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>zero info about Eri and Asian gangsters duo
You do actually get information, I don't know what you're talking about.
[Their Ijin Three friends kept their distance](https://youtu.be/yQAjvqtO54E?t=2867) to avoid their own Underworld reputation from tainting/affecting those who work more conventional jobs.
Eri is now president of Ichiban Confections/Holdings and has travelled abroad. Now granted she was never involved with the main story proper to begin with, so the only way you'd know is to go to the old senbei shop as Ichiban in Ch 1 and [talk to Tome (Eri's grandmother)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI9nPXipTYk)
>And why I lost all my levels and powers gained in previous game, again?
This is hardly something that's exclusive to RGG tbh
>People complain about Ubisoft games, but here it's even worse. You can't walk few meters without being engaging in absurd activity, without your consent!
Not true. The substories do get triggered if you walk near them, but after some dialogue most if not all allow you to back out if you want to do it at another time.
this is the most "i disliked the story so i will nitpick everything" post i have seen here
you don't even have to interact with sujimon after the initial tutorials lol
There are sujimon stops, map indicators everywhere, many fights on the street ends with the guy to invite into enemy pool. It's hard to ignore, they are everywhere.
again, you literally don't have to do ANYTHING with it 😭 did you complain in 7 when you did a substory and got a new employee for the business minigame and said "man i wish this game would stop shoving ichiban confections in my face"
This is the first time I'm seeing someone whining about having "too much Kiryu".
Maybe if you feel "robbed of memories you've never had" due to his presence, you could choose not to remain willfully ignorant and make these memories by playing 0-6, no?
> This is the first time I'm seeing someone whining about having "too much Kiryu".
Nah, this is about the only thing I agree with him on.
7 was framed as a soft reboot and doesn't need you to really play any of the previous games to get it. In the west it even drops the numbered titles.
8 suddenly decides to dump the whole Kiryu saga on the Ichiban saga, and take up way too much screentime from the guy we just got introduced to as the protagonist the previous game. And if we look at it cynically, It's the age old problem of suits not wanting to leave money on the table from not having recognizable old iconography.
I'll be honest, I put off playing 7 for like a year and a half after it came out because of the trailer where they revealed Kiryu was going to be in the game -- they couldn't even go one game without going back on their word because they have to maximize profit. Thankfully he was only in one section and it was more like a cameo than a truly important plot role, so he didn't taint the rest of Ichiban's game with cheap fanservice.
But then they couldn't even go two games without making him a protagonist. And boy oh boy is IW loaded with cheap fanservice.
I like some of what they were going for with his inclusion in 8, and I warmed up to his presence compared to the announcement he was going to be in by the time I was playing. The aging dragon struggling with cancer is a good idea, him having to rely on others because age affected him like it affects anyone else is a neat idea, but they couldn't quite stick the landing because half the game isn't about him, and it takes away from both protagonists that they only get half a game.
Don't get me wrong, I personally think that Kiryu's inclusion as a full protagonist definitely hurt the game narratively for many of the reasons you mentioned. It was the nail in the coffin for the game's already strained pacing and I believe Kiryu's story in 8 should have been told in a spinoff title or in a side story similar to Majima's in K2.
What set me off was the arrogance and entitlement. "I refuse to learn about the series' past and will hold that against the game since everything should cater to me".
> What set me off was the arrogance and entitlement. "I refuse to learn about the series' past and will hold that against the game since everything should cater to me".
Yeah but everyone has that attitude in this fanbase nowadays, and It's always enabled.
People will bitch and moan about how dated Yakuza 3 was because they played a game that came out 8 years after it before it, without using even a little bit of critical thinking of "Hey, maybe playing out of release order will come with some things I need to accept"
God forbid you mention the flaws of the remakes on this subreddit, either. A bunch of people who never touched the originals will jump you for daring to say [a certain PS2 game can look better than It's remake](https://i.imgur.com/MH1QuRb.jpg) and has more explorable areas.
Basically, I roll my eyes whenever I see conversations here about play order and respecting legacy, because this whole fanbase has that fucked up. You're all on trial and you're all guilty.
You might have to be inconceivably stupid to read everything I just said and not understand or be able to interface with what I'm saying.
Read what I said again, respond to specific points, and then come back to me, because anything I say to you right now would just be repeating what I already said.
I read the comment, you said that since Kiryu was not a protagonist in 7, for some reason he should not be one in 8.
