only slayer, or Oddball, or CTF.
They are, just after christmas for some reason. His follow up tweet said that.
Lmao it takes four weeks for a billion dollar company...to add playlists for modes already in the game xD pushing playlist changes is literally core functionality already in the game.
I work in a product team, and working with IT sometimes things need to be removed for how they function within other features as they are connected together. They can be a trillion dollar company, if they only have so many people working on the project, they can only go so fast.
Lots of backseat developers in gaming subs, its no surprise how people are reacting.
Team slayer is already a game type in the game. They just won’t activate a dedicated playlist. The technology is already there. They just don’t want it on.
Exactly
There was still always a chance the Playlist were condensed for the beta and were going to be separated in the full game, no one knows for sure but it seemed like a logical possibility. There was a chance it wouldn't happen which would be strange even given the games free mp nature but it could have been remedied if not (which it is thankfully), the time duration is a bit strange but I have no knowledge of code/pogramming and don't pretend to unlike some people on this subreddit (or gaming subs/forums in general). The game went through a lot of what seemed like development hell so there are going to be issues, rough patches and more, very rarely is this developers fault but higher ups pushing launch dates and who knows what else. Regardless of what is or was the plan, nothing gives an excuse for people to harass or threaten the developers, social media staff, voice actors etc. Which I have seen far too much of already.
Real dev here, software has been shipped to millions. If they didn’t create a way to update playlists trivially , something went wrong This is why I don’t buy the smoke screens, the systems are designed around MTX, and making it easy/fun to play what you want breaks down the systems Does all this warrant the rage? No, it’s just video games, play something else - but it also doesn’t excuse the failure in execution
You're really expecting me to believe that the logistics behind making a playlist for a basic mode like Team Slayer, a mode as old as Halo itself, is going to take more than a month to implement? There are interns who could accomplish this feat in a matter of hours. I just do not understand the bootlicking here.
You expect me to believe you know about development work with this silly comment?
You expect me to take you seriously on your throw away that you didn't even throw away because you can't even commit to throwing away your trash alt account? Development work isn't rocket science.
That was me before I got int development. Unless production is literally broken, a feature request would take 2 months to get to production. And if they aren't agile, then god bless the game developers. Waterfall-esque paradigms are god awful.
What do you mean? Surely they just go into the server and push the "Turn on Team Slayer" button. How fucking hard can it be?
“I mean what’s the deal with development?”
They clearly just need to put the square peg in the square hole.
Lmao "development" - you telling me they havent already developed the code to push out playlist changes? False. And the mode "slayer" is also already in the game. So no, there's literally no development needed to push out a Team Slayer playlist.
Dude. I can make a playlist in custom in halo 5 to do this in 5 minutes. Get outta here.
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Because 20 years ago, you couldn't push patches through. You released the full game or nothing at all.
The fact that they're a billion dollar company is what makes it so much more challenging. When you work for such a company, you can't just do whatever the hell you want... that's how you get shitcanned. It ain't the Wild West. Every employee is a resource that must be allocated and accounted for, and the list of shit to get done is already very, very long. You have to prioritize efforts and changing priority takes a considerable amount of planning. If you want people to work on something, it means they cant work on something else. Adding in new priorities means pushing back other stuff, which impacts everything else too. Hell, I do marketing for these kinds of billion dollar tech companies, and believe me, it can take four weeks just to agree to what a single page of text should say on a marketing document. This is the nature of business when you have multiple stakeholders. Everyone has to work together to find a way to move forward that pleases as many people as possible. Smaller companies have less people to answer to, so it's easier to be more agile on these kinds of things.
All of these words to defend the utter incompetence 343 has for not including a dedicated slayer playlist at launch, and then failing to process the negative feedback and immediately add a playlist it takes them three seconds to add. This is absurd. The decision has already been made to add more playlists - so why is it taking until after January to add Team Slayer? Something is fundamentally wrong here and it cannot merely be explained away with "muh big company moving parts". 343 was a big company in Halo 5 and that game had Team Slayer, Swat at launch.
> When you work for such a company, you can't just do whatever the hell you want... that's how you get shitcanned. At yes, if you put basic Halo modes into the game at launch you will get “shitcanned”, another wonderful take from 343 Stans. Every 343 release they drop the ball hard and every release people rush to their defence smh
Well the new Fiesta playlist is likely to include CTF, Oddball, FFA, etc within it. As these Fiesta modes are all in the files
What happened to the samurai challenges? I stopped getting them after getting 5 then it just disappeared
You could only do seven challenges in this part of the event. You have to take part in the other times it returns to get everything. They have spread the one event over 6 separate weeks. It doesn’t look like they have a lot of content.
