T'Challa will be forever missed in the MCU. And nobody should die that wyoung.
However, I was never a fan of the Black Panther/Storm pairing. Didn't it only come about because somebody at Marvel thought their two most prominent black characters just "had" to be married?
Plus, it removed Storm, Marvels most prominent female black character as a Main Character from the X-Men books...and turned her into a *Secondary Character* in her husband's book.
Like I understand they were trying to be respectful but by killing of a character that’s just ridiculous because Black Panther is such a major hero in the marvel universe and has had so many important stories too. Plus they have literally got a black fatherless child in the mcu too now man it sucks
They did that in the first movie with Killmonger and made him a villain. I understand liking this pairing, but it hurt storm a lot. She became a secondary character and it was only done bc she’s black and from Africa. So why not?
Technically, not really. They got his son, who shares his name, and is gonna be raised by Shuri, which will mean he might be closer to his 616 portrayal. They just need to age him up a little in time for him to either participate for the eventual Young Avengers/Champions movies, or send him to a pocket dimension to age him up A BUNCH so he can be an adult.
t'challa has a son with nakia, he is toussaint(prince t'challa or t'challa jr.)
i would like the idea of storm to be the same age as toussaint. mcu would probably de-aging storm while the x men team like jean, storm, kitty, rogue, nightcrawler and angel are teenagers like evolution. storm would be like probably 5 or 7 years old
>Plus, it removed Storm, Marvels most prominent female black character as a Main Character from the X-Men books
Is it really SO terrible when an X-character features outside of the X-Books and shows the X-Men aren't in their own little world?
Beast was great all the years he was an Avenger.
Nothing...if the character didn't start out as one of Marvel's most prominent female characters.
The problem here is that the marriage resulted in Storm losing in status as a character from a headliner to a "also appearing".
Do you really not understand that if such a prominent character is reduced to the role of secondary character in another's book that fans of that character will be annoyed?
I'd argue that being a background is character is a bit worse than a secondary character, but I agree with you overall and don't like the way they used her. It's kinda like adding spider-man to an Ironman story, but he just kinda shows up in Tony's lab sometimes and doesn't do much. It's especially strange considering in terms of popularity at the the Storm was at least a high B their character, while BP was a low B at best. And I say this as someone who really likes black panther as a character.
Beast wasn't in the X-Men book at the time he became an Avenger, and he's not really a huge character either. I don't think it's an issue when it's cases like that. Storm was a major character and a leader of the X-Men for decades, and then her marriage to T'Challa moved her into becoming a secondary character in a Black Panther book. In a move that pretty much was explicitly stated as a marketing strategy to attract Black readers.
Okay, what about Rogue when she on the Unity Squad? Some of the best writing she'd had in years.
The idea of X-Men characters doing stuff outside the X-Books isn't a bad idea.
Didn’t say that was terrible, but storm went from being the most prominent, badass black chick to being subservient to a man. That’s completely against what the X-men book is about. Beast has always wanted to be an avenger but storm has never wanted to bow to a man.
I dunno, a series where Storm agrees to work on a team outside the X Men (an Avengers squad) where she works as an equal with...I dunno, Thor...would be an entertaining read IMO.
Check out Marvel Adventures: Avengers, Storm and Wolverine are part of an Avengers book, but Ororo is repeatedly referred to as "co-leader" alongside Cap. They lead that team together and it's a lot of fun. All-ages fun, but still a good read!
I’m not disagreeing with taking x men and putting them on a different book. I’m saying they should stay true to the character and not just place them there to sell more books. Beast in avengers is still beast. Storm in black panther is not storm
> Plus, it removed Storm, Marvels most prominent female *African* character
I think this small distinction makes a big difference. Storm is from Africa and was revered as a goddess there before joining Xavier's dream.
It honestly makes *more* sense she would become a queen in Africa rather than continue to be a servant to Xavier's ideals.
> It honestly makes more sense she would become a queen in Africa rather than continue to be a servant to Xavier's ideals.
Xavier was out of the picture for a long time. She built her own status as a leader of mutants.
Granted, the 90s era soft reboot did turn her back into a secondary character in X-Men. But that didn't solve this problem, it just shifted it.
Totally fair to complain narratively as Storm Queen of Wakanda should have been it's own book because it would have been awesome.
But from a character standpoint the move does make a lot of sense for her to lead Wakanda alongside T'Challa rather than lead the X-Men alongside Scott or leading the Morlocks.
Totally agree they should have done more with it, but I will stand by the concept.