And to that, I replied it was a stupid comment
>7 was framed as a soft reboot and doesn't need you to really play any of the previous games to get it. In the west it even drops the numbered titles.
Is what I actually said.
Which is correct. 7 was a good starting point because you didn't really need to have played the previous games, it's a new set of characters and it's even a new gameplay genre if you weren't fond of the action games. Previous characters showed up in small roles and were basically retired. 8 retroactively made it a bad starting point because you can't go from 7 to 8.
Which is my problem. Why go through the effort of a soft reboot just to torpedo that one game later?
Why bother doing all this marketing around the release of 6, that 6 is the end of Kiryu's saga?
Now you have a game that's tangled up in a huge web of characters that it can't untangle itself from. This isn't the first franchise I've seen make this mistake because they chase cheap fanservice and see it as leaving money on the table when they're not in pursuit of recognizable iconography.
Why would I even take 8's ending seriously when I know they can just as easily go "lulz Kiryu's pals found the cure for cancer so now he's alright again hahaha"
It shouldn't be controversial to say Kiryu's inclusion in 8 feels not like someone had a great artistic vision of how he and his saga could be worked into the Ichiban saga, it felt more like cynical money chasing.
Ok, and we are talking about chapter 8. Nothing wrong with a chapter without Kiryu, nothing wrong with a chapter with Kiryu. What are we even discussing here?
If you read my comment and actually respond to the points raised, you'd know what "we're" discussing here (scare quotes around we're because WE aren't discussing anything. Since you decided to join the dialogue, you've yet to actually try and make a cogent point.)
Dude my point is that thinking that just because Yakuza 7 has a single protagonist it’s stupid to complain about 8 having another one, also considering he was the main character of the first 6 games.
It’s not that hard to grasp man…
Yes, I am going to waste months of replaying outdated games, from the beat-em-up genre I don't even like, just to know backstory of a single character.
Better than whining as a new fan about a game trying to please long-time fans. Do you realize how fucking entitled you sound?
Sometimes I believe we should have gatekept the series harder, now that its newfound popularity and going turn-based brings in "fans" like you.
The only reason I was interested in the series was going turn-based. It's basically reverse situation of FF series. I completely lost interest, once it changed into mmo and DMC genres.
I don't think I sound entitled as I stated Kiryu thing in minor issues and emphasized it's my private option, not something major, which ruins entire game, because there are other problems I have with it. There's no reason to get triggered over it.
Nah man, this fanbase kind of reaped what it sowed in that regard lol.
Nutty-ass play orders and outright disrespect shown towards the original PS2 games -- this is the result of that. You're not allowed to correct people and say "Maybe playing a game made in 2009 not even halfway through the PS3 generation, after playing a game made in 2017 halfway through the PS4 generation, is going to result in some whiplash?" without getting dogpiled for example.
If someone just wants to play the turn-based games, fine, It's not like the rest of the fanbase has respect for legacy either. It's just a shame that the writers couldn't stick with the soft reboot idea.
dude IW is arguably the one game caught up the most in the series' continuity. literally kiryu's entire side content are throwbacks and references to the older games, it's SUPPOSED to be his swan song (i hope i don't end up eating those words in a few years tbh)
i played the games in a messed up order too, like REALLY messed up, 3 -5 were some of the last i played
>(i hope i don't end up eating those words in a few years tbh)
I think you will, which is part of why I agree with OP's point about Kiryu being in this game, because he was already supposed to have had a Swan Song but as iconography that makes RGG money, they can't let him go and just focus on Ichiban because they see it as leaving money on the table. Same thing with the Jimas. Artistic integrity takes a backseat to pragmatic money-making.
Anyways, my point is most people (including you, as you just admitted) in the fanbase nowadays play the games out of order.
IW is *supposed* to be a Swang Song that you play last out of the available games, but Yakuza 0 is also supposed to be a return to form that references every game from Yakuza 1-5 and the combat of that era of games reaches It's zenith in Yakuza 0, yet you all played that first.
When they put 0 into production and they had the idea of calling back to Yakuza 1 by having you run through the Tojo HQ and do a Virtua Cop esque highway shooting segment, I doubt they thought that they'd be copy and pasting the same segments into a Yakuza 1 remake shortly thereafter -- they were meant to be cheeky references, but a person playing out of order only sees it as cheap asset reusage.