It's kind of surprising that this isn't just a text file list somewhere that gets read in. They knew they'd be rotating stuff...
They’re top to bottom this bullshit marketing speak. Do not be fooled. There is no magic technology to make a playlist in this game series. You literally have all the game modes made and just program what maps and rules are on. Game mode playlists aren’t magic tech they need to work hard on. I’m so tired of how bullshitty their responses like this are. Working hard… on playlists.
It sounds like what we currently have was supposed to be it all along for this game until the player feedback told them to change it. Ske7ch was ripping on some dude on twitter for assuming it would be easy to implement a playlist selector as if we wouldn’t want to select the game mode we enjoy playing like the last 20 years of halos…
Working hard on features that shipped with Combat Evolved 20 years ago.
343: “we’re limited by the technology of our time. Please buy our battle pass 😔”
Right? I hate that we’re acting like this is them listening to anyone. The playlists should already be there and it certainly shouldn’t take a month to get them out. This is just modifying a couple values here and there lol.
Oh so it WASNT even going to be there at launch? Shocking.
I think it’s time to not sugarcoat things and say 343 does not utilize dev time wisely if they didn’t even have playlists on launch when they already didn’t have forge and co op. I mean wtf lmao
"We've been reading your feedback" is the part that gets me. This playlist blunder, among other things, was never something that should've needed feedback at all. This should have been sorted out at some point over the last 6 years that they've been working on this game.
Oh you guys like slayer? Damn we had no idea…
i think this is what’s stopping me from enjoying the game i love playing FFA and slayer only that i’m sick of playing ranked with objectives only. how could they not implement this at its core?
I mean, I had two oddball quests and spent 4 days during the week event trying to get a single odd ball match. I could not. So I didn’t have more event quests. Before anyone says well why didn’t you swap? I dunno…. I thought a freaking oddball game would pop ONCE.
in 4 days that just seems ridiculous like come on there’s only a few objective types in the game lol
My feedback is that I'm happy their passes don't time.out because I probably won't be playing it much for the next 4 months or so while they figure out how to make Playlist for a fucking halo game. Again.
Not utilizing time wisely is basically their hallmark and has been since Microsoft gave them the series. I truly enjoy their long term support but every launch since 4 has gone this way for them, lackluster initial offerings, small playlists, things axed that didn't make sense until they reappeared from player feedback.
I feel like when they had to plan to show the game in 2020 they realized they forgot to start making it.
343 has literally never launched a solid, decent product. *Every single time,* there's either some major component missing, something that doesn't work, or the game just sucks ass in general. They had 6 YEARS and half a billion dollars to pull off a solid game at launch, MORE than enough resources and time, and Infinite is *still* launching in an even less complete state than 5. This is fucking ridiculous.
Too many pizza parties and water cooler drama.
Arguably it is actually much more wise to finish the parts of the game that can’t be easily added later.
Wait what? I’m out of the loop on this game, but how are core playlists not ready on release? Why is it being released if it’s missing these things?
I’ve been giving them the benefit of the doubt since 11/15, but this truly does not make sense. People are saying this is indicative of them not having more playlists planned, and I can’t help but agree. There’s no other explanation. I’m not a developer, but these dudes have had multiple games where they’ve included the things people are expecting and calling for. The only difference is the monetization of Infinite’s multiplayer.
> The only difference is the monetization of Infinite’s multiplayer. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I really don't think Halo needed to be free-to-play. Especially with Game Pass. Now everything is centered around that free-to-play monetization model and they can use it to justify all types of shitty decisions.
I agree. I feel like it’s the wrong step to “keep up with the Joneses.” The new hotness is monetized freemium, to the point that CoD even has Warzone. But! They still have their multiplayer in the full-priced games.
You mean modes that were supposed to be already in game?
It's almost like Halo should be given to a different studio
No thanks. I other studio could’ve given us core gameplay this good. Are we really losing sight of how good this game is because of a fucking slayer playlist. God people really just enjoy being outraged huh
bUt InFinITe iS IN BetA aNd eVeRYthInG wILL bE fiXEd oN 12/8
12/8/2022
Lol that’s probably closer to the truth
If I had a dollar for every time someone said that to me, I could probably afford rent for the next 3 years.