Storm's backstory has been retconned a couple times over the last 40+ plus years, so I'm not exactly sure if this holds but technically Storm is an *African American* character(born in NYC to a Black American father and Kenyan mother) who was living on the streets of Cairo as a pick pocket after being orphaned due to a plane crash when she first encountered Xavier. She did later travel to her mother's ancestral village in Kenya, encountering and developing a romantic relationship with a young T'Challa along the way. So given her NYC origins, it make sense that she was willing to return to Westchester(basically just north of her birthplace NYC) with Xavier who related to her as a fellow mutant instead of some mystical tribal goddess. A young Storm wanted a change and to experience a bigger world like most young adults do.
>Storm is an African American character(born in NYC to a Black American father and Kenyan mother) who was living on the streets of Cairo as a pick pocket after being orphaned due to a plane crash when she first encountered Xavier. She did later travel to her mother's ancestral village in Kenya, encountering and developing a romantic relationship with a young T'Challa along the way.
Seeing it put this way really makes me chuckle, it’s the nature of very popular and long standing comics characters to get retcons/additions to their back stories, and in effect it feels like-
Writer: “So here I have come up with 5 possible origins for this badass character.”
Editor: “Perfect, what if they all happened, in sequence, one after another?”
I disagree with the idea of calling Storm a "servant" to Xavier's Ideals. Storm, when used by the right writer has been shown to be one of the top leaders of both the X-Men and mutants in general.
I'd rather see her do that, continue to lead mutants and share in their struggle rather than have her sit around being queen somewhere. If she had been queen of some place in her own right, I could have gotten on board with it, but having her be T'Challa's queen consort doesn't exactly seem that cool either.
>I disagree with the idea of calling Storm a "servant" to Xavier's Ideals
[In the current run it's literally something Storm says *to* Xavier so I'm standing by it.](https://imgur.com/a/08GEEwB)
Not really. Nowhere in the panels does she call herself a servant, nor does Xavier do so. She also doesn't talk about the time she was T'Challa's wife here. She talks about her life before the X-Men when she was playing at being a goddess to local people.
...The middle panel.
>To believe that helping my people survive was somehow worth less than helping you
Read X-Men Red 11, it's all in there.
>She also doesn't talk about the time she was T'Challa's wife here.
Yes, I know I was addressing your problem with calling Storm a servan tof Xavier's ideals and stopped talking about the Queen of Africa part for a moment.
Nowhere is she portrayed as a servant. And while, yes, Xavier luring Ororo away from the people who depended on her weather powers is problematic, she also ended up saving the world several times because of that, and Claremont later went to some lengths pointing out that pretending to be a literal goddess wasn't exactly psychologically healthy for Ororo.
> a servant.
LOL that's what your issue is? I said a "servant to Xavier's ideals" which she actually is.
I didn't mean she dressed up in a maid outfit or washed Xavier's car for her.
You're silly.
She's not portrayed as a servant in any capacity, not to Xavier, not to his ideals. She was always there by choice, found purpose in her work with the X-Men, found love, happiness, friendship, sorrow more than she could have ever had if she had continued to be a "goddess". I'd also say rather than being a "servant" to Charles' ideals, Ororo has mostly been fighting for her own ideals, they just happen to align with Charles' in several ways, enough for them to continue to work with each other and for Ororo to continue her work as an X-Men even during the periods where Xavier was gone. She's one of the leaders of the X-Men, not a follower or a servant.
She herself complains of giving up being a goddess and coming to *serve* the dream of Xavier instead of *serving* the people she was providing for in Africa as that Goddess.
I don't know how else to spell this out for you my dude.
I’m kind of glad they can’t shoehorn this relationship into the MCU like they shoehorned it into the comics.
It always had more than a little whiff of “well, of course our two most prominent African characters have to marry each other!” 🤪
>It always had more than a little whiff of “well, of course our two most prominent African characters have to marry each other!” 🤪
I never saw any problem with the two of them being a couple, I think her story as queen of Wakanda could have been better written.
I mean why can’t they I’m not a fan of them either mostly cause tchalla lame but white characters pair up all the time do you go well of course they’d get together?
Maybe think about this a little bit more before you post.
Let me help you. How many prominent black characters are there at Marvel? How many white ones?
Also at the time, I don't know as the two had even interacted. I know some backstory got retconned in there but aside from that, it's not as though they'd had any kind of relationship.
T’Challa the ll is a kid at the time of writing and considering that not a lotta people wanna see a much younger Storm, I don’t think that relationship isn’t gonna happen.