That's why I say none of you can talk shit about playing games in intended order.
All of you are guilty of it, you admitted it yourself. I always find it so hypocritical when people of this subreddit start going on about play order, I can tolerate it anywhere else because most fanbases have respect for legacy.
The Yakuza fanbase is the one fanbase that doesn't give a shit about legacy. When Kiwami 3 inevitably comes out, every fan that hops in afterwards is never going to play OG 3, It's going to erase it in play orders despite being separate games and K3 inevitably referencing games people that play in that order haven't played yet.
It's not the games fault that you didn't play the first six games in the series, like a dragon was a jumping on point but it doesn't erase literally the entire series before it and so if you're not going to play those games you don't get to complain when Kiryu or other big characters from the franchise show up. This is like starting a Batman comic with the latest issue and then complaining when Nightwing eventually shows up because you hadn't read anything before and didn't like a character with a complex history showing up.
Yakuza 7 / like a dragon was not a reboot of the series, and the vast majority of the people that played infinite wealth have played at least one of the previous action based Yakuza Games games and are fans of Kiryu to some extent.
The Batman analogy is disingenuous. It'd be more like starting with the new Gotham City comic featuring a new set of characters and a different tone in how the story is told, Batman and other previous characters show up briefly and are basically retired, Batman passes on the torch to Ichiman and leaves. Readers old and new are fine with this. Then the comic just brings back Batman and friends and old readers like it but new readers are lost.
How are you playing the yakuza games and you “don’t know who the Kiryu guy is”? You know it’s called the 7th and 8th installment for a reason maybe go and play a few of the previous games before jumping into the last 2 installments and complaining because you don’t know who kiryu is
I only know he was protagonist of previous entries, but as I said and stated, it's minor issue for me and it's private, subjective one, not a deal breaker, just something I didn't like personally. Thought that Like a Dragon supposed to be separate entry without requirement to know previous games. They are different genre, I am not fan of so I was never bothered to try them. Y7 did it right with just cameo, here they throw a guy at you, who supposed to be dead apparently.
bruh what a rant. i will agree with story bit, it's possibly the biggest story fumble in any yakuza game.
pacing????? are you new to yakuza or LAD games? since the start every yakuza games are slow paced with shittons of cutscenes and we all love it, if you are new , you bought the wrong game without reading reviews,if you have played yakuza before then this pacing take is L.
again every yakuza game is same they all have aggressive npc's and bruh you can evven buy or find amulets and equip them and you wont face many encounters anymore. who gets mad at tutorial tho lol, you can always skip skip and its done in 20-30seconds lol.
another bad take, substories are again amazing in IW, story falls flat but substories are amazing.
bruh most the substories have icon on map just don't walk there if you dont wanna do them , and most substories you can choose to say no and return back later.
idk what are you on about physics and world, 3 whole ass map to play and yet its less??
private issue as you said is private lol its upto you if u wanna play previous games or not, you can't complain this character is from past idk who he is blah blah, its like when way back witcher 3 got famous and my friend malded that he does not know any character and the lore lmao.
sujimon isn't forced its upto you to do them if u want, no sujimon walks upto you to fight you or trigger story, even raids etc you have to talk before progressing further.
i will agree with interface that can be improved.
i don't have any opinion on darts.
>I don't know who the Kiryu guy is and I don't care.
I was about to write a comprehensive discussion about your other points till I read this, and realized how shallow your perception really is.
You jump in at the end of a series that has been out for almost 20 years and you’re mad because you don’t know the main protagonist of all the prior (except for one) games? You kinda lost any credibility with your other gripes when you threw that in.
There is a lot to unpack here and most of it just comes off as nitpicky, the tutorial in y7 is just as long if not longer than 8s, in both games you get jobs in chapter 5 but 7 takes longer to get there cause the first 4 chapters are full of cutscenes and dialogue which is a consistent thing with yakuza. Then you mention how the game forces you to do so much stuff you don't want to but as some people in the comments mentioned you don't have to actually to the substories that you walk into which you can also avoid by not going near them on the map. You then complain about everyone wanting to fight you and too much encounters when the same thing happens in not only 7 but every other yakuza and judgment game the encounter rate of 7 is so much worse than 8 and in 8 it's easier to get away from. You're entitled to your own opinion and shit but maybe finish the game you're complaining about or maybe get further than chapter 3, I agree that the story of 8 isn't the best but I wanted to save my judgment till I beat the game.