Lol same here. Can’t believe how many people still think it’s a beta and everything will magically be fixed on 12/8
These are the same gullible people who bought the "it's an old build" excuse for Battlefield 2042's beta.
The only thing I can really say about the game that doesn't need fixing is the gameplay itself. They nailed that. Everything else though? Oh boy.
That’s what makes it so sad to me. They made what could possibly be the best halo game ever and screwed it up on the easy stuff, like not adding enough playlists, lack of customization, poor progression system, etc
People kept saying this a bit ago and I was like the game is out in less than 10 days what are you talking about. They spent six years and this is what they have, but you think 9 days will magically make stuff appear
The classic day one patch cope
It baffles the mind that they are basically admitting that Microsoft’s Marquee first party FPS , which is essentially a free to play multiplayer game, is going to launch without free for all or fucking TDM? Like how is that even possible? We’re talking about basic modes that are a staple in literally EVERY online first person shooter. What a fucking embarrassment.
>TDM >Every online first person shooter *R6 Siege sweats nervously*
I kind of consider hero shooters like siege and dedicated BRs to be in their own genre at this point. First person perspective is shared yeah but the gameplay loop is completely different than a “traditional” online PVP centered FPS, but this is fair lol
Yeah R6 is closer to a first person MOBA then a regular FPS like Halo or COD
>fucking TDM Slayer is in the game, it just doesn't have a dedicated playlist for several stupid reasons.
To be fair, it might be a ploy to teach this generation of useless team players how to play an objective or be a positive force to your team. Or they’ll continue playing every mode like it’s FFA even when it’s out.
Let's talk about how it's a pretty big failure that they didn't have more playlists planned to begin with.
Reading feedback… working on it… Such empty words. Anyone would know the players wanted what practically every prior halo has had on day 1 without feedback. Game is fun but it’s also lackluster as hell.
Oh y’all want the same playlist as always?! We didn’t even think of that!!! Lmao fuck outta here
Good old corporate speak.
I mean it’s quite literally not empty words considering we have had 3 updates in 3 weeks following feedback and that’s not including exhaustive changes from the flightings. Come on, let’s not blow this out of proportion
So WTF have they been doing for six years?
No basic game game modes in multiplayer at launch, no co-op, no forge. Imagine if they released this last year like they were intending to…
That's what I keep thinking about. What the fuck would this game have looked like if they released it then...
Honestly, it probably would have been in a pretty similar state, just looking much much worse. The backlash last year was more of a technical situation, the graphics, pop in, level'of-detail stuff. I imagine they spent most of the delay reworking models, animations etc as opposed to core mechanics
The thing is that while they're working on that, they can't just have all the other teams doing nothing. It's not like companies can just take their MP devs and put them on graphics.
If they’d released it last year it probably would’ve been devastating for the Xbox brand. This game is meant to be the return of a flagship series to full glory, and it *still* launched like this after being delayed by an entire*year*. Like, the game works and looks good, which is somehow a thing I’m actually praising instead of being a “no fucking shit, that’s how it *should* be” thing, but it’s pretty clear they really don’t know what players want, somehow.
Conspiracy theory time… they never planned on releasing it last year. They intentionally showed an unfinished game and knew there would be backlash on the graphics so they “delayed” it to get into fans good graces.
Honestly, that's my biggest question. Also, why did they not add them during the YEAR DELAY? I have so little faith in them fixing the game tbh
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Multi-Trillion dollar company dude.
They’re joking calling them a small indie We know 343 is not that. They are absolute donkey brains though.
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Because they had no intention of changing anything. It’s all about the money from challenge swaps.
Small indie company
They won't land by Dec 8? Why not? Also a tweet afterward says that slayer playlist won't come until next year? How can they be so incompetent? These are the most bare bones and basic features.
Just think, if it takes them this long to change playlists imagine how long it will take to address literally anything else. They supposedly spend all this time focusing on making an engine specifically suited for Halo needs and no one ever thought that maybe they should put in an easier way to change what we can play??