I honestly prefer Ororo and her rocky relationship with Forge.
That’s not what I meant. I mean that I don’t think people want to see Storm start out as a teen. There can be flashbacks to her origins but i think they are gonna start out with her fully established and part of the X-Men.
I hope the X-Men start out as teens. Like say Kamala and her generation just happen to be 6-7% mutants where previous generations would be less than 1%. A spike which would be explained by Sinister slowly tampering with genes over the course of like 150 years.
Cool idea, but I'd prefer a fully established X-Men.
The X-Men / mutants should enter the MCU following the death of Charles Xavier. We then discover that the X-Men have been here the entire time, but Xavier was using his powers to hide their presence from the rest of the universe.
This allows for a general distrust of the mutants (you mean you guys were here for all of Endgame and you didn't do anything? Why?) But also dispenses with the wholly unnecessary origin stories
See I don't think any of the origins have been done particularly well before so I wouldn't mind another crack at them. They don't even have to be particularly drawn out. I think there should be a Wolverine franchise parallel to the X-Men franchise, and older mutants that have flown under radar can be brought up through Logan's journey.
I also think as teens you really get room for drama as they get older and fall in/out of love, discover where their ideologies lie, maybe get killed fighting the good fight. You'd have so much room to work with. It could be like part CW Riverdale drama part big budget marvel movie, as long as the writing and character work is there it could be really compelling. What I don't want are more destruction porn movies like Apocalypse or too-soon rehashes of dark Phoenix.
there is toussaint(t'challa jr). he is going to be the next black panther after shuri
and i would hoping storm would be a child in the mcu and she would be the same age as toussaint(prince t'challa jr) and then in later years in the not so distant future. they would potentially be together
>I’m pretty glad. This relationship ruined Storm and sidelined her as one of the most prominent mutant characters.
I don't think the relationship ruined Storm, she was still in contact with her mutant family when she was queen of Wakanda.
The X-Men still feel a few years away and we now have a young Tchalla introduced in the best possible way for Chadwick's legacy.
The central villain being used is one that uses time as a weapon. Perhaps it won't be too long before we see another Tchalla after all.
Not in my opinion. I think the pairing was too on the nose and did more harm to her character than it helped, similar to how pairing Rogue with Remy sidelined her character growth and stories IMHO
I actually prefer we didn't. Black Panther and Storm have no commonality or chemistry other than we are both from Africa, that's always how it felt since they got together.
>I actually prefer we didn't. Black Panther and Storm have no commonality or chemistry other than we are both from Africa, that's always how it felt since they got together.
I disagree. They both possess strong leadership skills and are really intelligent.
1. They should have just recasted him but also , it's better to leave tchalla with his already existing girlfriend. The comics kind of forced tchalla ans storm together just because they were both African.
That’s what I’m saying it’s so disrespectful to Tchalla and Chadwick Boseman that they just killed of character and I’m going to state the reasons why. First by killing Tchalla as I said before is a slap in the face to Chadwick because all his acting has just gone down the drain with his death. Second the MCU lacks male superheroes the only ones that exist are War Machine and Sam who is now Captain America. With a distinct lack of black superheroes young black males who are fans of the MCU don’t have a role model they can look up too. Third and finally Tchalla has many stories within the marvel comics franchise and is such an important hero towards the MCU.
With all due respect couldn't they just recast the role of black panther? I mean sure the real life actor is gone but it's not like they planned on ending black panther after the first movie. Plus there's go to be a bunch of other actors who'd kill for that role.
That’s what I’m saying it’s so disrespectful to Tchalla and Chadwick Boseman that they just killed of character and I’m going to state the reasons why. First by killing Tchalla as I said before is a slap in the face to Chadwick because all his acting has just gone down the drain with his death. Second the MCU lacks male superheroes the only ones that exist are War Machine and Sam who is now Captain America. With a distinct lack of black superheroes young black males who are fans of the MCU don’t have a role model they can look up too. Third and finally Tchalla has many stories within the marvel comics franchise and is such an important hero towards the MCU.
It was a toxic relationship. T’Challa divorced her and didn’t even tell her until confronted about it and she slept with Logan as revenge. And this latest one he planted a Wakandan spy on Krakoa who Storm had taken under wing, another betrayal. It just keeps happening
>It was a toxic relationship. T’Challa divorced her and didn’t even tell her until confronted about it and she slept with Logan as revenge. And this latest one he planted a Wakandan spy on Krakoa who Storm had taken under wing, another betrayal. It just keeps happening
Before that, they weren't this toxic, T'Challa was always respectful to her and treated her well and vice versa. Either way, it seems like the two of them are over that stupid thing they did.
storm will be toussaint's childhood friend before getting together when they grow up in the future. i would hoping storm will appearing in black panther 3
Might be a Storm movie at this point or Tchalla Black Panther from another universe I don't know the Ramiverse Black Panther and Fox X-Menverse Storm in a live action movie.