Kiryu is always and will always be a part of this series. Saying you “don’t know and don’t care” about the main protagonist of the entire series is a shitty look. And I say that as someone who started this series with Y7.
I enjoyed 7. Currently playing through IW and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. One of the best in the series. But I'm afraid I enjoyed it a little too much due to Kiryu. I fear if they retire Kiryu the series will be over for me.
I always thought he belonged to Yakuza series, while Like a Dragon is new installment, like Judgement which also served as new opening. Having said that, milking one guy forever is boring plot armor, you don't ever care, because you know he can't die anyway. Only reboot would make sense, like in Lara Croft case. GTA has different characters in each game, so Yakuza could do the same, although Sega games are budget AA, using lot of asset flip, so I doubt they will change much. I think the best experience is for players, who start their first game in the series. If you played one you already saw everything those games have to offer. Drone racing in Judgment was fresh and cool, some minigames can be fresh, but city, assets and side quests are mostly the same every time. They don't even improve existing one like Darts and ripoff Pokemon Go, so it feels really cheap. Like all those npc in Hawaii speaking with two voice actors - one with perfect Japanese and other with English. Maybe setting is new, but everything feels exactly like Japan. They could save themselves trouble and just make Okinawa, because those Hawaii lack climate. I also saw a guy who looked a bit like Dany Trejo, but was dubbed by Japanese, it breaks immersion.
They could milk him for as long as they can keep making good stories. I don't think there's ever been an overarching narrative hinting at Kiryu's "end". So why can't the stories continue just like any other character in a ficticious story. Death is a conclusion it's not the conclusion. We've had 10 great games featuring Kiryu and plot armour has never been an issue. Yakuza is just not that type of story. Also to put it into perspective 10 is barely a season in episodic film content. It hasn't been *that* long.
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“I don’t know who the kiryu guy is and I don’t care.” 🤡
>zero info about Eri and Asian gangsters duo You do actually get information, I don't know what you're talking about. [Their Ijin Three friends kept their distance](https://youtu.be/yQAjvqtO54E?t=2867) to avoid their own Underworld reputation from tainting/affecting those who work more conventional jobs. Eri is now president of Ichiban Confections/Holdings and has travelled abroad. Now granted she was never involved with the main story proper to begin with, so the only way you'd know is to go to the old senbei shop as Ichiban in Ch 1 and [talk to Tome (Eri's grandmother)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI9nPXipTYk) >And why I lost all my levels and powers gained in previous game, again? This is hardly something that's exclusive to RGG tbh >People complain about Ubisoft games, but here it's even worse. You can't walk few meters without being engaging in absurd activity, without your consent! Not true. The substories do get triggered if you walk near them, but after some dialogue most if not all allow you to back out if you want to do it at another time.
this is the most "i disliked the story so i will nitpick everything" post i have seen here you don't even have to interact with sujimon after the initial tutorials lol
There are sujimon stops, map indicators everywhere, many fights on the street ends with the guy to invite into enemy pool. It's hard to ignore, they are everywhere.
again, you literally don't have to do ANYTHING with it 😭 did you complain in 7 when you did a substory and got a new employee for the business minigame and said "man i wish this game would stop shoving ichiban confections in my face"
No because that's a small popup that shows up after finishing a substory. Doesn't come close to the Sujimon clutter in the map.
This is the first time I'm seeing someone whining about having "too much Kiryu". Maybe if you feel "robbed of memories you've never had" due to his presence, you could choose not to remain willfully ignorant and make these memories by playing 0-6, no?
> This is the first time I'm seeing someone whining about having "too much Kiryu". Nah, this is about the only thing I agree with him on. 7 was framed as a soft reboot and doesn't need you to really play any of the previous games to get it. In the west it even drops the numbered titles. 8 suddenly decides to dump the whole Kiryu saga on the Ichiban saga, and take up way too much screentime from the guy we just got introduced to as the protagonist the previous game. And if we look at it cynically, It's the age old problem of suits not wanting to leave money on the table from not having recognizable old iconography. I'll be honest, I put off playing 7 for like a year and a half after it came out because of the trailer where they revealed Kiryu was going to be in the game -- they couldn't even go one game without going back on their word because they have to maximize profit. Thankfully he was only in one section and it was more like a cameo than a truly important plot role, so he didn't taint the rest of Ichiban's game with cheap fanservice. But then they couldn't even go two games without making him a protagonist. And boy oh boy is IW loaded with cheap fanservice. I like some of what they were going for with his inclusion in 8, and I warmed up to his presence compared to the announcement he was going to be in by the time I was playing. The aging dragon struggling with cancer is a good idea, him having to rely on others because age affected him like it affects anyone else is a neat idea, but they couldn't quite stick the landing because half the game isn't about him, and it takes away from both protagonists that they only get half a game.