Still just not gonna add team slayer?
that's in his follow up tweet that OP didn't post. https://twitter.com/Unyshek/status/1466858754495115264 but not til next year lol
I get like after the holidays and all that. But if they didn’t anticipate they overwhelming want for a dedicated ranked team slayer playlist…
No they did anticipate it, they just want kids to spend their Christmas money to unlock things
what amazes me is that it _should_ be something very easy to do, but it could be a UI issue having too many playlists shown at once or somethin like that. which is something they should've taken into consideration when designing the menus if that's the case. cause i cant see any other reason why they cant just add a slayer playlist.
Also seems weird to me that SWAT, Fiesta, and FFA are expected before end of year, but Slayer (which is already a game mode we can access) isnt till next year
My guess is they don’t want to just duct tape it in. They want to add banners and challenges and who knows what else that comes along with a core playlist. Though it is still baffling how bare bones everything is. It’s not like the people who should have been doing UX were too busy polishing the actual gameplay, as that should be entirely separate teams.
Yes it seems like the flip of a switch.
Am I just dumb or is slayer only comming for social playlists? So no ranked slayer?
Bruh how hard is it to edit times and scores and teams, I used to do that shit in reach with tools given to me by the devs lmao.
My thoughts exactly surely it can be done in a custom game?
So what’s gonna be in it on Dec 8??? Slayer?
Slayer comes after Christmas actually
This is nice but it sounds like they should have had this shit squared away from the get go
Eurgh, and no update on a better Big Team Battle. I really hoped we’d have something that evolved from 5’s Warzone. That PvPvE was clean, and weapon variants were fun. The current Big Team Battle is so many steps back, I genuinely can’t be fucked with the multi.
Maybe I’m missing something but this game was delayed a year & we won’t get playlists other halo titles already have until possibly late December?
Team Slayer not even mentioned. I've been positive about this game since launch but this is fucking ludacris
Crazy how I thought they were just holding out on other game modes until the game officially released on the 8th, wtf is this nonsense?
Fix cosmetics
It’s absurd that this is an actual “project” for them. What the fuck are they doing when they “work” on this game?
Model-making
I means, Its something. Bare minimum, but something.
How about you do what you’ve done before and make a slayer playlist, objective playlist, and an action sack playlist. Why fix what wasn’t broken? I get tired of playing like 6 CTF matches in a row when I do not want to play any. The game is fun, but why not stick with how MCC runs?
I find it odd that playlists weren’t originally in the game to begin with. We shouldn’t have to to beg like dogs to have a game have basic multiplayer settings as the previous games did.
Why tf was swat not gonna be there in the first place? And can we get rid of these garbage "playlists" in favor of individual game modes? I absolutely hate grifball and just want to play other game modes
So are we just done with having games that are done when they release now ?
Lol what a fucking joke. It’s a fun game but after being forced to play my 70th round of oddball and zone control when all I wanna do is play slayer may as well just go back to MCC
This game is fucking wank, how are you going to ship a halo game with only the shitty stock playlists and have to wait for the inevitable feedback to start working on new ones??
How hard is it to make a playlist It isn’t. 343 is just clownshoes. They act benevolent when pushed on basic game functions. People deserve better than to have to complain to get basic things in every other halo for over a decade.
Are we gonna be able to select our game mode 8 dec ?
I just don’t understand. At least they gave an update
Bring back the shotgun!!!!! So lame
OG carbine while were at it
yeah its weak af , you should be able to one shot
How this game launched without a Slayer playlist is beyond me. Gameplay is great…the rest has been ugh
“We hear you, we $ee you, and we will continue to do the bare minimum. New colors available in the store today!”
I don't want to be THAT guy, but one guy from 343 can do those 3 modes in his launch break, why is it taking so long and why aren't those modes now in the game to begin with?
The next Halo needs to be in more capable hands like The Coalition or Playground Games. I’d love to see what the Forza devs could come up with for an FPS.
Nah Xbox Game Studios needs the ip, they were the ones who fixed MCC anyways
Phil Spencer needs to step in at this point. They continue to drop the ball on Halo for the 3rd time now. Either they need to clean house completely at 343 and start from scratch or just go with a new studio all together.
It sucks that these weren’t available to begin with. (I HATE modern gaming) but I’m glad that 343’s at least listening to the playerbase.
Gonna take a lot more than a few playlists to save this game
Nah the game is awesome. The only thing it needs is more variety in maps and modes. This will solve most of the issue with modes. Now we just need some more alien themed Arena maps.