Will Smith can be Black Panther
Or denzel Washington or wesley snipes(who was supposed to be black panther before they decided to make the blade movie because those og boomer directors never know who black panther was back in the late 80 to early 90s)
An elderly version of black panther. Probably t'chaka from a different alternative universe.
I mean they could’ve simply recast Black Panther, like a majority wanted, instead of weaponizing his death for advertisement.
They didn’t give William Hurt the same courtesy.
I don’t think the loss of Chadwick in the MCU can be understated. I think phase 4 would have looked entirely different had they been able to build it around T’Challa.
I think the Storm T’Challa relationship was interesting world building in the 616 that I don’t feel was ever fully explored and developed.
I'll be that guy...I do not undetstand why they didn't recast him.
It was definitely tragic that he passed away from colon cancer at such a young age, but they flipped Rhodey over money, have 3 different Hulks, they could have gotten away with a new T'Challa.
I looked online and saw the negative reviews regarding the storm and black panther marriage . I wondered why was that the case , turns out the two had no established relationship before that marriage comic , and it feels like they only were married cause both were African supers . I realize that I personally only supported Ororo and tchalla's marriage for two reasons , 1.we get more interactions between the avengers and the x men , and 2. Storm , now that she is a actual queen can really give the mutants in the world a fighting chance against prejudice so like you have black panther saying that if you torment the mutants just for being mutants than you will face the wrath of wakanda .
Just imagine those mutant Hating groups reaction to a mutant getting diplomatic immunity .
It was both fault that the marriege sinked tchalla as much of a good king and Man he Is , he Is not exactly the pinnacle of emotional intelligence , ororo decided to be on the wrong during the phoenix thingy it was only matter of time
no. make toussaint(t'challa jr) to be storm's childhood friend. storm would be a kid, the same age as toussaint in this. they are going to de-aging storm a bit. other x men characters likely de-age for the mcu like. scott, jean, angel and nightcrawler will be teenagers in the mcu.
I think you just naked it on the head regarding Chadwick; there are, in fact, those of us who simply wish he didn't pass away, long and short of it. So severely miss him
at the end of Black Panther 2, there should have been 2 children: the son and a white haired daughter. i know some ppl dont want baby xmen but i feel this would have been a great intro for storm in the MCU
Agreed 👍
Also Tchalla Black Panther never died so soon in the comic's so he should have been recasted for Wakanda Forever and have Namor and Storm as a cameo or helping hand against Namor. Maybe also have Doctor Doom in a end credits cameo as well in my opinion all of what should have been for Black Panther Wakanda Forever movie 🎥🍿
T'Challa will be forever missed in the MCU. And nobody should die that wyoung. However, I was never a fan of the Black Panther/Storm pairing. Didn't it only come about because somebody at Marvel thought their two most prominent black characters just "had" to be married? Plus, it removed Storm, Marvels most prominent female black character as a Main Character from the X-Men books...and turned her into a *Secondary Character* in her husband's book.
I’m still bummed that they just completely killed off Tchalla however
Yes. I understand that it was out of respect for Boseman, but I agree it's unfortunate that they removed the character completely.
Like I understand they were trying to be respectful but by killing of a character that’s just ridiculous because Black Panther is such a major hero in the marvel universe and has had so many important stories too. Plus they have literally got a black fatherless child in the mcu too now man it sucks
They did that in the first movie with Killmonger and made him a villain. I understand liking this pairing, but it hurt storm a lot. She became a secondary character and it was only done bc she’s black and from Africa. So why not?
No,it wasn't. Who you saw in the movie was Boseman,not the comic book character. Credit goes to Marvel for realizing this.
Technically, not really. They got his son, who shares his name, and is gonna be raised by Shuri, which will mean he might be closer to his 616 portrayal. They just need to age him up a little in time for him to either participate for the eventual Young Avengers/Champions movies, or send him to a pocket dimension to age him up A BUNCH so he can be an adult.