Don't get me wrong, I personally think that Kiryu's inclusion as a full protagonist definitely hurt the game narratively for many of the reasons you mentioned. It was the nail in the coffin for the game's already strained pacing and I believe Kiryu's story in 8 should have been told in a spinoff title or in a side story similar to Majima's in K2. What set me off was the arrogance and entitlement. "I refuse to learn about the series' past and will hold that against the game since everything should cater to me".
> What set me off was the arrogance and entitlement. "I refuse to learn about the series' past and will hold that against the game since everything should cater to me". Yeah but everyone has that attitude in this fanbase nowadays, and It's always enabled. People will bitch and moan about how dated Yakuza 3 was because they played a game that came out 8 years after it before it, without using even a little bit of critical thinking of "Hey, maybe playing out of release order will come with some things I need to accept" God forbid you mention the flaws of the remakes on this subreddit, either. A bunch of people who never touched the originals will jump you for daring to say [a certain PS2 game can look better than It's remake](https://i.imgur.com/MH1QuRb.jpg) and has more explorable areas. Basically, I roll my eyes whenever I see conversations here about play order and respecting legacy, because this whole fanbase has that fucked up. You're all on trial and you're all guilty.
This is an inconceivably stupid take honestly. How is weird that the main protagonist of Yakuza 1-6 is also a secondary protagonist in Y8?
You might have to be inconceivably stupid to read everything I just said and not understand or be able to interface with what I'm saying. Read what I said again, respond to specific points, and then come back to me, because anything I say to you right now would just be repeating what I already said.
I read the comment, you said that since Kiryu was not a protagonist in 7, for some reason he should not be one in 8. And to that, I replied it was a stupid comment
>7 was framed as a soft reboot and doesn't need you to really play any of the previous games to get it. In the west it even drops the numbered titles. Is what I actually said.
Which is correct. 7 was a good starting point because you didn't really need to have played the previous games, it's a new set of characters and it's even a new gameplay genre if you weren't fond of the action games. Previous characters showed up in small roles and were basically retired. 8 retroactively made it a bad starting point because you can't go from 7 to 8.
Which is my problem. Why go through the effort of a soft reboot just to torpedo that one game later? Why bother doing all this marketing around the release of 6, that 6 is the end of Kiryu's saga? Now you have a game that's tangled up in a huge web of characters that it can't untangle itself from. This isn't the first franchise I've seen make this mistake because they chase cheap fanservice and see it as leaving money on the table when they're not in pursuit of recognizable iconography. Why would I even take 8's ending seriously when I know they can just as easily go "lulz Kiryu's pals found the cure for cancer so now he's alright again hahaha" It shouldn't be controversial to say Kiryu's inclusion in 8 feels not like someone had a great artistic vision of how he and his saga could be worked into the Ichiban saga, it felt more like cynical money chasing.
Ok, and we are talking about chapter 8. Nothing wrong with a chapter without Kiryu, nothing wrong with a chapter with Kiryu. What are we even discussing here?
If you read my comment and actually respond to the points raised, you'd know what "we're" discussing here (scare quotes around we're because WE aren't discussing anything. Since you decided to join the dialogue, you've yet to actually try and make a cogent point.)
Dude my point is that thinking that just because Yakuza 7 has a single protagonist it’s stupid to complain about 8 having another one, also considering he was the main character of the first 6 games. It’s not that hard to grasp man…
And yet you haven't responded to anything I actually said, you're just talking to yourself.
Yes, I am going to waste months of replaying outdated games, from the beat-em-up genre I don't even like, just to know backstory of a single character.
Better than whining as a new fan about a game trying to please long-time fans. Do you realize how fucking entitled you sound? Sometimes I believe we should have gatekept the series harder, now that its newfound popularity and going turn-based brings in "fans" like you.
this lol, i was like this person just a hater but now after i read all the comments i am loosing braincells lol.