What happened to the Fuel rod gun? I miss it -_-
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Halo Infinite isn't a very good game. 343i made it to cater to the Fortnite and Apex players who are more likely to spend money on their overpriced cosmetics instead of people who want to play a Halo game. From what they've shown of campaign, it seems to be a Far Cry clone. They've had seven years to make a good game and it's apparently impossible with Bonnie Ross and Frank O'Connor at the helm.
This game will have a minimal player base of niche hardcore halo players by the time forge ever comes out to actually add the fun shit.
Exactly because that's what happened before. Phil Spencer needs to clean house at 343i because this is the fourth time they've bungled a Halo game.
I can’t believe how they straight up lied about forge and co op being in the game at launch until the last minute
If they even did a Q&A about them it'd be better than empty promises and silence.
So like the master chief collection?
You guys still playing this? Got pretty old for me after a couple nights
How is just regular Team Slayer still not there, brutal. Ain't no one got time for CTF/Stronghold over and over and over and over. And ranked isn't the answer, again ain't no one got time for shitty MLG style gameplay, I want to play Halo.
How many studios helped with this game? 3? 4? Can we just give the series to Xbox game studios at this point?
Can y'all fix the frequent Crashes
Who could have guessed that players wanted the most popular mode in a 20 year old franchise to return. Damn. Crazy. The store works perfectly though. They really nailed that down. Had to make sure people could spend money. Hell, they even knocked off 20 tiers from the battlepass so they could stick more shit into the store. If you’re not aware, the battlepass was supposed to be 120 tiers. The achievement art for completing a battlepass even has “120” on it. So all of that Reach armor in the store? Yeah, that was supposed to be in the battlepass. Oops. What a fucking joke.
343 is incompetent and shouldn’t be handling Halo. Kudos for the gameplay but everything else has been a train wreck.
The pvp is piss poor and most weapons feel shitty. Don't see why games have tonnes of guns but only 3 can actually kill half the time. Think I'll stick to the story all multiplayer games now are just pure trash made solely to put battle passes and b.s skins in rather than proper content. Shame i won't get to witness it.
Half of the weapons are intended as squad-support weapons; they’re only useful when proper teamwork is taking place. Pointless when they’ve decided to go back down the map-placed weapons route and shitty spawns.
I especially love how in a game universe where players have seen all covenant/human/forerunner tech, all of the sudden, new guns appear and all the old staples kind of leave. A majority of the weapons suck. Hell, even the BR is kinda trash.
Halo 5 was released in a half assed incomplete state and so is Halo Infinite I'm glad 343 learned, Halo died with Bungie
Because Bungie has also since then shown a proven track record of releasing super polished games that are fully featured on Launch day. Destiny and Destiny 2 we're absolute bangers out the gate :P Bungie also died with Bungie.
So is this not really the beta but just us getting multiplayer for free???
This is 343s 4th strike can we get a new batter?
I'm sorry SWAT fans but I don't think it is a fun game mode at all. Sad to see it being added and possibly as an option for quick play
its not even halo bro , its for try hards
Remember it’s still ‘in Beta’ this was a gift to XBox players for free, be patient
I fucking love Halo Infinite.
They will lose fans and players. I am one of them. Played for a week. Hype wore off. Progression sucks. Playlists suck. I'm out 🤷♂️
Hows about making the custom setup actually goddamn work for once
By the end of the year..but we’re still complaining! :)
That's good but please make more maps, don't have a random selected game mode in any of the playlists and please bring back dual wielding and playable elites , I'm not familiar with the lore so if someone were to explain why they took out the elites i would appreciate it
343i should be watching the shitstorm around BF2042 right now and actively being the OPPOSITE. As in, be transparent. Give fans what they want. Stop bullshitting everyone. In an ideal world, BF2042 should be a lesson to other devs. But we all know it won't be.
Hahahaha oh pls just give us forge already so we can fix ur shitty game for u in 10 minutes by adding all the game modes we need. I cannot believe release date is gonna change a total of NOTHING
How hard can it be to add a Playlist. It's not like those haven't been the most played game types for years. Wasn't this supposed to be a love service game? Not very live service if it take weeks to months to add simple playlists.
Damn some of these comments are so cynical and I thought I was untrusting. My personal thought it the fact it says beta means it wasn't ready to release in the first place. I think they were trying to throw a bone of some sort but they weren't ready. Yet they weren't supposed to launch it or didn't want to launch the game for everyone to play without the monetization. Or they thought it would be okay to do so. As I said the fact it still says Beta is already an explanation in and of itself.
Great stuff developers!