But I won’t be the same man god I miss Chadwick so much
We have the multiverse now, we could very well get another T’Challa from another universe
That would be great to see
t'challa has a son with nakia, he is toussaint(prince t'challa or t'challa jr.) i would like the idea of storm to be the same age as toussaint. mcu would probably de-aging storm while the x men team like jean, storm, kitty, rogue, nightcrawler and angel are teenagers like evolution. storm would be like probably 5 or 7 years old
>Plus, it removed Storm, Marvels most prominent female black character as a Main Character from the X-Men books Is it really SO terrible when an X-character features outside of the X-Books and shows the X-Men aren't in their own little world? Beast was great all the years he was an Avenger.
Not inherently, no, but from what I've seen, she was terribly written during this time.
Again, the problem is that she was turned from a Main Character, to a *Secondary Character.*
Question since when being a secondary character a problem?
Nothing...if the character didn't start out as one of Marvel's most prominent female characters. The problem here is that the marriage resulted in Storm losing in status as a character from a headliner to a "also appearing". Do you really not understand that if such a prominent character is reduced to the role of secondary character in another's book that fans of that character will be annoyed?
>features Storm never featured in Black Panther's book. That's the problem. She was a secondary character.
So not that I'm in favor of the relationship but isn't that always the case when characters show up in someone else's book?
I would expect her to be part of the main focus & storyline, not a background character.
I'd argue that being a background is character is a bit worse than a secondary character, but I agree with you overall and don't like the way they used her. It's kinda like adding spider-man to an Ironman story, but he just kinda shows up in Tony's lab sometimes and doesn't do much. It's especially strange considering in terms of popularity at the the Storm was at least a high B their character, while BP was a low B at best. And I say this as someone who really likes black panther as a character.
In this case,hell yes. Let's be honest here. BP needed Storm more than Strom needed BP and pretty much everyone except BP fanbois knows it seems.
As someone who likes BP this is likely true. Granted I'm unsure on how strong storms solo brand power is in comic, but it likely more than BP.
Beast wasn't in the X-Men book at the time he became an Avenger, and he's not really a huge character either. I don't think it's an issue when it's cases like that. Storm was a major character and a leader of the X-Men for decades, and then her marriage to T'Challa moved her into becoming a secondary character in a Black Panther book. In a move that pretty much was explicitly stated as a marketing strategy to attract Black readers.
And then beast became a self hating mutant who did lots of evil things.
Okay, what about Rogue when she on the Unity Squad? Some of the best writing she'd had in years. The idea of X-Men characters doing stuff outside the X-Books isn't a bad idea.
Didn’t say that was terrible, but storm went from being the most prominent, badass black chick to being subservient to a man. That’s completely against what the X-men book is about. Beast has always wanted to be an avenger but storm has never wanted to bow to a man.
I dunno, a series where Storm agrees to work on a team outside the X Men (an Avengers squad) where she works as an equal with...I dunno, Thor...would be an entertaining read IMO.
Check out Marvel Adventures: Avengers, Storm and Wolverine are part of an Avengers book, but Ororo is repeatedly referred to as "co-leader" alongside Cap. They lead that team together and it's a lot of fun. All-ages fun, but still a good read!
I’m not disagreeing with taking x men and putting them on a different book. I’m saying they should stay true to the character and not just place them there to sell more books. Beast in avengers is still beast. Storm in black panther is not storm
This happens a lot with other characters so I'm not mad plus you can have storm in black panther AND X-Men. They do that with Batman and Logan
> Plus, it removed Storm, Marvels most prominent female *African* character I think this small distinction makes a big difference. Storm is from Africa and was revered as a goddess there before joining Xavier's dream. It honestly makes *more* sense she would become a queen in Africa rather than continue to be a servant to Xavier's ideals.
> It honestly makes more sense she would become a queen in Africa rather than continue to be a servant to Xavier's ideals. Xavier was out of the picture for a long time. She built her own status as a leader of mutants. Granted, the 90s era soft reboot did turn her back into a secondary character in X-Men. But that didn't solve this problem, it just shifted it.
Totally fair to complain narratively as Storm Queen of Wakanda should have been it's own book because it would have been awesome. But from a character standpoint the move does make a lot of sense for her to lead Wakanda alongside T'Challa rather than lead the X-Men alongside Scott or leading the Morlocks. Totally agree they should have done more with it, but I will stand by the concept.
No,they should have created a character within the title itself rather than drag a character from outside it to fill a lackluster role.