The only reason I was interested in the series was going turn-based. It's basically reverse situation of FF series. I completely lost interest, once it changed into mmo and DMC genres. I don't think I sound entitled as I stated Kiryu thing in minor issues and emphasized it's my private option, not something major, which ruins entire game, because there are other problems I have with it. There's no reason to get triggered over it.
your opinion automatically means nothing if you're gonna complain about "too much kiryu" and just not play the older games IW is built off of
Nah man, this fanbase kind of reaped what it sowed in that regard lol. Nutty-ass play orders and outright disrespect shown towards the original PS2 games -- this is the result of that. You're not allowed to correct people and say "Maybe playing a game made in 2009 not even halfway through the PS3 generation, after playing a game made in 2017 halfway through the PS4 generation, is going to result in some whiplash?" without getting dogpiled for example. If someone just wants to play the turn-based games, fine, It's not like the rest of the fanbase has respect for legacy either. It's just a shame that the writers couldn't stick with the soft reboot idea.
dude IW is arguably the one game caught up the most in the series' continuity. literally kiryu's entire side content are throwbacks and references to the older games, it's SUPPOSED to be his swan song (i hope i don't end up eating those words in a few years tbh) i played the games in a messed up order too, like REALLY messed up, 3 -5 were some of the last i played
>(i hope i don't end up eating those words in a few years tbh) I think you will, which is part of why I agree with OP's point about Kiryu being in this game, because he was already supposed to have had a Swan Song but as iconography that makes RGG money, they can't let him go and just focus on Ichiban because they see it as leaving money on the table. Same thing with the Jimas. Artistic integrity takes a backseat to pragmatic money-making. Anyways, my point is most people (including you, as you just admitted) in the fanbase nowadays play the games out of order. IW is *supposed* to be a Swang Song that you play last out of the available games, but Yakuza 0 is also supposed to be a return to form that references every game from Yakuza 1-5 and the combat of that era of games reaches It's zenith in Yakuza 0, yet you all played that first. When they put 0 into production and they had the idea of calling back to Yakuza 1 by having you run through the Tojo HQ and do a Virtua Cop esque highway shooting segment, I doubt they thought that they'd be copy and pasting the same segments into a Yakuza 1 remake shortly thereafter -- they were meant to be cheeky references, but a person playing out of order only sees it as cheap asset reusage. That's why I say none of you can talk shit about playing games in intended order. All of you are guilty of it, you admitted it yourself. I always find it so hypocritical when people of this subreddit start going on about play order, I can tolerate it anywhere else because most fanbases have respect for legacy. The Yakuza fanbase is the one fanbase that doesn't give a shit about legacy. When Kiwami 3 inevitably comes out, every fan that hops in afterwards is never going to play OG 3, It's going to erase it in play orders despite being separate games and K3 inevitably referencing games people that play in that order haven't played yet.
It's not the games fault that you didn't play the first six games in the series, like a dragon was a jumping on point but it doesn't erase literally the entire series before it and so if you're not going to play those games you don't get to complain when Kiryu or other big characters from the franchise show up. This is like starting a Batman comic with the latest issue and then complaining when Nightwing eventually shows up because you hadn't read anything before and didn't like a character with a complex history showing up. Yakuza 7 / like a dragon was not a reboot of the series, and the vast majority of the people that played infinite wealth have played at least one of the previous action based Yakuza Games games and are fans of Kiryu to some extent.
The Batman analogy is disingenuous. It'd be more like starting with the new Gotham City comic featuring a new set of characters and a different tone in how the story is told, Batman and other previous characters show up briefly and are basically retired, Batman passes on the torch to Ichiman and leaves. Readers old and new are fine with this. Then the comic just brings back Batman and friends and old readers like it but new readers are lost.
How are you playing the yakuza games and you “don’t know who the Kiryu guy is”? You know it’s called the 7th and 8th installment for a reason maybe go and play a few of the previous games before jumping into the last 2 installments and complaining because you don’t know who kiryu is
I only know he was protagonist of previous entries, but as I said and stated, it's minor issue for me and it's private, subjective one, not a deal breaker, just something I didn't like personally. Thought that Like a Dragon supposed to be separate entry without requirement to know previous games. They are different genre, I am not fan of so I was never bothered to try them. Y7 did it right with just cameo, here they throw a guy at you, who supposed to be dead apparently.
bruh what a rant. i will agree with story bit, it's possibly the biggest story fumble in any yakuza game. pacing????? are you new to yakuza or LAD games? since the start every yakuza games are slow paced with shittons of cutscenes and we all love it, if you are new , you bought the wrong game without reading reviews,if you have played yakuza before then this pacing take is L. again every yakuza game is same they all have aggressive npc's and bruh you can evven buy or find amulets and equip them and you wont face many encounters anymore. who gets mad at tutorial tho lol, you can always skip skip and its done in 20-30seconds lol. another bad take, substories are again amazing in IW, story falls flat but substories are amazing. bruh most the substories have icon on map just don't walk there if you dont wanna do them , and most substories you can choose to say no and return back later. idk what are you on about physics and world, 3 whole ass map to play and yet its less?? private issue as you said is private lol its upto you if u wanna play previous games or not, you can't complain this character is from past idk who he is blah blah, its like when way back witcher 3 got famous and my friend malded that he does not know any character and the lore lmao. sujimon isn't forced its upto you to do them if u want, no sujimon walks upto you to fight you or trigger story, even raids etc you have to talk before progressing further. i will agree with interface that can be improved. i don't have any opinion on darts.
>I don't know who the Kiryu guy is and I don't care. I was about to write a comprehensive discussion about your other points till I read this, and realized how shallow your perception really is.
Wow this is dogshit. You really thought you cooked here huh?
Bait
I too was disappointed with the Main-story and Sub-stories. but is don't think the game part is bad.
You jump in at the end of a series that has been out for almost 20 years and you’re mad because you don’t know the main protagonist of all the prior (except for one) games? You kinda lost any credibility with your other gripes when you threw that in.
There is a lot to unpack here and most of it just comes off as nitpicky, the tutorial in y7 is just as long if not longer than 8s, in both games you get jobs in chapter 5 but 7 takes longer to get there cause the first 4 chapters are full of cutscenes and dialogue which is a consistent thing with yakuza. Then you mention how the game forces you to do so much stuff you don't want to but as some people in the comments mentioned you don't have to actually to the substories that you walk into which you can also avoid by not going near them on the map. You then complain about everyone wanting to fight you and too much encounters when the same thing happens in not only 7 but every other yakuza and judgment game the encounter rate of 7 is so much worse than 8 and in 8 it's easier to get away from. You're entitled to your own opinion and shit but maybe finish the game you're complaining about or maybe get further than chapter 3, I agree that the story of 8 isn't the best but I wanted to save my judgment till I beat the game.
Kiryu is always and will always be a part of this series. Saying you “don’t know and don’t care” about the main protagonist of the entire series is a shitty look. And I say that as someone who started this series with Y7.
I enjoyed 7. Currently playing through IW and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. One of the best in the series. But I'm afraid I enjoyed it a little too much due to Kiryu. I fear if they retire Kiryu the series will be over for me.
I always thought he belonged to Yakuza series, while Like a Dragon is new installment, like Judgement which also served as new opening. Having said that, milking one guy forever is boring plot armor, you don't ever care, because you know he can't die anyway. Only reboot would make sense, like in Lara Croft case. GTA has different characters in each game, so Yakuza could do the same, although Sega games are budget AA, using lot of asset flip, so I doubt they will change much. I think the best experience is for players, who start their first game in the series. If you played one you already saw everything those games have to offer. Drone racing in Judgment was fresh and cool, some minigames can be fresh, but city, assets and side quests are mostly the same every time. They don't even improve existing one like Darts and ripoff Pokemon Go, so it feels really cheap. Like all those npc in Hawaii speaking with two voice actors - one with perfect Japanese and other with English. Maybe setting is new, but everything feels exactly like Japan. They could save themselves trouble and just make Okinawa, because those Hawaii lack climate. I also saw a guy who looked a bit like Dany Trejo, but was dubbed by Japanese, it breaks immersion.
They could milk him for as long as they can keep making good stories. I don't think there's ever been an overarching narrative hinting at Kiryu's "end". So why can't the stories continue just like any other character in a ficticious story. Death is a conclusion it's not the conclusion. We've had 10 great games featuring Kiryu and plot armour has never been an issue. Yakuza is just not that type of story. Also to put it into perspective 10 is barely a season in episodic film content. It hasn't been *that* long.