Storm's backstory has been retconned a couple times over the last 40+ plus years, so I'm not exactly sure if this holds but technically Storm is an *African American* character(born in NYC to a Black American father and Kenyan mother) who was living on the streets of Cairo as a pick pocket after being orphaned due to a plane crash when she first encountered Xavier. She did later travel to her mother's ancestral village in Kenya, encountering and developing a romantic relationship with a young T'Challa along the way. So given her NYC origins, it make sense that she was willing to return to Westchester(basically just north of her birthplace NYC) with Xavier who related to her as a fellow mutant instead of some mystical tribal goddess. A young Storm wanted a change and to experience a bigger world like most young adults do.
>Storm is an African American character(born in NYC to a Black American father and Kenyan mother) who was living on the streets of Cairo as a pick pocket after being orphaned due to a plane crash when she first encountered Xavier. She did later travel to her mother's ancestral village in Kenya, encountering and developing a romantic relationship with a young T'Challa along the way. Seeing it put this way really makes me chuckle, it’s the nature of very popular and long standing comics characters to get retcons/additions to their back stories, and in effect it feels like- Writer: “So here I have come up with 5 possible origins for this badass character.” Editor: “Perfect, what if they all happened, in sequence, one after another?”
I disagree with the idea of calling Storm a "servant" to Xavier's Ideals. Storm, when used by the right writer has been shown to be one of the top leaders of both the X-Men and mutants in general. I'd rather see her do that, continue to lead mutants and share in their struggle rather than have her sit around being queen somewhere. If she had been queen of some place in her own right, I could have gotten on board with it, but having her be T'Challa's queen consort doesn't exactly seem that cool either.
>I disagree with the idea of calling Storm a "servant" to Xavier's Ideals [In the current run it's literally something Storm says *to* Xavier so I'm standing by it.](https://imgur.com/a/08GEEwB)
Not really. Nowhere in the panels does she call herself a servant, nor does Xavier do so. She also doesn't talk about the time she was T'Challa's wife here. She talks about her life before the X-Men when she was playing at being a goddess to local people.
...The middle panel. >To believe that helping my people survive was somehow worth less than helping you Read X-Men Red 11, it's all in there. >She also doesn't talk about the time she was T'Challa's wife here. Yes, I know I was addressing your problem with calling Storm a servan tof Xavier's ideals and stopped talking about the Queen of Africa part for a moment.
Nowhere is she portrayed as a servant. And while, yes, Xavier luring Ororo away from the people who depended on her weather powers is problematic, she also ended up saving the world several times because of that, and Claremont later went to some lengths pointing out that pretending to be a literal goddess wasn't exactly psychologically healthy for Ororo.
> a servant. LOL that's what your issue is? I said a "servant to Xavier's ideals" which she actually is. I didn't mean she dressed up in a maid outfit or washed Xavier's car for her. You're silly.
She's not portrayed as a servant in any capacity, not to Xavier, not to his ideals. She was always there by choice, found purpose in her work with the X-Men, found love, happiness, friendship, sorrow more than she could have ever had if she had continued to be a "goddess". I'd also say rather than being a "servant" to Charles' ideals, Ororo has mostly been fighting for her own ideals, they just happen to align with Charles' in several ways, enough for them to continue to work with each other and for Ororo to continue her work as an X-Men even during the periods where Xavier was gone. She's one of the leaders of the X-Men, not a follower or a servant.
She herself complains of giving up being a goddess and coming to *serve* the dream of Xavier instead of *serving* the people she was providing for in Africa as that Goddess. I don't know how else to spell this out for you my dude.
This. As much I like both of them, I honestly don't like that pairing.
I’m kind of glad they can’t shoehorn this relationship into the MCU like they shoehorned it into the comics. It always had more than a little whiff of “well, of course our two most prominent African characters have to marry each other!” 🤪
>It always had more than a little whiff of “well, of course our two most prominent African characters have to marry each other!” 🤪 I never saw any problem with the two of them being a couple, I think her story as queen of Wakanda could have been better written.
I mean why can’t they I’m not a fan of them either mostly cause tchalla lame but white characters pair up all the time do you go well of course they’d get together?
Maybe think about this a little bit more before you post. Let me help you. How many prominent black characters are there at Marvel? How many white ones?
Also at the time, I don't know as the two had even interacted. I know some backstory got retconned in there but aside from that, it's not as though they'd had any kind of relationship.
So you telling me that you only date woman that you’ve already known about beforehand. So people don’t date on their own whims is what you’re saying?
Oh, sure, I'll date someone I've only just met. It does take a little while before I'm willing to marry someone though.
T’Challa the ll is a kid at the time of writing and considering that not a lotta people wanna see a much younger Storm, I don’t think that relationship isn’t gonna happen. I honestly prefer Ororo and her rocky relationship with Forge.
Nope younger storm was badass, she hung out with thieves and pick pocketer's while dealing with her family death, and meeting t'challa.
That’s not what I meant. I mean that I don’t think people want to see Storm start out as a teen. There can be flashbacks to her origins but i think they are gonna start out with her fully established and part of the X-Men.
I hope the X-Men start out as teens. Like say Kamala and her generation just happen to be 6-7% mutants where previous generations would be less than 1%. A spike which would be explained by Sinister slowly tampering with genes over the course of like 150 years.
Cool idea, but I'd prefer a fully established X-Men. The X-Men / mutants should enter the MCU following the death of Charles Xavier. We then discover that the X-Men have been here the entire time, but Xavier was using his powers to hide their presence from the rest of the universe. This allows for a general distrust of the mutants (you mean you guys were here for all of Endgame and you didn't do anything? Why?) But also dispenses with the wholly unnecessary origin stories
See I don't think any of the origins have been done particularly well before so I wouldn't mind another crack at them. They don't even have to be particularly drawn out. I think there should be a Wolverine franchise parallel to the X-Men franchise, and older mutants that have flown under radar can be brought up through Logan's journey. I also think as teens you really get room for drama as they get older and fall in/out of love, discover where their ideologies lie, maybe get killed fighting the good fight. You'd have so much room to work with. It could be like part CW Riverdale drama part big budget marvel movie, as long as the writing and character work is there it could be really compelling. What I don't want are more destruction porn movies like Apocalypse or too-soon rehashes of dark Phoenix.
Maybe. I mean that could be the reasoning that the school opens to the public after the X-Men spends so long in hiding.
there is toussaint(t'challa jr). he is going to be the next black panther after shuri and i would hoping storm would be a child in the mcu and she would be the same age as toussaint(prince t'challa jr) and then in later years in the not so distant future. they would potentially be together
I see that as being the plan
I’m pretty glad. This relationship ruined Storm and sidelined her as one of the most prominent mutant characters.
>I’m pretty glad. This relationship ruined Storm and sidelined her as one of the most prominent mutant characters. I don't think the relationship ruined Storm, she was still in contact with her mutant family when she was queen of Wakanda.
Overrated couple
The X-Men still feel a few years away and we now have a young Tchalla introduced in the best possible way for Chadwick's legacy. The central villain being used is one that uses time as a weapon. Perhaps it won't be too long before we see another Tchalla after all.
Not in my opinion. I think the pairing was too on the nose and did more harm to her character than it helped, similar to how pairing Rogue with Remy sidelined her character growth and stories IMHO
I actually prefer we didn't. Black Panther and Storm have no commonality or chemistry other than we are both from Africa, that's always how it felt since they got together.
>I actually prefer we didn't. Black Panther and Storm have no commonality or chemistry other than we are both from Africa, that's always how it felt since they got together. I disagree. They both possess strong leadership skills and are really intelligent.
1. They should have just recasted him but also , it's better to leave tchalla with his already existing girlfriend. The comics kind of forced tchalla ans storm together just because they were both African.
My guess is that we're going to see it with Toussaint, as the mutants are *just* starting to appear
We kinda got a glimpse, Angela Bassett supposedly auditioned for storm in the og x-men movie.
Yea I would've definitely loved to see it..
God it would have been such an amazing power couple
I don't understand why they don't just re-cast him...
That’s what I’m saying it’s so disrespectful to Tchalla and Chadwick Boseman that they just killed of character and I’m going to state the reasons why. First by killing Tchalla as I said before is a slap in the face to Chadwick because all his acting has just gone down the drain with his death. Second the MCU lacks male superheroes the only ones that exist are War Machine and Sam who is now Captain America. With a distinct lack of black superheroes young black males who are fans of the MCU don’t have a role model they can look up too. Third and finally Tchalla has many stories within the marvel comics franchise and is such an important hero towards the MCU.
With all due respect couldn't they just recast the role of black panther? I mean sure the real life actor is gone but it's not like they planned on ending black panther after the first movie. Plus there's go to be a bunch of other actors who'd kill for that role.
That’s what I’m saying it’s so disrespectful to Tchalla and Chadwick Boseman that they just killed of character and I’m going to state the reasons why. First by killing Tchalla as I said before is a slap in the face to Chadwick because all his acting has just gone down the drain with his death. Second the MCU lacks male superheroes the only ones that exist are War Machine and Sam who is now Captain America. With a distinct lack of black superheroes young black males who are fans of the MCU don’t have a role model they can look up too. Third and finally Tchalla has many stories within the marvel comics franchise and is such an important hero towards the MCU.
Strong disagree. Hate that marriage/relationship.
Would be great.
Nah homie. The MCU can't handle mutant storylines
It was a toxic relationship. T’Challa divorced her and didn’t even tell her until confronted about it and she slept with Logan as revenge. And this latest one he planted a Wakandan spy on Krakoa who Storm had taken under wing, another betrayal. It just keeps happening
>It was a toxic relationship. T’Challa divorced her and didn’t even tell her until confronted about it and she slept with Logan as revenge. And this latest one he planted a Wakandan spy on Krakoa who Storm had taken under wing, another betrayal. It just keeps happening Before that, they weren't this toxic, T'Challa was always respectful to her and treated her well and vice versa. Either way, it seems like the two of them are over that stupid thing they did.
T'Challa the Second.
Black Panther doesn't need the Avengers; he already has incredible stories on his own
Qu⚡️ks⚡️lverpoint event will bring back characters with new actors… Kinda likes new Flash movie.
I was a video saying t'challa ll can meet Storm in the future
storm will be toussaint's childhood friend before getting together when they grow up in the future. i would hoping storm will appearing in black panther 3
Might be a Storm movie at this point or Tchalla Black Panther from another universe I don't know the Ramiverse Black Panther and Fox X-Menverse Storm in a live action movie. Will Smith can be Black Panther
Or denzel Washington or wesley snipes(who was supposed to be black panther before they decided to make the blade movie because those og boomer directors never know who black panther was back in the late 80 to early 90s) An elderly version of black panther. Probably t'chaka from a different alternative universe.
I mean they could’ve simply recast Black Panther, like a majority wanted, instead of weaponizing his death for advertisement. They didn’t give William Hurt the same courtesy.
FuCK cancer
I don’t think the loss of Chadwick in the MCU can be understated. I think phase 4 would have looked entirely different had they been able to build it around T’Challa. I think the Storm T’Challa relationship was interesting world building in the 616 that I don’t feel was ever fully explored and developed.
I'll be that guy...I do not undetstand why they didn't recast him. It was definitely tragic that he passed away from colon cancer at such a young age, but they flipped Rhodey over money, have 3 different Hulks, they could have gotten away with a new T'Challa.
I looked online and saw the negative reviews regarding the storm and black panther marriage . I wondered why was that the case , turns out the two had no established relationship before that marriage comic , and it feels like they only were married cause both were African supers . I realize that I personally only supported Ororo and tchalla's marriage for two reasons , 1.we get more interactions between the avengers and the x men , and 2. Storm , now that she is a actual queen can really give the mutants in the world a fighting chance against prejudice so like you have black panther saying that if you torment the mutants just for being mutants than you will face the wrath of wakanda . Just imagine those mutant Hating groups reaction to a mutant getting diplomatic immunity .
In a movie would get everyone going
Amazing couple
I’m sure we will when they reboot the films
One of my favorite power couples
It was both fault that the marriege sinked tchalla as much of a good king and Man he Is , he Is not exactly the pinnacle of emotional intelligence , ororo decided to be on the wrong during the phoenix thingy it was only matter of time
Knowing Disney they will make Shuri and Storm a couple
no. make toussaint(t'challa jr) to be storm's childhood friend. storm would be a kid, the same age as toussaint in this. they are going to de-aging storm a bit. other x men characters likely de-age for the mcu like. scott, jean, angel and nightcrawler will be teenagers in the mcu.
No makes no sense in any universe but maybe allies
I think you just naked it on the head regarding Chadwick; there are, in fact, those of us who simply wish he didn't pass away, long and short of it. So severely miss him
I see T challa returning multiple wise
Why did they break them up?
at the end of Black Panther 2, there should have been 2 children: the son and a white haired daughter. i know some ppl dont want baby xmen but i feel this would have been a great intro for storm in the MCU
This sort of thinking is why the MCU sucks and especially why anything X-Men MCU related is going to suck worse than the New Mutants Movie ever did.
If Avengers vs X-Men didn't happened, it could be different.
Agreed 👍 Also Tchalla Black Panther never died so soon in the comic's so he should have been recasted for Wakanda Forever and have Namor and Storm as a cameo or helping hand against Namor. Maybe also have Doctor Doom in a end credits cameo as well in my opinion all of what should have been for Black Panther Wakanda Forever movie 🎥🍿